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OF THE WEEK. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD, MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY. IT'S OUR REGULAR MEETING OF NOVEMBER 9TH, 2026. AND LOOK AT THAT. IT IS 7 P.M. UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT AND P.L. 2025 C 72. NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND ON THE MUNICIPAL WEBSITE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. YES. HERE. HERE.
YES. BLODGETT. CAN. ROBERTS. SCHULDINER. TAYLOR. TODD. HERE. LOFFLER. HERE. SHARMA. HERE.
CASEY. HERE. DARJEE. PRESENT. A COUPLE MORE. COUPLE MORE. AND OUR CLERK AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE, NICK LIST. LACEY, MASSIF AND LACEY. OKAY, NOW WE GOT EVERYBODY. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS AND OR Q&A TO FIVE MINUTES. AND WHEN PROVIDING FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR FOR AN APPLICATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD IF YOU PREFER. NOT IF YOU PREFER NOT TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE ADVISE WHICH MUNICIPALITY YOU LIVE IN. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
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ITEMS? NOT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, OUR NEXT ITEM IS AN APPLICATION. IT'S PB DASH 09-26. THE APPLICANT IS PROMENADE PHASE TWO MAJOR SUBDIVISION. IT'S BLOCK 5023, LOT 2.01. IT'S FOR A FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN. THE EXPIRATION DATE IS NINE 2026. IS THAT RIGHT? WHAT IS THE EXPIRATION? THE 920. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. I DON'T HAVE IT HERE, BUT THAT WAS THE WE WILL CORRECT APPLICATION. OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL CORRECT THE EXPIRATION DATE FOR THE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT.FOR THE APPLICANT WE HAVE. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. ERIC GOLDSTEIN. ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I THINK I'VE SEEN SOME OF YOU HERE BEFORE, SO HOPE ALL IS WELL. BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO THANK DARA FOR WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH US ON THIS ONE. WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, AND WE HAD ALSO PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER PHASES OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE MONTGOMERY PROMENADE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISION. BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS, OF COURSE, AND IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY BECAUSE IT'S GETTING BUILT, I THINK, VERY WELL. I WAS OVER THERE EARLIER AND COMING ALONG NICELY, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING RIGHT BY THE TOWN AS WELL. BEFORE GETTING STARTED, I ALSO WANTED TO THANK YOUR PROFESSIONALS. I HAVE REVIEWED THEIR ENGINEERING AND PLANNING REPORTS. WE CONCUR WITH ALL OF THE REPORTS IN THEIR ENTIRETY. DO HAVE TO PUT A CASE ON TONIGHT FOR THE SUBDIVISION. SO WE WILL. YEAH.
WITH ME TONIGHT JOEL HAS I'M GOING TO SAY YOUR NAME INCORRECTLY, BUT HOLZAPFEL IS THAT CLOSE. GOOD. FROM BOLAR ENGINEERING. WE'LL BE PUTTING OUR PROOFS ON. AND AGAIN AGREEING WITH THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING REPORTS, IT IS A MAJOR, MAJOR SUBDIVISION TAKING ONE LOT, CUTTING IT INTO TWO. PURPOSE OF THAT, JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE, IS IT'S REALLY DRIVEN BY THE FINANCING ON THE PROJECT THAT PHASES BEING FINANCED BY DIFFERENT LENDERS WANT DIFFERENT THINGS INTO THEIR COLLATERAL. AND THIS IS JUST AN EASIER WAY TO CHOP THE ONE PROPERTY AND BASICALLY IN TWO TO GIVE THE COLLATERAL A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WAY TO BE SET UP. SO HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK JOE TO PUT HIS PRETTY PICTURES UP. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE OUR PLANS THAT I THINK. I THINK WHAT WE KNOW, SIR, WE JUST NEED YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL GET YOU IN. OF COURSE. SURE. JOE HOLDS UP FULL LAST NAME, HOLZAPFEL. I'M WITH BOLAR ENGINEERING, 125 HALF MILE ROAD IN RED BANK, NEW JERSEY, 07701. ALL RIGHT, MISTER SIR WILL SWEAR YOU IN. ALONG WITH OUR PROFESSIONALS TONIGHT. OUR ENGINEER AND OUR PLANNER. GENTLEMEN, DO YOU ALL SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY? THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL, I DO, I DO, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO JUST FOR THE RECORDS
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THAT WE CAN QUALIFY YOU AS AN EXPERT IN YOUR FIELD, WOULD YOU JUST GIVE THE BOARD YOUR QUALIFICATIONS AND WHERE YOU WORK AND WHAT YOU DO? SURE. SO AS I STATED, I'VE BEEN WITH BOLAR ENGINEERING FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS NOW. I AM THE BRANCH MANAGER AND ASSOCIATE OF THAT OFFICE. I GRADUATED FROM NEW JERSEY TO TECHNOLOGY, AND I AM CURRENTLY AN ACTIVE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE. SO CHAIRMAN CASEY, I'D ASK THAT HE BE RECOGNIZED AND GIVE TESTIMONY AS A PROFESSIONAL. AND THE BOARD ACCEPTS HIS CREDENTIALS. YES.OKAY. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, THOUGH, TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE MY APOLOGIES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE THOUSANDS AT HOME WATCHING. WE HOPE THEY CAN ALL COME TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. ALL RIGHT, JIM, YOU'VE GOT THE NICE PICTURES THERE. AND WE'VE DISCUSSED, OF COURSE, LAST WEEK THE REPORTS THAT WE RECEIVED AND JUST WANT YOU TO WALK THROUGH WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO, DISCUSS THE SITE IN GENERAL. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IF YOU I HAVE THE LAPTOP SET UP SO YOU CAN PROJECT THE THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WANT. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE. SO THIS IS THE ONE I DON'T HAVE ON ELECTRONIC. OKAY.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE THING THAT YOU ALL HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK SO WE CAN ALL JUST FOLLOW ALONG. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. I WANT THIS TO BE MARKED AS AN EXHIBIT THAT WOULD BE APPLICANT ONE PLEASE MISS. AND IF WE COULD JUST IDENTIFY. ABSOLUTELY. SO I'LL START I'LL START WITH THIS EXHIBIT. THIS IS AN AERIAL EXHIBIT. IT'S SHEET NUMBER C ZERO ONE. FOR REFERENCE THIS TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE. THE DATE OF THE EXHIBIT IS TUESDAY NOVEMBER 9TH OF 26. AND THIS EXHIBIT WAS PREPARED BY US. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS IS, YOU KNOW, SOME AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION ON PORTIONS OF THE SITE ARE COMPLETED, INCLUDING WHOLE FOODS. AND WHAT THIS EXHIBIT IS REALLY TRYING TO SHOW IS IN BLACK PURPOSELY. SO JUST REALLY OUTLINING THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS STILL THREE PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SOUTHERN MOST LOT. OVERALL, IT WAS ONE LARGE LOT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE NEW LINE KIND OF TRAVERSING IN AND OUT FOR A REASON. THERE ARE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE PHASE TWO OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, WE ARE LOOKING TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN PHASE ONE ARE COMPLETED OR ARE BEING COMPLETED AS WE SPEAK, AS IS WELL KNOWN, AND A LOT OF WHAT PHASE TWO HAD THOSE THOSE TRAILS AND THERE ARE THERE IS DEVELOPMENT OF PHASE TWO. BUT JUST TO SEPARATE THE TWO A LITTLE MORE, THEY ARE LOOKING TO THE. THEY ARE LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE THAT. SO THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE IS APPROXIMATELY 2728 ACRES. YOUR LEFT SIDE OR YOUR WEST SIDE WOULD BE ABOUT NINE, A LITTLE OVER NINE ACRES. AND THE EASTERNMOST MOST SIDE WOULD BE ABOUT THAT REMAINDER 18 ACRES. IF IT'S AT ALL EASIER TO SEE. WE DID ALSO SUPERIMPOSE THIS ON TO OUR OVERALL SITE PLAN, JUST FOR BETTER RECORD. THIS IS NEEDED FOR ATYPICAL. OKAY, AGAIN, YOU TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE. THIS IS. I'D LOVE TO. COME ON AND TAKE A LOOK. AGAIN BROUGHT THIS TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE. THIS ISN'T OUR OVERALL SITE PLAN. SET THAT THE BOARD AND THE PRESIDENT HAS SEEN IN SOME FORM OR FASHION OVER THE YEARS. IT HAS FELT OVERALL SITE PLAN PHASE TWO, WHICH WOULD SEE 103 OF OUR SEVEN. THE EXHIBIT IS DATED TODAY. HOWEVER, NOVEMBER 26TH. AND AGAIN, THIS WAS PREPARED BY MY OFFICE. SO THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS IS AGAIN, THERE'S REALLY HOMES IN ON THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN PHASE ONE VERSUS PHASE TWO. AGAIN, PHASE ONE IS YOUR BUILDINGS 130, 100, 500, 600, 700, 900, 1000, 1100, 1200, 1300. YOUR PHASE TWO WOULD BE THE SUBSEQUENT BUILDING IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, AS HAS BEEN ILLUSTRATED ON THE PLANS. AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE SUBDIVISION, THE WAY THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT CODE OR OF THE. THE PLANNING SHOPPING COMPLEX, A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE EXTERNAL BOUNDARIES. SO THIS SUBDIVISION, IN FACT DOES NOT CREATE ANY VARIANCES AS THOSE ARE YOUR PROFESSIONAL LETTERS. AND AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING TO SEPARATE THE TWO PHASES A LITTLE MORE IMPORTANT. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF TESTIMONY. EACH LOT COULD STAND ON ITS OWN WITHOUT ANY RELIEF NECESSARY FROM THE BOARD OTHER THAN THE SUBDIVISION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. BOTH OF ACCESS TO PUBLIC ROADS, ONE BEING, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BOULEVARD AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. AND AS YOU SAID BEFORE IN YOUR TESTIMONY, THANK YOU THAT THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUIRED WITH THIS APPLICATION. THAT IS CORRECT. AND OVERALL, THE SITE PLAN
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DEVELOPMENT, AS IT WAS APPROVED LARGELY THE SAME. THIS THIS APPLICATION IS NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE ANY OF THE SITE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS AS THEY WERE CONTEMPLATED. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE, AS THE BOARD SHOULD BE AWARE, IN FOR SOMERSET COUNTY APPROVAL. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO GET BACK TO US AS WELL. SO OF COURSE ANY IF WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET AN APPLICATION APPROVED TONIGHT, HAS TO ALSO BE APPROVED BY SOMERSET. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PLANS WILL GET SIGNED AND THEN RECORDED IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND FOR THE BOARD BENEFIT, A COUPLE OF THE PROFESSIONALS DID MAKE MENTION OF OTHER BUILDINGS THAT MIGHT BE INCURRED APPLICATIONS AS WELL. THOSE WOULD BE SEPARATED FOR BUILDING 300 I BELIEVE, WITH REFERENCE. SO THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE APPLICATION VISUAL, PUBLIC AND CD AGAIN PROBABLY FOR YOU. MR. HE DID THIS. THANK YOU. SO WE'VE GOT A1 AND A2. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS APPLICATION SHORTER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT IT'S A BY RIGHT SUBDIVISION. THE ONLY QUESTION WAS WHETHER WE WERE CLASSIFYING IT AS A MINOR OR MAJOR. IT'S BEEN CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR. YEAH WE DO AGREE. AND AGAIN CONSENT TO THE REPORTS PREPARED BY YOUR PROFESSIONALS. STILL WAITING ON SOMERSET COUNTY. I KNOW THEY'VE REVIEWED IT BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR A COPY OF JOE'S PLAN LAST WEEK ELECTRONICALLY, AND THEY ASKED FOR A COPY OF OUR OFFICE'S PLAN ELECTRONICALLY THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. SO MAYBE WE'LL GET SOMETHING BACK FROM THEM AT SOME POINT. BUT FOR NOW, WE WOULD REST SUBJECT TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS AS COME UP. ACTUALLY, I'M REALLY NOT MUCH MORE TO IT. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I NOTICED IN, I THINK IT WAS LAURA'S MEMO ABOUT THE MONUMENT. YEAH. SO I'LL GIVE A REQUEST. I WILL WE CAN WORK WITH THE PROFESSIONAL WITH LAURA. THERE ARE A FEW OPTIONS, RIGHT. I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. REALLY NO ISSUE WITH MOVING THE LINE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, EAST OR WEST TO GET IT OUT OF THE DRYWALL. SO THERE'S THAT OPTION. YOU CAN SET THE MONUMENT IN SOME SORT OF METAL JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AND SUPPORT. YOU WOULD HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN OFFSET, MEANING THAT THE MONUMENT LOCATION IS WHERE IT IS, BUT THE MONUMENT ITSELF WILL BE OFFSET AND INSCRIBED ON THE MONUMENT. SO THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE BOARD ON. WHAT'S THE BEST APPROACH? YEAH, IT'S EASIER TO DO SO JUST TO CONFIRM THOUGH, MISS WASLEWSKI SAYING REDRAW OR RELOCATE THE PROPOSED LOT LINE LOCATION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH ON? BECAUSE ISN'T THAT GOING TO CHANGE THE SUBDIVISION PLAN. CORRECT. SO WE WOULD, IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE AND TO CHANGE THE PHYSICAL ABOUT THE BLUE LINE.AND IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING MY LASER POINTER, IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT. IF WE WERE LOOKING TO MOVE THAT LINE EITHER EAST OR WEST, WE COULD DO THAT. AND WE DO UPDATE THE SUPPLEMENT PLAN AND IT WOULD GO TO THE PROPER RECORDINGS. AFTER THAT TIME, WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A ODD PLACE TO PUT IT RIGHT IN EITHER THE EAST OR WEST. YOU HAVE TO COME BACK, I KNOW, BUT THEN I MEAN, YOU'RE THEN YOU'RE CREATING A NEW SUBDIVISION PLAN. SO WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO TRY AND RESOLVE TONIGHT WHERE YOU'RE HOW? WELL, IT WOULD BE UP TO KAREN. IT'LL BE UP TO THE ENGINEERS TO DECIDE, I GUESS, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT EAST OR WEST OR DO THE OFFSET. AND IT WOULD BE WE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE. WHATEVER THE BOARD WOULD PREFER IS, IS FINE. WELL, MAYBE THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR ENGINEER TO SAY IF JUST ABOUT IF NICK OR RAKESH HAVE THOUGHTS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CAN I ASK A QUESTION THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD SORT OF WHEN IN PREPARING OUR MEMO, WE'D SORT OF DEBATED BACK AND FORTH WHETHER THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I SORT OF DECIDED, AT LEAST AMONGST ON IN MY REVIEW, THAT I WASN'T OVERLY CONCERNED WITH THE MONUMENT BEING THERE. THERE ARE WAYS LIKE, LIKE, I'M JUST GOING TO CALL YOU JOE INSTEAD OF MR. HOUSE OF HOUSE OF HOLZAPPEL LIKE JOE JUST MENTIONED, THE THERE ARE NUMEROUS WAYS OF, OF, OF, OF, OF DOING THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DEMARCATE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLACE THE MONUMENT THERE IN A MONUMENT BOX, WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE A, A METAL ENCASEMENT, ALMOST LIKE A, LIKE A MANHOLE, RIGHT, RIGHT. WHERE YOU CAN PLACE IT, PUT THE, PUT THE MONUMENT BOX THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE MADE FOR. FOR THESE KIND OF SITUATIONS. YOU CAN ALSO DO AN OFFSET ALL THAT. SO I THINK THE LINE COULD VERY EASILY BE STRUCK THERE WITH, WITH A MONUMENT BOX BEING PLACED. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE LINE BEING THERE. I KNOW THAT LAUREN HAD RECOMMENDED RELOCATING THE LINE. I DON'T REALLY SEE A REASON TO RELOCATE THE LINE, BUT MY QUESTION IS WHEN THE LINE WAS STRUCK, THERE IS IS THERE A REASON FOR IT? AND USUALLY WITH THESE FINANCIAL SUBDIVISIONS, I, I GIVE A LOT OF DEFERENCE TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO DRAW A LINE LIKE THIS UNLESS THEY HAVE TO. RIGHT. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE STRUCK WHERE IT
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STRUCK? I MEAN, IN GENERAL, THE LINE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE MEANDERS THROUGH AND THAT'S JUST BASED ON WHAT THE BUILDING. BUT FOR A LOT OF IT IS THROUGH THE CENTER BECAUSE WE JUST SHOW IT THROUGH THE CENTER. SO THERE'S KIND OF IN BETWEEN. IT'S A DIVIDING LINE BASICALLY. EXACTLY. SO YOU'D HAVE YOUR LITTLE CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SYMMETRICAL. YEAH. BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT WE COULD MOVE IT 15FT TO THE WEST, INCLUDING ONE, AND DO THAT. NO PROBLEM. BUT IN EITHER CASE, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, WITH THE BOARD ACTING TONIGHT BECAUSE THE AT THE OUR REVISIONS THAT THE PLAN HAS TO GO THROUGH TO SATISFY OUR MEMO WITH CLERK KATE HENSON MEMO AND OF COURSE LAUREN'S COMMENTS AS WELL. SO I WOULDN'T HAVE AN OBJECTION IF, IF THE IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO SLIDE THAT LINE, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LINE BEING WHERE IT IS AND THE MONUMENT BEING PLACED IN THE MONUMENT BOX, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, UP TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO SLIDE THE LINE. EITHER WAY, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BOARD ACTING TONIGHT WITH WHETHER IT'S THE LINE BEING WHERE IT IS, OR IF THE APPLICANT AGREES TO SLIDE THE LINE 15FT TO THE WEST OR EAST, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK OUT AS PART OF THE REVISED PLAN AS WELL. OKAY, NICK. ANY COMMENTS? NO, I MEAN.ESSENTIALLY TAKING THE SAME POSITION. YEAH. OKAY. FULL AGREEMENT. BEFORE WE GET TO THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, LET'S OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC? NO. YOU CAN COME UP AND MAKE A COMMENT IF YOU LIKE. I'LL MAKE A. YOU'RE HERE. YOU MAY AS WELL. NO PRESSURE. OKAY. WE DO, WE DO. WE DO NEED YOUR NAME. YES. MY NAME IS PETRA.
NANNY. MA'AM, ARE YOU A RESIDENT OF MONTGOMERY? YES, I AM ALL RIGHT. AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN. JUST IN CASE YOU OFFER ANY TESTIMONY. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY, YEAH. I WAS I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED CITIZEN IN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PLANNING. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED UP TO THIS POINT. BUT I APPRECIATE THE INTENTION TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT MORE WALKABLE AND MORE MIXED USE. I THINK THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT. I SUPPOSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN WAY PAST CONSTRUCT THAT THE PARKING LOT DOESN'T REALLY FEEL ANY MORE LIKE WALKABLE OR DEVIATION FROM.
IT'S NOT LIKE A DEVIATION FROM WHAT I'M USED TO IN TERMS OF THE TYPICAL STRIP MALL CONSTRUCTION AROUND HERE. I WAS A BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU COULD HAVE ORIENTED IT THE OTHER WAY WHERE CLOSER TO THE ROAD WAS THE THE STORE AND THEN THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT THE DISCUSSION UP FOR DEBATE TODAY, BUT I'M HOPING THAT IF THERE ARE ANY MORE SIMILAR DECISIONS TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAKING NEW DEVELOPMENTS WALKABLE, TO REALLY PRIORITIZE PEOPLE FIRST AND NOT JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL, CARS ARE THE DEFAULT. THIS IS WHAT IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE FOR CARS. NOW, WHERE DO WE PUT THE PATHS FOR PEOPLE? MAYBE CONSIDER WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE PEOPLE FIRST.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS TOWNSHIP HAS MANDATORY PARKING MINIMUMS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE OBSTACLES TO MAKING THESE DEVELOPMENTS AS FRIENDLY AS WE WANT. SO I WOULD ASK BOTH THE BOARD AND THE ENGINEERS TO CONSIDER IF, IF MANDATORY PARKING MINIMUMS ARE A PROBLEM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REASSESSED, BUT I'M NOT OBJECTING TO ANY OF THE PROPOSALS HERE TODAY. THAT'S JUST MY GENERAL PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOU GUYS WILL BE BACK FOR THE NEW BUILDINGS COMING IN, ETC. THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS AS WELL. SO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO. SURE. OF COURSE THE PUBLIC'S OUT. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. SECOND, ANYONE ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE METAL BOX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. WELL, IT'S IT'S A DRIVE AISLE OR A DRIVEWAY IN THEIR IN THEIR INTERNAL TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. YES. YOU SEE WHERE THE, WHERE THE PINK LINE AND BLUE LINE INTERSECT. WHERE THAT WHERE, WHERE THAT RIGHT. SO IT WON'T BE, IT WOULD BE WE'RE TALKING
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ABOUT LIKE AN INTERNAL DRIVEWAY, LIKE WHEN YOU DRIVE OUT OF THIS. GOT IT. AND THEN I, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT HAVING TO CREATE AN ENTIRELY NEW PLAN, BUT I THINK THAT WAS RESOLVED BASED ON OUR. YEAH. AND I THINK GO AHEAD. WHAT MISS CASEY WAS REFERRING TO IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A NEW SUBDIVISION. BUT TO ME, IF IF IF THE APPLICANT AGAIN, THEY HAVE TWO CHOICES. KEEP THE LINE WHERE IT IS AND PLACE THE, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL MONUMENTS, THE CONCRETE MARKERS THAT YOU SEE ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY SET THAT CONCRETE MARKER. IT WOULD BE RECESSED IN THE GROUND. AND THEN THERE'S A METAL, WE SAY METAL BOX, BUT IT'S LIKE A ALMOST LIKE WHEN YOU SEE A WATER VALVES IN THE STREET. YEP.OR LITTLE MANHOLE. THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE LIKE A LITTLE TINY MANHOLE THAT SITS THERE, AND IT WOULD BE MARKED SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S A PROPERTY CORNER. AND YOU CAN THEN IF A SURVEYOR OR SOMEONE WANTED TO ACTUALLY LOCATE THAT, THEY COULD OPEN UP THAT METAL BOX AND THE MONUMENTS RIGHT THERE FOR THEM TO LOCATE. IT'S A VERY COMMON THING, BUT IT DOESN'T STICK. IT DOESN'T STICK UP. NO, NO, IT'S FLUSH. IT'S FLUSH JUST LIKE A OKAY, JUST LIKE A MANHOLE IN THE STREET IS FLUSH OR WATER VALVES ARE FLUSH. YEAH. BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WHEN IT SAID MONUMENT. AND I'M THINKING LIKE A LITTLE CEMENT MONUMENT. AND IT WAS VERY, VERY MUCH AS A CEMENT MONUMENT. YEAH. AND, AND IN A LOT OF CASES, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE SURVEYORS SET THE CEMENT MONUMENT RIGHT THERE, AND THEN THEY PAVE RIGHT TO THE ELEVATION, THE MONUMENT. SO YOU ACTUALLY WILL WALK OUT THERE AND YOU'LL SEE A CONCRETE THAT JUST THE TOP CONCRETE SQUARE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE PAVER IN THE GROUND IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM EITHER WAY. BUT BUT IF IF THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT, PUTTING A LITTLE MONUMENT BOX WOULD HANDLE IT. AND IF THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO SLIDE THE THE LOT LINE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT MISS MISS CASEY SAYING. THAT DOES CREATE A A NEW LOT DESCRIPTION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING ANYWAY WITH SOME REVISIONS TO THE PLAN. SO I, I WOULDN'T HAVE A, I THINK THE, THE IDEA, THOUGH, THE QUESTION THAT THE MISS CASEY HAD IS, DO YOU NEED TO DECIDE NOW WHETHER YOU'RE SLIDING THE LINE OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING A MONUMENT BOX? RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE SAYING BASICALLY, OR, OR IF THE BOARD WANTS TO DECIDE IT. YEAH. IF THE BOARD WANTS TO DECIDE FOR THEM TOO. YEAH. IT'S A QUESTION OF WHO WILL DECIDE THAT IF THE BOARD SAYS DO IT EITHER WAY. YEAH. WHO WILL MAKE THAT CALL THEN? SO I THOUGHT IF THE BOARD HAS A PREFERENCE THEN.
I HAVE A WE COULD LEAVE IT FOR CASH IS OKAY WITH IT. AND THE BOARD'S OKAY. WE COULD DO THE MONUMENT IN THE MIDDLE AND JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS. AND THAT WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE AS WELL.
IT'S REALLY WE'RE NOT LOSING MUCH BY SUCH A LARGE LOT, BOTH OF THEM, THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, A FEW FEET WOULDN'T MATTER. BUT IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT JUST LIKE IT IS AND KEEP CONSISTENCY, THEN THAT'S FINE AS WELL. IS THERE ANY HARDSHIP? EITHER WAY, IT'S AGAIN AS. MARK, IS THERE ANYTHING HERE WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT OF THAT WITH ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE. SO IT'S MORE OF A MAKE A COMMENT COMMENT ON NORMAL MAINTENANCE. RIGHT. OKAY.
THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT TO TOMORROW IF THEY WANT. OKAY. OKAY. WE JUST REALLY SET THIS UP. BUT IF YOU NEED A DECISION TONIGHT, I CAN MAKE A DECISION. I JUST WANT TO GO TO MARKET. I JUST SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL OPINION WOULD BE JUST MOVE THE LINE SO WE NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AND WORRY ABOUT CARS DRIVING OVER IT OR I MEAN, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT OF THAT? I THINK THAT'S FAIR. SO WE CAN STAY HERE. WE'LL LIKELY MOVE THE LINE ABOUT 15FT TO THE WEST HERE I WOULD GUESS, TO THE WEST. AND THEN WE WOULD SUPPLEMENT. RIGHT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FILL IN THE WAY THAT I'D RATHER GET IT DONE TONIGHT.
YEAH. SO WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN UPDATE THE SUBDIVISION PLAN. SO IT'S CORRECT. AND THEN AS PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN, WE HAVE TO FINALIZE ANY, YOU KNOW, RECORDING OF THE COUNTY. AND WE'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT THE PLANS FOR BOARD SIGNATURE REGARDLESS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER CRACK AT THIS WHEN IT'S DONE. YEAH, SURE. THAT'S FINE. ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. YES I AGREE AGREE. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT 15FT TO THE WEST. GOOD. YEAH THAT WAS MY QUESTION REGARDING THAT 15FT MOVING. I DIDN'T GET THAT PROPERLY. SO NO IT IS ANSWERED ABOUT 24. SO IT'S 12 ABOUT 15FT TO THE WEST. THAT SHOULD DO. IT SHOULD DO. THE TECHNICAL QUESTION IS YOU SAID THIS. WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING HERE IS NOT ELECTRONICALLY. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS ELECTRONICALLY YOU FILE. YOU HAVE SENT. IS THERE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THIS ONE VERSUS THE ELECTRONICALLY YOU HAVE SENT EARLIER VERSUS WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING NOW? NO, ORIGINALLY THE THE PREVIOUS ONE DIDN'T HAVE IT ELECTRONICALLY. THE FIRST EXHIBIT YOU SAID IT WAS SLIGHTLY, WHICH WAS JUST THE AREA OF THE BOARD HAS. YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR COMMENT IN THE
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BEGINNING. YOU SAID WHEN WE ASKED YOU THAT ELECTRONICALLY AVAILABLE. SO WE CAN SEE IT HERE. YOU SAID IT'S DIFFERENT. SO THAT IS WHY MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. CORRECT. THE PLAN ITSELF IS DIFFERENT. ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S APPLICATION IS THIS BLUE LINE HERE, THE BLUE LINE THAT'S ON THIS PLAN. AND YOU HAVE OUR EXACTLY THE SAME PAGE. I JUST WANTED TO THAT'S THE PLAN. SO IT DOESN'T SHOW A LOT OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW IT ON THE AREA SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS CONSTRUCTED AND NOT CONSTRUCTED IN PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO. AND THIS IS OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN. SO AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE LINE AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPOSAL FOR THE FULL BUILD OUT. AND SO THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME. IT'S NOT DIFFERENT. OKAY. THIS IS JUST ILLUSTRATING AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THAT SUBDIVISION LINE WILL LOOK LIKE ON THE SITE PLAN AND ON THE AERIAL. THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS. THERE ARE NO THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS CURRENTLY INSIDE THAT BLUE LINE TO THE WEST OF IT. BUILDINGS THERE AT ALL. NOTHING THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH WHERE THE LINE IS GOING TO GO, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT THE LINE SPECIFICALLY, SO THAT IT WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOTS OR IN BETWEEN, LIKE THE DRIVE OFF CENTER DRIVE, SO THAT IT PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE NO CURRENT BUILDINGS HERE YET. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHERE THE PATH FOR FUTURE BUILDINGS. SO THAT PROPERTY WILL BE OWNED BY A DIFFERENT OWNER THAN THE REST OF PROMENADE. IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT LLC, SAME OWNERSHIP ENTITY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FINANCING, IT'LL BE TECHNICALLY A DIFFERENT OWNER, BUT IT WON'T BE. IT'LL BE THE SAME OWNERSHIP GROUP. SAME OWNERSHIP GROUP. YEAH. SO THAT THE CONTINUATION OF DEVELOPMENT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR THE WHOLE THING. YES. IT'S JUST A FANCY WAY TO GET MORE MONEY, I THINK. WELL, REALLY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE FINISHED. MR. GLOVER, WERE YOU WERE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR YOUR QUESTION? I WANTED TO SORT OF TAIL ON TO IT OR TAG ON OR WHATEVER YOU SAY. THE REASON THIS HAPPENED, IT'S A FINANCIAL SUBDIVISION. I HEARD YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER. WOULD IT HAPPEN AGAIN? IS IT POTENTIAL FOR IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN IF THE LOT IS BIG ENOUGH AND THEY WANT TO BORROW MONEY FROM A DIFFERENT BANK OR THE SAME BANK, AND THE BANK WANTS US AND IT'S ALL DRIVEN? OF COURSE, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY MONEY BECAUSE IT'S A SHOPPING CENTER.IF THE BANK MANDATES THAT THERE'LL BE A CERTAIN SIZE OF A LOT THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT MORE COLLATERAL COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, STARTING THE NEXT PHASE. BUT IF THE BANK SAYS WE'D LIKE TO SUBDIVIDE OFF ANOTHER PIECE, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. BUT THE BUT THE BOTTOM WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVE APPROVED. YES. THE SITE. WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THIS. IF THERE'S ANY DEVIATION. THE COUNTY'S GOT IT. OKAY. WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A PUBLIC ROAD. AND THERE ARE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT CAUSING A LOT. THAT'S NOT FOR VOTE BECAUSE THEN THAT'S RIGHT. YOU CAN'T DO THIS NOT APPROVED.
ALL RIGHT. AND SO WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T LIKE MONUMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY. IT'S GOOD TO KNOW IF WE COME BACK, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT. AND THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE THE MONUMENTS IN IN YANKEE STADIUM, I THINK IN CENTERFIELD. MR. GOLDSTEIN.
JUST ONE QUESTION. MR. DARCY HAD COMMENTED THAT THE APPLICANT INFORMATION IN THE APPLICATION IS NOT THE SAME AS THE APPLICANT OWNER ON THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLAN. THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CORRECT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AS TO WHO. THE APPLICANT NOW. SO THE APPLICANT COMING IN IS THE APPLICANT THAT WILL BE ON THE FINAL PLAN. IT'S JUST SHOWN, I THINK GENERICALLY ON THE PLANS YOU HAVE. BUT SO TTGATGASJC, MONTGOMERY PROMENADE OWNER LLC THAT'S IT. GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT THEN. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT? YEAH. SUBJECT TO THE COMMENTS BY OUR ENGINEER AND PLANNER. AND IT APPEARS THAT THE COMMENTS IN MISS VASILEVSKY'S MEMO HAVE NOW BEEN ADDRESSED. ADDRESSED? YEP. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE. DEREK. BATTLE. YES. YES YES. YES. YES. ROBERTS.
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YES. YES YES YES. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU IN GET THIS ALL S.AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE LEARNING CENTER AND THEN BUILDINGS 503 HUNDRED, WE'LL BE BEFORE YOU ON A DIFFERENT TYPE OF APPLICATION. BUT AND LET'S USE THE LAPTOP FOR THAT ONE.
THANKS. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. YEAH. OKAY. COMING OUT. THANK
[IV. MINUTES ]
YOU BOTH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS THE MINUTES TO THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? TO APPROVE? IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS ABOUT IT. SO MOVED.SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. DEREK. YES. YES. YES. YES. KELLER. YES. LOFFLER. YES. YES. THANK YOU.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE MINUTES TO THE SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026 CLOSED SESSION, WHICH WE HAVE ON A SEPARATE SHEET. AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT? DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE, DARRAH. SORRY. THIS IS FOR THE CLOSED, CLOSED SESSION. WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST AND SECOND? SO. YES. I'M SORRY. YES. YES. ROBERT. YES. YES YES YES. THANK YOU. SUBCOMMITTEE
[V. SUBCOMMITEE REPORTS ]
REPORT. DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON ON OUR SUBCOMMITTEE FOR. OH THAT ONE. YES. NOTHING FURTHER.AFTER WE HAD THE PRESENTATION WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND I JUST WANTED SOMETHING TO BE REVISED AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK. BUT I THINK LAURIE HASN'T GOT BACK TO US AFTER THAT. OKAY. WE SHOULD IT SHOULD COME IN BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE DECEMBER. SO
[VI. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
IT DOES. YES IT DOES. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SPRING POINT AT MONTGOMERY. FLAGSHIP NJ PROPCO SPOTLESS CAR WASH. AND THEN THE MASTER PLAN REEXAMINATION, FUTURE MEETINGS, PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 23RD. DARA DO WE. YES. IT'S SCHEDULED. OKAY. NOVEMBER 20TH A FEW A FEW OF US MIGHT NOT BE HERE, SO YEAH. AND THEN DECEMBER 14TH, ALSO PLANNING BOARD MEETING BOTH AT 7 P.M. AND THEN WE HAVE A SCHEDULED SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION MEETING ON DECEMBER 1ST AT 830. WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR?* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.