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          GOVERNOR OF CHENNAI. AND HE BECAME THE U.S. AND THAT'S INTERESTING. GOOD EVENING 
          [I.   ROLL CALL]
EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD FROM MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY. IT'S OUR REGULAR MEETING, SOMEWHAT IRREGULAR. SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2025. AND IT IS 7 P.M. IT IS OUR INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING BY 10 P.M. AT THE LATEST. WE'LL SEE HOW WE DO. WHEN WE GET THERE, UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT, NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS AND ROLL CALL, PLEASE. HERE. MONEY BATTLE HERE. 
          BLODGETT HERE. ROBERTS HERE. DEPUTY MAYOR BERRIGAN FOR MAYOR. SINGH HERE. TAYLOR. TODD HERE. 
          GLOCKLER HERE. KHAN AND CASEY. THANK YOU. COULD EVERYONE JOIN ME IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG? IT IS THE 133RD ANNIVERSARY OF THE FIRST RECITATION OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, I KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE A QUICK STATEMENT. WE HAVE A QUICK STATEMENT FROM OUR DEPUTY MAYOR. 
          SO, VINCE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. LET ME JUST PROVIDE TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PERSON AND AND LIVE STREAM TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT. I THINK, AS WE ALL KNOW, AS RESIDENTS OF MONTGOMERY, WE GOT HIT REALLY HARD WITH A STORM ON SATURDAY. I THINK THAT NO ONE WAS EXPECTING. I KNOW I WAS MONITORING THE THE WEATHER AND SAW THUNDERSTORMS AND BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE THUNDERSTORMS. MAKE SURE I'M BACK HOME IN TIME. AND I THINK WE ALL GOT CAUGHT PRETTY MUCH IN SURPRISE. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SYMPATHIES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN MOST IMPACTED. I WAS ABLE TO GET THE CHANCE TO WALK THROUGH THE MOST IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOODS, SPEAK TO FAMILIES. MOST IMPORTANTLY, NO ONE WAS INJURED, SO THANK GOD FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE SERIOUSLY DAMAGED HOME, AND LUCKILY THE FAMILY JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE OF THE BUILDING WHEN THAT WHEN THAT TREE FELL ON, ON ITSELF. SO I THINK WE'RE VERY LUCKY. I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND TO THANK ALL OF OUR FRONTLINE WORKERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR POLICE, OUR EMS, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS, OUR OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS. I WAS OUTSIDE, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD IT WAS, AND I STARTED DRIVING TO MY PARENTS HOUSE AND I QUICKLY TURNED AROUND WHEN I SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN 206. AND WHO DID I SEE? I SAW OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ALREADY IMMEDIATELY ACTIVATED AND THEY HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY 24 SEVEN. I HAVE BEEN ON THE CLOCK WITH THEM ON THE ON PHONES TEXT MESSAGES OVER THE LAST ALMOST 72 HOURS NOW. AND, AND WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THEM. AND THEY HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD. AND AS I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO ARE IMPACTED, THEY ALL HAVE SHARED THEIR COMPLIMENTS OF THE PROFESSIONALISM, HOW QUICKLY PEOPLE CAME. AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE WANTS POWER TO COME BACK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT THEY THEY'VE BEEN ALL VERY HAPPY WITH OUR OUR AGENTS, SISTER AGENCIES, PSEG, THE COUNTY, THE STATE HAVE ALL REALLY COME IN. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THEIR HOMES OR BUSINESSES. AGAIN, I EXPECT THAT THAT'S MINIMAL, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN. AND WHAT I MEAN SERIOUS THAT WE WILL BE WE HAVE I HAVE PERSONALLY HAVE PROVIDED GUIDANCE TO OUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER TO PROVIDE ALL EMERGENCY SUPPORT REQUIRED TO GET ANY PERMITS APPROVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT THOSE THOSE FAMILIES CAN GET BACK TO THEIR DAILY ROUTINES. SECONDLY, AS WE HOPEFULLY SOME OF YOU SAW IN OUR NOTES TODAY WILL BE WE PROVIDED GUIDANCE AROUND DEBRIS REMOVAL. SO WE HAVE PUBLISHED A FORM. SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE MOST IMPACTED, PLEASE SUBMIT INTO THAT FORM. AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORK WILL WILL PROVIDE DEBRIS REMOVAL, YOU KNOW, TO SUPPORT YOU. WE ARE ALSO OPENING UP OUR CONTAINER FACILITY ACTUALLY STARTED TODAY WITH EXTENDED HOURS FOR THE NEXT 2 TO 3 WEEKS IF WE'LL EXTEND IT IF NEEDED, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WHO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REMOVE THE DEBRIS THEMSELVES COULD DO SO. ACTUALLY, I THINK, SERGEANT VERDUCCI, YOU MIGHT COMING IN TO THE ROOM FOR A SECOND. LET ME SEE. WELL, SERGEANT VERDUCCI, ADAM VERDUCCI IS ALSO ONE OF OUR FIRE CHIEFS. HE'S OUTSIDE. HE'S ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO DESERVES OUR ROUND OF APPLAUSE 
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FOR FOR WORKING TIRELESSLY AS ONE, AS OUR OEM CHAIR. SO IF YOU COULD JOIN ME, PLEASE. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE ON DUTY RIGHT NOW, SO. THE THE FOURTH ONE, FOURTH THING I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IS THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING AROUND, TREAT PERMITTING AND THESE TIMES OF EMERGENCIES. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WE WILL BE PUBLISHING ANOTHER UPDATE. IF ANYONE HAS A DAMAGED TREE THAT'S FALLING, BROKEN, ETC. 
          YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE STORM UPROOTED, YOU DO NOT NEED A PERMIT TO TO HAVE THAT TREE REMOVED. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT THE THE TOWNSHIP BY. YOU KNOW WE HEARD THERE'S SOME MISINFORMATION ABOUT THAT I THINK AND I HAVE TALKED TO LARRY KOPLIK, WHO, YOU KNOW IS OUR CHAIR OF OUR OF OUR SHADE TREE COMMITTEE. AND JUST DISCUSSING I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S REALLY CLEAR IN THESE TIMES OF EMERGENCIES, IF THERE'S A DAMAGED TREE THAT'S AT RISK, THE TREE ORDINANCE PROVIDES THE EXCEPTION PROCESS TO REMOVE THAT WITHOUT A PERMIT. I DO SAY THAT ASKING THAT PEOPLE HONOR PROVIDED THE HONOR CODE ON THAT ONE, THAT THEY USE THAT FOR WHAT IT'S MEANT TO BE, AND NOT JUST TO KIND OF ACCELERATE THE PERMITTING PROCESS, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY. 
          LAST, AND I'LL CONCLUDE PROBABLY MORE THAN A TWO MINUTE PSA. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOU OFF SOON. I DO REALLY WANT TO THANK THE WHEN I AS I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF THE FAMILIES, THE ONE THING THAT RESONATED WERE WAS THE CARE THAT THEY RECEIVED, NOT JUST FROM FRONTLINE WORKERS, ETC. BUT FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS. I HEARD A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT NEIGHBORS COMING IN, FINDING OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, GETTING THEM HELP, SHARING GENERATORS, SHOULDER TO CRY ON. AND I THINK THAT REALLY MOVED ME AS I WAS MEETING WITH DIFFERENT FAMILIES. 
          SO I REALLY WANT TO COMMEND EVERYONE FOR KEEPING THAT NEIGHBORLY SPIRIT IN IN THE TOUGHEST OF TIMES. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIND MORE WAYS TO HELP SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. IF THERE'S SUGGESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT THE TOWNSHIP AND LET US KNOW. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS, VANCE. OKAY. TONIGHT'S MEETING IS GOING TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORMAT THAN OUR USUAL MEETINGS. CAN EVERYBODY IN THE BACK HEAR ME? EVERYONE'S GOOD. EVERYONE ON THE DAIS HERE CAN HEAR ME. CORRECT. OKAY, GOOD. WHILE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS TO APPROVE, MOST OF TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE A PRESENTATION OF POTENTIAL USES OF THE KEN VIEW SITE BY THE EQUITABLE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          NOW, THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THAT THERE IS NO FORMAL APPLICATION FOR US TO HEAR, SO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY PROFESSIONALS ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN TO GIVE THEIR REVIEWS AND NO BOARD DISCUSSION ON THE MERITS OF ANYTHING PRESENTED TONIGHT. AS I SAID, THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION OF POTENTIAL USES OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN BE PROVIDED WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE WILL APPROVE THE MINUTES TO THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA. THEN THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT POTENTIAL CONCEPTS FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. AFTER THAT, I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. EVERYONE WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND I ASK YOU TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THAT TIME FRAME. I ALSO ASK THAT EVERYONE TAKE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND NOT ASK FOR THE MICROPHONE REPEATEDLY. AND I KNOW WE SAY THIS EVERY TIME, BUT PLEASE, IF YOUR COMMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM REPEATING THE COMMENT VERBATIM. I WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. SO WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL AND WE NEED TO BE EFFICIENT. SO DARA, WHERE'S DARA? ONE ONE, ONE SHOT, ONE PERSON OKAY. AND AGAIN, I REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS IS NOT A FORMAL APPLICATION. SO THE PLANNING BOARD WILL NOT BE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRESENTATION AND WILL NOT BE OFFERING ITS OPINION ON THE MERITS OF THE CONCEPTS. SO TO BEGIN, ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER FROM THE 
          [V.   MINUTES]
AGENDA. AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE NEED TO APPROVE. SO STARTING WITH THE MINUTES TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 23RD, 20 2025, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M SORRY. THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE CHANGE. VICE CHAIR MONEY WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING, SO WE'LL REMOVE HIM FROM ANY REFERENCE ON THAT. OKAY. YOU'RE OUT OF THERE. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE HAD A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM SARAH. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SOMEONE SECOND. SECOND. THANK YOU. TONY, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
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GAUKLER. YES, ROBERT. YES. TAYLOR. TODD. YES. AND CAMPEIUS. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALSO OF THE JUNE 26TH, 2025 SPECIAL MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? SO MOVE. 
          SECOND. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL PLEASE. BATTLE. YES. BLODGETT. YES. BLACKLER. YES. ROBERTS. 
          YES. TAYLOR. TODD. YES. AND CAMPEIUS. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS, SHERRI. OKAY. NORMALLY WE OPEN UP WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SINCE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A FORMAL AGENDA, WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE'S GOING 
          [IV.  CONCEPTUAL PRESENTATION OF KENVUE SITE PLANS  ]
TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TO OUR DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE PLANNING BOARD AND STAFF FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS ELI KHAN AND THIS IS MY PARTNER, MATT ADAMS. WE OWN A COMPANY CALLED ECON DEVELOPMENT CORP, AND WE ARE EQUITABLE OWNERS OF THE KEN VIEW CAMPUS ON GRANDVIEW ROAD. REAL BRIEFLY, WE DID THIS THE OTHER NIGHT AT THE SECOND TOWN HALL, BUT WE SPECIALIZE IN PURCHASING FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE CORPORATE REAL ESTATE ASSETS THAT DOT THE COUNTRY. BUT WE REALLY SPECIALIZE IT IN KIND OF THE SUBURBAN PHILADELPHIA TRI-STATE AREA. THESE ARE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WIDELY AND AGGRESSIVELY USED BY THEIR BUILDERS AND THEIR OWNERS FOR MANY, MANY DECADES. AND THEY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY FUNCTIONALLY HAVE NO ADAPTIVE REUSE. AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE HERE WITH THE KEN VIEW CAMPUS HERE IN SKILLMAN, MATT'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH A VERY EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION. AND THE PRESENTATION MATT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU TONIGHT REALLY MIRRORS THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE TO THE TOWNSHIP STAFF OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, STARTING BACK IN AUGUST OF 24, WHERE WE PRESENTED A BUY WRITE INDUSTRIAL PLAN, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE REALLY BUYING THE PROPERTY. I SAID THIS THE OTHER NIGHT, I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN, WE DID NOT COME INTO THIS TOWNSHIP WITH THE IDEA OF BUILDING 417 HOUSES AND BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. WE CAME IN AND AGREED TO BUY THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF THE KEN VIEW CAMPUS AND WHAT IT HAS FUNCTIONALLY BEEN USED FOR IN ZONED FOR SINCE THE MID 70S THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, IN THE VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS WE MADE TO THE TOWNSHIP, THE TOWNSHIP ULTIMATELY PREFERRED THE PLAN THAT THEY ACCEPTED INTO THE FOURTH ROUND PLAN. WE BELIEVE, BECAUSE IT FULFILLED THAT NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT IS BY FAR AND AWAY THE LEAST DENSE, INTENSE AND IMPACTFUL PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE PRESENTED IN THE ORDER THAT WE PRESENTED. AND MATT'S GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE HOPING MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS END UP AGREEING WITH THE DECISION THE TOWNSHIP MADE, SIMPLY IN TERMS OF THE INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RELATIVE TO WHAT IT'S REALLY ZONED FOR OR CURRENTLY USED FOR. THANK YOU. GREAT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. AGAIN, ECHO WHAT ELI SAID THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT TONIGHT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL PACKETS IF ANYONE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. IT'S ABOUT A 25 PAGE SLIDE DECK FOR EVERYONE TO KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG. EACH ONE IS NUMBERED SO WE CAN REFER BACK TO THEM DURING THE Q&A. SO WE'LL START OFF. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HIGH LEVEL. WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PARAMETERS OF THE SITE AS IT RELATES TO OVERALL SITE PLANS, SOME HISTORIC AERIALS ALL THE WAY THROUGH CURRENT EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE PLANS THAT WE HAD PRESENTED BACK SINCE AUGUST OF 2024 TO BOTH TOWNSHIP STAFF AND SELECT ELECTED OFFICIALS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP. SO FOLLOW ALONG. I'M GOING TO JUMP TO THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS JUST THE PROPERTY, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM IS FAMILIAR WITH IT. BUT FROM A TAX PARCEL PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE THREE PARCELS ON THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE THIS ON THE SCREEN OR YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE IT IN THE PACKET THERE, BUT THIS PARCEL HERE, WHERE THE CURSOR IS OVER, IS ABOUT 125 ACRES. 
          THAT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW. THERE IS A 257 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PARCEL, WHICH IS THE MAIN DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE OFFICE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE SOUTH BUILDING, WHICH IS A 
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455,000 SQUARE FOOT FORMER DIAPER MANUFACTURING PLANT. AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL PARCEL ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS ONLY A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES, AND THAT WAS PURCHASED BY KEN VIEWS PREDECESSOR FOR FUTURE TIE IN TO PUBLIC SEWER. SO WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS ON THE UTILITIES AS WE GET DEEPER INTO THE PRESENTATION. BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY KIND OF A LAY OF THE LAND AS IT RELATES TO THE THREE PARCELS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REFERENCING TONIGHT. THE NEXT SLIDE HERE IS JUST AN EXCERPT FROM YOUR TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE ZONING MAP. EVERYBODY KIND OF REFERS TO THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AS THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, I'D SAY ABOUT ONE THIRD MOUNTAIN RESIDENTIAL AND THEN TWO THIRDS R5. SO MOUNTAIN RESIDENTIAL ARE TEN ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOTS BY RIGHT. R5 IS FIVE ACRE LOTS BY RIGHT. AND THEN THE BULK OF THE PROPERTY BEING 257 ACRES, IS CURRENTLY ZONED UNDER YOUR LIMITED MANUFACTURING ZONING ORDINANCE. WE PRINTED THIS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH IT, BUT AS ELI MENTIONED, THIS IS WHAT ORIGINALLY ATTRACTED US TO THE PROPERTY. JUST THE MULTITUDES OF USES THAT ARE PERMITTED ON THE SITE, ESPECIALLY THE REAR BUILDING, WHICH AGAIN CAN BE REFERENCES AS THE SOUTH BUILDING. YOU'LL HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER TONIGHT, AND THAT IS THE 455,000 SQUARE FOOT FORMER DIAPER PLANT JUMPING BACK TO 1974, BEFORE THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED. YOU'LL NOTICE IN YOUR PACKETS A HISTORIC AERIAL SHOWING KIND OF FARMED LAND FROM PROPERTY BOUNDARY TO BOUNDARY, YOU KNOW, TO THE TOE AND SLOPE OF EACH ONE OF THE WETLAND AND STREAM AREAS. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT. WHERE IS IT? HERE? THERE ARE NO PONDS ON THE SITE. SO THE THREE PONDS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN SOME OF THE THE LATER AERIALS ARE NOT CURRENTLY ON THIS PLAN. SO IT WAS 1974, JUST FARMLAND JUMPING TO 1979. THIS IS THE NEXT CONSECUTIVE AERIAL THAT WE COULD FIND. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SOUTH BUILDING RIGHT HERE, 455,000FT■!S, IS IN FULL OPERAT. THERE'S ABOUT 60 LOADING POSITIONS HERE FOR TRAILER STORAGE, FUNCTIONING AS A DIAPER MANUFACTURING PLANT. AND THEN RIGHT DOWN HERE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE. BUT THIS IS A RAIL SPUR CONNECTING TO THE ACTIVE CSX RAIL LINE THAT RUNS CONTIGUOUS TO THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE TO THE NORTH THE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH WE REFERENCED, THE OFFICE AND R&D FACILITY, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 279,000FT■!S, IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN 1979 AND WE BELIEVE IT WAS COMPLETED IN 1980 TO 1981. YOU CAN START TO SEE KIND OF THE REMNANTS OF SOME OF THESE PONDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SITE, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT IN 1970, STORMWATER ORDINANCES WERE GET THE BUILDING AS FAST AS YOU CAN AWAY FROM THE BUILDING OFF THE PARKING LOT, INTO PIPES, INTO, YOU KNOW, STORM SWALES AND INTO THE DETENTION BASIN THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY FEED INTO THE STREAMS. THERE IS NO WATER QUALITY CONTROLS. THERE'S NO GROUNDWATER INFILTRATION REGULATIONS AT THIS TIME. SO AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST A COLLECTION AND CONVEYANCE SYSTEM WHEN IT WAS BUILT. THIS IS JUMPING TO 1984 WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS FULLY BUILT OUT AND OPERATIONAL. JUST AGAIN, THE REFERENCE POINTS WOULD JUST BE THE LANDSCAPING IS KIND OF TAKEN PLACE. YOU SEE THE THE THREE PONDS HERE AND THEN THE BUILDINGS ARE ALL UP AND OPERATIONAL. THE ONLY THING YOU DON'T SEE ON THIS PLAN, WHICH WE'LL JUMP TO IN THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A EXISTING CONDITIONS SITE PLAN. AND WE'RE GOING TO REFER TO NUMBER ONE ON YOUR PACKET. THIS IS PAGE SEVEN. 
          THE NORTH BUILDING NUMBER TWO IS AN ANCILLARY BUILDING WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY R&D. SO OUT OF THE 279,000FT■!S, ROUGHLY 100,00 OF THAT IS R&D LABS. NUMBER THREE IS A DAYCARE FACILITY, CHILD DEVELOPMENT CENTER. THAT'S ABOUT 18,000FT■!S. AND WE'RE GOING TO JUMP AROUND HERE. 
          FIVE IS THE SOUTH BUILDING THAT WE REFERENCED, A 11 OVER HERE IS THE CURRENT ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION COMING IN FROM PSEG. THERE IS A THREE MEGAWATT SOLAR ARRAY WHERE YOU SEE NUMBER TEN. 
          AND THEN NUMBER NINE AND SEVEN RELATE TO THE ON SITE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO JUST WANT TO GET EVERYBODY FAMILIAR. WE'RE GOING TO JUMP TO ANOTHER AERIAL WHICH IS CURRENT DAY. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE EXISTING PARKING ON SITE. I BELIEVE ELI MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, OVER 1400 SPACES. WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEPER DIVE, AND THERE'S ROUGHLY A LITTLE UNDER 2000 PARKING SPACES EXISTING ON THE SITE, EITHER PAVED OR IN GRAVEL LOTS, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO ADD ABOUT ANOTHER 155 SPACES AS IT SITS TODAY. AS IT RELATES TO UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE PUBLIC WATER, GAS AND 
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ELECTRIC? SO WE'RE HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE PROPERTY IS SERVICED BY NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WATER. WE CURRENTLY HAVE INDUSTRIAL GAS SERVICE THROUGH PSEG ELECTRIC IS A DUAL FED SERVICE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S FED FROM TWO DIFFERENT SUBSTATIONS, WHICH IS VERY CRITICAL FOR MANUFACTURING OPERATIONS, SIMILAR TO GLENVIEW, WHERE IF ONE SUBSTATION WERE TO GO DOWN, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE BACKUP POWER. 69.5 KV IS A HIGH TENSION SERVICE AND WAS REALLY THE PRIMARY DRIVER AS TO WHAT ATTRACTED US TO THIS SITE. TO GET THAT SERVICE TODAY MIGHT TAKE FIVE YEARS. IT'S ABOUT A 20 MEGAWATT SERVICE, IF YOU COULD GET IT, IF THERE WAS CAPACITY ON THE NETWORKS TO BRING IT TO THE SITE. SO FOR A MANUFACTURING USER LOOKING TO LOCATE DOMESTICALLY, WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICAL PRESSURE TO BRING MANUFACTURING BACK, TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF PLUG IN AND BE UP AND OPERATIONAL WITHIN 8 TO 12 MONTHS VERSUS FIVE YEARS IS A BIG DEAL. THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHEN I REFER TO THE SOUTH BUILDING, THE LARGEST BUILDING ON THE SITE, IS AN INSTITUTIONAL QUALITY BUILDING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR IS NOT ITS CURRENT USE. IT WAS RETROFITTED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS FOR MOSTLY OFFICE AND LAB FUNCTIONS. SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY SEEING THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING FROM THE FACILITY. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTENDED INITIALLY, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE. THE RAIL LINE WAS THERE, AND ON SITE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT IS CURRENTLY ON SITE AND PERMITTED FOR 62,000 GALLONS PER DAY TO SERVICE THE FACILITY, WITH 73,000 GALLONS CAPACITY. WE ARE WORKING WITH TOWNSHIP CONSULTANTS AND OUR OWN INTERNAL CONSULTANTS TO NAVIGATE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN OUR SITE AND THE SKILLMAN VILLAGE PLANT TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THE CAPACITY FROM THIS ON SITE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO A PUBLIC SKILLMAN VILLAGE PLANT. THIS IS JUST AGAIN, CURRENT DAY. 
          I FLIPPED THE ORIENTATION. THIS IS FACING SOUTH, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT. THIS IS THE NORTH BUILDING HERE. THE DAYCARE, THE SOUTH BUILDING, THE SOLAR ARRAY AND THE ON SITE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY ORIENTED. SO AS ELI MENTIONED, THE FIRST THING WE DO WHEN WE ACQUIRE PROPERTY AND AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO AUGUST OF 2024, IS TO GO IN AND MEET WITH THE HOST COMMUNITY. SO IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. WE TOOK THE EXISTING ZONING, KNOWING THAT THE VALUE THAT WE UNDERWROTE THE PROPERTY WAS REALLY IN THIS BACK BUILDING AND KIND OF SHOWED A SERIES OF ADDITIONAL FUTURE BUILD OUT FOR FLEX LIGHT MANUFACTURING BUILDINGS. THIS TOTAL BUILDOUT WOULD LIKELY BE A 10 TO 15 YEAR TIMELINE, BUT THE BACK BUILDING, WHICH AGAIN, WE REFER TO AS THE SOUTH BUILDING, WOULD COME ONLINE SOONEST, GIVEN THAT IT'S ALREADY UP AND HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. SO WE CAME IN, WE MET WITH TOWNSHIP STAFF AND SELECT ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PRESENT THE PLAN BASED SOLELY ON YOUR CURRENT ZONING. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THIS PLAN AND IN YOUR PACKET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW IN THE MR. DISTRICT. THESE WERE FOUR LOTS, ALL TEN ACRE ZONING. AND THEN WE HAD NINE FIVE ACRE LOTS IN THE R5 ZONING FOR A TOTAL OF 13 UNITS ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN ROUGHLY ABOUT ONE POINT 6,000,000FT■!S OF INDUSTRIAL SPACE. WHEN WE GO INTO ANY MUNICIPALITY, THE FIRST THING THAT'S GOING TO COME UP IS TRAFFIC. SO BEFORE WE EVEN MET WITH THE TOWNSHIP, WE HAD REACHED OUT TO DOLAN AND DEAN, A LOCAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A CAPACITY NETWORK STUDY AS WELL AS A A TRIP GENERATION MEMORANDUM. ALL OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND WERE PRESENTED TO THE MUNICIPALITY SHOWING THAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AS WELL AS FUTURE BUILD OUT, THERE ARE CAPACITY ON THE ROADS AND UPWARDS OF 400 TRUCKS PER DAY ON A 24 HOUR PERIOD. NOT TRYING TO SCARE ANYBODY THAT IS BASED ON AN IT MANUAL THAT ALL TRAFFIC ENGINEERS USE. I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEER STIPULATES USES BY WAREHOUSE, INDUSTRIAL, LIGHT MANUFACTURING, OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL AND IT WILL TAKE A SUBSET OF MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND AGGREGATE THE DATA TO COME UP WITH AN AVERAGE GENERATION OF TRIPS PER DAY LEAVING THAT FACILITY OR THAT TYPE OF USE. SO BASED ON THIS LAND USE CODE FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING, WE RAN THE TRIP GENERATION MODELS AND SHOWED THE CAPACITY NETWORKS ON THE EXISTING ROADS AND THE INTERSECTION AT 601 AND GRANDVIEW DO WORK. SO THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKETS. WE CAN REVIEW THOSE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE BY RIGHT PLAN. THIS IS WHY WE ORIGINALLY WERE ATTRACTED TO THE SITE. WE CAME IN, WE MET. AND AS ELI MENTIONED, IT IS VERY IT IS THE MOST IMPACTFUL FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE IN THIS PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND AS PART OF THAT MEETING, WHEN WE LEFT, IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE TO DO HERE? AND WE WERE TASKED TO COME BACK TO THE TOWNSHIP. 
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STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL TO COME BACK TO PRESENT ALTERNATIVES. SO WE SPENT ABOUT THREE WEEKS COMING UP WITH ALTERNATIVES, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IN PREVIOUS TOWN HALL MEETINGS, ONE OF WHICH, EXCUSE ME, LET'S LET'S JUST JUMP TO THAT. SO JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. THESE ARE FLEX LIGHT MANUFACTURING EXAMPLES. JUST SO YOU WOULD GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OF WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS. THESE BUILDINGS TYPICALLY HAVE AN OFFICE PRESENCE UP FRONT, WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE WHERE YOU HAVE VEHICLE PARKING, A NICE, YOU KNOW, COMPANY CORPORATE ENTRANCE. AND THESE BUILDINGS COULD BE BROKEN UP INTO MULTIPLE TENANTS. IT COULD BE A SINGLE TENANT, BUT THAT USE WOULD BE OFFICE. THERE'D BE SOME TYPE OF LIGHT ASSEMBLY AND THERE WOULD BE A WAREHOUSE COMPONENT TO THIS LIGHT MANUFACTURING, LIMITED MANUFACTURING USE. THE WAREHOUSE IS TYPICALLY RECEIVING RAW MATERIALS AND DELIVERING AND PICKING UP FINISHED PRODUCT. SO THESE ARE VERY FLEXIBLE BUILDINGS IS WHY THEY CALL THEM FLEX BUILDINGS. SO WE CAN BREAK THEM UP. THEY CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OFFICE. THEY'RE PARKED AGAIN ON ONE SIDE AND ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. I'LL SHOW YOU THAT NEXT IS KIND OF YOUR TYPICAL LOADING COURT. SO NOT KNOWING WHO THE USERS ARE, YOU TYPICALLY WOULD DESIGN A MINIMUM NUMBER OF DOORS, EITHER LOADING DOCK HEIGHT OR DRIVE IN TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER MANUFACTURING PROCESS WOULD ULTIMATELY END UP IN THESE BUILDINGS. AS FAR AS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AS WE SHOWED IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN, ON THE RIGHT PLAN, THESE BUILDINGS WOULD LIKELY BE BUILT TO SUIT ESSENTIALLY IDENTIFYING A TENANT, HAVING THE APPROVALS IN PLACE AND BUILDING THE BUILDING SPECIFIC FOR THE USER. FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS 120,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND WE IDENTIFIED A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT USER, WE WOULD BUILD THAT BUILDING AND THEN WE'D HAVE THE REMAINING SPACE TO LEASE. THESE MAY NOT BE BUILT ON SPEC INITIALLY IT WOULD, AND THAT'S WHY I REFERENCED THAT TIMEFRAME, ABOUT 10 TO 15 YEARS OF A TOTAL BUILD OUT. SO UNDER THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TOWNSHIP TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE CONCEPTS, OUR GOAL WAS TO LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENT AREA TO KIND OF WHERE IT WAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED. SO WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THIS RING ROAD AND THESE ARE JUST CONCEPT PLANS. THESE AREN'T LAND DEVELOPMENT PLANS. THESE WERE JUST CONVERSATION STARTERS. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS ESSENTIALLY US KEEPING THE BACK BUILDING, WHICH IS THE SOUTH BUILDING, EXPANDING UPON IT, HAVING ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE OFF OF GRANDVIEW. AND THEN INSTEAD OF THE OFFICE BUILDING, REPLACING THAT WITH A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH WAS A MIX OF SMALL LOT SINGLES, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY AN EIGHTH TO A QUARTER ACRE LOT. AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW, WE HAD A A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE DENSE TOWNHOUSE CARRIAGE, HOME TYPE SETUP. AND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS WAS, MAYBE ROUGHLY 150 ACRES OF OF OPEN SPACE THAT WE WOULD DEDICATE TO THE TOWNSHIP. AND THEN WE ALSO PROVIDED AN ALL RESIDENTIAL CONCEPT. IF THE COMMUNITY DID NOT WANT ANY TRUCKS OR ANY INDUSTRIAL USES ON THE PROPERTY. AND THIS PLAN WAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WHERE THE OFFICE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WAS, AS WELL AS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW. BUT IN EXCHANGE FOR THE SOUTH BUILDING, WE REPLACED THAT WITH AN ACTIVE ADULT COMPONENT. TYPICALLY, ACTIVE ADULT IS LOOKED AT FAVORABLY FROM A TAX PERSPECTIVE. YOU'RE STILL GETTING RATABLES FROM EACH ONE OF THE UNITS, BUT NO SCHOOL CHILDREN. SO WE PROPOSED AN ACTIVE ADULT AS WELL AS A KIND OF A MARKET RATE PRODUCT IN THE FRONT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THE TOWNSHIP DID NOT LEAD US IN ANY DIRECTION. THESE WERE OUR CONCEPTS BASED UPON MARKET KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT COULD WORK HERE. WHEN THE TOWNSHIP WAS NOT PARTICULARLY ENTHRALLED WITH OUR BY RIGHT PLAN AND ASKED US TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE CONCEPTS. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A SHOPPING CENTER HERE. OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT APARTMENT BUILDINGS HERE. WE ALREADY HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN PLACE. OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE DEAD FROM A MARKET PERSPECTIVE. SO THESE TWO ADDITIONAL CONCEPTS CAME FROM MATT AND I AND OUR STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANTS AS ALTERNATIVES TO THE BY RIGHT PLAN THAT ARE FUNCTIONALLY VIABLE AND DOABLE FROM A REDEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE. TOWNSHIP DID NOT ASK US TO DO ANY OF THESE. SO AS PART OF THE SECOND PRESENTATION THAT WE PRESENTED, OBVIOUSLY THESE ALTERNATIVE CONCEPTS, THE NEXT QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS WERE, WHAT IS THE TAX AND FISCAL IMPACT OF THESE TWO PROJECTS VERSUS EXISTING? SO WE ENGAGED A LOCAL PLANNER TO PUT TOGETHER A TAX IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH IS AGAIN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, THE KIND OF LOOK AT TAX REVENUES VERSUS EXPENDITURES FOR SERVICES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
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AND COMPARE THOSE. SO THAT WAS PROVIDED AS A FOLLOW UP TO THESE TWO CONCEPTS,IN, WE'RE BOTH INITIATED BY US AS THE DEVELOPER. AND THEN A SECONDARY QUESTION CAME UP REGARDING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND IS THERE CAPACITY AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS? WE ALSO INCLUDED THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP SCHOOL DISTRICT DEMOGRAPHIC AND ENROLLMENT REPORT, WHICH SHOWS THAT THE HIGHEST CAPACITY WAS IN 2008. AND THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL AVAILABILITY TO, I FORGET, THE NUMBER. WAS IT LIKE 1000 OR 1000? YEAH. YEAH. SO AFTER THE COURSE OF ABOUT THREE MONTHS, WE WORKED FROM AN ALL RESIDENTIAL CONCEPT TO WHAT YOU SEE TODAY AS THE HOUSING ELEMENT, FAIR SHARE PLAN, CONCEPT PLAN. SORRY, THE TOTAL UNITS ON THE ALL RESIDENTIAL WAS 617 UNITS IN TOTAL. AND THIS IS THE PLAN THAT EVERYBODY'S SEEN AS PART OF THE FAIR SHARE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN JUNE 26TH OF THIS YEAR, SHOWING 417 TOTAL UNITS, THE REMOVAL OF THAT ENCLAVE OF HOUSES THAT WERE ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE ENTIRE 125 ACRE PARCEL DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP, AND THEN THE PASSIVE KIND OF OPEN SPACE THAT WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE HOA ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, KIND OF FOLLOWING MY CURSOR. SO AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC REPORTS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE SUMMARIES I THINK WILL JUST BE VERY HIGH LEVEL, JUST TOTAL TRIPS AS WE COMPARE ALL THE DIFFERENT USES. SO IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 19, THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AT THE KEN VIEW CAMPUS, GENERATING A TOTAL OF 5468 TOTAL TRIPS ON A 24 HOUR BASIS COMPARED TO THE FUTURE BUILD OUT, WHICH CLIMBS UP TO OVER 8000 TOTAL TRIPS PER DAY ON A 24 HOUR BASIS. AND THEN WE KIND OF INCREMENTALLY SLIDE DOWN AS WE INCORPORATED THE MIXED USE PLAN, WHICH WAS AGAIN SAVING THE BACK SOUTH BUILDING, EXPAND UPON IT, AND THEN ADDING RESIDENTIAL IN EXCHANGE FOR THE OFFICE AREA. THIS WAS OUR CONCEPT PLAN THREE, WHICH IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, 617 UNITS. AND THEN THIS FINAL COLUMN TO THE RIGHT. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THE GRAPHS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE TONIGHT IS THE FAIR SHARE PLAN SHOWING ROUGHLY 3200 AND CHANGE TOTAL TRIPS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD COMPARED TO THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES. SO WHEN TRAFFIC ENGINEERS BREAK OUT AND ON 24 HOURS, IT'S USUALLY MOST RELEVANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE TRAFFIC GOING TO BE LIKE DURING RUSH HOURS. SO ALL TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND TRAFFIC REPORTS REQUIRE AND PEAK HOUR ANALYSIS AND PM PEAK HOUR ANALYSIS. SO IN THE MORNING, THAT WOULD BE FROM 7 A.M. TO 9 A.M. AND IN THE PM IT WOULD BE FROM 4 P.M. TO 6 P.M. SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 24 HOURS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE IN TOTAL TRIPS VERSUS AM AND PM PEAK. 
          AND REALLY THE DIFFERENCE FOR THAT IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SHIFT WORK ON, YOU KNOW, EITHER AN OFFICE OR A FLEX MANUFACTURING WHERE EVERYONE'S COMING INTO THE SITE AT THE SAME TIME AND EVERYBODY'S EXITING THE SITE AT THE SAME TIME VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, WHERE FOLKS MIGHT BE LEAVING, WORKING FROM HOME, ETC. SO YOU'RE SEEING A SUBSTANTIAL DECREASE IN TOTAL AM PEAK TRIPS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY 30% LESS THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY, AND 19% OF WHAT WOULD BE THERE IF IT WAS FULLY BUILT OUT AS BY RIGHT USE AND PRETTY SIMILAR NUMBERS AS YOU LOOK AT THE PEAK HOURS. SO THIS IS TOTAL TRUCK TRIPS BASED ON THE LAND USE CODE FOR LIMITED MANUFACTURING. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO THE ULTIMATE USERS ARE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A SUBSET OF MULTIPLE USERS THAT THE IT MANUAL AGGREGATES. SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WHICH IS 144 ARE NOT THERE TODAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED FOR. THERE ARE LOADING DOCKS. THE BUILDING EASILY CONVERTS BACK TO AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. SO BASED ON THAT LAND USE CODE, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 144 TRUCKS BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON A 24 HOUR PERIOD. AS A FULL BUILD OUT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 402 TRUCKS PER DAY, THE MIXED USE PLAN AT 168, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WAS THAT WE WERE EXPANDING THAT SOUTH BUILDING. THAT'S WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN ADDITIONAL TRIPS WERE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE ALL RESIDENTIAL AND THE FAIR SHARE DO NOT HAVE ANY TRUCKS. SO THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AREAS. SO ANY DRIVEWAYS, ANY BUILDINGS, ANY PARKING LOT AREAS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN PERVIOUS COVERAGE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE AS IT EXISTS 
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TODAY, A LITTLE OVER 36 ACRES ARE IMPERVIOUS. IF WE WERE TO BUILD OUT BY RIGHT UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING ON THAT PLAN WAS ABOUT 102 ACRES, AND THEN THE FAIR SHARE PLAN IS ACTUALLY LESS ALMOST 28 ACRES OR 22% REDUCTION IN OVERALL IMPERVIOUS THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY. 
          AND I HATE I SAID, I SAID I WASN'T GOING TO STOP YOU, BUT COULD YOU TAKE JUST A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WHAT IT MEANS, WHAT A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE COULD MEAN. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND. YEAH, SURE. SO IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LAND USE AND YOU LOOK AT ZONING, YOUR BUILDABLE AREA MAXES OUT AT A CERTAIN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. SO FOR A TYPICAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE MEANS THAT WATER DOES NOT GO INTO THE SOIL. EXACTLY. SO ANYTHING SO ASPHALT, CONCRETE BUILDING AREA, ROOF AREA, ETC. 
          SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE EASILY TO CALCULATE, ESPECIALLY AS FROM THE EXISTING SURVEY FOR THE KEN VIEW CAMPUS. AND THAT'S WHERE IT WAS, AROUND 36 ACRES. BUT I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS THAT WERE INSTALLED HERE FOR A MAJORITY, THEY DID DO A PARKING LOT EXPANSION, WHICH MEETS, YOU KNOW, MORE CURRENT NJDEP CODES DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR WATER QUALITY. THEY DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR INFILTRATION. SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE TODAY ON THE 36 ACRES OF IMPERVIOUS IS REALLY GETTING SHEET FLOW TO INLETS BY GRADING, CONVEYING THROUGH PIPES, THROUGH SWALES TO THOSE DETENTION BASINS. SO ON A NEW PROJECT LIKE WE WERE. 
          SO ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN, ALL OF THESE AREAS WOULD HAVE UP TO DATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS FOR INFILTRATION, GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, ETC. VERSUS WHAT'S THERE TODAY. BUT AGAIN, AS FAR AS IMPERVIOUS, THIS PLAN IS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 22% OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY. 
          THANKS. THIS IS THE EXISTING TAX ASSESSMENT. AND AGAIN WE'RE JUST THESE ARE ALL THE FACTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE TOWNSHIP. AND WE'RE SHARING THEM WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH THE BOARD. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING TAX ASSESSMENTS. WHAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          THESE ARE THE THREE PARCELS THAT WE'VE LAID OUT. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET ON PAGE 23. IT HAS THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AT $41.6 MILLION, BRINGING IN AN OVERALL TAX REVENUE OF $1.45 MILLION. THIS IS THE SECOND LARGEST TAX GENERATING PARCEL IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. AND IT'S ALSO OVER ASSESSED, WHICH WE BELIEVE BY OVER 60%. SO A TAX APPEAL WILL BE COMING. THE ASSESSED VALUE ON A TRUE MARKET VALUE IS $69.4 MILLION, AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE PROPERTY. SO IN THE SHORT TERM, THE PROPERTY ASSESSMENT WILL GO DOWN. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE. JUST SO EVERYBODY WAS AWARE AS IT RELATES TO THE EXISTING TAX ASSESSMENT AND ALL OF THE TAX ASSESSMENTS ON THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLANS ARE INCLUDED IN THE TAX AND FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE FUTURE GENERATION OF TAXES AND HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THOSE BACK UP TO MEET AND EXCEED WHAT'S THERE TODAY. AND THAT WAS OUR GOAL. HOW FAST COULD WE GET THE TAXES BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE, KNOWING THAT THE OFFICE BUILDING REALLY HAS NO VALUE? AND WHEN WE SAY AN ELI MENTIONS THAT IT HAS NO VALUE. WHEN YOU BUILD A SPECIALTY PURPOSE OFFICE BUILDING LIKE THIS IN THE 1970S, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE AERIALS AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE TOP. THIS IS A SAWTOOTH DESIGN WHERE EVERYBODY HAD A CORNER OFFICE. TODAY'S OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, OPEN PLANS. YOU HAVE HUGE ATRIUMS WITHIN THE BUILDING, CEILING HEIGHTS AND JUST THE WAY THAT IT WAS DESIGNED AS A AS A SINGLE TENANT USE, THESE BUILDINGS ARE BEING TRADED AT THE COST OF LAND MINUS DEMO. AND WE'RE SEEING IT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          SO ULTIMATELY THESE BUILDINGS WILL NOT BE REPURPOSED AS OFFICE AND JUST BASED ON THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY. LOOKING AT ABOUT A ROUGHLY 7 TO $800,000 A YEAR DIFFERENCE IN TAXES VERSUS WHAT'S COMING IN TODAY, I'D LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY JUMP IN ON SOMETHING MATT JUST SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TELL PEOPLE THAT WE ARE APPEALING TAXES, PEOPLE GET ALL JAMMED UP ABOUT THAT. THE PROPERTY IS WAY OVER ASSESSED. OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS TO PRESENT A PLAN WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME SHORT TERM TAX REVENUE PAYING FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY A WAY FOR US TO GET THE TAXES BACK UP TO OR EXCEED WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO CARRY A PROPERTY THAT IS OVER ASSESSED, JUST LIKE IF ONE OF YOUR HOMES WAS OVER ASSESSED, YOU'D HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO AND ASK FOR THAT APPEAL. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A LONG TERM REASSESSMENT. WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO OUR HOST COMMUNITY, REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND GET THE GET THE SCHOOL PRIMARILY THE SCHOOL 
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TAXES UP TO TO AT LEAST AT OR HIGHER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE WE STARTED. OKAY, SO THE FINAL SLIDE HERE IN THE DECK IS REALLY THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP CONSERVATION PLAN BY THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE. AND THIS WAS KIND OF THE INSPIRATION AS TO WHY WE PRESENTED OUR CONCEPT PLANS WITH THE OPEN SPACE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW AND TO THE WEST. IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH PROPOSED GREENWAY THAT THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND KIND OF ABUTS EXISTING GREENWAY TO THE NORTH. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PLANS THROUGHOUT THE SLIDE DECK, YOU'LL NOTICE THE OPEN SPACE HAS BEEN DEDICATED. THIS WAS AGAIN TO FULFILL KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE'S DESIRE TO HAVE THAT PROPOSED GREENWAY AS PART OF A CONNECTION, EITHER PASSIVE OR ACTIVE. WE JUST DEDICATED IT TO THE TOWNSHIP AND THEN TO THE WEST AS WELL, TO KEEP THAT BUFFER ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY. THAT REALLY CONCLUDES THE SLIDE DECK, I THINK, DAVE, WE WERE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC FOR KIND OF Q&A. YEP. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY. I JUST HAD ONE LAST THING TO SAY AGAIN. WE SPENT A YEAR WITH THE TOWNSHIP, A YEAR PRESENTING THESE PLANS. THE TOWNSHIP, WE BELIEVE, GOT TO A PLACE AND SUPPORTED A 417 UNIT RESIDENTIAL PLAN THAT HAD SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCLUDED IN IT. AS THE ABSOLUTE BEST THING FOR THE TOWNSHIP. FOR THIS PROPERTY, RELATIVE TO THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY SAW OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, THE COMMUNITY REALLY DIDN'T GET THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE TO THE TO THE TOWNSHIP STAFF. AND IT'S REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE RARE INSTANCES IN OUR CAREER THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GO INTO A COMMUNITY, TAKE AN EXISTING PROPERTY WITH 2000 PARKING SPACES AND 800,000FT■!S THAT COULD BE OCCUPIED TOMORROW, POTENTIALLY, AND HAVE DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING BY THE RESIDENTIAL PLAN. THIS NEVER WORKS OUT THIS WAY. THE EXISTING PROPERTY, THE WAY IT WAS, EVEN IF SOMEBODY CAME ALONG AND WANTED TO OCCUPY IT EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS, IS DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IF WE BUILD IT OUT, WHICH AGAIN, WAS OUR ORIGINAL INTENT, IT'S TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. WE DIDN'T CREATE. THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDINGS ARE THERE. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO UTILIZE THE BUILDINGS. SO THIS IS A REAL RARE OPPORTUNITY THAT THE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE IMPACT GOES DOWN WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. DARA, WE ARE YOU READY? I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE. YEAH. HOLD ON ONE SECOND, DARA. AND PLEASE SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. AND THREE MINUTES STARTS NOW. GOOD EVENING, SHELLEY JACOBSON HERE. MY LATE HUSBAND, MARVIN WAS AN ARCHITECT AND MANAGING PARTNER AT KUH IN PRINCETON FOR 35 YEARS. THEIR MAJOR CLIENTS WERE BIG PHARMA. MY WHOLE ADULT LIFE, I WAS CLOSELY INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE ARCHITECTURAL CREATIVE PROCESS, FROM CONCEPT TO RIBBON CUTTING. WHEN WE MOVED TO SKILLMAN IN 1978, WE WERE THRILLED TO DISCOVER THAT THE I.M. PEI CAMPUS WAS RIGHT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I.M. PEI WAS ONE OF THE OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTORS OF MID-TWENTIETH CENTURY ARCHITECTURE. HE HAD THAT SPECIAL GIFT TO TAKE SOMETHING AS MUNDANE AS A HEADQUARTERS BUILDING AND MAKE IT INTO AN OBJECT OF BEAUTY, A WORK OF ART REFLECTING ITS ENVIRONMENT AND COUPLED WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, CREATES A WORK OF GENIUS INSTEAD OF THE GENERIC USUAL BOXES SO TYPICAL OF SUBURBAN OFFICE PARKS, WE HAVE A SUBLIME MASTER WORK OF A GREAT RENOWNED ARCHITECT. AND NOW, MR. KAHN, YOU PLAN TO DEMOLISH THE ENTIRE CAMPUS AND REPLACE IT WITH A HIGH DENSITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THOUSANDS OF OTHERS. WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT BRINGS TO OUR TOWN TO ACCEPT SPRAWL, LIGHT POLLUTION, NOISE POLLUTION, AIR POLLUTION AND CONGESTION UNFIT FOR THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE SOURLANDS. I'VE SEEN PICTURES ON YOUR WEBSITE OF THE MANY BIG PROJECTS YOUR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY HAS SUCCESSFULLY BUILT APARTMENT BUILDINGS, OFFICE BUILDINGS, RETAIL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. BUT THE QUESTION HERE TODAY IS, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT BULLDOZING THIS I.M. PEI MASTER PLAN. I'M AN ARTIST AND A TEACHER EDUCATOR. 
          WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SUGGEST TO YOU IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN YOUR PROPOSAL TO US. WHEN I LOOK AT THE PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR OF THE I.M. PEI BUILDING, I SEE A WORK OF ART 
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THAT SHOULD BE A HOME FOR ART, A PLACE WHERE ART IS EXHIBITED AND STUDIED AND CREATED AND CELEBRATED. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS THAT YOU JOIN US IN A JOURNEY TO REPURPOSE THE I.M. PEI BUILDING INTO AN ART CENTER. MR. KHAN WORK WITH US TO ESTABLISH THE JOHNSON AND JOHNSON ELI KAHN SKILLMAN ART CENTER, A GALLERY, A PLACE WHERE ARTISTS CAN WORK AND STUDY, A VENUE FOR ARTISTS, CONCERTS, EVENTS, READINGS AND CELEBRATIONS. LET'S CREATE A SPECIAL PLACE UNLIKE ANYTHING IN MONTGOMERY AND EVEN IN SOMERSET COUNTY AND UNIQUE IN NEW JERSEY. THIS IS THE NATURE OF A PROJECT THAT BEST SERVES OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR TOWNSHIP. 
          MR. KAHN, WE ASK ONLY THAT YOU PLEASE SIT WITH THIS IDEA AS YOU THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, ABOUT BOX, ABOUT ITS UNIQUENESS AND WHAT YOU WILL GLEAN FROM THIS. WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY TO BE? SOMEONE WHOSE LEGACY IS THE DEMISE AND DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD RENOWNED ARCHITECT I.M. PEI, JNJ WORLD HEADQUARTERS DIVISION OF PERSONAL CARE PRODUCTS. 
          INSTEAD, WORK WITH US. MAKE PART OF YOUR LEGACY TO BECOME A PATRON OF THE ARTS. JOIN US IN A JOURNEY TO SAVE THIS I.M. PEI MASTER WORK. AT THE SAME TIME, CREATE A LEGACY THAT YOU WILL BE PROUD OF. SIT WITH THIS. SIT WITH THIS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN OF THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE AND VERY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR PERSISTENT EFFORT TO TRY TO PRESERVE THE 125 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. BUT I'M TALKING NOW, TONIGHT, JUST TO INTRODUCE A CONSIDERATION THAT MIGHT ADD. TO A DISCUSSION THAT ALREADY HAS A LOT OF FLAVOR TO IT. I AM ALSO A RESIDENT OF OF LAUENBURG ON ROUTE 518 HISTORIC LAUENBURG. 
          IN 1978, WHEN MY FAMILY MOVED THERE, THE MASTER PLAN WAS BEING REVIEWED FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND THERE WERE TWO BYPASS ALTERNATIVES FOR THE VILLAGE OF LAUENBURG, BOTH TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE NORTH OF LAUENBURG. LAND, AND THAT DISCUSSIONS AT THE TIME WERE DEBATING WHETHER TO KEEP THOSE BYPASS ALTERNATIVES ON THE PLAN OR NOT, AND SO I GOT INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION AND REPRESENTED AS BEST I COULD, THE VILLAGE AND OUR CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. THEY WERE ELIMINATED, AND IT WAS THEN THE ATTENTION OF MYSELF AND A NUMBER OF MY NEIGHBORS. WHAT COULD WE DO TO TRY TO AT LEAST ENSURE SOME PROTECTION FOR THE HISTORIC QUALITY OF THE VILLAGE? WE ENGAGED URSULA BRECKNELL, THEN A VERY EMINENT AND WONDERFUL HISTORIAN, TO COME WORK WITH US AND SEE IF WE COULD GET THE VILLAGE ACCREDITED ON THE STATE AND NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTERS. AND WE SUCCEEDED, AND WE HAVE BEEN ON THOSE REGISTERS FOR TWO DECADES, AT LEAST I BELIEVE. SO. I'M ASKING YOU, EVERYONE, IN TERMS OF THE DISCUSSIONS OF ALL OF THESE ALTERNATIVES, TO LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF THE VILLAGE. AT THIS POINT, WE'VE HAD MUCH HIGHER IMPACTS FROM THE TWO QUARRIES THAT TRAFFIC THE ROAD TREMENDOUSLY. WE WE DID HAVE A PROPOSAL BY THE COUNTY TO DO IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, AND BY BEING ON THE REGISTERS, WE HAD A GREAT INFLUENCE AND IMPACT ON THE ENGINEERING OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT DID TAKE PLACE. MUCH MORE EXTREME WIDENING OF THE ROAD AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED WERE NOT DONE. AND INSTEAD, THE HISTORIC SITES COUNCIL IN TRENTON REFERRED THE COUNTY ENGINEERS TO US. AND OUR THE NEIGHBORS GOT TOGETHER AND WE PROPOSED SIX MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TO BE DONE THAT WOULD ENHANCE AND MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE VILLAGE. AND THEY FOLLOWED ALL OF THE. SO IT WAS A GREAT INPUT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE BECAUSE OF OUR THAT DISTINCTION. ANYHOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GETS THESE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE VILLAGE, GET PUT INTO THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR YOUR ALTERNATIVES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEVE BALES. I'M A 
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MEMBER OF THE LAND CONSERVANCY. YOU BRING THE. SORRY, I'M A MEMBER OF THE LAND CONSERVANCY. 
          AND I WANTED TO BRING AND SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THEIR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS WITH THE WITH THE MEETING TONIGHT. AND SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT IS THREE MINUTES AND I'LL GIVE YOU ABOUT A 32ND WARNING. HOW'S THAT? THAT SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP HAS LONG BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE SOURLANDS, THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA THAT INCLUDES MUCH OF THE SKILLMAN AREA OF THE TOWNSHIP AND EXTENDS THROUGH SIX OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND THREE COUNTIES TO THE DELAWARE RIVER. THE AREA IS WELL WORTH PROTECTING, AND IT INCLUDES THE LARGEST CONTIGUOUS FOREST IN CENTRAL JERSEY, AND IS HOME TO MANY RARE AND ENDANGERED SPECIES OF ANIMALS AND PLANTS. MONTGOMERY HAS DEMONSTRATED ITS COMMITMENT TO THE LAND REPEATEDLY THROUGH ITS OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION PRIORITIES, ITS ZONING, AND ITS ORDINANCES, INCLUDING THE PROTECTION OF STREAM CORRIDORS. JUST THIS YEAR, THE TOWNSHIP PUT UP SIGNAGE TO IDENTIFY THE SOURLANDS REGION YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN ENTERING THE SEWER LINES, AND PASSED A RESOLUTION URGING THE STATE PLANNING COMMISSION TO INCLUDE THE SOURLANDS AMONG THE STATE'S PLANS. AREA OF SPECIAL CONCERN, ALSO KNOWN AS SPECIAL RESOURCE AREAS. THE CONSERVANCY, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO PROTECTING THE SOURLANDS, IS PROFOUNDLY GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT. IN LIGHT OF THIS HISTORY OF ADVOCACY, WE ARE NOW DEEPLY PUZZLED BY THE TOWNSHIP'S RECENT ADOPTION TO PUT 417 UNITS OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN THE SOURLANDS AS PART OF ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITMENTS, THE LAND CONSERVANCY RECOGNIZES THE NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND SUPPORTS THE IDEA THAT EACH TOWNSHIP PROVIDE ITS FAIR SHARE. 
          PEOPLE IN LOWER PAYING SERVICE JOBS, INCLUDING THOSE IN EDUCATION, CHILD CARE, EMERGENCY SERVICES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND NONPROFIT WORK, SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE. THE NOTION THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BRINGS AN UNDESIRABLE ELEMENT IS ODIOUS AND INSULTING TO THOSE WHO PROVIDE THESE VITAL SERVICES. AS IMPORTANT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR PUTTING A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOLOMONS. WE ARE ENCOURAGED THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS NOW CONSIDERING BETTER ALTERNATIVES. 
          WE URGE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP TO RETURN TO ITS STAUNCH SUPPORT OF THE SOURLANDS BY REMOVING THE ELEMENT OF ITS FAIR SHARE HOUSING PLAN. THANK YOU. HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATHY LYNCH L Y N C H. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE TALK ABOUT THE SOLAR FIELD YOU MENTIONED TONIGHT. IT'S THREE MEGAWATTS, WHICH IS A LOT. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT? AND IF IT IS DISSEMBLED, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER KIND OF RENEWABLE OR OTHER SOLAR SOURCE INCLUDED IN THIS? ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU DO. AND AT THIS POINT IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT PLAN. BUT THE EXISTING SOLAR ARRAY, I THINK WAS INSTALLED IN 2005. SO IT'S KIND OF AT ITS END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE, AND MOST OF IT IS ON THE BUILDING OUT OF THAT THREE MEGAWATT ARRAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL HERE, MOST OF IT, THE THREE MEGAWATTS IS ON TOP OF THE ROOF. SO THIS BUILDING WOULD COME DOWN. SO THAT WOULD THOSE WOULD GO AWAY. AND THEN THE SOLAR FIELD WHICH IS GROUND MOUNTED PV. OH SORRY. EXCUSE ME. THE GROUND MOUNTED PV WOULD GO AWAY AS WELL. SAID MY SECOND. THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION IS WOULD YOU BE CONSIDERING AN ALTERNATIVE SOLAR SOURCE? WHEN YOU BUILD WHATEVER YOU BUILD, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO CONTINUING THAT SINCE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE OUR. ENVIRONMENTAL BEAUTY AND LESSEN OUR FOOTPRINT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. SO YEAH, I MEAN, WE PRESENTED A COUPLE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU ON ANY OF OUR INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BUILT OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE ALWAYS MADE THEM PV READY. SO YOU'RE BUILDING ROOF STRUCTURES TO SUPPORT, AND YOU'RE BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AHEAD OF ELECTRICAL GEAR TO BE ABLE TO HAVE INVERTERS FOR DC TO AC CONVERSION FOR PV CELLS. AND IT'S REALLY WHERE WE RUN INTO COMPLICATIONS IS DEPENDING ON IF IT'S A PHARMA TYPE USE THAT HAS A LOT OF ROOF PENETRATIONS. YOU NEED TO WAIT TO IDENTIFY A USER TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE ARRAYS GO. BUT WE HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE ADEQUATELY PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ON. WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS THE ROOF STRUCTURE, NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. BUT AS FAR AS THE THE ALTERNATIVE PLANS, OUTSIDE OF A LARGE ROOF AREA LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING FOR RESIDENTIAL, I THINK THAT WOULD ALL BE PART OF, YOU KNOW, THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A FORUM LIKE THIS TO ACTUALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AS OF YET. THESE ARE REALLY JUST CONVERSATION STARTERS AND JUST BASIC SKETCH PLANS. THESE PLANS ARE ALL HAND DRAWN. MY NAME IS EVAN KAVANAGH. THANK, 
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THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT. I'M HERE TO SHARE THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF THE HISTORICAL FLOODING AND THE FUTURE THREAT IT POSES TO THE CURRENT. CAN VIEW PROPERTY. AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THIS AREA. BORN AT PRINCETON HOSPITAL, LIVED ON HOLLOW ROAD AND NOW ON PIN OAK ROAD, I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THE DESTRUCTIVE POWER OF NATURE, PARTICULARLY INTENSE RAINFALL. STORMS CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY, DELIVERING HIGH VOLUMES OF RAIN THAT CAUSE WIDESPREAD DAMAGE THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP, INCLUDING THE CAN VIEW SITE. WE EXPERIENCED THIS FIRSTHAND JUST YESTERDAY. CONTINUED LAND DEVELOPMENT WITH RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH INCLUDES THE POTENTIAL FLEX SLASH LIMITED MANUFACTURING PROPOSALS ONLY MAGNIFIES THE POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING, LEADING TO ECONOMIC HARDSHIPS, STRESSING OUR ALREADY STRAINED INFRASTRUCTURE AND JEOPARDIZING THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS. SHOULD WE CONSIDER THE FLEX OPTION? I'D LIKE THE ZONING BOARD TO REALLY PRESSURE TEST THE PLAN AND UNDERSTAND WHERE ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE TO REDUCE FLOODING, BECAUSE IT WILL OCCUR AGAIN. HAVING STARTED MY CAREER AT J&J CONSUMER COMPANIES AS A SUMMER INTERN IN 1997, I HAVE PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THIS SITE AS THAT INTERNSHIP HELPED PROPEL MY CAREER IN HEALTHCARE. OVER THE YEARS UNDER J&J OWNERSHIP, THE SITE HAS EXPERIENCED CLOSURES UP TO EIGHT MONTHS DUE TO FLOOD DAMAGE AND RELATED REPAIRS. 
          DESPITE J&J BEING A LARGE, FINANCIALLY CAPABLE ORGANIZATION, THE EXTENSIVE DOWNTIME HIGHLIGHTS THE SEVERE IMPACT FLOODING CAN HAVE. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE PROLONGED HARDSHIPS THIS WOULD CAUSE FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS WHO WOULD FACE INSURANCE CLAIMS AND FEMA SUBMISSIONS FOR POTENTIALLY YEARS. FLOODING BECAME SO CRITICAL, A CRITICAL ISSUE THAT J&J INSTALLED TEMPORARY FLOOD BARRIERS AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE. IN 2022 ALONE, IT IS ESTIMATED THAT J&J SPENT UP TO $25 MILLION TO REMEDIATE DAMAGES CAUSED BY HURRICANE IAN'S FLOODWATERS. IT IS CONCERNING THAT LARGE PORTIONS OF THE SITE, INCLUDING EXISTING STRUCTURES AND INTERIOR ROADS INCLUDED IN BLOCK 14001, ARE IN VERIFIED DEP FLOOD HAZARD AND RIPARIAN ZONES. HOPE I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY. LOST MY SPOT. SORRY, WHICH MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ARE DESIGNATED AND DESIGNED TO PROTECT? THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLANS BY ECON APPEAR TO INCLUDE BUILDINGS IN THESE VULNERABLE AREAS AND STREAM CORRIDORS. I STRUGGLED TO UNDERSTAND HOW SUCH PROPOSALS ARE BEING CONSIDERED, AND IT RAISES CONCERNS THAT THE DEVELOPERS MAY BE CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE, POTENTIALLY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PROTECTED AND BEAUTIFUL SOURLAND MOUNTAINS AND ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS. FURTHERMORE, I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE CURRENT DEED RESTRICTION. I HAVE THE NUMBER OF NEEDED WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE DELAWARE AND RARITAN CANAL COMMISSION, WHICH MANDATES THE MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING STORMWATER MAINTENANCE FACILITIES. THE DEVELOPERS PROPOSING TO BUILD OVER THESE CRITICAL FACILITIES OR REMOVE EXISTING SOLAR PANELS. I PROMISE I'LL BE SUPER QUICK. MANY OF US EXPERIENCED THE WIDESPREAD DISRUPTION OF HURRICANE IAN, WITH ROADS IMPASSABLE AND BASEMENTS INUNDATED. I WAS UNABLE TO REACH MY MOTHER WHO WHO NEEDED ASSISTANCE, WHO ONLY LIVES ONE MILE FROM ME. IMAGINE THE HUNDREDS OF MORE LIVES THAT WOULD FACE SUCH NIGHTMARES IF RESIDENTIAL HOMES WERE CONSTRUCTED AT CAMP SITE. THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY OF HURRICANES AND BAD STORMS IN THIS AREA IS NOT IF THEY WILL HAPPEN, IT'S WHEN THEY WILL HAPPEN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, I APPRECIATE. HELLO, MY NAME IS JOANNA AND I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE NUMBERS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. I QUICKLY RAN SOME CALCULATIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THE NUMBERS JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO ACCORDING TO THE PACKET, THE OLD RESIDENTIAL PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO GENERATE $9.5 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE. SO IF WE HAVE BETWEEN 477 UNITS OR 417 UNITS, THAT MEANS THAT MEANS THAT EACH UNIT WOULD HAVE TO PAY BETWEEN 20,000 TO $23,000 PER HOUSE. 
          HOW IS THAT AFFORDABLE? SO THE NUMBERS I THINK LIKE THE THE REVENUE IS WAY OVER STATED NOW IN THE EXISTING CONDITION, IT GENERATES ONLY $1.1 MILLION IN REVENUE, AND THEN ANOTHER USE CAN GENERATE MORE REVENUE. THAT MEANS THAT WE DEFINITELY GIVING YOU A HUGE DISCOUNT HERE. ON 
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THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE TRAFFIC, IF IT WAS ALL LIVE MANUFACTURING, WOULD INCREASE THAT DRAMATICALLY BASED ON THE DESIGN THAT YOU PRESENTED IN HILLSBOROUGH, THERE ARE SITES THAT HAVE VERY SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE ONE THAT YOU JUST PROPOSED, AND I DON'T SEE MANY, MANY TRAFFIC, I MEAN, MANY TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT. AT THE RATE THAT YOU PROJECTING, ON THE CONTRARY, THOSE SITES CANNOT FIND BUSINESSES THAT WOULD OCCUPY THOSE SITES. SO THE THE OWNERS OF THOSE SITES, THEY RENT THOSE SPACES TO LIKE PLACES LIKE JIM WINE MANUFACTURING, LIKE SOME KIDS ACTIVITIES AT LOCAL BAKERIES. THERE IS REALLY NO HIGH TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING INTO THOSE SITES BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE THERE. AND BECAUSE YOU ALREADY TRY TO RENT THAT SITE FOR OVER A YEAR AND YOU WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. I DO NOT SEE HOW YOU CAN BE SUCCESSFUL BUILDING THE DESIGN THAT YOU PROPOSING AND BRING SO MUCH BUSINESS HERE. 
          HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE WORKING THERE TO GENERATE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC? THE NUMBERS JUST IN MY VIEW, ARE OVERINFLATED AND THEY JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE JUST TO SCARE US. THANK YOU. 
          NAME IS HAROLD WASSERMAN. SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET A BIG PROPERTY TAX DEDUCTION ON THIS PROPERTY, WOULDN'T THAT MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SELL AS IT IS? AND DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT THE SEWER WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO SKILLMAN VILLAGE? CORRECT. ARE YOU. OH, I THINK THAT LADY WHO JUST SPOKE WAS RIGHT. I DID A CALCULATION. $21,000 PER UNIT. THAT IS WRONG, FOLKS. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE. ARE YOU FINISHED, SIR? I'M SORRY. NO. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS BECOME QUITE TRANSIENT AND PEOPLE COME HERE TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS AND THEN THEY LEAVE, AND. THERE IS A CONSTANT INFLUX OF NEW STUDENTS. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF YOUR ESTIMATES ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS. I THINK LIKE WHAT SHE SAID, IT'S A SCARE TACTIC OR A A KIND OF A AMELIORATION OF THIS THING WHERE IN FACT IT WOULD MAKE IT WOULD COST US OUR PROPERTY TAXES WOULD PROBABLY WIND UP GOING UP. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. CHRIS NEWMAN I AGREE WITH MISS BULLOCK COMPLETELY. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT THIS IS A LOT OF SCARE TACTICS HERE. THE PROPERTY WASN'T FOR SALE THAT LONG, AND IF YOU REALLY SPENT THE LAST YEAR WORKING ON THIS PLAN, IT'S ANOTHER YEAR THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR SALE TO MAYBE SOMEBODY WHO'D HAVE SOMETHING WE APPROVE OF, RATHER THAN THIS NIGHTMARE. THE REPORT, I THINK, IS CHERRY PICKED TO SCARE US. I FIND IT KIND OF HYSTERICALLY FUNNY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 600 HOUSES AND HAVE NO TRUCK TRAFFIC. I MEAN, MY NEIGHBORS ALONE WITH THEIR AMAZON DELIVERIES, UPS DELIVERIES CAN GENERATE THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC. SO THOSE ARE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE COMING IN THE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO DOWN. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAT ON 601 AT THE START OF SCHOOL AND SAW THE TRUCKS, I MEAN, THE CARS BACK UP TO THAT BEND AND BEYOND. THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC WILL BE UNBELIEVABLE. IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT IT SAYS IT WON'T. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU THINK WE ONLY CARE ABOUT TAXES AND TRAFFIC. WE OBVIOUSLY CARE ABOUT WATER. WE CARE ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT. WE CARE ABOUT THE IMPACT ON OUR EMS, OUR FIRE, OUR TEACHERS, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUMPED UP AND THAT'S GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A GROSS OF 9 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE. THAT'S THAT'S THE GROSS, NOT THE NET. AND OUR COST MAY INDEED GO UP. SO I THINK THIS IS A VERY CHERRY PICKED REPORT, COMPLETELY DESIGNED TO SCARE US. 
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IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME MY HOUSES, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS MANUFACTURING THING. THERE'S GOING TO BE 6000 TRUCKS A DAY, I DON'T THINK I CERTAINLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN ACCURATE OR FULL REPORT. I THINK IT'S DESIGNED TO SCARE US. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THE COUNTRY RUBES THAT MAYBE YOU THINK WE ARE. I REMEMBER YOU HERE LAST TIME. I FOUND YOUR ATTITUDE VERY CONDESCENDING. I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGED A WHOLE LOT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. STONE RIDGE ROAD. I'M CONFUSED BY THE BY RIGHT CONCEPT PLAN. BY RIGHT. DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS? FORMALLY PRESENTING TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITHOUT ANY QUALIFICATIONS FROM THE TOWNSHIP? NO, IT MEANS THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS. WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. THE SUBMISSION OF STORMWATER DESIGN AND CALCULATIONS. THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE ENGINEERING PROCESS THAT GOES. BUT WE WOULD NOT BE SEEKING ANY RELIEF FROM YOUR ZONING CODE. WE WOULD NOT BE STANDING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD OR THE ZONING BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY SAYING, HEY, FOLKS, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE PROPERTY. THIS IS WHAT YOUR ZONING ALLOWS ON THE PROPERTY TODAY. IT'S NOT UNQUALIFIED. IT STILL NEEDS AN INTENSE ENGINEERING REVIEW TO MAKE SURE ALL THE SETBACKS, ALL THE COVERAGES, ALL THE STORMWATER CALCS COMPLY WITH YOUR ORDINANCE. SO IF PROPOSED WITHOUT ANY ZONING REQUIREMENTS, ANY CHANGES IN THE ZONING AS IT'S CORRECT? GOOD EVENING. 
          CHRISTINA, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID UP UNTIL NOW. I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS WITH THE BY RIGHT PLAN. YOU STATED THERE WERE 402 TRUCKS IN 24 HOURS AND 8000 ISH TRIPS A DAY. CORRECT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE 400 TRUCKS AND APPROXIMATELY 7600 CARS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD? YEAH. WHERE ARE THOSE CARS GOING? SO AGAIN, 7600 WORKERS. SO THAT'S MULTIPLE TRIPS, RIGHT? SO IT'S A TRIP IN A TRIP OUT, LUNCH DELIVERIES, ETC. SO WE JUST WE ENGAGED DOLAN AND DEAN. WE'VE NEVER WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE. THEY'RE A REGIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIRM. WE'VE ACTUALLY ASKED YOUR TOWNSHIP TO REVIEW THEIR REPORT AGAINST THE IT MANUAL AND MNDOT REGULATION. SO THESE FIGURES AND THEY'RE IN THE REPORT ARE CLASSIFIED UNDER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. SO AGAIN THIS IS A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT USES THAT THEY AGGREGATE THE DATA. SO THAT NUMBER OF USES ON 1.6 PLUS OR MINUS MILLION SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT MANUFACTURING NETS THAT TRAFFIC FOR MNDOT OR ANY ROAD DESIGN OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE DONE. THAT IS KIND OF WHAT THEY USE TO ANALYZE THAT. COULD IT BE LESS SURE? WOULD IT BE MORE? AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL A USER WOULD BE IDENTIFIED. AND CAN YOU DEFINE TRUCKS. SO A TRUCK IS NOT A VAN. SO AGAIN A TRUCK WOULD BE ANYTHING FROM I THINK IT'S AT 40FT AND UP. SO A 53 FOOT TRAILER. ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE LOADING DOCK HEIGHT TO DELIVER EITHER RAW MATERIALS OR PICKUP FINISHED PRODUCTS FROM THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES. SO IN THE ONE PHOTO THAT I SHOWED, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS IS THIS THIS IS DOCK HEIGHT. SO THAT'S FOUR FEET OFF THE GROUND SO THAT YOU COULD TAKE A BOX TRUCK, STRAIGHT TRUCK, OR, YOU KNOW, UP TO A 53 FOOT TRACTOR TRAILER. 
          OKAY. SO WE LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, OUR LAND. SO WE ARE ALL VERY KEEN ON, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENT, NATURE, ALL THAT STUFF. COULD YOU LET US KNOW ON YOUR PREVIOUS PROPERTIES? FIRST OF ALL, HOW MANY OF YOUR PREVIOUS PROJECTS WERE IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, SUCH AS THE SALT? I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS. WE HAVE LOTS OF DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE'VE CREATED OPEN SPACE, MAYBE NOT AS WIDE SCALE AS THE SOURLANDS, BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE AND AGAIN, FOLKS, WE'RE PROPOSING 210 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, DEDICATED OPEN SPACE IN THE PLAN THAT WE'VE PRESENTED. THAT'S IN YOUR ROUND FOUR PLAN. 
          HOW CAN THAT NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE SOURLANDS OVER WHAT'S THERE TODAY? 210 ACRES OF DEDICATED OPEN SPACE AND PERFORMING CURRENT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO ENHANCE THE WATER QUALITY OF EVERYTHING THAT COMES OFF THAT PROPERTY TODAY, WHICH HAS ZERO WATER QUALITY COMING OFF THAT PROPERTY TODAY. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS, OUR LANDS AND IT WOULD SEEM LOGICAL. AGAIN, IT'S UNEMOTIONAL TO US, BUT IT SEEMED LOGICAL TO US THAT DEDICATING OVER 200 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE WOULD ENHANCE THE 
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SOURLANDS, NOT DETRACT FROM THEM. OTHER QUESTIONS. HOW MANY OF YOUR OTHER PROPERTIES USE RENEWABLE ENERGY OR POROUS ASPHALT? WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE SOLAR, SOLAR ONLY. AND WHAT? POROUS PAVING? YEAH. POROUS PAVING AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY, THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. 
          IS THERE ANYWHERE I CAN. OH, MIKE ALLISON, IS THERE ANYWHERE IN HERE THAT I COULD SEE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT UP? WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET. AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST CONCEPTUAL. JUST AS FAR AS THE OVERALL USES OF THE PROPERTY. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAD, JUST A GENERIC THIS IS A VERY GENERIC FLEX BUILDING. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TYPICALLY IT'S OFFICE IN THE FRONT LIGHT ASSEMBLY AND A WAREHOUSE PORTION IN THE BACK TO ACCOMMODATE LOADING. I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ILLEGITIMATE QUESTION. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT. 
          PAGE 12. I THINK IT IS THE. YEP. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I GOTTA BE STRAIGHT WITH YOU. IT LOOKS PRETTY CHEAPO TO ME. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I AM PAY. THAT IS IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IN PAY. YEAH. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE ASKING IS THAT. I DON'T I DON'T SEE A PICTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT UP THERE. THAT'S THE PICTURE RIGHT THERE. THIS IS THE PRODUCT THAT. YEP. THAT THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. THAT'S A MANUFACTURING BUILDING. I'M PRETTY SURE I AM PAID IN DESIGN, MANY MANUFACTURING BUILDINGS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, SIR. HOW ABOUT HOUSES? ARE THEY IN HERE AT ALL? NO, THEY WOULD BE MARKET RATE HOUSING LIKE YOU WOULD SEE AT ANY NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE IN THE REGION. COULD I SEE A PICTURE OF THAT? I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE PICTURES OF THAT. I MEAN, YOU COULD DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND SEE ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I LIVE HERE, YOU DON'T I? SURE, I SURE AS HELL LIKE TO SEE A PICTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP THERE BEFORE I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO PRESENT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. WE'RE HAPPY TO. WE DIDN'T BRING PICTURES OF HOUSES BECAUSE THE DATE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WANTS THE HOUSES. THEY WOULD PREFER SOMETHING OTHER THAN HOUSES. SO IS TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF OF WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEND THE TOWNSHIP TO YOUR NEXT IMAGES OF HOUSES, OF THE TYPES OF HOUSING THAT 100% EVERYTHING THAT WE PROPOSE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PRESENT. YOU'RE WELCOME SIR. HI, JENNIFER. L W I N E L L SORT OF JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU. AND AND MAYBE THE PLANNING BOARD. I'M LOOKING OVER. I'M GOING BACK TO THE TRAFFIC. A LOT OF WHAT THEY SAY IS JUST VERY NON-COMMITTAL. IT SAYS, WELL, WE'LL LOOK AT THIS AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT IMPACTS. THERE'S MAJOR INTERSECTIONS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT GETS STUDIED AND THEY FIND THAT IT CAN'T SUPPORT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE? WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS THAT ADDRESSED TO US? I MEAN, I'M JUST RAISING THE QUESTION. I, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR MY OWN CURIOSITY, IF I'LL ANSWER BECAUSE IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE DEVELOPER TO PRESENT THE DATA TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES, CONSULTANTS, TRAFFIC, CIVIL ENGINEERING, STORMWATER, LANDSCAPE EXPERTS, ALL THE MANY CONSULTANTS THAT THE TOWNSHIP RETAINS TO REVIEW ANY PLAN THAT COMES BEFORE THE TOWNSHIP, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO JUSTIFY THE IMPACT THAT THEIR PROJECT IS HAVING ON THE COMMUNITY IN ALL ASPECTS OF IT. THE IDEA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BAIT AND SWITCH PEOPLE IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE. WE CAME IN HERE WITH ONE PLAN, ONE PLAN, AND WE PRESENTED ONE PLAN TO THE COMMUNITY, THE BY RIGHT PLAN. AND IF THIS ROOM AND THIS BOARD BEHIND US WANTS THE BY RIGHT PLAN. A YEAR AGO, THAT'S WHAT WE CAME INTO. NOW, THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE WASTED A YEAR, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME OUT OF THE FOURTH ROUND PLANNED EASILY. WE SPENT A YEAR PRESENTING THIS TO THE COMMUNITY. SO AFTER INVESTING A YEAR, WE ARE NOW IN THE FAIR HOUSING PLAN AND WE INTEND TO STAY IN THE FAIR HOUSING PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE BASICALLY WASTED A YEAR WHERE WE COULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED THIS PLAN A YEAR AGO, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE HAD. THE TOWNSHIP SAID TO US, WE LOVE IT. WE HAVE OTHER TOWNSHIPS THAT WE SUBMIT INDUSTRIAL PLANS TO, AND 
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THEY'RE LIKE, WE LOVE IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. SO THIS IS NOT A BAIT AND SWITCH. THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND YOUR CONSULTANTS WILL REVIEW THESE NUMBERS AND WE MAY BE OFF A LITTLE BIT. THEY MAY BE OFF A LITTLE BIT. WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. WE USED CONSULTANTS, LICENSED ENGINEERS, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, ECONOMIC IMPACT CONSULTANTS WHO TOOK YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS INFORMATION, WHICH IS WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON. SO IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE LISTEN WE WE STAND IN THESE COMMUNITIES ALL THE TIME. YOU CAN PAINT US AS THE BAD GUYS. CAN. YOU DECIDED TO SELL A CAMPUS. THEY DECIDED TO SELL IT. 
          IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO SELL THE CAMPUS TO WHOMEVER THEY WANT AT WHATEVER PRICE THEY WANT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE IT ON THE MARKET. THEY HAVE OTHER PLANS. JUST AS IF YOU WANTED TO SELL YOUR HOUSE AND MOVE TO COLORADO. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT WHENEVER YOU WANT AND SELL YOUR HOUSE FOR WHATEVER PRICE YOU HAVE. CAN YOU MADE A DECISION? THEY SOLD IT TO US AND WE CAME IN UNDER YOUR CURRENT ZONING. SO YOU CAN PAINT US AS BAD GUYS. IT'S FINE. IT HAPPENS TO US ALL THE TIME. BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING CORRECTLY. WE ENGAGED OUR HOST COMMUNITY A YEAR AGO, AND WE ENDED UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS THE LEAST DENSE PLAN, MOST MOST SUPPORTIVE OF OPEN SPACE CONSERVATION. GEORGE, YOU SENT US. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WAITED A YEAR OR JUST PLANS TO LET YOU ENGAGE A COMMUNITY. IT SEEMS TO ME IT COULD BE WRONG THAT YOU ENGAGE THE TOWNSHIP, AND THE TOWNSHIP DID NOT ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF US WERE TOTALLY UNAWARE UNTIL RECENTLY OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BEING DONE WITH REGARD TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. SO IN MY MIND. TOWNSHIP DID NOT LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED AND WHAT DECISIONS WERE BEING MADE. ANYBODY ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. I'LL LET ANYONE SPEAK TWICE IF THEY WANT BECAUSE WE HAVE TIME. WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. NOPE. ALL RIGHT FOLKS. WELL YEP. OH, SORRY. FOLLOW UP. I DID ASK A QUESTION BEFORE. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO, AND YOU HAVE CLIENTS WHO ARE GOING TO GO IN AND DO THIS, WHY WOULD YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY AND SPEND A YEAR COMING UP WITH A HOUSING RESIDENTIAL PLAN? BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP ASKED US TO, SIR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE INSTEAD OF BULLYING OUR WAY INTO A COMMUNITY, INSTEAD OF COMING INTO A COMMUNITY AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE DO AND WE DON'T CARE WHAT OUR HOST COMMUNITY WANTS, THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE. WE ASK OUR HOST COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN FIGHTING AND ARGUING. SO WE ASKED OUR HOST COMMUNITY, MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, AND YOUR OFFICIALS, THIS IS WHAT WE DO. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BUYING THE PROPERTY FOR. THEY ASKED US IF WE WOULD CONSIDER SOMETHING ELSE, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. 
          I'M ILEANA CORVINO, WE'RE TOGETHER. I LIVE UP ON PINE OAK TOGETHER. 
          QUESTION IS PROBABLY FOR THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEMBERS LESS OUR DEVELOPING TEAM HERE, NO MATTER WHAT DIRECTION WE GO. DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PLAN? I MEAN, YOU'VE SPENT THE PAST YEAR THAT YOU SAID GOING THROUGH OPTIONS AND GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT PLANS. NOW THAT YOU'VE HEARD THE COMMUNITY AND YOU HEAR A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE COMING BACK WITH, IS THERE A PLAN FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT THESE PLANS AND MAYBE STEP FORWARD AND MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO PLAN DEEPER TOGETHER? I APPRECIATE, MR. KHAN, THAT YOU HAVE SPENT THE PAST YEAR COMING UP WITH 
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DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND DIFFERENT PLANS. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE THAT THIS TOWNSHIP COULD BE DOING. AFTER HEARING THE COMMUNITY AND WHERE WE ARE TO DRILL INTO SOME OF THOSE PLANS AND MAYBE SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. AND I KNOW APOLOGIES, MR. KHAN, YOU'RE HEARING A LOT OF EDUCATED PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T LOOPED IN FOR THE PAST YEAR WITH OPINIONS AND ASKING MORE OF OUR TOWNSHIP MEMBERS TO THINK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE, DOUBLE CLICK, MAYBE A FEW MORE TIMES TO UNDERSTAND. THERE'S GOT TO BE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO CONSIDER THAT WE CAN DO IN PARTNERSHIP. I APPRECIATE YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE INPUT THAT I THINK THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO LESS FROM MR. KHAN AND MORE PUTTING IT BACK ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND OUR TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING MORE FOR US TO CONSIDER OUR COMMUNITY AND THE IMPACT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THESE PLANS AND ADJUST IT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER TEAM? RESPOND. WELL, IN, IN IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING AT THIS POINT UNDER THE STATE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAWS. NOW THAT OBJECTIONS HAVE BEEN FILED TO THE HOUSING PLAN, IT GOES INTO A MEDIATION PROCESS. THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S BEING HANDLED BY A RETIRED STATE COURT JUDGES. AND SINCE I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE USING THIS PROCESS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GUIDANCE IS REALLY OUT THERE, BUT MEDIATION TENDS TO BE A PROCESS. 
          IT'S NOT ARBITRATION. SO THE MEDIATOR IN THIS CASE, RETIRED JUDGE, ASKS ALL THE SIDES, ALL THE GROUPS THAT HAVE FILED OBJECTIONS, THE DEVELOPER, THE TOWN TO SIT WITH THE MEDIATOR TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES IN TERMS OF WHETHER THERE WOULD BE MORE TOWN HALL MEETINGS OR MORE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE MORE INPUT? I GUESS I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, WHO'S WITH US TONIGHT TO SEE IF IF THAT MIGHT BE ANTICIPATED. YES, I THINK THAT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE TWO MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING BODY THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT. BUT YES, I THINK THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT SPOKE UP TONIGHT. I THINK SOME STOPPED A LITTLE SHORT OF SOME OTHER IDEAS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT CAN GROW OUT OF THAT. AND THIS IS CERTAINLY JUST THE BEGINNING FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE A CHANCE TO ALSO RESPOND TO THAT. BUT I DON'T DISAGREE. SO VERY BRIEFLY, AS THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEMBER WHO'S ALSO A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON A REGULAR BASIS, THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM, IS YES, WE HAVE BEEN EVER SINCE WE BECAME AWARE OF THE COMMUNITY'S SENTIMENTS. WE HAVE ACTIVELY DESIGNED GREATER COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES, WHICH INCLUDE THE TWO TOWN HALLS THAT WE HAD THAT WILL I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TOWN HALLS. THERE HAVE BEEN LISTENING SESSIONS, AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE, THE THE PUBLIC VIEW. YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE RECORDINGS THAT ARE ON THE WEBSITE OF BOTH TOWN HALLS. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BRAINSTORM SOLUTIONS. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING IN PUBLIC. SO IT IS NOT LOST ON THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. WE'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES THAT WE COULD HAVE COMMUNICATED AND SHOULD HAVE COMMUNICATED MORE EFFECTIVELY IN THIS MATTER, AND WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS CONSIDERED AND THAT ALL OF THE IDEAS THAT THIS VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMUNITY HAS ARE BROUGHT FORWARD. MAYBE I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, AND IT'S FAIR FOR YOU TO TO ASK THOSE OF US AS YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I WILL SAY, AND IT'S GOING TO SOUND LIKE AN EXCUSE, BUT WE'RE VERY CONSTRAINED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I'M NOT HAPPY, AND I'VE SHARED IT WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS THAT THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO BE REFORMED TO ALLOW FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY AS THESE PROCESSES ARE BEING DEVELOPED. AND I KNOW WE HAVE SHARED IT MULTIPLE TIMES IN PREVIOUS TOWN HALLS, EVEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OF THIS PROCESS. AND I KNOW THERE WAS A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN THAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT INTO THE OFFICIAL PLAN BY THAT JUNE DEADLINE. AND, AND YOUR FEEDBACK WAS VERY CLEAR, AND A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE ROOM, AND WE'VE LISTENED AND WE HAVE INCORPORATED TO PROVIDE AS MANY OUTLETS AS WE CAN, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE OUTLETS SO WE CAN CONTINUE AS THIS PROCESS EVOLVES. AND AND SO WE'RE HEARING YOU, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE ALSO SEEN YOU IN THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION 
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MEETING, AND WE'VE PROVIDED AS, AS, AS TRANSPARENT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS. 
          AND WE'LL CONTINUE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND LISTENING TO FEEDBACK. THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESSES AFTER THIS I KNOW THAT MAY NOT FEEL LIKE IT PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS, ZONING BOARD MEETINGS, ETC. BUT WE WILL. OUR COMMITMENT TO ALL OF YOU. I HOPE IT FEELS LIKE IT A LITTLE BIT. IF IT'S NOT, WE WILL DO MORE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOUR VOICES ARE HELD AND WE ALLOW TO PROVIDE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE HAVE. AND I'M JUST ONE MORE THING, BECAUSE YOU WERE LOOKING AT ME WHEN YOU WERE ASKING THAT. THAT'S OKAY. THE FUNCTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO LISTEN TO A FORMAL PRESENTATION OF SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD, OR SOMEONE WANTS TO DO. SO WE'RE VOLUNTEERS, AND WE SIT HERE WHEN DEVELOPERS HAVE A FINAL PROJECT THAT THEY'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR. SO THAT'S MY OFFICIAL ANSWER AS PLANNING BOARD. OKAY. ARE YOU OF THE PLAN AND THE PLAN WHEN IT FINALLY COMES TO US? THAT IS CORRECT. BASED ON A WHOLE LOT OF CRITERIA. WE CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY SAY NO OR ARBITRARILY SAY YES, OBVIOUSLY. BUT THERE'S. WHEN IT AND OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE CONCEPTS. 
          THESE ARE NOT PLANS. SO OKAY. AND WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP IN THE BACK THERE. AND THEN. I'M JUST A LITTLE VAGUE ON SOMETHING HERE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU STEERED THIS PROCESS TO THIS 417 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT YOU NEEDED TO FULFILL THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO YOU TOLD THEM TO DO IT THAT WAY. SO YOU HAVE SOME ABILITY TO INFLUENCE THIS PROCESS. AND I'M REALLY CURIOUS WHY THIS WAS NOT DONE WITH PIKE RUN UNTIL AFTER THE FACT. I MEAN, YOU WERE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH PIKE WAS SOMEBODY WAS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH PIKE ONE WHY? WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY AND STEER THE BETTER ALTERNATIVE? INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THIS TO PROCEED? THAT'S IT. I'LL I'LL PUT A LITTLE ANSWER IN. JUST SO IN JUST FULL TRANSPARENCY. AND I THINK SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT I PREVIOUSLY WORKED AT JOHNSON AND JOHNSON AND AND JOHNSON JOHNSON SPUN OFF THIS COMPANY CAN VIEW. AND BEFORE ANY OF THAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW I, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE I WAS A J&J EMPLOYEE. AND ONCE CAN YOU WAS SPUN OFF AND, AND I CONFIRMED WITH BOTH MY LEGAL COUNSEL AT WORK AND ALSO HERE THAT, HEY, THERE'S NO MORE CONFLICTED DURING THE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY AND A TAX BASIS AND, AND KIND OF START SEEING THROUGH THE TEA LEAVES THAT SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN. I WAS ALSO THE LIAISON FOR THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE. AND AS I THINK ABOUT LIKE CLEM AND THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE, THERE ARE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT HAPPENS. 
          YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE EVEN WERE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WAS LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS PROPERTY? BECAUSE IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO STAY IN SKILLMAN. I'VE SHARED THE MYTHOLOGY RIGHT. AND I KNOW IN IN MONTGOMERY, PEOPLE ARE REALLY PROUD THAT THERE'S THE TURNPIKE I THINK WAS SUPPOSED TO COME THROUGH HERE AND THEY BLOCKED IT. THE MYTH WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHY MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHY J&J WANTED TO PUT THIS PROPERTY THERE, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT ALL THESE ROADS WOULD COME HERE AND NEVER DID. AND SO SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT. AND THEN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE ARE A LOT OF A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN IN THE VERY TIGHT TIMELINE. AND WE WERE REQUIRED TO GET TO A AND YOU KNOW, LORI, PLEASE TELL ME WE HAD TO PROVIDE A FEASIBLE CONCEPT THAT THAT MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF OF THE STATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT I'LL SAY IS THAT AS A THAT WAS PUBLISHED AND, YOU KNOW, WE AS WE ARE COMMITTED TO YOU, LIKE THERE ARE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD IN OTHER OPTIONS. AND PEOPLE HAVE COME PRESENT PRESENT TO US AND WE'VE COMMUNICATE SOME OF THOSE BACK TO YOU AS THEY'VE COME THROUGH. SO IT WAS YOU KNOW, WE'VE OUR REQUIREMENT WAS THAT WE HAD TO PROVIDE A PLAN, AND WE PROVIDED THE ONE THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND PROTECT THIS TOWNSHIP FROM TO KEEP US OUR IMMUNITY AWAY. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING BACK AND SAYING, YOU DON'T HAVE AN APPROPRIATE PLAN. AND THEN WE GET SUED AND THEN WE LOSE 
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CONTROL. AND NO, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT THE BEST ANSWER, BUT IT'S AN IT'S THE ANSWER. HI. MY NAME IS STEVE RIEPENHOFF. YOU MENTIONED ABOUTINAL APPROVAL OF WHAT'S GOING ON. IS THAT APPROVAL FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR THESE CONCEPTS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE. ONLY HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S WHEN A BUILDER WANTS TO BUILD ON THEIR LAND. 
          THEY COME, THEY COME TO US WHEN THEY HAVE A FINAL PLAN. LIKE MR. CONRAD SAID, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ENGINEERING STUDIES, TRAFFIC STUDIES, THE DEP HAS TO BE INVOLVED. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. THERE ARE SO MANY STEPS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE IT EVER COMES TO THE PLANNING BOARD. OKAY, SO PART OF THE PROPOSAL BY ECON WILL SATISFY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. BUT WE HAVE LOOKED OR THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS OF OTHER WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. SO MY QUESTION IS, SAY ALL THE OTHER SOLUTIONS OR OPTIONS COME TO FRUITION. AND THE EXTENSION AT AT PIKE RUN AND AND THE COMMUNITIES OR THE, THE, THE TRANSIT CENTER ADDITION AND ACROSS THE STREET. AND SO WE SO THAT SATISFIES ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE ALL GO THROUGH WHAT HAPPENS TO THE KEN VIEW SITE. THEN DO THEY GO BACK AND THE BUY RIGHT COME IN. AND THAT SOLUTION COULD HAPPEN. I MEAN THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT OPTION. NOT FOR US TO SAY HONESTLY THAT OPTION. AND THE REASON I WANTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING TONIGHT WAS HONESTLY TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THEIR DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND THAT'S IT AND GIVE A CHANCE. LET THE PUBLIC HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK AND TO HEAR. AND THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES, WHAT IFS, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN TALK IN WHAT IFS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY PRESENTED 2 OR 3 OPTIONS. WHAT THEY STARTED OUT WITH WAS THE CURRENT CONDITION AND WHAT WHAT THE THE BUYER RIGHT SOLUTION WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR. AND THEN THEY WERE TOLD TO COME BACK WITH OTHER OPTIONS. AND THEY DID. AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IT SATISFIED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT NOBODY LIKED THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE HOUSING OKAY. SO OKAY, SO IF YOU TAKE THAT OFF OF THE TABLE THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE BUY RIGHT SOLUTION, WHICH TO ME SEEMS WORSE. SIR, I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION JUST BECAUSE FROM A PURE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT WE CAME IN WITH. AND IF FOR SOME REASON THE TOWNSHIP AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT TO STAY IN THIS PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT TO STAY IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN. 
          BUT IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE NOT. THAT IS WHAT THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR. IT'S NOT GOING TO THE BUY, RIGHT. SOME SOME VERSION, SOME VERSION OF THAT PLAN OF MANUFACTURING BUILDINGS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YES, SIR. THAT THAT IS AS CLOSE TO A FACT AS I CAN, I CAN SAY. 
          RIGHT. DAVE LEONARD, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE BUY RIGHT CONCEPT PLAN. SO WAS THIS DEVELOPED IN FULL CONSIDERATION OF STREAM CORRIDOR, STREAM BUFFER, WETLANDS, CRITICAL SLOPE, ALL THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ON THE SITE. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR BUY RIGHT PLAN AND I OVERLAY IT ON TOP OF THE TOWNSHIP'S GIS SHOWING ALL OF THE CRITICAL SLOPE, STREAM, CORRIDOR, BUFFER, EVERYTHING ELSE, A WHOLE LOT OF THAT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD NOT GET BUILT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT WAS THE CONSIDERATION IN DEVELOPING THIS PLAN RELATIVE TO THE ACTUAL LAND USE THAT'S POSSIBLE IN THAT SITE? SURE, I CAN TAKE THAT. DAVE. SO AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THIS WAS DEVELOPED IN AUGUST OF 2024. SINCE THEN WE HAVE GONE BACK AND MADE AN APPLICATION TO NJDEP FOR A LETTER OF INTERPRETATION ON WETLANDS. SO THE WETLANDS HAVE BEEN DELINEATED. THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY COMPARABLE TO THE PLANS THAT WE HAD TO DEVELOP THIS SITE. AND THEN ALSO A FLOOD HAZARD AREA VERIFICATION FROM DEP. SO ALL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINT PLANS THAT ARE BEING SUBMITTED TO DEP ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. WILL THINGS CHANGE? YES. SOME OF THE BUFFERS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, BUT IN GENERAL, I WOULD SAY IT'S GOING TO BE PLUS OR MINUS, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 15% OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. I THINK SOME BUILDINGS MIGHT SHIFT AND WHATNOT. BUT YES, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AN EXISTING ALTERED SURVEY WITH A WETLAND DELINEATION THAT WAS PERFORMED IN 2021 AND JUST UPDATED THAT SIX MONTHS AGO AND RESUBMITTED 
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THE APPLICATION. SO WE DO FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THAT WILL BE THE DELINEATION. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE ONE MORE QUESTION IN THE BACK. AND THEN I THINK THAT'S IT. I'M PETER, I LIVE ON GRANVILLE. JUST ONE QUESTION. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANVILLE. I BELIEVE THAT'S A FARMLAND, RIGHT? LOOK LIKE YOU ARE BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN THERE. WILL THAT REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO THE ZONING OR. NO. I'M SORRY, SIR, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. THE NORTH SIDE OF THE. YES, SIR. THE BY RIGHT PLAN SHOWS THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW BEING DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. THERE'S FOUR MINIMUM TEN ACRE LOTS AND NINE MINIMUM FIVE ACRE LOTS. THAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW. AND THAT'S SHOWN. THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE. THESE ARE FOR TEN PLUS ACRE LOTS. AND THESE SHOW NINE FIVE ACRE LOTS. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE LOT, TWO LOT FOR ONE ACRE. THEN ON THE LOWER SIDE THAT'S FARMLAND. GO TO THIS ONE OR THAT ONE. SO SECOND QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ON THIS 601 ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S ALL BIG LAND AND EVERY HOUSE HAS ONE ACRE, TWO ACRE, THREE ACRE LAND, MORE RURAL KIND OF SETTING IN THERE. YOU KNOW, SINCE WE COULD NOT KEEP WHAT CURRENT STATE IS WITH THE BEAUTIFUL CAMPS IN THERE, YOU ARE GOING TO DEVELOP AND PUT A 400 HOUSE IN THERE. IS THERE ANOTHER PLAN? MAYBE WE CAN HAVE LESS DENSE HOUSE WITH BIGGER LAND PUT IN THERE. WOULD THAT BE INTEREST TO YOUR DEVELOPER OR YOU COULD NOT DO IT FINANCIALLY. THAT'S A THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN, THE RESIDENTIAL PLAN IS AS DENSE AS IT IS BECAUSE IT ACCOMMODATES SO MANY OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, WHICH IS WHY THE TOWNSHIP CHOSE TO PUT IT IN THEIR FOURTH ROUND PLAN. SO IT'S A IT'S A QUESTION WORTH CONSIDERING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO IT IN CONNECTION WITH THE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE STATE, BUT IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION AND WORTHY OF SOME CONSIDERATION. WELL, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK I JUST FOLLOW UP ON YOUR QUESTION SAYING IF THE TOWNSHIP SOLVED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEMS, CAN YOU GUYS TURN AROUND THEN? AND THE LESS DENSE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PLAN WITH BIGGER LAND, BIGGER HOUSES, I THINK THAT MAY HAVE LED TO RESISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT REALLY LOOK AT FROM 601 ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU HAVE COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY ON THE WEST SIDE OR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. THERE'S NO BIG, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY IN THERE OR HAS BIGGER LAND, MORE KIND OF RURAL SETTING. SO THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT MY HOUSE ON GRANDVIEW OVER 15 YEARS AGO, BECAUSE I LIKE THAT PRIVACY. I DON'T LIKE THE PIZZA CUTTER HOUSE. THERE'S. SO I THINK I HEARD YOU CLEARLY LOOK LIKE IF THE TOWNSHIP SOLVED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM, YOU COULD PRESENT ANOTHER PLAN WITH LESS DENSE HOUSING ON THERE, AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, AND MATT REITERATED, WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN PARTNERING WITH OUR HOST COMMUNITIES AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WORKS. WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY. WE KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT WILL NEVER WORK FOR, BUT WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN MAKING THE EFFORT TO TRY TO WORK AND PARTNER WITH OUR HOST COMMUNITY WELL, WE APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN GIVE YOU WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. I HAVE, FOR I WALKED RIGHT OVER THERE, BUT WE CANNOT HAVE IT. THEN WHEN YOU FIND OUT, YOU KNOW A SOLUTION WHICH IS BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO YOU GUYS. AND THEN THE TOWNSHIP DID FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THE BIG RESISTANCE FROM MY SIDE IS NOT THAT YOU DEVELOP IT. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP IT. RIGHT. YOU BOUGHT IT FOR SOME REASON, NOT TO LIVE THERE FOR YEARS UNTIL IT BECOMES ABUNDANTLY. SIR, YOU'RE YOU'RE WAY OVER THREE MINUTES. SO THANK YOU. YES. ASK A QUESTION. YES. ANYONE LEFT? THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT HAD SOME IDEAS AT THE END. YES. AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE FOR THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE SOURLAND CONSERVANCY OR ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, I THINK THE LAST GENTLEMAN TALKED ABOUT ZONING LOT SIZES CONSISTENT WITH SORT OF WHAT IS ADJACENT FIVE ACRE, TEN ACRE. BUT WE HAVE A CONSERVATION DESIGN, SUBDIVISION ZONING IN TOWN WHERE YOU KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON A RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN MAKE SMALLER LOTS SO THAT MORE OF THE LAND IS PRESERVED. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE SOURLAND CONSERVANCY HAD ANY OPINIONS ABOUT LARGER SIZE LOTS VERSUS 
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THE CONSERVATION DESIGN SUBDIVISION THAT WE DO HAVE. IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SPEAK TO THIS PROPERTY. SO I'M JUST ASKING A VERY GENERAL, VAGUE QUESTION BASED ON SORT OF THE LAST TWO COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD. AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE REPRESENTING THE CONSERVANCY, I KNOW THAT. I WILL EXPRESS NO OPINION. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH, LORI. IT REALLY IS. AND I THINK THAT'S I THINK THE ONE RESIDENT WHO LEFT WHO WAS SPEAKING TO US, THAT'S MAYBE MORE OF A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE, AS YOU GUYS HAD MENTIONED, FOR SURE. PAUL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, FOLKS, I THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. I WANT TO THANK THANK YOU FOLKS, THE FOLKS FUTURE MEETINGS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, IN CASE ANYONE IS INTERESTED, PLEASE COME OUT IF WE CAN HOLD IT. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU? WE STILL HAVE SOME BUSINESS TO DO. OKAY. FUTURE MEETINGS OCTOBER 7TH, 2025. THAT'S A SITE PLAN. SUBDIVISION MEETING AT 830 IN THE MORNING, OCTOBER 13TH, 2025 AND OCTOBER 27TH, 2025 ARE SCHEDULED AS PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS RIGHT NOW, PENDING ANY APPLICATIONS WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? I
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