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MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD. MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET, NEW JERSEY. REGULAR MEETING MARCH 24TH, 2026. TIME IS NOW 704. IT'S THE IN ZONING BOARD'S INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT.NOTICE AND TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE. ALL THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? DARA? HERE.
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SEE ANY. I DON'T SEE ANY. THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT, SO THE CASE BEFORE US TODAY IS B A TECH ZERO FOUR, TECH TWO FIVE. THE APPLICANT IS NASSAU RACKET AND TENNIS CLUB. THIS IS ON BLOCK TWO 20,001, LOT SIX COMMONLY KNOWN AS 1800 ROUTE 206. THIS IS A MINOR SITE PLAN.USE VARIANCE IN THE ADDITION OF A PICKLEBALL COURT TO REPLACE THE OUTDOOR POOL. THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPLICATION IS MAY 28TH, 2026. THE AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION WAS REQUIRED. GOOD EVENING MICHAEL, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, YES. IT'S WALKING DOWN BY THE NATIONAL PARK AND TENNIS CLUB TO A BUSINESS AND A CLUB OPERATED, OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE CAMPER FAMILY. WE'RE HERE FOR A USE VARIANCE AND MINOR APPROVAL.
IN SIMPLE TERMS, WHAT WE HAVE IS A SWIMMING POOL THAT HAS GROWN INTO TERRIFIC DISUSE. AND WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO. AND BY WE, I MEAN THE CAMPERS DECIDED TO DO IS TO CONVERT THAT INTO A PICKLEBALL COURT IN A COUPLE LITTLE PATIO TYPE THINGS RIGHT OUTSIDE WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT POOL WAS, BECAUSE THE POOL WASN'T BEING USED FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND WELL, HERE'S SOME TESTIMONY AS TO THE NEED FOR THAT. I WANT TO POINT OUT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. JUST KIND OF A PRELIMINARY REPORT. WE ARE IN THE ARE IN THE R2 ZONE. WHAT WE PREDATE ZONING.
WE WERE WAY BACK IN 1971. WE WERE WHEN ZONING WAS KIND OF LIKE A VERY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 55 YEARS. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS THE R E O R E R O ZONE. AND BECAUSE WE WERE A TENNIS CLUB, WE WERE WHAT WAS CALLED A SPECIAL SESSION. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING LIKE A CONDITIONAL USE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WITH THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE NOW, ANYTIME WE DO ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY, ANY KIND OF WORK EXPANSION, WHATEVER, IT'S A USE VARIANCE TYPE OF APPLICATION BECAUSE OF THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS HOLD UP ONE SECOND. I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE PERMITTED BY THE GRANT OF A D1 USE VARIANCE WHERE PERMITTED BY THE GRANT OF D1 USE. BUT EVERY TIME WE EXPAND IT, I UNDERSTAND. BUT WHEN YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1971, YOU PREDATED ZONING. IT'S NOT THAT YOU ARE A LAWFULLY CREATED PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE, BECAUSE IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND THAT, YOU NEED A D2 VARIANCE. YOU WERE YOU'RE THERE BY THE GRANT OF A D1 USE VARIANCE. THEREFORE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO NEEDS ANOTHER D1 USE VARIANCE, CORRECT? YOU COULD PUT IT THAT WAY. WE. THE. YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH YOU FOR THE SAKE OF. FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MIX AND SLASH OVER. WE'RE NOT SLOSHING OVER. I TRUST ME ON THAT. WE. OVER THE YEARS, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WITH THE SITE, WE ADDED A SECOND BUILDING. WE HAD TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE OF. THERE WAS. WE NEEDED MORE PARKING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN TODAY. WHAT I'M GOING TO
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HAVE IS A COUPLE OF WITNESSES. I WOULD HAVE HAD A JUNIOR WHO'S THE SECOND IN THE LINE OF SUCCESSION, BUT HE HAD TO UNDERGO A MEDICAL PROCEDURE TODAY. NOTHING SERIOUS. BUT THE DOCTOR TOLD HIM HE HAS TO STAY HOME. SO I HAD WILLIAM CAMPER HERE INSTEAD, WHO IS NOW THIRD GENERATION OPERATING THE THE TENNIS CLUB. I WANT TO JUST NOTE ONE OTHER THING. THAT WAS AN OBSERVATION THAT WAS MADE IN ONE OF THE MEMOS AND JUST KIND OF CLEARED THIS UP. NOW, WE CERTAINLY COULD PROVIDE MORE TESTIMONY IF NEED BE THERE. IT HAD BEEN RAISED BY THE TOWN PLANNER THAT THE BUILDING NUMBER TWO CONTAINED A DANCE OR DANCE ACADEMIES. AND I WILL SAY WITH THAT, WHAT THAT WAS, WAS THERE ARE SEVERAL ROOMS IN THAT BUILDING THAT ARE NOT FINISHED AS ROOMS. THEY'RE LIKE RECREATIONAL ROOMS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND WHAT THE CAMPUS HAD DONE WAS. THERE WAS A, A LOCAL DANCE ACADEMY THAT WAS ACTUALLY THEY HAVE. THEY USE BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SOUTHEAST, SOUTH ASIAN TYPE OF DANCE OR SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT. AND SO THEY WERE RENTING OUT ROOMS TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO OCCUR, THAT THE DANCE ACADEMY WAS NOT INCORPORATED WITH OUR BUSINESS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. SIMPLY RENTING A ROOM. THERE WAS A MAXIMUM OF SIX STUDENTS AT A TIME, TWICE A WEEK. AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED. UNFORTUNATELY, THE, YOU KNOW, THE IT IT LOOKED DIFFERENT THAN IT SHOULD HAVE. WE HAVE WE HAVE TERMINATED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH BOTH OF THOSE DANCE ACADEMIES SAYING THAT THERE WERE TWO DANCE ACADEMIES. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY WERE TWO DIFFERENT DANCE OUTFITS THAT WOULD SUPPLY THIS DANCE RATHER THAN APPLYING FOR A D1 USE VARIANCE TO ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE. YOU'VE TERMINATED THOSE TWO USES? ABSOLUTELY, YES, WE COMPLETELY TERMINATED THOSE USES. WE JUST TOLD THEM THEY HAD TO FIND SOME OTHER LITTLE ROOM TO USE SOMEPLACE ELSE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY JUST KIND OF CLOG IT UP IS REALLY WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A HOLE. THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT GOING ON THERE. I DON'T NEED TO VISIT THAT. WE JUST TERMINATED IT. SO THAT WOULD THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE WHATSOEVER. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO HAVE IS I'M GOING TO HAVE WILLIAM KAMPER TESTIFY VERY BRIEFLY JUST AS TO THE OPERATIONAL BUSINESS PRESIDENT. HE'S IN THE NEED FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE MICHAEL FORD, WHO YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, WHO HAS DESIGNED OUR SITE PLAN, WHO WILL PRESENT THAT TO YOU FOLKS AND PROVIDE THE BASIS FOR THE VARIANCES. OKAY, SO WHO ARE THE WITNESSES? WILLIAM CAMPER AND MICHAEL FORD, ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S IT. OKAY. WHO ARE THE BOARD WITNESSES THIS EVENING? I ASSUME WE HAVE RAKESH DARJI AND BETH MCMANUS. OKAY, SO LET'S HAVE THE FOUR OF THOSE WITNESSES STAND UP. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IN? THIS MATTER WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. START WITH MICHAEL FORD. YES, YES YES, YES. OKAY. THAT WAS INTERESTING. THAT WAS TIMELY, RIGHT? YEAH.MAKES YOU WONDER. YES. SHE'S EXCITED TO TESTIFY. WOW. I, I WILL ACCEPT ALL WITNESSES. YEAH.
OKAY. MR. CAMPER, YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH THE BUSINESS. NASSAU, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. WOULD YOU PLEASE TELL THE BOARD WHAT HOW LONG YOU'VE WORKED THERE AND WHAT YOUR ROLE IS PRESENTLY WITH THE BUSINESS? SURE. I'VE WORKED THERE MY ENTIRE LIFE. EVER SINCE I WAS YOUNG. I WAS HELPING OUT WHERE I COULD, AND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I'VE TAKEN ON A BIGGER RESPONSIBILITY, REALLY ASSISTING MY DAD IN DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, INTERACTING WITH MEMBERS, HANDLING THE FINANCIALS, AND KIND OF GOING THROUGH ALL THE STEPS OF SHADOWING THE PRESIDENT OF A COMPANY. DO YOU DO YOU HAVE A FORMAL TITLE RIGHT NOW? I HAVE YOU DOWN AS AN OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE. DO YOU HAVE A FORMAL TITLE? YES, CONTROLLER.
YOU'RE THE CONTROLLER. OKAY, THANKS. IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS OF NATIONAL RECORDS. VERY MUCH SO. AND IN THE PLANNING FOR NATIONAL RECKONING FOR THE FUTURE. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO YOU UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION HERE TODAY IS THE REMOVAL OF THE SWIMMING POOL. AND FOR THE ADDITION OF A COUPLE OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, WOULD YOU TELL THE BOARD WHY OR HOW YOU GUYS CAME TO THAT DECISION? SURE. I'M SURE. AS YOU ALL KNOW, PICKLEBALL IS VERY POPULAR DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC, SWIMMING WAS NOT PERMITTED. AND EVER SINCE THEN, REALLY THE DEMAND FOR A SWIMMING POOL WAS NEGLIGENT IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DID, WHETHER IT WAS JUST ANY POINT OF TIME OR REALLY DURING THE SUMMER CAMP WHERE IT GOT ALL OF ITS USE. AND THEN JUST
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BASED OFF THE DEMAND OF PICKLEBALL AND THE ALLOWANCE OF IT BY. OR THE ACCEPTANCE OF IT POST-PANDEMIC HAS REALLY DRIVEN DEMAND FOR IT BY LOCALITIES AND REALLY OUR COMMUNITY AT NASSAU, WHERE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE GROWTH IN PICKLEBALL HAS EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS, AND ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER WHEN OUR INDOOR COURTS ARE PRETTY MUCH AT CAPACITY WITH CAMPERS THIS OUT, THESE OUTDOOR COURTS WILL GIVE INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO PLAY AN OPPORTUNITY TO WHEN BEFORE THEY COULDN'T. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A DEMAND FROM THE MEMBERS OF NATIONAL BRACKET. THE MEMBERSHIP WERE ADDITIONAL PICKLEBALL COURTS. YEAH. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS WITH THE TESTIMONY.I WILL HAVE MR. CAMPER HERE AND AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING COMES UP.
AND THAT'S LARGELY WHAT HIS PURPOSE WOULD BE HERE TODAY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE IS, IN FACT, A NEED FOR THIS. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXPERIMENT OR SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT. I ALSO THEN. I WOULD ALSO HOLD YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA FIND OUT IF ANYONE WANTS TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS, I APOLOGIZE.
DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAMPER? YEAH, I WOULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, THROUGH YOU, PLEASE, REGARDING THE PICKLEBALL, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE WAS A DEMAND. IS THAT DEMAND FROM YOUR CLUB MEMBERS? DO YOU REQUIRE A MEMBERSHIP OF YOUR CLUB TO PLAY PICKLEBALL? YES. MOST MEMBERS MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MEMBERSHIP TO PLAY PICKLEBALL AT THE CLUB. SO THOSE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'RE JUST OPEN TO YOUR MEMBERS. CORRECT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I HAVE I'D LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE ACTIVITY. IF YOU'RE THE RIGHT WITNESS FOR THOSE QUESTIONS. YES. OKAY. CAN YOU SHARE THE HOURS THAT YOU ANTICIPATE THE PICKLEBALL TO BE USED BY YOUR MEMBERS AND TO WHAT EXTENT, WHETHER YOU ANTICIPATE THE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT HOURS OF FULL PLAY TIME OR IF YOU HAVE ANY EXPECTATIONS OF HOW OFTEN IT WILL BE RIGHT, THE COURTS ARE LIT, CORRECT, OR THEIR LIGHTS ON THE LIGHTS PROPOSED FOR THE COURTS. YEAH.
SO THE HOURS SHE'S ASKING ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE BECAUSE WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE LIGHTS ON OUR OUTDOOR TENNIS COURTS, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT AT THIS MOMENT. WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE FOR THE CLUB IN GENERAL? SURE. IT'S ABOUT 8 A.M. TO 1030 11 P.M. I'LL PUT IT THIS WAY. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PICKLEBALL WILL BE. THE OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL BE OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS UNTIL THE TIME OF CLOSURE, AND THE BOARD MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN. GIVEN SOME OF THE. I KNOW, I ANTICIPATE YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TESTIMONY ON NOISE, BUT NOISE AS WELL AS THE LIGHTING ARE TWO IMPACTS THAT I'M PERSONALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I ANTICIPATE THE BOARD WILL SHARE AS WELL. AND CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY ADD, HOW THOSE HOURS DIFFER FROM THE CURRENT POOL TIME HOURS. OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE CURRENT POOL TIME HOURS? CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE FULL TIME HOURS BECAUSE THE POOL IS NOT OPERATIONAL. OKAY. IN THE PAST, HAVE YOU DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT WHAT THE HOURS GENERALLY WERE FOR THE POOL? IT WAS PROBABLY CONCLUDED ONCE CAMP ENDED, SO 6 P.M. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OUTDOOR TENNIS COURTS? YES, THERE ARE FIVE. AND ARE THEY LIGHTED? AND WHAT TIME DO THEY CLOSE? NO, THEY'RE NOT LIGHTED. AND TYPICALLY MEMBERS DON'T PLAY TESTS. 830 OKAY. PM.
OKAY, BUT BUT THERE'S NO PROPOSAL. THERE'S NO PROPOSED RESTRICTION ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. RIGHT? IF YOU'RE THE FACILITY IS OPEN FROM 8 A.M. TO 10:30 P.M. OR 11 P.M. THERE'S NO YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY RESTRICTION. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PLAY PICKLEBALL AT 9:30 P.M. ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLAY AS OF RIGHT NOW? AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY RESTRICTIONS. WE CERTAINLY ARE OPEN TO THE BOARD'S DESIRES AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED. AND ARE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR SEASON OR ARE THEY LIMITED BECAUSE THE POOL IS, OF COURSE, IN THE WARMER WEATHER, BUT WHAT ARE THE SEASONS FOR PICKLEBALL? IN OTHER WORDS, TYPICALLY, ARE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS GOING TO BE OPEN YEAR ROUND? THAT'S WHAT
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HER QUESTION IS. YEAH. WHEN THE WHEN THERE'S NO SNOW ON THEM. YEAH. WEATHER PERMITTING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OF MISTER MISTER, IS YOUR PARKING LOT LIT FROM DUSK TILL DAWN? YEAH. SO SECURITY WISE. SO THERE IS LIGHT ON THIS PARKING LOT AND ON THE PROPERTY FROM SUNDOWN TO SUNRISE. CORRECT. OKAY. MEMBERSHIP WISE, HAS YOUR MEMBERSHIP BEEN GROWING OVER THE LAST, I'D SAY MAYBE 24 TO 36 MONTHS THAT THE DEMAND FOR THIS HAS CREATED THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU? YES. PICKLEBALL IN GENERAL HAS TAKEN UP A MAJORITY OF OUR A MAJORITY, EXCUSE ME, OF OUR AVAILABLE COURT TIME. OKAY. I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON MR. DELANEY'S QUESTION. WITHOUT REGARD FOR ACTIVITY. THE LIGHTING IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPERATIONAL HOURS, NOT THE ACTIVITY. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING ON THE PARKING LOT. THE LIGHTING ON THE PARKING LOT. I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON MR. DELANEY'S QUESTION. THE LIGHTING AT THE PARK. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. LIGHTING AT THE PARKING LOT IS ACTIVE. DUSK TO DAWN, REGARDLESS OF THE ACTIVITY. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE? IS THERE EXISTING LIKE PICKLEBALL? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU MAY NOT HAVE ACTUAL OFFICIAL COURT, BUT HAVE YOU HAVE YOU STRIPED THE EXISTING COURTS FOR PICKLEBALL? IS THAT. YES. SO SO THERE'S ON THE OUTDOOR COURTS.NO INDOOR INDOOR ONLY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. ONE MORE QUESTION. HAS THE STRIPING OF THE INDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS RESULTED IN MORE COURTS COMPARED TO THE TENNIS COURT NUMBER? HOW DO YOU MEAN? I GUESS IF YOU EXCUSE ME, IF YOU HAD SIX TENNIS TENNIS COURTS, FOR EXAMPLE, STRIPED AS AS TENNIS COURTS WHEN THEY WERE CONVERTED TO PICKLEBALL COURTS, WERE YOU ABLE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF COURTS FROM SIX? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU GOT RID OF ONE TENNIS COURT, WOULD THAT GIVE YOU 1 OR 2 PICKLEBALL COURTS? I THINK THEY'RE OFTEN SMALLER THAN TENNIS COURTS. SO I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE IF MORE IF TODAY MORE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PLAY PICKLEBALL THAN THERE, THAN THEY WERE ABLE TO PLAY TENNIS PRIOR TO THE RESTRIPING OF YOUR EXISTING COURTS. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. MORE PEOPLE CAN PLAY ON ONE COURT, SORRY, MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS THAN YOU HAD TENNIS COURTS. SO IN OUR IN OUR SOUTH BUILDING, WHICH IS FOUR COURTS, FOUR TENNIS COURTS, THERE ARE TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS PER TENNIS COURT. THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS ASKING. YEAH, YEAH.
OKAY. SO THE NUMBER OF I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE NUMBER OF PICKLEBALL COURTS IS DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF TENNIS COURTS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY EXISTED ON THE SITE? WELL, YOU STILL HAVE SOME TENNIS COURTS. YEAH, THERE'S STILL SO THERE'S FOUR TENNIS COURTS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, TWO COURTS PER TENNIS COURT, NOT EITHER OR. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES. YOU CAN STILL USE THEM FOR TENNIS. CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. IT'S CALLED BLENDED LINES. YEP. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS COULD ALSO BE INTERCHANGED FOR TENNIS COURTS? SINGLE SINGLE PLAY. OKAY.
YOU'RE ASKING THE PROPOSED THE PROPOSED WANTS TO KNOW IF THE NEW PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURTS COULD BE ALSO USED AS A TENNIS COURT, OR THE NEW PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURTS ONLY GOING TO BE USED FOR PICKLEBALL, CORRECT. I'M THE INTERPRETER TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE PROPOSAL ONLY GOING TO BE USED FOR PICKLEBALL, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THEM AS SMALLER THAN THE ACTUAL TENNIS COURT. OKAY, SO IN OTHER WORDS, A TENNIS COURT CAN BE CONVERTED. ONE TENNIS COURT CAN BE CONVERTED TO TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS. BUT TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE CONVERTED TO ONE TENNIS COURT. CORRECT? PICKLEBALL COURT ALLOW YOU TO PLAY SINGLES OR NOT. IF THERE WOULD BE TOO NARROW. NO. OKAY, I ANSWERED, I'M NOT THE WITNESS. TELL HER NO, I, I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION. THANK YOU. MR. KEMP. WITH THE MUNICIPALITY HAVING SIX OUTDOOR COURTS AT THE UPPER MIDDLE SCHOOL, DO YOU FIND THE DEMAND THAT YOUR MEMBERS WOULD PREFER TO USE OR REQUEST USE OUTDOOR COURTS AT YOUR FACILITY, VERSUS THE FREE USE OF THE COURTS THAT WERE RECENTLY REMODELED AND RENOVATED BY THE TOWNSHIP THAT ARE LOCATED AT THE UPPER MIDDLE
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SCHOOL PROPERTY. YOU'RE ASKING IF OUR MEMBERS WILL USE OUR COURTS RATHER THAN JUST GO FOR FREE? YEAH, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SIX COURTS IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT ARE FREE TO USE, THAT ARE LOCATED AT THE UPPER MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT WERE RECENTLY RENOVATED WITH TAX DOLLARS OF THE DISTRICT AND THE TOWNSHIP TO REMODEL AND RESTRIPE AND RESHAPE FOR PICKLEBALL. THE USE OF YOUR COURTS, DO YOU FEEL THAT THERE WILL BE THE DEMAND FOR COURTS USE AT THE CLUB VERSUS MEMBERS THAT MAY USE THE FREE COURTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED AT THE UPPER MIDDLE SCHOOL? DEFINITELY. WE HAVE BUILT A TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY OF PICKLEBALL PLAYERS, JUST WITH OUR INDOOR FACILITY ALONE WHO HAVE WHO ARE COMING REGULARLY. AND I THINK JUST GIVEN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE BUILT AND THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE, I BELIEVE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE, WE DEFINITELY WILL HAVE DEMAND AND FREQUENT USE OF THESE COURTS. MY LAST QUESTION, IS THERE ANY OTHER FACILITY SIMILAR TO YOURS IN THIS AREA WHERE OTHER PEOPLE WOULD CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN PICKLEBALL INDOORS AND OUTDOORS? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW.THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR MY AUNT. OKAY. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IRON PEAK UP THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF IRON PEAK HAS INDOOR COURTS THERE OR NOT, BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THEM, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CAMPER WILL BE HERE. ANY. AND JUST A NOTE FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, THERE'S NO ONE IN THE PUBLIC, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ASKING, DOES ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO. ARE YOU IN. IS A GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? ARE YOU WITH THE APPLICANT? NO. THE GUY IN BACK OF YOU, YOU'RE WITH THE NOT. MR. RIGHT. OKAY. OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT BACK HERE. YOU CAN SIT NEXT TO HIM. NO. NICE GUY. MIKE. THAT'S COOL, MR. FORD. OKAY. MR. FORD'S ORDERED THIS MORNING. MR. CHAIR, WE'VE PRESENTED THIS REPORT ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS IN THE PAST.
IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO ASK THAT THEY THAT THEY JUST ACCEPT HIM WITHOUT PUTTING QUALIFICATIONS ON THE RECORD. IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, IT'S ON YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT, MR. FORD, WOULD YOU BRIEFLY PROVIDE YOUR WITH YOUR QUALIFICATIONS AS YOUR QUALIFICATIONS AS AN ENGINEER? YES. MY NAME IS MICHAEL FORD, F O R D WITH VAN CLEEF ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES FOR MORE THAN 35 YEARS, APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD BEFORE A GRADUATE OF RUTGERS UNIVERSITY WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING AND HAVE BEEN A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND PLANNER FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? A GUESS HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS BOARD ACCEPTED YOU AS AN ENGINEERING EXPERT FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS? TAKE A GUESS. QUITE A FEW TIMES I DON'T COUNT. DO YOU ACCEPT IT AS AN ENGINEERING? SURE I DO, THANK YOU. AND. AND THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME IS JAKE SMITH. HE DID A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING ON THIS. HE'S A RUTGERS UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING GRADUATE, LIKE MYSELF A FEW YEARS LATER, AND HE'S AN ENGINEER AT OUR OFFICE. AND I ADMIRE HIM TAKING HIS OWN TIME, COMING OUT TO A MEETING TO TO WITNESS THIS, WHEN HE COULD HAVE WATCHED IT ON TV LATER. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WE HAD OCCASION TO REQUEST ASSISTANCE IN PRODUCING SITE PLANS AND RELATED MATERIALS REGARDING THIS APPLICATION THIS EVENING. COULD YOU TAKE THE TIME TO RUN THEM, RUN THROUGH THEM WITH THE BOARD SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THEM ORIENTED AS TO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT? YES. AND SHOULD WE START LOOKING AT SOME EXHIBITS? SURE. NOW WHEN YOU ARE THESE EXHIBITS THAT THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE, ARE THESE COPIES OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE INTO THE BOARD'S FILE ALREADY SUBMITTED BECAUSE THE THE FILES WERE PROVIDED TO US. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DO WE HAVE THIS IN OUR PACKAGE? OKAY. SO CAN YOU JUST REFERENCE. WEARING THEM IN THE PACKAGE? THIS IS. DO YOU HAVE SCREENS IN FRONT OF YOU? YES. OH, SO YOU SEE ALL THIS? YES. SO THIS IS USELESS TO YOU? YEAH. SOME PEOPLE LIKE
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IT. I'M AN OLD GUY. YEAH. SO THIS IS TWO EXHIBITS, COLOR EXHIBITS, RENDERINGS. WHAT WE IDENTIFY. SHOULD WE IDENTIFY THEM SEPARATELY AS A1 AND A2? HOLD UP FOR ONE SECOND, I HAVE YOU. I KNOW YOU HAVE THEM ENOUGH TO PASS OUT. THEY WANT. THAT'S ENOUGH TO PASS OUT FOR YOU. SEE, THESE WERE NOT ON THE WEBSITE. THESE. SO THESE THESE ARE EXHIBITS. YEAH. OKAY. SO THESE WERE SUBMITTED DIGITALLY APPARENTLY. DO YOU HAVE PAPER COPIES OF THESE? YES. HOW MANY PAPER COPIES DO YOU HAVE? A DOZEN. EXCELLENT. CAN YOU HAND SOME OUT AND THEN WE'LL MARK.SO WHATEVER IS UP ON THE SCREEN WE'RE GOING TO MARK AS A1. AND CAN YOU IDENTIFY FOR THE RECORD WHAT IS A1? OKAY. THANK YOU. A1 IS ANY OTHER THEY CAN SHARE THAT FOR ME. I GET ONE AND MAKE SURE OUR BOARD EXPERTS HAVE TWO EXHIBITS. BASICALLY EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITION A1 IS ENTITLED EXISTING CONDITION EXHIBIT DATED. WHAT'S BEING HANDED OUT IS A STAPLED SHEET ONE AND SHEET TWO. CORRECT. SO DO YOU HAVE DOES THIS EXHIBIT HAVE A SHEET ONE AND SHEET TWO ON IT. SO IS IT. YES. OKAY. SO WHAT'S UP THERE. NOW THAT'S DESIGNATED AS 25 06M SITE PLAN.
EXHIBIT THAT SHEET ONE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS SHEET TWO. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE EXHIBIT A1 CONSISTING OF TWO SHEETS. AND IT SAYS SHEET. ONE IS EXISTING CONDITION EXHIBIT AND SHEET TWO IS PROPOSED CONDITION EXHIBIT. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S THE EXHIBIT I SEE UNDER STABLE CARE. YES. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE FIRST SHEET. AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT WITH THE ARROW THE AREA OF OF CONCERN THE EXISTING POOL TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING NASSAU RACKET AND TENNIS CLUB. AND JUST FOR ORIENTATION ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE IS ROUTE 206. THAT'S ONE OF THE FRONTAGES OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 12.7 ACRES IN SIZE. AND THEN TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ARE PAGE LEFT IS A POSSUM ROAD. WE HAVE A SMALL PORTION OF FRONTAGE ON POSSUM ROAD, AND FOR ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE, BACK IN 1998. IN THE LATE 90S, ONE OF THE PRIOR APPLICATIONS WAS TO CARVE OFF A ONE ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR MR. CAMPER'S MOTHER, AND NOW HE OWNS IT. SO THAT'S AT THE REAR OF THE SITE. ONE OF OUR NEAREST NEIGHBORS. AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, THE INITIAL BUILDING IS ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE OR THE NORTH END OF THE SITE, AND I'M HIGHLIGHTING IT NOW. THEN THERE'S A PARKING AREA BETWEEN THAT BUILDING AND THE SECOND BUILDING ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE. THAT SECOND BUILDING WAS THE SUBJECT OF ONE OF THE PRIOR APPLICATIONS FOR THE SITE. SO THESE BUILDINGS DESIGNATED BUILDING ONE AND BUILDING TWO OR BUILDING N AND BUILDING S BUILDING NORTH AND SOUTH WOULD BE FINE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO LABEL THE ONE THAT'S ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND, AND THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE S AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE OUTDOOR COURTS, WHAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN ARE THE EXISTING OUTDOOR TENNIS COURTS. YOU SEE A LITTLE CUL DE SAC CIRCULATION AREA TO THE REAR OF THE TWO BUILDINGS, AND ESSENTIALLY THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE NORTH BUILDING. BUILDING END IS AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S JUST BELOW OR JUST SOUTH OF WHERE THAT EXISTING POOL IS. WE'RE SIMPLY REMOVING THE EXISTING POOL AND PATIO AREA AROUND IT, REPLACING IT WITH THE TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS. THIS IS ALL OUTDOOR, DOESN'T IMPACT, OR THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE INDOOR FACILITIES, AND THE PARKING AREA REMAINS UNCHANGED, AS DOES THE EXISTING ACCESS TO ROUTE 206. THERE'S A SINGLE ACCESS TO ROUTE 206 FOR THE SITE. JUST TO HOUSEKEEPING OUTSIDE AGENCIES. WE'VE ALREADY SECURED THE SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT APPROVAL FOR THE SMALL AREA OF DISTURBANCE TO REPLACE THE POOL WITH THE PICKLEBALL COURT. WAS THAT SUBMITTED INTO THE BOARD FILE THAT WAS ACTUALLY COPIED TO THE TOWN? MUNICIPAL PLANNING BOARD? IT'S DATED NOVEMBER 5TH,
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2025. DO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR IN THE BOARD FILE? WHAT WAS IT? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE DOCUMENT? IT'S THE SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT APPROVAL FOR THE SOIL EROSION AND SEMI CONTROL PLAN AND THE SEE, IT WAS ISSUED DIRECTLY TO BENTON CAMPER, THE APPLICANT, AND IT WAS CC COPIED TO THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP CONSTRUCTION OFFICIAL, THE MUNICIPAL PLANNING BOARD, THE MUNICIPAL ENGINEER IN OUR OFFICE, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT IN OUR FILE. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE COPIES. TELL YOU WHAT, JUST IN CASE, JUST.OH, ABSOLUTELY. OTHER OTHER AGENCIES TOMORROW WE ALSO HAVE APPROVAL DATED MARCH 12TH, 2026 FROM THE SOMERSET COUNTY PLANNING BOARD. DO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR FILE? YES, THAT ONE WE HAVE IN THE FILE. OKAY. AND THEN OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES, WE HAVE A PENDING APPLICATION FOR JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION WITH THE DELAWARE AND RARITAN CANAL COMMISSION. THAT WAS ACTUALLY A REQUESTED AS ONE OF THE REVIEW MEMORANDUMS. AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO SUBMIT A LETTER OF NO INTEREST TO NJ DOT, THE NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THE DE MINIMIS ASPECTS OF THIS APPLICATION. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES IN THE ROUTE. 206 RIGHT AWAY, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD HAVE NO INTEREST. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT IF THE BOARD GETS TO THE POINT OF APPROVING THIS, ONE CONDITION IS YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN THE DELAWARE RARITAN. CANAL COMMITTEE JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION, AND YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN AN NJ DOT LETTER OF NO INTEREST. NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE DELAWARE RARITAN CANAL COMMISSION DOESN'T GIVE YOU DOESN'T DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION. IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE ANY OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCY THAT WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, AND WE'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S JURISDICTION OR APPROVAL.
CORRECT? OKAY. YES. SO THERE'S A SMALL AREA OF DISTURBANCE, THE EXISTING COURTS OR THE POOL WOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE OUTDOOR COURTS. THEY WOULD BE LIT. UP THERE. TWO COURTS THAT BASICALLY FIT IN THE SAME AREA THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED AND DISTURBED BY, BY VIRTUE OF THE POOL IN THE PATIO BEING THERE. A HIGHLIGHT THAT ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED IN THE REVIEW MEMORANDUMS WAS AN IDENTIFICATION THAT THERE'S A 24 INCH TREE AT THE NORTH WESTERLY CORNER OF WHERE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE PROPOSED THAT WAS SLATED TO BE DISTURBED.
I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD ENGINEER THAT WE CAN MAKE A SLIGHT TIGHTENING UP OF OUR PROPOSED GRADING AND PERHAPS EVEN SHIFT THE COURTS SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE EXISTING BUILDING TO AVOID HAVING TO DISTURB THAT 24 INCH TREE. SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE NO TREE DISTURBANCE. THANK YOU. WE'VE DISCUSSED SOME LIGHTING, THE COURTS THEMSELVES. THE TWO NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS WOULD HAVE SITE SPECIFIC LIGHTING FOCUSED DOWNWARD COMPATIBLE WITH ATHLETIC USE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO BE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO BE SAFE. BUT WE WOULD THE THE LIGHTING DESIGN WOULD BE SUCH THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE A RESULT IN SPILLAGE ONTO OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY OR ADVERSE GLARE. AND BY VIRTUE OF THE LOCATION OF THE COURTS BEHIND THE EXISTING BUILDING, YOU OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT AT ALL FROM ROUTE 206, AND IT'S OVER 300FT FROM A POSSUM ROAD. SHOULD I GO RIGHT TO SOUND? YES. OKAY, THE GO BACK. YOU'RE GOING TO SHIFT. WHAT? SO YOU DON'T DISTURB THAT 24 INCH DIAMETER TREE? THE PICKLE, THE PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURTS. I CAN HIGHLIGHT WHERE THAT TREE IS AT RIGHT NOW ON THE EXISTING CONDITION. I SEE RIGHT THERE. AND IT'S EASY REALLY. AND PERHAPS NOW WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO GO TO THE PROPOSED EXHIBIT SHEET. TWO YOU CAN SEE THE TWO COURTS IN THE AREA WHERE THE POOL IS NOW. AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE WE'RE CLOSE TO THAT TREE, BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OF GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THOSE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY GOT SOME DISTURBANCE AND PRIOR DEVELOPMENT WITH RETAINING WALLS THAT'LL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. SMALL. NOT VERY HIGH. RETAINING WALLS
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WILL JUST SHIFT THE COURTS SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE BUILDING AND ENSURE THAT THAT TREE IS NOT DISTURBED. I ASSUME THAT SOMEONE ON THE BOARD, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE AN APPROVAL, IS GOING TO SAY THAT THE SHIFTING OF THE COURT TO AVOID THE 24 INCH DIAMETER TREE SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY RICH BARTOLOME. THE BOARD'S LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT.YES, RICH IS RETIRED NOW. OKAY. DOES THE DOES THE TOWNSHIP HAVE A NEW LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT? I HAVE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IN MY OFFICE WHO WE'VE MADE AVAILABLE FOR FOR THE BOARD FOR ALL APPLICATIONS. KENDRA. LILLY. OKAY. KENDRA LILLY HAPPENS TO ALSO BE A PLANNER. OKAY, SO WE CAN SAY BY THE TOWNSHIP PLANNER AND ANYONE IN OUR OFFICE WHO'S A LICENSED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT. YES. THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. WE MAKE THE CHANGES TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS, BOTH THE PLANNER AND THE AND THE ENGINEER AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITHIN THE PLANNERS OFFICE. JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE THE DRAWINGS REFLECTING THE SHIFT OR YOU HAVE NOT. SO. SO THE. IS THE ENGINEERING BEEN DETERMINED THAT IT DOESN'T EXCEED ANY OR OR FALL INTO ANY OF THE SETBACKS. AND IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF. YEAH, I DID AFTER MR. FORD AND I DISCUSSED IT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE SLIDING IT. WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED EXACTLY HOW FAR, HOW, HOW MUCH THEY'LL BE SLIDING IT TOWARDS THE BUILDING, BUT AS LONG AS THERE'S A SAFE DISTANCE AS FAR AS CIRCULATING AROUND AND ALL THAT, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SLIDE IT.
I IMAGINE ANYTHING MORE THAN IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE. SO YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE ANOTHER 10FT TO 15FT AT THE MOST. IT WOULD BE SLID CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT BUILDINGS HAD TO BE LIKE AT LEAST 25FT AWAY FROM FROM BUILDINGS. YES. LIKE, LIKE, SO THAT'S I, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DISTANCE FOR, FOR LIKE PATIOS FOR COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S RELIEF, THEN OBVIOUSLY PUT IT THIS WAY, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT. THEY'RE NOT SEEKING ANY RELIEF FROM EXACTLY REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. AND IF THEY CAN'T COMPLY WITH THAT AND ALSO SAVE THE TREE, THEY'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO COME BACK HERE, RIGHT? YEP.
OKAY. SO AND THE LIGHTING DESIGN, IT'LL BE APPROVED BY REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY WHO DOES THAT? IS YOUR OFFICE DO LIGHTING DESIGN REVIEW AND APPROVAL? WE DO. AND I'M SURE BETH CAN TOO. SO BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, WE'LL WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTING DESIGN A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THE CONCEPT? YEAH, YEAH. WERE YOU PLANNING ON IT OR YOU CAN DO IT. WELL, WE BESIDES THE TWO THE PLANNER AND THE ENGINEERING REVIEW, WE ALSO RECEIVED A REVIEW MEMORANDUM FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION WITH REGARDS TO LIGHTING. YES. AND THEIR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE LIGHTING BEFORE YOU DO THAT. IS THE LIGHTING SHOWN? WHERE IS THE LIGHTING SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN? IT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE. THAT'S WHY WE RECEIVED COMMENTS ON IT. I KNOW, CAN YOU SHOW THE LIGHTING ON THE ON THE SCREEN? OH, I CAN HIGHLIGHT IT RIGHT ON HERE. IT'S THERE ARE TWO LIGHT POLES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE COURT AND IT HIGHLIGHTS AND JUST IS FOR THAT BASICALLY 60 BY 60 AREA WHERE THE COURTS ARE PROPOSED IS THERE. I KNOW YOU HAVE DETAIL SHEETS ON THE PLAN. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE A DETAILED SHEET OF THE TEN FOOT HIGH FENCE. IS THERE A DETAIL SHEET FOR THE LIGHTS? THERE IS A SHEET FIVE OF THE PLAN SET. YEAH. HERE'S THE LAST SHEET. OKAY. SO CAN YOU PUT SHEET FIVE UP THERE SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT THE. WE CAN'T PUT ANYTHING UP YOUR YOUR THEY DON'T LET US USE THE COMPUTER WHICH SHEET FIVE UP. THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT. MIKE. FIVE. AND WE ALSO HAVE THE LIGHTING. IF THEY CAN GET IT UP IT'LL GO IN HERE. THAT'S. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO WORK. YEAH. I ASSUME AN HDMI CORD YOU'RE PUTTING IN THEIR TWO FOR POLES WITH TWO PICTURES EACH. HOLD ON. YEAH. AND THEY ARE. WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT. ON
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THE LIGHTING DETAIL ON SHEET FIVE IT SAYS MOUNTING HEIGHT, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT THE MOUNTING HEIGHT IS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MOUNTING HEIGHT IS? 20FT. AND I WAS TRYING TO FINISH MY TESTIMONY. WE COMPLY WITH ALL THE TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARDS TO SITE LIGHTING. OKAY, SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE MOUNTING HEIGHT IS 20FT? I KNOW YOU JUST SAID IT. IT'S IT'S STATED ON THE PLAN, BUT IT'S IT'S JUST A AT THE TEXT, THE TEXT IS JUST REALLY BOLD RIGHT NEXT TO THE, THE ENLARGED VERSION. IT'S SO ENLARGED THAT THE TEXT BECAME SO BOLD THAT YOU COULDN'T SEE IT. BUT THERE'S A AND IT SAYS 20FT. IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEXT TO THE ACTUAL COURT PLAN, NOT NOT THE DETAIL, BUT THE COURT PLAN DETAIL SHEET. NOW. YEAH, IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SAME SHEET, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE COURTS ARE. YEAH, THE PLAN VIEW RIGHT HERE, I HAVE THEM UP ON THE SCREEN. I CAN BRING IT UP. IT'S THE SITE PLAN.NO, NOT THAT THE, THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR ON EACH APPS REVISED ONE FIVE THIS ONE.
LET'S SEE EXACTLY 2020 2020 RIGHT AROUND THERE. ONE FIVE. YES, IT WOULD BE. NO IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T STAY ON HERE. IT JUST AS MUCH. YEAH. IT'S JUST IT EQUALS 20FT FOR SCALE PLEASE.
I ALWAYS LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF. YEP. THIS IS THE ONE. THAT'S IT. NOW GO FOR IT. SO YOU ALSO SHOW THE LIGHT DISTRIBUTION PATTERN. AND THAT COMPLIES TOO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHT TRESPASS. CORRECT. AND THE SUGGESTION TO TO CHANGE THE COLOR TEMPERATURE TO 303,000 K, WE'LL COMPLY WITH ALL THE COMMENTS UNDER COMMENT 4.5 IN THE PLANNERS REVIEW MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY 20TH, 2026, WAS THAT YOUR. SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING, MR. FORD WAS.
WAS THAT YOUR INTENTION TO TO PUT IT AT 38 100 K OR IS IT SPECIFIED. NO, WE WERE ACTUALLY HIGHER. AND WE'RE. WE WOULD BE REDUCE IT TO TO THE SUGGESTED 3000. IT'S 3000. CORRECT. GREAT.
BUT YOU WANTED IT TO BE HIGHER. WHERE IS THIS. AS NOTED HERE. WHAT DID YOU WANT IS WHAT I'M ASKING. THE 3000 IS FINE. 3000 IS FINE. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS THEY MADE, WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH OKAY. AND THE WHOLE REPORT OR JUST LIGHTING ACTUALLY IN THE WHOLE PLANNING REPORT, I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ANY ISSUES. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO ALL THE DETAILS YET. BEAUTIFUL THING. THERE'S SOME REQUESTS FOR TESTIMONY AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD GO FOR THE ENGINEERS REVIEW AS WELL. THE ENGINEER'S REVIEW MEMORANDUM IS ALSO DATED FEBRUARY 20TH, 2026. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AND REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILS? CLARIFICATIONS REGARDING INFORMATION SUCH AS THE SMALL RETAINING WALLS TO BE DISTURBED.
WE'LL ADDRESS ALL THOSE COMMENTS TO BOTH THE PLANNER AND ENGINEERS. SATISFACTION.
OKAY, HE SAID THEY COMPLIED TO AND WE GOT YOU COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING IN THE PLANNERS MEMO, EVERYTHING IN THE ENGINEER'S MEMO. AND WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE MEMO AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEMO? I MENTIONED ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. THAT'S THE ONE WE HAVE IS DATED FEBRUARY 20TH OR FEBRUARY 19TH, 2026. ANYTHING IN THERE A PROBLEM OR AN ISSUE THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, OR DO YOU AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IN THERE? WELL, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING LEED STANDARDS. WE'RE JUST TAKING OUT A POLE AND REPLACING A PICKLEBALL. NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, BUT WE. WHICH ITEM IS THAT? THAT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST ITEM, A ONE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEMO.
AND LET'S ASK BETH, CAN YOU BUILD AN OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURT TO LEAD STANDARDS? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NOT THAT I'M AWARE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WOULD BE COMPLIED WITH FROM LEAD IT PERHAPS LIGHTING, BUT I THINK, WELL WE CAN. YEAH. SO THE BOARD IS ALRIGHT WITH SCRATCHING OUT ONE. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT MEMO GIVE YOU A PROBLEM. AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO BE NOISE. YEAH ACTUALLY WAS ABOUT TO DESCRIBE THAT. AS I
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STATED EARLIER, THERE'S A TEN FOOT HIGH FENCE AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT, AND I'LL USE THE LIGHTING EXHIBIT. OH, I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE POINTER. OKAY.WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO GO? OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I THINK I, I CAN JUST WELL, SO THE, THE, THERE WAS COMMENTS IN, IN BOTH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEMO, BUT ALSO IN THE PLANNERS MEMO REGARDING CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE. AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, WE HAVE SEVEN EXISTING OUTDOOR TENNIS COURTS ALREADY THAT PRODUCE NOISE. AFTER SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AND SOME RESEARCH SINCE WE WERE ADJOURNED AT THE FEBRUARY MEETING, WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS A PROPOSAL. AND HERE'S THE HIGHLIGHT NOW IS THAT WE WOULD PUT A IT'S IT'S A SOUND ATTENUATION MATERIAL, LIKE A MAT THAT GOES ON THE FENCE. AND WE WOULD PROVIDE IT ON THE NORTH END OF THE FENCE FACING OUR NEAREST PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH AND HALF OF THE FENCE ON THE WEST SIDE. PART OF THE CONCERN IS THERE ACTUALLY IS MATTING ON SOME OF THE FENCES ALREADY, NOT NECESSARILY FOR FOR NOISE, BUT FOR SCREENING. BUT THAT'S A MAT THAT ALLOWS WIND TO BLOW THROUGH. THIS MAT BECAUSE OF ITS STRUCTURE, WOULD NOT ALLOW WIND TO GO THROUGH.
SO WE'D LIKE TO PUT IT EXACTLY WHERE IT'S NEEDED, BUT NOT WHERE IT'S NOT NEEDED. AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THE PORTION OF THE FENCE FACING THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE EXISTING COURT OPEN SO THAT IF PEOPLE ARE WAITING TO PLAY OR. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WATCHING SOMEBODY PLAY, THEY CAN STILL SEE IT AND THERE'S NOT A MAT IN THE WAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE NOISE. ALTHOUGH THE NOISE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING USE ON THE SITE, WHICH IS RACKET AND TENNIS, DO YOU THINK THE SOUND OF A TENNIS RACKET HITTING A TENNIS BALL IS THE SAME? IT'S THE SOUND OF A PICKLEBALL HITTING A PICKLEBALL RACKET. THAT WAS NOT MY TESTIMONY, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT ROUND. BUT BUT CERTAINLY ONE CAN SEE THE THIS IS NOT A SITE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY TENNIS OR RACKET GOING ON. NOW. WE WILL WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF PICKLEBALL. AND AS I'VE STATED, THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY RECOGNIZED THE CONCERN, DONE THE RESEARCH TO TO PROVIDE A MATERIAL TO ATTENUATE SOUND. AND THAT'S COUPLED WITH THE EXISTING NATURAL BUFFER AND GREEN AREA, BOTH ALONG OUR NORTHERLY TRACK BOUNDARY. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE WESTERLY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, THE OUTDOOR TENNIS COURTS AND OPOSSUM ROAD. THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF NATURAL VEGETATION. AND ALSO CHANGES IN RELIEF.
I'LL SAY THE THE ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, THE THE TOPOGRAPHY, IT DOES THE PICKLEBALL PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURT SIT LOWER THAN THE HOUSE THAT'S TO THE NORTH. YES. HOW MUCH? I DON'T. IN MY HOUSE. THAT'S. YEAH. THE THE EXISTING HOUSE, THE PROPERTY LINE THAT THAT EXISTING HOUSE ON THE NORTH. AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT THE AREA. IS IT APPROXIMATELY 107 ELEVATION PLUS. AND THE PROPOSED COURTS ARE AT BELOW 104. SO AT LEAST FOUR FEET LOWER. AND HOW FAR AWAY IS IT? THE HOUSE. IT'S ABOUT 160FT. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR NOTIFICATION OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES TO THAT THIS WILL BE ADDED. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICED, RIGHT? I KNOW THEY WERE NOTICED, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND OKAY. IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT THE NOTICE WHAT THE INTENT WAS IN THE NOTICE. I'M NOT SURE HE WENT DID DID DID THEY? WE DIDN'T INCLUDE A NOTICE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NOISE ABATEMENT OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. THE WORD PICKLEBALL WAS USED IN THE NOTICE. DOES IT? THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. THE NOTICE THE NOTICE IN MY OPINION WAS SUFFICIENT. THANK YOU. OKAY.
TO CONTINUE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEMORANDUM, WE JUST ADDRESSED B ONE UNDER C. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS DEFER TO ALL THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS IN THE PLANNERS MEMORANDUM. I THINK THERE'S SOME OVERLAPPING REQUIREMENTS. SO I PERHAPS ONE WAY OF ADDRESSING C LIGHTING IS THAT THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO CROSS OUT C AND SAY THE PLANNERS
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COMMENTS REGARDING LIGHTING SHALL BE CONDITIONS, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN PAGE TWO D I'VE DESCRIBED OUR ACTIONS THAT WILL TAKE TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING 24 INCH TREE, RIGHT.SO THAT CAN ALSO BE CROSSED OUT BECAUSE THERE'S A CONDITION THAT'S GOING TO SAY TO SHIFT THE COURT TO PRESERVE THE 24 INCH DIAMETER TREE TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD PLANNING EXPERT'S OFFICE BY ONE OF THEIR LICENSED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL EXPERTS.
CORRECT? CORRECT. SO ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE ITEMS A THROUGH D ARE DEFERRED AND ADDRESSED BY THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS. GOING BACK TO THE SOUND. WOULD YOU AGREE TO ADHERE TO THE NEW JERSEY NOISE STANDARDS? NEW JERSEY NOISE CODE, WHICH IS I'M NOT AWARE OF THE TOWNSHIP HAVING A NOISE CODE, BUT THE. WE'RE BOUND BY THE NEW JERSEY, THE NEW JERSEY 65 D, B, D OR D DECIBELS AND THE NIGHT RESTRICTIONS. YES. OKAY. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, AND THAT'S ENFORCEABLE BY YOUR ZONING OFFICER. NO IT'S NOT THAT'S ENFORCEABLE BY IF YOU HAVE A STATUTE FOR IT. YEAH. THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. YEAH. EACH COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. SO IF ANY NEIGHBORS THINK IT'S TOO NOISY, THEY CALL UP THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND EVERY SINGLE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS A METER AND THEY CAN GO OUT AND MEASURE IT. AND THEY'RE THE ENFORCEMENT AGENT FOR THE NEW JERSEY STATE NOISE CODE. AND LET'S JUST ASK OUR ENGINEER. SO I'M NOT TESTIFYING. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WHAT IS THE NOISE THE DB STANDARD DURING THE DAY. AND WHAT TIME IS THAT AND THE STANDARD AT NIGHT. AND WHAT TIME IS THAT. YEAH, THE DAYTIME STANDARD FROM 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M.
IS 65DB AT THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. AND THE EVENING STANDARD FROM 10 P.M. TO 7 A.M. IS 50DB AT THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. COULD I ASK A FOLLOW UP ON THAT? DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF THE NEARBY OUTDOOR LIGHTED COURTS STAY IN PRINCETON, HAVE A, YOU KNOW, TIME? DO THEY STOP AT 10:00? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THEIR TIME TOWNSHIP ONES ARE NOT LIT. OH. IN PRINCETON. NO, I KNOW IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP THE SIX COURTS WE HAVE ARE NOT RIGHT. I THINK PRINCETON HAS A LOT OF RECORDS, AND I THINK THEY MIGHT THEY MAY HAVE A 10:00 SHUT OFF, BUT I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. I'M, I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THOSE COURTS TO KNOW THEIR THEIR TIMES. I APOLOGIZE HOW MANY COURTS ARE RESIDENTIAL LINE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT. BE THE ONE IN THE BACK. AND THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE THAT SOUND BUFFER THERE. YEAH. THE, THE, THE STANDARD IS THAT THE, THE SOUND IS MEASURED AT THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. SO, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT'S ADJACENT TO LOT FIVE IS THE LINE I'M SPEAKING OF. YES. SO A PERSON COMPLAINING, RIGHT? IF THEY LIVE THERE, THEY WOULD COMPLAIN. THEY WOULD CALL UP THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD BE INVITED ON TO THEIR PROPERTY. THEY WOULD TAKE THE MEASUREMENT AT THE PROPERTY LINE. RIGHT. HOW WOULD THEY KNOW TO CALL THERE? THEY PROBABLY FIRST CALL THE TOWNSHIP 100%, 100%. THEY'RE GOING TO CALL THE TOWN AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL THEM TO CALL THE THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. CORRECT? CORRECT. MR. FORD, HOW MANY COURTS ARE PROPOSED? TWO. HOW MANY? WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PLAYERS THAT COULD PLAY AT A TIME? IT'S TYPICALLY, I THINK, TWO ON EACH SIDE TO BE EIGHT TOTAL. SO EIGHT TOTAL AT ANY TIME. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED. NEVER PLAYED PICKLEBALL. WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO A 10:00 TIMER FOR THE LIGHTS THAT THEY GO OFF AT 10 P.M. I THINK I DEFER TO THE OPERATIONS THAT'S CAN YOU COME BACK? CAN YOU COME UP? YEAH, JUST SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. SO THE BOARD MEMBER'S QUESTION IS PODIUMS FINE? YEAH. HOW WAS THE 10 P.M. NO, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. GREAT. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN. YEAH. GO AHEAD. DO YOU ANTICIPATE IN YOUR PROGRAMING ANY TOURNAMENTS THAT WOULD ATTRACT LARGER CROWDS, WHICH WOULD IMPACT BOTH PARKING AND TRAFFIC ON 206? NO. GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED LOT, IT'S NOT TOURNAMENT REGULATION. SO NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. SO NOW THE OPEN SPACE MEMO. I GUESS YOUR RESPONSE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME LIGHTING. WE'VE AGREED TO THE THE PLANNER SUGGESTED CONDITIONS. CORRECT. THAT'S C. THAT'S ALL. SECTION C. AND AND
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THAT'S A AND B ARE BASICALLY INFORMATIONAL CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I MEAN CERTAINLY UNDER B2 UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL ACCESS TO THE SITE BE MADE THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP PROPERTY WHICH IS TO OUR NORTH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEAREST RESIDENT WHICH AFFRONTS ON OPOSSUM ROAD. THERE'S LOT FOUR TO OUR NORTH, WHICH FRONTS ON ROUTE 206, AS WELL AS OPOSSUM ROAD, WHICH IS TOWNSHIP OWNED LAND. AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T ACCESS THE PROPERTY, THE SITE THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP LAND. CAN I GO ON TO THE OTHER. ALL RIGHT. SO FROM A WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE THE BOARD ENGINEER AND THE BOARD PLANNERS MEMORANDUMS WITH REGARDS TO CONDITIONS AND CHANGES TO THE PROJECT PLANS WITH REGARDS TO RELIEF. THERE ARE SOME BULK STANDARDS STANDARDS THAT EXIST TODAY THAT WE DON'T COMPLY WITH. THEY'RE NOT EXACERBATED OR CAUSED BY THIS APPLICATION, AND THEY INCLUDE OUR FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM ROUTE 206, BUILDING COVERAGE AND LOT COVERAGE. PART OF THE APPLICATION IS REMOVING OF AN EXISTING PERVIOUS COVERAGE AREA TO REPLACE IT WITH NEW IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.AND OUR GOAL IN DEVELOPING THESE PLANS OVER THE LAST YEAR HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HAVE A NET ZERO IMPACT, OR ACTUALLY A SLIGHT DECREASE IN TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. WE DON'T WANT TO TRIGGER SOME STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REVIEW REQUIREMENTS, AND WE'RE IN EXISTING ALREADY DEVELOPED AREAS, IF YOU WILL. WITH REGARDS TO THE PLANNING ASPECTS, OUR FIRST BEFORE I, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO CLARIFY THE CURRENT EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AS SHOWN ON THIS MINOR SITE PLAN AND USE VARIANCE WAS THE RESULT OF A DETAILED ENGINEERING CALCULATION BASED ON A CURRENT SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY DONE RECENTLY. THE PRIOR APPLICATION, STARTING BACK IN 1998, DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A CURRENT SURVEY AT THE TIME, AND ALSO OUR METHODS AND METHODOLOGIES AND TECHNIQUES DIDN'T PRODUCE AS ACCURATE AND IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ANALYSIS AS THEY DO TODAY. AND I'LL SAY ALSO THE WHAT QUALIFIES AS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE PERHAPS IS TRANSITIONED SOMEWHAT OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, BUT I'LL STATE TO THE BOARD THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE SITE TODAY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRIOR APPROVALS. THAT IS THE BUILDINGS I'VE SHOWN, THE PARKING AREAS THAT WERE EXPANDED AS PART OF PRIOR APPROVALS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE PRIOR APPROVALS, AND THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON STORMWATER RUNOFF BY VIRTUE OF THE SMALL AREA OF DISTURBANCE AND THE HOLDING AND BOUNDING OURSELVES BY NO NET INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. YES, I HAVE TO. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING I UNDERSTAND, SO I'M LOOKING AT BETH'S CHART ON PAGE TWO OF HER MEMO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE FRONT YARD SETBACK EXISTING IS 164.9FT. IT'S REMAINING THE SAME, 164 9.9FT. BETH CORRECTLY POINTS OUT PRE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY. I UNDERSTAND THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE EXISTING AT 12.37%. YOU'RE NOT CHANGING IT. IT REMAINS AT 12.37% BECAUSE AN OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURT DOESN'T ADD TO THE BUILDING COVERAGE BECAUSE IT'S GOING WHERE A POOL IS AND IT'S NOT A BUILDING IN ANY EVENT. IT'S A STRUCTURE. IT'S A PREEXISTING NONCONFORMITY. WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS IF THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE EXISTING IS 21.5%, AND IT'S GOING DOWN TO 21.4%, WHY IS A VARIANCE? WELL, WE'RE OVER 15. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU NEVER UNLIKE MINIMUM FRONT YARD AND UNLIKE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE, YOU ACTUALLY HAD C1 VARIANCES GRANTED IN THE PAST, BUT FOR MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE YOU DIDN'T KNOW WE DID IT. SO WHY IS MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE DIFFERENT THAN THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE AND THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD? I GUESS I'M ASKING BETH. SO PART OF THE PART OF THE REASON WHY I IDENTIFIED THAT IS I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE THE COURT SURFACE WAS BEING COUNTED TOWARDS IMPERVIOUS COVER, IF THAT WAS CONTRIBUTING TO THE 21.5% OR. NO, THERE SEEMED TO BE A NO IN THE IN THE APPLICATION THAT THE. THE CLAY COURT DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS IMPERVIOUS COVER. AND
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IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME TESTIMONY. AND IF THAT'S IF THAT WAS A MISS, SURE.THAT TOO. NO, I CAN I CAN ADDRESS THAT. THE PRIOR APPROVALS DID PROVIDE FOR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE RELIEF. AT THAT TIME. THE CLAY COURTS WEREN'T CONSIDERED. AND AND THE CALCULATION YOU SEE THE 21.5 AND THE 21.4 DOESN'T CONSIDER THESE EXISTING OUTDOOR CLAY COURTS AS IMPERVIOUS. THEY ACTUALLY ARE. PLEASE LET ME FINISH. THEY ARE ACTUALLY. HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY DRAIN SO WELL IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM WET AND NOT DUST UP.
WHAT I'LL TELL YOU IS WE'VE. SINCE WE WERE ADJOURNED FROM THE FEBRUARY MEETING, WE'VE DONE AN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE CALCULATION THAT INCLUDES THE CLAY COURTS, AND THAT IS. 27.4 IS THE EXISTING. SO IT'S ABOUT 4% MORE IF YOU INCLUDE THE CLAY COURTS. OKAY. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE IN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITION THAT THAT HASN'T CHANGED. RIGHT. YEAH.
WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT. AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU CONSIDER IMPERVIOUS AND NOT IMPERVIOUS. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, CLAY COURTS WERE NOT CONSIDERED, AT LEAST BY THE TOWNSHIP AS A AS IMPERVIOUS. LOT COVERAGE IN THE PRIOR APPROVALS, ASSUMING IT IS THE VARIANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN INSTEAD OF FOR 21.5% WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR 27.4%. CORRECT. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE PROPOSED NOW, INCLUDING THE CLAY COURTS? IT WOULD BE 24 OR EXCUSE ME, 27.3. SO THAT'S SAME POINT ONE. SO WHERE WHERE IS THAT POINT 1% COVERED. HOW DO WE GET LESS. BECAUSE BY VIRTUE OF TAKING OUT MORE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAN WE PUT BACK WITH THE TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS, WE HAVE A SLIGHT DECREASE. OKAY. THERE'S A NET DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT SHOULD BE A NEW VARIANCE, EVEN THOUGH THE REASONS FOR IT ARE THAT IN REALITY IT WAS ALWAYS THERE. BUT TECHNICALLY IT NEEDS A NEW VARIANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I'LL SAY TOO FOR THE I'M NOT SURE WHO WAS HERE IN 90 IN THE LATE 90S, BUT THE, THE, ALL THE PRIOR APPROVALS. SO WE SPOKE TO THE, THE FACILITY BEING THERE SINCE 1971. THE. BUILDING AND THE CLAY COURTS AND THE PARKING AND THIS OUTDOOR COURT BEHIND THE BUILDING WERE ALL THERE. SO ALL THE PRIOR ACTION WITH THE APPROVALS WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SOUTH BUILDING, EXPANSION OF THE PARKING AREA. SO THOSE CLAY COURTS HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE ANY BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SAW THIS. THAT WAS PART OF THE PRIOR APPROVAL DATING PRIOR TO 1990S. HAD THE MISS MCMANUS HAVE THE STANDARDS CHANGED TO TO TO CHANGE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE DEFINITION OR THE IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL DEFINITION, OR IS JUST A SUBJECTIVE REASONING THAT THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED THIS TIME? I DON'T KNOW THAT THE TOWNSHIP DEFINITION HAS CHANGED, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME. I MEAN, I HEAR THE TESTIMONY FROM MR. FORD, BUT IT SEEMS THAT I GUESS THE SHORT ANSWER, IT'S SUBJECTIVE OPINION, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THEY OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS COVER. THERE MAY BE GOOD REASONS WHY THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE INCREASED NUMBER, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT OPEN GROUND THAT. I GUESS THE ONLY CONSIDERATION THAT I HAVE IS, IS IF WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR 27.3 AND SOME TIME LATER THEY COME BACK AND SAY THAT THEY WANTED NON IMPERVIOUS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED WHATEVER OTHER MATERIAL COURTS ARE MADE OUT OF THAT WOULD WORSEN THE CONDITION OF THE, OF THE TOWN. AND, AND WE WOULD. YEAH. AND GRASS. WELL EVERYTHING HERE IS MADE OUT OF CLAY, BUT YOU KNOW LIKE I MEAN. RIGHT. I MEAN, I, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. I GUESS ONE POINT OF DISTINCTION IS WE'RE NOT TALKING THE IT'S NOT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENT.
IT'S A LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT. SO I THINK IT'S ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE. YEAH. FOR, FOR THE BOARD TO, TO CONSIDER THESE COURTS AS PART OF THAT LOT COVERAGE. YEAH. AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE I'M SURE IT WILL BE WELL DOCUMENTED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THAT THE COURTS ARE BEING COVERED CONSIDERED LOT COVERAGE, THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED TESTIMONY THAT THEIR IRRIGATED AT TIMES TO KEEP THEM WET AND EVERYTHING. THERE'S STILL PART OF THE LOT COVERAGE. THAT'S MY OPINION I THINK, BETH, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT CONDITION, FRANKLY. YEAH, YEAH. WE'LL INCLUDE THE CALCULATION ON THE AMENDED PLANS TO THEIR SATISFACTION. THAT HIGHLIGHTS HOW WE CAN WE DETERMINE THAT?
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YEAH. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A GOOD YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LIKE DRAINAGE AND THE STORMWATER RUNOFF, WE'RE IN A BETTER CONDITION NOW THAN WE COULD HAVE BEEN WITH. IF YOU HAD BUILT THESE WITH CEMENT COURTS OR WHATEVER I'M SAYING, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF IN THE FUTURE, IF WE GRANT A LOT COVERAGE VARIANCE FOR 27.3, AND THAT'S NOW ON THE BOOKS, THEY COULD REPLACE THE CLAY COURTS WITH CEMENT COURTS WITHOUT COMING BEFORE THE BOARD. AGAIN, LET ME PUT IT AS A RESTRICTION. SO I DON'T GO AHEAD. IT SEEMS THAT IT SEEMS THAT THE BOARD COULD CRAFT A CONDITION THAT PREVENTED THAT OCCURRENCE, BUT ALSO THE REASON, IF THE BOARD'S INCLINED TO GRANT THE VARIANCE, IT SEEMS THAT PART OF THE SUPPORT THAT CAN BE CITED IN THE RESOLUTION, BECAUSE THESE ARE TYPICALLY THIS SURFACE. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. I THINK. GIVE ME SLOWLY EXACTLY WHAT IS THE. IT'S AN UNDERDRAIN. IS THERE AN UNDERDRAIN UNDER THE CLAY COURT OR DOES THE. YOU'RE JUST WETTING THE COURT AND IT EVAPORATES. DOES THE WATER ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THE CLAY AND IF SO, HOW? I THINK THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY PERHAPS BETTER SUITED TO ANSWER THAT, I'M ONLY AWARE OF THE SURFACE AND THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. I CAN SEE THAT YOUR IRRIGATING. YOU'RE IRRIGATING THE CLAY. BUT IS THERE SOME SYSTEM THERE WHERE IT ACTUALLY IS A RETENTION OR DOES IT DRAIN? IS THERE, ARE THERE PIPES OR. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I ASSUME WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU PUT WATER ON THE. CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE? WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU WET THE CLAY? DO YOU DRY IT OFF? DO YOU GET THE CLAY WET, DRY OFF THE EXCESS? DOES IT EVAPORATE? WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT? THAT'S FINE TOO. DO YOU KNOW? OKAY, THAT'S FINE, BUT NO. DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T REALLY KNOW. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD ASK THAT. BUT I'M NEVER SAYING MY KID IN FRONT OF YOU, BRO. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THERE WERE SEVEN OUTDOOR COURTS, BUT I ONLY COUNT FIVE. DID YOU SAY SEVEN? YEAH. DID TWO. THE TWO NEW ONES WILL BE MAKE A SEVEN. OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S NO DRAINS. THERE'S YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIAL UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM UNDER THE CLAY COURTS, ARE YOU. I'VE. YEAH. I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT. I, I KNOW THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM AT GRADE BUT PUTS WATER ON THEM. CORRECT. YEAH. BUT MY EXPERIENCE WITH HAR-TRU COURTS IS, IS THAT THEY ARE CLAY, BUT, BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR IS A LITTLE BIT OF POROSITY. IT'S FINE MATERIAL.IT ABSORBS THE, THE ACTUAL MOISTURE AND AND THEN IF IT STAYS, IF IT, IF IT'S INUNDATED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THEN YES, THE WATER IT ACTS AS AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND WATER RUNS OFF. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YES. GRAVEL OR STONE. THAT'S A LOT COVERAGE THAT'S CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS. CORRECT. PARKING IN A PARKING AREA. EXISTING AND EXISTING COMPACTED GRAVEL IS CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IN FACT, SOME WATER DRIPS THROUGH IT. THAT'S 100% CORRECT. AND JUST TO ANSWER THE CHAIRMAN'S QUESTION FROM EARLIER ABOUT ABOUT CHANGES IN SURFACE AND HOW THAT RELATES AS FAR AS DRAINAGE GOES, ANYTIME THERE'S A CHANGE OF THAT TYPE, WE USUALLY RECOMMEND THAT EITHER IT'S AN AMENDED APPROVAL OF SOME KIND OR SOME SORT OF REVIEW. AND THERE'S THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN ZONING DIFFERENTIATION, LOT COVERAGE. LIKE I SAID, THIS COUNTS TOWARDS LOT COVERAGE. BUT WHEN THERE'S A MATERIAL CHANGE IN SURFACE, WE WE DO LOOK AT THAT PRETTY CLOSELY AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE CHARACTERISTICS GO. SO JUST JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS CHANGING FROM GRAVEL TO IMPERVIOUS, IT MAY NOT NEED A LOT COVERAGE VARIANCE, BUT IT STILL SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND ADDRESSED AS FAR AS STORMWATER RUNOFF GOES, BECAUSE ANY APPLICATION YES, ANY APPLICATION AND ALL A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THERE'S AN EXISTING FACILITY THAT COMES IN WITH THAT KIND OF CHANGE, I KNOW THAT ESPECIALLY HERE, YOU HAVE TWO, TWO SORT OF LINES OF DEFENSE. YOU HAVE THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER WHO'S ALSO VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN PARTICULAR ABOUT THOSE THINGS, AND THEN MY OFFICE, WHO ARE ALSO KNOWLEDGEABLE IN PARTICULAR ABOUT THOSE THINGS. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE BENEFIT, IF IT'S AC2 VARIANCE FOR COVERS, THE BENEFIT IS THEY'RE LOWERING IT FROM 27.4% TO 27.3%. THAT'S FINE. AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. WITH REGARDS TO THE USE, I THINK ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THIS ISN'T EVEN AN INTENSIFICATION OF USE. YOU KNOW, THE POOL COULD HOUSE MORE THAN EIGHT PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO THE TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS. BUT WITH REGARDS TO THE PICKLEBALL COURT CAN BE USED ALL YEAR ROUND UNLESS IT'S SNOW ON THE GROUND. BUT THE POOL'S ONLY USED DURING THE SUMMER. SO THAT BALANCE THAT OUT, RIGHT? YEAH. THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CRITERIA. WE BELIEVE THAT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL RECREATIONAL USE THAT VIS A VIS THE IN-GROUND
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POOL WITH THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AT A FACILITY THAT'S TITLED RACKET AND TENNIS CLUB IS APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE. I'VE STATED ALREADY THAT PART OF ONE OF THE PRIOR APPROVALS THAT WAS GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT INCLUDED A SUBDIVISION THAT CREATED A RESIDENTIAL LOT IN THE R-2 ZONE FRONTING A POSSUM ROAD, ALBEIT PROBABLY OUR NEXT CLOSEST NEIGHBOR, AND FOUND THAT TO BE COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT AND ACCEPTABLE, AND THAT THE FACILITY HAS EXISTED FOR OVER 55 YEARS. WITH REGARDS TO NEGATIVE CRITERIA WE DON'T SEE.SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE CRITERION. ISN'T THE POSITIVE CRITERION THAT THIS THING IS GOING TO MEET A NEED. THERE'S A NEED FOR IT. RIGHT. THE WITNESS TESTIFIED THERE'S A NEED. THIS IS GOING TO SATISFY THAT NEED. YEAH, I WAS GETTING TO THAT. I THOUGHT THAT'S THAT'S THE POSITIVE CRITERION, NOT THE NEGATIVE. YEAH I UNDERSTAND AND THE COMPATIBILITY WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA GIVEN THERE'S A CHALLENGE IN OPERATING AND MANAGING THE IN-GROUND POOL, COUPLED WITH THE GROWING POPULARITY OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING TENNIS AND RACKET CLUB. THIS USE, AND THE PROPOSED USE OF THE TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECREATIONAL USE THAT'S EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 55 YEARS. I DIDN'T WANT TO BELABOR TOO MANY POINTS. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M GETTING MIXED UP. WE SHOULD GO FASTER OR SLOWER AND THE AND THE START AND STOP IS HARD FOR THIS BOARD. NEGATIVE. THE ONLY NEGATIVE. AND WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONSIDERED, I BELIEVE IS REALLY THE NOISE ISSUE. AND BY VIRTUE OF ADDING IN THE NOISE ATTENUATION AND AGREEING OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY TO A COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE NOISE STANDARDS IS ADDRESSING OR MITIGATING THAT POTENTIAL NEGATIVE. AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE PURPOSES OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S ORDINANCES PURPOSES UNDER THE TOWN CODE. I BELIEVE THIS APPLICATION ADVANCES PURPOSES A, C, D, G, AND I AND LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT G TO PROMOTE SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS OF A VARIETY OF RECREATIONAL USES. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. AND THEN I TO PROMOTE DESIRABLE ENVIRONMENTAL. THROUGH CREATIVE DESIGN TECHNIQUES AND GOOD CIVIC DESIGN. IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE OUR DESIGN ADDRESSES THAT BY VIRTUE OF REPLACING AN EXISTING. AS YOU'VE HEARD TESTIMONY ALREADY, POOL FACILITY THAT'S IN A CONDITION.
AND BECAUSE OF ISSUES LIKE COVID BECAME UNUTILIZED WITH A COMPATIBLE RECREATIONAL USE IN THE SAME AREA WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT IS NOT EXPANDED. ADDRESSES THAT PURPOSE OF THE ML, U L AND IT'S FOR THAT REASON WE BELIEVE THAT THE RELIEF SOUGHT THIS EVENING SHOULD BE GRANTED. ARE THERE ANY. I GUESS I'LL I'LL GO OVER TO OUR ENGINEER AND PLANNER NEXT TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE DIVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION. AS FAR AS OUR REVIEW GOES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS COVERED ALL THE ITEMS THAT WERE REQUESTED TESTIMONY. I'M SORRY. THERE'S ONE ITEM WHERE WE REQUEST TESTIMONY THAT HASN'T MAYBE BEEN COVERED JUST YET, AND THAT'S REGARDING THE. THE MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS MANUAL FOR THE THAT WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL THAT WAS PART OF A PRIOR APPROVAL WAS A SMALL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY. AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT IT NOW IN THIS AREA, AT THE END OF THE PARKING AREA, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MAINTENANCE MANUAL THAT WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT PROPOSAL. AND THIS IS ITEM TEN A AND THEN UNDER ITEM TEN B IN THE REVIEW MEMORANDUM. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT DOES FILL OUT THE ONLINE INSPECTION REPORT INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SO IT IS REGISTERED AND THEY DO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
IDENTIFYING THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND AND UPKEEP OF THAT FACILITY. THANKS. OTHER
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THAN THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE WITNESSES, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE. SORRY. WHAT IS THAT FACILITY? THE IT'S IT'S A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY THAT WAS THAT WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION. MIKE, CAN YOU TELL THE BOARD EXACTLY WHAT THE FACILITY IS? ACTUALLY, IT'S A SMALL. THERE'S AN EXISTING SWALE AT THE END OF THE PARKING AREA. THE DRAINAGE FROM THE PARKING AREA COLLECTS AND ACTUALLY RUNS DOWN LIKE A.CHANNEL IT TOWARD THE EXISTING WATER FEATURE THAT THEN CONTINUES ON UNDER OPOSSUM ROAD.
AND AS PART OF THE PRIOR APPROVAL, THERE WAS BASICALLY A. AND THIS IS PROBABLY PREDATES THE DEP REQUIREMENTS AND THE EMPHASIS ON WATER QUALITY. IT WAS A LITTLE WATER QUALITY MEASURE WHETHER A CHECK DAM, IF YOU WILL, WAS ESTABLISHED ACROSS THAT DRAINAGE FEATURE TO HOLD BACK, IF YOU WILL, THAT FIRST FLUSH OFF THE PARKING LOT AND PROVIDE SOME WATER QUALITY MEASURES. SO. AND WHAT WAS REQUIRED BACK THEN WAS THAT THE THERE BE A RESTRICTION FILED TO ENSURE THE PROPER MAINTENANCE OF THAT FACILITY, NOT NECESSARILY THE ACTUAL MANUAL BEING FILED. SO JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THE MANUAL WAS FILED. BUT THE MORE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BEING MAINTAINED AND IT'S REGISTERED WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND REPORTS ARE BEING PROVIDED, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE TESTIMONY THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO ELICIT. IS THAT AN ITEM IN YOUR REPORT? IT IS. THAT'S ITEM TEN A AND TEN B IN OUR REPORT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL MY ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? AND THEN WE CAN GO TO BOARD COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION. YES, YES. GO AHEAD. QUESTION HOW. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHO AND THIS WILL BE FROM THE BOARD, STAFF AND PROFESSIONALS CERTIFIES THAT THE DANCE ACADEMIES ARE NO LONGER THERE. OKAY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A CONDITION SAYING THAT PRIOR TO THE ZONING OFFICER ISSUING A ZONING PERMIT FOR THIS FACILITY, HE GOES OUT THERE AND HE VERIFIES THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER THERE. THAT ACCEPTABLE CONDITION. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION? YOU SAID THAT THE HOUSE IS 160FT, THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE WHAT WAS IT, 100 AND YEAH, ON LOT FIVE, OUR OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, 160. RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. THEN BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APPLICATION. I'LL KICK IT OFF. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED A NEED. THE DEMAND IS THERE FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS. IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING USE FOR ME JUST TO SATISFY THAT NEGATIVE CRITERIA. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE 10 P.M.
LIGHT TIMER AS A CONDITION, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE CRITERIA.
IN MY VIEW. I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. I AGREE WITH MR. WOOD'S COMMENTS. I THINK THIS TOWN LITERALLY KIND OF SHUTS DOWN ABOUT 845. SO USUALLY I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE ANYBODY AFTER NINE, BUT I THINK HAVING THE. TEN KNOWING THAT IT COINCIDES WITH WHAT MOST OF WHAT PRINCETON TOWNSHIP DOES, THEY USUALLY SAY THE TOWN ROLLS UP THE SIDEWALKS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE NOISE ISSUE KIND OF HEAD ON TOO. YOU KNOW, I AM CONCERNED, I THINK THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE NOISE AND AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PRESS ABOUT THESE PARKS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN COMMUNITIES. AND THE PICKLEBALL IS AN INCESSANT NOISE, ANNOYANCE. HOWEVER, I, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB HERE OF MEETING THE THAT CONCERN WITH BUFFERS THAT YOU'VE DECIDED TO PLACE UP. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO THANK YOU TO THE OWNERS AND OF THAT FOR FOR DOING THAT. I ALSO THINK IT'S GREAT. THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE POINT OF THE TREES TO THE TREES SERVE AS NATURAL BUFFERS. AND YOU KNOW, SINCE WE LIVE IN A HOUSE, THE TOWNSHIP THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, THESE TREES AND PARTICULARLY KEEPING THE 24 INCH TREE, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT WILL HELP THE NOISE QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. ALSO, I THINK THAT THIS SINCE THIS WAS
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PROPERLY NOTICED AND THE NEIGHBOR HAD HAD OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT THE NOISE, AND THEY DID NOT. I THINK THAT THEN THAT MITIGATES THAT CONCERN FULLY FROM FROM MY MIND, IF THERE IS IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THEY'LL BE REMEDIED THROUGH THE NATURAL MEANS. THE COUNTY, COUNTY, HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I'M SURPRISED THE COUNTY AND NOT US, BUT THAT'S FINE. I LIKE TO DO THINGS OURSELVES, BUT BUT THAT BUT THAT'S IT FOR ME. SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR BEFORE YOU CALL FOR. YEAH. CAN WE REVIEW THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? MY SENSE IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A VOTE TO APPROVE. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THIS IS THE RELIEF THAT THEY REQUIRE. LET'S GO SEE VARIANCES FIRST. MY SUGGESTION IS TO GO WITH AC1 HARDSHIP VARIANCE FOR THE TWO EXISTING DEVIATIONS. FRONT YARD SETBACK BUILDING COVERAGE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT. MY SUGGESTION IS TO GO FOR AC2 VARIANCE FOR THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE. I'LL HAVE AN EXPLANATION IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THE PRIOR APPROVALS EXCLUDED THE CLAY COURTS FROM THE LOT COVERAGE CALCULATION.IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. WE'RE FIXING THAT NOW. IF INCLUDED, THE PRIOR LOT COVERAGE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GRANTED WOULD HAVE BEEN 27.4%, NOT 21.5%. IF YOU LOOK AT BETH'S CHART FOR LOT COVERAGE, THE POSITIVE BENEFIT IS THAT THEY'RE REDUCING THE LOT COVERAGE BY 0.1%. THERE'S A BENEFIT AS TO THE D ONE USE VARIANCE. THE POSITIVE CRITERIA YOU YOU HAVE TO SHOW PARTICULARLY PARTICULAR SUITABILITY. EVEN THOUGH MR. FORD DIDN'T DIRECTLY DO THAT. WE CAN TAKE FROM HIS TESTIMONY. IS THAT A. LIKE THE BOARD MEMBER SAID, THERE'S A NEED FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT, IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE PURPOSE.
TWO A GENERAL WELFARE NEED IS BEING MET. THE TWO G. I AGREE WITH MR. FORD. ALSO, YOU'RE PROVIDING SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR RECREATIONAL USE, BUT THAT HAS TO BE TIED IN BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMERCIAL USE. IT'S NOT INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL. WHY IS THIS SITE PARTICULARLY SUITED, PARTICULARLY SUITED IF IT HAD BEEN THERE SINCE 1971. AND IT'S A TENNIS FACILITY AND RACQUETBALL, IN FACT, IN MY OPINION, PING PONG, IT'S ALL A FORM OF TENNIS. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE IN BUSINESS FOR. AND THE NEGATIVE CRITERION IS THERE'S TWO PRONGS OF THE NEGATIVE, NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD, AND NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT OF THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE MASTER PLAN, THE NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD IS SATISFIED BY ALL THESE CONDITIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DISCUSSED, AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAS AGREED TO. THE LIGHTS ARE GOING OFF AT 10:00. THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE STOPPING TO PLAY AT 10:00. THEY'RE MOVING THE THING TO SAVE THE TREE. EVERYTHING ELSE. I TOOK GOOD NOTES ON IT. THE NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT OF THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE MASTER PLAN. THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE THAT COMPATIBILITY, THIS THING IS COMPATIBLE. LIKE THEY SAID, EVEN THOUGH, OKAY, PICKLEBALL IS NOISIER THAN TENNIS, BUT YOU'RE STILL LACKING A BALL OVER A NET. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE IN BUSINESS FOR. SO EVEN THOUGH THE TOWNSHIP HAS NEVER SEEN FIT TO MAKE THIS A PERMITTED USE SINCE 1971, THE THING'S BEEN THERE. AND THIS BOARD HAS GRANTED APPROVALS IN THE PAST WHEN THINGS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE CONSISTENT. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT ATTORNEY EVEN SAID THIS IS NOT LIKE THIS IS SOME NEW FANGLED THING THAT THEY'RE EXPERIMENTING, EXPERIMENTING WITH. I MEAN, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING ON THIS THIS TRAIN LATE. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT I SUGGEST, IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE YES, YOU USE WILL MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR ME TO DO THE RESOLUTION. YEAH. I'M DONE.
OKAY. DOZENS AND DOZENS OF FEDERAL COURTS. GREAT. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH STATED CONDITIONS. SO MOVED. THANK YOU, MR. WALMART. SECOND.
MR. WOOD, COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES, YES. YES. ROSENTHAL. YES. WALMART. YES.
WHAT? YES. SHOCK. YES. AND YES. 1234. FIVE. SIX. OKAY. THERE SHOULD BE SEVEN, NOT EIGHT. YES.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE REGULAR MEMBERS. OH OKAY. YEAH. YOU DIDN'T NEED YOUR CHECK BACK.
THANK YOU. HAVE A NICE NIGHT. THANK YOU. WITNESSES AT IT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT.
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IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME TESTIFYING? SORRY. IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME PRESENTING AND TESTIFYING? I'M SURE YOU DID. I'M TELLING YOU, YOU DID GREAT. YOU'RE AS FIRST TIME WITNESSES.YOU WERE JUST SO YOU KNOW. YOU WERE REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU. IT'S THAT RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.
EDUCATION IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? IS THAT. IS THAT RICHMOND SPIDERS? IS THAT A RICHMOND SPIDERS YHASSAN. YEAH, YEAH. WHAT'S THAT FIRST TIME WITNESS LAST NIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. WITH
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THE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS THE MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY 27TH, 2026 MEETING. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES MOVED. MARK. THANK YOU. WOULD. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE.YES. YES. YES. WOOD. YES. YES, MAN. ARE YOU SURE YOU NEED ME? YES, YES. AND THEN FOR THE SAME DATE, THE CLOSED SESSION, THE MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES OF THE CLOSED SESSION. SO MOVED, MR. WALMART. I'LL SECOND THAT, MR. WOOD. THANK YOU. YES. YES. WALMART. YES. YES. YES, MAN.
YES YES YES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT MEETING IS NOT GOING TO BE MARCH 26TH. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. GREAT. APRIL 23RD IS OUR NEXT MEETING AT 7 P.M. ALRIGHT. AND THEN POTENTIALLY APRIL 28TH AS WELL. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. TIME IS NOW 830. THE MR. WALMART AND MR. LAZOVSKY MOTION AND SECOND THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT
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