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HERE. I KNOW YOU KNOW PEOPLE HERE THE WHOLE MEETING. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD OF MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY. IT'S OUR REGULAR MEETING. JULY 27TH, 2026. IS OUR INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. AND THE TIME RIGHT NOW IS 703. UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT AND PL 2025 C 72. NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND ON THE MUNICIPAL WEBSITE. DEREK, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. HERE. BATTLE BLODGETT ROBERTS SING HERE. SCHULDINER HERE. TAYLOR. TODD HERE. HERE HERE. CASEY. HERE. OKAY, LET'S SALUTE THE FLAG. PLEASE JOIN ME. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS AND OR Q&A TO FIVE MINUTES. AND WHEN PROVIDING COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR FOR AN APPLICATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD. IF YOU PREFER NOT TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE ADVISE WHICH MUNICIPALITY YOU LIVE IN. DO WE HAVE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS AN APPLICATION. IT'S CASE PB DASH
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05-22. THE APPLICANT IS GTP ACQUISITIONS LLC WHICH IS THRIVE AT MONTGOMERY. IT'S BLOCK 4020, LOT ONE, WHICH IS 22 SCARBOROUGH ROAD. IT'S FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION AND PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN. AN AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION IS REQUIRED FOR THE APPLICANT. WHO DO WE HAVE? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEROME VOGEL, JENNIFER HOPKINS AND VOGEL. I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT AND. WE ARE HERE INDEED, WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ANNOUNCED AND THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP OF MONTGOMERY AND GTP ACQUISITIONS AND A RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL THAT DESIGNATED GTP ACQUISITIONS AS THE REDEVELOPER.SO WE ARE HERE BEFORE THE BOARD, CONSISTENT WITH THE AGREEMENT FOR REDEVELOPMENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP, AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, FOR PURPOSES OF THE. OF A HEARING, BE MARKED AS AN EXHIBIT AND BE PART OF THE RECORD. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE EXHIBIT A ONE. MR. VOGEL? YES. OKAY. THAT IS A SIGNED COPY OF THE RESOLUTION. THAT THAT RESOLUTION DESIGNATED THE APPLICANT AS A REDEVELOPER HAS ATTACHED TO IT A CONCEPT PLAN.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS IN STRICT ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN. THERE ARE, AS YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE TESTIMONY, SOME SMALL VARIANCES THAT ARE NECESSARY DEVIATIONS FROM THE PLAN ONLY WITH RESPECT TO SETBACK. BECAUSE OF SITE CONDITIONS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO IS THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO, OF COURSE, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE OF THE PROPOSED PLAN WAS REVIEWED. THERE WERE REPORTS ISSUED, RECEIVED BY OUR CONSULTANTS AND THE PLANS REVISED, AND THE REPORTS OF YOUR PLANNER.
ENGINEER, ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, YOUR HIGHER TRAFFIC EXPERTS WERE ALL RESPONDED TO.
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AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE NOW HAVE BEFORE YOU A PLAN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH NOT ONLY THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THE REVIEWS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN BY YOUR VARIOUS CONSULTANTS, SO THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. WHAT IS THIS? TOWNSHIP VIEW OF HOW THE PROPERTY OUGHT TO BE DEVELOPED, CONSISTENT WITH YOUR OVERALL MASTER PLAN? FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS EVENING'S HEARING, I WILL HAVE SEVERAL WITNESSES. THE FIRST WILL BE SOMEONE TO KIND OF SET THE TABLE TO TELL YOU WHO IS THE APPLICANT. WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE PROPERTY IS INTENDED TO BE OCCUPIED AND OPERATED.AND THEN OF COURSE, THE ENGINEER TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY, HOW IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, ITS CURRENT CONDITION AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AND THEN ALSO THE ARCHITECT WHO WILL TESTIFY AS TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES. BUT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR PROPOSAL FOR YOU THIS EVENING. AND UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF ME, WE'LL CALL OUR FIRST WITNESS. PLEASE PROCEED. ALL RIGHT, MAN, SHOULD WE. MAY I HAVE THE WITNESS SWORN, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY, SIR.
CAN WE HAVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? SURE. DAVID WEINER. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES, I DO NOW, MR. VOGEL, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO SWEAR IN NOW, ALL YOUR OTHER WITNESSES OR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WHO ELSE WOULD WE HAVE? STAND UP WHERE YOU ARE. YEAH. YOU WANT SWEAR IN THE OTHER WITNESSES FOR ME. OKAY.
YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN THE ONLY PEOPLE HERE ARE OUR PEOPLE, SO THAT'S OKAY. ANYONE WHO'S COMING UP OR MIGHT COME UP. GENTLEMEN, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME YOUR NAMES, PLEASE.
JOSH SEEWALD FROM DYNAMIC ENGINEERING. OKAY. AND CHRIS WOLVERTON, HQW ARCHITECTS. OKAY.
KEVIN SAVAGE WITH DYNAMIC TRAFFIC. AND I THINK THAT'S IT, GENTLEMEN. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK IT'S BETTER. I LIKE IT BETTER. MR. WEINER, STATE FOR THE BOARD. BY WHOM ARE YOU? YOU ARE EMPLOYED. AND IN WHAT CAPACITY AND WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS TO GCP ACQUISITIONS WITH REFERENCE TO THIS APPLICATION. SURE. AGAIN, MY NAME IS DAVID WEINER. I AM THE MANAGING MEMBER OF GTP ACQUISITIONS. GTP ACQUISITIONS IS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN MY COMPANY, PIKE CONSTRUCTION AND THRIVE SENIOR LIVING OUT OF ATLANTA. THIS IS THE SECOND COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED IN THE NEW JERSEY AREA. WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE IN OUR PIPELINE.
WE WORK TOGETHER AS CO-DEVELOPERS AND JOINTLY DEVELOP THE PROPERTIES, WORK TOGETHER ON THE DESIGN. MY COMPANY TAKES OVER, PERFORMS THE CONSTRUCTION, AND THE THRIVE TEAM WILL THEN OPERATE AND MANAGE THE BUILDING. SO WOULD YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD WHAT IT IS YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS SITE? SURE. SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A SENIOR COMMUNITY CONSISTING OF INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS, ASSISTED LIVING UNITS AND MEMORY CARE UNITS. INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS ARE NON-LICENSED UNITS BY THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, BUT DO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE FORM OF SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND MEALS AND HOUSEKEEPING. THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS LICENSED RIGHT NOW. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 84 INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS DESIGNED AS COTTAGES CONNECTED TO THE MAIN BUILDING BY A CENTER SPINE, SO THAT RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO WALK OUTSIDE IN INCLEMENT WEATHER. IT WILL ALSO ACT AS A SOCIAL MALL, WHERE THERE'LL BE A ABILITY FOR RESIDENTS TO GATHER WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO GO TO THE MAIN BUILDING. INSIDE THE MAIN BUILDING, WE WILL HAVE 40 UNITS THAT ARE LABELED RIGHT NOW AS FLEX TYPE UNITS, WHICH WILL BE LICENSED AS ASSISTED LIVING UNITS, BUT THEY WILL BE MARKETED AS BOTH INDEPENDENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING UNITS. AND AGAIN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT JERRY MENTIONED, WE HAVE CERTAIN GUIDELINES AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WERE ALLOWED TO DESIGNATE FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRODUCT THAT WE'RE OFFERING, AND WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES. IN ADDITION TO THOSE 40 UNITS, THERE'LL BE 43 UNITS THAT ARE PURELY ASSISTED LIVING. INCLUDED IN THOSE 43 UNITS ARE NINE SEMI-PRIVATE UNITS WITH MEDICAID ELIGIBLE BEDS. AND THEN THERE'S THE MEMORY CARE WING, WHICH WILL HAVE 29 UNITS.
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AND ONE OF THOSE UNITS WILL ALSO BE SEMI-PRIVATE MEDICAID ELIGIBLE TO SATISFY THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS. REQUIREMENTS FOR 20 MEDICAID ELIGIBLE PLANS, WHICH WILL BE DEED RESTRICTED AND WILL SATISFY OR GO TOWARDS YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREDITS. THE BUILDING WILL ALSO HAVE AMENITY SPACES FOR THE RESIDENTS. THERE'LL BE DINING FACILITIES, THEATERS, SALONS, LIBRARIES, MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID ON OUR LAST PROJECT, WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING BUILT HERE IN NEW JERSEY, IS WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE OUTDOOR SOCIAL COURTYARD THAT WILL HAVE OUTDOOR SOCIALIZATION AND PROGRAMING, ABILITY FOR DINING, FIRE PITS, EVEN ON THE MEMORY IN THE MEMORY CARE AREA, WHICH WILL BE GATED IN AREA TO PREVENT ANY TYPE OF ELOPEMENT OR WANDERING. BUT THERE'LL BE EXTENSIVE SOCIAL PROGRAMS, THEIR DINING FACILITIES, SEATING, GOLF, PUTTING GREENS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE COMMUNITY IS DESIGNED TO ENRICH AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE, AS WELL AS PROVIDE THEM WITH A SAFE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT. THE ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE PORTION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS LICENSED.WE DO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE RELATED SERVICES IN THE FORM OF ASSISTANCE WITH ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING, MEDICAID, MEDICAL MEDICINE, PRESCRIPTION MANAGEMENT. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT PROVIDE MEDICAL SERVICES. RESIDENTS WILL STILL HAVE THEIR OWN GROUP OF DOCTORS. WE WILL PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH THEY CAN REQUEST AND SIGN UP FOR TO TAKE THEM TO THEIR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS OR IF THEY WANT TO GO SHOPPING OR. BUT THAT'S BY APPOINTMENT THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THOSE RESERVATIONS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD CONSIST OF. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WEINER WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS? HE'S THERE AVAILABLE. THE GARDEN VILLAS. WHAT'S THE IS THAT RENTAL LONG TERM RENTAL PURCHASE? WHAT'S THE ALL THE UNITS IN THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE COTTAGES, THE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE, ARE RENTAL UNITS. IT'S A ONE YEAR RESIDENT AGREEMENT THAT RENEWS UNLESS THEY CANCEL OR MOVE OUT. GOTCHA. MR. WEINER, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WILL THE FACILITY PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO HOSPITALS IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY? SO WE WILL CONTRACT PRIVATELY WITH AN AMBULANCE SERVICE. THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST CALL. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THEY CAN'T RESPOND QUICKLY ENOUGH, THEN WE WILL CALL 911 AND LOOK FOR EMERGENCY. LET ME JUST ADD ALSO TO THAT, THAT IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU WILL SEE A CLAUSE WHEREBY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL REQUIRED. YES. AND WE HAD AGREED TO PROVIDE FOR THE PURCHASE OF AN AMBULANCE. SO WE'RE DEFERRING THAT COST ON BEHALF OF THE TOWNSHIP. WE WILL PAY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT. I WAS TEXTING OUR ATTORNEY TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS PART OF THE PROPOSAL. AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, BECAUSE, YES, AS YOU KNOW, MONTGOMERY HAS AN ALL VOLUNTEER EMS. SO THIS REALLY IS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BIG PICTURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. A QUESTION. WERE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE STANDING OR SITTING? I ASKED ARE YOU OKAY? YEAH. OKAY. NOT BE SIMPLE. IF YOU DON'T MIND. NO, YOU DON'T BOTHER.
SUCCESSFULLY. COULD YOU HAVE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES? IT'S ALREADY UP. YEP. MAY STATE FOR THE RECORD YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. JOSH SEEWALD FROM DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, 1904 MAIN STREET, LAKE COMO, NEW JERSEY. AND YOU'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SWORN.
YES, YES. ALRIGHT. AND I WILL ASK YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. THE ACOUSTICS ARE REALLY INTERESTING. SO WOULD YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD YOUR EDUCATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO TESTIFY? CERTAINLY. I HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE AND CIVIL ENGINEERING, AS WELL AS A MASTER'S OF SCIENCE AND CIVIL ENGINEERING. I'M LICENSED AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AS WELL AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER. I DO THIS WHAT SEEMS TO BE LIKE ON A NIGHTLY BASIS. I HAVE NOT HAD
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THE PLEASURE. GET A BEAM BEFORE YOUR PLANNING BOARD, BUT I HAVE SPENT MANY EVENINGS IN FRONT OF YOUR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. ALL RIGHT. I, I WOULD SUBMIT AS AN EXPERT ENGINEER, WOULD YOU.THANK YOU. MR. WOULD YOU STATE FOR THE RECORD OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS APPLICATION AS IT PRESENTLY EXISTS? CERTAINLY. IT'S BLOCK 4020, LOT ONE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES IN SIZE, AND THE ADDRESS IS 22 SCARBOROUGH ROAD. AND WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE PROPERTY? CERTAINLY THE EXHIBIT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ON THE BOARD.
WE CAN MARK THIS AS EXHIBIT A TWO. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP DIRECTLY OUT OF THE APPROVED THE SUBMITTED CIVIL DRAWINGS THAT WERE BEFORE YOU. THE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS UNIQUELY SHAPED TO. THE TOP OF THE EXHIBIT IS TO THE NORTH. TO THE BOTTOM OF THE EXHIBIT IS TO THE SOUTH. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE PARCEL IN A BOLD YELLOW LINE. THE DOTTED YELLOW LINE AROUND IT IS APPROXIMATELY THE 200 FOOT PROPERTY OWNERS LIST, AND THEN OVERLAID DIRECTLY FROM YOUR ZONING MAP IS THE. THE ZONE LINES COLORED IN BLUE FOR YOU. SO AS WE MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY IS VERY UNIQUELY SHAPED AND OUT THERE TODAY. IT'S PARTIALLY DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW WITH THE MEADOWS AT MONTGOMERY APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH OF US IS ROUTE 206 AND ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEYOND.
TO THE SOUTH OF US IS MORE OF THAT COUNTRY ESTATES RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. TO THE WEST IS THE CONRAIL RAILROAD LINE AND THE SB ZONE, WHICH HAS A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USES. AND THEN TO THE EAST IS MORE OF WOODS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS APPLICATION IS FOR BOTH SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION. IS IT NOT CORRECT? WE ARE IN FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION. WE'RE ALSO HERE FOR PRELIMINARY FINAL AND MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. AND WOULD YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD WHAT THE SUBDIVIDED PARCEL WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHAT ITS MEASURING WOULD BE? CERTAINLY THAT'S THE PROBABLY THE MOST SIMPLE PORTION OF THIS APPLICATION. WE'RE TAKING ONE PROPERTY THAT'S 23 ACRES IN SIZE. AND WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SPLITTING IT INTO TWO. YOU'LL SEE SHORTLY ON THE NEXT EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN OF OUR BUILDING, AND THAT'LL BE ON ITS OWN TAX BLOCK AND LOT. THE MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BEFORE YOUR BOARD.
THERE'S NO VARIANCES OR DEVIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUBDIVISION COMPONENT. AND I BELIEVE THAT IF NOT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS REQUESTED BY YOUR PROFESSIONALS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO DATE. IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL CLEANUP ITEMS ON THE PLAN, WILL TESTIFY THAT WILL HAPPILY COMPLY WITH THEM IN RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE. RIGHT. AND WOULD YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WHAT IS PROPOSED ON THAT PARCEL YOU JUST DESCRIBED? I CERTAINLY WILL, AND WE'LL PULL UP THIS NEXT EXHIBIT. I WILL CALL IT EXHIBIT A THREE. ONE MORE. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OVERLAID ONTO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN COLORED FOR PRESENTATION PURPOSES. ZOOMED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM EXHIBIT A TWO SAME ORIENTATION.
TOP OF THE PLAN IS TO THE NORTH BOTTOM OF THE PLAN IS TO THE SOUTH. THAT UNIQUE SHAPE BUILDING IN THE DARK ORANGE COLOR. THAT IS THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING. EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU SEE IN DARK GRAY THAT IS EITHER A PARKING LOT OR A DRIVEWAY. AND THEN ALL THE DIFFERENT OTHER SHADES OF GREEN ARE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF EITHER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, LANDSCAPING, OR GRASS AREAS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE VARIOUS COURTYARDS. DUE TO THE SCALING OF THIS EXHIBIT THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INTIMATE DETAIL ON THE COURTYARD AREAS, BUT THERE IS A SEPARATE PLAN SET AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION THAT SHOWS THAT INTIMATE DETAIL. SO WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR THIS EVENING? 196 UNIT INDEPENDENT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. AND THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU ON EXHIBIT A THREE. THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE CALLED THRIVE AT MONTGOMERY. THE THRIVE IS ACTUALLY THE BRAND. YOU'LL HEAR MORE FROM THE ARCHITECT ABOUT THEM. WE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IN MR. WIENER'S OPENING, THAT WE DO HAVE 120 INDEPENDENT UNITS, 47 ASSISTED IN 29 MEMORY CARE. THIS INCLUDES A 247 OPERATION. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE BUILDING AGAIN, WHICH I WON'T TALK ABOUT IN TOO MUCH DETAIL BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ARCHITECT, DID A GREAT JOB WITH SOME RENDERINGS, IS THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT, AND THE COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 190 PARKING SPACES, 110 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. AND THAT'S THE PARKING LOT THAT'S LOCATED BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND ROUTE 206. ABOUT 80 SPACES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE GARAGES AND THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE GOING ALONG WITH THE INDEPENDENT UNITS. AND OF THAT 190 TOTAL SPACES, THERE ARE ABOUT 29 EV SPACES TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE STATUTE. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU COULD SEE FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THERE IS THAT EXISTING ROADWAY THAT CURRENTLY GOES TO THE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S THERE. WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PICKING UP WHERE THAT KIND OF DEAD END. SO
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IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX RECENTLY, YOU'LL SEE AS YOU DRIVE UP FROM AN EAST TO WEST DIRECTION, THERE'S A, A, A FIRE GATE THAT'S THERE. WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT, OPEN IT UP, AND NOW BUILD A ROADWAY THAT GOES AROUND THIS ENTIRE FACILITY. IT'LL BE TWO WAY DIRECTION SO THAT YOU CAN MANEUVER THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. WE DO HAVE ONE BRAND NEW DRIVEWAY CURB CUT ON SCARBOROUGH ROAD THAT YOU CAN SEE ALSO ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PLAN. THE OVERALL PROPERTY FROM A SITE PLAN STANDPOINT IS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. TWO WAY CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT PARKING COMPLIES WITH THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE AND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER SITE ITEMS, SUCH AS A 20 BY 20 TRASH ENCLOSURE AND A GENERATOR PAD, AND OVERALL, THE THE SITE PLAN SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIES WITH THE CONCEPT AND THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A LOT OF THE BULK REQUIREMENTS.WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF DEVIATIONS THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING ABOUT THIS EVENING, BUT THE MAIN COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT BUILDING HEIGHT, BUILDING COVERAGE, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, ALL THE THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THE INTENSITY AND DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY THE SPIRIT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THAT INITIAL CONCEPT PLAN IS PRESENTED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING ON EXHIBIT A THREE. WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVIATIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR TESTIMONY, THERE IS, WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, A MINIMUM BUFFER TO SCARBOROUGH ROAD OF 30FT, IS THERE NOT? THERE IS, YES. AND HOW DID YOU TREAT THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE PLAN? SO THE THE SCARBOROUGH ROAD BUFFER WAS WAS CHALLENGING. AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, YOUR PROFESSIONALS AND, AND THE ORIGINAL CONSULTANTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL AND A CONCEPTUAL PHASE. WHEN WE GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE DESIGN, WE START FINDING SOME EXISTING THINGS ALONG THE PROPERTY. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A PRETTY LARGE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THE VAST MAJORITY OF SCARBOROUGH ROAD THAT PROHIBITS US FROM PUTTING UP A BERM. ANOTHER LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS. SO WHAT WE DID IN LIEU OF THAT WAS WE PROVIDED TWO ABOVE GROUND BIORETENTION BASINS. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT ACTS AS THE BUFFER. IT. IT'S STILL A BASIN, BUT WE WENT WITH BIORETENTION BECAUSE 8,085% OF THE BOTTOM OF THAT BASIN IS GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING. SO IT'LL STILL LOOK NICE AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN SCARBOROUGH ROAD. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE NORTHERN BASIN ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE DOES HAVE A A SLOPE TO IT. WE HAVE A BERM THAT'S HOLDING BACK THE WATER. SO IT'S NOT A BERM IN THE EYES OF A LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO LOOK LIKE THERE'S A BERM ON THAT PORTION OF THE SITE. IS THERE ALSO A REQUIREMENT OF THE 30FT ON THE WESTERN SIDE BOUNDARY? THERE IS.
AND WHAT IS THE DISTANCE THERE THAT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 6.3FT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE WESTERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE THAT IS BETWEEN OUR DEVELOPMENT, OUR INTERNAL ACCESS DRIVEWAY AND ESSENTIALLY CONRAIL'S RAILROAD LINE. AND THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES MENTION THE SIGNAGE AREA AS WELL. AND IS THERE A A VARIANCE WITH RESPECT TO THAT SIGNAGE AREA? SO WE DO HAVE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY VARIANCE RELIEF ASSOCIATED WITH THE TWO GROUND MOUNTED SIGNS. I DO BELIEVE MISTER SULLIVAN POINTED OUT THAT WE MIGHT REQUIRE A DESIGN WAIVER FOR WAYFINDING SIGNAGE. I WAS GOING TO WAIT TO TO ASK HIM, BECAUSE THE STOP SIGN AND THE LOOK FOR PEDESTRIAN SIGN AND MORE MUTCD SIGNAGE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WE CAN GET RID OF IT. PERFECT. ALL OTHER WAYFINDING WHICH AREN'T PROPOSED RIGHT NOW WILL COMPLY WITH THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE. THANK YOU, MR. SULLIVAN. AND YOU ARE AWARE, ARE YOU NOT, THAT MONTGOMERY HAS A STEEP SLOPE ORDINANCE, DOES IT NOT? THEY DO. YES. AND HOW DOES IT APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION? WELL, IT APPLIES TO EVERY PROPERTY THAT'S IN YOUR MUNICIPALITY. IF YOU'VE BEEN AGAIN TO THE PROPERTY, YOU'LL SEE THAT MOST OF THE SITE IS REALLY CLEARED ALREADY. AND A COUPLE OF THE STEEP SLOPES THAT WE HAVE ARE REALLY MAN MADE. THERE'S A PILE, A LEFTOVER STOCKPILE, PROBABLY FROM THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH THAT'S IN THAT NORTHWEST CORNER. AND THERE IS SOME STEEP SLOPES RIGHT ALONG 206. WHEN THEY CAME AND CONSTRUCTED IT OVER THE RAILROAD LINE, THERE'S A REALLY BIG DROP OFF OVER THERE. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STEEP SLOPES ONE, IT IS A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURE. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE BEING SENSITIVE AROUND IT. THAT'S WHY MONTGOMERY HAS SUCH A ROBUST ORDINANCE. AND I WON'T REPEAT IT BECAUSE IT'S A COUPLE PAGES LONG. BUT THE ORDINANCE TELLS YOU AS THE APPLICANT, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.
AND IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER FROM THIS OR A VARIANCE IN THIS CASE, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SAFE AND IT'S GOING TO WORK. SO WE ALREADY HAVE OUR SOIL EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN CERTIFICATION. THAT RIGHT AWAY TELLS US THAT THAT THEY HAVE REVIEWED THIS SITE. THEY KNOW THAT THE MEASURES THAT ARE BEING PLACED ON IT DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THE POST-CONSTRUCTION SITUATION IS NOT GOING TO CREATE ANY EROSION PROBLEMS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MAYBE ASSOCIATED WITH SLOPES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, HOWEVER, THE STEEP SLOPES HERE ARE NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL A A HIGH SENSITIVE SLOPE AREA. THE STEEP SLOPES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY ARE BASED OFF OF SOME GRADING OF THE LAND THAT PRIOR CLEARING CAME INTO BE. THIS IS NOT LIKE A NATURAL BLUFF THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO PROTECT AND RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT ON.
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THERE'S JUST SOME STEEPER AREAS BASED OFF OF MAN MADE GRADING AND CLEARING OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY. SO IT'S IN MY OPINION THAT WE'RE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF ANY, YOU KNOW, NATURAL STEEP SLOPE ENVIRONMENT. AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE DISTURBING AND CREATING SOME NEW. AND THE POST-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY SID, AND I DON'T SEE ANY NEGATIVE CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE STEEP SLOPES. WITH RESPECT TO THOSE VARIANCES, DO YOU, AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, HAVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THOSE VARIANCES WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, PROPERTY VALUES OR THE ZONING SCHEME AND PLAN? I DO HAVE AN OPINION, BUT I WANT TO ADD ONE MORE JUST BEFORE WE SUMMARIZE ALL OF THEM, THE ENGINEER CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED A POTENTIAL VARIANCE ABOUT A FOUR FOOT HIGH FENCE AND HIS REVIEW LETTER WITH THE FENCE ON TOP OF THE WALL. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT NOT HAVING A FENCE THAT'S TALLER THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. WE HAVE A FENCE ON TOP OF A COUPLE OF RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE IN OUR STORMWATER BASINS. IBC AND BUILDING CODE TELLS YOU YOU MUST HAVE A FENCE TO STOP FALL PROTECTION. SO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO GET TO AS, AS THE SOLICITOR JUST MENTIONED, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE VARIANCES, WE FALL EITHER UNDER THE C1 OR THE C2 CRITERIA. I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THESE CAN FALL UNDERNEATH THAT C2 CRITERIA. THAT ALLOWS THE MUNICIPALITY TO GRANT THE DEVIATION FROM THE UNDERLYING REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH ANY OF THE DETRIMENTS.IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S ZERO DETRIMENTS. YOU JUST HAVE TO BALANCE IT OUT AND SAY, IS THERE ENOUGH BENEFIT OF THIS OVERALL PROJECT AND VARIANCE COMPARED TO MAYBE SOME OF THE DETRIMENTS THAT WILL COME ALONG WITH THE DEVIATIONS? SO WE TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVE CRITERIA. WE KIND OF JUST WANT THAT THROUGH TOGETHER. WE EXPLAINED WHAT THOSE VARIANCES ARE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON AS WELL AS THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA. WE MUST PROVE THAT THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD. THE UNDERLYING USE STANDS ON ITS OWN, AND SOME OF THE DEVIATIONS THAT WE HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, IN MY OPINION, WILL NOT CREATE ANY NEGATIVE COMPONENT FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD. THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE ZONE PLAN OR THE ZONING ORDINANCE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUFFERING, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT 30 FOOT DIMENSION, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS SUBSTANTIALLY LANDSCAPED. AND IF THERE'S ANY AREAS THAT WE COULD PLANT, WE DID PROVIDE IT. AND I THINK WE'VE MET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPING. AND I ACTUALLY THINK IN WORKING WITH YOUR PROFESSIONALS, WE'VE ADDED A LOT MORE LANDSCAPING. SO IT'S THE BALANCE TEST OF, OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE A PERFECT BUFFER ON SCARBOROUGH ROAD, BUT IS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY LANDSCAPED? IMPROVE THAT LANDSCAPING, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY DID. SAME THING FOR THE THE BUFFER TO THE WEST ASSOCIATED WITH THE RAILROAD. THAT IS, IN MY OPINION, THE LEAST SENSITIVE AREA OF THE SITE. WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OF US. WE'RE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL EAST AND TO THE NORTH. AND THEN WE HAVE THE RAILROAD LINE TO THE WEST. THEY WON'T NECESSARILY MIND TOO MUCH IF WE HAVE A SMALLER BUFFER THAN WHAT THEY ANTICIPATED. SO OVERALL, I THINK THAT'S HOW THE SITE WAS LAID OUT. WE'RE FOCUSED ON ALL THE OTHER SENSITIVITIES OF THE PROPERTY. JUST THIS ONE LOCATED TO THE WEST, WILL HAVE A SLIGHTLY LESS FENCE ON TOP OF A WALL. THAT'S PURELY SAFETY. THERE'S NO NEGATIVE DETRIMENT THERE. AND THE STEEP SLOPES, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN WITH THAT. BUT I THINK BASED ON GETTING THAT SCD APPROVAL AND ENSURING THAT REALLY THE STEEP SLOPES THAT WE'RE MODIFYING ARE MORE MAN MADE AND NOT NECESSARILY FROM A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WE CAN PROVE THAT THERE'S NO NEGATIVE DETRIMENT THERE. AND THEN FINALLY, IN THE C2 TEST, YOU MUST PROVE THAT YOU'RE ADVANCING SEVERAL PURPOSES OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING MULTIPLE PURPOSES HERE. PURPOSE A, E, G, I, AND L, AND OVERALL L IS PROBABLY THE MAIN PRONG HERE IS TO ENCOURAGE SENIOR CITIZEN COMMUNITY HOUSING CONSTRUCTION, WHICH THIS PROJECT DOES. FINALLY, THIS IS A LONG PROCESS BEHIND THE SCENES. BEFORE WE'RE HERE, BEFORE YOU AT THE PLANNING BOARD, THERE WAS A REAL DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE APPLICANT. THEN THERE WAS A RE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND NOW WE HAVE A PLAN THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY TWO TRC MEETINGS. SO I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FROM A TECHNICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT. AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE PROJECT THAT IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO ALL THE NUANCES OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.
AND THAT KIND OF SUMMARIZES A LITTLE BIT OF PLANNING. THERE WERE TWO DESIGN WAIVERS THAT WERE MENTIONED BY THE PLANNER. ONE WAS THE SIZE OF PARKING STALLS. THAT'S CORRECT. OUR PARKING STALL SIZE IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THE ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATES. WE'RE PROPOSING A NINE BY 18. I DON'T BELIEVE YOUR PROFESSIONALS HAD ANY CONCERNS WITH IT OVERALL. WHY THE NINE BY 18. IT'S A LOW TURNOVER TYPE OF USE. MEANING THAT WHEN YOU'RE MORE IN LIKE A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF PARKING LOT AND YOU'RE IN AND OUT OF A BUILDING, YOU WANT MORE SPACE, MAYBE YOU WANT ROOM FOR A SHOPPING CART HERE. IT'S A YOU PARK PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE DAY, AND THEN THEY COME BACK OUT AT THE END OF THEIR SHIFT. OR THEY'RE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING HAVE THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY AND GARAGES. SO THE PARKING LOT THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE IS REALLY FOR OUR STAFF THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING THE PROPERTY AND ANY GUESTS, OF COURSE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THE TWO PARKING STALL DIMENSIONS. THE OTHER DESIGN WAIVER THAT WE HAVE IS STREET TREES. AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A TECHNICAL WAIVER BECAUSE WE'RE
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BLOCKED FROM SOMETIMES DOING STREET TREES. I'LL GIVE THE TWO EXAMPLES. ON SCARBOROUGH ROAD.AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT EXISTING SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT. AND THEN ON ROUTE 206, THERE'S ACTUALLY EXISTING VEGETATION. WE DON'T WANT TO CLEAR EXISTING VEGETATION TO PUT UP VEGETATION.
SO WHAT WE DID ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS ALONG 206. WE ADDED TREES WHERE WE COULD, IF THERE WAS ANY HOLES AND GAPS IN THAT EXISTING VEGETATION. AND THEN WE ADDED ANOTHER ROW OF BUFFERING BEHIND IT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR PROFESSIONALS RECOMMENDATIONS DURING THE TRC MEETING ON SCARBOROUGH ROAD. AGAIN, WE CAN'T PUT A TREE INSIDE OF AN EASEMENT OR ON A SLOPE. SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS PROVIDE IT ALL THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WE STILL TECHNICALLY NEED THAT DESIGN WAIVER. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN IS IS SUBSTANTIAL. AND THERE IS ONE OTHER DESIGN WAIVER WHICH WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF TREES.
THAT WAS THE STREET TREES. YEP. THAT THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST TESTIFIED TO. ON BALANCE, CONSIDERING ALL THE. VARIANCES, THE WAIVERS, THE SITE PLAN AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, DO YOU BELIEVE IT MEETS THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? VERY MUCH SO. AND FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, YOU DID. YOU DID REVIEW THE VARIOUS REPORTS OF THE EXPERTS ON BEHALF OF MUNICIPALITY. I HAVE. YES. AND YOU BELIEVE YOU YOU HAVE ADEQUATELY RESPONDED TO THE ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED. I DO SO RIGHT NOW. TECHNICALLY, THE BALL IS STILL ON OUR COURT.
THE APPLICANT SIDE, WE DID VERY ROBUST ITEMIZED RESPONSE WITH REVISED PLANS THAT ARE PRESENTED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. AND THEN THE PROFESSIONALS UPDATED THEIR REPORTS. SO I HOPE WITH OUR TESTIMONY TONIGHT AND THEN SHOULD THE BOARD VOTE FAVORABLY THROUGH THE SECOND PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE, WE WOULD CLEAN UP ANY REMAINING TECHNICAL ITEMS. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE REPORTS THAT SOMETIMES I HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND EXPLAIN WHY WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THE ONLY ITEMS THAT ARE LEFT ARE TECHNICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE OR ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE ASKED FOR FROM A TESTIMONY STANDPOINT. SO WE'LL WE'LL SAVE THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT. BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE TREES. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TREES. IT'S JUST THAT THE LOCATION HAS CHANGED. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT. IF NOT, I ACTUALLY THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN THE. I THINK THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR. YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE THEN. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. I THINK WHAT MAKES SENSE IS FOR US AT THIS TIME TO GO TO OUR PROFESSIONALS JUST TO ADDRESS ABSOLUTELY YOUR PART, JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH BEFORE A PROFESSIONAL SPEAKER. THIS IS WHERE YOU ALL IN. DO YOU ALL SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUTHFUL? I DO THANK YOU. MICHAEL. YOU WANT TO START? WELL IN GOING OVER THE SITE PLAN AND IN VERY GENERAL WAY AND IDENTIFYING THE DEVIATIONS, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED. THERE ARE MYRIAD TECHNICAL DETAILS IN OUR REPORT. IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO ACTUALLY READ IT, I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. I APOLOGIZE THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THESE COMMENTS TO THE SATISFACTION. SOME OF THEM ARE DEVIATIONS, THE LIGHT, THE LIGHTING HEIGHT. YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE LIGHTS, WHICH IS NOT A REDEVELOPMENT STANDARD, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE GENERAL. IT'S IN THE TOWN STANDARD. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THAT. SO I APPRECIATE MR. SULLIVAN. YOU'RE BRINGING UP THE LIGHTING. THE WAY THAT I INTERPRETED THE ORDINANCE WAS THAT ANY LIGHT THAT IS EITHER AN AREA LIGHT POLE, THAT'S THE ONE IN THE PARKING LOT, OR A WALL MOUNTED LIGHT THAT SHINES OUT THE THE LIGHTS THAT ARE MORE THAN 15FT ARE UNDER A CANOPY AND FACING DOWN. IF THAT'S STILL COMPLIES WITH HOW MONTGOMERY INTERPRETS BUILDING LIGHTS, I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT ON SUPPLEMENTAL TESTIMONY ABOUT IT. BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR. YOU YOU CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED THAT BASICALLY WHERE WHERE YOU DRIVE UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AT THE ENTRANCE. AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THIS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS. THERE'S A CANOPY, AND THEY JUST WANT TO ILLUMINATE THE SIDEWALK AND SPACE UNDERNEATH IT. I THOUGHT THE ORDINANCE WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO REALLY TALL LIGHT. AND IT APPLIES TO BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTS AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY. IT APPLIES TO BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTS AS WELL, EVEN UNDER BUILDING MOUNTED. OKAY. YES, WE'LL WE'LL SHOW WHEN WHEN YOU SEE THE ARCHITECT COME UP, YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT IS. ALL THE OTHER LIGHTS ON SITE, THE AREA LIGHT POLES THAT ARE IN THE PARKING LOT IN THE DRIVEWAYS, AND THEN THE BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTS THAT ARE ON THE HORIZONTAL PLANE OF THE BUILDING ALL COMPLY WITH THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE. THE LIGHTS THAT DON'T COMPLY WITH THE HEIGHT ARE UNDERNEATH OUR CANOPY THAT IS MORE THAN 15FT TALL. BUT THOSE LIGHTS AND PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE PLANNING TESTIMONY ON FOR IT ARE NOT OUTWARD FACING, WHICH IS WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, THAT WE'RE NOT ILLUMINATING INTO THE SKY.
THOSE LIGHTS ARE FLUSH MOUNTED UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY, SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO FEEL THE LIGHTS JUST LIKE WE'RE INSIDE OF HERE.
IF YOU WERE UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY POSITION. AND AGAIN, THAT'S MORE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
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FACT THAT OUR CANOPY IS KIND OF ON THE SECOND STORY INSTEAD OF THE FIRST STORY THAT WILL BE UP.LIGHTS HAVE A BUG VALUE. THAT'S YOU ONE, WHICH INDICATES THEY'RE NOT FULL CUT OFF AND THEY HAVE A COLOR TEMPERATURE OF 3000 K INSTEAD OF 27 K. YOU'RE GOING TO FIX THAT. WE ARE GOING TO FIX THAT. YES. IN TERMS OF THE PLANTINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BUFFERS AND THE RATIONALE FOR THE LIMITATIONS ON THE ON THE SITE WITH RESPECT TO THE EASEMENTS AND SOME OF THE UTILITIES, THERE ARE TWO EASEMENTS ALONG 206, WHICH REALLY PREVENT ANY PLANTINGS. BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ADDING PLANT MATERIAL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CONFLICTS WITH UTILITIES. AND WHEN WE GET OUT IN THE FIELD WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HERE, WE ARE ALWAYS MOVING TREES AWAY FROM UTILITIES THAT ARE PLANTED TOO CLOSE. SO YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE WITH RESPECT TO ALL PLANTINGS, ALL YOUR LANDSCAPING COMMENTS, WE WILL WORK WITH YOUR OFFICE AND COMPLY WITH. OKAY. MICHAEL, IS YOUR MOST RECENT ONE. JULY 6TH? IT IS JULY 6TH. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. WE ISSUED THIS REPORT IN JULY. THERE WAS A SITE PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING, I BELIEVE, ON THE 20. WAS IT LIKE EARLIER? I DON'T MEAN TO TEST ANYBODY, BUT WE HAD A SUBSEQUENT SITE PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED ALL THESE ISSUES. AND THE REPRESENTATIONS HERE WERE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN TESTIFIED TO HERE.
OKAY. YOU WOULD ALSO SAID IN HERE MAYBE IT WAS ADDRESSED, I APOLOGIZE, IT WAS. BUT IN TERMS OF A WALKING TRAIL NEEDED FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT. YEAH, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE REDEVELOPER AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S CLEARLY THERE'S NO THE BOARD HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER THAT. IT'S GOT TO BE THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT NO. YEAH. WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THE OTHER SUGGESTION THAT THE SITE PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING WAS THAT YOU TALKED WITH LAUREN ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHERE THAT SHOULD BE LOCATED AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT. GOOD. ANY OTHER CONCERNS, MICHAEL, FROM. NO, THAT MAKES IT EASY.
WE'LL DO ANYTHING YOU SAY. WE ALL HEARD HIM SAY THAT THE BOARD AGREES THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. THEN WE'RE GOOD. I THINK WE'RE GOOD, JOE. ALL RIGHT. SIMILAR TO MIKE, MOST OF THE. THERE ARE SOME VERY TECHNICAL COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO WHICH SIGNS GO WHERE, WHICH I'M SURE THEY'LL COMPLY WITH. JOSH, JUST TO COVER ONE ITEM IN MY MEMO, I JUST WANTED SOME TESTIMONY ON THE LARGEST TRUCK YOU ANTICIPATE. WHAT'S THE LARGEST DELIVERY YOU WOULD EXPECT ON A REGULAR BASIS? WE'RE REALLY JUST EXPECTING BOX TRUCKS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT'S IN OUR PLAN SET. I WILL SAY THAT THE SITE DOES PROVIDE A 25 FOOT DRIVE AISLE. WE DO SHOW A FIRE TRUCK GOING THROUGH IT IF WE NEED TO, BUT THE LOADING SPACE THAT WE HAVE LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS REALLY JUST SET UP FOR FOR BOX TRUCKS.
OKAY, I MIGHT JUST ADD TO THAT. SURE. ON PREVIOUS COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE HAD TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT IF THE SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT SOMETIMES FOR LARGE FOOD DELIVERIES. BUT IN THIS CASE HERE, I BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT. IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE'LL USE BOX TRAILERS.
BUT THOSE DELIVERIES WOULD ALWAYS BE LIMITED TO NO EARLIER THAN 8:00 IN THE MORNING AND NO LATER THAN 6 P.M. OKAY, SO THE ROAD IS DESIGNED FOR IT. IT JUST COMES OCCASIONAL, RIGHT? AND SINCE THIS COMMUNITY IS OFF THE MAIN ROAD, IF A TRUCK IS BACK THERE, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES DEALING WITH IT WAS JUST A A TESTIMONY ITEM IN MY MEMO. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THERE'S ALL MINOR TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT THEY CAN THEY'VE AGREED TO ADDRESS. OKAY. HAVE YOU ASCERTAINED THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE ACCESS FOR THE LARGEST FIRE TRUCK THAT MONTGOMERY HAS? YES. THEY THE THE TEMPLATE THAT THEY USED ON THEIR PLANS IS ACTUALLY LARGER THAN MONTGOMERY'S FIRE TRUCK. WE HAVE A ONE SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN, AND THE ONE THEY USED IS EVEN LARGER. SO YES, A FIRE TRUCK CAN GET ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING. WILL IT FIT THE AMBULANCE? THEY'RE BUYING. I'M SORRY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? JOE? NO. THAT'S IT. OKAY. RAKESH.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S GOING TO BE A SIMILAR SONG. THE THE APPLICANT DID ADDRESS MOST OF OUR COMMENTS. WE HAD. OUR ORIGINAL MEMO WAS DATED MAY 4TH AND THERE WAS A SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE MEETING AND SUBSEQUENT SUBMISSION. AND WE ISSUED A MEMO DATED JUNE 30TH, WHICH ESSENTIALLY STATES THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESSED ABOUT PROBABLY 90%, 95% OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN OUR MEMO. THERE ARE A FEW LITTLE OUTSTANDING TECHNICAL ITEMS WHICH I'D PREFER TO NOT BORE YOU WITH THIS EVENING, BUT THE APPLICANT I DID HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO MR. SEEWALD BEFORE THE MEETING HERE, AND HE INDICATED THAT THEY'LL THEN END ALSO ON THE RECORD HERE, THAT THEY'LL REVISE THEIR PLANS TO ADDRESS ANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS THAT ARE LEFT IN OUR MEMO AND THE TESTIMONY ITEMS WHICH WE REQUESTED. I'VE BEEN KEEPING
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TRACK HERE JUST ABOUT ALL THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE REQUESTED IN OUR MEMO HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY MR. SEEWALD AND BY THE. AND I APOLOGIZE, SIR, I CAN'T I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER WITNESS THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FOR EITHER WITNESS, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE. OKAY. ANY CLARIFICATION, SIR? ARE YOU GOING TO ALSO ADDRESS. WE HAVE A VERY BRIEF MEMO FROM THE FIRE OFFICIAL. I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT. I HAVE THREE OTHER ONES. I HAVE THE THE MONTGOMERY PARKS AND RECREATION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE SHADE TREE COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. THIS ONE IS FROM RYAN PANELLA. IT'S DATED, RECEIVED, I THINK STAMPED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT IS APRIL 28TH. HE SAYS, I'VE REVIEWED THE PLANS FOR THRIVE. MONTGOMERY ASKED THE FOLLOWING BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE MAIN ENTRANCE WITH A FIRE HYDRANT LOCATED WITHIN 50FT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CONNECTION STANDPIPES IN THE STAIRWELLS TO DECREASE TIME FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION EFFORTS AND STAIRWELLS TO BE AN AREA OF REFUGE. ARE THEY ALL ACCEPTABLE? THE FIRST ONE IS VERY ACCEPTABLE FROM MY STANDPOINT. FTC BEING LOCATED TO A FIRE DEPARTMENT, A FIRE HYDRANT IS VERY COMMON. THE SECOND ONE I MIGHT HAVE TO DEFER IS THE AREA OF REFUGE. I WOULD DEFER TO THE ARCHITECT AND THE ARCHITECT. OKAY, THAT WAS DESIGNED. THAT'S FINE. THE ARCHITECT. TESTIFY TO THAT. GOING BACK TO THE TO LAUREN WELLS OPEN SPACE, SHE HAD MADE. THERE'S, AGAIN, A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL THINGS ABOUT GUARANTEES ON PLANTINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU'VE REVIEWED HER MEMO? YEAH. SO FROM THE THE PARKS AND RECREATION. CORRECT. RIGHT. YEP.I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD SAY YES TO A LOT OF THEM. A LOT OF THEM WERE JUST AS NOTES AND, AND CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. SO WE WILL PROVIDE ANOTHER ITEMIZED RESPONSE TO HER. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE ITEMS TALKS ABOUT LIKE, LIKE CRITICAL AREAS ON THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE NO CRITICAL AREAS. THERE ARE SOME MAPPED SPECIES IN THE GENERAL AREA, BUT THERE'S NO PERMIT OR PRONG TO TO WORK WITH THAT. EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IS REALLY MONTGOMERY BASED DELAWARE RARITAN CANAL COMMISSION BASE AND CD BASED. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL REVIEW THE SITE, BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS THEY BRING UP IS JUST NOT APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY. SO, OKAY, A LOT OF SOME OF THE RESPONSES TO THAT MAY BE THIS, THIS IS A GOOD COMMENT. IT'S JUST NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS SITE BASED ON JURISDICTION. BUT THE OTHER LITTLE ITEMS WHERE THEY ASKED FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF TREES, WE'LL WORK WITH THEIR OFFICE. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE SPECIES. SPECIES. I MEAN THEY YEAH. SPECIES. YEAH. THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND IT'S LOCAL TO HERE. SO WE TRUST. YEAH. THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR PROFESSIONALS AS IT PERTAINS TO THEIR PLANNER. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU STATE FOR THE RECORD YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? SURE. MY NAME IS CHRIS WOOLVERTON, WOLVERTONHQW. ARCHITECT IS LOCATED AT 14 NORTH VILLAGE BOULEVARD, SUITE C, IN SPARTA, NEW JERSEY, AND THE PREVIOUSLY SWORN. YES. ALRIGHT. WOULD YOU GIVE THE BOARD A QUICK THUMBNAIL SKETCH OF YOUR BACKGROUND? SURE. I GRADUATED RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE IN 2008 WITH MY BACHELOR OF ARCHITECTURE DEGREE.
I RECEIVED MY LICENSE TO PRACTICE ARCHITECTURE IN 2013 IN STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND MY LICENSE IS ACTIVE. I WOULD SUBMIT REFERS OF ARCHITECTURE. WOLVERTON ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. HAVING BEEN CONFRONTED WITH THE SITE. THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION. WOULD YOU DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD WHAT PROCESS YOU UNDERTOOK IN DESIGNING THE PROJECT? SURE. SO THIS IS NOT THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THRIVE SENIOR LIVING ON. THE TYPICAL PROCESS IS YOU, YOU WORK WITH A CLIENT FROM THAT INITIAL SITE SELECTION, RIGHT THROUGH CONCEPT DESIGN, WHERE YOU'RE ESTABLISHING THE NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING THE AMENITIES, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE AMENITIES AND THE ASSISTED LIVING, MEMORY CARE AND INDEPENDENT LIVING PORTION OF IT. YOU LAY THOSE OUT ON THE SITE, LOOK AT YOUR SIGHT LINES, LOOK AT THE WAY THE MENU IS
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LAID OUT, AND YOU WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE A FLOOR PLAN AND DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD THE DESIGN YOU CAME UP WITH AND HOW IT IS UNIQUE WITH RESPECT TO THIS SITE. SURE. SO I, YES, I WILL SAY THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITE PLAN LAYOUT. IS THERE A MOUSE WITH THIS AT ALL? NO, SIR.DO YOU WANT THIS MARKED AS AN EXHIBIT? SURE. YES. THIS IS EXHIBIT. THIS IS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED. THIS IS A 101. ALRIGHT. WELL NOW WE'RE AND THIS IS A A DETAILED FLOOR PLAN OF THE FIRST FLOOR. WE'LL CALL THIS EXHIBIT A FIVE THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE ORIENTATION OF THIS FLOOR PLAN IS FLIPPED FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEERS DRAWING WHERE SOUTH IS AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE. NORTH IS AT THE BOTTOM JUST TO ORIENT EVERYBODY. I WILL DESCRIBE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT MAKES IT EASIER. OKAY, SO AS IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF 196 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, CONSISTED OF 84 INDEPENDENT LIVING, WHICH IS LOCATED PRIMARILY ON THE WELL, LOCATED ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. SO ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING WHERE THAT TWO STORY CANOPY IS, IS PLANNED SOUTH, WHICH IS NORTH. ENTERING THE BUILDING, WE HAVE TWO SPLINES.
WE HAVE A NORTH SOUTH SPLINE WHICH CONTAINS THE MEMORY CARE NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDES THE ASSISTANT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING AND ALSO INCLUDES THE AMENITY SPACES. AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND SPLINE RUNNING PLAN, WEST EAST, AND THIS CONTAINS A TWO STORY INDEPENDENT LIVING COTTAGES. THE INDEPENDENT LIVING COTTAGES ARE ALL CONNECTED BY A TWO STORY ATRIUM SPACE THAT IS MEANT TO BE ENGAGING A SOCIAL HUB FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING.
ALSO, IT ALLOWS THE RESIDENTS TO NOT GO TO THE EXTERIOR, WHEREAS OTHER ASSISTED LIVING INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES HAVE EXTERIOR COTTAGES OR MAYBE COVERED CANOPIES. YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN NEW JERSEY, WE HAVE WINTERS, WE HAVE WEATHER SUMMERS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE THIS FULLY CONDITIONED, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE A SEMI CONDITIONED SPACE. WITHIN THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE. SO IT'S NOT JUST LET ME SEE YOU ZOOM IN. IT'S NOT JUST ONE. ONE LONG CORRIDOR BECAUSE THE SITE SLOPES UP FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. IT'S, IT'S SPLIT UP BY RAMPS, PLANTERS, STAIRS THROUGHOUT THE. THE EAST WEST SPLINE. AND THAT ALLOWS A TWO STORY SPACE WHERE YOU'RE ENVISIONING A VERY WELL LIT, ALLOWING AMPLE NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE SPACE, NATURAL VEGETATION, NATURAL MATERIALS, BRINGING THAT BIOPHILIC NATURE ELEMENTS INTO THE BUILDING. SOMETHING ELSE. THIS ALLOWS US TO DO. BECAUSE OF THE THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING, IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AMPLE WALKING PATHS, ALMOST LIKE THE THE MALL WALKERS THAT YOU SEE. BUT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP EVERYONE ONTO THE SITE. SO NOW THAT I'M ZOOMED IN, THIS GIVES ME MORE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE AMENITY SPACES. SO THIS SPACE HERE, MY CURSOR IS THAT'S YOUR TWO STORY ENTRY EXTERIOR CANOPY.
YOU ENTER INTO A VESTIBULE, A MAIN ENTRY SPACE, A GREAT ROOM. THIS GREAT ROOM IS TWO STORIES.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU CAN SEE DOWN INTO IT, AND WE HAVE OUR RECEPTION SPACE RIGHT OFF THAT. JUST LIKE THE THRIVE AT MONTVALE SPACE THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER, WE HAVE A LOT OF AMENITIES IN HERE. WE HAVE A SPA, WE HAVE A SALON AND SPA. WE HAVE FITNESS SPACE, WELLNESS SPACE, MULTIPLE DINING SPACES. WE EVEN HAVE A DINING SPACE FOR THE ASSISTED LIVING ON THE THIRD FLOOR. WITHIN THAT THAT NORTH SOUTH SPLINE. WE ALSO HAVE THE LOUNGE SPACE AS WELL AND A MULTI-PURPOSE SPACE AT THE END OF THAT SPLINE IS THE MEMORY CARE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS IS A SECURE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE HAVE OUR OUR MEMORY CARE STUDIOS. WE HAVE OUR OWN ACTIVITY SPACE FOR MEMORY CARE, MEMORY CARE, LIVING SPACE AND DINING SPACE.
AND THERE IS AN ENCLOSED COURTYARD THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE, THOSE RESIDENTS AS WELL.
THEIR FIRST FLOOR ALSO CONTAINS A LOT OF OUR BACK OF THE HOUSE SPACES. SO OUR KITCHEN, OUR MECHANICAL ROOMS, MAINTENANCE, ELECTRICAL, FIRE, WATER. AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE THAT. AS WAS DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS TESTIMONY, THE LOADING DOCK SPACE. THAT'S ALSO WHERE OUR
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UTILITIES COME IN. SO OUR ELECTRIC OUR WATER GAS UTILITIES COME INTO THE THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. IT'S SHIELDED BY THE BUILDING. AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE A WHOLE BANK OF UTILITY METERS. WE HAVE ONE METER PER UTILITY ENTERING THE BUILDING IN THE BACKSIDE. LET'S SEE. NOW MOVING ON TO THE THE SECOND FLOOR. SO THIS IS SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO THE FIRST FLOOR IN TERMS OF WHERE THE INDEPENDENT LIVING COTTAGES ARE. SO THE AS I MENTIONED, THIS 42 TOTAL IL COTTAGES ON THE FIRST ON THE GROUND LEVEL 42 ON THE SECOND LEVEL. WHAT I FORGOT TO MENTION WAS THAT THE ONES ON THE FIRST FLOOR HAVE THEIR OWN GARAGES AS WELL. SO THE FIRST FLOOR UNITS HAVE GARAGES. THE SECOND FLOOR UNITS ARE SEPARATE. THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN GARAGES. THE FIRST FLOOR UNITS ALSO HAVE HAVE ACCESSIBILITY. SOME OF THE COTTAGES ARE LOCATED BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING'S ARTICULATED BACK AND FORTH. WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME COURTYARDS WITHIN THE FIRST FLOOR SPACE. SO THAT SPLINE AGAIN RUNS EAST TO WEST, AND THERE'S A SMALL PART THAT DOES RUN NORTH TO SOUTH. NOW THIS CENTRAL SPLINE THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH, THAT HAS ALL OF THE NOW ASSISTED LIVING SPACES. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER SPACES LIKE THE THEATER AND THE ADMINISTRATION SUITE, AND THAT LOOKS DOWN TO THAT GREAT ROOM. WE ALSO HAVE A LOUNGE SPACE. NOW, SOME OF THESE ASSISTED LIVING UNITS ARE HAVE AN ILL FLEX. THERE'S 40 OF THESE. THE ILL FLEX IS MEANT FOR LONG TERM CARE, WHERE YOU START OFF IN THE UNIT WITH CERTAIN CAPABILITIES. AND THOSE CAPABILITIES MIGHT. BE REDUCED.SO YOU STAY IN THE SAME UNIT. AND THEN WE HAVE A THIRD FLOOR, AND THE THIRD FLOOR IS ALL ASSISTED LIVING. SO WE HAVE OUR ASSISTED LIVING WING THAT RUNS WEST, EAST AND NORTH SOUTH. I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THAT THE THERE IS A ASSISTED LIVING DINING SPACE AND LOUNGE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE THIRD FLOOR HERE. NOW GOING TO. AND I. AND THESE ARE ALL SHEETS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED. BUT GO INTO THE NEXT PAGE. I'M GOING TO ZOOM OUT. THIS IS OUR OUR ROOF PLAN. SO THE BUILDING IS 52FT FROM THE AVERAGE GRADE TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET. THE TOP 12FT OF THIS BUILDING IS A MANSARD ROOF THAT CONTAINS ALL OF THE LARGE MECHANICAL UNITS.
SO THEY'RE HIDDEN FROM FROM THE ROADWAY, HIDDEN FROM THE PARKING LOT, HIDDEN FROM THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE THE SENIOR LIVING COMPLEX. NOW, I DID BRING. I COULD PASS IT OUT, BUT THE THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR IS A WARM, MODERN COTTAGE ESTHETIC. AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS CREATE THAT, TAKE THAT SCALE, THE BUILDING AND PERCEIVABLY DOWN SCALE IT BY REDUCING THE BY INTRODUCING VARYING ROOF LINES, COTTAGE STYLE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS, DOING DIFFERENT MATERIAL CHANGES, ADDING BALCONIES.
COURTYARDS, ARCHITECTURAL, ARCHITECTURAL, ARCHITECTURAL, DIFFERENT FACADES AND I SAID BALCONIES. THE. ON THE SECOND FLOOR, ABOUT 25 OF THE ASSISTED LIVING UNITS HAVE BALCONIES.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THIS ELEVATION RIGHT HERE. NOW SCROLLING. IS THAT LIKE A STEP OUT BALCONY OR IT IS A STEP OUT BALCONY LIKE A JULIET OR WHATEVER? YES. I'M GOING TO SCOOT BACK UP TO SHEET A 101. OH NO, SORRY. KEEP GOING A ZERO ZERO. AND THESE WERE FOR PHOTOREALISTIC RENDERINGS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER TWO FROM SCARBOROUGH ROAD AND TWO FROM ROUTE 206. AND THESE WERE PRETTY MUCH TAKEN. I WAS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO INTO GOOGLE MAPS, GO INTO YOUR GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND PRETTY MUCH TAKE THESE VIEWS. AND THE REASON WHY WE DID THESE VIEWS IS WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT A LOT OF THE BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOWER ELEVATION THAN ROUTE 206. A LOT OF IT IS SCREENED BY THE NATURAL VENTILATION AND THE NATURAL SITE TOPOGRAPHY. AND THEN THIS VIEW IS TAKEN FROM SCARBOROUGH ROAD. THIS IS THE THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE. THAT'S THAT'S NOT OUR BUILDING. THAT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE TWO STORY COTTAGES THAT'S YOU ZOOM IN.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TWO STORY COTTAGES HAVE THEIR INDEPENDENT GARAGES. AND THE SECOND ONE STORIES DO NOT. AND YOU GET A GLIMPSE OF THAT, THAT SPLINE THAT RUNS EAST AND WEST. THE.
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GOING BACK TO LAST SHEETS. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE THE ELEVATIONS LOOK SMALL AND EVEN ON THE GIANT TV UP THERE. BUT WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS ON THE OUTSIDE. SO A LOT OF IT IS HARDIPLANK. SO WE HAVE A SMOOTH PEARL GRAY HARDIPLANK WE HAVE A CULTURED STONE, WE HAVE A GRAY GLENGARRY BRICK. WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HARDIPLANK, ARCTIC WHITE, AND THEN SOME OTHER BOARD MATERIALS. SO IT'S A IT'S A MODERN COTTAGE LOOK, IT HAS SOME MORE MUTED TONES AND. I THINK I COVERED EVERYTHING IN MY PRESENTATION. TRASH, TRASH. TRASH, DUMPSTERS ARE OKAY. GO DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR. YES, SIR. JUST TO CONFIRM. YES. YOU'RE THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD, CORRECT? YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I ASSUME IT'S OUT THERE.RIGHT THERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S LOCATED ON THE PERIMETER LOOP. PLAN. PLAN MY PLAN. NORTH.
NAVIGATION SOUTH RIGHT HERE. LET ME GO BACK TO THE DYNAMICS. THAT'S A GOOD ONE. SO THIS PLAN HAS SOME SOME ADDITIONAL GRAPHIC DETAILS RIGHT HERE. IS THERE AN INTERNAL TRASH MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OR IS THIS THIS IS IT. THIS IS IT. SO I'M GUESSING YOU HAVE STAFF THAT PICKS UP THE THAT COLLECTS IT INTERNALLY AND BRINGS IT HERE. I MEAN THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU'LL HAVE WE HAVE FULL HOUSEKEEPING SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS. THEY'LL TAKE THE TRASH THEIR TRASH ROOMS THAT ARE LOCATED ON EACH FLOOR, BUT NOT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO USE.
AND THERE'S NO CHUTES. HOUSEKEEPING WILL THEN TAKE THEM, TAKE THEM DOWN THE SERVICE ELEVATOR AND BRING THEM OUT AND PUT THEM IN. OKAY, SO SO THIS SINGLE 20 BY 20 ENCLOSURE IS, IS THAT SUFFICIENT? YES. FOR ALL THE RECYCLING AND REFUSE. YEAH.
OKAY. HOW DOES THE ELEVATION BLEND IN WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE, ON THE OTHER PART OF THE LOT, I THINK YOU HAD A PICTURE OF IT, RIGHT? ONE. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. SO IT'S TAKEN SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, THE GABLED ROOFS, SOME OF THE WOOD TONES, SOME OF THE GRAY TONES. WE HAVE A CERTAINTEED DRIFTWOOD ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF. SO IT'S TAKING THOSE ELEMENTS, NOT REPLICATING THOSE ELEMENTS, BUT GIVING THEM A MORE MODERN TWIST TO IT. WHY GRAY JUST SEEMS DEPRESSING. BUT YOU KNOW, OKAY. MICHAEL. RAKESH, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE ARCHITECTURE. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE HVAC AND BEING LOCATED WITHIN THE MANSARD ON THE ROOF.
CORRECT. THE SIZE OF THOSE UNITS. THAT'S UNDETERMINED RIGHT NOW. TYPICALLY THERE'S THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF UNITS. THEY COULD BE 20FT BY EIGHT, TYPICALLY 20FT BY EIGHT FEET BY EIGHT FEET ON A 14 INCH CURB. SO WE HAVE 12FT. AND SO IT'LL BE ABOUT A FOOT BELOW THE MANSARD. OKAY. AND YOU CAN USE ACOUSTIC DAMPENING TREATMENT ON THE INSIDE OF THOSE MANSARDS.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MINIMIZE THE ABILITY FOR THAT TO REFLECT OUT, TYPICALLY NOT AS AN ARCHITECTURAL MATERIAL. WE HAVE USED THOSE TYPE OF DAMPERS AND STUFF ON GENERATOR, BUT NOT ON ROOFTOP UNITS. NO, NO, THEY'RE PRETTY QUIET UNITS. LIKE WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS YET. THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LAYOUT THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD USE VRF SYSTEMS, WHICH INSTEAD OF HAVING LARGE ROOFTOP UNITS, WE'D HAVE CONDENSING UNITS SIMILAR TO A SPLIT SYSTEM THAT THEN FEED TO A BRANCH CONTROLLER AND BRANCH OUT SEPARATELY OR SEPARATE HEAT PUMPS AND CEILINGS. THE THE UNITS THEMSELVES TYPICALLY BE
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ELECTRIC TYPE THROUGH THE WALL TANK UNITS SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE ROOF. THE LARGEST YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE A LARGE ROOFTOP UNIT FOR THE CORRIDORS AND THE MAIN BUILDING, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABOVE THAT 12 FOOT MANSARD. AND A LOT OF TIMES WITH THOSE UNITS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO FINISH THEM THE SAME COLOR AS THE ADJACENT MATERIALS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER ONE OF THESE WINDOWS, THERE MIGHT BE A THROUGH THE WALL TACK UNIT, BUT WE HAVE A DARK ANODIZED FINISH IF THERE'S ANY. DRYER VENTS, OTHER TYPE OF VENTS, THOSE BE PAINTED AT THE SAME COLOR AS THE SIDING AS WELL. RIGHT. WELL, SO THAT GETS TO MY NEXT COMMENT ABOUT THE PENETRATIONS IN THE BUILDING. THESE, YOU KNOW, THIS ALL LOOKS GREAT UNTIL YOU SHOW UP ONE DAY AND IT'S BUILT. AND THE GUYS INSTALLING THE, THE MECHANICALS ARE JUST PUTTING HOLES WHEREVER THEY WANT. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST THE COLOR OF THE MATERIAL. IT NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE ARCHITECTURE IN TERMS OF THE FINISH. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, RIGHT? SO THAT IF THERE IS A VENT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF PENETRATION THAT IT DOESN'T NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN CREATE THIS CHAOTIC FACADE. AND I DON'T CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE INSIDE FACADES, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTSIDE WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SEE IT.LAST TIME IT BECAME A MODEL WHERE WE HAD THE TECH UNITS BLENDING IN, WE HAD VERY EVEN SPACING OF ALL THE EXTERIOR PENETRATIONS, EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT BEING PICKED UP BY THE TAPE, IS IT? I GUESS. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BECOME AN EXHIBIT OR IS THIS SORRY? YES. OKAY. WHAT WOULD IT BE? SIX. SIX? MICHAEL? IS THAT DOES THAT LOOK? IT LOOKS GOOD THERE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT YOU YOU BE THE JUDGE. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? OH, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. YEAH. SO WE'LL NEED TO THROW THIS. I THINK IN IN ADDITION TO THAT. MR. MR. SULLIVAN WAS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE METER LOCATION FOR ELECTRIC. YEAH. GAS, WHEREAS I, I'VE EVEN DRIVING DOWN THE MAIN ROAD HERE, YOU SEE SOME OF THESE HAVE EIGHT STACKED HIGH OF GAS METERS RIGHT ON THE MAIN ROAD. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE THAT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US AND SHOW US WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SCREEN WHATEVER THAT IS.
CORRECT. SURE. TIME. AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, IT'S GREAT AS LONG AS IT'S UNIFORM. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T HAVE STUFF COMING OUT ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE. MR. CHAIR, FOR THE RECORD, THAT BUILDING'S WON TWO NATIONAL AWARDS FOR DESIGN. AND WHAT WOULD WE DO? WELL, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DESCRIBE EXHIBIT A SIX SAMPLE EXTERIOR FACADE? THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS AN EXISTING THIS IS EXISTING ONE OF YOURS, CHRIS. WHAT DID YOU MARK THAT 6686. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. SAMPLE EXTERIOR FACADE. OKAY. SO THE LOCATION ALL THE UTILITIES COMING IN IS AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHERE WE HAVE FIRE ELECTRIC MAINTENANCE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE METERS IN THOSE LOCATIONS. NOW IT IS NATURALLY SHIELDED BY THE BUILDING ITSELF.
IT HAS NO VIEW. VANTAGE POINT FROM 206 SCARBOROUGH. IF YOU FEEL THAT IT NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL SCREENING, WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT. WELL, I THINK JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE LIVING THERE, LIKE NOT JUST THE UTILITY METERS, BUT THAT'S A SERVICE AREA, RIGHT? SO THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF VISUAL SCREENING THERE JUST TO SOFTEN THAT APPROACH SO THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, A SERVICE BAG LOADING DOCK. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM LOOKING DOWN INTO THAT LOADING DOCK AREA THAN PUTTING A CANOPY OVER IT. BUT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT JUST FROM THE GROUND LEVEL, LIKE IF PEOPLE PULL IN, MINIMIZE THE VIEW OF THAT AS PEOPLE PERCEIVE IT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN AND THEN IT TURNS A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. SO AND THAT, YEAH, THAT IS A GOOD POINT. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THE KITCHEN SPACE THERE. SO EVEN WHEN THE BOX TRUCKS ARE PARKED, WE HAVE IT'S NATURALLY BLOCKED BY THE KITCHEN. THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE THE MEMORY CARE STUDIOS. WE HAVE SEVEN STUDIOS WITH WINDOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT THE RESIDENT, BUT PEOPLE VISITING MIGHT BE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOWS. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH DOING SOMETHING. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING HERE. MC STUDIOS. YEAH, THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS SOMETIMES YOU PUT LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF WINDOWS LIKE THAT. AS THE LANDSCAPE. THE FIRST COUPLE OF
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YEARS, IT LOOKS GREAT, BUT THEN AFTER THAT THE UNITS ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH NATURAL LIGHT.IT BECOMES DARK FIELD. SO I MEAN, JUST TO MAKE IT EASY, YOU COULD PUT AN EXTENSION OF THE BUILDING THERE LIKE SOME AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT, LIKE A SIX FOOT HIGH WALL THAT COMES OUT OF THE BUILDING AND JUST ENCOMPASSES THAT AREA. AND THEN PUT SOME PLANTS THAT AREN'T GOING TO OVERGROW IT. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DETAILS, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE SOME MOVES YOU CAN MAKE THERE. IN TERMS OF THE HVAC. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU. JUST ONE MORE THING IN TERMS OF THE ALL HVAC UNITS, WHATEVER THOSE COMPONENTS ARE, ARE GOING TO BE ON THE ROOF.
THERE'S GOING TO BE NOTHING ON THE GROUND FOR ANY OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE UP ON THE BIG ROOF. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO WORK. OKAY. THERE'S NOTHING ON THE GROUND. THERE'S A SECTION ON SHEET. ON SHEET A 201. WE HAVE A SECTION THROUGH THE BUILDING. SO I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK BY SAYING IT'S ALL ON THE HIGH ROOF. THERE IS A SPACE ABOVE THE KITCHEN WHERE WE HAVE SOME MECHANICAL UNITS AS WELL. THAT'S ALSO SCREENED. YEP. OKAY. AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE AREA OF REFUGE. THE STAIRWELLS WILL HAVE AN AREA OF REFUGE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE TYPICALLY LOCATE THE STANDPIPES AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT. JOE. RAKESH FOR THE ARCHITECT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE ARCHITECT. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. I YOU HAVE A REPORT FROM TNM ON TRAFFIC. WE DID A TRAFFIC REPORT. YEP. I BROUGHT THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WITH ME. I DON'T BELIEVE, BASED UPON THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT AND THE RESPONSES THAT THERE'S ANY DIRECT TESTIMONY NECESSARY. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CIRCULATION AND THE PARKING, BUT HE IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC. JOE, ARE WE GOOD? I'M FINE. THE SHORT VERSION IS WHEN THE ROADS IN THIS AREA WERE DESIGNED, THEY WERE ALWAYS DESIGNED WITH SOMETHING BEING CONTEMPLATED ON THIS SITE. YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, BUT THIS IS GENERALLY ABOUT ONE OF THE LEAST INTENSIVE USES YOU COULD PUT ON THIS SITE. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ASK THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAILS ON THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S FINE. WHAT KIND OF USAGE DO THE DRIVEWAYS GET? I MEAN, DO A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAVE CARS? IT'S MORE OF A IT'S MORE OF A CURIOSITY. THE ANSWER IS YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THE ASSISTED LIVING RESIDENTS AND MEMORY CARE RESIDENTS ARE NOT DRIVING. NO, NO, I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY CLOSE TO 50 OR 60% OF THE INDEPENDENT LIVING RESIDENTS HAVE CARS.
DON'T USE THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LET GO OF THEM. AND THEIR KIDS SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE A CAR, BUT THEY'RE NOT DRIVING. THERE'S PROBABLY MAYBE 30 OR 40% OF THEM NOW IN THE COTTAGES, ESPECIALLY ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN GARAGE, THAT THE DESIGN IS PURPOSELY MEANT TO CREATE A FEELING OF BEING IN YOUR OWN HOME AND HAVING THE INDEPENDENCE TO WALK OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR. IF IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY LIKE TODAY WAS, YOU'D WALK OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR AND WALK OVER TO THE MAIN BUILDING. YOU GET IN YOUR GARAGE AND YOU CAN GO AND DRIVE. SO THERE'S 42 UNITS THERE. I ENVISION ALL THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE DRIVING THE PEOPLE ON THE UPPER FLOOR. PROBABLY, MAYBE 20% OF THEM, 30% OF THEM. AND IN THE MAIN BUILDING, THERE WAS ILAL FLEX UNITS. AGAIN, IF, IF, IF 30 OR 40% OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING.
MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH, WHATEVER I SAY IS NOT TESTIMONY. I'M THE LAWYER. UNDERSTOOD. JUST TO GIVE YOU, I DO ENOUGH OF THESE SO I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE. I JUST LIKE TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. IT'S A THOUGHT. ONE OF THE LAST VESTIGES OF INDEPENDENCE THAT PEOPLE HAVE WHEN THEY MOVE INTO A FACILITY LIKE THIS IS THEIR CAR. THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT UP. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY
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GIVE IT UP, WHEN THE FIRST PREMIUM COMES IN FOR THE PAYMENT OF INSURANCE AFTER THEY'VE HAD IT. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IS THEY LOOK BACK OVER THE PAST YEAR AND THEY SAY, I'VE LIVED HERE NOW FOR A YEAR. HOW MANY TIMES DID I USE MY CAR? YEAH, HOW MANY TIMES I COULD HAVE CALLED A SON, DAUGHTER OR I, I USED THE JITNEY OR WHATEVER. SURE I DON'T, THIS IS RIDICULOUS TO PAY THAT AMOUNT. SO WHILE SOME OF THEM DO BRING A CAR WITH THEM, YOU SEE A RATHER RAPID DROP OFF AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO. YEAH. WHEN THE INSURANCE PREMIUM BECOMES DUE OR FLAT TIRES BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET USED. MY QUESTION ACTUALLY WAS THE TWO PARTER. THERE WERE THERE ACTUALLY WAS A REASON FOR IT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SPACES FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT ARE THE DRIVEWAYS.VISITORS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SUFFICIENT PARKING JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE FOR VISITORS THAT WOULD WE BELIEVE THERE IS. YOU ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, STAFF, BUT YOUR AVERAGE SIZE OF YOUR SHIFT IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 30 STAFF MEMBERS. OBVIOUSLY, ON CERTAIN HOLIDAYS, WHEN YOU GET TO THANKSGIVING, YOU GET TO THE CHRISTMAS YOU, YOU, YOU'RE THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW. AND IF WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE IT, I KNOW IN ON PAST COMMUNITIES THAT THE THRIVE TEAM HAS IMPLEMENTED VALET PARKING SO THAT THEY CAN PARK MORE CARS IF THEY NEED IT. AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT.
WE'VE LOOKED AT INDUSTRY STANDARD DATA FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, AND THE 190 SPACES IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT IT DATA WOULD SUGGEST FOR AN AVERAGE PARKING. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF A CHUNK OF THEM ARE INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HELP VISITORS TOO MUCH UNLESS THEY PARK IN PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS. AND SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE WE DISAGREE SLIGHTLY BETWEEN ME AND JOSH ON THE ACTUAL HOW THEY'RE CALCULATED, REGARDLESS, THEY MEET ALL OF THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH VISITOR PARKING. YEAH.
OKAY. JUST JUST CURIOUS, MR. VOGEL, ONE QUESTION. IN MR. FISHER'S MEMO UNDER PEDESTRIAN PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS WHICH INDICATE ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
DID YOU ARE YOU SATISFIED, THOUGH, THAT YOU HAVE THE CLARIFICATION YOU NEED? AS FAR AS THE SIGNS, I BELIEVE THEY TEST, THEY. MR. SEWELL AGREED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE. IT'S A LOT OF. IT IS JUST CHANGING OUT THE SIGN THEY HAD ON THE PLAN FOR THE CORRECT ONE. OKAY. AND NUMBER 15, HOW HOW WILL THE EXTERIOR DOORS FOR THE INDEPENDENT LIVING COTTAGES, DO THEY OPEN ONTO A PATIO OR A CONCRETE THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MY JUNE 15TH MEMO THAT THAT WAS A. THEY DID ADDRESS IT WHEN THEY REVISED THE PLANS, THEY ADDED.
GOT IT. SIDEWALK SECTIONS ON THE EXTERIOR DOORS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THRIVE ITSELF. YOU MENTIONED THE JITNEY. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO JITNEY, BUT IS THERE ANY TRANSPORTATION THAT YOU PROVIDE YOUR RESIDENTS IF THEY'RE GOING GROCERY SHOPPING? LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S PROVIDED BY THRIVE? WE WOULD HAVE ONE PASSENGER VEHICLE AND ONE VAN THAT IS AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS ON A RESERVATION BASIS, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST SITTING OUT THERE AND SOMEBODY JUMPS IN. IF THERE'S SOMEBODY SIGNS UP FOR THEN, THEN WE WILL PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION EITHER TO MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS OR TO GO SHOPPING OR TAKE THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A TRANSPORTATION SURVEY, AND WE'VE REALIZED TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS IN THIS TOWNSHIP AND ADDING MORE PEOPLE WHO NEED TRANSPORTATION. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN TO US. BUT THANK YOU. AND THEN ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, THERE WAS JUST MENTIONED ABOUT LIKE BENCHES, PLACES TO SIT. ARE THEY SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? THERE WILL BE SOME SITE FURNISHINGS OUTSIDE OF THE COURTYARD, BUT THAT COURTYARD IS DESIGNED TO BE A SOCIAL GATHERING PLACE. WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF GATHERING SPACES, SEATING, FIRE PITS, WATER FEATURES. EXCELLENT. OKAY. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC. SO WE WILL NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE SOME. AS A MEMBER OF MONTGOMERY EMS, I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT AMBULANCE SERVICE. MONTGOMERY EMS HAS MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH
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A COUPLE OF OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES IN TOWN THAT TO LIMIT CALLS TO 911 TO TRUE EMERGENCIES, I.E. THE HEALTH PROBLEM IS A VERY SERIOUS ONE. IF IT'S MERELY A MATTER OF TIME, THEN WAIT FOR THE COMMERCIAL AMBULANCE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SPRAIN YOUR ANKLE MAY HURT LIKE HELL, BUT IT'S NOT LIFE THREATENING. AND SO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL 911. YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL YOUR COMMERCIAL AMBULANCE SERVICE IS AVAILABLE, EVEN IF IT MEANS WAITING FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS. YEAH. ARE YOU ARE YOU GOING TO BE WILLING TO ARRIVE AT THE SAME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT? I WOULD SAY THIS I'M NOT PART OF THE OPERATIONS TEAM, BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS THAT THEY ASSESS THE SITUATION AND WILL RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. I THINK THAT COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS, AT LEAST THE WAY THE THRIVE TEAM RUNS THEM, IT ACTUALLY LIMITS THAT, BECAUSE IF THESE PEOPLE WERE LIVING BY THEMSELVES OR INDEPENDENTLY, ANYTIME THEY HAVE AN INJURY OR FALL, THEY'RE EITHER CALLING 911 THEMSELVES OR THEY'RE CALLING THEIR CHILDREN WHO CAN'T GET THERE AND SAY, WELL, JUST CALL 911 SO YOU'RE SAFE. SO WE HAVE CAREGIVERS THAT ARE ON SITE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS THAT THE D O, T, D O IMPARTS UPON THEM AS OPERATORS, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO. SO IF THEY SEE THAT A SITUATION IS AN EMERGENCY AND OUR EMS SERVICE CAN'T GET THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL EMS SYSTEM. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THE NATURE OF THE INJURY IS. AND IF IT'S MINOR, THEY'LL EITHER WAIT FOR THAT AMBULANCE OR IN SOME CASES, THEY'VE EVEN USED THE VEHICLES TO TAKE THEM TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM OR A HOSPITAL. ANOTHER QUESTION DO ANY OF THESE RESIDENTS ACT AS SATISFYING MONTGOMERY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YES. SO PER THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE AGREED TO HAVE 20 MEDICAID ELIGIBLE BEDS ON SITE THERE IN TEN UNITS THAT ARE CREATED AS JACK AND JILL TYPE UNITS, WHERE THE. EACH RESIDENT WILL HAVE THEIR OWN. THEY'LL COME IN THROUGH A COMMON FOYER. THEN THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN STUDIO WITH A BATHROOM AND A SMALL KITCHENETTE. PER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REGULATIONS OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. AS LONG AS THOSE TWO RESIDENTS LIVING IN THAT UNIT ARE NOT RELATED, THEY'RE PERMITTED TO COUNT TOWARDS YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT'S THE INTENT HERE. IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN HERE AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'LL BE DEED RESTRICTED FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT AND THOSE DEED RESTRICTS WILL BE RECORDED. THE TOWNSHIP WILL HAVE RECORDS OF THOSE. BUT TO BE ALSO CLEAR, THIS IS NOT THESE WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE FOURTH ROUND HOUSING OBLIGATION. THEY WILL BE FOR FUTURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREDITS IN A FUTURE ROUNDS. AND I NOTICED THAT ON ONE EDGE, YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO A RAILROAD TRACK, RAILROAD TRACK, WHICH I THINK CURRENTLY HAS FAIRLY LOW LEVEL OF UTILIZATION, BUT IN THE FUTURE MAY BECOME A VERY BUSY RAIL LINE. ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO'S APARTMENTS ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TO THAT RAILROAD TRACK? WELL, I'LL AGAIN, I'LL LET THE ARCHITECT ANSWER THAT QUESTION AS FAR AS THINGS THAT WE MAY DO DURING THE DESIGN. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAYOUT OF THE UNITS, BECAUSE THE BUILDING CONFIGURATION IS RUNNING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, THERE'S ONLY A FEW UNITS THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT END OF THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THANKS, TONY. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I BELIEVE WE ARE READY TO TAKE A VOTE THEN TO APPROVE THE. MINOR SUBDIVISION AND PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. DO YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE CONDITIONS? OKAY. NO. YEAH. OF COURSE. SO THE APPLICANTS INDICATE THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS WITH THE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE REVIEW OF OUR STAFF AND CONSULTANTS. AND ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE WILLING TO ADD ADDITIONAL OR BUFFERING OR SCREENING AROUND THE LOADING AREA AND THE UTILITY METERS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO A[01:20:05]
ROLL CALL, PLEASE. CAN YOU REPEAT WHO MOTIONED? I MADE THE MOTION AND AND THE MAYOR MADE THE SECOND. YEAH. OKAY. YES, YES, YES. TAYLOR. TODD. YES. YES, YES. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE TOWNSHIP. YEAH. LOOKS LOOKS GREAT. REALLY DOES BACK HALF OF US MAY END UP THERE. SO YEAH, EXACTLY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE CARS AND DRIVEWAYS AND THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK IT'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE PLAN WE HAVE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT MONTGOMERY WILL BE PROUD OF. WE ARE PROUD TO BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND BUILD SUCH A FACILITY. WE AGREE, WE AGREE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS THE MINUTES TO THE[V. MINUTES]
JUNE 8TH, 2026 REGULAR SESSION. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES. YES. SINGH. YES. TODD. YES. LOFFLER. YES. YES. THANK YOU.NEXT ITEM IS JUNE 8TH, 2026. CLOSED CLOSED SESSION MINUTES. HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. SECOND SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE.
YES YES YES YES YES. SHARMA. YES. OKAY. SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT. IS THERE ANYTHING TO UPDATE
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MARVIN AT THIS POINT? I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS WE HAVE CNG SUBSTATION, BLOOMBERG WALKING PATHS, THE ECON DEVELOPMENT CORP. AND 23 ORCHARD ROAD REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.OUR NEXT MEETING WILL IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 10TH AT 7 P.M. AS WELL AS AUGUST 24TH, 7 P.M. AND THEN A SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 4TH AT 8:30 A.M. AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL
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