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ALRIGHT. CAN YOU DING DING. THIS IS IT. ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS
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THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, NEW JERSEY, SOMERSET COUNTY.THIS IS OUR REGULAR MEETING ON APRIL 24TH, 2026. TIME IS NOW 7 P.M. IT'S THE ZONING BOARD INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. I HOPE IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN THAT. EARLIER THAN THAT. ALRIGHT. THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER. OPENING STATEMENT HERE. THE UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT AND PL 2025 C 72. NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND ON THE MUNICIPAL WEBSITE. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? HERE. FRIENDS HERE. WALMART. HERE.
WOULD. HERE. MION HERE. ZALESKI HERE. HERE. HERE. GEORGIE. PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. MR. MAYOR, CAN YOU LEAD US IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG, PLEASE? ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE MEETING TO
[IV. PUBLIC COMMENT]
PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE FIRST STAB AT A PUBLIC COMMENT. THE BOARD CAN MAKE COMMENTS TO AND I'M GOING TO USE THIS TIME, SINCE IT'S THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SIGNING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, TO READ A PORTION OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE MY PUBLIC COMMENT. SO LISTEN UP. THIS IS THE DECLARATION. THESE ARE REBELLIOUS WORDS. WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS, IT BECOMES NECESSARY FOR ONE PEOPLE TO DISSOLVE THE POLITICAL BANDS WHICH HAVE CONNECTED THEM WITH ANOTHER, AND TO ASSUME AMONG THE POWERS OF THE EARTH THE SEPARATE AND EQUAL STATION TO WHICH THE LAWS OF NATURE AND NATURE'S GOD ENTITLE THEM. A DECENT RESPECT TO THE OPINIONS OF MANKIND REQUIRES THAT THEY SHOULD DECLARE THE CAUSES WHICH IMPEL THEM TO THE SEPARATION. WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS AMONG THEM. THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, THAT TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, GOVERNMENTS ARE INSTITUTED AMONG MEN, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, THAT WHENEVER THESE.THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE A NEW GOVERNMENT, LAYING ITS FOUNDATION ON SUCH PRINCIPLES, AND ORGANIZING ITS POWERS IN SUCH FORM AS TO THEM, SHALL SEEM MOST LIKELY TO EFFECT THEIR SAFETY AND HAPPINESS. PRUDENCE, INDEED, WILL DICTATE THAT GOVERNMENTS LONG ESTABLISHED SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED FOR LIGHT AND TRANSIENT CAUSES, AND ACCORDINGLY, ALL EXPERIENCE HATH SHOWN THAT MANKIND ARE MORE DISPOSED TO SUFFER, WHILE EVILS ARE SUFFERABLE THAN TO RIGHT THEMSELVES BY ABOLISHING THE FORMS THAT THEY ARE ACCUSTOMED.
BUT WHEN THE LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND USURPATIONS, PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT, EVINCES A DESIGN TO REDUCE THEM UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT, AND TO PROVIDE NEW GUARDS FOR THEIR FUTURE SECURITY. I'M GOING TO ADD THAT 1776 IS NOW PLAYING AT THE PAPER MILL PLAYHOUSE IN MILLBURN. IT'S WONDERFUL, AND I GOT IT. IT'S ONE OF THE BETTER PRODUCTIONS OF. IT'S MY THIRD TIME SEEING A PRODUCTION. ONE OF THE BEST PRODUCTIONS OF 1776 I'VE EVER SEEN. SUPPORT ALL ABOUT THE THE WRITING AND THE SIGNING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. IT'S. IT.
PLAYHOUSE. PAPER. MILL. SPORT. LOCAL. THEATER. SPORT. ALL THEATER. YEAH. ALL THEATER.
THAT'S RIGHT. ALRIGHT, NOW TO THE BUSINESS. AND UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER
[V. APPLICATION]
COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. ALRIGHT. THE APPLICATION BEFORE US IS BE A TECH ZERO ONE TECH 26 THE APPLICANT IS ED WOLSKI, BLOCK 7071, LOT 22. IT'S A BULK VARIANCE. THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPLICATION IS JULY 30TH, 2026. AN AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION OF PUBLICATION WAS REQUIRED. MISTER APPLICANT. ATTORNEY. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS MIKE OGRODNICK. I'M AN ATTORNEY AT LAW FIRM IN SOMERVILLE, NEW JERSEY, AND I REPRESENT ERIC AND EILEEN TARNOWSKI, THE OWNERS OF 66 WOODVIEW DRIVE.TONIGHT, WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT AN APPLICATION TO ADOPT A FAMILY HOME TO THE EVOLVING
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NEEDS OF THE HOUSEHOLD. THIS PROJECT IS DRIVEN BY THREE SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES. FIRST, A COMPASSIONATE, ACCESSIBLE CARE FOR A FAMILY MEMBER, A MOTHER IN LAW VIA A MOTHER IN LAW SUITE THAT'S INTENDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO ALLOW MISSUS TARNOWSKI, EILEEN TARNOWSKI MOTHER TO MOVE IN SECOND, CREATING A THERAPEUTIC, LIGHT FILLED CONSERVATORY THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE ADDITION ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE, IDENTIFIED AS A SUNROOM. AND THIRD, ESTABLISHING A POOL FOR THE FAMILY AND A PURPOSEFUL OUTDOOR KITCHEN. THE TOWNHOUSES HAVE FOUR CHILDREN, AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WITH MOM COMING IN, THEY WANT TO HAVE A SPACE FOR ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS. WE WILL PROVIDE TESTIMONY THAT THIS PROJECT IS WELL PLANNED AND PROFESSIONALLY ENGINEERED, AND IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE R-1 ZONE. THE PROJECT BE A 126, REPRESENTS A PLAN TO MODERNIZE THE TARNOWSKI HOME WITH THE LIVING SPACE, WHICH IS A 632 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENTIAL ADDITION, WHICH INCLUDES THE ACCESSIBLE SUITE FOR THE MOTHER IN LAW OR THE MOTHER DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE, IS ALSO A 330 FOOT SQUARE SUNROOM, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AS A CONSERVATORY TO PROVIDE MRS. TARNOWSKI WITH A TRANQUIL, SUN DRENCHED SPACE FOR HER PERSONAL ENJOYMENT AND WELLNESS FOR LIFESTYLE ENHANCEMENTS TO COMPLETE THIS HOME. THE PLAN INCLUDES A REAR DECK, A REAR PATIO AREA, AN IN-GROUND POOL WITH A WATERFALL, AND WE'RE PROPOSING A 342 SQUARE FOOT BARBECUE PAVILION. THIS IS INTENDED TO FUNCTION AS A FUNCTIONAL OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND BARBECUE BARBECUE AREA FOR MR. TARNOWSKI, WHO IS A CERTIFIED BARBECUE JUDGE, TO PURSUE HIS PERSONAL PASSION AND CRAFT IN A DESIGN SPACE IN A SPACE DESIGNED FOR IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLANS, YOU WILL NOTICE THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE TUCKED INTO THE REAR OF THE DWELLING, SHIELDED FROM WELL, SHIELDED FROM WOODVIEW DRIVE, ENSURING THE VISUAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD REMAINS INTACT. FOR VARIANCES. WERE TO ACHIEVE THIS PLAN, WE'RE SEEKING THE NECESSARY BULK VARIANCE RELIEF. WE BELIEVE THESE REQUESTS ARE REASONABLE, CONSISTENT WITH THE NATURE OF THE ZONE, AND DO NOT REPRESENT ANY SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT TO THE ZONE PLAN. THE VARIANCE THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. THE MAIN VARIANCE IS THE LOT COVERAGE.THE PLANS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED 24% COVERAGE, WHERE 15% IS THE BASELINE, BUT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 4% PERMITTED FOR POOLS. SO IT'S 19%. SO WE'RE ABOUT 5% OVER. WE RECOGNIZE THIS DEPARTURE, BUT WE ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROACTIVELY INCORPORATED A TREMENDOUSLY LARGE AND ADEQUATE STORMWATER RECHARGE SYSTEM. IT'S NOT A SIMPLE DRY WELL. THIS IS A COMPLICATED RECHARGE SYSTEM TO MITIGATE ANY RUNOFF IMPACT, EFFECTUALLY, EFFECTIVELY NEUTRALIZING ANY INCREASE. THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT RELIEF FROM THE 20 FOOT FOOT BUILDING TO BUILDING DISTANCE, WHERE OUR PLANS PROPOSE 16.2FT BETWEEN THE PAVILION AND THE DWELLING ADDITION. THIS ADJUSTMENT ALLOWS FOR MORE EFFICIENT, FUNCTIONAL, EFFICIENT AND FUNCTIONAL USE OF THE REAR YARD SPACE. REDUCES WALKWAYS THAT WOULD ADD IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. SINCE THE REVIEW OF THE PROFESSIONAL MEMOS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH OUR ENGINEER, MR. FORD, TO ADDRESS CERTAIN COMMENTS AND FURTHER REDUCE OR ELIMINATE VARIANCE RELEASE RELIEF OTHERWISE REQUESTED IN THIS APPLICATION, WHICH I'LL HAVE MR. FORD DETAIL IN HIS TESTIMONY AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO INTRODUCE MR. FORD IN HIS CAPACITY AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER TO PROVIDE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE C-2 FLEXIBLE VARIANCE. FURTHERMORE, WE HAVE CLOSELY WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE BOARDS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS RELATED TO THE STORMWATER RECHARGE TO ENSURE NO ADDITIONAL BURDEN IS PLACED ON THE MUNICIPALITY AND PLANNING CONSISTENCY THAT RESPECTS THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. AND WE'LL GET INTO DETAILS ON DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING, MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER FACILITIES, ETC. MY CLIENTS ARE ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC OR THE BOARD MAY HAVE REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND ESTHETICS. WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE POINTS IN OUR TESTIMONY.
WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH NOTICE OF PUBLICATION CERTIFIED MAILINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. WITH ME, AS I MENTIONED, I HAVE MICHAEL FORD FROM VAN CLEEF ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, WHO IS OUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, AND ERIC AND EILEEN TARNOWSKI AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT MR. FORD AND MR. TARNOWSKI BE SWORN IN. OKAY. LET'S GET THEM SWORN IN. AND THE TWO BOARD EXPERTS WE
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HAVE TONIGHT. SO EVERYONE RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND, EVERYONE SWEAR OR AFFIRM OR SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IN THIS MATTER WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. YES, I DO, I DO. YES I DO. OKAY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE WE'RE BEING RECORDED, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? MICHAEL MICHAEL FORD, FORD WITH VAN CLEEF ENGINEERING. AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE APPLICANTS, BOTH ENGINEERING EXPERT AND PLANNING EXPERT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. MR. FORD. OH, GO AHEAD. AND I'M ERIC TARNOWSKI. OKAY. AND YOU ARE THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? JEFF MCMANUS SERVING AS BOARD PLANNER. RAKESH DAJI, BOARD ENGINEER. OKAY. MR. FORD, JUST BRIEFLY, YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. YES, I AM, AND YOU'RE A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. YES. AND YOU'VE TESTIFIED, OF COURSE, AS MANY TIMES AS AN ENGINEER, BUT YOU'VE ALSO TESTIFIED AS A PLANNER. YES. WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU TESTIFIED AND QUALIFIED AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER? LAST WEEK, AND I BELIEVE I WAS AT THIS BOARD ABOUT A MONTH AGO. SO YOU WERE ACCEPTED BY THIS BOARD AS BOTH AN ENGINEERING EXPERT AND A PLANNING EXPERT? YES. FOR THE NASSAU RACKET AND TENNIS CLUB APPLICATION. AND UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, WE'LL ACCEPT HIM AGAIN. ARE THERE ANY IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HERE ON THE APPLICATION BESIDES THE APPLICANTS? THERE'S TWO. YOU GUYS JUST OBSERVING. OH. GOT IT.YEAH. THEY'RE NEARBY RESIDENTS. SO IF YOU DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? WITNESSES QUALIFICATIONS AS AN EXPERT. YES. I JUST WANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION NOT ABOUT THE PLAN, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FORD ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS AS AN ENGINEER OR A PLANNER? OKAY. YOU ACCEPT HIM. WE ACCEPT HIM AS AN EXPERT ENGINEER AND PLANNER. MR. FORD, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE A DESCRIPTION OF THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED SITE CONDITIONS? OKAY. AND WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN? JUST IDENTIFY IF THIS IS PART OF THE PLANS THAT THE BOARD HAS IN FRONT OF IT, OR IF THIS IS AN EXHIBIT. THIS IS AN EXHIBIT.
OKAY. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE EXHIBIT A ONE. AND DO WE HAVE A PAPER COPY OF THAT EXHIBIT YOU CAN HAND OUT? WE DO. AND I CAN HAND THEM OUT. ONE. CAN YOU JUST IDENTIFY THE EXHIBIT BY WHAT IT'S CALLED IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER? YES. OKAY. THEY'RE BOTH ENTITLED VARIANCE PLAN. THE FIRST IS A COLORIZED VERSION OF THE PLAN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION LAST REVISED FEBRUARY 18TH OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN THE SECOND EXHIBIT IS ALSO A VARIANCE PLAN, A COLORIZED VERSION WHICH IS REFLECTS SOME CHANGES WE'VE MADE OVER THE LAST 48 HOURS SINCE WE REVIEW MEMORANDUMS WERE RECEIVED AND THE DATE ON THAT ONE, AND IT'S REVISED APRIL 21ST OF THIS YEAR. SO A ONE IS GOING TO BE THE VARIANCE PLAN DATED FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026.
AND A TWO IS GOING TO BE THE VARIANCE PLAN. LAST REVISED APRIL 21ST, 2026. YES. IT A ONE'S ON THE SCREEN. WE'LL REFER TO A TWO IN A MINUTE. AND IN ADDITION TO THESE ALREADY BEING PROVIDED TO THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND MADE AS PART OF THE RECORD OF THE APPLICATION, WE HAVE REDUCED COPIES OF THE PLAN BEING DISTRIBUTED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. TO ANSWER MR. NICK'S QUESTION, THE EXISTING CONDITION IS AT 66 WOOD VIEW DRIVE. THERE'S A EXISTING DWELLING SITE ACCESS DRIVEWAY DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. TO THE REAR OF THE SITE. THERE'S AN EXISTING DECK AREA. ANOTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
WITH REGARDS TO OUR NEARBY NEIGHBORS, YOU'LL SEE ON THE EXHIBIT OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST OR LEFT PAGE LEFT IS ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WITH A EXISTING IN-GROUND POOL TO THE REAR OF IT, AND THEN OUR NEAREST NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE EAST IS ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE ONE OF OUR MOST IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTHEAST, WITH THEIR IN-GROUND POOL AND THE NORTH ARROW LOOKS LIKE IT'S NORTH ARROWS AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE. YEAH, EAST WOULD BE RIGHT. LEFT WOULD BE
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WEST. THANK YOU. THE SUBSTANCE OF THE APPLICATION IS TO REMOVE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY INSTALL. AND NOW I'LL REFER TO I'LL REFER TO. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE HAVE NOW ON THE SCREEN A TWO WHICH IS THE APRIL 21ST REVISED PLAN. WE'RE PROPOSING TWO ADDITIONS, AS MR. OGRODNIK DESCRIBED AS PART OF THE INTRODUCTION. AT THE REAR LEFT CORNER OF THE EXISTING DWELLING IS THE SUNROOM ADDITION. AT THE REAR RIGHT HAND CORNER IS THE ADDITION FOR THE MOTHER IN LAW SUITE, AND YOU ACTUALLY SEE THIS ON YOUR SCREENS IN FRONT OF YOU TOO. SO WHEN I POINTED SOMETHING, YOU SEE THAT? YES. OKAY. YEAH, THAT POINTER IS VERY HELPFUL. YES. OKAY. AND THEN BETWEEN THE TWO ADDITIONS IS A REPLACEMENT OR NEW WOOD DECK. THAT'S A DECK WITH OPEN SLATS. ALSO, AS PART OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS IS A, A NEW WALKWAY FROM THE DRIVEWAY LEADING TO THE OUTDOOR AMENITIES THAT ARE PART OF THE PROJECT. AND I'LL DESCRIBE THEM NOW. THAT IS THE OUTDOOR COOKING PAVILION DIRECTLY IN BACK OF THE DWELLING, AND THEN THE NEW IN-GROUND POOL ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LOT, OR THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOT. SO THE 632 SQUARE FOOT ROOM IS THE MOTHER IN LAW SUITE, CORRECT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. IF THE 632 SQUARE FOOT SQUARE ADDITION ON THE RIGHT. IS THAT THE MOTHER IN LAW SUITE? YES, YES. 330. RIGHT. AND THEN AS PART OF THE MAYBE I COULD DESCRIBE NOW THE ASPECTS THAT WERE PART OF THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE BECAUSE THEY'LL BE BELOW GRADE, BUT AT THE REAR RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE PROPERTY IS A PROPOSED SUBSURFACE SMALL SCALE INFILTRATION BASIN. AS MR. OGRODNIK DESCRIBED. THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL DRYWALL SITUATION WHERE IT'S A A VAULT IN A BED OF STONE. THIS IS MORE ELABORATE WITH PERHAPS SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SEEN THE ARCH TYPE STRUCTURES THAT PROVIDE FOR THE VOLUME. SO A SERIES OF SIDE BY SIDE ARCHES THAT PROVIDE VOLUME IN A BED OF STONE FOR PROMOTING OF STORMWATER RECHARGE. THIS ONE, WE ACTUALLY STARTED THIS PROCESS SOME TIME AGO BACK IN JUNE OR JULY OF LAST YEAR. AT THAT TIME, ON SITE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, SOIL TESTING WAS PERFORMED AT THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE EXPECTATION AND DESIGN FROM DAY ONE. THE SIZING OF THAT BASIN IS MORE SUBSTANTIVE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH THE TYPICAL DRY WELL AND THE EXISTING DWELLING ROOF. LEADERS AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THAT DRYWELL AND OR SUBSURFACE INFILTRATION BASIN. AND WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD'S ENGINEER REGARDING THAT STRUCTURE AND SOME CHANGES WE CAN MAKE TO PROVIDE AND PROMOTE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF TO THAT AREA, INCLUDING CONNECTING THE ROOF LEADERS FROM THE PAVILION, AS WELL AS SOME RUNOFF FROM THE AREA OF THE POOL. AND WE WOULD GLADLY DO THAT AS PART OF ANY APPROVAL CONDITIONS THIS BOARD MAY GRANT. REGARDING OTHER EXISTING CONDITIONS AND HOW THEY TRANSITION INTO THE PROPOSED CONDITION. YOU'LL SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF EXISTING TREES SURROUNDING THE REAR PROPERTY, INCLUDING BOTH SIDES AND THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S IN EXCESS OF 30 EXISTING TREES ON SITE. AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, ONLY TWO OF THOSE TREES WILL BE REMOVED. I'LL HIGHLIGHT FOR THE BOARD ONE OF THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE SINCE REVIEWING RECEIVING THE REVIEW MEMORANDUMS FROM THE TOWNSHIP PROFESSIONALS IS A SLIGHT MODIFICATION IN THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING POOL THAT IS PUSHING IT A LITTLE FURTHER TOWARD THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH ALLOWED FOR US TO SAVE ONE OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT WAS SLATED FOR REMOVAL. SO OF THE OVER 30 TREES, ONLY TWO[00:20:04]
WILL BE REMOVED, AND THOSE TWO TREES ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING DWELLING AND WOULD PREVENT POTENTIALLY PRESENT EVEN A SAFETY ISSUE BEING THAT CLOSE TO THE DWELLING. AS THEY INCREASE IN SIZE AND GROW THE VARIANCE PLAN THAT'S UP THERE. THIS IS A ONE, CORRECT? NO.HERE, LET ME I SWITCH FROM A1 TO A2. LET ME GO TO A2. HERE'S A HERE BECAUSE YOU HAD HERE'S A1 THAT'S A1. THAT'S RIGHT. HERE'S A2. OKAY. THIS REFLECTS YEAH OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE CORRECT. THIS REFLECTS CONFUSED. LET ME SWITCH. AND ACTUALLY THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THE BOARD. IN THE LAST 48 HOURS SINCE RECEIVING THE REVIEW MEMORANDUMS, ACTUALLY HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS, WE'VE MADE SUBTLE CHANGES. AND YOU'VE YOU FLIPPED FROM ONE EXHIBIT TO THE OTHER. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE REALLY IS ONLY SOME SUBTLE CHANGES IN THE LOCATION OF THE POOL THAT ELIMINATED A POTENTIAL VARIANCE FOR HAVING THE ENTIRE POOL LOCATED WITHIN THE REAR YARD OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS, BY VIRTUE OF THE ADDITIONS BEING AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, THAT ACTUALLY REDUCED OUR REAR YARD AREA, IF YOU WILL. AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT NOW THIS IS THIS IS THE REAR YARD FROM THAT MOST CLOSEST POINT OF THE GUEST ROOM ADDITION TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. AND YOU'LL CAN SEE THAT THAT IS CLOSER TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE THAN THE EXISTING DWELLING. SO THAT ACTUALLY REDUCED THE REAR YARD. AND A PORTION OF THE POOL AS SUBMITTED WAS WITH WITH WAS BEYOND THAT REAR YARD AREA. AND WITH THIS SUBTLE CHANGE IN THE LOCATION OF THE POOL THAT IS CLOSER TO OUR REAR PROPERTY LINE, BUT NO CLOSER TO OUR SIDE PROPERTY LINE NEIGHBORS, WE STILL RESPECT THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL OF A 26 FOOT SETBACK TO OUR SIDE NEIGHBOR, OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST OR LEFT, WHERE THE MINIMUM SETBACK FOR A POOL REQUIRED IS 15FT, AND YOU CAN SEE BOTH AS PART OF THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL AND EVEN THIS SUBTLE CHANGE WERE WELL IN EXCESS OF THAT 15 FOOT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. WITH THE 26 FOOT SETBACK THAT IS PROPOSED WHEN YOU EVENTUALLY GO BACK TO A1, YOU HAVE A LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
LINE A DOTTED LINE ON A1, CORRECT. ON A2, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE LINE.
BUT IS IT THE SAME? IS IT GOING TO BE THE SAME? BASICALLY THE SAME? YES, YES. OKAY. SO FOR MY NOTES, IS IT THE SAME? BASICALLY THE SAME SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME OR THE SAME? WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED GRADING WITH THE CHANGE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE THE ONLY REAL CHANGE IN HERE. LET ME HIGHLIGHT ONE OTHER CHANGE THAT WE MADE IS IF YOU LOOK AND I'LL GO BACK TO A1. YEAH. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A SMALL SHED AT THE REAR LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THAT WAS A 15 BY 20 FOOT, I'M SORRY, 20, A 12 BY 20 FOOT SHED. ONE OF THE OTHER CHANGES WE MADE, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES A FOOTPRINT OF DISTURBANCE WITH IT, IS WE'VE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THAT SHED TO 12 BY 15, AND ACTUALLY PULLED IT A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY FROM OUR REAR PROPERTY LINE. SO THAT INCLUDED THAT ALL INCLUDE A SUBTLE CHANGE IN THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE. OKAY, SO THERE'LL BE MINOR CHANGES. LET ME. IT WAS OUTSIDE THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE ON A1. WELL THE BY VIRTUE OF INSTALLING THE SHED, THERE TECHNICALLY IS A FOOTPRINT WITH THAT DISTURBANCE TO INSTALL IT. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT AT THIS POINT WITH REGARDS TO DISTURBANCE IS ONE OF OUR APPLICATIONS TO OUTSIDE AGENCIES IS THE SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT. WE DID RECEIVE THEIR APPROVAL EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR THE SOIL EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN, BECAUSE WE ARE OVER A 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT DISTURBANCE WITH THE PROJECT, AND WE'LL PROVIDE THE FINAL AMENDED PLAN WITH ANY MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE, AND HAVE THAT RECERTIFICATION ISSUED. IF THERE'S AN APPROVAL, IT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO A CONDITION OF WHAT THE RECERTIFICATION OF THE SOIL EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN. OKAY. AND THEN ALSO ON A1, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE LIKE A RETAINING WALL, MAYBE AROUND THE POOL, BUT AN A2, JUST A FENCE. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S A FENCE AND THERE WAS A DECORATIVE ROCK WALL THERE THAT TECHNICALLY WAS COUNTED AS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. SO AS PART OF OUR MODIFICATIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, WE REMOVED THAT DECORATIVE WALL TO FURTHER REDUCE OUR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. SO TO GET TO THE BIG
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ITEM WITH REGARDS TO IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WE WERE AT 24%. THE PROFESSIONALS REVIEWS HIGHLIGHTED THAT WHILE WE LIST THE DECK ON THE VARIANCE PLAN, WE DON'T INCLUDE IT IN THE OVERALL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. WE HAVE INCLUDED IT IN THE AMENDED COVERAGE, AND WE'VE REDUCED THE ENTIRE TOTAL PROPOSED COVERAGE BY OVER 500FTā !S. AND WE'RE AT NOT 24, BUT 23.6%. WITH THE REVISED PLAN A2. OKAY. SO EVENTUALLY, CAN YOU USE LIKE BETH'S MEMO WHERE SHE HAS ALL THE RELIEF AND JUST TELL US IN ACCORDANCE WITH A2, WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, DEVIATIONS NOW? SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE WAS 24% NOW WITH A2, WHICH 23.6%? CORRECT. AND THEN GO TO HER NEXT PAGE. SHE HAS ITEMS. 3.5 POOL BUFFERING. 3.6 POOL LOCATION, 3.7 HOT TUB LOCATION, AND 3.9 MINIMUM DISTANCE TO A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. SO CAN YOU GO THROUGH THOSE? READ WHAT SHE HAS AND THEN TELL US UNDER A2 WHAT IT WILL BE OKAY WITH REGARDS TO THE FENCE DETAIL. AND THAT'S 3.4. YEAH. DID YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO 3.3. THAT'S THE BULK STANDARDS. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. SO GO TO PAGE FOUR OF. AND FOR THE RECORD WE'RE REFERRING TO AN APRIL 16TH, 2026 REVIEW MEMORANDUM FROM ELIZABETH TO THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. YEP. BACK TO PAGE FOR FENCE DETAILS. YOU NOW COMPLY. WE NEVER DID NOT COMPLY. AND WHATEVER NOTES SHE WOULD ASK THAT WE ADD TO THE PLAN TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE DONE ON A2. OKAY, SO FOR 3.4 A2 SHOWS COMPLIANCE, CORRECT? OKAY.POOL BUFFERING WITH REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPING ACROSS THE STREET FRONTAGE, THE 25 FOOT SCREEN FOR THE POOL FROM THE STREET SHALL COMPLY. OKAY. WE HAVE EXISTING VEGETATION THERE.
NOW, AS I DESCRIBED EARLIER, THE SUBTLE CHANGE IN THE POOL LOCATION ALLOWED US TO KEEP ONE OF THE TREES THAT'S BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE POOL, AND ANY SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING WE WOULD PROVIDE TO THE PROFESSIONAL SATISFACTION. SO AGAIN, I THINK SO IF THE BOARD GRANTS APPROVAL BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT THEY CAN'T APPROVE TONIGHT, THE CONDITION SHOULD BE REVISED. THE PLANS TO CONFORM WITH EXHIBIT A2. CORRECT. SO THE INFORMATION YOU'RE NOW GIVING WOULD BE IF THE PLANS WERE REVISED TO COMPLY WITH A2, THEN 3.5 WOULD COMPLY. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. PAUL. LOOK. JONATHAN SIX. POOL LOCATION THREE SIX.
BY VIRTUE OF SHIFTING THE SUBTLE SHIFT FURTHER TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, THE POOL IS ENTIRELY LOCATED WITHIN THE REAR YARD AND COMPLIES, SO NO RELIEF IS REQUIRED WITH REGARDS TO THE POOL LOCATION. WITH REGARDS TO THREE SEVEN THE HOT TUB, WE AGREE TO COMPLY. AS PART OF ANY CONDITION THIS BOARD MAY GRANT WITH REGARDS TO THE PROTECTION OF THE HOT TUB.
OKAY, SO ON A2, DOES IT COMPLY NOW OR THAT'S. YEAH. ALSO I HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT WILL SAY MAKE CHANGES TO COMPLY. OR DOES A2 SHOW A COMPLYING. YES, WE BELIEVE IT DOES. LET ME AND AND PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT ARE CITED. 16-5.15B SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES COMMENTS OR CRITERIA WITH REGARDS TO NOT JUST POOLS, BUT SPECIFICALLY HOT TUBS AND THE PROTECTION OF HOT TUBS. THIS COMMENT IN THE PLANNER REVIEW SAYS PUT A FENCE AROUND IT. THE TOWN CODE SAYS THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS A CAP OVER IT. MANY PEOPLE MAY SEE ON PEOPLE'S DECKS. THEY PUT HOT TUBS AND HAVE A TOP ON IT TO SEAL IT, AND THAT'S PER NOT A ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CRITERIA, BUT A CONSTRUCTION CRITERIA. WE'LL ADD NOTES TO THE P EXACTLY WHAT SAYS IT SAYS IN THE CODE AND AGREE TO SATISFY NOT ONLY TO THE PLANNER'S SATISFACTION, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION CODE OFFICIAL SATISFACTION, WHICH IS WHAT'S CITED IN THE LAND USE CODE OF THE TOWNSHIP. OKAY, SO ON THAT ONE, I DO HAVE TO. IT'S NOT
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THAT A2 SHOWS A COMPLIES. I HAVE TO SAY REVISE ADD NOTES TO PROVE COMPLIANCE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CORRECT? 3838 REFERS TO SEPARATION CRITERIA TO AN ON SITE SEPTIC SYSTEM OR SEPTIC TANK. THE PROPERTY IS SERVICED BY AN EXISTING BI PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER, SO THERE ARE NO EXISTING SEPTIC FACILITIES ON THE SITE. SO THE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED IS IN COMPLIANCE ITEM THREE NINE. WITH REGARDS TO THE SEPARATION BETWEEN TWO STRUCTURES AS SUBMITTED. AND THIS IS ON A1, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PAVILION AND THE MOTHER IN LAW SUITE WAS 16.2FT. AS PART OF THE MODIFICATIONS WE'VE MADE OVER THE. LET ME FIND THE EXHIBIT AGAIN. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A2? YES, I AM, HERE IT IS. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE MADE A SUBTLE CHANGE AND SHIFT IN THE LOCATION OF THE PAVILION TO COMPLY WITH THE 20 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN STRUCTURES. SO THAT INITIAL RELIEF THAT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION CAN BE ELIMINATED BY VIRTUE OF THE MODIFICATIONS ALREADY REFLECTED ON A2. NOW COMPLIES. YOU'RE SAYING CORRECT. AND THEN 310 WITH REGARDS TO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING HEIGHT, THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED COMPLIES. AND WE'LL ADD WHATEVER ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATIONS OR NOTES THAT THE PROFESSIONALS WOULD LIKE ON THE VARIANCE PLAN TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE. BUT I THINK ALREADY, BY VIRTUE OF THE ZONING SCHEDULE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE VARIANCE PLAN, WE IDENTIFIED THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND THAT THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES AND NOTES TO PROVE COMPLIANCE. YES. OKAY. SO, MR. DRILL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT ME TO GO TO IN THIS MEMO OR SHOULD I COME BACK TO WHAT'S THE ONLY RELIEF, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. THAT'S IT. THAT IS IT. AND WE WERE AT 24 AND NOW WE'RE AT 23.6. YEAH.MR. FORD, IF I MAY, I THINK THAT YOU'RE UNDERSELLING THE THE REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS COVER BECAUSE YOU HAD NOT ACCOUNTED FOR THE DECK ORIGINALLY. SO CAN YOU JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE DETAIL? BECAUSE I THINK OUR MEMO HAD INDICATED YOU WERE AT 24%, BUT THE DECK WAS NOT INCLUDED. SO PERHAPS IT WAS 24 POINT SOMETHING THAT'S GONE DOWN TO 23.6. IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. ACTUALLY THAT'LL BE GOOD. WHAT'S THE. YEAH ON THE RECORD. YEAH. TECHNICALLY WITH THE DECK INCLUDED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, WE WERE CLOSER TO 24.8. SO WE BASICALLY GOING FROM EXHIBIT A ONE TO A TWO. YOU WENT DOWN TO FROM 24.8 TO 23.6. SO OVER A 1% REDUCTION. AND, AND THE NUMBERS ARE REFLECTED ON BOTH EXHIBITS, EVEN A1, THE INITIAL APPLICATION IDENTIFIED THE SIZE OF THE DECK AND SPECIFICALLY SAID IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL CALCULATION. BUT WHEN YOU INCLUDE IT IN THE OVERALL CALCULATION, IT'S IT'S 24.8.
SO THAT'S IT. IS THERE ANY OTHER TRAIL? I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS FOR. SO THE. SO THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS THE ONLY RELIEF WE'RE DOWN TO. THAT'S BEEN FURTHER REDUCED. I'VE DESCRIBED THE LANDSCAPE FEATURES AND AS A CONDITION THAT THE BOARD MAY GRANT. WE'VE ALREADY SHOWN ON THE PLAN MITIGATION MEASURES FOR THE TREE MITIGATION. THAT IS, THE TREES TO BE REMOVED TO BE REPLACED WITH SUPPLEMENTAL PLANTINGS. THERE'S EIGHT PLANNING SHOWN ON THE PLAN. IF THERE'S OTHER. AND THERE'S ALSO ON THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED, HIGHLIGHTED AREAS WHERE THERE WOULD BE LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD
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BE PART OF A VERY NICE LOOKING OUTSIDE AMENITY LIKE THIS, SUCH AS AREAS FOR SHRUBS AND LANDSCAPING. AND WE WOULD AGREE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT WE SATISFY ANY SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OF THE TOWN, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY CITED IN YOUR CODE WITH REGARDS TO SCREENING OF OUTDOOR POOLS. WITH REGARDS TO STORMWATER, AGAIN TIED TO THE ONLY RELIEF REQUESTED THAT REMAINS. THAT IS THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL STORMWATER MITIGATION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY TAKING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 24% AND 15%, NOT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 24% AND THE ALLOWABLE 19%, WHICH THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR. WHEN YOU HAVE A PROJECT WITH A POOL. SO YOU CAN SEE EVEN THE DIFFERENCE IS BACK TO THE UNDERLYING 15% THAT MR. OGRODNIK HIGHLIGHTED AS PART OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THE APPLICATION. ALL OF OUR. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE AGAIN TO ME? I'M SORRY. EXPLAIN THAT ONE AGAIN. THE. THE STORMWATER REDUCTION STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS FOR THE FACILITY THAT'S PROPOSED. AND THIS IS PART OF THE DESIGN.WE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, WHAT WE ENTITLED A DRYWALL ANALYSIS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PROFESSIONALS IS TO TAKE CREDIT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND DON'T JUST SIMPLY REFER TO IT AS A DRYWALL, BUT A, A SUBSURFACE INFILTRATION BASIN. AND THAT WAS LAST REVISED FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026. THAT'S ON RECORD AND PART OF THE APPLICATION. AND TO COME TO THE SIZING OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY, WE USED THE DIFFERENCE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE BETWEEN 24 AND 15. SO THE THAT INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OVER THE UNDERLYING 15% THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE R-1 ZONE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO ME? DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY IS MEANT TO MITIGATE DOWN TO WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AT 15%? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL YOU. OKAY, OKAY. I SAID IT BACKWARDS. NO, I, I, I GOT IT.
NO, NO, WE WERE, WE WERE FIGURING IT OUT. IT WAS, THEY WERE FOLLOWING IT LIKE. YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY. AND I WOULD LEAVE IT TO YOUR BOARD PROFESSIONALS. THERE WAS ANY COMMENT THAT THE PROPOSAL WAS NOT ADEQUATE OR INSIGNIFICANT. I THINK JUST THE OPPOSITE.
RIGHT. BUT YOU DESIGNED THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, ROBUST, ROBUSTLY TO ACT ALMOST AS IF THERE'S 15% LOT COVERAGE RATHER THAN 24% LOT COVERAGE. WELL, RATHER THAN 19% RATHER THAN 19. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. 9% INCREASE, NOT JUST THE 4% INCREASE. JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED THE WAY YOU DESIGNED IT, BUT OUR ORDINANCE ACTUALLY DOES REQUIRE THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE AT 19%, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOR THAT 4%. SO. RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT NOW THAT THAT COULD BE IN THE FORM OF A SWALE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A SWALE HERE. WE'RE PROPOSING A SIGNIFICANT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FEATURE. I DO AGREE THAT THE SYSTEM THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS QUITE A BIT MORE ELABORATE THAN WHAT WE SEE FROM MANY APPLICATIONS. OKAY. WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT IS MORE THAN REQUIRED? IT IS. GOT IT. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TWIST HIS ARM FOR IT. I'M SORRY. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TWIST YOUR ARM. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO TWIST YOUR ARM FOR IT. NO, HE WAS GIVING YOU A COMPLIMENT. RIGHT? THANK YOU. MIKE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRESTLE ME FIRST TO. THAT'S ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. I ONE OF THE ONE OF THE COMPANY MISSIONS. IF YOU COME INTO OUR MAIN OFFICE IN HILLSBOROUGH, THE TOP ONE IS DO THE RIGHT THING. I'M GETTING A CHILL, CHILL SHARING THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN MY MANTRA FOR OVER 35 YEARS. AND
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BACK TO THE INITIAL PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. I HAPPENED TO BE PART OF A BOY SCOUT TROOP, AND OUR TROOP NUMBER IS 1776. OH THAT'S NEAT, THAT'S COOL. AND I'M MISSING A TROOP MEETING RIGHT NOW. OH, MAN. HILLSBOROUGH. WE MEET AT THE NESHANIC REFORMED CHURCH. IT'S OVER 270 YEARS OLD. IT'S IT'S A GREAT. AND THE BOYS GET TO DRESS UP AS MILITIA AND SHOOT BLACK POWDER RIFLES. OH, MAN. THAT'S THAT'S AMAZING. YOU'RE MISSING A BIG ONE. THREE YEARS AGO, WERE YOU? STEVE ABRAMO? YES. HE WAS OUR WORLD. YEAH. PROUD PARENT OF TWO BOY SCOUTS THAT ARE EAGLE SCOUTS FROM THAT TROOP. YEAH, AS AN EAGLE SCOUT MYSELF, MIKE, I THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, ABIDING BY THAT CODE OVER 35 YEARS. SO YEAH. THE BOYS ARE DONE. THEY'RE GROWING UP AND OUT OF IT AND I'M STILL DOING IT. IN FACT, I AM TRYING TO CONVINCE MYSELF I'M READY TO DO A, A A A T BACKPACKING TRIP IN GEORGIA AT THE END OF MAY. AND I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF THE BOYS WILL CARRY SOME OF MY STUFF THIS TIME. YOU KNOW, I DID A BIKE TRIP WITH TWO OF MY SONS FROM CALIFORNIA TO ARIZONA AND JUST ACROSS THE BORDER. THEY CARRIED SOME OF MY STUFF.YEAH. NO, NO. YEAH. NO THANK YOU. SO I, I THINK WE, WE ADVANCE THE INITIATIVES IN THE MASTER PLAN BY RECOGNIZING THE NEED FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING THAT THAT DISCOURAGES SPRAWL AND ALLOWS A FAMILY TO, TO GROW AND LIVE TOGETHER. WE'VE MITIGATED FOR THE ANY POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS BY VIRTUE OF THE SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING AND. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT THE WRONG WAY FOR YOU, MR. DRILL. THE I THE SUBSTANTIVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY, ENHANCED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, ENHANCED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. WE'VE MADE CHANGES BY VIRTUE OF THE REVIEW MEMOS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT I THINK EVEN BETTER IMPLEMENT THE PROPOSAL WHILE RECOGNIZING THE TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS AND ELIMINATING RELIEF. BOTH THE SEPARATION OF BUILDINGS, BUT ALSO THE LOCATION OF THE POOL, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING FOR THE SAME SUBSTANTIAL SETBACKS TO EVEN OUR NEAREST NEIGHBOR. WITH THE POOL BEING AT 26FT. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN GIVE ME LIKE A REFERENCE IN THE MASTER PLAN TO THE PURPOSE? RECOGNIZING THE NEEDS OF HOUSING THAT ALLOWS FAMILIES TO LIVE TOGETHER, LIVE TOGETHER, SOMETHING TO CITE IN THE RESOLUTION SO I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN TO TRY TO FIND IT MYSELF. IN THE MASTER PLAN REEXAMINATION DATED 2017, IT REFERS TO THE 2008 VERSION AND OBJECTIVE GOAL FIVE IS TO RECOGNIZE THE HOUSING OBLIGATION OF THE MUNICIPALITY, BUT ATTEMPTING TO PREVENT SPRAWL AND MAINTAINING DEVELOPMENT WITH A MIXED BALANCE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE MADE OUT OF THAT IS THE MIXED BALANCE OF, IN THIS CASE, GENERATIONAL LIVING, NOT JUST DIFFERENT TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, HOUSING TYPES, BUT WITHIN A HOUSE ITSELF. YEAH. WHAT PAGE IN THAT 2017 MASTER PLAN? RE-EXAM, I THINK IT WAS PAGE EIGHT. I CAN PROVIDE THE EXACT REFERENCE, ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD DO THAT IN THIS, EMAIL IT TO ME. THAT WOULD APPRECIATE IT. SO AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE MLUL, WE BELIEVE THIS PROMOTES PURPOSE. I MOST SIGNIFICANTLY BY PROVIDING OR PROMOTING A DESIRABLE ENVIRONMENTAL VISUAL. VIEW THROUGH CREATIVE DESIGN AND TECHNIQUES. SO WE'RE PROVIDING PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO SEE IT. HOW ABOUT TWO A GENERAL WELFARE LATCHING ON TO THAT, I WAS GOING OUT OF ORDER AGAIN. OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING. YEAH. AND AND I WOULD SAY TO A. YEAH. OR ACTUALLY AND ALSO WE PROVIDE ADEQUATE LIGHT AIR AND OPEN SPACE. IF I JUST CHOSE TWO WAY GENERAL WELFARE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, ARE YOU? NOT AT ALL. OKAY. NOW THE LANDSCAPING SAID SO THERE WAS A
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LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY. SO CAN YOU JUST PUT THAT THING UP ON THE SCREEN TO SHOW THESE GUYS THAT? BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT IF THERE'S AN APPROVAL, IT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO MAKING ANY REVISIONS TO COMPLY WITH THIS PLAN BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY CAN'T APPROVE THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS SUBMITTED TONIGHT, BUT THEY COULD APPROVE A PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED SUBJECT TO A CONDITION TO INCORPORATE THIS. YEAH. THE PLAN YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE INITIAL PLAN DEVELOPED BY THE APPLICANT'S PROFESSIONAL THAT DESIGNS THE POOL IN THE OUTDOOR SPACE, AND IT'S REFERENCED ON THE VARIANCE PLAN. IT WAS SUBMITTED. IT WAS PART OF OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL. I THINK TODAY IT WAS JUST SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY. AND THIS REFLECTS THIS IS CONSISTENT BASICALLY WITH EXHIBIT A, ONE WHERE YOU SEE THE REAR OF THE ADDITION. THIS THIS ONE'S DATED APRIL 2025. THIS IS THE ONE THAT THAT GOT SUBMITTED TODAY. THIS IS A HARD COPY OF IT. DO YOU WANT TO MIKE, CAN YOU TAKE TODAY'S. YEAH.THIS WAS SUBMITTED TODAY ELECTRONICALLY. YEAH. WHEN YOU SAY SUBMITTED TODAY IT WAS IT WAS REQUESTED BY THE THE TOWN STAFF TO PROVIDE IT ELECTRONICALLY. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WAS THAT PLAN WAS IS PART OF THE FILE BEFORE TODAY. YEAH THAT WOULD THE BOARD SECRETARY SAYS NO THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE SEEING IT. THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME. I SUSPECT IT'S GOT A TYPO IN THE DATE AND IT MIGHT JUST BE APRIL 2026. YEAH. THIS IS OH, SO THAT HAS A TYPO ON IT, RIGHT? THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS REFERENCED WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE, THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL OF A ONE. OKAY. SO WHERE IS THAT? I THINK IT'S JUST A TYPO IN THE DATE. IT'S NOT A NEW PLAN. IT'S NOT A NEW PLAN THAT IS INTENDED TO SUPERSEDE A1 OR A2. OKAY. I DON'T WHAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING THAT AS SOMETHING TO BE PART OF THE RECORD AS FAR AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BECAUSE A2 SUPERSEDES THAT PLAN AND A1 SUPERSEDED THAT PLAN.
MR. DRILL OKAY. SO WE USED YEAH, IT WAS EIGHT COPIES OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED UNDER SEPARATE COVER. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE IT. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK ON THE VARIANCE PLAN IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. YEAH, IT IT REFERENCES A LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE BOARD SECRETARY IS SAYING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN REFERENCED IN NOTE THREE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE VARIANCE PLAN WAS NEVER SUBMITTED. IT'S IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY WHEN YOU YOU'RE READING THE THE REFERENCE LET ME LET ME IT SAYS LANDSCAPE CONCEPT. YES. LANDSCAPE. IT'S NOT A LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT DOESN'T SPECIFY ANY PLANTINGS. IT'S A, IT'S A IT'S A CONCEPT FOR LANDSCAPE, BOTH HARDSCAPE AND PLANTING AREAS. IT WAS USED TO DEVELOP THE VARIANCE PLAN.
AND I BELIEVE THERE. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S A TYPO ON IT THAT IT REFERENCES APRIL OF 2026, BUT IT'S 2025. SO YOU UNDERSTAND, ACCORDING TO THE BOARD SECRETARY, THERE WAS A TRANSMITTAL THAT SAID IT WAS. THAT SAID, WHAT WAS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS BEING TRANSMITTED? WAS THIS LANDSCAPE, THIS LANDSCAPE CONCEPT, TARNOWSKI RESIDENCE, ACCORDING TO THE BOARD SECRETARY, THEY NEVER GOT IT. THEY NEVER GOT I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT. I'M NOT DISPUTING IT. I'M ASKING THIS THING THAT I GAVE TO MIKE OGRODNIK TO SHOW TO YOU. IS THIS THE PLAN THAT WAS REFERENCED IN THAT TRANSMISSION? YES. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS PLAN HAS BEEN SUPERSEDED BY A2. THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. OKAY. AND A2 SHOWS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING. YES. OKAY. SO CAN WE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE YOU MIGHT NEED A 5 OR 10 MINUTE RECESS. SO BETH AND MIKE FORD CAN TALK BECAUSE BETH IS THE BOARD'S LANDSCAPE EXPERT.
BUT MR. DRILL, THE LANDSCAPING FROM A1 TO A2 IS NOT CHANGED. ALL THE EXISTING TREES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ON THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026 VARIANCE PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL STAMP APPROVAL FOR, SHOW THE EXISTING TREES AND THE PROPOSED TREES EXACTLY THE SAME WAY A2 DOES. WE DIDN'T TAKE WE DIDN'T ADD ANY NEW EXISTING TREES. DO ME A FAVOR. SHOW ME WHICH OF THE EXISTING AND WHICH OF THE PROPOSED ON A2. I'LL DO IT RIGHT ON THE HIGHLIGHTED.
HERE'S. HERE'S THE HIGHLIGHTED. THIS IS A1, RIGHT. ALL THE DARKER GREEN TREES THAT ARE
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HIGHLIGHTED ARE EXISTING TREES. AND THESE NON DARK TREES SEE THAT DARK CIRCLE MR. DRILL? WHERE I'M POINTING RIGHT NOW LOOK LIKE THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. THAT'S MY LISTEN.MY EARS, MY EARS WENT. I GOT HEARING AIDS. MY VOICE WENT LOUDER. NOW THEY'RE NOT ON.
THAT'S WHAT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON A1. I CAN'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED EXISTING. A2 DOESN'T EXIST. OKAY, SECOND TIME I THOUGHT IT. OKAY, SO WHERE ARE THE PROPOSED? ARE THEY SHOWN ANYWHERE? THEY'RE ON THE OTHER ONE. THEY'RE RIGHT HERE. YEAH, THEY'RE ON A1. A1 YEAH, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. OKAY, SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A1 AND A2 IS THERE WERE TWO TREES SHOWN ON A1. THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE'S TWO BLANK CIRCLES THAT ARE NOT ON A2. WHAT WERE THE BLANK CIRCLES? A1 WE JUST STATED THE BLANK CIRCLES ARE THE PROPOSED TREES THAT WERE ON THAT ARE ON A1. THE EIGHT TREES. THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO. CHANGING THE PROPOSED TREE LOCATIONS ON A2. A2 IS A COLOR EXHIBIT WE DID TODAY TO. TO REFLECT WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PARTNER, THE PROFESSIONALS OVER THE LAST 48 HOURS SINCE WE RECEIVED THE THE REVIEW MEMOS. ALL RIGHT. SO TELL ME IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT WHILE THE PLANS ARE GOING TO BE REVISED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH A2, EXCEPT THE LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE THAT REFLECTED ON A1. RIGHT. AND AND ACTUALLY THE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO THAT IS THAT CORRECT? I THOUGHT I HAD IT I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS STRAIGHT UNTIL THAT LAST STATEMENT. I SO THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THIS IS THIS IS A1. IT SHOWS THE EIGHT PROPOSED TREES. AND THIS IS YOUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN A2 IS THE OTHER COLORIZED AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
THE BLACK AND WHITE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS EMAILED TODAY IS NO LONGER RELEVANT. CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. GOT IT. SO A2 IS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. CAN WE GO TO A1 JUST TO OR A WE'RE ON A1 THAT'S CAN I JUST ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. A2, A2 JUST INADVERTENTLY DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING TURNED ON WITH THE BLACK SQUARE, THE CIRCLES. OKAY, SO YOU'RE ON ON A1. I'M COUNTING ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR NEW TREES. IS THAT CORRECT? THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION HAD EIGHT PROPOSED TREES. MR. DRO, WHERE IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION? ALL THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE.
THIS IS NOT A NEW EXHIBIT. THERE WAS A LANDSCAPE PLAN PROVIDED BACK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON YOUR COMPUTER. HERE. LET ME GIVE YOU MY FILE. THIS IS A COPY OF EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE BOARD WEBSITE. CAN YOU JUST LOOK AT MY STUFF AND FIND ME THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? CAN I COPY THE LETTER? RIGHT. GO AHEAD. AS PART OF THE RECORD, THERE WAS A PLAN ENTITLED TREE MITIGATION PLAN DATED OCTOBER 2ND, 2025, LAST REVISED. THAT'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. OKAY. YES. FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026. TREE. IT SHOWS ALL THE EXISTING TREES.
IT SHOWS THE TREES TO BE REMOVED AND IT SHOWS THE TREE MITIGATION TREES TO REPLACE THE EXISTING TREES TO BE REMOVED. HOLD ON. YOU HAVE A TWO MINUTE. THERE'S A THING CALLED A TREE MITIGATION PLAN AND IT'S ON. CAN YOU CHECK TO SEE IF THE TREE MITIGATION PLAN IS ON THE WEBSITE? IT IS. IT IS. CAN YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN? SHOULD. WOULD IT HELP TO CRAFT A CONDITION IF THE BOARD IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO MERGE THESE LANDSCAPE PLANS? AND I THINK I'M LOOKING AT THE TREE MITIGATION PLAN. AND I SEE FOUR NEW TREES. THOSE ARE THE CIRCLES WITH NOTHING IN THEM. THOSE ARE THE NEW TREES, RIGHT.
I DON'T SEE EIGHT. CAN YOU TAKE THIS PLAN AND SHOW ME WHERE? SHOW ME IF IT'S 4 OR 8, I'M SEEING FOUR HERE. IT'S FOUR. I THINK THOSE ARE TREES. UNLESS. UNLESS. MR. DRILL, CAN I.
STARBURSTS MIKE IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER, OR ARE THOSE. ARE WE COUNTING THOSE AS THE OTHER FOUR? OKAY, YES, I IDENTIFIED THESE. THESE TOP LEFT CORNER. OKAY FOR JV THERE ARE THREE FOUR DECIDUOUS TREES THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY THE FOLLOWING SERVICE. OKAY. AND WHAT ARE THESE TWO THINGS? MY FIRST RODEO. OKAY, ARE EXISTING TREES. THESE ARE ALL EXISTING TREES.
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THIS IS A PROPOSED TREE. THIS IS A PROPOSED TREE. OKAY. SO THE THE AR THERE'S FOUR R'S AND FOUR JV S. CAN YOU BRING THIS DOWN? SHOW IT TO BETH. YOU GOT IT. I GOT IT 1234. AND THEN THE FOUR ON THE SIDE. IT'S ON A ONE RIGHT? YEAH. AM I MISTAKEN. I THINK IT'S ON A ONE. I THINK YOU'RE ULTIMATELY PROPOSING TO REVISE YOUR SITE CONSISTENT WITH A TWO BUT WILL RETAIN THE EIGHT PROPOSED TREES SHOWN ON A ONE. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING NOW TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN ONE ADDITIONAL TREE PROXIMATE TO THE FRONT YARD AND WHERE THE POOL IS LOCATED. CORRECT. OKAY.TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. CORRECT? YES. YOU MAKE SURE THAT I GOT THIS CONDITION RIGHT.
I GOT IT, OKAY. WHAT ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP THAT TREE? THEN? THE SUBTLE SHIFT OF THE POOL TOWARD THE REAR YARD. IT'S THIS 12 INCH MAPLE RIGHT HERE. YES. THAT'S ON A TWO. THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH. I'M I'M GLAD I'M LOOKING NOW BECAUSE ON A ONE IT'S GONE THERE. THE ONE IN THE RIGHT. SO THAT THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER TREES THEY'RE NOT THREE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. TWO EXISTING AND TWO NEW CORRECT. FOUR NEW. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE TREES ALSO TO THE LEFT OF THE POOL OR TO THE WEST OF THE POOL.
I GUESS THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIG GAP. THERE IS. IS THERE A REASON THAT TREES CAN'T BE PUT THERE? I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE. AND SHIELDING THE POOL FROM THE NEIGHBOR. YEAH. ACTUALLY THE. AND I'LL GO WE COULD. WE PROPOSED FOUR EVERGREEN TREES ALONG THAT REAR PROPERTY LINE, AND WE HAD THEM LOCATED TOWARD THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. WE COULD SHIFT THEM UP CLOSER TO THAT LOCATION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YES I DO, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT THERE'S NO BUFFERING THERE. RIGHT. OR IF THERE'S BUFFERING, I, I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT. SO THAT COULD BE DONE. YES. IN THE BACK. YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THERE'S NOTHING IT WOULDN'T BE SHIELDING IT FROM ANYTHING.
UNDERSTOOD. WHAT'S OUR ORDINANCES AROUND VEGETATION AND EVERYTHING WITHIN A POOL AREA. BECAUSE AS SOMEONE WHO'S COUNSELED HOMEOWNERS ON INSTALLATION OF POOLS, PUTTING VEGETATION TOO CLOSE TO A CONCRETE PATIO OR GUNITE POOL SURFACE GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY TREES PLANTED CLOSE TO IT TO INFILTRATE ANY OF THOSE HARD SURFACES, CAUSING CRACKS AND ROOTS AND EXPENSIVE REPAIRS TO THOSE CONCRETE SLABS THAT ARE AROUND THOSE POOLS. WITHIN 4 TO 5 YEARS OF PLANNING OF THOSE TREES, DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF TREES YOU'RE PLANTING.
SO I WOULD NOT SUGGEST EVERGREENS, BUT ARBORVITAE THAT HAVE A SHALLOWER ROOT BOWL, RIGHT? THAT ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TYPES OF ROOTS THAT HAVE THE STRENGTH TO CAUSE SHIFTING AND CONCRETE, OR ANY TYPES OF STAMPED CONCRETE PATIOS. YEAH, WE, WE SELECT APPROPRIATE SPECIES FOR THAT LOCATION. ABSOLUTELY. I UNDERSTAND. EVERYTHING NOW.
HOPEFULLY I HAVEN'T JINXED MYSELF. THANK YOU. MIKE. THOSE TREES IN THAT TOP LEFT CORNER, IS THAT THE BLIND DESIGN FOR THE SHED THAT'S THERE. YEAH. AND THE, THE, THE PLANTINGS BACK THERE. RIGHT. THAT WAS WHERE WE HAD SOME ACTIVITY WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO. AND WE HAD OUR OBLIGATION FOR. EIGHT MITIGATING TREES. YES. SO BUT BUT YEAH, ACTUALLY YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE I'LL SAY LESS NECESSARY NOW THAT THE SHED HAS BEEN REDUCED IN SIZE AND ALSO MOVED FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. FORD. IS THERE ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING PLANNED AROUND THE POOL? THE ADDITIONS, THE LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL IN STYLE. NO SPOTLIGHTS. IN FACT, PART OF THE INCENTIVE TO PROPOSE A PAVILION IS SO THAT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE A A A LIGHT WITHIN A THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PAVILION NOW, RATHER THAN A SPOTLIGHT OUT ON A DECK AREA. SO ANY LIGHTING WILL BE DOWN LIT, CORRECT, AND PERHAPS SUBTLE LIGHTING ALONG THE LANDSCAPED AREAS. AS YOU SEE, THESE ARE LOW LEVEL LIGHTS.
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THEY'D ALL BE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE AND OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THE ADDITIONS AND LIGHTS AT DOORWAYS OF ADDITIONS. ON ON THAT ISSUE, I BELIEVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OR ONE OF THE OPEN SPACE TALKED ABOUT HOW LONG THE LIGHTS WOULD BE ON AND IF MOTION LIGHTS COULD BE USED IN ORDER TO FURTHER REDUCE LIGHTING OUT THERE, AS IT WOULD AFFECT THE NATURE IN THE AREA. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE MEMO FROM LAUREN DATED APRIL 14TH, 2026. PAGE THREE, SECTION E LIGHTING. SO, MR. FORD, CAN YOU. YEAH, TYPICALLY TWO COMMENTS. YEAH. TYPICALLY IN A RESIDENTIAL LIKE IN A COMMERCIAL OPERATION, WE HAVE LIGHTS ON, I'LL SAY MOTIONS OR ON TIMERS TO BE TURNED OFF, NOT NECESSARILY ON RESIDENTIAL. AND THE LIGHTS THAT WOULD BE ENVISIONED HERE. ARE IN THAT REAR YARD AREA. THE THE BY VIRTUE OF THE TWO ADDITIONS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DECK, ANY DECK LIGHTING WOULD BE SHIELDED BY THE ADDITIONS. THE. THE PAVILION OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE LIGHT FACE DOWNWARD, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE ADDED. BENEFIT WOULD BE TO MORE OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS. I THINK THE BENEFIT. I THINK ACCORDING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION IS, IS TO. TO BIRDS AND BATS. OH AND WELL, THESE WOULD ALL BE FOCUSED DOWNWARD.THEY WOULDN'T BE LIGHTS THAT WOULD. YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH E ONE. THE ISSUE IS WITH E TWO CORRECT. PROJECT E ONE IS THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHOULD BE DIRECTED DOWNWARD AND SHIELDED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. E TWO WAS THE MOTION SENSORS OR TIMERS. YOU'RE SAYING NO PROBLEM TO E ONE YOU YOU DON'T WANT TO DO E TWO CORRECT? CORRECT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS IN THAT REVIEW MEMORANDUM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ADDRESS THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY. YOU HAVEN'T SAID IT, BUT YOU COMPLY WITH IT. THE PLAN INDICATES EIGHT REPLACEMENT TREES. AND AND SHE SAYS THAT'S CORRECT BASED UPON THE CODE SECTION. CORRECT. STREET TREES. SHE SAYS ONE ADDITIONAL STREET TREE SHOULD BE PLANTED. THE OBJECTION. THERE'S. STREET TREES ACROSS THE FRONTAGE. ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE HERE. I THINK SHE'S SUGGESTING. PUT ONE MORE HERE. THERE'S SIGNS AND.
OKAY. YOU'RE WE'RE NOT HEARING HIM. HE'S NOT ON THE. YEAH. AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT AN OBJECTION TO LIKE THE. THIS WOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO AS LONG AS THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER AND THE MUNICIPALITY DIDN'T REMOVE THE TREE FOR SOME REASON, BECAUSE OF A SAFETY ISSUE, I THINK IF THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE TO IT, THEN IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CONDITION THAT TO THE COORDINATE WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER'S OFFICE. SO ONE ADDITIONAL TREE SHALL BE PLANTED IN COORDINATION WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER'S OFFICE.
ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO. OKAY. THE TOWNSHIP MAY ACTUALLY SAY THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR TO NOT HAVE IT. SO, YEAH, MR. TOWNS MENTIONED THERE MAY BE SIGNAGE, ROAD SIGNAGE THERE.
THAT'S A REASON THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE A SIGN IN THAT AREA. AND THE DESIGN CRITERION FOR THE TREES. ALL NEWLY PLANTED TREES MUST INCLUDE DEER PROTECTION. PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO NO PLANT MATERIAL. THAT'S A TWO YEAR GUARANTEE. SHE'S CITING, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCE AND VERSE. SO YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM COMPLYING WITH THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? NO. OKAY. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THAT'S IT. THE MEMO BECAUSE THE LOT COVERAGE. YEAH WE'VE ALREADY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. THE OFFICE DOESN'T SUPPORT THE REQUESTED VARIANCE, BUT THAT'S THEIR OPINION. AND SHE WAS NOT ALSO AWARE THAT YOU ELIMINATED ALL THE OTHER VARIANTS RELIEF. RIGHT. CORRECT.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE SHED. IS THERE ANY PLUMBING PLANNED FOR. NO. THE BACK SHED, YARD MAINTENANCE. IT'S FOR YARD MAINTENANCE. YARD MAINTENANCE.
OKAY. SO THERE'S NO ELECTRIC EITHER, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. STORAGE. COULD
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I ASK A QUESTION? UNLESS THE MOTHER WANTS TO MOVE IN BECAUSE THE MOTHER IN LAW ALREADY HAS A SPOT, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SHED THE SHED. YEAH, YEAH. COULD I ASK MR. DARGIE A QUESTION? YES.YEAH. IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE TOWNSHIP, DO YOU KNOW OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING ANY KIND OF ISSUES WITH FLOODING DURING ANY CRAZY STORMS WE MIGHT HAVE HAD IN THE PAST? I I'M NOT, I'M NOT.
IT DOES NOT, IT DOES NOT. IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT ON A RIDGE WHERE IT THE HOUSE IS SITUATED RIGHT ON THE EDGE AND THERE'S NO FLOODING. REALLY. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THERE BEFORE I, I LIVE I, I ACTUALLY HE DOES NOT LIVE WITHIN 200FT, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, PAUL, BE CAREFUL, BUT HE'S DRIVEN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, YEAH. YOU HEAR MY DOG AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO YEAH, YEAH. MY SECOND QUESTION OF MR. DARGIE IS THE THIS SUBSTANTIVE STORMWATER MITIGATION APPARATUS WILL PREVENT. YEAH. THE ANY IMPACT TO THIS HOME IN TERMS OF THE BASEMENT OR TO THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH, YEAH. IT'S IT'S KIND OF ANY KIND OF FLOODING. IT'S PROBABLY. YEAH, YEAH. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE LOCATION OF THE SYSTEM IS SUCH THAT IT'S, IT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THE APPLICANT'S DWELLING. AND ALSO IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO ANY OF THE, THE AT LEAST PROXIMATE AND ADJACENT DWELLINGS. SO IT'S, IT'S LOCATED IN A PLACE WHERE IT SHOULD, SHOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT TO THE BASEMENTS BY THE, THE INFILTRATION THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THERE. I'M ALSO NOT AWARE, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD DEFER TO MR. BLODGETT BECAUSE HE'S MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ABOUT ABOUT ADVERSE CONDITIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID PUT IN OUR MEMO, WHICH I DID GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO MR. FORD ABOUT AS A AS A CONDITION ON THIS APPLICATION AND OTHERS, SIMILAR APPLICATIONS WE RECOMMEND IS A CONDITION THAT SHOULD THERE BE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER'S OFFICE AND IMPLEMENT THE MEASURES THAT THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER MAY, MAY REQUEST OR REQUIRE TO MITIGATE THAT. THE ADVERSE IMPACT AND THE IDEA ISN'T NECESSARILY TO, YOU KNOW, HOLD THE APPLICANTS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST WHAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR YARD. SO LIKE, THIS POOL IS BEING CONSTRUCTED KIND OF CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN GRADING, CHANGE IN DRAINAGE PATTERN, SOME SORT OF ADVERSE IMPACT FROM FROM THIS CONSTRUCTION, THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER WOULD COME OUT AND EVALUATE AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO, TO IMPLEMENT MITIGATION MEASURES AT THE APPLICANT'S EXPENSE. AND PERFECT SEGUE. IS THERE ANYTHING IN HIS MEMO DATED APRIL 20TH, MR. DODGE'S MEMO DATED APRIL 20TH, THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH HAVING IMPOSED AS A CONDITION. NOW, I KNOW THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT YOU'VE INCORPORATED INTO EXHIBIT A TWO, BUT SO SO EVERYTHING IN THERE THAT'S A SUGGESTED CHANGE OR SUGGESTED CONDITION. IF THE BOARD VOTES YES, I SHOULD MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND BETH, IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR MEMO THAT SHOULD BE MADE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY'VE ADDRESSED YOUR ISSUES? I DON'T THINK THE ONLY OTHER DETAIL THAT'S IN MY MEMO, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED SORT OF INDIRECTLY, WAS IN REGARDING TO REGARD TO THE LIGHTING, IT'S ITEM 4.2. I HAD ASKED IF THERE WAS LIGHTING PROPOSED. THE APPLICANT WOULD SHIELD AND DIRECT LIGHT IN SUCH A WAY TO MINIMIZE GLARE. I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT. I GOT THAT FROM LAUREN'S MEMO. CORRECT. I ALSO ASKED THAT THE LIGHT FIXTURES BE DARK SKY COMPLIANCE AND NOT HAVE A COLOR TEMPERATURE THAT EXCEEDS 3000 KELVIN. AND IF THAT'S IF THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CONDITION AS WELL. YEAH.
SHE SAYS THAT IT SHOULDN'T EXCEED A COLOR TEMPERATURE OF 3000 K KELVIN. IS THAT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. OKAY. OH I'M SORRY, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM. THIS IS NOT A CONDITION, BUT I JUST FOR THE FOR THE SAKE OF COMPLETENESS IN MY MEMO, I ALSO ASKED FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE THE PROPOSED ADDITION PAVILION WILL BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, JUST SO THAT IT IS A ESTHETICALLY APPEALING. FROM THE. TO THE EXTENT THE NEIGHBORS CAN SEE IT, THAT A. YES, YES, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR. ALL ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES SHALL BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE. TO THE EXISTING PRINCIPAL BUILDING. THAT'S A. YES.
CORRECT. YES. WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS HAVE GOTTEN ALL
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THEIR COMMENTS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC ANYMORE. SO I'LL TURN TO THE BOARD TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT I SO CHOOSE. JUST ONE QUESTION. WHAT'S THE EXPECTED LIFETIME OF THE STORMWATER MITIGATION SYSTEM? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT WOULD HAVE A MAINTENANCE MANUAL WITH IT. SO IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENT. IT HAS A A DIRECTIVE OF HOW YOU PROPERLY MAINTAIN IT. AND IT, THE TYPE OF ARCHES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE LIKE SIMILAR TO HDPE PIPE, LIKE A POLYETHYLENE PIPE. SO IT HAS A LONGEVITY ELEMENT TO IT. SPELL IT OUT. HDE HIGH DENSITY POLYETHYLENE PIPE. OKAY, SO THAT HAS A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH IF IT'S PROPERLY MAINTAINED ANYONE EITHER. YEAH. 20 YEARS MORE.YEAH. IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY GREATER. IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 50. YEAH. 50 TO 75 YEARS. AND, AND THE, THE, THE THING IS THAT LIKE MY, LIKE MR. FORD WAS SAYING SYSTEMS LIKE THIS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE PROPERLY MAINTAINED, HAVE A VERY LONG, VERY LONG LIFE BECAUSE ALL IT IS, IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HIGH DENSITY POLYETHYLENE ARCHES AND STONE AND FILTER FABRIC, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT STUFF ISN'T GOING TO DEGRADE BECAUSE IT'S UNDERGROUND. SO THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY DEGRADES IT WOULD BE EXPOSURE TO SUNLIGHT BECAUSE YOU GET THE UV RAYS, RIGHT. NO SUNLIGHT UNDERGROUND. CORRECT. UV RAYS. YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD. AND THEN OF COURSE WHAT? WHATEVER GOES INTO IT. BUT WE'RE TALKING JUST STORMWATER. THERE'S NO CAUSTIC CHEMICALS OR ANYTHING GOING INTO IT. SO THE STUFF THAT GOES INTO IT THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWIGS, LEAVES, THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND THERE'S A MAINTENANCE MANUAL FOR IT. YOU BASICALLY REGULARLY MAINTAIN IT. AND OCCASIONALLY YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO FLOOD IT WITH WATER AND SUCK THAT WATER OUT TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, VACUUM IT OUT, CLEAN IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD ON THE 30 FOOT. IT'S SMALL DRAINAGE EASEMENT ACROSS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. HOW LONG IS HAS THAT BEEN THERE? AND IF IT'S ON A RIDGE, WHY DO YOU NEED IT? THAT'S OFF SITE. SO SO THAT JUST THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. AND YES, THE NATURAL DRAINAGE PATTERNS AT THE SITE IS THERE'S A PRETTY WELL DEFINED DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT RUNS DOWN ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THIS APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND HIS NEIGHBOR TO THE REAR, AND THERE'S AN EASEMENT TO PROTECT THAT, BUT IT'S ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO DELIBERATE ON THIS. DO YOU WANT TO WAIVE YOUR CLOSING? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS OR CONCERNS HERE, I THINK, YOU KNOW NOW IT'S TIME TO TO VOICE THEM. OTHERWISE I THINK WE'LL YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR ZONING, WHETHER THIS MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. SO YEAH, THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT THE BOARD SHOULD GRANT A C TWO VARIANCE FOR LOT COVERAGE. THE ONLY VARIANCE ONLY RELIEF REQUIRED BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE MOTHER IN LAW ADDITION WILL ADVANCE THE GENERAL WELFARE PURPOSES OF THE ML. U L NJSA 40 COLON 55D-2A AND ALSO THE PURPOSE OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR A. PREVENTING SPRAWL. MIXED MIXED BALANCE OF HOUSING AND. ALSO FOR THE MOTHER IN LAW, THE THERAPEUTIC CONSERVATORY. SAME REASON THAT YOU'D HAVE THE MOTHER IN LAW SUITE. YOU HAVE A CONSERVATORY FOR HER POOL FOR THE. THE GROWING FAMILY. IT. IS IT STAYING AT FOUR OR IS IT GOING TO BE GROWING ANYMORE? STICKING IT FORWARD. OKAY. AND THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN. AND ACTUALLY, WE SHOULD ASK MR. VYGOTSKY. YOU'RE A BARBECUE JUDGE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS? BECAUSE I'M DYING TO KNOW. SO I'M THERE'S A GROUP CALLED THE KANSAS CITY BARBECUE SOCIETY. IF YOU EVER GUYS EVER WATCH, LIKE THE BARBECUE COMPETITIONS ON LATE NIGHT TV, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HOST ALL THESE MEETINGS, SO I DON'T. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO I'M A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THAT GROUP. AND I, I FLEW OUT TO INDIANAPOLIS, WENT THROUGH TRAINING TO BECOME A JUDGE. SO WHEN ALL THESE BIG GROUPS GO UP COOKING, I'M ONE OF THE ONES WHO TASTED AND SCORED THEM. OKAY, SO GENERAL WELFARE PURPOSES OF ZONING WOULD BE
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ADVANCED AND THEY WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT. AND WHAT THE PROOFS THAT MR. FORD SAID IS BASICALLY THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ANY DETRIMENT, LET ALONE SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT, BECAUSE THEY WENT BEYOND DESIGNING A STORMWATER SYSTEM TO MEET THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT. THEY'VE DESIGNED AN ENHANCED STORMWATER SYSTEM, AND THIS IS THEY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER VARIANCES, AND THEY'RE WANT TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS HAVE SUGGESTED. THAT'S THEIR CASE IN A NUTSHELL. THAT'S HIS CLOSING. YEP. AGREED.PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE WERE NO NO. YEAH. NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE ON THIS APPLICATION HERE TONIGHT. THERE WERE PEOPLE THEY LEFT. THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SO SATISFIED. OUT THE DOOR THEY WENT AFTER THEY HEARD MY QUALIFICATIONS, THEY LEFT. I HEARD THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE REALLY. IT WAS THE TREES THAT DID IT. THEY HEARD THAT MIKE FORD GUY WAS GOING TO BE HERE.
YES. YEAH. THAT THAT IF IT'S REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES, THAT'S OUR DELIBERATION. AND ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT. WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. EVERYONE AGREES WITH HIM. I'D SAY THAT THE PURPOSE RIGHT HERE OF OUR MASTER PLAN IS IS SATISFIED HERE. YEAH. I JUST HAVE ONE JUST TO EDUCATE ME. WHAT WHEN DOES THE SIDE YARD BECOME THE BACKYARD? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE POOLS IN THE SIDE YARD. BUT YOU SAID AND YOU'VE MOVED IT SO THAT IT'S IN THE BACKYARD. SO THE REAR YARD IS THE AREA BETWEEN THE CLOSEST POINT OF THE HOUSE TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. THE SIDE YARD IS THE SETBACKS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE THE REAR YARD IS THIS ENTIRE AREA. AND THEN WITHIN THAT ARE THE SIDE YARDS.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S A REAR YARD SETBACK AND THERE'S REAR YARD. SO YEAH. RIGHT. SO WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS CORRECT. THE REAR YARD THE REAR YARD. OKAY. SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT IN OUR ORDINANCE. IT'S IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT WHAT DEFINES REAR YARD OR WHAT DEFINES A SIDE YARD. THERE'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT IN, IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT A SWIMMING POOL HAS TO BE LOCATED REARWARD OF THE FURTHEST POINT IN THE HOUSE. GOTCHA. OKAY.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. GREAT. CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, SUBJECT TO ALL THE CONDITIONS. ALL THE CONDITIONS. SECOND TO ALL. OKAY. MR. WOOD, MR. WALMART, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. LOZOVSKY. YES. YES. YES. YES.
WOOD. YES AND YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN
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THE ONLY OTHER ORDER OF BUSINESS HERE IS TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 24TH TO THE 26TH MEETING. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? SO MOVED, MR. WOOD. MR. YEAH.MR. WALMART, I'LL SECOND AND MR. WOOD WILL SECOND ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES. YES. YES. WALMART.
YES. YES YES. ALL RIGHT. OUR FUTURE MEETING WILL WE HAVE ONE ON THE 28TH TUESDAY. WILL WE.
I'M SORRY. THE 28TH IS THE 28TH WILL BE CANCELED. OKAY. SO JUNE 23RD IS OUR NEXT. IS THAT CORRECT OR IS IT 25TH? IT'S THE 23RD. 23RD. ALRIGHT. AND THEN ALSO THE 25TH, OUR MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. MR. WALMART. SECOND. MR. BRUNS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? NO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. RIGHT. NO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT. ALL IN FAVOR. WE JUST. ALRIGHT.
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