Mar 09, 2026 Planning

GOOD EVENING. IT'S 703. THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING MEETING, PLANNING BOARD,

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IT'S THE PLANNING BOARD'S INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M..

OPENING STATEMENT UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT, NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. ROLL CALL PLEASE. CAMPUS.

HERE. ADAM. LOGIC. HERE. KHAN. HERE. ROBERTS.

HERE. SINGH. HERE. SCHULDINER. HERE. TAYLOR. TODD.

GLOCKLER HERE. SHARMA. KC HERE. DARJI PRESENT.

SULLIVAN. HERE. THANK YOU. COULD YOU JOIN ME FOR THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG? PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA SUBJECT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.

[III. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA ]

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OKAY. NUMBER THREE. APPLICATION CONTINUATION KSPB-01- 26 APPLICANT.

[IV. APPLICATION CONTINUATION TO THE MARCH 23, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING ]

EXPIRATION DATE JUNE 2ND, 2026. AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION REQUIRED AND PREVIOUSLY FOUND TO BE IN ORDER.

THE ABOVE APPLICATION IS CONTINUED TO THE MARCH 23RD, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.

NO FURTHER NOTICE IS REQUIRED. NUMBER FOR THE MASTER PLAN.

PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION. THE PRESENTATION OF MASTER PLAN.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M LORI SAVRINN. I'M THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AND TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR FOR MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE OTHERS THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE ON THE DAIS.

THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

I'VE SHERRY CRUZ, THE ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, MICHAEL SULLIVAN, OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANNER, AND WENDY QUIROGA, OUR TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ATTORNEY.

SO I WANTED TO JUST MENTION, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN AT THE FEBRUARY 9TH MEETING.

WE HAD AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION HERE BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS AND THIS AMENDED PLAN.

I HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AMENDED PLAN.

IT'S BEEN UP ONLINE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CALLING SHERI CRUZ IF YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT TONIGHT. SO IF IF YOU HAVEN'T, THAT'S FINE TOO.

SO TONIGHT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S AN OFFICIAL PROCESS.

WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING PLAN ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN.

SO THE HOUSING PLAN ELEMENT IS THE BEGINNING PORTION OF THIS MASTER PLAN ELEMENT.

IT COVERS DEMOGRAPHICS AND STATISTICAL INFORMATION.

AND THEN THE FAIR SHARE PLAN IS HOW THE TOWNSHIP WILL BE ADDRESSING OUR FOURTH ROUND OF STATE MANDATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED.

IT IS. BOTH PARTS ARE ADOPTED AS PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN.

IT CAN BE AMENDED AS CIRCUMSTANCES OR OBJECTIVES CHANGE, AND IT MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE MASTER PLAN.

AND ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THE THIRD ROUND PLAN, DATED 2020, WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2008, AND THEN IT WAS AMENDED IN 2010, 2018 AND 2020.

SO SOME OF THE KEY CHANGES IN THE DRAFT AMENDED FOURTH ROUND PLAN.

SINCE ADOPTING THE FOURTH ROUND PLAN IN JUNE 2025.

CIRCUMSTANCES HAD CHANGED TO ALLOW THE TOWNSHIP TO EXTEND ADDITIONAL AFFORDABILITY CONTROLS ON EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT SHORTLY. THE TOWNSHIP IS PLANNING IS AMENDING THE PLAN TO REMOVE THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENTS TO PRIORITIZE THE PRESERVATION OF THESE ADDITIONAL EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

SO IF YOU REMEMBER, IN THE JUNE 2025 PLAN, WE HAD A NUMBER OF EXTENSION OF CONTROLS OF EXISTING UNITS.

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NOW I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL SULLIVAN, AND HE'S GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT THE PLAN.

SURE. THE THIS MAP IS A SORRY, LET ME GET THE MIC.

THIS EXHIBIT IS FROM THE AMENDED HOUSING PLAN.

AND WHAT IT SHOWS ARE THE ROUND FOUR SITES WITH THE RED CIRCLES AROUND THEM.

AND ALL OF THESE SITES ARE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE EXPIRING CONTROLS WITHIN THE FOURTH ROUND.

AND THAT MEANS THAT THESE ARE GOING TO EXPIRE BETWEEN, I THINK, 2032 AND 2033.

AND RATHER THAN CONSTRUCTING NEW UNITS. THE TOWNSHIP IS GOING TO EXTEND THE CONTROLS WHICH THESE CONTROLS ARE THROUGH DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS RESTRICT WHO CAN LIVE IN THESE IN THESE UNITS.

THEY ARE LIMITED TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

AND SO THE TOP ONE NUMBER ONE IS THE PIKE RUN SITE.

WHERE'S MY LIST HERE. I GOT IT. NUMBER FOUR IS MONTGOMERY, GLEN.

NUMBER FIVE IS MCKINLEY COMMONS AND MONTGOMERY HILLS.

AND THE EXTENSION OF CONTROLS. THESE WERE SECOND ROUND OR PRIOR ROUND AFFORDABLE UNITS.

THIS CHART BREAKS DOWN THE ENTIRE HOUSING PLAN FOR MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP FOR THE FOURTH ROUND.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THIS. THERE ARE THIRD ROUND SURPLUS CREDITS.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE A SURPLUS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING CREDITS IN A PRIOR ROUND, YOU CAN BRING THOSE FORWARD.

AND WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE, ONE AT ORCHARD ROAD AND ONE AT VILLAGE WALK, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THE EXTENSION OF EXPIRING CONTROLS. THE FIRST ONE IS MCKINLEY COURT.

THESE ARE SENIOR UNITS. THERE ARE 60 OF THOSE THERE.

AND ALTHOUGH WE DON'T NEED ALL 60 UNITS FOR THE FOURTH ROUND BECAUSE THEY WOULD EXPIRE IF WE DID NOT PRESERVE THOSE CREDITS.

ALL OF THEM WILL BE EXTENDED. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE SURPLUS LATER.

MCKINLEY COMMONS THERE ARE 35 THERE. AND THEY WILL BE EXTENDED.

ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS CHART THAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID FIRST IS THAT YOU CAN SEE IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO THE UNITS AND THEN THE BONUS CREDITS AND THEN THE TOTAL CREDITS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO NOT CREATING NEW CONSTRUCTED UNITS YOU ALSO GET A HALF CREDIT PER UNIT THAT YOU EXTEND.

SO THERE'S A BONUS THAT THE, THE FAIR HOUSING ACT ALLOWS YOU TO TAKE.

SO THE 58 UNITS OF MCKINLEY COURT, WE GET 17 BONUS CREDITS FOR A TOTAL OF 75 CREDITS THERE.

SO WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE CREDITS FOR THE TOWNSHIP.

MCKINLEY COMMONS IS 35. THOSE ARE OWNERSHIP UNITS.

SO THEY GET NO BONUS. THE RENTALS DO AND SO WE GET 35 CREDITS THERE WITH MONTGOMERY GLEN.

THERE ARE 19 UNITS THERE THAT WILL BE EXTENDED FOR A TOTAL OF 19 CREDITS.

AND THEN PIKE RUN, WHICH IS THE FIRST AREA I TALKED ABOUT.

SITE ONE. WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND THE CONTROLS ON 96 OF 210 FAMILY RENTAL UNITS.

THOSE 96 BECAUSE OF THE BONUSES, WE GET 48 BONUSES GENERATED AND 44 TOTAL CREDITS.

SO THE SUMMARY AT THE BOTTOM INDICATES THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE HAVE.

TWO ACTUAL UNITS 2210. WE HAVE 65 BONUS CREDITS.

AND THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT THE STATE WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE.

SO IT'S YOU'RE CAPPED ON YOUR BONUSES BASED ON YOUR OVERALL OBLIGATION.

SO WITH THAT, WE END UP WITH 275 CREDITS. NOW YOU SEE THERE'S A, A SURPLUS THERE.

THAT SURPLUS OF 15 CAN BE CARRIED OVER INTO A FUTURE ROUND.

OR IF ONE OF THE MECHANISMS DOESN'T PRODUCE THE NUMBER THAT WE NEED, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION THERE.

AND IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, A SOUND PLANNING APPROACH, THE ORIGINAL PLAN REALLY RELIED ON NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT, INCLUSIONARY MEANS THAT THIS MARKET RATE AND THEN THERE'S AFFORDABLE AS A SUBSET OF THAT, USUALLY 2015 TO 20, 25%. BUT YOU CREATE A LOT MORE UNITS TO, TO CREATE THE AFFORDABLE THAT YOU NEED.

IN THIS CASE, WE ARE NOT DOING ANY INCLUSIONARY UNITS OR DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE REALLY ONLY EXTENDING THE CREDITS ON THESE EXISTING UNITS.

THERE ARE NO NEW UNITS BEING CONSTRUCTED HERE.

AND FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, THIS REPRESENTS A VERY SOUND APPROACH TO THIS.

THIS OPPORTUNITY WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO US WHEN WE DID THE PLAN IN JUNE, THE ORIGINAL FOURTH ROUND PLAN.

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SO THERE'S A LOT OF SUSTAINABILITY OBJECTIVES AND PRINCIPLES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH REUSING EXISTING BUILDINGS.

THERE'S NO ENERGY OR MATERIALS THAT GOES INTO THAT.

THIS ALSO HELPS PRESERVE THE SEWER CAPACITY AND AVAILABLE UTILITIES THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS LEFT, RATHER THAN BITING INTO THE THE AVAILABLE GALLONS FOR UTILITIES.

THIS USES EXISTING UNITS, SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL SEWER ALLOCATION OR WATER UTILIZATION FOR THIS.

AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THERE IN EXISTING PLACES.

SO THESE ARE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY, AND YOU'RE NOT EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OF DEVELOPMENT INTO AREAS THAT MIGHT BE UNDEVELOPED WOODS OR A FIELD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THIS APPROACH, WHICH THE TOWNSHIP'S BEEN FORTUNATE TO PURSUE, REALLY DOES REPRESENT A VERY SOUND PLANNING APPROACH TO AN ISSUE OR A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN HANDED TO THE TOWNSHIP TO SATISFY THEIR FOURTH ROUND OBLIGATION. OKAY. THAT'S THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE.

SO IF THERE'S ANY BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.

I HAVE A QUESTION I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT. YOU SAID EARLIER THAT IN THE JUNE 2025 PLAN, THE THE LATEST DESIGN WAS NOT AVAILABLE.

WHAT CHANGED? WELL, WHAT, WHAT CHANGED WAS AS MUCH AS THE TOWNSHIP WAS INTERESTED IN EXTENDING AFFORDABILITY CONTROLS ON THE PIKE RUN UNITS.

THERE WAS NO BUY IN FROM THE OWNER OF THOSE UNITS.

SUBSEQUENT TO THE ADOPTION OF THE 2025 PLAN IN JUNE THE OWNER OF PIKE RUN EXPRESSED INTEREST AND BEGAN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWNSHIP.

GOT IT. I HAD A QUICK QUESTION AS WELL. SO WITH THIS REVISED PLAN, WHEN CAN WE SUBMIT THIS TO THE STATE? THIS WILL BE SUBMITTED PRESUMABLY WITHIN 48 HOURS OF ADOPTION.

OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'D BE FAIRLY SOON. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHEN.

IT'S WHEN ARE WE REQUIRED TO. SO WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE TO SUBMIT IT, WHICH IS 48 WITHIN 48 HOURS OF ADOPTION OR NO LATER THAN MARCH 16TH, IF IT WAS ADOPTED. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, ON THE 15TH, 16TH, ETC..

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ONCE IT'S UPLOADED, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS TO SEE IT.

WELL, AND IT'S ALSO BEEN AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE SINCE FEBRUARY 13TH.

YOU MAY RECALL THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 23RD PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT BECAUSE OF NOTICE PROVISIONS FROM THE BLIZZARD, IT GOT CARRIED FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO WEEKS.

SO IT HAS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

WHEN, WHEN THIS BOARD ADOPTED THE PREVIOUS PLAN IT DID SO UNDER DURESS BECAUSE WE HAD TO ADOPT A PLAN TO MEET THE TIME REQUIREMENTS. WHAT ALLOWS US TO AMEND THE PLAN.

THE PREVIOUS PLAN WAS ADOPTED UNDER THE THREAT OF THE BUILDER'S REMEDY LAWSUITS.

WHAT, WHAT ALLOWS US TO AMEND THE PLAN NOW TO AVOID THOSE THOSE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE ARE STILL UNDER SOMEWHAT OF DURESS TO HAVE A PLAN.

AND THAT HASN'T CHANGED. WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THAT THROUGH THE PROGRAM PROCESS, WE WENT THROUGH MEDIATION AND WE MADE IT AWARE TO THE PROGRAM THAT WE WERE INTENDING TO MAKE THIS CHANGE.

AS SOON AS WE REALIZED THIS WAS AN OPTION AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO US TO GO AFTER.

WE RECENTLY RECEIVED A ORDER FROM THE COURT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE PROGRAM JUDGE HAD INDICATED THAT, BUT FOR THE TIME CONSTRAINTS, PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

SO WE STILL HAVE HAD OUR IMMUNITY EXTENDED, BUT WE'RE STILL UNDER THE GUN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN THAT ULTIMATELY WILL GET APPROVED.

BY NOW, WE'RE IN THE SUPERIOR COURT, WE'RE NO LONGER IN THE PROGRAM, AND THIS WILL SATISFY THOSE REQUIREMENTS, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE FOURTH ROUND PLAN. WE BELIEVE IT DOES, BUT IT STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO FOR A STAMP OF APPROVAL TO THE COURT.

THAT WOULD HAPPEN REGARDLESS OF THE PLAN WE SUBMIT.

THAT HAPPENS FOR EVERY TOWN IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. CORRECT? BECAUSE WE HAVE PIVOTED TO CHANGE THE PLAN. WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR THAT COMPLIANCE CERTIFICATION.

WHEREAS A TOWN THAT ADOPTED A PLAN IN JUNE AND KEPT THAT PLAN PERHAPS NOW ALREADY HAS THAT COURT ORDER, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT YET. BUT WE ARE STILL WITH IMMUNITY.

THE COURT HAS RECOGNIZED THAT THE AND THE PROGRAM JUDGE RECOGNIZED IN THE COURT PUT IT INTO THE ORDER THAT,

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THANK YOU. SO I THINK TO PUT IT IN LESS WORDS, IF I CAN, OUR IMMUNITY IS PROTECTED AT THE MOMENT.

CORRECT. WE JUST RECEIVED THAT COURT ORDER AT THE END OF LAST WEEK, WHICH SPECIFICALLY IS EXTENDING OUR IMMUNITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

OKAY. THAT'S. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A GREAT PLAN IN TERMS OF THE THINGS YOU POINTED OUT, RIGHT? NO. NO ADDITIONAL BUILDING. ARE WE OPPOSED TO INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD FOR THIS PLAN OR THIS PLAN JUST PRESENTS THE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY. AND IF INCLUSIONARY WAS INCLUDED AGAIN, IF IT WERE OPEN TO, TO EDIT, WOULD WE BE INTERESTED? SO THE TOWNSHIP CAN ALWAYS ALLOW INCLUSIONARY ZONING TO, TO MOVE FORWARD.

YOU HAVE ALREADY OTHER, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT ARE ZONED FOR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING.

THIS DOESN'T PROHIBIT INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT.

YOU CAN JUST AS WE HAVE TWO UNITS OF SURPLUS FROM THE THIRD ROUND AND PRIOR ROUND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KEEP CREATING THAT SURPLUS INTO THE FIFTH ROUND.

THE OBLIGATION IS ONGOING AND CONTINUOUS IN ANOTHER TEN YEAR CYCLE AS WELL.

SO IT BEHOOVES THE TOWNSHIP TO CONSIDER OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY COME FORWARD, THAT THE PUBLIC IS ALIGNED WITH THAT THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD IS ALIGNED WITH THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE ALSO ENDORSES.

THAT DOES NOT GO AWAY THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF YOUR HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN.

IT'S EITHER ALREADY ZONED OR IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME OTHER KIND OF ZONING ACTION AND PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER TO COME FORWARD.

SURE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD, GOOD.

PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYBODY'S GOT ANY OPINIONS? OKAY. THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT CAN CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

BOARD MEMBERS. I JUST WILL NOTE THAT WE DID RECEIVE A COMMUNICATION FROM THE ATTORNEY FOR MCKINLEY COURT AND MCKINLEY COMMONS.

WE. ADVISED HIM THAT THE INCLUSION OF THESE EXTENSIONS OF AFFORDABILITY CONTROLS ON THESE UNITS IS, OF COURSE, PREMISED ON HAVING MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.

AND THEIR ATTORNEY TOLD ME THAT HIS CLIENT WAS WILLING TO HAVE SUCH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWNSHIP.

AND THOSE CONTROLS DON'T EXPIRE UNTIL 2032. SO THERE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TIME TO HAVE COMMUNICATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNER OF THOSE UNITS. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWNSHIP IS REQUIRED TO DO A LOOK BACK AT THE MID-POINT REVIEW IN 2030. SO AT THAT TIME, IF IT IS CLEAR THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO REACH SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER POTENTIAL SOURCE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALWAYS MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS A TEN YEAR PROCESS, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I FIND THAT I SEE MISSING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THIS THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S A PROCESS AND IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS COME UP AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO AMEND IT LIKE WE'RE AMENDING TODAY.

AND LORI, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THIS ON FEBRUARY 9TH, BUT THE THIRD ROUND PLAN WAS AMENDED.

HOW MANY TIMES? I THINK WE SHOWED THREE, THREE TIMES.

THREE TIMES. OKAY. ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.

THANKS. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU HAVE NEXT THOUGH, THEN IS A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

YES. SECOND, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE. PUBLIC COMMENT.

SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE AYE.

OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT THING YOU HAVE IS. WELL, DON'T WE NEED A WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE DON'T WE.

YES, YES. NOT NOT FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. RIGHT.

NOT FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AFFORDABLE THE MASTER PLAN.

YEAH. SECOND. SECONDED. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU.

BATTLE. YES. LOGIC THIS TIME. YES. KHAN. YES.

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YES. AND GLOCKLER. YES. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE NEXT THING YOU HAVE IS DISTRIBUTED A DRAFT RESOLUTION.

YES. UP TO NOW, MEMORIALIZE THIS ADOPTION OF THE AMENDED FOURTH ROUND HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN.

IT SHOULD BE DISTRIBUTED. WE COULD JUST GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY IF YOU WISH.

WE JUST RECITE THE INITIAL ADOPTION BACK IN JUNE 2025.

NOW THIS REFERENCES THE AMENDMENT TO IT AND NOTES THAT WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT THAT THE BOARD, IN ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION, IS FINDING THAT THIS AMENDED HOUSING ELEMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE MASTER PLAN, AND IT WILL ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THEN IT SIMPLY RECITES THAT NOW YOU ARE ADOPTING THIS HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN, AND THIS WILL BE NOW PROVIDED TO THE GOVERNING BODY AND COPIES WILL BE SENT TO THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD.

SO THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT IT SAYS. OKAY. NOW WE NEED A MOTION.

YES, I CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO MEMORIALIZE THIS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MEMORIALIZE THE RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE 2026 FOURTH ROUND HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN.

SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE. BATTLE. YES. YES. KHAN.

YES. MONEY. YES. ROBERTS. YES. SCHULDINER. YES.

SINGH. YES. AND GLOCKLER. YES. THANK YOU. SHERRY.

I'M JUST GOING TO NOTE SOMETHING AS I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW, THE RESOLUTION BY WHICH THIS FOURTH ROUND WAS ADOPTED, IT WAS JUNE 26TH, 2026. RIGHT. NOT 2025 OR 2025.

OH FIVE JUNE 26TH OF 2025 WAS YEAH, IT WAS CORRECT.

OKAY, GREAT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY? OKAY, OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO NEXT ONE APPLICATION. PB06 25 PRINCETON PROMENADE AMENDED FINAL

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MR. CHAIRMAN FOR THE RECORD, THE NOTICE WAS IN ORDER.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, I WAS HERE ALL THE WAY THROUGH, TOO. HOW ARE YOU, SIR? IS IT YOUR WAY TO THE CORNER? OKAY. THAT'S WHERE YOU GO INTO.

THE OTHER SIDE, IS IT? OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. I LIKE IT. YEAH.

IT'S. GOOD.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. ERIC GOLDSTEIN, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT FOR TONIGHT'S APPLICATION.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, YOU MAY WANT TO GET CLOSER TO THE MIC.

I THINK PEOPLE IN THE BACK ARE LIFTING THEIR HANDS UP BETTER.

THAT'S MUCH BETTER. MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOUR LAND USE TEAM.

WE HAD AN APPLICATION ORIGINALLY IN. WE AMENDED THE APPLICATION.

WE AMENDED IT AGAIN. NOW WE'RE HERE FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE LAST NECESSARY APPLICATION.

FOR THE TOWNSHIP, WHICH IS SIGNAGE ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED MODEL HOME.

AND OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO GET BOTH APPROVED BY WAY OF THE VARIANCES NECESSARY RELATING TO ADDITIONAL

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ONE POTENTIAL BUYER AT A TIME. APPOINTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I KNOW. SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET CONCERNED WITH MODELS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN TO BUY A HOME. THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. THE WAY THIS IS SET UP WITH NVR, YOU MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.

IT'S ONE APPOINTMENT AT A TIME. CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE A PARKING PROBLEM.

WE'LL ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES WHEN WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF THAT APPLICATION.

BUT THAT'S REALLY THE BACKGROUND AS TO HOW WE GOT HERE.

SO UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I CAN GO INTO PREAMBLE OR I CAN WAIT FOR RAKESH TO GO THROUGH THE REPORTS.

IT'S REALLY YOUR CALL. WELL, I USUALLY DON'T GET INVOLVED THIS EARLY.

YEAH. I'VE BEEN GOING ON FOR SO MANY YEARS. I FIGURED, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK IF YOU WANT THE APPLICANT TO JUST SORT OF PRESENT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND GO THROUGH THEM, GO FROM THERE. SO WITH REGARD TO THE MODEL, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BASED ON MONTGOMERY'S ORDINANCE, WE NEED THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE PARKING.

YOU HAVE THE MODEL LOT ITSELF. AND THEN PARKING IS NOT GOING TO BE AS YOU WOULD NORMALLY PARK INTO A GARAGE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT RATHER THERE'S A SEPARATE LOT ALTOGETHER THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MODEL HOME CONSTRUCTED IN A PLACE WHERE THE HOUSE IS BUILT.

THAT LOT HAS BEEN. I GUESS SHERRY'S GOING TO PULL IT UP DESIGNATED ON THE PLAN, AND THEN THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.

PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS WOULD BE TO HAVE MR. MILLS FROM NVR SWORN IN. HE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY.

PLEASE COME ON UP. SURE, SIR. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL.

I DO. AND COULD WE HAVE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? FOR THE RECORD.

KEN MILLS, M I L L S. THANK YOU. MR. MILLS, YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN.

JUST TELL THE BOARD YOUR POSITION WITH NVR AND YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.

MY POSITION IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR NVR FOR THE CENTRAL JERSEY AREA.

AND THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY HAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THE THE PARKING IS SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT OFF OF THE STREET IS SAFER FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

IF IT IS, IF YOU ENCOURAGE US TO KEEP IT ON THE STREET, WE CERTAINLY WILL.

CAN WE'LL DO WHAT YOU ASK US TO DO. AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WE'D LIKE TO DO.

SINCE COVID HAPPENED AND WITH A LOT OF SECURITY ISSUES, WE TRY TO KEEP THE SALES REPS THEMSELVES SAFE AND THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE IN THE HOME.

WE'VE FOUND THAT IT'S DISTURBING WHEN THERE'S A CUSTOMER TRYING TO WRITE A CONTRACT, AND THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE INTERRUPTING AND JUST WALKING IN WILLY NILLY, JUST IT. WE WANT TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE PROCESS.

SO IN DOING SO, WE FIND THAT MAKING A SMALL PARKING LOT THAT JUST HOLDS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SHOW UP, THAT ARE GOING TO BE DOING BUSINESS WITH US, KEEP THEM OFF THE STREET IF THEY HAVE SMALL CHILDREN.

IF MAYBE THEY'RE ELDERLY AND THEY JUST YOU DON'T WANT THEM WALKING OFF OF THE STREET OR TAKING THAT RISK.

THIS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR US, AND IT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE EVEN AN ADA ELEMENT WHERE SOMEONE WHO MAY BE WHEELCHAIR BOUND CAN MAKE IT TO THE MODEL HOME INTO THE GARAGE AREA, AND THEN WE CAN STILL AT LEAST TALK TO THEM AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THEIR THEIR NEEDS.

SO THE PARKING AREA OFF OF THE STREET IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED YOUR HELP WITH.

IF IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT THAT'S A BAD IDEA, WE'LL, WE'LL CONCEDE AND HAVE FOLKS PARK ON THE STREET AND WE CAN PUT STRIPING AND MAKE ANOTHER OPTION THAT. IF WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON AN ANSWER, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO THE BOARD, DESCRIBE THE PROCESS AS TO HOW SOMEONE GETS TO THE MODEL, HOW SOMEONE, IF THEY WANT TO BUY ONE OF THESE HOMES, ULTIMATELY MAKES AN APPOINTMENT.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS YOUNG, WE USED TO LOOK AT HOMES.

MY FAMILY, YOU PULL UP TO THE MODEL, YOU WALK IN, THERE'S A BIG CROWD.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE. CORRECT. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

THE EVOLUTION OF HOME SALES HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT, SPECIFICALLY SINCE COVID.

AND NOW WITH QR CODES AND WITH INTERNET SALES, MOST OF THE LEADS DO COME FROM OUTSIDE, AND THEY ARE FUNNELED IN THROUGH WHAT WE CALL THE FUNNEL INTO APPOINTMENTS. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE BIG DAYS OF TRAFFIC SHOWING UP.

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THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED.

AND IN ADDITION, IT DOES GIVE THAT INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER THE FULL ATTENTION THAT THEY NEED FOR THAT HOUR LONG APPOINTMENT.

SO THESE ARE PRE-MADE APPOINTMENTS, WHETHER IT'S BEEN DONE ONLINE OR IF SOMEONE DOES SHOW UP AND THEY WANT TO COME IN AND THEY CANNOT, THERE'S A QR CODE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIGN OUT FRONT THAT THEY CAN SNAP THAT GET AN APPOINTMENT AND AND MAKE THEIR TIME SO THERE WON'T BE THE BOARD APPROVED THIS PARKING ON THE STREET. SOMEBODY WOULD FIRST MAKE AN APPOINTMENT TO COME IN.

THEY WOULD PARK IN THE LOT DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE MODEL.

THEY WOULD WALK INTO THE MODEL ONE AT A TIME.

WHEN THAT PERSON WAS DONE WITH THEIR APPOINTMENT, THEY'D BE FINISHED, THEY'D LEAVE, AND THEN ANOTHER APPOINTMENT WOULD COME IN. IT WOULDN'T BE A BACKUP OF NUMBERS OF PEOPLE MILLING AROUND OR HANGING ABOUT THE HOUSE.

IT'S REALLY SPECIFIC FOR A TIME SLOT. YOU GO IN, YOU GET YOUR TIME SLOT.

HOPEFULLY YOU BUY A HOUSE. YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S CORRECT.

ALL OF THAT IS CORRECT, YES. THERE WAS A NOTE WE WANT TO ADDRESS OF COURSE, ABOUT AND YOU MENTIONED A LITTLE EARLIER.

FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY EXPLAIN THERE WAS A NOTE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET IN IF YOU'RE IN NEED OF AN ADA ACCESSIBLE, WHETHER IT'S A WHEELCHAIR OR ON THE RAMP, BUT YOU'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AHEAD OF TIME.

SO PLEASE EXPLAIN THE SOLUTION TO THAT ISSUE THAT WAS NOTED.

YEAH. I BELIEVE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, IF YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREENS OR THE ONES BEHIND YOU, THERE IS A SQUARE JUST OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE.

OH, OKAY. THE YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE.

AND THAT IS IN OUR DESIRE IS TO MAKE THAT PAD A 2% SLOPE, WHICH MOST PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN FEEL 2%.

YOU WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK, IT'S TWO SIDED, BUT IT DRAINS WATER OFF.

IT DOESN'T CREATE ICE. IT'S A SAFE PLACE FOR EVERYBODY.

AND THAT THAT PAD RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO BE SET UP SO THAT IF YOU ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE, OPEN AND CLOSE THE DOOR AND ENTER SAFELY. FROM THAT POINT, THERE WILL BE WHAT'S CALLED A CONTROL JOINT OR A EXPANSION JOINT, BUT THE LEVEL WILL BE THE SAME. THAT'S THE PART THAT IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO SEE THERE, BUT THAT WILL BE THE SAME.

NOW, FROM THAT POINT, IT MAY BE ANYWHERE FROM 2% TO 5% OF A GRADE SLOPE.

IN ORDER TO STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF ADA'S RULES, IF IT'S OVER 5%, THEN WE HAVE TO GET INTO RAILINGS AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY ATTRACTIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY APPEARANCE ELEMENT FROM DRIVING DOWN THE STREET.

SO WE'LL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO KEEP THAT AT 5% IF IF WE CAN.

AND THEN THAT WILL CONNECT RIGHT OVER TO THE PARKING LOT, RIGHT WHERE THERE'S A SPACE AVAILABLE FOR A VAN OR FOR A VEHICLE AND ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO ENTER AND LEAVE THE SITE. SO BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE SITE WILL BE 100% ADA COMPLIANT NO MATTER WHAT THE.

YES, THE INTERIOR OF THE HOME, HOWEVER, IS NOT.

THAT'S. YES, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT IF THE CUSTOMER THAT'S COMING IN WANTS IT.

BUT IT WON'T BE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. BUT YES, THAT'S VERY COMMON.

OKAY. SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE IS TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR YOUR SALES STAFF BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY IN DANGER.

IF PEOPLE COULD JUST WALK UP TO THE HOUSE. IT'S SAFER FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE'LL BE LESS CARS BACKED UP.

BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE OUR PARKING IN A SEPARATE LOT, WHICH DOES REQUIRE A VARIANCE FROM THE TOWNSHIP'S CODE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.

YES. THANK YOU. DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER STUFF FROM THE ENGINEERING REPORT NOW OR NOT YET? NOT YET. OKAY, SO I'LL PUT THIS HERE. WITH REGARD TO THE SITE PLAN AS WELL. THIS IS PART OF THE OVERALL SITE THAT WAS APPROVED.

SUBDIVISION, OF COURSE HAS BEEN COMPLETED. SO WE'RE ULTIMATELY LOOKING FOR.

IN ADDITION TO THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL.

WE THINK THAT BASED UPON MR. MILLER'S TESTIMONY, HE CAN TESTIFY FURTHER IF NECESSARY.

WHAT WE HAVE IS A NECESSARY VARIANCE FROM YOUR CODE 16 DASH 6.8 C FIVE.

AND THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT WILL BE SEPARATE ON ITS OWN LOT, WHICH IS THE VARIANCE AGAIN.

CERTAINLY THE SATISFIES MONTGOMERY'S ZONE CODE.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE BELIEVE IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY MUNICIPAL LAND USE ACT.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THAN THE TOWNSHIP'S CODE AND THE M L U L SAFER FOR THE PEOPLE WORKING AT THE SALES CENTER, AND ALSO SAFER FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AND AROUND THE AREA, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A BACKUP OF CARS,

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I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY CLEAR, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WHETHER RAKESH OR ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT HAVE.

WE JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE SIGN PACKAGE.

WHERE WILL THE SALESPEOPLE PARK IN THE LOT AS WELL? MAYBE 1 OR 2 PEOPLE. SOMETIMES THEY'RE ON THE STREET THOUGH.

OKAY, SO THE INTENTION THEN IS THE LOT THAT HAS THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE ONE OF THE LAST LOTS TO HAVE A HOME BUILT ON IT.

YES, YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THAT MODEL HOME WILL TURN IN.

WE WILL AT ONE, AT SOME POINT TAKE THE GARAGE AREA THAT'S A SALES OFFICE.

MAKE THAT INTO A GARAGE FOR A CAR AGAIN. REMOVE ALL OF THE WALKWAYS THAT LEAD TO THAT PARKING PAD.

AND THEN THAT PARKING PAD WILL BECOME A BUILDING LOT.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, SO I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE AREA SOME OF THEM HAVE SOLD OUT PRETTY QUICKLY. SO THE SALES OFFICE WASN'T QUITE AS NEEDED AT THAT POINT.

WHAT WOULD BE THE INTENTION IF THAT HAPPENS IN YOUR SETUP? WELL, IF, IF WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING I'M GOING TO SELL OUT IN A MONTH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THEN WE WOULD ASK TO BE ABLE TO CONVERT THAT MODEL HOME INTO A LIVABLE HOME AND PURSUE A CEO AT THAT TIME AND REMOVE THE THE PARKING AREA ON THE SIDE OF IT. IF THAT'S VERY HIGH EXPECTATIONS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT. SO ULTIMATELY, THE MODEL WILL BECOME A HOME FOR SALE, AND THE LOT WHICH IS NO LONGER NECESSARY WE'LL HAVE A HOME FOR SALE BUILT ON IT.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YOUR ORDINANCES WILL NOT ALLOW US TO CONVEY THAT LOT TO A CUSTOMER UNTIL IT'S BEEN CONVERTED.

IN MANY PLACES WE DO CONVEY AND THEN THEN RENT THAT BACK AS A OFFICE SPACE.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S CLEAR. RIGHT? YOUR LETTER MADE IT CLEAR.

YEAH. THE THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T PERMIT IT. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DO, THEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ACTUALLY EVEN GRANT THAT RELIEF.

I'M NOT. I'M OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH IT. YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

DOES THE COVERAGE AREA OF THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT EXCEED THE FLOOR AREA RATIO OR THE, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS CONSISTENT WITH A PARKING AREA, BUT THE, THE LOT COVERAGE ITSELF FOR DRAINAGE IS UNDER IT'S UNDER THE 15% THAT THE TOWNSHIP IT'S REQUIRED IN WITHIN OUR VARIANCE.

YEAH. ORDINANCE LIMITS. THE PARKING LOT ITSELF IS LESS THAN FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL LOT THAT THAT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS LESS THAN THE PERMITTED BY THE ZONING.

RIGHT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MODEL? OH, MISS ROBERTS ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY LIGHTS BUILT AS A WITH PART OF THE PARKING LOT AND THE THE HOUSE, THE MODEL HOME THERE WILL BE YOU CAN USE THAT ONE EITHER BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT EXCESS LIGHTING.

YEAH. THERE WILL BE STREET LIGHTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.

SO THEY WILL BE THERE. WE WILL HAVE LIGHTS LIKE SCONCES ON THE SIDES OF THE GARAGE THAT WILL BE STILL THERE EVEN WHEN THE HOME IS CONVERTED. BUT FAIR TO SAY IT'S AS A NORMAL HOUSE WOULD HAVE.

YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH. AND OUR BUSINESS HOURS DON'T TYPICALLY GO INTO THE.

THE DARK OF THE NIGHT. WE DO STOP AT 5:00 AND.

AND THE LIGHTS WILL BE SHIELDED FROM THE SIDES AND POINTED DOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YES. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK I, I THINK OUR ASSUMPTION AND MAYBE I'M, IT'S A GOOD POINT TO ASK ARE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY LIGHTING. NO. OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE SUBDIVISION FOR THE STREET LIGHTING. AND THEN THE LIGHTING THAT'S CUSTOMARILY ON ANY RESIDENTIAL HOME USUALLY HAVE LIGHTS AT THE FRONT DOOR, LIGHTS ON THE SIDES AT THE GARAGE DOOR, THINGS LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. THERE WILL BE AT EVERY EXIT OF THE HOUSE, THERE WILL BE A SCONCE ON THE WALL THAT HAS A LIGHT SWITCH CONTROLLED SO THAT AS YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE, YOU'LL HAVE LIGHT TO LEAVE. WHAT? WHAT A NORMAL HOUSE HAS? YES, CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF WHAT NORMAL HOUSES HAVE.

I UNDERSTAND, YES, THAT IS TRUE. ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS.

LIGHTING UP THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. OKAY, GOOD.

THE APPROVAL OF THE LIGHTING PLAN UNDER THE ARTICLE.

RIGHT. GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. IS ARE THERE ANY EXCESSIVE LIKE SOIL HAULING REMOVAL OR BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT IN HERE? THE MATERIALS BY I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ENGINEER IT WAS, BUT SOMEONE TO CREATE A BOND.

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SO WE'RE PREPARED TO PUT A BOND FOR THAT WORK.

WE GAVE SOME ESTIMATES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THEM OR NOT, BUT WE DID GIVE SOME ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE THINK IT IS, AND I ASSUME THE ENGINEERS ARE GOING TO EITHER SAY YES OR NO TO THAT, AND THEN WE'LL FIND A.

BUT THERE WILL BE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EXPENSES TO REMOVING THAT AS WELL.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT. BUT I THINK THE QUESTION IS GETTING AT IS IS THERE AN EXTRAORDINARY DIFFERENCE IN THE GRADE BETWEEN WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR THAT LOT VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PARKING LOT? AND I THINK BASED OFF MY EVALUATION, IT WAS APPROXIMATELY IT WAS NEARLY THE SAME.

AND IT'S NOT IDENTICAL, BUT IT'S THERE'S NO DRASTIC CHANGE LOWER.

WE WANT ALL OF THE LOTS TO START OFF LOWER. SO THAT WAY WHEN WE EXCAVATE, THE MATERIAL THAT COMES OUT WILL SPREAD AROUND AND CREATE DRAINAGE.

SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T HOLD ANY WATER. OKAY. YEAH.

JUST THE GENESIS OF MY QUESTION IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT LIKE IN THE TEMPORARY STATE THAT THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALONG 518 AREN'T UNDULY YEAH, SATURATED AND POTENTIALLY FLOODED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PLAN SHOWS IT CLEARLY, BUT THE BACKYARD IS HIGHER AND THE WATER WILL COME FROM THE BACKYARDS TOWARDS THE FRONT.

I DO SEE THE YES, THE GRADIENT THERE. YEAH, YEAH.

AND THERE'S A HIGH POINT IN THE REAR OF THE MODEL HOME LOT WHERE IT'S SOMEWHAT CREATES A HORSESHOE AROUND FROM THE SWELL BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THEN AROUND THE BACKYARD TOWARDS THE TULIP RUN. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENT STANDARD, YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN ALL YOUR DRAINAGE ON THE LOTS THEMSELVES, CORRECT? RIGHT.

INCONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL GRADING PLAN. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE ARE YOU ALL SUGGESTING FOR THIS? TELL ME MORE LIKE, HOW LONG TO BUILD THE MODEL HOME? YEAH, JUST FOR YOU TO GET HOME UNDER 90 DAYS.

THREE MONTHS. OKAY. IS THAT SEEM LIKE A TIMELINE? NO, NO, MY QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, MONTGOMERY PROMENADE IS GETTING BUILT.

MY CONCERN IS THAT MORE THAN THE HOUSE. SURE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PART IS DONE.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS. AND IF YOUR YOUR PLAN IS A LITTLE FASTER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE NEED DONE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY.

IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO START THE MODEL HOME NOW, IT WOULD END RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIME THEY'RE FINISHING UP ALL OF NEVIUS AND BOLER AND ALL OF THE OTHER CONTROLS ON ALL OF THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, AND I THINK THE TIMING WILL MATCH UP VERY WELL.

I HOPE SO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP TO STAFF THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT MONTGOMERY PROMENADE.

OBVIOUSLY THE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT TO YOU, OBVIOUSLY, BUT MONTGOMERY PROMENADE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE I'S ARE DOTTED AND T'S ARE CROSSED BEFORE WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, DIVERGENT HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN. NO, I RESPECT THAT.

YES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. DARCY, BEFORE YOU AND MR. SULLIVAN BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS DO YOU BOTH SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL? YES. THANK YOU. AND I SWEAR, EVERYTHING I'VE SAID UP TO THIS POINT WAS TRUTHFUL AS WELL. THANKS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. OUR MEMO IS DATED MARCH 6TH, 2026.

THE APPLICANT IN THEIR PRESENTATION AND IN IN RESPONDING TO BOARD QUESTIONS HAS REALLY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN OUR MEMO.

I WILL JUST GO THROUGH A FEW ITEMS RATHER THAN THAN READ POINT BY POINT.

THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY WE'RE HERE FOR, FOR A MODEL HOME.

OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE MODEL HOME LOCATION BE DEPICTED ON, ON THE APPROVED SUBDIVISION PLANS.

OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS NOT THE CASE THAT THE, THE, THIS DEVELOPMENT THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT.

THE MAJORITY OF IT WAS THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.

SO THERE WAS NO MODEL HOME THAT WAS ACTUALLY DENOTED ON THE PLAN.

SO THE APPLICANT'S HERE THIS EVENING TO BASICALLY SEEK SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THAT MODEL HOME.

THE FURTHER, OUR ORDINANCE DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THAT PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED ON STREET AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. SO THEY, THEY REQUIRE THAT RELIEF FROM OUR ORDINANCE TO PERMIT THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT.

THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S REASONING AND TESTIMONY FOR THAT RELIEF IS THAT THEY FEEL THAT IT'S A BETTER ALTERNATIVE, SAFER ALTERNATIVE, GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE MODEL HOME AND AND THE CIRCULATION ON, ON THIS ON THE STREET.

ALSO, CONSIDERING IT'S AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE AND THIS IS THE ONLY AND MAIN ROAD THAT'S PART OF THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO, SO I THINK IT'S A, OR THE APPLICANT'S IS STATING, AND I AGREE THAT IT'S A SAFER ALTERNATIVE FOR VISITORS TO THE MODEL

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THE OUR REVIEW MEMO, LIKE I SAID, DID NOTE QUITE A FEW THINGS AND WE ASKED FOR SOME TESTIMONY.

ONE WAS THIS DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THE APPROVAL, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION WAS BROKEN INTO TWO PHASES, AND OUR ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATES ONE MODEL HOME PER PHASE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS HERE, COULD YOU JUST PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THIS IS THE ONLY MODEL HOME YOU'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR? THERE IS NOT A SECOND PHASE MODEL HOME. THAT IS CORRECT.

THIS WILL BE THE ONE AND ONLY. WE'LL SELL ALL OF THE LOTS FROM THIS ONE MODEL.

NO INTENTION OF A SECOND MODEL. OKAY. AND IN THAT REGARD, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT IN A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THE INTENT IS FOR THIS TO SERVE AS SOME SORT OF LIKE A SALES CENTER, I IMAGINE, AND MODEL HOME FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IS THERE ANY KIND OF AN IDEA OR THOUGHT TO MAYBE HAVING THIS AS A SALES CENTER OR A MODEL HOME FOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA? NOT AT ALL. AND THAT'S AND YOU CAN AFFIRMATIVELY SAY THAT ABSOLUTELY ANY COMMUNITY THAT WE SELL FROM, WE WANT TO HAVE A MODEL IN THAT. UNDERSTOOD. CORRECT.

SURE. BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, THEY SENT ME TO SEND YOU SOMEWHERE ELSE.

NOT NOT RYAN, NOT NOT RYAN HOLMES. NEXT TIME.

I'M DONE, BUT WE'RE NOT BUYING ANY MORE HOUSES NO MORE. ALRIGHT, BUT GIVE ME ONE SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN, I APOLOGIZE. I LOST MY SPACE HERE. SO AGAIN, THERE IS A SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT ANY PORTION OF THE MODEL HOME THAT'S, THAT'S NOT USED FOR, FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AND ALL THAT, THE RESTROOM FACILITY SHOULD BASICALLY BE CORDONED OFF AND A SIGN PUT SAYING, DON'T USE. WE HAVE A PROCEDURE WHERE WE TAKE OFF ALL OF THE INTERIOR DOORS ANYWAY, AND THEN WE DO PUT SIGNS UP THAT THESE BATHROOMS ARE NOT FOR PUBLIC USE.

OKAY. ESSENTIALLY, THE WATER'S TURNED OFF AND THE BATHROOMS ARE NOT BEING USED.

BUT YES, THAT IS THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT DOES YOUR SALES PERSON USE FOR A BATHROOM? WELL, THE PORTA JOHN SOMETIMES OR. OKAY. OH, AND WE DID ASK ABOUT THE PORTA JOHN AS WELL, BECAUSE IN THE MEMO, YES, YOU HAVE A REGULAR MAINTENANCE PLAN AND CONTRACT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF FOR THE PORTA JOHN. SO THERE'S I THINK WHAT YOU WERE ASKING IS THAT ONE YOU SEE ON THIS PAGE IS NOT USED BY ANYONE ELSE. THAT'S JUST FOR THE SALES.

WELL, CUSTOMERS TOO SOMETIMES, BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

YEAH, YEAH. VISITORS TO THE SALES CENTER AND EMPLOYEES AT THE SALES CENTER, IT GETS TO BE VERY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU TRY TO SAY, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE IT FOR ADA, YOU CAN'T HAVE FOR ANYBODY, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST ONE EASY SOLUTION. ALL OF OUR CONTRACTORS WILL HAVE SEPARATE FACILITIES, WASHING STATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE SEPARATE.

UNDERSTOOD. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS IN OUR MEMO WHERE WE ASKED FOR NOTATIONS ON THE, ON THE, ON THE PLAN AND ALL THAT.

I'M ASSUMING YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH ANY OF THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS, RIGHT.

WELL, MAY I PLEASE. THERE'S ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE PIPE THAT GOES UNDER THE WALKWAY.

YES. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT BECAUSE THE GRADE THE WATER MIGHT DRAIN OVER.

I ASKED MY ENGINEER TO PUT THAT IN BECAUSE I FELT THERE COULD BE THIS OPPORTUNITY WHERE IF WATER RUNS OVER THAT WALKWAY AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE NEXT WINTER, BUT IF IT DID, IT WOULD CREATE AN ICE SITUATION.

SO IT WAS MORE OF A FORWARD THINKING, YOU KNOW, FIX TOMORROW'S PROBLEMS TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M EVEN GOING TO NEED THAT. YEAH. I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH YOU ABOUT THE PIPE. THE ONLY THING I WAS SAYING WAS THAT THE THE DETAIL. OH, YOU WERE RIGHT.

THE ELEVATION DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PIPE. I THINK IT'S A SMART IDEA.

IT'S A LIABILITY STANDPOINT. IT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT. I JUST THOUGHT THE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS AND WEREN'T WEREN'T MATCHING UP.

THAT'S ALL THAT WAS. YEAH I AGREE. I THINK THAT THAT WAS OFF A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S FINE. YEAH. BUT YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD YOU SHOULD.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU KEEPING THE PIPE UP.

OH. WITH REGARD TO ADA ACCESSIBILITY, ONE THING THAT I WASN'T FOLLOWING IN YOUR IN YOUR INITIAL COMMENT, WHAT WE WERE SAYING IN OUR COMMENT IS YOU HAVE THE ADA SPACE IN THE PARKING LOT.

YOU HAVE A WALKWAY WHICH CAN BE MADE ADA COMPLIANT.

BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE DOOR, THERE'S A TWO INCH LIP.

BASED OFF OF THE ELEVATIONS THAT. I HAVE A FEELING THAT THERE MAY BE AN ERROR IN THERE, BECAUSE THAT TWO INCHES SHOULD BE BASED UPON THE LENGTH A QUARTER OF AN INCH PER FOOT, CREATING THE 2%. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE TWO. YEAH.

YES. AND THEN IF IT'S ANYTHING EVEN MORE THAN A QUARTER OF AN INCH, THAT'S NO GOOD.

SO THAT'S CORRECT. YES. SO SO BASED OFF THE ELEVATIONS IT WASN'T.

BUT I'M GUESSING YOU'RE GOING TO CORRECT THOSE ON THE REVISED PLAN. YES. OKAY. PERFECT. YES. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN. AND THEN SIGNAGE YOU'RE GOING TO GO OVER AS A SEPARATE.

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SIGNAGE. MAYBE IT'LL BE A THIRD PORTION. MODEL SIGNAGE FOR THE MODEL AND THEN THE RETAIL SIGN, RIGHT? AND YEAH, WE'RE JUST CONCERNED WITH MODEL SIGNAGE FOR THE MODEL. AS FAR AS WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN NDA SIGNED BY THE ADA SPACE. IS THERE ANY OTHER SIGNAGE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE? IS THIS LIKE, OKAY, IT'S PROBABLY LOADED UP IN IT IS IT'S UNHEARD.

DO YOU WANT ME TO? OKAY. I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE OR IS GETTING A COPY OF THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE AS WELL FOR THE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO COVER THAT WITH WITH THE SIGNAGE.

YOU WOULD DO THIS NOW OR NOT? NO, NO, I'LL JUST WRAP UP WHAT I'VE GOT AND THEN WE CAN.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO COVER THE SIGNAGE PORTION. THAT'S THAT'S IN OUR MEMO AS PART OF THE NEXT PRESENTATION. SO. OKAY.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'M HERE ALL NIGHT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE. OKAY.

MR. GOLDSTEIN, QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU WANT ANYTHING MARKED AS AN EXHIBIT SO FAR? NO. THANK YOU. NO. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I ASKED MINE ALREADY.

YEAH, JUST OF THE KIND OF THE STANDARD SIGNS.

SO BY WAY OF THE SIGNAGE FOR THE MODEL, THERE ARE A FEW, I CALL THEM BLANKS OF WHAT THE SIGNS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

SO YOU'RE ALL LOOKING AT THEM NOW. AND I THINK YOU SHOULD EACH HAVE A PAPER COPY IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL.

VERY MODEST. THE SIGNS THEMSELVES ARE BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE SIGNS, HAS THE COMMUNITY NAME BY APPOINTMENT ONLY. AND THERE'S THE QR CODE THAT MR. MILLS WAS REFERENCING. SO I WILL TAKE A SECOND WHILE MISS SAVRAN PASSES THOSE OUT JUST SO IT'S EASIER TO LOOK AT.

SO THE FIRST PAGE OF THAT PACKAGE IS JUST THE LOCATION OF THE MODEL AND THE LOT.

BUT THERE WILL BE A SIGN, WHICH IS THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT SPECIFIC HOME SITE.

AND THERE WILL BE ON EACH LOT VERY MODEST 18IN WIDE.

SOMETHING YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEE FROM THE DESCRIPTION.

ONCE THE HOUSE IS UNDER CONTRACT, THE AVAILABILITY SIGN WILL BE GONE, WHICH MEANS HOPEFULLY IF THEY SELL OUT QUICKLY, ALL THESE SIGNS ARE GONE RELATIVELY QUICKLY AS WELL.

BUT IN LOOKING AT THE THIRD PAGE OF THAT PACKAGE, WHICH IS.

THE ONE THAT HAS THE COMMUNITY NAME, THE HOURS OF THE SALES CENTER AND THEN THE QR CODE, THAT'S YOUR TYPICAL SIGN WITH THE DIGITAL WELCOME. DEFINITELY MONTGOMERY MEADOWS.

I THOUGHT IT MAY HAVE CHANGED. OKAY, WELL, THERE'LL BE A NAME CONFLICT WITH AN EXISTING COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT'S MANOR NOW. MONTGOMERY MANOR? YEAH.

YES. MONTGOMERY. RUN, MONTGOMERY. THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME.

MONTGOMERY. IT'S GOING TO HAVE MEADOWS MANOR.

WE LIKE THE NAME MONTGOMERY. SO EVERYBODY ELSE IN.

YES. YEAH. THANK YOU MA'AM. SO THAT'S TYPICAL OF WHAT EACH SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE LAST ONE IS IT'LL JUST HAVE THE MODEL ENTRANCE DIRECTIONAL SIGN, WHICH AGAIN, PRETTY EASY FOR THE PUBLIC TO NAVIGATE AND GET THEMSELVES INTO THE MODEL.

SO. THE DESCRIPTIVE LOOK OF THE SIGNS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE SITE.

IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COLORS, I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY SUBTLE.

IT'S THE STANDARD RYAN HOMES NVR COLOR SCHEME, WHICH AGAIN WORKS WELL.

DOESN'T HAVE ANY NEON. THEY'RE NOT LIT, SO IT WON'T CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR PASSERS BY TONIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO OVERSIMPLIFY IT, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE TO IT ON THE SIGN PACKAGE FOR THE MODEL.

MR. SINCE THESE ARE NEW TO THE BOARD. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THESE EXHIBITS? YES. THANK YOU, MISS CASEY. SO I WOULD HAVE THE SIGN ONE, TWO,

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AND THAT'S THE MARKUP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALONG WITH THE REFERENCE TO THE ACTUAL SIGNS THEMSELVES THAT FOLLOW.

SO THE FIRST PAGE IS THE JUST TO MAKE SURE ON THE SAME PAGE, LITERALLY THE SITE PLAN WITH THE SIGN, RIGHT. AND THE REMAINING FIVE ARE JUST THE ACTUAL PICTURES OF THE SIGNS.

OKAY. SO WE CALL THAT APPLICANT ONE OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT.

IN THIS CASE OKAY.

AND NONE OF THESE WILL BE ILLUMINATED, RIGHT? CORRECT. WHICH WHICH SIGNS REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO OUR AN ORDINANCE.

I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBER EIGHT METAL RIDGE RIGID FLAG.

SO, RAKESH, IS THIS THE SIGNS THEMSELVES OR IS THIS THE FOR THE SITE PLAN? I APOLOGIZE. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? MY QUESTION IS DO ANY OF THESE EXCEED THE ORDINANCE HEIGHT FOR SIGNAGE? I'M THE 16 FOOT METAL RIGID FLAGS. THE FOUR OF THEM ALONG 518 SEEM A LITTLE EXCESSIVE TO ME.

I'LL DEFER TO MIKE ON ALL THAT. NO. IT WAS. OH, I APOLOGIZE. SO THIS IS THE FIRST. WE'RE SEEING THE SIGNS. OKAY, SO I APOLOGIZE.

I THOUGHT MIKE HAD SEEN THE SIGN. NO, NO, NO.

I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHY I ASKED. ARE YOU DOING HERE, MIKE? RAKESH. I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHY I ASKED YOU THAT. I REALLY I WAS ASKING THE APPLICANT IF YOU'RE AWARE OF OUR HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR ORDINANCE.

I BELIEVE THE SIGNED PACKAGE FOR THE MODEL IS JUST FOR THE SITE PLAN.

AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THE NUMBER OR THE HEIGHT.

SO AGAIN. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO SIGNS. THIS IS NOT A PERMITTED SIGN TYPE.

THIS IS NOT PARDON ME, THIS IS NOT A PERMITTED SIGN TYPE.

YEAH. IT'S NOT PERMITTED. RIGHT. WHEN THE WHEN THE WHEN THE WHEN THE PLAN DISTRICT ZONING WAS DONE, IT ONLY CONTEMPLATED SIGNS FOR THE NON RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS OF THIS.

THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL SIGNS OUTSIDE OF AN ADDRESS NUMBER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

MEANING THAT THESE ARE ALL TEMPORARY. SO THEY ALL REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO OUR ORDINANCE.

IS THAT RIGHT OR I WOULD THINK SO. YEAH. YEAH.

SO THAT CAN THIS VARIANCE BE LIMITED FOR A DURATION.

SO CALL IT. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IT'S RELIEF.

SO YOU CAN PUT ANY REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON ANY RELIEF THAT YOU GRANT, RIGHT.

THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TEMPORARY IS BY DEFINITION.

MAYBE THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE REASONING FOR THE RELIEF, LET'S SAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT SOME SORT OF REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON THAT.

RIGHT. OF COURSE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE HOMES ARE BUILT, THE SIGNS WON'T REMAIN.

BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING REMAINING BEHIND.

YOU WANT THEM GONE BY A CERTAIN TIME. YES, YES.

AND IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, ONE OF THESE SIGNS IS GOING IN FRONT OF AN EXISTING HOME, RIGHT? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT. HAVE WE TALKED TO THE HOMEOWNER? WE CAN KEEP THEM ALL ALONG THE PROPERTY.

I, I, I THINK WHEN WE PUT THE ARROWS ON, WE MAY HAVE GIVEN A BAD LOCATION HERE.

YEAH, I, I AGREE. I, I DID SEE THAT MYSELF. YEAH.

OKAY. WE WILL DEFINITELY KEEP THEM ON THE LOT THAT IS AT THE END OF TULIP.

SO AS A CONDITION IF THE BOARD SAW FIT TO GRANT THIS, THE TIME IS VERY LIMITED, AND WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE YOU 120 DAYS OR WHATEVER YOU FEEL NECESSARY. THEN THEY MUST COME DOWN.

OKAY. 120 FROM FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE. YEAH.

FROM THAT. THAT WOULD BE FINE FOR ME. I'VE OR LESS.

YEAH. I MEAN, OUR PROFESSIONALS WANT TO LOOK THIS OVER BEFORE WE.

BEFORE THE BOARD. YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF THE PROFESSIONALS ARE LOOKING RIGHT NOW. OKAY.

I MEAN, MAYBE YOU WANT TO DO MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS THAN FLIPPING THROUGH IT. I AGREE. I MEAN, THEY ARE ALL TEMPORARY. I MEAN, FOR THE APPLICANTS SAKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED TO COME BACK, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS.

THEY DO NEED A VARIANCE. BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A REASONABLE WITH TIME LIMITATIONS, EVEN FOR THE HEIGHTS AND FOR THE HEIGHT.

RIGHT. PAUL, ARE YOU SAYING THAT 100 YOU'RE PROPOSING 120 DAYS FROM WHEN THEY GO UP.

ON THAT NOTE, WHEN WOULD THEY GO UP? I PUT ANYTHING UP UNTIL THE.

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OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO LAUNCH. WE CALL OUR LAUNCH OF THE MODEL HOME.

UNTIL THAT TIME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY APPOINTMENTS. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. IT'S CALLED PHILIP FUNNEL, RIGHT? AND WE TRY TO GET PEOPLE IN LINE AND THEN GET THEM ON A LIST, AND THEN THEY TAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND IT WORKS THROUGH THIS.

THIS USE OF SIGNAGE IS MORE OF JUST TRYING TO GET ATTENTION FOR DRIVE BYS.

SO I FEEL WE HAVE A LOT. BUT BUT AGAIN, THE SIGNAGE WOULD BE ONCE YOU HAVE.

RIGHT. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT A SINGLE SIGN UP UNTIL THAT MODEL IS READY TO BE USED.

OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN DURING CONSTRUCTION.

AND THE REASON WE'RE ASKING IS WE SEE A LOT OF SIGNS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE HOMES GO UP SAYING COMING SOON OR SOMETHING.

OKAY. SO YOU WON'T HAVE THAT. I MEAN, ACTUALLY, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ANY OF THESE SIGNS.

16FT HIGH SIGNS ON, ON A, ON A NEW ROAD THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IS, IS A LITTLE BIT DISCONCERTING WITH ME.

I MEAN, THE WHOLE TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR OUR TOWN IS GOING TO CHANGE WITH, WITH, WITH YOUR, YOUR SITE.

I WOULD SAY FORGO THE NUMBER EIGHT SIGNS IN THE ENTIRETY.

I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN, DO THESE THINGS REALLY WORK? I, I FIND THAT THEY TAKE THE PLACE OF THE OLD RIBBON FLAGS FLAP IN THE WIND AND THEY LOOK, THEY GET RATTY AND THEN THEY GET RIPPED. THESE ARE RIGID.

THEY DO LOOK NICE, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF YOU FEEL THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE.

I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE THAT. YEAH, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE ARE THERE ARE A COUPLE FEATURES TO THIS LOCATION THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING ALREADY, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY ADJUDICATED. AND THEY'RE RIGHT.

THIS. IN ADDITION, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

WE HAVEN'T WE DON'T HAVE VISUALIZATION OF THESE SIGNS.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FLY DOWN. 518 YOU KNOW, AND, AND WOULD YOU ALLOW THE NUMBER ONE SIGN? THE, THE MAIN SIGN IS THE ENTRANCE. YEAH. I THINK CONDITIONED ON, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE, THE REVIEW AND REVIEW TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT WITHIN THE SITE TRIANGLE SITE TRIANGLE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. SO THE NUMBER ONE WOULD BE FINE, BUT THE YEAH, THE EIGHT THE 16 FOOT SIGNS.

I THINK IT'S JUST A LITTLE. IF THAT SIGN WERE TO BE MAYBE EIGHT FEET, WOULD YOU, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT FEEL ANY BETTER. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE EIGHT FOOT SIGNS.

NO, NO. THE SAME THE SAME NUMBER OF SIGNS. I THINK IT WAS 3 OR 4 ALONG THE COUNTY ROAD INSTEAD OF THOSE FOUR BEING 16FT.

COULD I HAVE FOUR THAT ARE EIGHT FEET? THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WITH MY QUESTION. OH I'M SORRY. YES, CORRECT, I MISUNDERSTOOD SORRY. SO YOU JUST SAY IF SIGN NUMBER EIGHT WAS EIGHT FEET TALL INSTEAD OF 16 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. THE 16 WOULD BE VERY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE TOWN.

YES. OKAY. YES. AGREED IS PROBABLY MORE ACCEPTABLE.

OKAY, SO THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN, WOULD EVERYBODY FEEL THE SAME WAY WITH THAT? AT LEAST THE INITIAL THOUGHTS. CUTTING IT IN HALF IS SUBSTANTIAL.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT SO SURE. I, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD EFFECTIVELY APPROVE THIS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT LOOKING AT HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC.

EIGHT FEET IS EIGHT FEET. IT'S TALLER THAN A CAR WINDOW.

RIGHT? SO IF YOU PULL UP HERE LOOKING DOWN 518, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT A SIGN AND NOT SEE A CAR COMING.

I DON'T KNOW YET. SO I WOULD PREFER I WOULD PREFER NOT I FEEL THAT IT'S BEEN USED MORE TO DIRECT THE FUTURE RESIDENTS AS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY COME FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR AN APPOINTMENT.

AND IT RARELY GETS THE ATTENTION OF JUST DRIVE BYS BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME.

WELL, IT'S THE SAME SIGN. AND HEY, IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, I'LL RESPECT THAT.

DIDN'T YOU JUST EXPLAIN HOW, LIKE, EVERYBODY GOES ON ZILLOW AND THEY GO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS HERE. I AGREE, I AGREE.

I'M ALL RIGHT. WE CAN ELIMINATE THE NUMBER EIGHT.

NUMBER EIGHT. YEAH. PERFECT. IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. I DO APPRECIATE THAT I.

YEAH. AND YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY SIGNS TO GO ALONG? 206 ON THE FRONT END OF THE DEVELOPMENT. NO, WE KNOW WE'RE USING THE OTHER ENTRANCE AS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD JUST KIND OF CONFUSE AND CREATE MORE TRAFFIC OR JUST IT MIGHT BE AWKWARD.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO DO ENTER THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE CONVENIENCE OF IT AND THE DIRECTION THEY'RE COMING, BUT I THINK IT'S BEST SERVED, AS MENTIONED, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS SIGNAGE ON THE MAIN ROADS.

YEAH. AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE IN, WE'LL HAVE OUR DIRECTIONALS, WHICH ARE NOT THAT LARGE, BUT THEY'LL KIND OF GIVE THEM WHERE TO GO.

OKAY. CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OH, SORRY PLEASE.

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IT'S DIGITAL IN THAT I'M SORRY. THIS IS SIGN NUMBER TWO.

YEAH. IS IT SIGN? THAT SIGN WILL HAVE A QR CODE SPECIFIC TO THAT LOCATION.

SO IF THEY DO SHOW UP, THEY DON'T HAVE AN APPOINTMENT.

THEY CAN QR IT IMMEDIATELY LOADS UP A WEBSITE AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT A QR CODE IS.

OKAY, SO IT'S A NORMAL SIGN. IT'S OKAY. IT'S JUST.

SO WHEN YOU SAY DIGITAL, IT JUST HAS A QR CODE ON IT.

I'M SORRY. YEAH, IT'S GOT A QR CODE, BUT THERE'S NO ILLUMINATION COMING.

YEAH, THAT'S THE QUESTION. IT'S A STICKER ON I'M SORRY.

YEAH, LIKE A SPARKLY. PROBABLY. CHANGE THE TEXT ON YOUR EXHIBIT.

IT WILL BE A NON-DIGITAL WALK UP. GET YOUR PHONE ON AND IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THE SITE.

I THINK THAT'S OKAY. MAY I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT TULIP RUN? I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA, RUN USUALLY REFERS AS A PLACE NAME TO A STREAM.

IS THERE A STREAM HERE? I MEAN, I MEAN, NOT NEAREST, BUT.

OKAY. OKAY. MR. MCLAREN WILL PROBABLY TESTIFY IN A LITTLE BIT ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER HAD INDICATED THAT THAT WAS PICKED WHEN WE ORIGINALLY WENT BACK FOR SITE PLAN.

BY THE TOWNSHIP. SO THAT WASN'T A SJC DECISION.

A WHAT DECISION? SJC IS THE MONTGOMERY PROMENADE? I SEE. SO THE TOWN SAID TO NAME IT TULIP RUN.

CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO STREAM PROFESSIONALS.

I DON'T THINK RUN IS WORKING. I MEAN, DO YOU THINK IT REFERS TO TULIP TREES OR TULIP FLOWERS? THAT'S A WHATEVER YOU TIPTOE THROUGH IS PROBABLY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.

EVERYBODY LOVES TULIPS, BUT THE DEER EAT THEM, SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY.

I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. I LIKE THEM TOO.

BUT THEY'RE NOT RED OR PINK OR PURPLE. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S EVERYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE SIGNED PACKAGE AS SUBMITTED, WITH THE NUMBER EIGHT BEING ELIMINATED IN ENTIRETY.

THE DIGITAL REFERS ONLY TO THE QR AND THE REST OF IT IS JUST SUBMITTED AS IS.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD THIS EVENING. YES. YES. I DON'T MAKE THE DECISIONS, BUT YES, AS FAR AS THE AMENDMENT GOES.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. YES. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. SO HAS THERE BEEN. ANY CONSENSUS ON THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGNS OR NOT YET AS SPECIFIED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS ELIMINATED? OKAY. YEAH. AND ALSO SITE LIKE ANGLE CLEARANCE AND THE SUBJECT TO REVIEW CAN BE PLACED IN A SITE TRIANGLE.

WE'LL VERIFY IT, BUT BASED OFF OF JUST LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT, I THINK ITS PLACEMENT IN A GOOD LOCATION, BUT WE'LL VERIFY THAT. YEAH. AND I DO REMEMBER AT AT ONE HEARING ON ONE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TEN, 15 YEARS AGO ON THIS DEVELOPING THIS AREA, THAT LAST HOUSE WAS PURCHASED BY THE DEVELOPER. THE OWNER LOOKED LOVED TO LOOK OUT OVER THE SUNSET, YOU KNOW, OVER THE AIRPORT AND DECIDED TO MOVE WHEN THE PLACE WAS, WHEN HE HEARD THE PLACE WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND THAT WAS USED FOR AN OFFICE. RIGHT? SO DON'T REMEMBER YOU.

YOU MAY STILL OWN THAT. NO. OKAY. NEVER MIND.

OKAY. TO THE BOARD MEMBERS OR PROFESSIONALS, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MODEL? THE PARKING LOT AND THE SIGNAGE FOR THE MODEL FOR NPR FROM RYAN.

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OH, NO MORE THAN 120 DAYS. OKAY. YEAH. NO. FROM WHAT, 120 THE DATE THEY GET PLANTED FROM? OKAY, SO FROM THE DATE THEY GET PUT IN THE GROUND.

CORRECT. PRESUMABLY THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO SELL OUT THE HOMES.

AND ONCE THEY'RE SOLD OUT, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE THERE ANY LONGER BECAUSE THE AND IT WILL BE PLANTED ONCE YOU HAVE THE MODEL HOME IS COMPLETE IS WHAT YOU SAID SO THAT THAT TIME PERIOD STARTS ONCE THEY HAVE A MODEL HOME.

NOT BEFORE. AND HOW WOULD STAFF KNOW WHEN THOSE SIGNS GO UP? THEY HAVE TO GET PERMITS. OKAY. SO WE'LL WE'LL.

SO WHEN THE PERMIT GETS ISSUED, IT'LL BE, I WOULD SAY 120 DAYS FROM THE PERMIT ISSUE.

OKAY. THAT'S PERFECT. YEAH. THAT'S HELPFUL. ECOMMENTS.

YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. WAIT A MINUTE.

NO, BUT THEY'RE NOT DONE YET. OH, THEY STILL HAVE MORE.

OH, YOU'RE NOT DONE, ARE YOU, MR. GOLDSTEIN? WE ARE NOT FINISHED.

MISS CASEY, AS WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO CORRECT SIGN PACKAGE FOR THE COMMERCIAL.

OKAY? OKAY. IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. PLEASE. MAYOR.

YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO.

YES. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM NOW THE RETAIL COMMERCIAL SIGN PACKAGE, WHICH.

WE SUBMITTED WITH THE PACKAGE ORIGINALLY WITH THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.

AND I DO WANT TO NOTE, WE HAVE A CCH REVIEW MEMO, 22 PAGES THAT WE RECEIVED ON FRIDAY, AND WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS OVER THE WEEKEND AND ADDRESS THAT HER STAFF WORKING PROBABLY AGAINST THEIR WILL, BUT THEY ADDRESSED ALL OF THE RESPECTIVE COMMENTS AND I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM PRIOR TO LOOKING AT THE FINE PACKAGE THEMSELVES.

BUT I'LL LET ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AND PROFESSIONALS TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS JUST HANDED TO YOU BY LORI GOLDSON.

YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS MARKED AS AN EXHIBIT TWO AS I DO? PLEASE AS APPLICANT TWO OR A2. GOT IT. SO IF I MAY, WHILE THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE REVIEWING OR JUST SUBMITTED WITH REFERENCE TO THE CCH MEMO.

THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NON RESIDENTIAL SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS, SPECIFICALLY PARAGRAPH IN THE MEMO 2.1.1.

THE PACKAGE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU INCLUDES TENANT DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS.

SAME GOES FOR .1.3. IN ADDITION, WITH REGARD TO THE TOWER SIGN HEIGHT, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE AMENDED UNDER 2.1.4.2.

THE DIMENSIONS AND THE OVERALL AREA HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE SIGN PACKAGE UNDER WIDTH.

EXCUSE ME. I JUST WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AND DIGESTIBLE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A GREAT AFTERNOON GOING THROUGH THIS PACKAGE. OKAY. I THINK WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THIS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE OUR REPORT AS A BASIS FOR THIS, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH, IF SOMETHING CONFORMS AND YOU'VE NOW SHOWN IT, PLEASE SAY THAT, OKAY.

IF YOU NEED RELIEF OR YOU THINK YOU NEED RELIEF, SAY THAT WE STILL NEED THE RELIEF.

IT'S JUST THE DETAIL HAS BEEN ADDED, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RELIEF THAT YOU DIDN'T REQUEST IN MY CALCULATIONS, ALMOST 40 VARIANCES THAT WE'VE FOUND TODAY THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M FILLING IN WITH YOU AND CLARIFYING THIS.

SO AND THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO RATHER THAN GO THROUGH THE REPORT TWICE LET'S DO IT ONCE AND DO IT THAT WAY IF I COULD.

AND FOR CLARIFICATION AS WELL, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE NUMBER THE VARIANCES ARE BASED ON INDIVIDUAL SIGNS, BUT NOT 40 DIFFERENT TYPES OF VARIANCES. YOU'LL WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT AS WELL.

YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE DO AGREE WITH YOUR COUNT FOR SURE THAT THE SIGNS THAT NEED VARIANCES,

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YOU HAVEN'T SEEN OUR COUNT YET. I JUST DID IT TODAY. OH I THOUGHT IT WAS. THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT OVER 40 THAT I FOUND TODAY THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE WE GOT YOUR EXHIBITS THIS MORNING.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN HERE, SOME OF THESE WE DIDN'T KNOW.

AND NOW WE KNOW BECAUSE YOU PROVIDED THESE EXHIBITS DETAILING THE ATTACHED SIGNS AND THE REASONING.

SO WHAT WOULD BE BEST THEN? IF WE DON'T THEN KNOW WHAT YOU FOUND THAT WE STILL NEED? WOULD IT BE BETTER TO GO THROUGH? WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST GOING THROUGH OUR REPORT AND WE'LL BOTH ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WE THINK THE CONFORMITY STATUS IS.

AND WHEN WE GET TO THE THE HEIGHTS OF THE SIGNS AND FOR THE AREAS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S MOST OF THE VARIANCES TOO.

I HOPE SO, I HOPE SO TOO. AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT C'S, RIGHT? WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO A D. NOT NOT THAT I CAN TELL.

WELL, THAT'S A GOOD START. THANK YOU. SO THEN TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WE HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS. MARCH 5TH MEMO. WE DON'T TAKE ANY ISSUE WITH THE.

SUMMARY ON PAGE 21 OF 22, WHICH GOES THROUGH THE VARIANCES REQUIRED, BUT I GUESS THERE ARE MORE THAN THE.

YEAH, THAT THAT WILL BE AMENDED BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND YOUR NEW EXHIBITS.

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS IN THE REPORT, WE CONCUR THAT THESE ARE ALL VARIANCES.

AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT TESTIMONY ON. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO SATISFY THE BOARD.

BUT I'M JUST STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT YOU WANT US TO ADDRESS IN THE REPORT.

WELL, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TOWER SIGN.

YOU SAID, WELL, WE'VE ADDED THE HEIGHT. DOES IT CONFORM? I THINK IT DOES. BUT LET'S IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THERE, IF YOU'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE'VE WE'VE PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THAT WE CONFORM OR THAT WE NEED A VARIANCE.

SO THEN I WOULD SAY ON OUR COMMENTS OF WHAT WAS ADDED.

SIGN ILLUMINATION WE BELIEVE COMPLIES. OKAY, THAT'S 2.1.1.

AND IF I'M INCORRECT, LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I'M JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT I THINK.

BUT ON THE APPLICANT, I THINK MOST OF IT PROBABLY COMPLIES, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE. YOU ADDED LANGUAGE THAT PARROTS THIS ON YOUR YOU ADDED LANGUAGE FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT REALLY PARROTS THIS.

SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THEN 2.1.3 WE BELIEVE COMPLIES MECHANISMS FOR THE SIGNAGE.

HOURS OF OPERATION YOU JUMPED OVER HOURS OF OPERATION.

I'M JUST SAYING WHAT WE ADDED. OKAY. YEAH. THE REST OF IT STILL NEEDS VARIANCES.

YEAH. 2.1.4.2.

WE THINK COMPLIES BASED UPON THE HEIGHT FROM THE FINISHED CRATE AT THE TOP.

THANK YOU. 2.1.4.3. WE BELIEVE COMPLIES BASED ON THE DETAILS OF THE DIMENSION AND THE WIDTH.

WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES. THANK YOU. 2.1.5.4.

ON THE SETBACK SHOWS THE SETBACK FROM THE MONUMENT FROM 518 AND 206 WHICH WE BELIEVE COMPLIES.

YES. 2.1.6.4. SHOWS THE SETBACK AGAIN FROM 518 AND 206 WHICH WE BELIEVE COMPLIES BACK UP ONE SECOND.

SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ON THE SECONDARY CAMPUS ENTRANCE SIGN NOW.

YEAH 2.1.6. SO UNDER TWO TWO YOU CAN FORM. NOW YOU SAY UNDER 222.1.6.2 HEIGHT. NO, YOU NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT. YEAH I AGREE.

OKAY. I'M REFERRING TO 2.1.6.4. OKAY. YOU JUMPED OVER THAT.

OKAY. YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE JUST ADDRESSING THE NEW STUFF, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M ADDRESSING WHAT IS ADDED THAT TAKES IT OUT OF BEING A VARIANCE.

OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. YEP. AND THAT CONFORMS THE SETBACK.

CONFORMS. THANK YOU. DIRECTIONAL SIGNS 2.1.7.2.

THE DIMENSION HAS BEEN ADDED FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE WHOLE FOODS MARKET.

PICK UP AND DELIVERY SIGN. YEP. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND IT CONFORMS. I WILL SAY THOUGH THAT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FOR THE CHIPOTLE.

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I SEE IT IN YOUR PLANS. BUT THE HEIGHT OF THAT IS NOT INDICATED.

OKAY. WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES. UNDER AREA FOR 2.17.3.

THAT'S THE PANERA DRIVE THROUGH AND THE CANOPY SIGN, WHICH WE BELIEVE NOW COMPLY. CORRECT. 35FT² FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.

AND THE CANOPY SIGN IS 4.2FT². CORRECT. WHAT ABOUT THE DUNKIN DRIVE.

ALSO COMPLY. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE AREA? 35FT², I THINK. OKAY.

AND 2.1.7.4. YOU WANTED TO SEE THE LOCATION OF SIGNS TO SITE PLAN AND WE ENLARGED EACH SHEET SHOWING THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE IT CONFORMS. YES. THANK YOU. SAME THING FOR 2.1.7.7. THE TEXT HEIGHT.

WE BELIEVE THAT CONFORMS. YES, YOU HAVE FIVE INCH TEXT, SO IT CONFORMS. OKAY. JUST A FEW MORE HERE THAT WERE ADDED 2.1.8.4 NOTES WERE ADDED FOR SIGN SETBACKS WHICH WE BELIEVE CONFORMS. OH YES. 2.1.9 FREESTANDING SIGN PLANNINGS.

NO. CHANGES TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANTING PLANS ARE PROPOSED AROUND THE PROPOSED FREESTANDING SIGNAGE.

NO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IS BEING PROVIDED. OKAY.

NEXT UNDER NUMBER 2.1. POINT 11.2. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

ONLY THREE SIGNS ARE REQUESTED FOR BUILDING 1000.

BECAUSE ROBINSON'S ALE HOUSE. THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING CAUSES TWO OF THE SIGNS TO BE VISIBLE ON MULTIPLE ELEVATIONS.

THE NUMBERING ADDED TO EACH SIGN AND ADDED A PLAN OF THE BUILDING LABELED FOR CLARITY.

THAT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION. NO, NO. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE FIVE SIGNS, BUT WITH THE CLARIFICATION, IT'S CLEAR IT'S THREE SIGNS.

OKAY. THERE IS JUST ONE MOMENT. THERE'S JUST CONCERN THAT WE ALL DON'T HAVE THE MEMO THAT YOU ARE READING OFF. SO SHERRY'S GOING TO PRINT SOME COPIES.

I KNOW KAREN HAS IT. SO JUST SO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE FOLLOWING WHAT YOU ARE.

DO YOU WANT ME TO START OVER? MADAM MAYOR, AT THIS POINT, SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST CATCHING UP TO THAT.

UNLESS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COPY? NOT REALLY.

RIGHT. OKAY. AND. AND THE MEMO WAS UPDATED TODAY, RIGHT? NO, NO, WE GOT WE GOT THE EXHIBITS TODAY. WE DID JUST MAKING NOTES.

LORI'S GOING TO PUT THE MEMO UP ON THE SCREEN.

OH THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. YEAH. IF WE CAN SEE IT ON THE MEMO DATED MARCH 5TH.

BUT THIS IS THE OKAY. AS LONG AS WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN, THEN ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN ALSO SEE.

OKAY, PERFECT. MR. GOLDSTEIN, YOU WERE UP TO 2.1.

POINT 11.1. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

SO LET'S JUST HOLD ON UNTIL IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE FROM THERE.

SIR. WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL REGROUP? THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO HIT THAT ONE MORE TIME.

LET'S GET THE STAFF BACK. THERE'S NO MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL TONIGHT.

WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. SO JUST CONTINUING ON WHERE WE LEFT OFF, WHICH WAS PAGE NINE OF 22, 2.1. 11.5. THERE'S A COMMENT ABOUT MOUNTING HEIGHT.

I'M SORRY, MR. GOLDSTEIN. JUST BACK TO 2.1, POINT 11.1 AND POINT TWO.

SO ARE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING YOU NEED VARIANCE RELIEF? NOT WELL FOR 2.1. 11.1. THERE WEREN'T ANY CHANGES MADE WITH REGARD TO THAT.

THERE WAS A COMMENT. THE ONE THAT I MADE MOST RECENTLY, WHICH IS 2.1, POINT 11.2.

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YEAH. AND I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. THAT IT'S REALLY IN OUR REPORT, WE SAID THAT THERE WERE FIVE SIGNS.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CLARIFYING EXHIBIT THAT THEY PRODUCED, THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND IT SHOWS IT HAS THIS CURVED SIDES AND THEY'RE VISIBLE. SO IN ELEVATION, YOU LOOK LIKE THERE'S MORE THAN THREE SIGNS.

THERE'S ONLY THREE SIGNS. SO THAT WAS CLARIFIED.

IF THEY'RE COMPLYING THEN ON THAT ONE BUT NOT ON TWO.

GOT IT. OKAY. SO THE BOARD'S INFORMATION WHEN WE ARE REFERRING TO LIKE 2.1.

11, CAN WE THEN ALSO CROSS REFERENCE IT TO THE SIGN PACKAGE SO THEY CAN GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE MEMO AND THE SO PACKAGE KIND OF HOPING TO DO JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER I GUESS, FOR ALL OF US. ONCE I'M THROUGH THE MEMO TO THEN GO THROUGH THE PLAN AND LOOK AT EACH PAGE, IF THAT'S OKAY. I GUESS LIKE DOUBLE WORK, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S WHAT'S BEST FOR THE BOARD.

IT'S WHATEVER THE BOARD. IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE PLAN.

IF POSSIBLE, WE. I THINK WE SHOULD REFERENCE THE PLAN.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I THINK I THINK I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE SIGN HEIGHT AND SIGN AREA VARIANCES, THEN IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THE WAY I REVIEWED THEM, I DIDN'T ELEVATE BUILDING BY BUILDING ELEVATION BY ELEVATION.

AND YOU CAN SYSTEMATICALLY GO THROUGH WHERE RELIEF IS NECESSARY ON THOSE EXHIBITS.

BUT IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS BESIDES THE AREA AND THE SIGN HEIGHT THAT NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT ON THE PLAN, I AGREE WITH LAURA. LIKE THE LIGHTING? WELL, I MEAN, WE ARE KIND OF TAKING THIS OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HASN'T PRESENTED THEIR SIGN PACKAGE.

SO THEY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THESE THIS WHOLE PACKAGE OF COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE.

SO PERHAPS IF YOU DID THAT, MR. GOLDSTEIN, THEN I'M FINE.

EITHER WAY. I JUST WANTED TO GET RID OF WHATEVER VARIANCES THAT MAY NOT EXIST.

SO WHEN WE'RE ADDRESSING, I UNDERSTAND, BUT MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS YOU CAN GO THROUGH THIS AND THEN IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE WHEN YOU SAY, OKAY, SO WE'VE COMPLIED. WE'VE COMPLIED BECAUSE FOR THE BOARD RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN A VACUUM.

THIS MEMO, THEY'RE NOT BEING ABLE TO CORRELATE IT TO WHAT ANY OF THESE SIGNS LOOK LIKE.

SO UP TO YOU OF COURSE, BUT DO WHATEVER. I'M GOING TO DO WHAT THE BOARD TELLS ME TO DO BECAUSE OKAY, WHY DON'T YOU PRESENT YOUR PACKAGE FIRST, THEN WE'LL GO BACK.

SO EACH OF YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU SIGN PACKAGE, WHICH CONSISTS OF AN AMENDED SIGN PLAN 14 PAGES LONG. EVERYBODY HAS THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, I HOPE.

OKAY. PAGE ONE IS JUST THE OVERVIEW. IS THIS OKAY TO GO THROUGH THIS WAY, JUST TO GO THROUGH EACH PAGE AND KIND OF DESCRIBE WHAT IT IS? YEP. OKAY, GOOD. SO PAGE ONE, JUST THE OVERVIEW OF SETBACKS, HEIGHTS, AND THEN REFERRAL ON SOME SPECIFIC SIGNS AS TO DIMENSIONS.

SO CAN YOU SCROLL UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? YOU'RE NOT CONTROLLING IT.

ARE YOU CONTROLLING IT? OH, I AM NOW. OKAY, BACK TO YOU.

OKAY. CAN YOU JUST SCROLL UP TO THE KEY ON THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS BUILDING 300 MONUMENT SIGN.

I COULD NOT FIND BUILDING 300 MONUMENT SIGN ON THERE.

AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE SMALLER THAN THE OTHERS, BUT. OKAY.

I'M SORRY. THIS IS CORRECT. SO ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS? I GUESS ON PAGE ONE? IT'S JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW, BUT WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

WHAT WAS THE MONUMENT SIGN? I'M SORRY. I'M CURIOUS, WHAT WAS THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT YOU TOOK OUT? I THINK THAT'S THE DAYCARE CENTER. YEAH. ON 518.

OH, OKAY. OKAY. IT WAS SPECIFIC TO THE BUILDING.

THE. THE BUILDING 300 MONUMENT SIGN WAS SPECIFIC TO THE BUILDING OR IS IT TO THE WHOLE COMPLEX? BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF ON THE EDGE OF THE COMPLEX WITH THE, WITH AN ENTRANCE ROAD. WELL, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE SECONDARY MONUMENT SIGN.

YES. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WAS IT SECONDARY TO SOMETHING THAT WAS OVER HERE? RIGHT. BY BUILDING 300, I GUESS THAT'S I THINK IT'S ONE UP ON THE SCREEN NOW.

THE BLUE DOT SECONDARY TO THAT. THESE LITTLE TINY DOTS ARE.

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MAY I PROCEED TO PAGE TWO? YEP. OKAY.

SO PAGE TWO. SELF-EXPLANATORY. IT HAS THE, OF COURSE, GENERIC WORD TENANT IN A NUMBER OF PLACES.

AND THEN IT HAS THE PANELS SHOWN AS WELL. AND THEN THE BIG SIGN, MONTGOMERY PROMENADE IS TO THE RIGHT.

THERE IS THIS IN THE UPPER. GARIN AND COUNTER SIGN.

AND THERE'S NO VARIANCES BEING ASKED FOR ON THIS ONE.

THEY ALL CONFORM. WE BELIEVE SO. BUT I'LL DEFER TO MR. SULLIVAN. ON PAGE TWO I ASSUME THERE'S NO VARIANCES.

I MEAN, ON THE UPPER RIGHT IT SAYS ALLOWABLE SIGNAGE AREA OF 50FT².

AND SEVERAL OF THESE SIGNS ARE MORE THAN 50FT², AT LEAST AS SHOWN.

ON. THIS ONE? YEAH. THERE'S THREE.

IS THERE SOME RELIEF NEEDED HERE OR. WE'RE GOOD.

OH, OKAY. THEN POINTS THAT OUT, PLEASE. GOOD.

I'M SORRY, I WAS THE MAYOR HAD A QUESTION. I'M SORRY.

I THINK THE MONUMENT SIGNS WERE ALLOWED DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT WAS A PRIMARY OR SECONDARY.

THEY'RE ALLOWED MORE THAN 50FT². OKAY, SO THAT 50 SQUARE FOOT THING IS NOT ENTIRELY APPLICABLE TO EVERYTHING.

NOT FOR THE MONUMENTS. 50FT² IS APPLICABLE TO THE ATTACHED SIGNS.

IT'S THE MAXIMUM SIGN AREA FOR AN ATTACHED SIGN.

OKAY. SO WE DO BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. AND THIS IS ALL AGAIN, NOT ALL OF THESE NEED VARIANCES.

A LOT OF IT WAS APPROVED WHEN WE DID OUR INITIAL AND THEN OUR AMENDED SITE PLAN YEARS AGO.

SO MOVING ON TO PAGE THREE IF THAT'S OKAY, GO AHEAD.

THESE ARE THE MONUMENT SIGNS AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE CORNERS.

SECONDARY SIGN AT BULMER AND 518 AND SETBACKS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHTS OF WAY.

MICHAEL. OKAY. TO GO FORWARD. YES. OKAY. MOVING ON TO PAGE FOUR, WHICH IS BUILDING 100. AND THESE ARE ACTUAL SIGNS THAT ARE GOING UP, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT SAYS TENANT, WHICH IS THE SECOND ONE DOWN. YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE FOODS, THE ALTAR, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE FROM THE ALTAR.

SO, SO, SO SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHICH SIGNS CONFORM TO HEIGHT AND AREA WHILE WE'RE TALKING HERE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTION THE WHOLE TIME AS I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.

YEAH. OH, SO SO LET ME LET ME JUST GO THROUGH THIS AND LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT MOVING.

SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS, WE HAD ASKED FOR INFORMATION ON SIGN AREA.

AND IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND SIGN AREA, WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING THAT THE TENANT IS IN BECAUSE IT'S RELATED TO THAT.

AND IT'S BASICALLY TWO TWO SQUARE FEET OF SIGN AREA FOR EVERY ONE FOOT OF LINEAL FRONTAGE OF THAT AREA.

NOT TO EXCEED 50FT. SO YOUR MAX IS 50FT ON ANY OF THESE TENANT SIGNS, BUT IT CAN BE LESS.

AND WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR EXHIBITS, WHAT I SAW ON THE EXHIBITS WAS THAT YOU HAD DIMENSIONED THE BAYS OF EACH OF THESE TENANT USERS, AND THAT'S WHAT I USE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SIGN AREA WAS CONFORMING OR NOT.

YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGNS, SO WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE MOUNTING HEIGHT OF A ATTACHED SIGN IS.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 22FT. ANYTHING OVER THAT NEEDS A VARIANCE.

OKAY, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT SIGN HEIGHT. ON BUILDING ONE ELEVATION ONE.

THE TENANT SIGN EXCEEDS 22FT. IT'S 23 TWO. THE WHOLE FOODS SIGN.

THE BIG ONE IS 29 THREE INCHES. THE SIGN IS 24FT ONE INCH AND THEY ALL EXCEED THE

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IF I LOOK AT THE AREA THERE ARE TWO SIGNS. NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SIGN.

NO SIGNS ON THIS. THIS BUILDING EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED SIGN AREA EXCEPT FOR THE WHOLE FOODS MARKET, WHICH IS CALLED OUT SEPARATELY. CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY, I CONCUR.

SO THE WHOLE FOODS SIGN IS, IS I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM IS.

MAXIMUM AREA IS 300FT² AND IT'S 397.

YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE BOARD COMMENT AS WE EACH GO ALONG ON EACH PAGE SINCE IT'S EXTENSIVE NUMBER OF PAGES.

SO YOU MIGHT I KNOW THAT'S NORMALLY NOT THE WAY WE DO IT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY IN THE FINAL RUN.

IT'S BETTER. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. OKAY. SO WE GO BACK TO PAGE FOUR, RIGHT? THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE. SO I GUESS THE FIRST COVER, PAGE TWO AND THREE, WE'RE CLEAR WITH.

YES. I THINK MY QUESTION IS THE THE WHOLE FOODS IS IS THAT WHAT MICHAEL SAID IS BIGGER THAN.

YES. OKAY. CORRECT, MA'AM. 300 IS THE MAX. WE'RE OVER BY 97.31.

AND TELL US HOW THESE ARE BEING LIT, PLEASE. AND FOR BACKLIT, THERE'S NO LIGHT SHINING UP. THEY'RE BACKLIT FROM THE SIGNS BEHIND THE WORDS OR EACH LETTER OR WHAT? THERE'S A LIGHTING SYSTEM THAT GOES BEHIND THE WHOLE SIGN, BEHIND THE LETTERS.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE FRONT LIT LIGHTS COMING UP.

THE LETTERS THEMSELVES WILL BE ILLUMINATED, BUT NOT WITH A LIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE LIKE A HOUSE LIGHT THROWING OFF ADDITIONAL LIGHT.

SO THE LETTERS. YEAH, INDIVIDUAL BACKLIT CHANNELS.

MA'AM, ARE YOU TESTIFYING? OH, YES. SHE WAS NEVER SWORN IN.

THAT'S SURE. WHO? I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS IN CHARGE? YES. COME ON UP. JUST TO BE SWORN IN. STATE YOUR NAME AND POSITION WITH THE COMPANY, AND MISS CASEY WILL SWEAR YOU IN.

JESSICA MOORE AND I'M THE CEO OF SJC VENTURES.

OKAY. AND, MA'AM, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO GOING ON, MR. SULLIVAN SAID EARLIER, I GUESS THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. IF WE WENT THROUGH PAGE BY PAGE AND ADDRESS THOSE SIGNS AND THEN IF THE BOARD HAD QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE, WE CAN ANSWER. AND THEN IF THE BOARD WAS OKAY WITH THE WAY THE SIGNS LOOK, I GUESS WE COULD REQUEST TO HAVE THE PLAN APPROVED AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. AND IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC SIGN THAT YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH, WE COULD ADDRESS THAT AS WELL, IF THAT'S OKAY. THAT SEEMS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE MAYOR, THAT WAS CERTAINLY A GOOD IDEA.

OKAY, SO THE WHOLE FOODS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS, FROM AN AREA PERSPECTIVE, HIGHER THAN THE RESPECTIVE.

YES. OKAY. ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. YES. YES. ANY COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST ONE? SO JUST GOING TO NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE 97 FOR ALL OF THEM. IN FACT, AT LEAST FROM EITHER FROM A HEIGHT PERSPECTIVE AND FOR THE IN THE CASE OF WHOLE FOODS, IT'S ALSO FROM A AREA PERSPECTIVE. THE ONE ON THE SIDE OF WHOLE FOODS THAT I THINK IT SAYS IT'S 79.39FT².

THAT WOULD NEED A VARIANCE ALSO BECAUSE IT'S GREATER THAN THE 50 OR NO.

ON THE WEST ELEVATION. RIGHT. THE WEST ELEVATION.

YEAH. THERE'S A SIGN, THE WHOLE FOODS SIGN ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 79FT².

YES. SO THAT WOULD NEED A VARIANCE. THAT DOES.

OKAY. YEP. AND THE TENANT SIGNS ARE JUST TEMPORARY OR JUST THERE WOULDN'T BE SIGNS THAT'S JUST KNOW.

BUT THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. BUT THAT ONE DOESN'T NEED A VARIANCE BECAUSE THAT'S THE 50, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER TENANT ULTIMATELY GOES THERE.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY. OKAY, SO IF THEY HAVE A REALLY LONG NAME, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE REALLY TINY LETTERS.

HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE YOU KNOW, DNR, MAYBE SOMETHING WITH AN AMPERSAND IN THE MIDDLE.

GOT IT. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ON THE WHOLE FOODS MARKET FRONT ELEVATION SIGN.

IF YOU TOOK OUT THE LEAF THAT'S OVER THE O AND MEASURED IT, IT WOULD CONFORM.

BUT BECAUSE THE WAY WE DRAW THE BOX, IT GOES FROM THE TOP.

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SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. IT'S MAYBE NOT AS BAD AS YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT THINK.

YES. SO WE'RE BLAMING IT ON THE FRUIT THEN ON THE LEAF.

OH YES. THAT'S RIGHT. ARE YOU THE SMALLER. OH SO THE LEAF WOULD BE DOWN.

SO WHAT ABOUT THE HEIGHT THEN. BECAUSE ANYTHING ABOUT 22 WOULD BE ALSO A VARIANT.

RIGHT. AND THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN. THE HEIGHT OF THE WHOLE FOOD SIGN.

IT'S 29FT THREE THREE INCHES. 22 IS THE MAX. YEAH.

WHAT ALTERNATIVES ARE THERE? YEAH, IT'S 33, 97.

IT'S 97FT² ABOVE. AND THERE'S 20. WAS IT ANOTHER SEVEN FEET ABOVE? WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES. SQUISH IT DOWN. NO, NO.

I THINK THEY WOULD MAKE THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN AT 22FT.

RIGHT. NO. WE APPROVED THE BUILDING. SO AT THE AT THE DESIGN.

SO I THINK THIS WE'VE KIND OF LOCKED OURSELVES INTO THE SIGNAGE VARIANCE HERE.

AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMENT THAT THAT ACTUALLY MOSTLY BLANK SPACE.

SO YOU SAID IT WOULD COMPLY IF THE BOX WAS PUT AROUND THE LETTERING.

WHAT WOULD BE THE, DID ANYBODY CALCULATE THAT WITH THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE.

I THINK ONE OF THE PLANS THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED WITHOUT THAT LEAF, IT WAS AT 300, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS LIKE.

SO THIS IS A YEAH, I THINK AS YOU GO THROUGH THESE, WHETHER SOMETHING NEEDS A VARIANCE OR NOT, THE IMPORTANT THING IS HOW IT LOOKS WITH THE BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING'S BEEN SET UP TO ACCEPT SIGNS AND WE'VE ACCEPTED.

AND THIS IS A RETAIL REDEVELOPMENT HERE, RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NEED A VARIANCE, BUT IT MIGHT LOOK FINE, RIGHT? OR IT MAY NEED A VARIANCE. AND YOU MIGHT THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SMALLER. BUT IT'S WE ALWAYS TRY TO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.

AND WE DID IT WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH WITH THEM.

IT'S REALLY TO TRY TO MATCH THE RIGHT SIGN SIZE AND LOCATION WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURE.

AND IF YOU DRIVE BY THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY SET BACK FROM 206.

SO THIS SIGN ISN'T GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT'S HUMONGOUS FROM 206.

AND THAT'S WHERE MOST PEOPLE I THINK ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT. RIGHT? OKAY, OKAY.

AND MAYBE THE WAY TO DO THIS IS CERTAINLY DO IT ANY WAY YOU LIKE.

IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL VARIANCE ONE BY ONE. BUT IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT A PAGE AND SAY THAT THIS PAGE LOOKS OKAY, MAYBE WE COULD INCORPORATE ALL OF THESE VARIANCES INTO THE VARIANCES NECESSARY FOR BUILDING 100 ON PAGE FOUR.

WE COULD ALSO GO THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE AND ADDRESS IT.

IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD. BUT FOR EXPEDIENCY, I JUST WANT, LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND IT LOOKS OKAY AND YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT, I WOULD SAY. TO GO FORWARD, BUT LET'S GO PAGE BY PAGE.

THAT'S THE METHOD WE'VE ADOPTED RIGHT NOW. SO LET'S GO WITH THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO OKAY, SO MAY I MOVE ON TO PAGE FIVE? YEAH. YEAH. HOW COME ULTA GETS 11 SIGNS, IF YOU DON'T MIND MY ASKING. JUST THAT'S A LOT OF SIGNS.

ARE THEY SMULLER OR JUST THE WAY THEY'RE COUNTED.

IT'S ALL IN ALL THEIR CANOPIES. THE CANOPIES COUNT AS SIGNS.

CORRECT? OH, AND ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S IN RED, THE CANOPIES, THERE'S FOUR, AND THEN THERE'S FOUR OTHER BLOCKS LOWER.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE THREE UP TOP. SO THOSE ARE THE ADDITIONAL SIGNS.

IT'S NOT THREE BIG ALTA SIGNS. IT'S JUST THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.

I SEE AND THEY ARE NOT LIT UP THE CANOPIES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ON PAGE FOUR ON PAGE FOUR, WHERE THE TENANT IS LISTED, OR AT LEAST WHERE THE SIGN IS DEPICTED ON HERE.

ANY, ANY BUSINESS THAT'S COMING IN THE SIGN WOULD PROBABLY BE HIGHER, RIGHT? WELL MAYBE NOT, THOUGH, IF THEY'RE BOUND BY THAT.

LOOK, WE WOULD LIKE THE SIGNS TO GO WHERE THE TENANTS WOULD ASK US TO PUT THEM, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, A BETTER MIX OF TENANTS, BUT THAT DOESN'T NEED A VARIANCE.

SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE BOARD OF DISCRETION.

WHETHER IT'S A GOOD POINT, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO BOUND SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK STRANGE IF IT WAS DOWN LOW RELATIVE TO THE WHOLE FOODS IN ALTA. BOTH HAVE SPACES UNDERNEATH. YEAH. SO SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK THROUGH AS WELL.

YEAH. I THINK THE ALLOWANCE SHOULD FOR THIS VACANT TENANT WOULD BE TO PUT IT IN THE SAME LIKE RELATIVE DIMENSIONS THAT WE SHOULD DESIRE THAT.

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I THINK SO, THANK YOU. SO THE BOARD SHOULD COME UP WITH WHAT THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE.

AND THEN WHEN THE SIGN COMES IN, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET OR BE LESS THAN THAT HEIGHT.

LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, OH, IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN THAT SINCE IT'S A VARIANCE.

YOU GUYS SHOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, 24.2 OR 25 OR WHATEVER YOU WANT.

YEAH. THE OLD SIGNS PROBABLY SERVES AS A GOOD MARKER AT THE TOP OF.

THAT'S 24.11. YEAH. THIS ONE ON THE TOP OF IT'S 23 TWO.

SO IT'S 11IN HIGHER. THE ALTA SIGN. YEAH. YEAH.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO ONE ON THE SIDE, BUT THE SIGN IS CENTERED IN A LOWER RECTANGLE, RIGHT? AND THERE'S NO OVERHANG THERE. THAT'D BE GREAT.

THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED SIGN TO MEET THE ALTA TO MATCH THAT 24 ONE.

YOU WON'T SEE IT FROM THE GROUND. THAT'S WHAT THE TENANT SHOULD BE. PROBABLY SPECIFY BOTH.

IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN, NOT THE TOP.

IS THAT 29? THAT'S DIFFERENT RIGHT? SO THIS SHOULD BE 24.

AND THEN OVER ON THE SIDE IS 25. I THINK 25 TWO.

I MEAN, IF I IF WE COULD CAP I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO SOLVE FOR IT NOW, BUT 24 WOULD.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT HAS TO SOME STANDARD HAS TO COME.

AND THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I EXPECT TO COME FROM PROFESSIONALS.

IS THAT DEPENDENT ON BOTH THE FRONT SOUTH ELEVATION AND ON THE WEST? YEP. LET'S GO TO 2422. YES, YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, YES. YES. 24.2. I MEAN, ALMOST LIKE.

24 ONE SO. 24.1 RIGHT. I'M SORRY. ALTA IS. 24.1 HERE.

RIGHT. RIGHT. SO MAYBE CONSISTENT WITH ALTA AND THE.

BUT THE WHOLE FOODS THAT'S ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE LEFT WAS 24.2.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT THE 24.1 OR THE.

24.2 24.2 24.2 CONSISTENCY. THANK YOU.

JUST. I MAY MISS THIS. IS THAT TENANT SIGN THE ONE THAT JUST SAYS TENANT IS THAT MOUNTED OUTBOARD OF THE AWNING OR WHATEVER THAT PROJECTION IS THAT'S NOT ON THE WALL. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S MOUNTED TO THE, THE FACE OR THE TOP OF THE CANOPY, THE CANOPY THAT COVERS ALL LETTERS, RIGHT? SO, SO IF YOU PUSH IT BACK ON THE WALL, WILL IT, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT AT ALL. WILL IT STILL BE VISIBLE? NO.

WHY WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE WHOLE FOOD SIGN? BECAUSE THAT'S ABOVE THE.

YEAH, ABOVE THE SAME OVERHANG, RIGHT? THAT'S AT 29.

THAT'S FIVE FEET HIGHER. YEAH. THE TENANT SIGNS TOO LOW.

RIGHT.

YEAH, I THINK I THINK WE WERE WAITING FOR YOU.

MAYBE ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHETHER THAT TENANT SIGN, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT IS FLOATING SINCE THAT TENANT IS STILL WORKING ON IT BEING DESIGNED. YEAH, WE THEY CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.

WE COULD DO IT ON THE AWNING OR WE COULD PUT IT ON THE BUILDING.

YEAH, YEAH. RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT IS SHOWN IS ON THE AWNING.

HOW DEEP IS THE AWNING? PROBABLY. IT'S ONLY ABOUT TWO FEET.

OKAY. THAT'S IT. FOR UNIFORMITY SAKE DO. I WOULDN'T IF THEY'RE ALL AGAINST ON THE WALL.

WHY WOULDN'T EVERYTHING BE ON THE WALL? YEAH, YEAH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO UP THAT.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO UP THAT MUCH HIGHER. SO I SEE IF WE WENT UP HIGH, WE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO BE ABLE TO GO UP HIGHER.

WE JUST WANTED TO KEEP OUR VARIANCES TO A MINIMUM EVEN THOUGH WE NEED A LOT.

BUT IF WE COULD TAKE THAT SIGN UP MORE, THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND SO I'D LIKE SHERRY WAS SAYING, I THINK IT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE WALL AND NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE STENCILS KIND OF.

YEAH, YEAH. ON THE AWNING IT WOULD BE 25 SIX FOR IT BEYOND THE BUILDING.

THE WAY IT'S SHOWING NOW IS ON THE AWNING, 25 SIX WOULD BE ON THE BUILDING TO MATCH THE OTHERS TO BE CENTERED.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN THE ALTER SIGN AND THE WHOLE FOOD SIGN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE.

CORRECT. THIS IS JUST THE WAY THAT THE FACADE IS LAID OUT, AND IT'S JUST NOT QUITE AS BIG AS THE WHOLE THING.

YEAH. SO 25 SIX IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE.

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YEAH. I'D AGREE. YEAH. YEAH. ESTHETICALLY IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TOO.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M ON THE SAME ON THE WEST ELEVATION THEN BECAUSE THAT'S AT 24 TWO RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT. WEST ELEVATION. NO THE. YEAH. THIS ONE HERE.

THE WEST ELEVATION MEANING THE WHOLE FOOD SIGN OR THE WEST ELEVATION. THE TENANT.

YEAH. YEAH. YES. YEAH. SO 25 SIX ON BOTH. YES.

OKAY. YEAH. YEAH.

25. MAY WE MOVE ON TO PAGE FIVE? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE WHOLE FOODS MARKET? SIGNAGE, ALL THOSE LITTLE GREEN DOTS PICK UP AND DELIVERY SIGNS.

OH. PARKING. PARKING. OKAY, OKAY. PAGE FIVE. PAGE FIVE.

YES. AND ACTUALLY, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.

IS IT. I KNOW I'VE GONE TO OTHER WHOLE FOODS AND THEY'VE GOT PARKING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR HIGH CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THEIR CAR.

IS IT JUST PICK UP AND DELIVERY. THAT'S ALL THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THIS FOR THIS LOCATION.

FOR THOSE SIGNS FOR THIS LOCATION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION WITH LOGOS.

YES. THAT'S ALL THAT. THAT'S ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE DESIGNATED TO WHOLE FOODS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE IS A THERE IS EV PARKING, RIGHT? EV PARKING? YEAH. THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.

YEAH. OKAY. SO PAGE FIVE COMPLIES, I BELIEVE. I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO MIKE.

PAGE FIVE. ANY QUESTION THERE THAT WE SEE THAT DOESN'T COMPLY? OKAY. AND WE MOVE ON TO PAGE SIX. YEAH.

VERY NICE. PANERA'S. THE PANERA REAR EAST ELEVATION IS BIGGER THAN 50FT. IS IT. THAT'S CORRECT. A 2.5FT. OH, HE'S A REAR EAST.

OH, I GOT IT. NEVER MIND. SORRY. IS THAT BECAUSE IT HAS THE DRIVE THROUGH SIGN BELOW? THE SIGN IS THAT INCLUSIVE, RIGHT? YES. SO THE SIGN IS PROPORTIONALLY IT'S PROBABLY WITHIN OUR REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE DRIVE THROUGH SIGN AND THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE AND THE NUMBER OF SIGN AS WELL.

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. IT SEEMS OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH.

AND THEN THE URGENT CARE HAS THREE SIGNS. WELL, THAT'S GOOD IF YOU NEED TO FIND IT.

RIGHT. THAT'S PROBABLY. I THINK THAT'S IF THERE'S ONE SIGN VARIANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE URGENT CARE. YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIND THAT. WELL, IT'S KIND OF URGENT. SO. JUST A QUICK ONE ON THE PANERA SIGN.

SURE. DOES IT HAVE TO BE UNDERNEATH IT. WOULD IT AND WOULD IT? WOULD IT WOULD THERE BE ANY COMPLIANCE IF IT WERE SIDE BY SIDE? JUST A QUESTION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

SO PANERA THEN THE DRIVE THRU IS UNDERNEATH. IF THEY WERE.

OH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE. OKAY. I'M SORRY.

AGAIN ON THE REAR EAST ELEVATION RIGHT NOW IT'S AT 5252 .69.

CORRECT. AND I WAS JUST THINKING, WHAT IF THEY WERE SIDE BY SIDE.

THERE'S TWO SEPARATE SIGNS STILL BE THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.

YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. A LOT OF SIGNS TO LOOK AT.

SO THE SIGNS THAT JUST SAY TENANT ONE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOBODY THAT'S LEASED THAT SPACE AT THIS POINT AND IT SAYS 30FT².

DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE COMING IN WITH A PLAN THAT IT WON'T BE ANY BIGGER THAN 30, OR YOU STILL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO GO UP TO THE 50? WE COULD DO WHAT, WHAT WHAT COMPLIES? WE WOULDN'T ASK FOR A VARIANCE.

THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE OF HOW BIG IT'S GOING TO BE. GOT IT.

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SO ON PAGE SIX, THE ONLY ONLY VARIANTS THAT WE APPROVED WAS THE PANERA AND THE DRIVE THRU, RIGHT? AND THE URGENT CARE AS WELL. THE NUMBER.

OKAY, SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING, I THINK AND MAKE IT EASY FOR MISS CASEY WHEN WE DO A RESOLUTION WOULD BE TO MAKE THIS EXHIBIT.

I CAN SHRINK IT DOWN AND MAKE IT PART OF THE RESOLUTION. AND WE CAN REFERENCE EACH ONE IF THAT'S EASIER. OR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH SIGN BY SIGN? KAREN, IT'S UP TO YOU. I THINK I THINK PROBABLY SIGN BY SIGN MAKES MORE SENSE.

BUT FOR NOW. JUST POINTING OUT.

OKAY. SEVEN. OKAY, SO WE'RE ON TO PAGE SEVEN.

CHIPOTLE HAS THREE SIGNS, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT THE WAY THE BUILDING IS SET UP.

GOT THREE SIDES, RIGHT. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE CLEARANCE BAR AND PICK UP SIGN? NINE FOOT CLEARANCE BAR. OKAY. AND THE PICKUP I THINK IS SEVEN FEET.

RIGHT. I'LL BE MORE THAN NINE FEET THEN THOUGH.

WOULDN'T IT BE HIGHER THAN NINE FEET IF THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGNS. NINE FEET.

WHAT ARE WE IN VIOLATION OF HERE FOR? THE TOP OF IT, I THINK IS NINE SIX.

I THINK THAT'S A SIX INCH BEAM. THE BOTTOM OF IT IS NINE, RIGHT.

THE ACTUAL CLEARANCE IS NINE. THE TOTAL HEIGHT WOULD BE NINE SIX.

YEAH NINE SIX. SO IT'S NINE, SIX AND SEVEN I GUESS.

SO THE VARIANCE REQUEST HERE IS FOR THREE SIGNS ON THE BUILDING. CORRECT.

IN PANEL TWO THE EAST ELEVATION. THE WRITING IS IN RED.

WHY IS IT IN RED. THAT'S THE VARIANCE. THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.

SO THE FIRST SIGN IS GOOD. THE SECOND SIGN'S GOOD. THE THIRD IS THE VARIANCE. OH, BECAUSE IT'S THE THIRD ONE. OKAY.

GOT IT. YEAH. THANKS FOR THE CLEARANCE SIGN. CONSIDER A DIRECTIONAL SIGN THAT EXCEEDS THE HEIGHT. CORRECT? IS THAT A VARIANCE? WELL, IF WE CONSIDER THAT A DIRECTIONAL SIGN, IT'S GOT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET.

OKAY. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE 9.5FT VARIANCE. THE PICKUP SIGN IS SEVEN FEET.

IT CONFORMS TO HEIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE SIX INCHES HIGHER THAN THAN IT'S ALLOWED TO BE.

FOR THE PREVENTING CARS FROM DRIVING INTO THE BUILDING. BETTER TO GET THE VARIANCE AND HAVE SOMEONE ON THEIR CAR HIT IT WITH THEIR ROOF RACK.

YEAH, YEAH. YEAH, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. YEAH.

OKAY. ARE WE MOVING ON TO PAGE EIGHT? I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THE ORIENTATION ON THIS, THE PAGE EIGHT IF WE'RE ON THERE.

YEAH. BECAUSE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE IMAGE STUDIOS IS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

IS THE LEFT LOCATION. THE SOUTH ELEVATION. IT'S THIS SIDE.

YEAH. YEAH. OH, SO IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE BUILDING.

I'M SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THIS IS JUST TWO UNITS.

SO THERE'S NO THE ENTRANCE ON THE, I GUESS.

THE OTHER SIDE. SOUTH ELEVATION. YEAH. YEAH. ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

THERE'S NO TENANT THERE OR THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SIGNAGE FOR THAT LOCATION.

SO THERE'S A BACK CORRIDOR THAT RUNS THAT CONNECTS ALL OF THESE TENANTS THAT COMES OUT HERE.

SO THERE IS NO SIGNAGE BACK HERE. THIS IS.

YEAH. SO THEY DON'T THEY WON'T NEED A SIGN ON THIS BACK.

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DON'T FORGET THE SIGNAGE. IS THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A RELATIVELY PROMINENT.

LOOK, I MEAN, SO IF YOU'RE COMING NORTH ON 206, YOU'RE GOING TO. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING RIGHT THERE.

600 ON THE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE I'VE HEALTH IS LOOKS LIKE MUCH SMALLER THAN SHAKE SHACK.

THIS SEEMS INCONSISTENCY ON THE SIDE OF THE SAME BUILDING.

YEAH.

AND WHERE'S THE TOWER? I'M SORRY. I'M CONFUSED.

YOU'RE REFERENCING. IT'S A WEST ELEVATION. YOU'RE FACING WEST.

YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE THE FROM 206 FRONTAGE YOU'RE LOOKING WEST TOWARDS.

THAT WOULD BE THE ELEVATION. RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

STAYING ON 206. AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EAST ELEVATION FROM THE EAST.

SO LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EAST ELEVATION, YOU'RE LOOKING WEST.

BUT YEAH YOU'RE LOOKING. YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. GREAT. GREAT. SO THE WONDER SIGN IS GOING TO BE FACING 206.

I JUST. WANTED THE OVERALL SITE PLAN ON THERE SO YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING.

I GOT IT RIGHT HERE FACING THE 206. YES, YES.

YES. SO. SO MAYBE SAID DIFFERENTLY. THE SIZE THAT HAVE NO.

NO SIGNS ON IT. WOULD THEY BE VISIBLE FROM 2O6.

I MEAN. YEAH. I MEAN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT MAYBE AS YOU'RE TRAVELING.

RIGHT. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, SOUTH AND NORTH UP TO A SIX, YOU'D SEE SOUTH.

SO SOUTH. SO IF YOU'RE TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND, YOU'LL SEE THEM.

YEAH. THAT WOULD BE HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THEN HERE I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT THERE'S NO SIGN.

I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT BUILDINGS.

YEAH. BUILDING 600 IN THE COMPLEX. AND THERE'S NO SIGN.

I MEAN, IT'S FINE. OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S ONLY ONE SIGN FOR SHAKE SHACK UP TOP.

YEP. ONE HERE, ONE HERE. YEAH, BUT IT'S ON A CORNER, RIGHT? RIGHT SO AS JESS SAID A LITTLE EARLIER AND I JUST CONFIRMED WITH SHAUN, THIS IS WHAT THEY CONSIDER THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

IMAGE STUDIO GETS A SIGN THE TENANTS MAY OR MAY NOT WANT.

WE DIDN'T ASK, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE SIGNAGE THERE, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE MORE THAN LESS.

BUT WE WERE TRYING TO LIMIT WHERE THE MOST VISIBLE PLACES WOULD BE.

I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT YOU WANT TO HAVE LOOK GOOD FROM 206 AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT KIND OF THE WHOLE THING IS VISIBLE FROM 206 YEAH.

WELL, THREE SIDES OF IT WOULD BE VISIBLE AS YOU DRIVE BY BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING IF YOU GO TO THE NORTH ELEVATION.

IT'S THE END SHAKE SHACK, BUT THE MIDDLE IS STILL THAT SAME AREA, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.

IT'S JUST THE BUILDING'S FLIPPED. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SIGNS ON THE BACK END OF STORES.

THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT WHERE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO GO, RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT THERE IS PARKING ALL.

THERE'S PARKING ALL AROUND IT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUSING ME. WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN FROM HERE, THERE'S REALLY NO BACKSIDE OF THIS BUILDING. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T, I DON'T. RIGHT. THERE'S PARKING ALL AROUND IT.

EXCEPT THAT THE WAY YOU GET TO ALL OF THE PARKING IS FROM THE WEST.

YES. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO THE WEST IS LIKE THE ENTRANCE, BUT BUT YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

EXCEPT FOR THE WALKWAY FOR PEDESTRIANS. YEAH, YEAH.

ON THE EAST SIDE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'LL MAKE SENSE.

OKAY. IT'S FINE. YEAH. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE VARIANCE HERE? IS THERE SOMETHING IN RED AT THE BOTTOM? BUT WAS IT FOR AN EXTRA SIGN OR WAS THERE A VARIANCE ON PAGE EIGHT? YEAH. ON ON BUILDING 600. YEAH. NO VARIANCES, NO VARIANCES FOR HEIGHT, NO VARIANCES.

SO WE'RE ALL GOOD. THEY'RE ALL GOOD. OKAY. WAS THERE SOME RED AT THE BOTTOM. WHERE'S THE RED UP HERE ON NORTH ELEVATION.

NO ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT. MAYBE JUST A TYPO. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

I THINK THAT'S FOR A WINDOW SIGN, BUT I'M THINKING THE ORDINANCE.

IT SAYS IF IT'S UNDER ONE SQUARE FEET, YOU DON'T NEED TOO SMALL.

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SO THAT WENT OVER. BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE THE ONE.

I THINK THIS IS OKAY. GOT IT. GOOD. ON THE PAGE NINE.

THANK YOU. THIS IS DUNCAN AND THE DOOR TO DOOR NUMBERS OF SIGNS.

THIS IS THE BACK OF THE PACK. THESE HAVE SIGNS IN THE BACK.

WHICH BUILDING? OVER THIS. THIS IS NUMBER 700, 700.

700. NEXT TO 600. OH, THERE IT IS. SO THIS IS RIGHT IN THE FRONT.

OH, YEAH. SO THERE'S NO BACK TO THE LINE BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.

THAT'S WHY. YEAH. IT'S THE SAME THOUGH. RIGHT. BUT ON, ON THESE SIGNS.

BUT WE'RE DONE WITH. ON THIS BUILDING. YEAH. IT'S WEIRD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR IT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT.

YEAH. OH, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE BACK DOORS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC STORES.

THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T REALLY GO THERE BECAUSE IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE DUNKIN DONUTS.

YEAH. NO. I'M CONFUSED. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T KNOW THE WE DIDN'T THERE WASN'T THERE WASN'T A DUNKIN DONUTS.

I THINK WHEN WE APPROVED THIS OR THERE WASN'T. NO, NO.

THE QUEUING FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH I'M A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT MAYBE IT HELPS, RIGHT? YEAH. WHERE WHERE CAN WE POINT THAT OUT? SEE, IT'S BUILDING 700.

WE'RE TALKING. I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT YEAH, SO BUT THE DRIVE, THE DUNKIN IS ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THAT.

SO WHERE DO THE CARS QUEUE UP FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH? THEY COME THEY COME FROM THE SOUTHERN DRIVE AISLE.

THE BEHIND BUILDING THE BEHIND WHERE THE DOG PARK.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING IN BETWEEN 700 AND 1300 AND YOU TAKE A LEFT.

YES. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S TWO WAY RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT. IS THAT WHAT THOSE TWO ARROWS THIS ROAD HERE IS TWO WAY I THINK.

IS IT. NO, IT COULDN'T BE TWO WAY BECAUSE THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH. SO.

NO, NO BECAUSE YOU CAN COME UP FROM HERE RIGHT.

NO. ARE THESE TWO ARROWS OR IS THAT. WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S ONE WAY. WHAT? JUST ONE WAY. ONE WAY. YEAH.

LOOKS LIKE ARROWS FACING OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS THOUGH. ON ON MY COPY I NEED GLASSES.

SO JUST BEFORE THE IN THERE. ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

YEAH. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE ROAD, THE, THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO GET BY THE BUILDING, TO THE RIGHT.

YEAH. OKAY. SO WHERE IS THE WHERE IS THE WHERE'S THE WINDOW? THERE IS NO IMAGE OF THE WINDOW. NO, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THAT'S WHY I'M. YEAH. NO. YEAH. RIGHT THERE. THERE'S THE WINDOW.

IS THAT FOR. OH, YEAH. YEAH. IT'S THE BUFFALO WILD WINGS.

YEP. TO GO OR WHATEVER. YEAH. OKAY, I SEE IT.

I SEE IT NOW. I'M SORRY. IT'S ON. YEAH YEAH YEAH.

BUT THE THE THE DRIVE THROUGH SIGNAGE IS. OH YEAH.

RIGHT AT THE TOP THERE. YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE PURPLE DOT.

YEAH. UNDER THE SIGN. YEAH. FOR THAT. THAT'S WHERE YOU ORDER I GUESS.

OH YEAH. IT'S HARD. IT'S HARD TO SEE YOU. I THINK YOU SAY IT RIGHT.

YEAH, WE SEE IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH.

SO THAT IS ONE WAY WITH WHICH YOU CAN AND WITH THE PASSAGE.

SO OKAY, YOU CAN GET THROUGH THERE WITH CARS QUEUED UP.

OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. WELL, THERE'S TWO LANES.

THERE'S TWO LANES, BUT THEY'RE GOING THE SAME DIRECTION. YEAH. I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT PLACES THOUGH BEFORE. SO YEAH.

NO IT WAS THAT. THAT IS THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT HERE. OKAY. YEAH.

SO THIS IS YEAH. SO IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET OUT THE DOOR, IS THERE ANY REFERENCES ON THIS ONE ASKED FOR OR OR AND THEN I COME BACK IN THE HEIGHT OF DUNKIN DONUTS, MAYBE THE SIGN OF THE HEIGHT. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, THAT JUST SORT OF ESTHETICALLY WORKS.

YEAH. THESE BUILDINGS ARE JUST TALLER. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

HERE'S THE DRIVE THROUGH THE WINDOWS RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS 23 NINE ON BOTH SIDES TO THE FRONT AND THE NORTH.

SO. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF, OF HEIGHT SIGN VARIANCES ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? THREE ON ON BUILDING 700. LET ME JUST, I'LL GO THROUGH MY LIST AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG OR NOT.

SO IN TERMS OF HEIGHT ON ELEVATION ONE, THE DUNCAN SIGN IS 23 NINE WHERE YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE 22.

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IS IT REALLY ON ELEVATION TWO? THE DUNCAN SIGNS TOO HIGH.

THAT'S 23FT, NINE INCHES. IS IT A SPOT ON ELEVATION THREE.

DOOR TO DOOR IS 22 SIX. BUFFALO WILD WINGS IS 22 EIGHT.

DUNCAN'S 23 AND ON ELEVATION FOUR. DOOR LEADER IS 24 SIX.

AND THAT'S THE HEIGHT VARIANCES IN TERMS OF AREA.

THE CASA GLOW IS 46.67. DO YOU HAVE LIKE A ROUGHLY A 45 SQUARE FOOT MAX. BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE 22FT, THREE INCHES OF FRONTAGE.

SO YOUR MAX IS 44 SIX AND YOU'VE GOT 46, 67 ON THE EUROPEAN WAX. IT'S A SIMILAR PROBLEM. YOU'VE GOT 19 FOOT FRONTAGE, YOU'VE GOT 40FT.

SO YOU'RE ONLY ENTITLED 38FT, SQUARE FEET THERE AS A SIGN.

SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS ON THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING ON THAT.

THE REST OF THE AREAS ARE CONFORMING CONCURRENT.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, SO SHOULD SHOULD WE ASK FOR A SMALLER EUROPEAN WAX? SIGN. I MEAN, IS THAT I'M LOOKING I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I LOOK AT JUST COMPOSITIONALLY, I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR.

IT DOESN'T TAKE UP THE WHOLE AREA, THAT ARCHITECTURAL PANEL, IT FITS WITHIN IT.

AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE BACKGROUND FROM THE LETTERS FROM A FROM A STANDPOINT OF CLASHING WITH THE ARCHITECTURE, I DON'T THINK IT DOES, BUT RELATIVELY BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S IT TAKES UP MORE SPACE THAN THE OTHER ONES.

SO BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S PROPORTIONAL TO THE SPACE TO THE OTHER SIDE.

OKAY. THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. I THINK SO TOO.

YEAH. OKAY. YEP. LOOKS FINE. YEAH. TEN I GUESS.

GOOD, GOOD. THANK YOU. MAY WE MOVE ON TO PAGE TEN? YES. LET'S DO IT. OKAY. GENERIC TENANT.

WE'VE GOT FOUR SIGNS FRONT, LEFT, REAR, RIGHT AND.

SIZE. ON ALL OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

YES, IT'S THE BUILDING IN THE VERY, VERY MIDDLE.

WE DON'T KNOW YET. SO IT'S GOING TO. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ONE SINGLE RESTAURANT.

SO IT'S SIGNAGE FOR ALL FOUR SIDES BECAUSE OF WHERE IT SITS ON THE PROJECT.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO NEED SIGNS ON. SO THAT'S A SINGLE NONDESCRIPT RESTAURANT THAT HASN'T YET SIGNED A LEASE.

OKAY. SO BECAUSE IT HASN'T SIGNED CAN AND IT NEEDS FOR, IS IT GOING TO BE THAT IT NEEDS FOUR SIGNS? IS THE VARIANCE ON ONE BUILDING OR ONLY JUST THAT THEY'RE GOING.

WAS IT 80 AND 60FT SQUARE FEET ABOVE THE 50? WHAT ARE THE VARIANCES BEING ASKED? THEY NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.

YEP. AND THEY NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE AREA OF EVERY ONE OF THE.

EVERY ONE OF THE SIGNS. OKAY. SO THERE ARE NO HEIGHT VARIANCES FOR THESE ATTACHED SIGNS.

AND SO NUMBER AND AREA. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO SINCE IF IF YOU ALREADY HAVE FOUR, THEN MAYBE THIS IS THE TIME TO SAY YOU CAN'T EXCEED THE 50 ON THE SIGNAGE. JUST PUT IN SOME. RIGHT. IT'S HARD TO GUESS WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TENANT'S GOING TO BE, RIGHT? WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONFORM STRICTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE, MAYBE.

YEAH. BUT AL, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT HOPEFULLY MORE BUSINESSES.

AND HERE IS FOUR SIGNS. SO NO, NO, I HEAR YOU, I HEAR YOU.

THE THING ABOUT IT WAS JUST THE SIZE THAT LOOKED THE MOST NATURAL.

WITH THE WAY YOU MAY WANT TO ACTUALLY GET THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU.

I'M SORRY, I JUST SAID IT WAS JUST THE SIZE THAT LOOKED THE MOST NATURAL ON THE WAY THAT THE FACADE WAS ALREADY LAID OUT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKING FOR IT. IT JUST IS WHAT FELT THE MOST NATURAL WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET LIKE A REAL HIGH END RESTAURANT.

I'M SORRY. I AM SEEING THAT ONE IS 80 AND THE OTHERS ARE IN 60, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND IF AND IF THIS BUILDING WERE TO SPLIT INTO TWO, THEN WE WOULD ASK FOR EACH OF THESE TO BE 50.

SO THERE'D BE 100FT² ON THIS ONE SIDE. THIS IS ONE SIGN FOR 80.

GOTCHA. AND I'M SORRY I CUT YOU OFF BEFORE. THE ONLY THING I WAS SAYING TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.

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BUT WE THINK IT'S WARRANTED BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS FAIRLY BIG AND THE SIGN ISN'T OVERLY BIG.

IT LOOKS TO ME AT LEAST KIND OF MASKED AS AS IT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

BUT I GET IT. IT'S FOR SIGNS AND THEY'RE BIG, BUT WE WANT THIS REALLY TO BE KIND OF A RESTAURANT TENANT THAT'S GOING TO WANT MORE SIGNAGE. BUT DO YOU REALLY NEED. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.

DO YOU REALLY NEED ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S FACING A NARROW ROAD AND TWO OTHER BUILDINGS.

IT'S NOT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THAT EFFECTIVE AS A SIGN.

I'M NOT SURE EITHER. BUT UNDER THAT SAME LOGIC, IT REALLY WON'T AFFECT ANYBODY BECAUSE IT'LL BE FACING KIND OF NOTHING.

BUT I GET IT. OR YOU COULD PUT A SMALLER SIGN ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? RIGHT. THEY JUST SEEM HUGE. BUT MAYBE JUST FROM THE IMAGES, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS IF IT'S SUCH A LARGE BUILDING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A SMALLER BUILDING WITH FOUR GIANT SIGNS IS WHAT I'M JUST GETTING THAT FEELING.

BUT DO YOU DO YOU SEE THAT, MICHAEL? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE JUST WANT TO GET? BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE. THE BUILDINGS LOOK SMALL, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SEEING THEM AS A AS A SMALL BUILDING.

AND MADAM MAYOR WE CAN MAKE THE WEST ELEVATION SIGN SMALLER.

WE CAN MAKE THAT COMPLY. SO THAT'S THAT'S A COMPROMISE, RIGHT? LIKE LOOK AT IT. THERE WE GO. 500 IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH, I THINK SO. SO WHEN YOU SAY SMALL, I MEAN, WHERE ARE WE GOING? YEAH, WE CAN MAKE THAT ONE ON THE WEST 50. SO WE'D BE TAKING IT DOWN.

THAT'S FINE. TEN SQUARE FEET. YEAH, A LITTLE BIT.

BUT YOU KNOW, EVERY LITTLE BIT COUNTS. I GET IT. OKAY. THAT SHOULD WORK.

I DON'T THINK THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE ATTRACTING CUSTOMERS TO THAT BUILDING, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY GONE AROUND THAT BUILDING TO GET THERE, RIGHT? HOPEFULLY, YES. YOU'RE NOT LOST AND YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO FIND IT BEHIND THE BUILDING.

HOPEFULLY IF THEY MISS THAT BUILDING, THEY'RE IN TROUBLE.

YEAH. I MEAN, YOU YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN AROUND THE OTHER SIDE.

OKAY. 1111 RIGHT. PLUS YOU'RE COMING UP, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SOUTHERN SIDE IN THE CIRCLE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST LOCATIONS. PAGE 11. NOW WE'RE ON 11.

ALRIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. MAY WE MOVE ON TO PAGE 11, PLEASE? YES, PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS BUILDING HAS A BIT OF AN ODD SHAPE.

OF COURSE, WE KIND OF WENT OVER THAT BEFORE. SO ALEHOUSE SIGN IS I THINK, PROPORTIONATE TO THE BUILDING, BUT OKAY, TAKE A LOOK AND LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

ANOTHER. SO TWO, THREE. I GUESS THIS IS THREE SIGNS.

OKAY, SO WHICH SIDE OF THIS BUILDING IS SOUTH? BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF IT'S KIND OF ANGLED HERE, A LITTLE CURVY, I KNOW.

SO THE FRONT IS THE SOUTH OF COURSE. BUT YEAH, ON THE PLAN IT WOULD BE THIS.

SO THIS BROWN ONE IS THIS HERE? OH, OKAY. OH.

OH, OKAY. SORRY, I DIDN'T NOTICE THE THING ON THE BOTTOM THERE.

YEAH, THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. MY APOLOGIES.

ONE. THREE. TWO. ONE. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S THE SAME.

SO YOU NEED VARIANCES HERE FOR THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND SUM OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

ALL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. OH YEAH. ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND ALSO SOME HEIGHT IS A 23 FOOT ONE HERE. THAT'S CORRECT.

OH, AND THE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER FOUR ARE THE SAME SIGN.

SIGN A ONE. SO FOR FRONT SOUTH ELEVATION AND RIGHT EAST ELEVATION THEY ARE BOTH UNDERNEATH THE SAME SIGNS A ONE. I GUESS IT'S A CORNER IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S A OKAY.

IT'S THE SAME SIGN. YES. YEAH. OKAY. THE BUILDING HAS A CHAMFER TO ADDRESS THE CIRCLE, THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE THE SIGN IS, AND THEN IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF THAT. IT BUMPS INTO THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING THREE DIMENSIONAL IN TWO DIMENSIONS, RIGHT? THESE ARE ALL GREAT PLACES LIKE THE TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING. YOU GUYS HAVE GREAT BRANDS COMING.

MAY WE MOVE ON TO PAGE 12 PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO HERE WE'VE GOT THE WOLFGANG TURNING POINT.

THE WOLFGANG BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE BEST NAMES I'VE HEARD.

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OH OKAY. I'VE NOT BEEN TO ONE. WOLFGANG IS THREE SIGNS.

THE TURNING POINT IS FOUR AND. THE HEIGHT ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.

AND THEN ALSO THE TENANT ONE IN THE MIDDLE THERE ON THE NORTH.

IT'S GOOD FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT'S HIGH.

TENANT ONE. YEAH. FOR THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING IS KIND OF HIGH TO BEGIN WITH.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS IT LOOKS CENTERED. SO YEAH. AGAIN, THE MASS OF THE BUILDING IS PRETTY BIG.

SO THE SIGN ITSELF DOESN'T LOOK OVERLY LARGE, BUT IT'S STILL A VARIANCE.

IS THIS A BREAKFAST BRUNCH? OH OKAY I SEE.

SO IN TERMS OF VARIANCES ON BUILDING 11 ON ELEVATION ONE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE THE HEIGHT VARIANCES THAT ARE THERE.

WE'VE GOT FOUR OF THOSE ON ELEVATION ONE ELEVATION TWO.

THE REAR THE WOLF SIGN IS TOO HIGH. ELEVATION THREE TURNING POINT AND TENANT ONE EXCEED THE 22FT.

AND ELEVATION FOUR TURNING POINT SIGN. AND THEN IN TERMS OF AREA UP ON ELEVATION ONE THE THE WOLFGANG IS 50FT² BUT IT'S ONLY PERMITTED TO BE 37FT BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE OF THE WELL, THE WIDTH OF THE USE. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S A VARIANCE. LOVE AND HONEY IS ONLY ENTITLED TO 40FT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 20FT WIDE.

SO THAT'S GOT 50 THAT EXCEEDS IT. AND THEN ON ELEVATION THREE THE WOLFGANG SIGN IS 50FT² AND IT CAN ONLY BE ABOUT 37FT MAX. OKAY, I CONCUR. OKAY.

AND JUST LOOKS MASSIVE COMPARED TO THE OTHER SIGNS.

OKAY. WOLFGANG DOES A MASSIVE COMPARED TO THE OTHER SIGNS JUST BECAUSE THESE ARE SMALL FONTS, BUT. YEAH. AND WE'RE LIKE, WHAT DOES IT SAY? 13 OVER SQUARE FEET OVER ON WOLFGANG.

MICHAEL. 37. YEAH, IT'S DOUBLE 18 SIX. SO ROTATING SUSHI THING. OH, REALLY? SO MICHAEL UNDER WOLFGANG, WHAT IS THE EXCESS IN AREA? THE THE SO THE. WOLFGANG. IT'S 37. WOLFGANG IS 50FT² WORTH 37 MAX ON BOTH ELEVATION ONE AND ELEVATION TWO. ELEVATION THREE.

SORRY. WHY ARE THERE TWO REAR NORTH ELEVATIONS AND TWO RIGHT EAST ELEVATIONS AND NO SOUTH OR WEST. IS THERE ANY SIGNS ON THE SOUTH AND WEST? I'M SORRY. WHY ARE THERE TWO REAR NORTH ELEVATION ILLUSTRATIONS HERE AND TWO RIGHT EAST ELEVATION SIGNS. ON BUILDING 1100.

RIGHT. SO THE WAY THIS IS SET UP, THERE'S KIND OF A DRIVE THROUGH THE BACK.

IT'S REALLY THE. ON THE SHAPE OF IT. IT'S CONFUSING.

I THINK IT'S THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING AT THE NARROW PARTS.

THERE'S NO SIGNAGE THERE. NO, I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, SARAH, IT'S A TYPO.

TYPO? MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES SENSE. THE TWO AND FOUR ARE THE ENDS OF THE BUILDING, EAST AND WEST.

BUT THEY. ONE OF THEM SAYS NORTH. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY.

WELL, THAT'S THE SAME ISSUE ON THE NEXT PAGE.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO 13. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. ARE WE OKAY WITH WITH WITH THESE VARIANCES? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. WOLFGANG AT 3750 IS GOOD. YEAH 13 IT IS.

PAGE 13 IS HAVING A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. MAY WE MOVE ON TO PAGE 13.

YEAH. OKAY. LAST PAGE.

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SO IT'S THE HEIGHT FOR THE TRAINING. NICE ALLOY.

THE CORRECT ALLOY. PERSONAL TRAINING, IS IT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. THREE SIGNS IN THERE AND ONE OF THEM IS TOO HIGH.

SO THAT NEEDS THREE VARIANCES. AND FOR ALLOY IT'S IT'S THAT THAT EMBLEM THAT THEY HAVE THAT'S TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE.

YEAH. THAT'S PROBABLY TIPPING IT JUST LIKE THE WHOLE FOODS THAT THE LEAF OVER THE EYE.

RIGHT. YEAH. BUT THIS IS A LOT BIGGER. I CAN RUN THROUGH THE VARIANCES HERE. I CAN RUN THROUGH THE VARIANCES WHILE YOU'RE EVALUATING.

SO FIRST ON ON SIGN AREA. THE ALLOY SIGN IS IS 50FT² WHERE IT CAN ONLY BE LIKE AROUND 42.

THE TOW STICK. DID I PRONOUNCE THAT RIGHT? WHAT IS THAT, A TOAST? VERY EXOTIC. 50FT². WHERE? 42 MAX. HAIR HAIRCUT READS 45FT².

WHERE? 36 SQUARE FOOT MAX. AND TENANT ONE IS 50.

WHERE IT CAN ONLY BE 40. THAT'S ON ELEVATION ONE ON ELEVATION TWO.

TENANT ONE IS 45FT², WHERE IT CAN ONLY BE 39.

HAIR COLOR IS 50 INSTEAD OF 36. MAX TRUSTEE IS 50FT² INSTEAD OF 42FT² MAX.

ALLOY IS 50FT² WHICH EXCEEDS 42 SQUARE FOOT MAX, WHICH IS BASED ON THE FRONTAGE.

AND THEN I THINK YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT DEVIATIONS THAT ARE INDICATED IN RED ON.

THEY'RE SO MINOR, YOU KNOW, 23 INSTEAD OF 22FT.

YEP.

I THINK. I'VE GOT IT. THE THIRD YEAR I THINK IT LOOKS REASONABLE.

YEAH. YEAH. IT LOOKS PROPORTIONAL. PROPORTIONAL.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. ARE WE GOOD? I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING TO SPEAK.

HERE'S THE LAST PAGE OF OUR PACKAGE. SO I WOULD A REQUEST IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

WE DO CONCUR, AS I SAID BEFORE WITH MR. SULLIVAN'S COMMENTS, BUT ALSO WITH THE COMMENTS IN THE REPORT THAT EACH OF YOU NOW HAVE FROM MARCH 5TH, AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.

OF COURSE. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO REDUCE THE LIGHTING? AND AND AND THE IMPACT ON MONTGOMERY'S DARK SKIES AND ON OUR WILDLIFE.

IT'S KIND OF A VAGUE QUESTION, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU SAY IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REDUCE THE LIGHTING.

YEAH, PROBABLY NOT, BUT IT'S BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, OF COURSE, WITH THE DESIGN OF THE SIGNS THAT THE LIGHT IS COMING FROM THE BACK AND THERE ARE NO UP LIGHTS. SO. OKAY. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY LISTEN TO ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

WELL I MEAN, ONE THING IS TO HAVE YELLOW LIGHTS INSTEAD OF WHITE OR YELLOW OR RED LIGHTS.

I MEAN, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH BUG LIGHTS, THAT YELLOW BUG LIGHTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ON THERE.

THE UNFORTUNATE PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTING PACKAGE IS THAT THE TENANTS HAVE A SET LIGHTING THAT THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO OCCUPY THE PREMISES. SO WHILE THAT IS OF COURSE AN ADMIRABLE THING, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE NO IMPACT OF LIGHTING, BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TENANTS. SO I WOULD SAY, RESPECTFULLY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE EVERY POSSIBLE EFFORT TO TAKE ALL ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS INTO EFFECT. BUT WHEN THE TENANT SAYS WE NEED A CERTAIN LIGHTING PACKAGE OR WE'RE NOT COMING, THEN ECONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T BECOME VERY VIABLE.

SO I WOULD SAY WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO THE EXTENT THAT'S A GOAL, TO MAKE IT AS FRIENDLY TO THE ENVIRONMENT AS POSSIBLE.

YEAH. BUT I WOULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THE ACTUAL LIGHTING PACKAGE WE HAVE IN PLACE.

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IT'S IT'S VERY, VERY HARD ON WILDLIFE. AND I WAS FIRST APPOINTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE YEAR 2002, AND THERE WERE, I THINK, FIVE OF US NEW MEMBERS AND FOR CONTINUING MEMBERS WHO TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO TELL US WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES WERE ON THE PLANNING BOARD THAT WE MIGHT NOT KNOW.

AND ONE OF THEM WAS TO PROTECT MONTGOMERY'S DARK SKIES.

AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT EVER SINCE. WHEN WHEN I'M WHEN I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND WHEN I'VE NOT BEEN ON THE PLANNING BOARD, I'VE TRIED TO GET IT INTO THE MEMOS THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION WRITES.

IT'S IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR WILDLIFE AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE THE SKY AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THE THE AIRPORT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS AN ISSUE FOR VISIBILITY FOR PLANES. I, I DON'T FLY, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT IT'S I KNOW, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN TOWN GO TO OPEN SPACE TO SEE THE SKY AT NIGHT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, TAKE THEIR TELESCOPES AND LOOK UP AND, AND SOME HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT ALWAYS THAT FAR FROM HERE.

OUR LARGEST PRESERVE IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD. CHERRY BROOK PRESERVE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THAT.

AND I'M SURE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW EITHER, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

UNDERSTOOD. AND OF COURSE, IMPORTANT ASPECT OF DEVELOPMENT IS BLENDING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED INTO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN, UNFORTUNATELY, IS TO HAVE A THRIVING ECONOMIC COMMUNITY.

WE DO NEED THE SIGNS TO SHOW DIRECTIONALLY HOW TO GET TO THE RESTAURANTS AND ALSO THE STORES AND THE BUSINESSES INSIDE.

THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES SIGNS THAT ARE LIT AT NIGHT, AND AS MUCH AS I'M SURE WE'D LIKE TO LIMIT THAT IMPACT GREATLY, THEN WE'D BE LIMITING THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NOT PERHAPS EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO THE ENVIRONMENT.

BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE A THRIVING CENTER, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME LIGHTS.

SO WE'LL MAKE OUR BEST EFFORTS, OF COURSE, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY PROMISE TO CHANGE THE COLOR BECAUSE IT'S REALLY VERY MUCH DRIVEN BY THE TENANTS.

I GET THAT THEY HAVE THEIR THEIR OWN LOGOS AND THEIR OWN IMAGE, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

AND, AND WE'RE ALL HERE TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE GO TO OUR TENANT MEETINGS. OF COURSE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAD A QUICK ONE ABOUT THE LIGHTING.

YOU MENTIONED THE LIGHTING PACKAGE FOR THE SIGNS ON THE BUILDINGS, OBVIOUSLY. AND MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT? PARKING LOT HAS TO BE LIT SAFELY, OF COURSE, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH AND WELFARE.

OKAY, THAT'S NOT A VARIANCE. WE ADDRESSED THAT WHEN WE WENT TO THE FIRST SITE PLAN.

OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S GOING TO BE LIT UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF HAVE PEOPLE WALKING TO THEIR CARS AT NIGHT. IT'S GOT TO BE SAFE.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. AND WHAT HOURS WILL THE THE LIGHTS BE TURNED OFF? WHICH LIGHTS ARE YOU REFERRING TO? ANY ANY LIGHTS OR OR TURN DOWN.

MAYBE LATE AT NIGHT. IT'S LIKELY THAT THERE'LL BE DUSK TO DAWN.

AND MAYBE EVEN BEFORE. BEFORE THAT A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. THEY'RE NORMALLY 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M..

YEAH. IT WILL BE LIT UP DUSK TO DAWN. I'M SORRY.

OUR NORMAL OPERATING HOURS ARE 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M., AND YOU TURN OFF THE LIGHTS AT TEN.

IT JUST IT'S GOING TO VARY ON DIFFERENT OPERATING HOURS.

I MEAN BUT AND DIFFERENT FRIDAY NIGHTS, PROBABLY MAYBE 11 P.M.

BUT NO, IT'LL BE ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER OPERATIONS CLOSE.

I SEE. BUT THE. BUT THE BUILDING, THE LIGHT ON THE SIGNS AND ALL WOULD WOULD BE DICTATED BY THE. OR IS RUN OR MANAGED BY THE TENANT. RIGHT? CORRECT. JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY THE THE LIGHTING WOULD BE TURNED DOWN TO A SECURITY LIGHTING.

IT'S YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT SHUTTING THE LIGHTS OFF. NO, NO, NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD'S EXPECTATIONS ARE,

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NO, NO, PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT THE THE SIGNS ARE NOT PART OF THE SECURITY PACKAGE.

RIGHT. SO THAT WILL THERE WILL BE IN A SEPARATE CIRCUIT AND THEY WILL BE TURNED OFF INDIVIDUALLY BY STORES WHEN THEY CLOSE, CORRECT? YES. THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. I WANTED TO CHECK THE RESTAURANTS ARE GOING TO CLOSE BY 11.

IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE ZONING AND HOURS AND WHAT EVERYBODY APPLIES FOR WITH THEIR OWN PERMITS AND OPERATIONS AND CO.

WANTED BECAUSE THE HOURS WILL END UP IN THE MINUTES.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO CLOSE AT 11.

SO IT'LL. AND DO THEY STAY OPEN? THEY'LL COMPLY WITH ALL THE LOCAL.

WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES.

RIGHT. NOT ADD ANY ADDITIONAL LIMITS ON THE TIME.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO USE THE MIC AGAIN. SORRY, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET RECORDED.

SORRY MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S FINE. I SAID WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH MONTGOMERY'S MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES, OKAY? WE'RE NOT ASKING TO GO MORE OR LESS THAN THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION MORE THAN THE TOWN ALREADY LIMITS.

OKAY. I RECENTLY SPOKE WITH A YOUNG MAN WHO GREW UP IN MONTGOMERY, AND HE SAID ONLY TWICE IN HIS LIFE HAD HE SEEN THE MILKY WAY. AND NEITHER OF THOSE TIMES IN MONTGOMERY, OF COURSE.

OH, THAT'S SAD TO HEAR. ARE WE DOING? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MR. GOLDSTEIN. IN MR. SULLIVAN'S MEMO, HE'S GOT SEVERAL TABLES WHERE HE IDENTIFIES SIGN AREA AND WEATHER VARIANCES ARE NEEDED. HE ALSO HAS A CHART FOR.

THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND WEATHER VARIANCE. SO IS IT YOUR POSITION THAT YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THESE CHARTS BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY.

NOW THE SIGNS FOR BUILDING 100 400. THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE BUILDING NUMBERS AND THEY IDENTIFY WHETHER THEY NEED A VARIANCE OR NOT. SO IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ARE SEEKING? BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY NOW THAT KAREN, LET ME JUST LET ME JUST JUMP IN HERE.

YEAH. ALL THOSE TABLES ARE OBSOLETE AFTER OUR REVIEW TODAY.

OKAY. THE TABLES REGARDING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND THE HEIGHT AND THE AREA ARE OBSOLETE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PUT ON THE RECORD TONIGHT. IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE NOW. SO KAREN, LET ME GO THROUGH THE HE'S. RIGHT. I WANT TO SAY WHY THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S ON US.

WE RECEIVED THIS MEMO ON FRIDAY OVER THE WEEKEND.

JESS HAD HER ASSIGNED TEAM REVISED AND CHANGED A LOT OF WHAT MOST OF WHAT IS IN THE SIGNED PACKAGE.

SO MUCH OF THE MEMO WAS MOOTED BY WHAT WE SUBMITTED.

THAT'S WHY WHEN I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE MEMO, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA NOT TO, BUT INSTEAD TO GO THROUGH THE PAGES ONE BY ONE.

SO THOSE ARE THE SIGNED VARIANCES WE'RE SEEKING BASED ON WHAT WE SUBMITTED.

AND THEN ALONG WITH MICHAEL'S REVIEW OF THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, BECAUSE A COUPLE THAT WE SAID WERE VARIANCES WERE MADE WORSE BY THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE CALCULATION INCORRECT ON THE FRONTAGE.

SO WE DIDN'T HIT ALL OF THEM. BUT IN TONIGHT'S REVIEW, WE HIT ALL OF THEM.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN I WILL BE HONEST.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I HEARD OR MICHAEL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE ALL OF HIS CHANGES THE 40 EXTRA VARIANCES THAT HE SAID HE'S IDENTIFIED NOW. SO MY QUESTION FOR THE BOARD IS, ARE YOU PLANNING TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT? BECAUSE ORDINARILY I WOULD TRY AND READ BACK TO YOU WHAT ALL THE CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE.

OH MY GOODNESS. I CANNOT DO THAT TONIGHT. AND ALSO, IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON VOTING, THEN I'M GOING TO ASK MICHAEL TO AGAIN IDENTIFY WHAT ADDITIONAL VARIANCES WOULD BE NEEDED BECAUSE.

I DID NOT HEAR ALL THOSE ADDITIONAL VARIANCES, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM.

WE WENT THROUGH THESE PAGES, BUT SINCE ALL THESE CHARTS NOW IN THE REVIEW MEMO ARE NO LONGER VALID, OBSOLETE, OBSOLETE. ORDINARILY, A RESOLUTION WOULD IDENTIFY THESE SIGNS IN SOME FASHION, THE WAY THEY ARE IN THE MEMO. INSTEAD OF JUST TYING THEM TO THESE SHEETS TO SAY, OKAY, BUILDING 100 ELEVATIONS,

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I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS CONTROVERSIAL HERE.

I MEAN, I KNOW WE WANT TO DOCUMENT EVERY SPECIFIC THING, RIGHT? TALKING ABOUT 40 MORE VARIANCES, RIGHT? WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT SUMMARY CHARTS THAT ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE BECAUSE THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.

ARE WE ALSO TALKING THINGS THAT MIGHT BE IN MICHAEL'S LETTER THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT? THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. THAT IS ONLY MICHAEL CAN TELL US THAT.

NO, IT WOULDN'T BE A POSSIBILITY. YEAH, I THINK WE COVERED EVERYTHING.

THERE WERE THINGS IN HERE THAT YOU DIDN'T WE DIDN'T ADDRESS BECAUSE THERE WERE A RELIEF THAT WAS REQUIRED.

BUT IT WASN'T A RESULT. YOU WEREN'T. YOU DIDN'T DO ANY CHANGES.

AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE A COMMENT IN HERE. CORRECT. RIGHT.

SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE I CAN SEE EVERYTHING RIGHT.

AND I WAS GONNA SAY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD ADDRESSED, WHICH WAS REALLY MORE OF A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT FOR EXAMPLE, WE ADDED THE SHEET WITH THE TENANTS ON REQUIREMENTS, AMOUNT OF REQUIREMENTS, THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS. SO YOU'VE GOT, I THINK PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT.

KAREN, MAYBE I'M WRONG IS TO LOOK AT THE REPORT IN CONJUNCTION WITH EXHIBIT A2 AND.

WE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT WHEN MICHAEL ENDS UP PUTTING IN THE REPORT WOULD BE THE VARIANCES AND THE CONDITIONS WE WOULD COMPLY WITH.

UNDERSTOOD. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AND THAT MAY JUST BE ME, BUT I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTOOD OR HEARD THE 40 EXTRA VARIANCES THAT ARE NEEDED NOW. YOU IDENTIFIED YOU SAID THERE'S 40 MORE VARIANCES.

I DON'T THINK THERE. WELL IT WASN'T EXACTLY IT WAS ROUGHLY 40.

BUT I MEAN BUT IN THAT. BUT I THOUGHT THAT I IDENTIFIED EVERY ONE THAT WAS ON THE SHEET AS WE WENT THROUGH THEM.

WHAT WAS ON THE SHEETS CALLED THEM OUT SO IT WOULD BE ON THE RECORDING? YEAH, I CALLED THEM OUT SO THEY'D BE ON THE RECORDING. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I MEAN, IF WHAT WE'RE IF WHAT THE BOARD SAYING MAKES SENSE TO THEM.

AND WE CAN DOCUMENT THE EXACT SUBSECTIONS AND SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE AND WHICH ELEVATION I, I THINK THAT I TRY TO GO THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS AS SYSTEMATICALLY AS I COULD WITH THE, WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCE WITH THE MEMO WITH IT.

RIGHT. BUT IT, IF IT WERE MEMORIALIZED IN A, IN A REPORT, IT WOULD BE EVEN CLEARER.

KAREN, ARE YOU NOT COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING FORWARD? THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. THEN THEN RATHER THAN OUR NORMAL WAY OF PROCEEDING WHERE I'D START READING BACK TO YOU, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TONIGHT.

IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE APPROVING NOW THE VARIANCES AS IDENTIFIED BY BOUTTE, DON'T FORGET TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.

OH GOOD POINT. SORRY, SORRY. YES. AND THEN I ALSO JUST WANT TO ADD, BECAUSE I HAD A NOTE ON THIS, OF COURSE, BECAUSE IT WAS SO LONG AGO. WE STILL HAVE THE SINE PACKAGE FOR THE MODEL.

WE DO KNOW THOSE CONDITIONS. IT'S EVERYTHING AS SUBMITTED MINUS THE ONE SINE THAT WAS TOO BIG.

AND THEN THE MODEL LOCATION AND THEN THE MODEL PARKING.

SO IT WOULD BE ALL OF THEM ALONG WITH AMENDED PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN AND THEN THE VARIANCES.

SO IT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF RELIEF. CORRECT. DO YOU WANT TO OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT NOW? YES. YES. PEOPLE HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING OUT HERE FOR TODAY.

IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANT TO COME FORWARD WITH ANY COMMENTS? OBSERVATIONS? PLEASE. OH. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JEREMIAH OBERT.

I AM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG 518 THE NEIGHBORS, AS WE WERE REFERRED TO BEFORE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LOOKING OUT FOR THE DARK SKIES THAT IS A BIG ISSUE WITH US.

THANK YOU, MR. SULLIVAN. SO MUCH FOR YOUR DIRECT APPROACH AND NO NONSENSE STYLE.

WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND WATCHING YOU OPERATE AND SAFEGUARD EVERYTHING.

MAKE SURE ORDINANCES ARE MET. WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO CONTINUE OUR ONGOING SUPPORT SINCE THIS PROJECT'S INCEPTION, PROBABLY 24 YEARS AGO. ORIGINALLY WORKING WITH MADISON MARQUETTE, INKING OUT SOME AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE DEVELOPER SINCE JC HAD TAKEN OVER. MR. GOLDMAN HAD STATED ON RECORD IN FRONT OF THIS FINE COUNCIL, MYSELF AND OUR NEIGHBORS,

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IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, AS MR. GOLDSTEIN JUST POINTED OUT, AND WE NEED TO REVITALIZE THESE AGREEMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ADHERED TO. AS MR. GOLDSTEIN HAD SAID A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN SJC VENTURES HAD TAKEN OVER THIS PROJECT.

AUGUST WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD COMMUNICATION UNTIL FRIDAY.

WE'VE BEEN QUITE PATIENT, SO WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES IF THE BOARD.

AND IT PLEASES YOU. WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE COPIES OF THESE AGREEMENTS, AS IT DOES PERTAIN TO FINAL APPROVALS DOWN THE ROAD.

WE HAD TO COME OUT BECAUSE WE HADN'T HAD COMMUNICATION AND BECAUSE THEY HADN'T RESPOND TO OUR ATTORNEY THAT WE HAD TO RETAIN BECAUSE OF A LACK OF COMMUNICATION.

SO I WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME ANY FURTHER. BUT MY NEIGHBORS ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO JOIN ME.

PRETTY MUCH AGREE AND ALSO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT AND ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REDUCTION OF THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THE THREE ROADS THAT IT WILL PROVIDE, AS WELL AS THE SIGNAGE AND AVAILABILITY OF WALKING DISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A GROCERY STORE.

IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL PROJECT AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU FOLKS IN THE FUTURE.

AS WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF YOU IN THE PAST, IT WAS FAMILIAR FACES HERE AS WELL AS A LOT OF NEW ONES, AND IT'S VERY NICE TO FINALLY MEET YOU IN PERSON, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

MY NEIGHBORS MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT AND DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU FOLKS SERVE, AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PURPOSE. AND THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOE LLORENTE. I LIVE AT 935 518.

I'M WITH JEREMIAH. NEIGHBORS JUST, YOU KNOW, AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, SIR.

I JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN, AND I APOLOGIZE, SIR.

WE DIDN'T SWEAR YOU IN. I WAS A LITTLE DISTRACTED.

SIR, DO YOU. AND THAT'S FINE. I'M SURE YOU YEAH.

SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY. I SWEAR AND AFFIRM THAT EVERYTHING THAT I HAD SUBMITTED IS TRUE.

CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND, SIR, IF YOU WILL MAKE THE SAME OATH TO US, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL? YES. THANK YOU, I WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.

JUST, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING ON JEREMIAH'S COMMENTS, FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

WE JUST NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION WITH WITH DEVELOPERS.

I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES, A NUMBER OF A NUMBER OF PROJECTS ESSENTIALLY THAT ARE GOING ON IN OUR HOMESTEADS INDIVIDUALLY.

AND WE NEED, YOU KNOW, BETTER COMMUNICATION IN TERMS OF TIMELINE AND ALSO JUST WHEN WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE ON OR AROUND OUR PROPERTIES, WE'D LIKE TO BE INFORMED, WE'D LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEY'RE COMING, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE AMOUNT OF COMMUNICATION OUT OF THAT.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WHERE WORK HAS HAPPENED AND THEN WE HAVE TO SORT OF DEAL WITH IT AFTER THE FACT AND TALK IT THROUGH.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FULLY SUPPORTIVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK THROUGH ANY ISSUES, BUT WE NEED, WE NEED COMMUNICATION.

YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMPARO. MY HUSBAND, ALAN SPIELHOLZ.

WE LIVE AT 961. AND MA'AM, I'LL ASK YOU THE SAME.

TAKE THE SAME OATH. YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL.

YES. THANK YOU. WE TOTALLY SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE BEEN HERE 31 YEARS, SO WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT.

AND YEAH, WE HAVE NOT HAD COMMUNICATION AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE FEEL LEFT OUT AND MY BIG ISSUE IS THE FENCE WAS PUT ON TOP OF A MOUNT.

IT WAS NOT LEVELED AND IT, IT IS ALL CURVED DOWN.

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SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS RAVI RAINA.

AND DO YOU LIVE IN MONTGOMERY? YES, ALREADY. AND DO YOU SWEAR? FIVE FIVE, ROUTE 518. OKAY. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO, YEAH, BASICALLY, YOU WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID.

COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE THE FENCE.

WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE CREW WAS GOING TO COME IN ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY, AND THEY JUST CAME PUT UP THE FENCE.

AND EVEN AFTER MY TALKING TO THE MANAGER ON THE SIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE TWO FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

IT JUST CAME ON THE PROPERTY LINE, HARDLY TWO INCHES BEYOND IT.

SO WE HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, MORE COMMUNICATIVE AS TO WHEN THE CREWS ARE GOING TO COME.

WHEN IS WHEN ARE THINGS GOING TO HAPPEN? AND AMPLE TIME SHOULD BE GIVEN TO US TO PLAN.

BECAUSE NOW THERE'S A BIG ISSUE OF THE SEWER CONNECTION, HOOKING UP THE SEWER.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME FOR EVERY HOUSEHOLD TO BE, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE HOUSE, GET THAT THING DONE, REMOVE THE SEPTIC, OLD SEPTIC SYSTEMS. SO IF THIS IS INFORMED TO US WELL AHEAD IN TIME, WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HEY EVERYONE, MY NAME IS AARON NORRIS. I AFFIRM THAT I'M TELLING THE TRUTH.

OKAY. I GREW UP IN MONTGOMERY. I'M A MORE RECENT HOMEOWNER ON THE STRETCH OF 518.

SIMILARLY, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FOLKS, PRIOR COMMUNICATION WOULD BE WONDERFUL IN TERMS OF KNOWING UPDATES REGARDING TIMING OF THE PROPOSED PROJECTS.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL AND I WOULD BE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF ANY EFFORTS TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT ON.

518 PARTICULARLY FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, KNOWING THAT THE CROSSWALK HAS RECENTLY BEEN INTRODUCED NEARER TO THE INTERSECTION OF 206.

AND I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S SAFE FOR FOLKS TO KEEP WALKING WITH CARS GOING AS SWIFTLY AS THEY DO.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AARON. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SPELL YOUR OVER HERE? CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME? S N O R R I S, THANK YOU.

IS THAT THE END? ANYBODY ELSE? I ACTUALLY JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND ASSURE ALL OF YOU.

I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A LACK OF COMMUNICATIONS GOING ON.

AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU WERE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST THE STAFF MAKES SURE THAT I'M AWARE OF IT.

AND I'LL MAKE SURE IF THERE IS THIS THIS IS A BIG GAP THAT I'M HEARING AND THAT THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING.

AGAIN, HEARING ABOUT A FENCE WHICH WENT IN WITHOUT THE NEIGHBORS KNOWING.

I THINK AS I'VE TALKED TO JEFF MANY TIMES AND HE WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BETTER.

MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO ALSO EXPRESS THAT OUR SORROW FOR THAT LACK OF COMMUNICATION, CLEARLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEEK AND TO ME AS WELL, A LOT OF THAT COULD ALSO BE IMPROVED.

SO WE'LL MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNICATION IS BETTER.

AND I SPOKE TO A COUPLE PEOPLE EARLIER TONIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO REALLY GET WORKING ON THAT AS THE PROJECT GETS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO FINISHING.

SO THANK YOU. AND WE APOLOGIZE. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, SO THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. YEP. SECOND.

I HAD A. DISCUSSION.

COMMENTS ADDRESSED. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU LIKE, WE COULD SUMMARIZE.

I THINK JUST VERY BRIEFLY WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT.

REQUEST FOR VARIANCES WHICH WE BELIEVE SATISFY TOWNSHIP OF MONTGOMERY ZONING CODE ALONG WITH THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY MUNICIPAL LAND USE ACT.

ALL THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT CLEARLY PROVIDED VERY STRONG EVIDENCE, WE BELIEVE, FOR THE THREE TYPES OF VARIANCES FOR THE MODEL HOME THE LOCATION,

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AND YOU'VE HEARD NO DETRIMENT AT ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATIONS.

EVERYTHING WAS OF BENEFIT AS REQUIRED BY THE FLEXIBLE C VARIANCE UNDER THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE ACT.

WE WOULD ASK THAT THE CASE GO IN AS WE APPLIED.

WE WOULD ASK FOR A VOTE TONIGHT AND FOR THE VARIANCES.

AND I GUESS I WOULD RESPECTFULLY TURN IT OVER TO MISS CASEY AS FAR AS HOW YOU WANT TO DO THE VOTE, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR THE MODEL AS ONE, I GUESS, PART OF VARIANCES SIGNAGE AND THEN THE LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE PACKAGE FOR THE RETAIL.

SAY THAT AGAIN, MR. GOLDSTEIN. SO YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE BULK VARIANCES FOR THE MODEL HOME AND THE SALES CENTER.

AND WE COULD DO IT ALL. ONE. OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO A SEPARATE VOTE.

I WOULD DEFER TO THE BOARD, BUT NOW THAT THE CASE IS IN AND WENT IN THE WAY IT DID, I WOULD SAY JUST ONE RESOLUTION.

PROBABLY EASY ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF JUST TO RUN THROUGH THE CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE MODEL HOME SALES CENTER, SO ALL THE SIGNS DESIGNATED AS NUMBER EIGHT ON EXHIBIT A1 WILL BE REMOVED.

CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE 120 DAYS FROM ISSUANCE OF SIGNED PERMITS TO REMOVE ALL THE SIGNAGE FOR THE MODEL HOME, THE SALES CENTER AND THE RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZE.

SO I JUST ASK FROM THE TIME THE SIGNS ARE INSTALLED, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET PERMITS AND THERE'LL BE A GAP BETWEEN THE TIME THE PERMITS ARE OBTAINED AND THEN THE SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY READY.

SO IF WE COULD DO IT FROM THE TIME THE SIGNS ARE IN, THERE COULD BE A GAP UP TO, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 WEEKS FROM THE FROM THE TIME WE GET THE PERMITS.

VERSUS OKAY, SO IT'LL BE FROM WHEN THE SIGNAGE IS INSTALLED.

OKAY. GOT IT. AFTER OBTAINING PERMIT. YEAH. RIGHT.

WELL, THEN THEY'LL SELL OUT AND TAKE IT DOWN EARLY, RIGHT.

SO YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I BELIEVE YOUR CLIENT ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION OF THE MODEL HOME. NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE READY.

YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS ANY COMMENT ON THAT.

THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING. I'M WAITING FOR LORI.

WE COULD CHECK WITH ANY OF THE PRIOR APPROVALS FOR THAT.

I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SOME OF THE STAFF TO IDENTIFY IF THERE WAS ANY ANYTHING ON NOT PLANNING BOARD SIDE BECAUSE THIS NEEDED TO BE DONE TONIGHT, BUT ON THE. THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TONIGHT, BUT THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN THEN THEN PERHAPS THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT RELIEF THAT THE BOARD WOULD GRANT TONIGHT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.

I THINK IF THE BOARD SEATS THAT TO GRANT A VARIANCE, THEN THE MODEL HOME STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION CODE OFFICIAL TO APPLY FOR PERMITS, WHICH WE COULDN'T GET WITHOUT THE VARIANCE ANYWAY.

BUT IF WE GET THE VARIANCE, THEN IT STILL HAS TO BE SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING PERMITS, WHICH PROBABLY TAKES LONGER THAN JUST THE TIME WITHIN WHICH TO PUBLISH AND GET THE RESOLUTION IN THE PAPER. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IS BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS CONCERN FROM THE BOARD THAT SOME LEVEL OF COMPLETION OF THE PROMENADE, MEANING THE YES.

COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. THE RETAIL HAD TO BE DONE BEFORE YOUR CLIENT NOW BEGAN CONSTRUCTION ON THE MODEL HOME SALES CENTER BECAUSE HAVING CONSTRUCTED, OF COURSE THEY WANT TO OPEN IT, THEN THEY DIDN'T BUILD IT JUST TO LET IT SIT THERE A WHILE THE PROJECT CATCHES UP.

AND I DO WANT TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THAT WE NEED SOME SOME, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? I'M LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF ASSURANCE THAT THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AT THE PROMENADE BEFORE WE START THE.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT LORI. WELL, THERE'S A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT THAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THAT TALKS ABOUT TIMING AND WHEN THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN.

SO TO KAREN'S POINT ABOUT PRIOR APPROVALS BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT WILL ISSUE THE PERMIT, THAT'S ALL STILL IN PLACE. THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT PROCESS AND THAT AND ADHERENCE TO THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.

THERE WAS A LENGTHY. THE GUARDRAILS FOR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT PROMENADE WILL BE DONE BEFORE THE HOUSING.

MODEL HOME IS GOING TO BE WELL AND THAT'S. MADAM MAYOR, I'M BEING REMINDED BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG FROM THE CLIENT.

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SURE. OKAY. POST COMPLETION DATE. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE AND THE REMAINING VARIANCES GO IF THE BOARD WANTS TO TAKE A VOTE AND IF YOUR VOTE IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, THEN I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY IT'S THOSE VARIANCES AS IDENTIFIED.

IF ANY OF THOSE EXHIBITS WELL, AS, AS, AS REVIEWED BY THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMENTS FROM OUR PLANNER.

YEAH. AND I GUESS THOSE COMMENTS IN THE REVIEW MEMO, I'M NOT SURE.

SOME, I GUESS ARE STILL APPLICABLE. MOST OF THEM THOUGH.

WITH RESPECT, THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN NEGATED BECAUSE OF.

WHATEVER. AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT ARE STILL THERE.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION. OKAY, I'M GOING TO SIFT THROUGH IT.

I'M GOING TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE LIST. AND WE'LL SHARE IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS? MR.. GOLDSTEIN.

WITH RESPECT TO THE MODEL HOME SALES CENTER? WE'VE GOT ALL SIGNS DESIGNATED AS NUMBER EIGHT ON EXHIBIT A1 WILL BE REMOVED.

YOUR CLIENT'S GOT 120 DAYS FROM WHEN THEY PUT THEIR SIGNS IN, WHICH WILL ALL NEED SIGN PERMITS.

FOR THE MODEL HOMES, THE SALES CENTER FOR REMOVAL OF THOSE SIGNS.

SO THEY'VE GOT 120 DAYS FROM WHEN THOSE SIGNS GO IN THE GROUND TO REMOVE THEM ALL.

WERE THERE ANY OTHER WELL CONDITIONS OR APPROVALS, SOMETHING ELSE YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? NO. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO NOW IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.

VOTING WOULD BE BASED ON THE STATEMENT YOU JUST CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. THOSE WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

CAN I MAKE IT AGAIN? YES. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR VARIANCES FOR THE SITE.

I MEAN, FOR THE MAJOR SITE PLAN. FOR SIGNAGE AND MODEL HOME.

PLUS THE OTHER VARIANCES FOR THE SIGNAGE BASED ON THE PRESENTATION TODAY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, CONCURRENCE OF THE PLANNER AS WELL. ON COMING UP WITH A CONSOLIDATED LIST AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE THE BASIS. OKAY. SO MOVED.

SECOND. PANEL. YES. YES.

YES. YES. ROBERT. CIALDINI. YES. SINGH AND GLOCKNER.

YES. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE THIS EVENING.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE PROJECT COMING TOGETHER. BETTER COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. IT WAS A LONG NIGHT, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. PLEASE. WE WILL DO OUR BEST. WHEN IS THE WHOLE FOODS OPENING? MY WIFE WANTS TO KNOW THIS. JUST A MOMENT. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE.

A COUPLE MORE MINUTES. EXCUSE ME. PLEASE. OH, YEAH.

I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. OH, DANG.

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I'LL MAKE A I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 9TH TO THE SECOND.

SECOND. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. SING! YES. AND.

YES. THANK YOU. AND FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. 23 ORCHARD ROAD REDEVELOPMENT AND PRINCETON ORTHOPEDICS AND AOP OPERATING LLC.

[VII. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]

SITE PLAN IS ON APRIL 7TH AND APRIL 13TH IS ONCE AGAIN THE PLANNING BOARD.

I MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND.

OKAY. MEETING IS CLOSED. TEN 1223. 33 ORCHARD.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.