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RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD. REGULAR MEETING OF DECEMBER 8TH, 2025 AT 7 P.M. AND WE WILL CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M.
HOPEFULLY THAT SOONER. AND THE TIME IS 702. UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT, NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. ROLL CALL PLEASE. HERE, HERE. BATTLE. BLODGETT.
ROBERTS. HERE. SINGH. HERE. TAYLOR. TODD. HERE. LOFFLER. KHAN. HERE. DARJI. PRESENT. AND WE HAVE MARY BETH STARKEY. AND WE HAVE KAREN, CASEY AND KAREN. I'M SO SORRY, KAREN. OKAY.
THANK YOU. PLEASE JOIN ME IN SALUTE TO THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE PUBLIC
[III. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]
PARTICIPATION FOR MEETING. I'M SORRY FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS AND OR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS TO NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES. AND IF YOU'RE PROVIDING COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR FOR AN APPLICATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. SPELL YOUR LAST NAME. IF YOU PREFER NOT TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE ADVISE WHICH WHICH MUNICIPALITY YOU LIVE IN. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, ACTUALLY WE HAVE ME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE A STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO READ. I HAD PROMISED A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN.SO HERE WE GO. AT LAST THURSDAY'S TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING, TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY WENDY WENDY QUIROGA PROVIDED AN UPDATE THAT I WILL READ. REGARDING OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN. BECAUSE THERE WERE OBJECTIONS TO THE PLAN. THE TOWNSHIP WAS SCHEDULED FOR MEDIATION SESSION. THE SESSION WITH THE PROGRAM WAS HELD VIA ZOOM. AT THE SESSION, EVERY PARTY INTRODUCED THEMSELVES AND EVERYBODY WAS IMMEDIATELY PUT INTO BREAKOUT ROOMS. TOWNSHIP REPRESENTATIVES WERE NEVER IN CONTACT WITH THE PARTIES THAT OBJECTED TO OUR PLAN.
EVERYTHING SAID DURING THE MEDIATION PROCESS IS CONFIDENTIAL, AND NONE OF THE PARTIES HEARD WHAT THE OTHERS SAID. AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE MEDIATION SESSION, THE TOWNSHIP FORMALLY NOTIFIED THE PROGRAM AND ALL INTERESTED PARTIES THAT THE TOWNSHIP WILL BE AMENDING ITS PLAN. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE TOWNSHIP'S FIRST PRIORITY TO EXTEND THE DEED RESTRICTION CONTROLS ON AS MANY, IF NOT ALL, EXISTING AFFORDABLE UNITS. EXTENDING THE CONTROLS ON THE EXISTING UNITS IS AN EXTREME BENEFIT TO OUR EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTS, AND TO THE RESIDENTS WHO GET THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THIS HOUSING. THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE HAS MADE IT A PRIORITY NOT TO LOSE, OR TO NOT LOSE CREDITS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN TOWN. TOWNSHIP HAS A REVISED COMPLIANCE PLAN BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP WAS ABLE TO REACH A CONSENSUS WITH THE OWNER OF PIKE RUN FOR AN EXTENSION OF AT LEAST 96 UNITS. WITH THESE 96 UNITS, THE TOWNSHIP HAS A COMPLIANT PLAN, SO NO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. BECAUSE THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES IN THE FIRST MEDIATION SESSION. ANOTHER SESSION HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 19TH. AN AMENDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN WILL BE BEFORE THIS BOARD, ONCE APPROVAL FROM THE PROGRAM IS GRANTED AND IT IS ANTICIPATED IT WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITHIN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF 2026. OKAY, NEXT ITEM. WE HAVE
[IV. RESOLUTIONS]
TWO RESOLUTIONS. FIRST ONE IS CASE PB OH 325, THE ECON DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FOR BLOCK 1401, LOT TWO. IT WAS A GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS DISMISSED DUE TO LACK OF JURISDICTION. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MEMORIALIZE? SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MANI. YES. ROBERTS. YES. YES. YES, YES. THANK YOU. NEXT RESOLUTION IS CASE PB OH 720 THE HAVEN AT PRINCETON LLC, BLOCK 37 003, LOT SEVEN. IT'S FOR 60 RIVER ROAD, WHICH IS COUNTY ROAD. I'M SORRY. COUNTY ROUTE 605. THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF PRELIMINARY[00:05:02]
AND FINAL. FINAL MAJOR SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN. APPROVAL MOVED TO NOVEMBER 1ST, 2026. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MEMORIALIZE? SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE, SIR. YES, ROBERTS? YES. THANKS. YES. TAYLOR. TODD. YES. COUN. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU.[V. STORMWATER MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT PUBLIC HEARING]
NEXT ITEM IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT DATED DECEMBER 2025.AND FOR THAT WE HAVE OUR STAFF PRESENTATION BY MR. RAKESH. YOU MUST HEAR YOU. GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE TIME. YEAH. I'M. I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH MARYBETH STRYJEWSKI FROM MY OFFICE. MARYBETH IS IS REALLY THE THE BRAINS BEHIND MOST OF MY WORK.
SO YOU GUYS GET TO GET A GLIMPSE BEHIND THE CURTAIN TODAY. SO JUST WANT TO PRESENT OUR DRAFT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE DID ACTUALLY START THIS PLAN A FEW YEARS AGO DURING AN AUDIT OF OUR OUR ANNUAL AUDIT OF OUR STORMWATER. THE DEP NOTED THAT OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS FROM 2007, AND IT NEEDED TO TO BE UPDATED AND READOPTED, WHICH WE DID DO. AT LEAST WE WE WE UPDATED IT A FEW YEARS AGO, AND WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWNSHIP, FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, FROM LANDMARKS, FROM A LOT OF FOLKS.
WE WE SOUGHT FEEDBACK FROM FROM AGENCIES OUTSIDE OF THE TOWNSHIP AS WELL. AND THEN WE BROUGHT IT BACK, INCORPORATED THE COMMENTS FROM FROM ALL THOSE THOSE PLACES, INCLUDING OUR STAFF, AND UPDATED IT. AND WHAT YOU HAVE THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO YOU IS IS THE FINAL DRAFT VERSION. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS JUST GIVING YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OF WHAT'S IN THE PLAN. AND SO LET'S GET STARTED. I'M REALLY NOT THAT TALENTED. SOMEBODY ELSE PUT THAT TOGETHER. THAT WAS VERY, VERY FANCY OKAY. SO REAL QUICKLY I AND I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS QUICKLY AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, BUT OF COURSE STILL GIVE IT THE TIME THAT IT DESERVES. FIRST THING WE WANT TO DO IS JUST GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN IS, THE PURPOSE AND CONTEXT OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE TOWNSHIP AND ITS PLANNING PROCESS. HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND HOW IT FITS IN WITH WITH THE THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE TOWNSHIP GIVE YOU SOME MUNICIPAL BACKGROUND ON IT, AS WELL AS COVER SOME NUTS AND BOLTS ABOUT THE DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, AND THEN ALSO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUILD OUT ANALYSIS.
AND THEN FINALLY THE MITIGATION FRAMEWORK, WHICH THESE ARE ALL REQUIRED ELEMENTS IN THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. SO WHAT'S THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN? IT'S BASICALLY A REQUIRED ELEMENT FROM THE NJDEP STORMWATER REGULATIONS. JUST LIKE WE HAVE A CIRCULATION PLAN A HOUSING PLAN, LAND USE PLAN, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN IS AGAIN A COMPONENT OF YOUR MASTER PLAN FOR THE TOWNSHIP. IT ESTABLISHES HOW THE TOWNSHIP IS GOING TO MANAGE STORMWATER WITH RESPECT TO QUANTITY, QUALITY, GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, AND THEN ALSO WE'LL GET FURTHER INTO IT ABOUT THE IMPACTS. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO TO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS, SOME GOALS THAT TOWNSHIP MAY HAVE. THE WHOLE GOAL IS TO EVENTUALLY GUIDE NEW, YOU KNOW, GUIDE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS, AND ALSO LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, BECAUSE AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE COMPLEXITIES OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OVER TIME, THE MAINTENANCE HAS BECOME A BIGGER AND BIGGER ISSUE. SO THE KEY FUNCTIONS OF THE PLAN ARE ARE JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THESE ELEMENTS, BASIC ELEMENTS. WE ESTABLISH THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
WE IT ATTEMPTS TO INTEGRATE NONSTRUCTURAL STRATEGIES AND LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES. WE IDENTIFY EXISTING STORMWATER ISSUES. A LOT OF THOSE COME FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STAFF AND INPUT FROM FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT WE SPOKE OF EARLIER. WE COORDINATE STORMWATER PRACTICES WITH, WITH, WITH THE ZONING AND LAND USE AND THE TOWNSHIP'S CONSERVATION GOALS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COHESIVE AND ALL POINTING IN THE RIGHT THE SAME DIRECTION. AND THEN WE ALSO THE MASTER PLAN ALSO PROVIDES THAT MITIGATION FRAMEWORK IN CASES WHERE DEVIATIONS OR VARIANCES FROM THOSE STORMWATER STANDARDS ARE NECESSITATED. ALTHOUGH WE DO DISCOURAGE DEVIANCES FROM STORMWATER STANDARDS. SO WHAT
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DOES IT INCLUDE? INCLUDES INVENTORY OF OF THE WATERSHED AND EVALUATION OF THE WATER QUALITY AND WATER QUANTITY ISSUES THAT THAT THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THE TOWNSHIP. WE REVIEW THE EXISTING ORDINANCES AND PLANNING DOCUMENTS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP. WE ALSO ASSESS THE BUILD OUT POTENTIAL FOR THE TOWNSHIP. AND WE AGAIN DISCUSS MITIGATION FRAMEWORK AND PROVIDE THE GUIDANCE FOR THAT LONG TERM MAINTENANCE. AND THESE ARE ALL DISCUSSED IN THE IN THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, WHICH HAS BEEN DISSEMINATED TO YOU FOLKS. SO WHY DOES STORM PLANNING MATTER? I FEEL LIKE I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND. AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, STROKING YOUR EGOS. BUT I THINK MONTGOMERY IS WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, FLOODING AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING AND CONSCIOUSNESS. AND THAT'S NOT THROWING SHADE AT ANY OF MY OTHER CLIENTS. BUT IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, A SIMPLE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I'M SORT OF PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, BUT IT'S WE'RE HERE AND YOU'RE PAYING ME TO BE HERE. SO I'M GOING TO PREACH TO YOU. SO. SO WHY DOES STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MATTER? IT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IN GENERAL DEVELOPMENT AS, AS, YOU KNOW, AS WE YOU KNOW, AS THE TOWNSHIP DEVELOPS, IT INCREASES IMPERVIOUS COVER AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS SORT OF COME OUT OF THAT OR THESE ILLS, I SHOULD SAY, COME OUT OF THAT. YOU HAVE INCREASED POLLUTANT LOADING THAT GETS INTO THE WATERWAYS. YOU, YOU YOUR PEAK FLOWS ARE INCREASED, SHORTENING THE TRAVEL TIME THAT WATER HAS TO GET TO THOSE WATERWAYS. THE FASTER OBVIOUSLY IT TRAVELS, THE MORE THE QUICKER THE POLLUTANTS GET THERE, AND THE MORE POLLUTANTS, THE LESS TIME THERE IS FOR POLLUTANTS TO ACTUALLY BE NATURALLY FILTERED OUT. AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, THAT INCREASED TIME REDUCES THE INFILTRATION AND EVAPOTRANSPIRATION TRANSPIRATION RATES. THAT ALSO REDUCES THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE. ALL THOSE THINGS BASICALLY HAVE IMPACTS THAT ADVERSELY IMPACT FLOODING, EROSION, WATER QUALITY, AND LOSS OF HABITAT. SO IN A LOCAL CONTEXT, OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLANNING HAS REFLECTS LOCAL CONDITIONS. SO THINGS LIKE THE WATERSHED BOUNDARIES, THE RECEIVING STREAMS WERE ANALYZED AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, REEVALUATED HISTORICAL AND PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH WAS ALSO LOOKED AT. LAND DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES, THE ACTUAL OBVIOUSLY THE YOU KNOW, THE VARIOUS PRESSURES THAT WE HAVE FOR, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BALANCE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH, WITH ENVIRONMENTAL CONSCIOUSNESS AND STORMWATER PLANNING, EXISTING WATER IMPAIRMENT WAS WAS ALSO LOOKED AT. FLOOD PRONE AREAS AGAIN WERE LOOKED AT SOME. WE SPOKE TO ENGINEERING ABOUT AREAS WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE UNDERSIZED CULVERTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THAT COULD THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED, AND ALSO AREAS OF LOCALIZED EROSION WHICH AGAIN COULD BE ADDRESSED. GROUNDWATER RECHARGE AND WELLHEAD PROTECTION AREAS WERE ALSO NOTED AND ARE IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MASTER PLAN. SO THE CONNECTION TO MUNICIPAL PLANNING AS IT RELATES TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN OR THE MUNICIPAL MASTER PLAN AND ITS ASSOCIATED ELEMENTS ARE LAND USE, HOUSING, ETC. THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND ZONING ORDINANCE ARE ALSO. AGAIN, WE LOOK AT THEM FROM THE STORMWATER LENS AS PART OF THE STORMWATER PLAN. WE ALSO KEEP IN MIND THE RESIDENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS AND OTHER MANDATED BUT LOCALLY REGULATED REQUIREMENTS. SO CONSERVATION DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS ALSO ARE ARE KEYED IN TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AS WELL. AND THE WAY THAT WE ENFORCE IT THROUGH OUR STORMWATER ORDINANCES. AND THEN WE ALSO MAKE NOTE OF ANY POLLUTANT LOADING ANY TMD, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM DAILY LOADS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR CERTAIN WATERWAYS. SO STORMWATER IN A CHANGING LANDSCAPE, I GUESS THIS IS AGAIN, IT'S SORT OF ALMOST A REPETITION OF WHAT WE JUST SAID EARLIER. THE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT SHAPE HOW WATER MOVES ACROSS THE TOWNSHIP, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, ROADS, SIDEWALKS, PARKING AREAS, NATURAL DRAINAGE FEATURES, ALL THESE THINGS. AS, YOU KNOW, AS WE DEVELOP IMPACTS HOW STORMWATER IS, IS HANDLED OR ACCOMMODATED IN THE TOWNSHIP, NATURAL LANDSCAPES ARE CONVERTED TO ROADS, ROOFS AND AND COMPACTED SOILS WHICH INCREASE RUNOFF, INFILTRATION RATES DROP AND LOCAL STREAM LOCAL STREAMS RECEIVE THE WATER FASTER WITH MORE POLLUTANTS IN IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS. SO THAT MEANS OBVIOUSLY FLOODING, MORE FREQUENT ROADWAY FLOODING AND PROPERTY ISSUES, UNSTABLE STREAM BANKS, SEDIMENT TRANSPORT, WATER QUALITY IS DEGRADED. YOU GET ADDITIONAL NUTRIENTS AND SEDIMENT TRANSPORT AND THERMAL IMPACTS. ONCE YOU HAVE EVEN STORMWATER[00:15:01]
BASINS, RIGHT. THE OLD STORMWATER BASINS, YOU WOULD HOLD WATER, BUT THEN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THERMAL IMPACTS ON, YOU KNOW, THAT WATER WOULD ACTUALLY GET HEATED AND THEN DISCHARGED INTO THE STREAMS, WHICH FROM FLOODING STANDPOINT, THAT'S GREAT. BUT FROM A HABITAT AND AND BIOTA STANDPOINT, THAT'S NOT GREAT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S ALSO ADDRESSED BY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND AGAIN, ALL THAT LEADS TO HABITAT LOSS.WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE RIPARIAN ZONES THAT ARE THAT ARE DISTURBED AND AND STREAMS THAT ARE DEGRADED. SO HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO MONTGOMERY? MONTGOMERY SITS AT THE INTERSECTION OF SEVERAL DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. EACH ONE RESPONDING DIFFERENTLY TO STORMS AND DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE PARTS OF THE TOWN THAT ACTUALLY HAVE EXHIBIT DECENT PERMEABILITY RATES, AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN THAT ARE MORE CLAY SOILS THAT ACTUALLY WATER RUNS OFF FASTER WITH LESS GROUNDWATER RECHARGE WITH RESIDENTIAL GROWTH ALONG THE ESTABLISHED CORRIDORS. STORMWATER OBVIOUSLY MOVES THROUGH A LANDSCAPE WHERE OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND NATURAL STREAM VALLEYS AND SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES INTERACTING IN COMPLEX WAYS. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE THE CONTEXT WITH WITH WHICH WE HAVE TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT OUR STORMWATER SOLUTIONS. THIS IS THESE ARE WATERSHEDS THAT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY DETAIL ONE, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED THE HYDRO. THE HUCK FOURTEENS. BASICALLY, IT BREAKS DOWN YOUR TOWNSHIP INTO INTO TWO SMALLER WATERSHEDS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH WITH VARIOUS STREAMS. SO AND JUST ABOUT ALL OF OUR HUCK FOURTEENS, I BELIEVE THERE'S NINE ALTOGETHER, I BELIEVE.
YEAH, NINE, NINE OF THEM. AND JUST ABOUT ALL OF THEM ARE, ARE ARE NOT CLASS ARE NOT CLASSIFIED AS CATEGORY ONE WATERS. THE ONLY ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY CATEGORY ONE WATER IS THE ROCK BROOK NORTH OF. CAMP MEETING ROAD, UP IN UP IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE TOWNSHIP. AND THOSE ARE ALL LOOKED AT IN MORE DETAIL IN THE ACTUAL STORMWATER PLAN. SO IF YOU IF YOU HAVE THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU OR IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH IT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CHART OF EACH WATERSHED WHICH WHICH DOESN'T. ANALYSIS OF THE ACREAGE IN THE WATERSHED, HOW MUCH OF IT IS DEVELOPABLE AND ADDRESSES THEM ON A ON A WATERSHED BY WATERSHED BASIS BASIS. SO THE KEY ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES THAT INFLUENCE THE THE STORMWATER FLOW IN EACH OF THE WATERSHEDS IS WETLANDS, RIPARIAN CORRIDORS, STEEP SLOPES, ERODIBLE SOILS, FLOOD PRONE AREAS, WELLHEAD PROTECTION AND THEN KNOWN CONTAMINATED SITES. AND THOSE ARE ALL ALSO LISTED IN THE IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MASTER PLAN. AND THEN SECOND, AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE ITSELF ACTUALLY ADDRESSES ALL OF THESE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY IN THE ORDINANCE. SO WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING APPLICATIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, WE LOOK AT WHAT THE ORDINANCE IN THE TOWNSHIP REQUIRES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS ARE PERMISSIBLE TO MEET WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS ASKING FOR. I KNOW YOU HAVE AREAS OF STEEP SLOPES, SO THEY'RE IN THERE AREAS THAT WHERE YOU'RE WELLHEAD IS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ALWAYS PROTECTED. AND YOU HAVE YOUR WETLANDS AND RIPARIAN IS THERE. SO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC GUIDANCE IN THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE AS WELL AS YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES THESE, THAT ALL GET REVIEWED WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. YEP. WE'RE GOING TO GET GETTING THAT ACTUALLY PRETTY THE NEXT FEW SLIDES HERE AS FAR AS WHAT THE TOWNSHIP'S STANDARDS ARE VERSUS WHAT THE THE OVERALL STATE STANDARDS ARE. SO WE DID LOOK AT WATER QUALITY. WE LOOKED AT A FEW DIFFERENT SOURCES THAT TRACK THE QUALITY OF OUR WATERWAYS, AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE IMPAIRED. AND AGAIN, WE PUT IN IN WE LIST THOSE IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND THEN THERE ARE TMDL REQUIREMENTS IN, IN THOSE WATERWAYS. SO NUTRIENTS OBVIOUSLY ARE IN SEVERAL OF OUR, OF OUR 14 AREAS. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS FOR THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY RUNOFF FROM DEVELOPED AREAS AND REDUCED INFILTRATION LOCAL STREAMS. WE DO HAVE SEDIMENT EROSION PROBLEMS. THERE ARE CERTAIN STREAMS WHERE WE DO HAVE EROSION PROBLEM ON THE BANK, EROSION PROBLEMS. THAT LEADS TO, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL SEDIMENT TRANSPORT WITHIN THE STREAMS. WE WE DID REFERENCE, WHICH RESULTS SHOWED THAT THERE IS SOME MODERATE IMPAIRMENT WITH REGARD TO AQUATIC LIFE IN
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CERTAIN STREAMS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP, WHICH IS AGAIN AN INDICATOR OF OF STRESSES THAT ARE DUE TO NUTRIENTS, STREAM TEMPERATURE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND THEN CHANGES IN THE ACTUAL QUANTITY OF WATER FLOW. SO THE STANDARDS THAT THAT WE LOOKED AT PUT IN PLACE AND WE'VE STARTED THIS ALREADY, LIKE WE DID CHANGE OUR STORMWATER STANDARDS, WHICH I'M SURE YOU FOLKS ARE AWARE OF A FEW YEARS AGO TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT THAN THE STANDARDS. SO IN GENERAL, THE DEP STANDARDS AND THE STANDARDS SEEK TO CONTROL THE QUANTITY OF RUNOFF SO THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES THE THE FLOODING ISSUE, ADDRESS THE WATER QUALITY TREATMENT AS WELL, WHICH, AGAIN, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THAT ADDRESSES THE IMPAIRMENT OF THE WATERWAYS AND GROUNDWATER RECHARGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BASE FLOW.AND THEN ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT'S THE TOWNSHIP, THAT'S THE STATEWIDE STANDARDS. AND THEN AGAIN, THE THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR EACH OF THOSE IS REDUCING THE FLOW BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE RATES. IMPLEMENTING WATER, BMP, STORMWATER BMPS TO GET TO THE TS REMOVAL RATE THAT'S REQUIRED BY DEP, DEMONSTRATING THROUGH CALCULATIONS THAT YOU MAINTAIN THE THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE ON SITE. AND THEN AGAIN IMPLEMENTING ALL THAT WITH THE PRESCRIBED GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE FROM DEP. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT MONTGOMERY DOES VERSUS WHAT THE STATE'S THRESHOLDS ARE? SO THE STATE'S THRESHOLDS ARE LISTED THERE. AND COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, OBVIOUSLY MONTGOMERY'S IS IS STRICTER THAN, THAN THE STATE STANDARD, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PURPOSEFULLY DONE. WE WE CONSULTED WITH THE TOWNSHIP STAFF COMMITTEE AND ADVISORY BOARDS. AND A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN I'M SORRY, NOT STORMWATER ORDINANCES, WE DID IMPLEMENT A STRICTER STANDARDS. SO THE STATE STANDARDS ARE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT. IS ANYTHING THAT THAT DISTURBS MORE THAN ONE ACRE OR PRODUCES MORE THAN ONE QUARTER ACRE OF IMPERVIOUS OR ONE QUARTER ACRE OF NEW MOTOR VEHICLE SERVICE. SINCE FEBRUARY OF 2004, THE TOWNSHIP STANDARD, THE MORE STRICT STANDARD IS IS THE DP STANDARD PLUS. I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO A HALF AN ACRE ONE ACRE PRIOR TO THE RIGHT AFTER. RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT SAYS RIGHT THERE. THAT. SO CAN YOU SAY THAT? SAY THAT AGAIN I'M SORRY.
THIS. SO THE TOWNSHIP STANDARD IS ONE ACRE OR A QUARTER ACRE OF IMPERVIOUS UP FOR UP TO MARCH OF 2021, FROM FEBRUARY 24TH TO MARCH OF 21 AND OR A HALF ACRE OF DISTURBANCE OR CREATION OF 5000FTā !S OF REGULAR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, OR 5000FTā !S OF MOTOR VEHICLE SURFACE AFTER MARCH OF 21. SO ANYTHING THAT SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE IF WE HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN, IF THEY'RE DISTURBING A HALF ACRE, THEIR MAJOR PROJECT BY OUR STANDARDS AND THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE RATE REDUCTIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF AT AT A HALF ACRE, NOT ONE ACRE. AND SIMILARLY, WE REQUIRE THAT AT 5000FTā !S OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACER 5000FTā !S OF MOTOR VEHICLE SURF, THEY ADDRESS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AS WELL, AS OPPOSED TO THE QUARTER ACRE IS WHAT THE DEP STANDARD IS. AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN APPLICATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY MAGICALLY COMES IN WITH 0.24 ACRES OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, OR THEY'RE AT 0.99 ACRES OF DISTURBANCE. AND THEY THEY STAND HERE AND SAY, WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE A MINOR PROJECT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO SIT THERE AND ARGUE WITH THEM AND SAY, YEAH, BUT YOU NEED A VARIANCE. SO YOU BETTER ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, QUANTITY AND ALL THAT. AND BY THE WAY, AGAIN, TO COMPLIMENT YOU FOLKS AND COMPLIMENT OUR STAFF, WE WE DO A YOU AS WE WHEN I SAY WE I MEAN THE THE ROYAL WE THE TOWNSHIP DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF EVEN ON MINOR PROJECTS MAKING SURE THAT THAT THOSE PROJECTS ADDRESS STORMWATER. IT'S NOT I KNOW SOME TOWNS WHERE LITERALLY IF YOU'RE UNDER AN ACRE OR UNDER A QUARTER ACRE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S IT'S LITERALLY JUST WAVING THE HAND. OKAY. GO AHEAD. BUT IN OUR TOWNSHIP, WE DO MAKE FOLKS ADDRESS STORMWATER ESPECIALLY. I THINK I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE ANOTHER THING THAT'S NOT REALLY MENTIONED HERE, WHICH WE DO, IS WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO ADDRESS STORMWATER FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. IF THEY IF THEY NEED A VARIANCE FOR IMPERVIOUS, WE MAKE THEM ADDRESS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BUT IT AUTOMATICALLY MAKES THEM A MAJOR PROJECT. SO AGAIN I THINK WE'RE AHEAD OF THE CURVE. AND WE SHOULD REALLY I, I DO LIKE THAT WE ARE AHEAD OF THE CURVE. BUT WATER DOESN'T KNOW ANY BORDERS. AND I THINK IT'S
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IMPORTANT THAT THE OTHER TOWNS DO THE SAME. BECAUSE IF WE DO IT AND WE STILL GET THE WATER, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S BEEN MY 100% EVERY MEETING I'M WITH THE OTHER MAYORS, I'M LIKE, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING IT AND WE ARE DOING IT. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT HAPPY MANY TIMES WHEN THEY FIND OUT WHAT YOU KNOW WITH THE OTHER TOWNS. BUT YEAH, THAT IS SOMETHING I GUESS IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE. MAYBE THAT'S A STATE ISSUE THAN THAN WE CAN DO A MUNICIPALITY. BUT YES, WE CAN. WE CAN PUT DAMS AROUND THE TOWN. YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S AN IDEA.WE'LL JUST HAVE DAMS JUST AROUND MONTGOMERY AND SAY, HEY, WE ARE ALL PROTECTED. YEAH. BUT I, I THINK YOUR POINT IS REALLY WELL TAKEN, MAYOR. I THINK THE THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE BEST WE CAN DO IS ENCOURAGE OTHER TOWNS, YES, TO TO DO THE SAME AND MAYBE SHOW THEM LIKE, LISTEN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS AND IT'S ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL. SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IF ESPECIALLY TOWNS UPSTREAM FROM US WOULD DO THE SAME. RIGHT. YEAH. AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING MEETINGS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, I FIND MONTGOMERY IS LEADING THE CHARGE AND MANY OF THE OTHER TOWNS ARE NOT PARTICIPATING. IT IS IT'S IT'S AND IT'S DIFFICULT. RIGHT. BECAUSE LIKE, WE STARTED THE MEETING OUT BY TALKING ABOUT BALANCING YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT GOALS, YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT I HEAR FROM MY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AS WELL, BECAUSE THEIR POINT TO ME IS, YES, THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE. AND I THINK MONTGOMERY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF BALANCING WHEN EVEN WHEN WE DID THE TREE ORDINANCE, WE BALANCED IT WITH WHAT THE ECONOMIC REALITY WAS AND WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW WE WANTED TO SAVE OUR TREES AT THE SAME TIME. SO YEAH, BUT THANK YOU. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I THINK THE AGAIN, IT'S IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE. YOU HAVE TO ALSO FIND INCENTIVES FOR FOLKS. YOU KNOW, MONTGOMERY IS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE. IT'S A DESIRABLE PLACE TO TO HAVE A BUSINESS. SO YOU HAVE THAT THAT DESIRABILITY WHICH, WHICH GIVES YOU THAT CACHET TO MAYBE IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES WHERE SOME OTHER TOWNS MAY NOT HAVE THAT SAME RIGHT. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE UPSTREAM FROM US. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN THE THREE CORE REQUIREMENTS. AND AGAIN I THINK YOU GUYS ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE DO HERE. THE QUANTITY CONTROL WE REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO IF THEY'RE A MAJOR PROJECT TO TO AGAIN SHOW THAT THEIR POST DEVELOPMENT STORMWATER RATE IS DECREASED OR AT LEAST MATCHES THE PRE DEVELOPED FROM ALONG THE ENTIRE HYDROGRAPH. SO THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT. SO WATER QUALITY SAME THING. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT BMPS THAT ARE MEET THE 80% SE. AND IF THERE'S A TMDL REQUIREMENT ON THE WATERWAY THAT THEY'RE IN IMPLEMENT BMPS THAT THAT MEET THAT TMDL REQUIREMENT AND GROUNDWATER RECHARGE. AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE CALCULATIONS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEIR GROUNDWATER RECHARGE IS EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU PAVE A SITE, YOU HAVE TO STILL SHOW THAT YOU'RE CAPTURING AND INFILTRATING ENOUGH WATER TO MAINTAIN THAT BASE FLOW. AND ALL THOSE THINGS, ALL THOSE CRITERIA HAVE TO BE THAT USING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AS THE PRIMARY MECHANISM. AND SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE BIORETENTION BASINS, INFILTRATION BASINS, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT, VEGETATED SWALES, GREEN ROOFS. BUT I I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU I HAVE NOT SEEN A GREEN ROOF, AT LEAST IN MONTGOMERY OR IN THE SUBURBS. I'VE SEEN GREEN ROOFS IN THE CITY, BUT I'M NOT THE ENGINEER FOR ANY CITIES, SO. SO HOW DO WE ENFORCE THIS? OUR REQUIREMENTS AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO COVERED IN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MASTER PLAN. BUT IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE TOWNSHIP STAFF INSPECTORS WITH IN-HOUSE INSPECTORS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, CONSULTANTS LIKE OUR OUR FIRM IS HIRED OCCASIONALLY TO DO INSPECTIONS ON ON THE SITE. SO WE'VE BEEN WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE THE, THE PROMENADE. SO YOU KNOW INSPECTORS ARE OUT THERE ENSURING THAT THE THE PLANS ARE IMPLEMENTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OR AT LEAST THE CONSTRUCTION IS IMPLEMENTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WITH THE APPROVED PLANS AND AND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MEASURES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
ORDINANCES ARE ENFORCED OBVIOUSLY BY OUR OUR OUR LOCAL CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ZONING, SUCH AS ILLICIT CONNECTIONS AND LITTER AND WASTE ORDINANCES THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS PASSED.
AND THEN THE MS4 COMPLIANCE IS DONE BY OUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MANDATED MS4 CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE.
AS ANOTHER PART OF THE THE PLAN MASTER PLAN IS PERFORMING A BUILD OUT ANALYSIS. SO WE'LL JUST RUN THROUGH BRIEFLY JUST AN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE DID THAT. AND THEN IT'S MORE DETAILED
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OBVIOUSLY IN THE IN THE PLAN. THE METHODOLOGY IS BASICALLY WE CALCULATED THE BOUNDARIES OF EACH OF THE 14 AREAS, THE ACREAGE IN EACH. AND THEN WE DEDUCTED OUT THE CONSTRAINED LANDS, WETLANDS, PRESERVED OPEN SPACE LANDS, STEEP SLOPES AND CONTAMINATED SITES. AND THEN THE NET OF THAT, WE APPLIED THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH ZONE WITHIN THAT 14, TO CALCULATE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAT COULD BE REALIZED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, THAT 14 AND THEN WE USE THE DEP'S PUBLISHED LOADING FOR EACH FOR THE FOR THE EACH USE TYPE INDUSTRIAL, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL. AS FAR AS WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR FOR TOTAL POLLUTANTS AND TSS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND ESSENTIALLY THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO AGAIN ILLUSTRATE THAT WHAT WHAT THE POTENTIAL LOADS ARE AND THEN HOW WE CAN HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT THROUGH OUR TO OUR MANAGEMENT MASTER PLAN AND OUR ORDINANCES TO, TO DEAL WITH WITH THAT BUILD OUT. THE LARGEST DEVELOPABLE IN CASE ANYONE IS INTERESTED, THE LARGEST DEVELOPABLE LAND AREA IS RESIDENTIAL, WHICH I KNOW YOU FOLKS ALREADY PROBABLY KNOW THAT, BUT WHEN YOU SEE IT AS A IN NUMBERS, IT'S KIND OF STARK, RIGHT? OF THE 13,000 ACRES IN MONTGOMERY THAT ARE THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT OR ARE DEVELOPABLE, 11,000 OVER 11,000 ARE ACTUALLY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH YOUR SINGLE, SINGLE LARGEST LAND USE CATEGORY OF REMAINING DEVELOPABLE LAND. SO THERE'S THAT'LL SORT OF GET THAT. WHAT THAT DOES IS SORT OF TELLS YOU WHERE WE MAY BE LOOKING TO GEAR OUR, OUR ORDINANCES AND OUR, OUR, OUR FUTURE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS TO, TO ADDRESS THAT. BECAUSE AND THAT'S ONLY OF THE DEVELOPABLE DEVELOPABLE LAND AVAILABLE NOW CORRECT? YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO SWITCH TO MITIGATION. SO MITIGATION IS BASICALLY AS PART OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE WE WE PUT IN A A MECHANISM WHEREBY IF AN APPLICANT CANNOT COMPLY WITH ONE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT'S QUANTITY, QUALITY, GROUNDWATER RECHARGE OR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY CAN'T COMPLY WITH WITH THOSE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THERE IS A MECHANISM WHEREBY YOU KNOW, THAT DEVELOPER COULD OR APPLICANT COULD UNDERGO OR UNDERTAKE A MITIGATION PLAN WHICH WOULD ACCOMPANY THAT VARIANCE THAT THEY'RE SEEKING FROM, FROM ONE OF THE BOARDS. SO A MITIGATION PLAN IS REQUIRED IF YOU'RE GOING TO GRANT A STORMWATER VARIANCE. I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION HERE IN THE PAST WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF A DEVELOPER OR APPLICANT CAN'T MEET OR DOES NOT MEET THE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENT, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GRANT THAT VARIANCE. BUT BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO TO UNDERGO MITIGATION PROJECT. SO THEY CAN'T GET A VARIANCE WITHOUT DOING THE MITIGATION. AND SO THE MITIGATION PLAN SHOULD. SO OUR MITIGATION PLAN IDENTIFIES THE DIFFERENT MEASURES. SO IF YOU IF IT'S A GROUNDWATER RECHARGE VARIANCE WE WE'VE IDENTIFIED PROJECTS IN IN OUR IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AGAIN IN CONSULTATION WITH ENGINEERING AND WITH ENVIRONMENTAL AND WITH YOU KNOW WITH THE STAFF, WE'VE IDENTIFIED VARIOUS PROJECTS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP THAT COULD BE UNDERTAKEN FOR MITIGATION. THEY INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT WILL OFFSET THE EFFECT OF GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, QUANTITY CONTROL, QUALITY CONTROL. SO WE WE HAVE BASICALLY CONCEPTUAL PLANS THAT THEY WOULD THEN TAKE TO FRUITION. MITIGATION PROJECT HAS TO BE UNDERTAKEN WITHIN THAT GENERAL AREA. LIKE YOU CAN'T GO IN A REMOTE PART OF THE TOWN. YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY BE WHERE WHERE YOUR PROJECT IS IMPACTING STORMWATER IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO UNDERTAKE THAT MITIGATION PROJECT. IT HAS TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC ITEM THAT THAT YOU OR THE APPLICANT IS FAILING TO MEET. SO IF THEY DON'T MEET QUANTITY, THEN THEY HAVE TO UNDERTAKE A MITIGATION PROJECT WITHIN THAT SAME AREA THAT ADDRESSES QUANTITY. SO SO THEY CAN'T. YEAH. SWAP ONE FOR EXACTLY. YOU CAN'T SWAP OUT THE CRITERIA AND YOU CAN'T SWAP OUT THE AREA. THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA. YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ANY MORE SPECIFIC. AND THEN ALSO AS PART OF THE MITIGATION PROJECT, THE THE APPLICANT HAS TO IDENTIFY WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM DOING MITIGATION PROJECT. AND THEN IT FALLS ON THE TOWNSHIP TO MAINTAIN OR IT FALLS ON ANOTHER UNWITTING, PROPERLY UNWITTING PERSON TO MAINTAIN.[00:35:01]
SO THE DEVELOPER HAS TO IDENTIFY WHO ACTUALLY BE MAINTAINING IT. AND THEN WE HAVE. BINDING AGREEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S A DEED RESTRICTION OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF AGREEMENT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE MAINTENANCE IS PERFORMED BY THE RIGHT PARTY. AND THESE ARE ALL THE THE VARIOUS TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT THEY CAN UNDERTAKE. RETROFITTING BASINS BY ADDING FOUR BAYS. WE'VE DONE A FEW OF THESE KIND OF PROJECTS ACTUALLY, AS, AS, AS A FIRM.WE'VE DONE IT FOR FOR CERTAIN TOWNSHIPS WHERE YOU HAVE OLD, OLD DRAINAGE BASINS, WHICH WERE A GREAT IDEA BACK, BACK IN THE DAY. BUT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE THE THERMAL EFFECTS OF WATER BEING IMPOUNDED AND ALSO SOME CASES, THERE'S NOT EVEN A WHOLE LOT OF TREATMENT HAPPENING BECAUSE YOU HAVE THOSE CONCRETE SWALES THAT ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BASINS, AND ALL THEY DO IS JUST TRANSPORT WATER FROM THE INLET TO THE OUTLET PRETTY FAST. SO WE'VE RETROFITTED A LOT OF THOSE TYPE OF BASINS TO, TO MAKE THEM INTO BIORETENTION KIND OF BASINS, WHERE STORMWATER ACTUALLY HAS TO TAKE A CIRCUITOUS PATH AND GETS TIME TO SETTLE AND ACTUALLY FILTER OUT, AND THEN HAS TIME TO TO PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND.
OTHER TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE STREAMBANK STABILIZATIONS TO, TO MAKE MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS THE SE ISSUES, SWALE REPAIRS, INLET RETROFITS. THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE STORM MANAGEMENT MASTER PLAN. SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING MITIGATION, ARE YOU TALKING DEVELOPERS? BECAUSE AS A TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE, WE HEAR MORE FROM OUR RESIDENTS, NOT US PERSONALLY, BUT OF COURSE OUR ZONING. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE TC GETS PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, I'M TRYING TO DO THIS BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND THIS IS SO MITIGATION IS ONLY AN OPTION. LOOKS LIKE IF I'M LOOKING AT IT TO DEVELOPER. SO IF IT'S A HOMEOWNER AND THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT IF WE CAN'T LET THEM DO WHAT THEY EXACTLY WANT TO DO BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, MITIGATION PROJECTS IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE'RE WE'RE SPEAKING ARE FOR NOT NOT JUST DEVELOPERS, BUT ANY APPLICANT THAT COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD OR ZONING BOARD THAT HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR STORMWATER, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS STORMWATER, WHETHER YOU'RE CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR PROJECT, OR MAYBE IT'S ONE OF THESE VARIANCES WHERE WE'RE WE'RE REQUIRING STORMWATER BECAUSE THEY NEED AN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE VARIANCE. IF YOU HAVE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENT FOR AN APPLICATION, YOU HAVE BEFORE THE BOARD, AND YOU CAN'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT FOR SOMEBODY, OR YOU CAN'T MEET ONE OF THE THE FACETS OF THE REQUIREMENT, THEN THERE'S A MITIGATION OPTION AVAILABLE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENT WHO'S NOT A MAJOR PROJECT FOR STORMWATER AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOME SORT OF STORMWATER MITIGATION, THAT'S THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THE OTHER. REASON I WOULD GIVE FOR FOR NOT HAVING IT APPLIED TO, TO INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS IS BECAUSE OF THE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT GO WITH THE, THE PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE ENGINEERING OF IT, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT, YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF IT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT COULD RUN INTO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, WHICH MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER CAN'T NECESSARILY UNDERTAKE. BUT IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT AND THEY CAN'T DO IT, THEN AGAIN, I'M WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS WHO SAY THAT THEY'VE SPENT 30,000 DOING STORMWATER. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BETTER. BUT OKAY. BUT IF IT'S A $200,000 POOL, THEN, YOU KNOW, 30,000. I THINK THAT'S A MITIGATION. SHOULD I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM. BUT OF COURSE, WHEN THEY COME AND MEET US OR THE TC, THEN THEIR ISSUE IS I'M A TAXPAYER AND I HAVE TO DO ALL OF THIS. SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. YEAH. AND I THINK A LOT OF COMPLAINT COMPLAINTS, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, NOT COMPLAINTS, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR FROM, FROM, FROM RESIDENTS IS JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MITIGATION, IT'S THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING ME TO DO STORMWATER. AND WHY AM I REQUIRED TO DO STORMWATER? THIS IS WHY, LIKE ALL THE STUFF THAT ALL THE SLIDES, ALL THE STUFF THAT IS THERE, WHY WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO STORMWATER, EVERYONE PUT A PATIO IN. YEAH. WE NEVER REALLY. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. RIGHT. AND IF WE WERE TO SAY FINE, DON'T DO STORMWATER. YOU CAN DO MITIGATION PROJECT. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO COST THEM. IF THEY COST $30,000 ON THEIR PROPERTY, IT PROBABLY COST THEM 60 TO 90,000. THAT'S DOING MITIGATION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
OF COURSE, A DEVELOPER CAN TAKE THAT ON, BUT NOT A HOMEOWNER. RIGHT? OKAY. HEY, RAKESH, JUST GOING BACK ONE SLIDE FOR A SECOND. THE PUBLIC SITE. RETROFITS. YES. ISN'T THAT KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SAID? WITH THAT, PEOPLE CAN'T DO IT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF IF MITIGATION IS INFEASIBLE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT, OKAY, MAYBE THEY CAN FUND OR CONSTRUCT
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SOMETHING. YES. WHAT IF IT'S NOT IN THEIR GROUNDWATER AREA? OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN THAT AREA? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THAT AREA. OKAY. SO IF THERE'S IF THERE'S A PUBLIC SITE THAT'S IT HAS TO IT HAS TO MATCH UP. IT HAS TO BE THEY CAN'T SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BUILD A PLAYGROUND AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TOWN. EXACTLY. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S YEAH. THEY CAN'T DO THAT IF, IF IT LINES UP SUCH THAT WITHIN THEIR HUCK 14, THERE IS AN IDENTIFIED PUBLIC SITE THAT NEEDS A RETROFIT PROJECT. AND ALSO THAT RETROFIT PROJECT HAPPENS TO ADDRESS THE THE DEFICIT THAT THEY HAVE THEN THEN THERE'S THEN THAT'S A LOVE CONNECTION. AND THEY CAN DO THAT. GOTCHA. JUST MAKING SURE OKAY. WHAT IF IT'S JUST DOWNSTREAM FOR EXAMPLE FROM THEIR AREA. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION SARAH. I THINK THE THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT FROM DEP FOR MITIGATION PROJECTS IS THAT WE PREFER THAT IT BE IN THE SAME HUC 14, BUT IF IT'S JUST OUTSIDE THE HUCK 14 AND DOWNSTREAM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND SOMETHING WITHIN YOUR YOUR HUCK 14 AREA. OKAY. AND BUT SO THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN BUT THAT WOULD BE UNDERTAKEN ALL THE INDIVIDUAL ALL THE MITIGATION PROJECTS ARE REALLY INDIVIDUALLY LOOKED AT. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A DEVELOPER WERE SO INCLINED AS TO TO TAKE ON A MITIGATION PROJECT. WE WOULD CONSULT. THEY WOULD CONSULT WITH ME AND WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER. WE'D HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS AND THEN GIVE THEM GUIDANCE ON IT. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN JUST TAKE SOMETHING AND RUN WITH IT. THEY REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT SIT DOWN AND WITH ME AND MARK AND OR WHOEVER IS INVOLVED AT THAT TIME, OKAY, OKAY. THAT WOULD BE DONE AS A CONDITION OF THE BOARD. RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE IF IF THEY CAN'T MEET IT AND THEY WOULD LET'S SAY THEY SAID WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD SUBMIT TO THE BOARD, WE WOULD IDENTIFY THE DEFICIENCY AS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS. AND WE PROBABLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE DEFICIENT. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO SAY, WELL, I CAN'T MEET IT FOR REASONS X, Y, AND Z. THEN WE WOULD DISCUSS THE MITIGATION BECAUSE YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF YOUR APPROVAL. SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST A CONCEPT OF A PLAN. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND RAKESH, IF YOU WOULD TALK ABOUT RECENTLY THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE HAD, IT'S ANYTHING COMES TO YOUR MIND WITH THE ONES THAT WE'VE RECENTLY. I MEAN, I GUESS MONTGOMERY PROMENADE HAS COME UP AND ALL WHERE YOU'VE DONE STORMWATER. I'M, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS ALSO WHERE I'M HOPING OUR RESIDENTS DO TUNE IN AND AND WATCH OUR PLANNING BOARD. AND WHEN THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, I CAN ALWAYS SAY, HEY, THE DEVELOPERS DO IT TOO.AND OF COURSE, THE HOMEOWNERS NEED TO DO IT TOO. AND, YOU KNOW, NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS AS MUCH. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMEOWNERS WHO COME TO US AND WHO ARE QUESTIONING US. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I THINK EVERY PROJECT THAT THAT COMES IN THAT'S A MAJOR PROJECT OR HAS TO ADDRESS, NO, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER PROJECT OR A DEVELOPER'S PROJECT, THEY ALL UNDERTAKE STORMWATER MITIGATION. WE HAVEN'T HAD VERY MUCH MITIGATION RECENTLY. OKAY. I JUST REALLY YEAH. LOOKING FOR AN EXAMPLE. YEAH. OKAY. WE BECAUSE MITIGATION IS IS KIND OF AND I'M TAKING UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME DISCUSSING IT. BUT MY GOAL IS ALWAYS TO NOT GET THEM TO DO MITIGATION. I WANT THEM TO ADDRESS STORMWATER ON THEIR SITE. OKAY. AND MITIGATION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE IS A LITTLE COMPLICATED OKAY. AND IT TAKES SOME TIME. AND IT'S PROBABLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ADDRESSING IT ON YOUR SITE. AND WE'LL START ADDRESSING IT ON YOUR ON THEIR SITE RATHER. YEAH, 99%, MORE THAN 99% ARE ADDRESSING IT ON THEIR SITE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE LONG THE THERE'S IT'S DEFINITELY MORE COSTLY TO DO MITIGATION OFF SITE THAN IT IS TO ADDRESS STORMWATER ON THEIR SITE. GOOD POINT. WASN'T THERE AN ISSUE WITH THE RIVER ROAD DEVELOPMENT? WHICH ONE? THE ONE ON RIVER ROAD OFF OF BLUE SPRING. WHICH ONE IS THAT? OH THAT'S HAVEN. HAVEN. ARE WE TALKING WITH HAVEN? YEAH, YEAH. HAVEN. HAVEN ADDRESSED THEIR STORMWATER. YOU'RE RIGHT THOUGH ORIGINALLY ORIGINALLY THEY WERE THEY HAD THEY HAD REFUSAL. THEY HAD BEDROCK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THEY DID REVISE THEIR STORMWATER. RIGHT. BUT WE WORKED WITH THEM EXTENSIVELY BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, DAVE, IN THE BEGINNING THAT'S GOOD. WHICH IS WHICH IS KIND OF WHY THEY HAVE THEY'RE GETTING ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE OF THOSE. OKAY. AND THEY'RE ADDRESSING IT RIGHT THERE. IT'S ON SITE. IT'S ON SITE. YEAH OKAY. WHICH IS WHY TO GET THE YEAR EXTENSION THAT THEY ASKED FOR TONIGHT, THEY KIND OF HAVE NO CHOICE. CHOICE OKAY. GOT IT. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE IS ABOUT YOUR BUILD OUT ANALYSIS. DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS? YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T BELIEVE WE GOT THAT GRANULAR WHAT WE DID. WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST TOOK THE ZONING BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF THE IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT MORE OF AN OVERALL, YOU KNOW, MACROSCOPIC KIND OF BUILD OUT. BUT WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE GRANULAR OF, OF INDIVIDUAL
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SITES. NOW SARAH, DO YOU MEAN IF IT'S A 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BECAUSE IF IT'S LIKE 18% OR 19%, IT'S GOT TO BE PART OF THE PLAN FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? USUALLY THE BOARD IS WILLING TO GIVE VARIANCES, INCLUDING LOT COVERAGE, VARIANCES AND EVERYTHING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IF THERE'S IF THERE'S A ELEMENT CHANGE, ZONING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH, IN A LOT OF CASES IT'S REDEVELOPMENT, RIGHT. WE'LL WE'LL HAVE THE THE TOWNSHIP WILL UNDER UNDERTAKE A REDEVELOPMENT. IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH, WITH A DEVELOPER, WHETHER IT'S INCLUSIVE OR 100% AFFORDABLE, THERE'S USUALLY AGAIN A TOWN.THE TOWNSHIP HAS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED. THE DEVELOPER HAS A DEVELOPMENT NEED. SO SOMETIMES WE'LL DO A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THAT REDEVELOPMENT SARAH'S RIGHT.
THAT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN MAY MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. RIGHT.
SOMETIMES WE MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR, FOR FOR REDUCED PARKING, THINGS LIKE THAT TO, TO ACCOMMODATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT ON ON THE OVERALL SCALE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THAT THAT THAT HAS TO BE CASE BY CASE I WOULD THINK. OKAY. SO AND AND THE OTHER QUESTION, I CAN'T RESIST, WHERE DO WE HAVE SOILS THAT INFILTRATE WATER THAT ARE WELL DRAINED IN MONTGOMERY? I MEAN, TELL US, TELL US OVER TOWN. AND I SAID, OH, MAYBE, MAYBE THERE MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE CLAY SOIL IN THE SAUERLAND. NO, THEY HAVE CLAY SOIL. WHERE IS IT? I, I GET YOUR POINT. AND IN, IN GENERAL, MY SUMMARY SOILS ARE NOT FANTASTIC. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE IN THE TOWNSHIP. THERE'S. AND I'D HAVE TO GO AND ACTUALLY GO LOOK INTO THE DATA TO TELL YOU THE EXACT LOCATION. THERE ARE SOME SMALL POCKETS WHERE WE HAVE SOME PERMEABLE. SO. BUT BUT AS A WHOLE, YES. AS MY DAUGHTER USED TO HAVE A ROCK, A SAYING BACK WHEN SHE WAS LITTLE, IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE. WELL, MONTGOMERY SOILS ARE NOT FANTASTIC. THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH WITH STORMWATER IN OUR TOWN. I REMEMBER HEARING THAT THE WHERE MONTGOMERY PROMENADE IS GOING IN WAS SOME OF THE HIGHEST STATE RATED FARMLAND, SO MAYBE THAT WAS THOSE ARE FAIRLY DECENT SOILS. YEAH, I'VE BEEN ON THAT SITE AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY FAIRLY DECENT SOILS, SADLY. WELL, THAT'S SADLY YEAH BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING PAVED OVER. BUT YEAH BUT THEY'RE BASED IN WILL WORK. WELL THE STORMWATER BASINS WILL WORK WELL. BUT YES THOSE ARE THE AREAS. SO YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE STUFF THAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE AS FAR AS MITIGATION GOES. AND THAT WAS THE END OF IT. SO I JUST WENT RIGHT INTO THE QUESTIONS WITHOUT ME ASKING FOR QUESTIONS. BUT I'M OPEN TO ANY MORE QUESTIONS. AND MARYBETH, OBVIOUSLY OPEN TO MORE QUESTIONS. RAKESH, ARE YOU COMING TO THE TOWNSHIP MEETING AS WELL? ONE OF THESE I'M I'M HAPPY TO COME TO THE MEETING. I THINK I'M GOING TO ASK LORI BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE ADDRESSING THINGS WHICH WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS AND MAYBE THEY ARE ALL LISTENING IN TODAY, BUT AT THE TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE MEETING WOULD BE GOOD TO. AND WE'D LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BUILD THAT PATIO, WANTS TO BUILD THE POOL AND YOU KNOW, SO BUT MOST OF THOSE THINGS GO TO THE ZONING BOARD. THEY DO. BUT THIS IS MORE WELL, THEY ALSO COME TO THE TC IN THE SENSE THAT THEY STOP YOU AND SAY, WELL, I LIVE HERE, I PAY MY TAXES AND LOOK WHAT I'M DOING, WHY THEY COME. BUT YEAH, BUT THE ACTUAL APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION DOESN'T COME FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I JUST FELT IF YOU COULD DO THIS AT A TC MEETING AS WELL WOULD BE GOOD. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'D PROMOTE IT AHEAD OF TIME TO HAVE. IF RESIDENTS HAVE QUESTIONS, THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO COME AND ASK IN PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, AND ASK YOU AS THE EXPERT WHY SOME OF THE STUFF NEEDS TO BE DONE. YEAH, YEAH. THIS THIS BASICALLY GIVES THE THE OVERALL BACKGROUND ON WHY WE HAVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO THIS ISN'T GOING TO ADDRESS HOW WE MAKE THE THINGS EASIER FOR FOR RESIDENTS. BUT WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT'LL AT LEAST EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY WE HAVE THE RULES IN PLACE THAT WE HAVE. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. AND THAT THAT'S A QUESTION WE AT THE TC DO GET WHERE WE ARE ASKED, LIKE, WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME GO THROUGH ALL THIS TO BUILD A PATIO OR PUT A POOL OR SO? IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE THIS KIND OF AN EXPLANATION AS WELL, RIGHT? ONE MORE QUESTION. HOW OFTEN DOES THE STATE UPDATE THE TWO, FIVE AND 100 YEAR FLOOD? SO GUIDELINES YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THE THE THE 210 100 YEAR STORM INTENSITIES. YES. SO THE STORM INTENSITY IS LOOKED AT PERIODICALLY. THERE'S NOT IT'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A SET FREQUENCY. WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THEY LOOKED AT IT I THINK TWICE IN THE LAST. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS ALMOST NOW.
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YEAH I JUST LOOK YOUNG AND PRETTY. BUT THE IT'S BEEN DONE TWICE AS FAR AS THE STORM RATES GO BECAUSE BECAUSE THE RAINFALL DOES YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY RECORDED RAINFALL AMOUNTS AND THEN THEY ADJUST IT. SO IT'S IT'S BEEN ADJUSTED TWICE I BELIEVE IN THE LAST 30 YEARS THAT I CAN REMEMBER. I MEAN, IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'VE HAD LIKE 500 YEAR FLOODS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. I'VE DEFINITELY FEEL IT HAS. IT HAS INCREASED THE, THE THE STORM. AND AND I'M HESITATING ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T DO THE CALCULATIONS LIKE I USED TO WHEN I WAS YOUNGER. YEAH.BUT THE WHEN I WAS, WHEN I STARTED DOING THIS BACK IN 1994, THE 100 YEAR STORM WAS SEVEN POINT AT LEAST IN BURLINGTON COUNTY, WHERE I'M FROM, IT WAS 7.4IN, RIGHT, IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. FOUR HOUR PERIOD. THE CURRENT 100 YEAR STORM IN BURLINGTON COUNTY, I BELIEVE, IS 8.9 OR 8.8. I THINK IT'S 8.93IN OR SO IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT SINCE WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC, THE OTHER THING THAT THE REQUIRED STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE NOW, WHICH WE DO AS WELL, IS THE DESIGNING FOR THE PROJECTED STORMWATER.
SO, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A PROJECTED STORMWATER, SORRY, RAIN INTENSITY, STORMWATER INTENSITY THAT GOES UP TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO 2100. AND RIGHT. THAT INTENSITY IS QUITE A BIT MORE. SO WE WE DO REQUIRE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS NOW TO BE, TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE CURRENT RATES AND ALSO REQUIRE PROJECTED RATES. AND SOMEHOW I JUST HAVE A GUT FEELING THE PROJECTED RATES AREN'T ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT I WILL SAY, THOUGH, IS THAT THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THAT THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED NOW IS A LOT IS A LOT MORE ROBUST THAN IT WAS. AND IT WAS, YEAH, EVEN TEN, 15 YEARS AGO. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS JUST LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT NOT IN OUR TOWN, BUT IN ANOTHER TOWN WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING 183 ACRES TO BE DEVELOPED WITH AFFORDABLE.
IT'S A IT'S A HOUSING PROJECT WITH INCLUSIVE HOUSING PROJECT WITH, I THINK LIKE ALMOST 900 UNITS AND BACK AND I SEE BACK IN MY DAY. BUT BACK WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST STARTED DOING THESE KIND OF PROJECTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT HAVE 3 OR 4, MAYBE FIVE DRAINAGE BASINS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, NOT THREE, BUT MAYBE 4 OR 5, SIX BASINS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. THAT PROJECT HAS NO LESS THAN 30 DRAINAGE BASINS THAT ARE BIO INFILTRATION, SMALLER BASINS, GOOD SCATTERED THROUGHOUT. AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO DEAL WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MORE LOCALLY. YOU DON'T WANT WATER TRAVELING THROUGH PIPES, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF FEET, THOUSANDS OF FEET TO A BIG BASIN. FILTER IT THERE. SO YEAH, EXACTLY. SO IT GETS CAPTURED LOCALLY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DRAINAGE AREA REQUIREMENTS. NOW. THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN. IT'S ALSO IN THE ORDINANCES. YEAH. WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF ACRES OF, OF DRAINAGE FLOWING THROUGH A CERTAIN BASIN. IF YOU WANT TO, TO ACTUALLY COUNT AS A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND COUNT AS A WATER QUALITY BASIN, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF ACRES. SO THAT AGAIN, NECESSARILY LEADS TO WATER BEING TREATED MORE LOCALLY, INFILTRATED MORE LOCALLY. AND AND THEN AGAIN, THE PEAK RATES AGAIN ARE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE SITE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST AT ONE END WHERE YOU GET THAT, YOU GET THAT THERMAL EFFECT WHERE A LARGE POOL OF WATER IS IMPOUNDED, HEATED AND THEN DISCHARGED INTO THE STREAMS. THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR AQUATIC LIFE. SO WE'RE WE'RE DOING MUCH BETTER JOB NOW THAN WE DID, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS AGO. AND I'M SURE IN 30 YEARS THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE DOING A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN WE DID NOW. BUT I, I HOPE SO, YEAH, I, I REALLY HOPE SO. I DO AGREE AND I THINK THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS IS THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION TO. RIGHT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT PLANNED FOR, SO TO SPEAK. AND I THINK THE WAY THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING, WE REALLY DO NEED THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO BE THERE. AND I LOVE THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING ALMOST 30 OF THEM, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED BECAUSE THE WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. YEAH, YEAH.
SO OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT. NO. OKAY. THEN WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DON'T NEED TO CLOSE IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE. PERSONALLY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AHEAD OF HOPEFULLY MOST MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. SO SO YEAH GREAT. GREAT JOB OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT DATED DECEMBER 2025. SO MOVE SECOND. ROLL CALL
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PLEASE. THERE. MONEY? YES. ROBERTS. YES YES YES YES YES. KHAN. YES. AND I'M SORRY, WHO WAS THE SECOND? GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU GUYS. TWO MORE. TWO MORE MINUTES AND THEN WE ARE DONE. WE. NEXT ITEM IS THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OH, EITHER OR IT DOESN'T MATTER. OKAY. AND ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES. ROBERTS. YES. YES. TODD.YES. KHAN. YES. ALRIGHT. OUR NEXT MEETING IS JANUARY 12TH, 2026. SCARY TO SAY. AND THAT WILL BE THE REORGANIZATION MEETING AT 7 P.M. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND?
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