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          [Town Hall on August 11, 2025.]
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          PERFECT. BUT WE MUST PLAY THE HAND WE ARE DEALT, OR WE CAN FIND OURSELVES WITH SOME VERY BIG CHALLENGES. IT WAS IN THE TOWN'S BEST INTEREST TO CONTINUE AND PROTECT OUR IMMUNITY FROM BUILDER'S REMEDY LAWSUITS. TO BE COMPLIANT, WE HAD TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS THAT COULD PROVIDE A REALISTIC OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. TO BE CLEAR, NEW JERSEY TOWNS ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO CONSIDER DEVELOPER'S PLANS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS PART OF THEIR OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE FAIR SHARE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS OBLIGATION STEMS FROM THE MOUNT LAUREL DOCTRINE. MONTGOMERY COMPLIED WITH THE JUNE 30TH STATE MANDATE BECAUSE FAILING TO DO SO WOULD HAVE RISKED LOSING CONTROL OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWN DUE TO BUILDER EMPTY LAWSUITS. WE HAVE SEEN THE IMPACT OF THESE LAWSUITS IN SOUTH BRUNSWICK AND HILLSBOROUGH, WHERE THE TOWNS WERE FORCED TO BUILD HUNDREDS OF UNITS. MORE RECENTLY, THE BOROUGH OF ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS WAS NOT ONLY FORCED TO ALLOW FOR THE BUILDING OF OVER 500 UNITS, BUT ORDERED TO PAY OVER 8 MILLION OF TAXPAYER FUNDS IN FEES TO THE DEVELOPER FOR FIGHTING AGAINST THE CONSTRUCTION. WHILE WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A PLAN BY JUNE 30TH UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT LAW, WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR OPTION TO MODIFY THE PLAN IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. ANOTHER RISK WE FACE AS A TOWN, ALMOST REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, IS LITIGATION FROM ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. NOT EVERY DEVELOPER OR EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING ISSUES WE FACE IN MONTGOMERY. IN FACT, ALL OVER THE STATE. AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING A LOT OF LATE HOURS HERE AND WEEKENDS TO GET TO THIS POINT. AS WE STATED NUMEROUS TIMES AND WILL CONTINUE TO STATE, WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO LISTENING TO OUR RESIDENTS ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE PLAN. YOUR PARTICIPATION UP TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PEOPLE OF MONTGOMERY WHO HAVE EMAILED US, COME TO OUR MEETINGS, SENT MESSAGES, AND EVEN CHATTED WITH US AT THE GROCERY STORE. WITH 
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YOUR THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS ON OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING MANDATE, WE SEE YOU. WE HEAR YOU, AND YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND CONCERNS ARE IN THE FOREFRONT OF ANY DECISIONS THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MAKES. TONIGHT, I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE A MAJOR NEW OPTIONS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE OUR PLAN AND OPPORTUNITY HAS RECENTLY BEEN PRESENTED AGAIN, RECENTLY BEEN PRESENTED TO US FOR ADDITIONAL EXTENSION OF AFFORDABILITY AND CONTROLS. IF REALIZED, IT WILL MEAN FEWER TOTAL UNITS GENERATED BY OUR PLAN. I'M VERY PROUD OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE, ON THE PLANNING BOARD, AND ESPECIALLY OUR MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR ADMINISTRATOR, LAURIE SAVRAN, WHO HAS SERVED AS A DIRECTOR OF PLANNING FOR MANY YEARS. FOR THEIR DILIGENCE AND DEDICATION TO OUR TOWN AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE MY COLLEAGUES AND FELLOW RESIDENTS ON THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING BOARD TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. WE HAVE A MIC HERE AND WE MAY HAVE TO SHARE SOME MICS. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MICS FOR EVERYONE? OKAY. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, VINCE BARRAGAN, DEPUTY MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, PATRICIA TAYLOR TODD, COMMITTEEWOMAN. MIKE MARTIN, COMMITTEE MEMBER. GENERAL. BY THE PLANNING. 
          WIDESPREAD VACCINE. FROM GLOUCESTER COUNTY. THANK YOU. AND NOW I'LL ASK OUR STAFF AND PROFESSIONALS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. HELLO, EVERYONE. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT SEE ME BEFORE, I'M WENDY RUBENSTEIN. QUIROGA. I'M THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY. I'VE BEEN WITH THE TOWNSHIP SINCE THE MID-POINT REVIEW OF ROUND THREE, AND SERVED AS A TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY SINCE 2021. HI, I'M LAURIE SAVRAN. I'M THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATOR AND PLANNING DIRECTOR. BEEN WITH MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP FOR A LITTLE OVER 25 YEARS. I WORKED ON THE ROUND THREE PLAN IN PREPARING IT AND THEN IN THE COMPLIANCE PHASE AS WELL. I HAVE A UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE FROM RUTGERS UNIVERSITY AND A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PLANNING FROM UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. AND I REALLY WANT TO ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR HAS SAID IN TERMS OF THANKING EVERYONE WHO'S OFFERED FEEDBACK CALLED, COME INTO MY OFFICE TO MEET WITH ME. I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FIND A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN THAT WORKS FOR ALL. MONTGOMERY. I'M MICHAEL SULLIVAN, PRINCIPAL OF PARKGATE AND HANSEN, TRENTON, NEW JERSEY. 
          I'M A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER. I'VE BEEN A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER FOR 33 YEARS, PRACTICING 99% AS A MUNICIPAL PLANNING CONSULTANT. I'M I'VE GOT A BACHELOR'S IN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. I'M A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN MONTGOMERY SINCE APPROXIMATELY 2015, WHEN WE WORKED ON THE THIRD ROUND PLAN AND NOW THE FOURTH ROUND PLAN, AMONG MANY OTHER MATTERS IN MONTGOMERY FOR THE TOWNSHIP. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'M MARY MORGAN, I'M A PARTNER AT CLARK BATEMAN AND AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANNER FOCUSED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANNING FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS NOW. I'M ALSO A SPECIAL ADJUDICATOR FOR THE SUPERIOR COURT. I HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND I ALSO WORKED WITH LORI AND HER TEAM AND THE TOWNSHIP ON THE TOWNSHIP'S THIRD ROUND PLAN, AS WELL AS ON THE FOURTH ROUND. SHERRY CRUZ, THE ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR. I HAVE WORKED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT FOR 38 YEARS. OKAY, THANK YOU EVERYONE, AND I'M GOING TO TURN THINGS OVER TO LORI SAVRAN, OUR ATTORNEY AND OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISOR. 
          THEY WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND THEN WE CAN TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THANK YOU. SO THE NEW OPTION THAT WE RECEIVED WORD ON AFTER WE ADOPTED OUR PLAN AFTER JUNE 30TH IS EXTENSION OF CONTROLS, WHICH IF YOU HAVE READ THROUGH OUR PLAN OR HAD BEEN TO ANY OF THE MEETINGS, YOU KNEW THAT EXTENSION OF CONTROLS WAS ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE MECHANISMS THAT WE WANTED TO USE IN OUR PLAN. IT'S THE FIRST ROUND WE WERE ABLE TO SO BASICALLY OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP HAS A 30 YEAR DEED RESTRICTION ON IT. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE COMING UP ON THAT 30 YEARS. IN THE NEXT TEN YEAR PERIOD, THE STATE ALLOWS THE TOWNSHIP TO EXTEND THOSE CONTROLS. THERE'S A FINANCIAL EXCHANGE THAT NEEDS TO 
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HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE. AND WE WANTED TO MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE BY EXTENDING CONTROLS, NO NEW UNITS ARE CREATED. THOSE ARE EXISTING UNITS THAT WE PRESERVE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 YEARS. AND THE SENIORS AND THE FAMILIES THAT ARE LIVING IN THOSE UNITS CAN STAY IN MONTGOMERY WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY, THEY CALL HOME. AND SO THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, THE BIG CHANGE THAT HAPPENED AFTER JUNE 30TH. IF YOU WERE AT ANY OF THE PLANNING BOARD HEARINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE EXTENSION OF CONTROLS AT PIKE RUN WAS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAD BEEN NEGOTIATING FOR, AND ULTIMATELY THE PROPERTY OWNER DID NOT AGREE TO INCLUDE THOSE AT THAT TIME. SO THAT LIMITED SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAD. BUT SINCE THAT TIME, WE DO NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE UNITS IN OUR PLAN. AND SO BEHIND ME, I'M SORRY, I JUST REFER TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO YOU'LL SEE THE EXTENSION OF THE 30 YEAR AFFORDABILITY CONTROLS ARE AT PIKE RUN, WHICH IS UP IN BELLEMEADE MCKINLEY COMMONS, WHICH HAS A MIX OF SENIOR RENTALS AND FOR SALE CONDOS, AND THE MONTGOMERY WALK, WHICH IS ALL FOR SALE CONDOS. THOSE ARE BOTH OFF OF THE BLUE SPRING ROAD AREA IN TOWN. SO AS I MENTIONED, EXTENDING THESE CONTROLS WAS OUR NUMBER ONE OF OUR NUMBER, REALLY OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN ROUND FOUR FOR THE REASONS I MENTIONED, IF YOU COULD JUST GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND I JUST LOCATED DID IT GO FORWARD OR. NO. THERE WE GO. NOPE. SHERRY TECH SUPPORT. 
          SOMETHING STUCK. OH THERE WE GO. OH THERE WE GO. SO THE MAP JUST SHOWS THE TWO, THE THREE LOCATIONS IN TOWN WHERE WHERE THOSE UNITS EXIST. SO THE PLAN ALTERNATIVE UNDER CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW IS THE ADDITIONAL EXTENSION OF AFFORDABILITY CONTROLS AT PIKE RUN. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO EXPIRE BETWEEN 2028 AND 2031, WHICH IS IN OUR TEN YEAR COMPLIANCE PERIOD, WHICH RUNS FROM 2025 TO 2035. SO THE ALTERNATIVE, UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR THE EXTENSION OF SOME OF THOSE CONTROLS WOULD BE NEW UNITS AT THE TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE. SO THE TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE IS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD, BACKS UP TO THE OLD BELLEMEADE STATION AREA TO CROSS THE STREET FROM EXISTING MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON TOWNSHIP LINE, THERE'S FOR SALE CONDOS AND PIKE RUN MEADOWS, WHICH IS AN EXISTING MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A POSSIBLE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WOULD BE TIED TO THE EXTENSION OF THE NEW CONTROLS. SO LET ME KEEP GOING. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT, BEYOND THAT, I MEAN THAT IS THE NEW OPTION THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION. SO IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD OPTION. WE WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF SOME BACKGROUND ON WHERE EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, AND SOME OF THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE LOOKED AT PRIOR TO THE JUNE 30TH PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS MAP, JUST GENERAL LOCATIONS. MOST OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS LOCATED ALONG 206. THERE'S THREE UNITS THAT ARE IN BLOOMSBURG. SO IN ROUND THREE IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEAR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NEW JERSEY TRANSIT 605 BUS LINE, IT COMES UP FROM THE SOUTH ALONG 206, TERMINATES HERE AT ORCHARD ROAD AND THEN HEADS BACK SOUTH. AND SO THAT WAS WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS QUITE A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW. INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT FOR WALKABILITY, ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, TO SHOPPING, TO PLACES OF EMPLOYMENT. THAT WAS A HUGE FOCUS IN ROUND THREE. SO IN TERMS OF OTHER SITES THAT WERE CONSIDERED 23 ORCHARD ROAD ACROSS THE STREET FROM US HERE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE ON THE LEFT SIDE, LOCATING WHERE THE MUNICIPAL CENTER IS, WE SHOW WHERE ROUND IN ROUND THREE, THERE WAS A AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT K HOVNANIAN AND INGERMAN DID TOGETHER. IT'S 114 112 MARKET RATE TOWNHOMES AND 40 AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS. SO THAT 
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WAS PART OF OUR ROUND THREE PLAN. AND THAT WAS A SUBDIVIDED OFF OF THE 23 ORCHARD ROAD OFFICE PROPERTY. NOW IN ROUND FOUR, THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER CAME TO THE TOWNSHIP WITH A PLAN THAT SAID, WE WOULD LIKE TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING DOES NEED EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK, BUT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO RENOVATING THE BUILDING AND THEY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SPIN OFF A PIECE TO DO A AN INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT IS IN THE PLAN, THE CURRENT PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE BUS STOP. AND WE WANTED TO SHOW SOME OF THE IMAGES OF WHAT THE WHAT THE APARTMENTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO ON THE TOP, RIGHT, BOTTOM, RIGHT TOP AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN KIND OF GET A SENSE OF WHAT THAT BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE. NEXT SLIDE. SO SOME OF THE OTHER SITES THAT WERE CONSIDERED AGAIN LOOKING AT THINGS ALONG THE BUS LINE 206 AND 518. SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IN ROUND THREE WE DID A LOT OF INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT. SO THE THINGS THAT ARE SHADED IN PURPLE, SOME ARE BUILT, SOME ARE UNDER MOST OF THOSE FOUR PURPLE BLOCKS ARE BUILT. VILLAGE WALK IS ON WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. BUT THE TWO YELLOW BLOCKS, THAT'S THE TEXACO AND POOL PROPERTY WHERE WE RECENTLY TOOK THOSE VACANT AND DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS DOWN. AND THE 1026 ROUTE 518, THAT WAS WHERE THE ROOF COLLAPSED BUILDING WAS. AND WE ALSO GOT THAT TO COME DOWN AS WELL BECAUSE IT WAS VERY UNSAFE. SO WE LOOKED AT THOSE TWO TO GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS. AND SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE HAD BEEN A PROPOSAL FOR MICRO APARTMENTS AT THE TEXACO AND FULL PROPERTY DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD. BUT WE DID RUN A KIND OF A YIELD ANALYSIS OF WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF HOUSING WERE TO BE BUILT THERE. AND SO IT'S IT WOULD ROUGHLY BE 24 UNITS, THREE STORIES, BUT ONLY FIVE AFFORDABLE UNITS WOULD BE PRODUCED. SO THE KIND OF THE DETRIMENTS OF THAT IMPACT FOR VERY FEW UNITS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T. WE WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH. THE 1026 HAS SOME CHALLENGES. THAT'S THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, BECAUSE IT IS A SUPERFUND SITE. IT'S CLEANED UP, BUT THERE ARE EXISTING MONITORING WELLS. SO THE DEVELOPMENT SORT OF NEEDS TO WORK AROUND THOSE MONITORING WELLS. WE HAD APPROACHED SEVERAL DEVELOPERS TO SEE IF HOUSING WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN REDEVELOPING HERE, AND THERE WERE NO PROPOSALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. ANOTHER SITE THAT WAS CONSIDERED, AGAIN, KIND OF ALONG THE BUS LINE IS THIS CHERRY VALLEY ROAD PIECE. IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF 206 AND CHERRY VALLEY ROAD. THERE IS AN ULTIMATELY A LOOP ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE. THAT'S THAT RED LINE THAT YOU SEE THERE. IT HAS ACCESS TO WALKING DISTANCE TO THE BUS STOP, KIND OF THE BUS STOPS AT THE VOLKSWAGEN DEALERSHIP. IT HAS EXPIRED LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS DATING DECADES. ORIGINALLY, IT HAD A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT EXPIRED, THAT LAND USE APPROVAL EXPIRED, THAT HAD BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN THE IT HAS A CARD CAR SERVICE, A CAR SERVICE STATION APPROVAL THAT HAS ALSO EXPIRED. THAT'S ABOUT TEN YEARS OLD. SO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A REZONING THERE FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, WE LOOKED AT THAT. THE YIELD WOULD BE AROUND 11 APARTMENTS. THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE MORE OF A REZONING. THERE WAS NO ONE THAT CAME FORWARD THAT SAID THEY WANTED TO REDEVELOP IT, BUT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING ALONG THE BUS LINE. SO THE OTHER SITES THAT WERE CONSIDERED WERE 100% AFFORDABLE AT THE FORMER MUNICIPAL BUILDING SITE. SO THE FORMER MUNICIPAL BUILDING SITE DOES HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THE PROPERTY. IT IT'S SUBJECT TO GREEN ACRES, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF IT. SO EVERYTHING SHADED IN YELLOW IS NOT DEVELOPABLE. IT'S RESTRICTED FOR OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION. IT'S THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE THE DOG PARK, THE PLAYGROUND. THERE'S A PATHWAY THERE AS WELL. AND THEN THE STRIPED BLUE IS EVERYTHING IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO THAT'S ALSO NOT AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE'S ANOTHER CONSTRAINT ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE YEARS AGO, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO OUR CONTAINER FACILITY LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC VILLAGE OF HARLINGEN, IN A STREAM CORRIDOR, AND WE HAD A ROAD SALT STORAGE FACILITY THERE, THAT DEP MADE US MOVE OUT OF THAT AREA. AND SO AT THE TIME, THIS WAS THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE. AND SO IN 
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THAT TOP RIGHT CORNER OF THAT UNSHADED AREA, YOU'LL SEE A WHITE BOX. THAT'S OUR ROAD, SALT ROAD SALT STORAGE FACILITY THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RELOCATED. AND SO SOME OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID WOULD BE WE DO HAVE TWO AFFORDABLE, 100% AFFORDABLE PROJECTS IN TOWN. SO 100% AFFORDABLE PROJECTS DO COME AT A PRICE TO A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. WE NEED TO DONATE THE LAND. 
          OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE LAND. THEN THERE'S ALSO A FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE RPM DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE 70 UNITS OF SENIOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE ON THIS PROPERTY. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW A SLIDE IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. WE'RE CONTRIBUTING ABOUT $3 MILLION TO THAT PROJECT. SO IT'S AT THE TIME WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, THE PROJECT ALL IN IS LIKE A $21 MILLION PROJECT. SO THOSE COSTS, YOU KNOW, AS TIME HAS GONE ON, HAS ESCALATED WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S THE LAND DONATION. THERE'S A LARGE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION THAT NEEDS TO COME EITHER OUT OF OUR HOUSING TRUST, BUT OUR HOUSING TRUST FUND HAS BEEN DEPLETED WITH THE AFFORDABLE, 100% AFFORDABLE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'RE SLOWLY STARTING TO BUILD THAT AMOUNT BACK UP. BUT IF MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN TOWN HAS BEEN INCLUSIONARY TO SATISFY OUR ROUND THREE, SO WE'RE NOT GENERATING AS MUCH MONEY INTO THAT TRUST. SO THE STATE DOES REQUIRE TOWNS TO IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN OUR HOUSING TRUST, WE HAVE TO GUARANTEE THE SHORTFALL. SO THERE MAY BE AN, YOU KNOW, AN IMPACT TO THE TAXPAYERS OUTSIDE OF THE TRUST AND THEN INDIRECT COSTS TO THE TOWNSHIP. WE MUST PROVIDE REGULAR TRANSIT TO THE 100% AFFORDABLE BUILDING. SO IN THIS LOCATION, WE'RE WITHIN ENOUGH DISTANCE THAT TO USE THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE FINANCING PROGRAM THAT MAKES THESE 100% AFFORDABLE BUILDINGS WORK. YOU MUST HAVE REGULAR AND RELIABLE TRANSIT. SO WE HAVE THAT HERE. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE THAT UP AT THE OLD MUNICIPAL BUILDING. SO WE WOULD NEED TO CONTRACT AND ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT AND PAY THAT. THAT WOULD BE A YEARLY FEE THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER COST THAT WE WOULD PAY. AND I MENTIONED RELOCATING THE SALT STORAGE FACILITY. WE LOOKED AT THE 100% AFFORDABLE HERE AT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, THE NEW MUNICIPAL CENTER, AND SORT OF AS A PHASE TWO TO RPM'S ROUND THREE, 100% SENIOR BUILDING. A SIMILAR BUILDING COULD BE BUILT FOR FAMILY UNITS. AGAIN, LAND DONATION LARGE. THE LARGE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. AND WITHOUT GOING INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, THERE IS A POTENTIAL IMPACT TO THE BOND FINANCING THAT THE SOMERSET COUNTY IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY DID TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S A LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT THAT WE COULD SELL OR LEASE HERE ON THIS BEFORE WE KIND OF EXCEED THAT THRESHOLD BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PURPOSE OF PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY WAS FOR. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF NEEDED TO TABLE FOR NOW. OTHER SITES THAT WERE CONSIDERED. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE ROUND THREE PLAN, THE MUNICIPAL PROPERTY AROUND THE 1860 HOUSE, WHETHER FOR 100% AFFORDABLE OR AN EXPANSION OF THE STONEBRIDGE AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING, IT'S NOT IDEAL. IT WAS FAIRLY CONTROVERSIAL IN OUR ROUND THREE PLAN. WE DID HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT CAME OUT. EVEN OUR OWN OPEN SPACE AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION DID SAY THAT THIS, THEY FELT, WAS NOT A SUITABLE SITE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DO HAVE THE VAN HARLINGEN HISTORIC SOCIETY'S FARM MUSEUM THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RELOCATED IF DEVELOPMENT WERE TO HAPPEN THERE, AND THE TOWNSHIP HAS SOME TRAILS THERE AS WELL. SO IT'S WASN'T A SITE THAT WE MOVED FORWARD WITH. OTHER SITES, ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY A DEVELOPER FOR CONSIDERATION, THE MATAWAN GOLF COURSE. THIS IS OFF OF TOWNSHIP LINE ROAD AND WILLOW ROAD. THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND APARTMENTS. 203 WOULD BE AFFORDABLE. AND THAT WAS NOT A PROPOSAL THAT THE TOWNSHIP MOVED FORWARD WITH. SO THEN WE COME TO ANOTHER SITE THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY A DEVELOPER FOR CONSIDERATION. AND SO THE DEVELOPER HAD PRESENTED THREE OPTIONS. ONE WAS THERE BY. RIGHT. SO UNDER CURRENT ZONING, WHAT COULD THEY BUILD HERE ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S LIGHT MANUFACTURING ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF SOUTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW AND ON THE NORTH SIDE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY. A PORTION IS TEN 
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ACRE AND A PORTION IS FIVE ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. GO TO NEXT SLIDE. THEY LOOKED AT A MIXED USE SCENARIO WHERE THE BACK BUILDING, THE DIAPER PLANT BUILDING WOULD REMAIN AS SOME NONRESIDENTIAL USE. AND AT MAXIE REMAINING LAND FOR RESIDENTIAL, WHICH INCLUDED A CLUSTER ON THE NORTH SIDE. THEN THEY PRESENTED AN ALL RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS NOT THE ALL. THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE ROUND FOUR HOUSING PLAN. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD PRESENTED 617 UNITS WITH HOUSING ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH. IT'S THE 417 UNITS. THE LAND NORTH OF GRANDVIEW WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR OPEN SPACE. A PORTION OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE OFFSITE THROUGH EXTENSION OF CONTROL. SO THOSE OTHER EXTENSIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING, THEY WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THIS PROJECT. AND THAT MEANS THAT FEWER NEW UNITS WOULD BE BUILT THERE. SO THAT'S YOU CAN GO BACK. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT FOR THAT PORTION. 
          OKAY. HOW DO WE KNOW. THANK RIGHT NOW OR OKAY OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS AGAIN. YEAH SURE. OTHERWISE PEOPLE WILL BE LEFT IN THE MIDDLE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED WAS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE WONDERING HOW THE PLAN MIGHT IMPACT THE SCHOOLS HAD WE CONSIDERED WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT BE. SO OUR APPROACH TO MINIMIZING THE IMPACT TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS WAS TO MAXIMIZE OUR BONUSES. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR NUMBER OF 260, YOU CAN SPEAK AS 260 UNITS, BUT IT'S REALLY 260 CREDITS. AND NOT EVERY CREDIT EQUALS ONE UNIT. 
          ONE NEW UNIT, LET'S SAY. SO. BONUS CREDITS. THERE'S A MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION THAT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE X PERCENT. IS IT 25% 25% OF YOUR TOTAL. SO 65 OF OUR CREDITS COULD BE BONUSES. 
          WHICH MEANS THEY'RE DON'T EQUATE TO NEW UNITS. THAT'S IF YOU'RE DOING EXTENSION OF CONTROLS. IF YOU'RE DOING PROJECTS THAT ARE REDEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A KIND OF A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS. SO YOU CAN KIND OF TAKE 65 UNITS RIGHT OFF OF THE TOP. THEN WE WANTED TO MAXIMIZE SENIOR CREDITS THAT WERE ALLOWED. SO THERE'S A CALCULATION FROM THE STATE THAT SAID YOU CAN DO NO MORE THAN X NUMBER OF SENIORS UNITS. AND SO WE MAXIMIZED THAT AMOUNT. SOME OF IT WAS WITH EXTENSION OF CONTROLS. AND ANOTHER PROJECT THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON THE IN THE PLAN IS THE THRIVE SENIOR HOUSING. THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE 1988, IN THE TOWNSHIP. SO WE WERE JUST ABLE TO SORT OF RICAN, NOT EVEN REALLY RECONFIGURE IT. ALTHOUGH THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE DID NEGOTIATE THE OVERALL NUMBER OF UNITS DOWN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO APPORTION 22 OF THOSE OF THOSE UNITS, BECAUSE THESE ASSISTED LIVING HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MEDICAID BEDS BY LAW. SO THEY ARE. AND INSTEAD OF THE 10% ON THE MEDICAID BEDS, WE NEGOTIATED A 20% AT THAT SITE. THAT'S EVEN BETTER. THAT'S THAT'S YEAH. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER WAY THAT WE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS AND THEN FOCUS ON EXTENDING CONTROLS, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALREADY EXISTING AFFORDABLE UNITS. WE DID HAVE WE OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE BOARD OF EDUCATION DO HAVE REGULAR COMMUNICATION. BECAUSE THE BOARD OF ED PREPARES, A DEMOGRAPHER COMES IN AND PREPARES A REPORT WHO LOOKS AT ENROLLMENT SO YOU CAN FIND THOSE ON THE BOARD OF ED'S WEBSITES. SO THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM THEIR JUNE. I THINK I WROTE 25, BUT IT WAS JUNE OF 2024 REPORT AND THAT MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP SCHOOLS HAVE DECREASED IN ENROLLMENT BETWEEN 2018 AND 19 AND 23 AND 24 SCHOOL YEARS. WHEN REVIEWING EARLIER ENROLLMENTS 2010 THROUGH 2011, THE ENROLLMENT WAS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER 5091 STUDENTS. THIS INDICATES THAT, NOTWITHSTANDING ADDED PROGRAMS OR REPURPOSING OF CLASSROOMS, THAT THE DISTRICT WILL NOT HAVE ISSUES WITH INSTRUCTIONAL SPACE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, EVEN WITH THE IMPACT OF NEW HOUSING ADDED, THE DECLINE IN ENROLLMENT SHOULD BE MITIGATED, BUT WILL ONLY REACH CURRENT ENROLLMENT LEVELS. SO I THINK TAKEN TOGETHER, THAT WAS SORT OF OUR APPROACH TO TRY AND MINIMIZE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE GOT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHO WHO IS 
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LIVING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WHO IS WHO IS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR? AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, TEACHERS, SENIORS, RECENT COLLEGE GRADS, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE WORKING IN OUR AREA. SO A FAMILY OF FOUR AND A MODERATE INCOME UNIT IS EARNING A SALARY OF 102,000 $122,000. AND A SINGLE PERSON IN A UNIT WOULD NEED TO BE MAKING A SALARY OF $86,000 IN A MODERATE INCOME UNIT. I THINK. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S IT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY OPEN THE FLOOR TO COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE MOST MOSTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO COVER RIGHT NOW. AND THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED WE HAVE A SECOND MEETING COMING UP ON AUGUST 25TH. IF ANYONE HAS ANY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO POST A WEBSOFNFORMA ION UP TI THEON E, BUTITLEASE P FEEL FRE E.TO MY BINESSUS CARD IS UP HERE SELFMY OR SHEYRR CRUZ. CALL, OME IN C AND SEE US AND WE'D BE GLAD TO WA YOULK THROUGH ANSWF SOETH INFMATIONORR O ER A OTHERNY QSTIONSUE. OK. THANAYYOU.K  OY.KA TNK YOUHA RI ANDLO TNKHA YOULL A FOR YROU FORTSEFND A THE PRESEATIONNT TH YOU'VAT JETUS GEN USIV A.LL 'SIT NOW TIME FOR PLICUB FEBACKEDBECAUS. OF THEE ARGE L F PEO OE WHOPLRE A HERE TOGHT,NI'D LIK IE TO KAS TO TNEER TLIMIT O UR COMYONTSME EE MINHRES.UT PLEASE AVOID MADECOMMESNTTHERS O HAVE ND I ATEADNSNDICAT IE T WITHENHE T PREVISOU SPKER.EA FALLY, INWOULD I SO PLEAK T ATHERNO FAVOR. PLANUS YOUOCREMARKS R OTHEN IELFTS AND NOTN O THE ONS OFTI THETAFF S AND ELTEDEC OICIALSFF W HAVE HOENBE DILIGEG LYNT TO VELOPDE WILDPN.LA SOMPEOPLEE AVE HADE M , UNSUBANTIATSTED CUSATIACS ONONOCIAL S MIA ANDED HEROT PLAORMSTF TTHA ARE TOTALLY TRUE,UN BUILTCRIMON AY, ANDRE A TALENO MAKI T GOODNG SON FOR OUR TOWN. DEBAT CHARHLTHYEA AND WE EOURAGENC IT. TERACSSASSI ATION INASOT N EVYONE SERTINGITERE ON H THIS ND A THIS DESI WHIT ME, CASREASSION PELYATBOUT A THAT TNSHIPOWND A ENSINGUR T'S A IREAT P GCELA TLIVEO D RAIAN A FAMSEYIL FOR GERATIONNES TO ME.COO THIS SS I SAYTOMETHI S THATNG WAN IDTE TO O EVER TODY.YB WLIVEE  IAN OKAYFULAU TOWN. LET'SEEP KT. I IT'S T, E FORIM QSTIONSUE .O IS FWHST?IR OKAY.I. H SHE NTIONEMED THAT ONEF THE OITES S HEY W TEN'TEROING T GUSEO I'M, LEE, AIK LOCAL FARM. 
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          HE'S A BUSINESS IN THIS TOWNSHIP. SO I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT MOST PROBABLY AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOWARDS, ALL THE STAFF THAT YOU SEE HERE, THEY ARE TRYING TO SEE HOW WE CAN JUST GET CAN VIEW OFF IF WE EXTEND CONTROLS. WE ARE NOT BUILDING ANY NEW HOUSING. THAT THAT IS ONE THING. BUT YES, THERE WILL BE STILL A LITTLE BIT OF SHORTFALL. MAYBE THAT WILL BE THE TRANSIT COMMERCIAL. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE, THE PLANNING BOARD, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT SOUR LAND AND THAT CAN BE SUICIDE. AND I WISH WHATEVER 40 YEARS AGO, WHENEVER CAN JOHNSON AND JOHNSON BUILT THAT BUILDING. SOMEONE HAD SAID, NO, DON'T BUILD IT HERE. THIS IS THE SOUR LANDS. WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO BUILD A FARMER BUILDING HERE. 
          BUT 40 YEARS AGO, I WASN'T HERE AND NEITHER WERE ANYBODY ON THIS TEAM HERE. BUT I CONTINUE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME PERSPECTIVE INTO THE FACT THAT WE HEARD YOU, AND WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO TAKE CAN BE OFF. THANK YOU. FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. I HAVE THE FLOOR, MA'AM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S SPEAKING RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK I THANK YOU. IT'S OKAY. 
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ALL HOT UNDER THE COLLAR HERE. GOOD EVENING. YES, I AM BACK TO MAKE MY CASE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF I.M. PEI IN THE PROPERTY CAMPUS. LET'S BEGIN WITH THE STATEMENT. COULD COULD WE JUST GET YOUR NAME? KELLY JACOBSON. SHELLY JACOBSON. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET US BEGIN WITH THE STATEMENT THAT WE HEARD AT THE JUNE MEETING. AND I QUOTE, THERE ARE NO ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY, NOR IS THERE AN ARCHITECT OF SIGNIFICANCE, UNQUOTE, IN THIS STATEMENT. IS THIS FALSE STATEMENT SEEMS TO BE ACCEPTED WITHOUT QUESTION OR VETTING. BUT HERE ARE SOME OF THE FACTS ABOUT I.M. PEI AND WHO HE WAS AS AN ARCHITECT. I.M. PEI GAINED BROAD NATIONAL ATTENTION FROM HIS DESIGN OF THE EAST WING OF THE NATIONAL GALLERY OF ART IN WASHINGTON, DC IN 1968 THROUGH 78. THIS IS ONE OF MORE THAN 30 INSTITUTIONAL PROJECTS, INCLUDING CHURCHES, HOSPITALS, MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES, AND DOZENS OF MUSEUMS. HE ALSO DESIGNED A WIDE RANGE OF CORPORATE BUILDINGS, BOTH INTERNATIONALLY AND HERE IN SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY, AND HIS SISTER CAMPUS IN NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY. I AM PACE PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS INCLUDE. IN 1963, HE WAS AWARDED THE MEDAL OF HONOR OF THE NEW YORK CHAPTER OF THE AIA, THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS. IN 1968, HE RECEIVED THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AWARD FROM THE AIA FOR I.M. PEI AND PARTNERS. FORMED IN 1966. IN 1979, HE RECEIVED THE AIA GOLD MEDAL OF ARCHITECTURAL EXCELLENCE, THE HIGHEST AWARD FOR ARCHITECTURE IN THE UNITED STATES. IN 1983, I.M. PEI WAS CHOSEN LAUREATE OF THE PRITZKER ARCHITECTURE PRIZE, AN HONOR SIMILAR TO THE NOBEL. IN 1976, HE WAS AWARDED THE THOMAS JEFFERSON MEMORIAL MEDAL FOR DISTINGUISHED CONTRIBUTION TO THE FIELD OF ARCHITECTURE. AMONG THE MANY ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENTS, HE WAS AWARDED HONORARY DEGREES FROM UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, BROWN UNIVERSITY, NEW YORK UNIVERSITY, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY OF PARIS, THE J AND J. WORLD HEADQUARTERS, DIVISION OF BABY PRODUCTS NOW CAN VIEW WAS BUILT IN 1976 AND FOLLOWING IN 1981, J AND J BUILT THEIR WORLD HEADQUARTERS SISTER CAMPUS IN NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY. THESE TWO CAMPUSES REFLECT EACH OTHER AND ARE PARTNERS OF SIMILAR DESIGN CONCEPTS. ONE WOULD BE LOST WITHOUT THE OTHER. THE CONCEPT OF BRINGING NATURE TO INTERIOR SURFACES OF BUILDING WAS INNOVATIVE AT THE TIME, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT CONNECTING WITH NATURE IS BOTH CALMING AND GROUNDING. CAN YOU SEE THE BIG PICTURE? I'M ALMOST DONE. CAN YOU SEE THE BIG PICTURE TO BE PURPOSED? THIS HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL CANVAS AND NOT CONDONE ITS DEMOLITION? MAKE YOUR DECISION USING YOUR OWN STATEMENTS FOR THE HEALTH OF RURAL MONTGOMERY AND THE SOURLANDS FOR INCLUSION OF THE I.M. PEI CAMPUS. WITH MONTGOMERY'S HISTORY AND INNOVATIVE CREATIVE SPIRIT OF THE MASTER SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECT I.M. PEI, IT IS OUR MOST ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING IN THE TOWNSHIP. AND THESE ARE THE FACTS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO. I KNOW THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS OUT THERE, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS TRYING TO SPEAK IT TO BRING THE MICROPHONE THAT WAY, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST REITERATE ON WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, ASSUMING THAT WE GET ARE ABLE TO HAVE THESE EXTENSION CONTROLS AND WE GET POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWN HALL FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THE GOAL IS TO REMOVE KENVI FROM THE PLAN. AS WE SIT RIGHT NOW, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DO HAVE TO AMEND THE PLAN TO TAKE IT OUT, BUT THE DECISION WAS MADE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO TOWN HALLS BEFORE GOING FORWARD WITH AN AMENDMENT, SO THAT WE GIVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT THESE ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD COME INTO THE PLAN TO ALLOW THAT TO BE REMOVED, WHAT THOSE ARE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING. AND YES, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE EXTENSION OF CONTROLS AND EXCHANGE WITH THIS TRANSIT COMMERCIAL ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW FOR THE RESIDENTIAL THERE AND PERHAPS SOME OTHER TWEAKS INTO THE PLAN. THE GOAL IS TO GET FEEDBACK ON THOSE PROJECTS IN ORDER TO REMOVE, CAN VIEW AND STILL MAKE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION A REALITY. THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO REITERATE ONE 
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THING, AND THIS IS THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM. EVERYONE IS WANTING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE OPTIONS DISCUSSES. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS UP. NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE, RIGHT? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE, AND MAKE SURE THERE'S AT LEAST MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND TALK AND ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE DECISION DOES HAVE TO BE MADE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WENDY CAN CONFIRM. THE WINDOW FOR US TO MAKE ANY KIND OF CHANGES IS SO UNDER THE FAIR. THIS IS GOING TO GET CONFUSING. I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, WE HAD TO HAVE A PLAN SUBMITTED BY JUNE 30TH TO RETAIN IMMUNITY. AND THE PROCESS THAT WE STARTED BACK IN JANUARY PUT ASIDE THAT INTO ONE BOX UNDER MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW, A MASTER PLAN AND ANY ELEMENT OF IT IS A LIVING, ONGOING DOCUMENT THAT THE TOWN CAN ALWAYS CONTINUE TO AMEND. SO THE JUNE 30TH DEADLINE WAS MET IN ORDER TO RETAIN OUR IMMUNITY. THAT IS, IN WITH THE PROGRAM. THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND NOW. WE CAN AMEND AGAIN IN IN A YEAR. WE CAN AMEND AGAIN IN FIVE YEARS AT THE MIDPOINT. REVIEW. THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW GIVES US THAT RIGHT. 
          REGARDLESS OF THE TIMING DEADLINES OF THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. HI, MY NAME IS CANDY WILLIS. MY, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY COMMENTS. I BASICALLY HAVE QUESTIONS. IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE ARE 260 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS FOR ROUND FOUR? THERE ARE 260 CREDITS THAT WE NEED TO SATISFY. SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BONUSES. SO IT'S 260 -65. THEN 260 -65 MINUS ALL OF THE EXTENSIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET. SO FROM OUR ACCOUNTS WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 39 NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS BUT THAT WE'RE STILL IN WE'RE STILL IN THE WORKS OF TRYING TO AMEND THE YOU KNOW TO SEE. SO MAYBE TO MAYBE 39 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OF NEW ACTUAL NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. OKAY. WELL IN PIKE RUN DID THE PERSON THERE AGREE TO DO 210. SO WE'RE IN ACTIVE NEGOTIATIONS. SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHICH IS SORT OF WHY WE'RE HAVING A SECOND TOWN HALL. WE WANTED TO BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE IS VERY ANXIOUS ABOUT THIS. WE WANTED TO TRY AND HAVE A TOWN HALL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO SHARE WHAT WE HAD, AND THEN HOPEFULLY IN TWO WEEKS, WE'LL HAVE EVEN MORE TO SHARE. THAT'S OUR GOAL, IS TO TRY AND MEET THE DAVE CAMP, OUR PLANNING BOARD CHAIR HAD PLEDGED AT ONE OF OUR HOUSING ONE OF THE HEARINGS TO HAVE RECURRING MEETINGS AND UPDATES. AND SO I THINK THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST GOT CONFUSED WITH THE NUMBERS. SO I'M WONDERING THE AREA IN NEAR PIKE RUN THAT'S NEAR THE OLD RAILROAD STATION. ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE IT'S A DELAWARE AND BOUND BROOK HISTORIC AREA. AND THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THAT AT ALL? NO, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN AND THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE STATE'S MAPPING AS WELL. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE AWARE OF THAT. YES. AND WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR, NEW JERSEY TRANSIT IS HAS BEEN TRYING TO LOOK AT REACTIVATING THE OLD COMMUTER RAIL LINE THAT WAS THERE. IT'S VERY FAR OFF INTO THE FUTURE. 
          THE TOWNSHIP WOULD SUPPORT THAT EFFORT. WE'VE HAD HAVE PUBLICLY SUPPORTED THAT EFFORT. WE'VE WORKED WITH MERCER COUNTY AND SOMERSET COUNTY TO TRY AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO SUPPORT THE EFFORT TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. AND SO THOSE STRUCTURES ARE THERE, AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE STRUCTURES COULD BE RE REUSED AND RENOVATED AND REHABBED BY NEW JERSEY TRANSIT. 
          OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. THEN I WAS READING OLD NEWSPAPERS FROM THE 1980S. 
          AFFORDABLE HOUSING ROUND TWO. AND IT SAID THAT THEY HIRED SOME CONSULTANTS TO CONSIDER THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE ECONOMICS, AND I FORGOT WHAT ELSE AND REDUCED THE NUMBER FROM 754, 750 SOMETHING TO FOUR SOMETHING. I WONDERED, HAS THAT AVENUE OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AROUND FOUR VIA CONSULTANTS BEEN EXPLORED? YES. SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER THAT WAS APPLIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, WHICH WAS THE AGENCY THAT THE DIVISION AT THE STATE THAT EMPLOYED THE METRICS THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FAIR HOUSING ACT SET FORTH. WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. I WANT TO GET THIS ANSWER RIGHT. AND WE DID LOOK AT WE DID DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE LAND CAPACITY CALCULATION DCA'S LAND CAPACITY CALCULATION. WE HAD GUIDANCE FROM OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ATTORNEY AND OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANNER, AND THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE 
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DELIBERATED ON THE RISKS AND REWARDS OF A POTENTIAL CHALLENGE. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A CHALLENGE WOULD RESULT IN A MINOR REDUCTION OF UNITS, IF ANY, AT ALL. THE FAIR HOUSING CENTER AND NEW JERSEY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, AND POSSIBLY INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPERS WOULD LIKELY HAVE OBJECTED TO OUR CHALLENGE. AND ULTIMATELY THE COURT PROCESS REQUIRED WOULD WOULD REQUIRE NEGOTIATION AMONGST ALL OF THOSE COMPETING PARTIES. AND IT WAS SPECULATED THAT MOST LIKELY THE FAVORABLE OUTCOME WAS THAT A JUDGE WOULD LIKELY HAVE SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP'S ANALYSIS AND THE NUMBER ISSUED BY DCA, RESULTING IN A POSSIBLE REDUCTION OF 7 TO 8 UNITS. THE RISK TO ATTEMPTING THE CHALLENGE AND THE RESULTING BULLSEYE WOULD PLACE ON MONTGOMERY WAS FELT TO BE TOO HIGH FOR THE LIMITED POTENTIAL REDUCTION OF A SINGLE DIGIT REDUCTION IN UNITS, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE DECIDED IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN TO ACCEPT THE NUMBER. AND SIMPLY PUT, THE RISK FAR OUTWEIGHED THE REWARD. OKAY. HELLO, I'M KAREN ANDERSON. COULD YOU PUT THE SLIDE UP THAT YOU COULD YOU PUT THE DECK BACK UP SO WE COULD REFER TO THE PICTURE, YOUR SLIDE THAT'S GOT THE TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE ON IT. IT'S PIKE RUN. IT SAYS ON TOP ALTERNATIVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT ONE. OH YEAH. RIGHT THERE. SO. THIS PLAN HAS I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MATH WAS. 
          WAS IT 20. WHAT WAS YOUR NUMBER THAT YOU ENDED UP WITH. IF WE THERE WAS EXTRA UNITS THAT HAVE TO BE BUILT HERE. YOU SAID WHAT NUMBER POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE THIS PLAN. RIGHT NOW THIS CONCEPT IS SHOWING 149 149. OKAY. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE THAT TRAIN STATION IS, RELATIVELY SPEAKING. THE TRAIN STATION IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRAIN TRACKS. AND IT'S LABELED TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE. WHAT'S COMMERCIAL TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN OUR MASTER PLAN, AND THE ZONING HAS ALLOWS FOR IT. SO THAT WOULD BE A PARK AND RIDE WHICH IS SHOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS OF THAT CONCEPT. AND ABOUT 100, 100 OR 150 SPACES, IF THERE WERE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REACTIVATION OF THE RAIL, BUT WE'VE ALSO BEEN TRYING TO WORK ON GETTING PASSENGER BUS SERVICE TO MONTGOMERY. SO ONE OF THE ONES WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS THE COACH BUS THAT RIGHT NOW STARTS IN HILLSBOROUGH AT THE COLES SHOPPING CENTER. TO TRY AND GET THAT TO START HERE OR ANOTHER PROVIDER. WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO MANY DIFFERENT PROVIDERS, SO THE TRANSIT COMMERCIAL WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT. 
          AND ALSO A SMALL COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, SMALL COMMERCIAL. IT'S ABOUT IN THE ZONING RIGHT NOW. IT'S ABOUT FOR A STRIP MALL. WHAT ARE WE. SO IF YOU PICTURE IF YOU GO TO A TRAIN STATION, THERE'S USUALLY A PLACE THAT YOU CAN BUY COFFEE OR YOU KNOW SOMETHING. IT WOULD IT IT TRANSIT COMMERCIAL IS RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION HAPPENING THERE AT THE SITE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S ON IN THE ZONING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHY WE REFER TO THE TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE. AS THE PLATFORM THAT IS THE ZONING RIGHT NOW. AND SO. THAT SO RIGHT NOW, THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WOULD BE NO, NO COMMERCIAL, AND IT WOULD BE THE PARKING LOT, THE SMALL PARKING PARK AND RIDE POTENTIAL FUTURE. AND THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS. 
          WELL, NEW JERSEY TRANSIT I THINK ORIGINALLY PROPOSED SOMETHING LIKE 400 PARKING SPACES IN MONTGOMERY FOR THAT REACTIVATED PARK AND RIDE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. I GUESS IT'S NOT. IT'S MORE THAN 50, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY LESS THAN WHAT NEW JERSEY TRANSIT HAD WANTED. HELLO, EVAN. K I V A N O. THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT AND PROVIDING A FORUM TO HEAR OUR VOICES. AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO SHOWED UP. SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS, CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT AROUND THE DECISION TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MATAWAN GOLF COURSE? WHAT WAS CONSIDERED AND NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE HOMES THAT WERE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED? AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WELL, I'LL SAY THE QUESTION IN A MINUTE. MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN 
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MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP BECAUSE OF OUR SCHOOLS AND THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION PROVIDED TO OUR YOUTH. 
          ON THE SLIDE TITLED MINIMIZING THE IMPACT TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS, IT WAS NOTED THE DISTRICT WILL NOT HAVE ISSUES WITH THE INSTRUCTIONAL SPACE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THAT SEEMS A BIT SHORTSIGHTED GIVEN THE NUMBER OF HOMES BEING CONSIDERED AT THE KENNEDY SITE. CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR YEAR SIX AND BEYOND, TO ENSURE THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION REMAINS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE STANDARD? AGAIN, ASSUMING 400 AND SOME ODD HOMES ARE BUILT AT THE KENNEDY SITE. SO WE WERE WITH THEM, THE BOARD OF ED, WE WORK WITH THEM. THEY THAT'S THE CURRENT DEMOGRAPHER'S REPORT THAT THEY HAVE. SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT THE NEXT, NEXT ROUND. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC SCHOOL CHILDREN THAT COME OUT OF THE PLAN THROUGH THE SENIOR HOUSING, THE EXTENSION OF CONTROLS ON EXISTING UNITS AND THE BONUS CREDITS. SO IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT, THERE'S ALSO BEEN. SUBSTANTIAL DATA RECENTLY AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS THAT CHILDREN, THAT FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN OR WITHOUT CHILDREN MOVE INTO. YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO USE KEN VIEW AS THE EXAMPLE, BECAUSE OUR PURPOSE TONIGHT REALLY IS TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER SITES. BUT I WILL INDICATE THAT THE THERE IS A RANGE OF ONE BEDROOMS, TWO BEDROOMS, THREE BEDROOMS. IT'S NOT ALL. IT'S CALLED FAMILIES BECAUSE IT'S NOT OTHERWISE RESTRICTED TO SENIORS OR TO SPECIAL NEEDS, BUT A ONE BEDROOM FAMILY UNIT IS NOT GOING TO PRODUCE SCHOOL CHILDREN 99% OF THE TIME. IT'S A TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLD. SO UNLESS IT'S JUST A PARENT AND CHILD, YOU WOULDN'T QUALIFY TO MOVE INTO AN AFFORDABLE ONE BEDROOM. THAT WAY, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A TWO BEDROOM. AND THERE IS AN ARRAY OF ONE TWOS TO THREES AS WELL. SO IT DOES LIMIT ALSO HOW MANY. AND YOU KNOW, IN IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE SEEING THAT MANY COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN ARE BUYING ONES AND TWOS MAYBE EVEN THREE. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL PRODUCING SCHOOL CHILDREN. AND THERE'S PLENTY OF STUDIES THAT COME OUT. RUTGERS DOES A STUDY AND MOST DEVELOPERS DO IT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL YOU A PRODUCT. WHEN THEY COME IN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. THIS IS JUST AT A PLANNED STAGE, NOT A PLANNING STAGE WHERE THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE SIMILAR NUMBERS OF OTHER PRODUCTS THEY HAVE PRODUCED, HOW MANY SCHOOL CHILDREN WERE ARRIVED AT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MATAWAN, IT THE ASIDE FROM THE DENSITY BEING EVEN MORE THAN WE NEEDED TO SATISFY OUR OBLIGATION, IT DOESN'T HAVE SEWER SERVICE. SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE NEEDED TO FOCUS ON AREAS THAT DID HAVE SEWER AND WATER. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATHY LYNCH. LYNCH AND I HAVE LEARNED A LOT TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING INTO THIS. IT'S MUCH MORE THAN I REALIZED FROM READING WHAT I READ ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE. AND BECAUSE I'M GETTING SO MUCH INFORMATION, I WANT TO BE SURE I'M CLEAR WHEN I WALK OUT TONIGHT THAT YOU IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE HEARD THE FEEDBACK, ALL THE REASONS THAT THE KEN VIEW DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR THE TOWNSHIP. AND UNTIL YOU HAVE THE OUTCOME OF YOUR NEGOTIATIONS, THERE'S. ALL OF OUR. PLEASE, YOU HEARD THEM. WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP MAKING THEM. YOU'RE WORKING ON AN ALTERNATIVE, AND YOU WON'T KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL YOU KNOW IT. 
          AND IN TWO WEEKS, WE COME BACK FOR AN UPDATE AND WE TALK AND KEEP IT AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS THE NEXT BEST HAM. I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION OR COMMENT, BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR YES YOU ARE YOU ARE CORRECT. AGAIN, THE JUNE 30TH DEADLINE WAS EXTREMELY FAST FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE AT LEAST AT THE SECOND MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD THAT I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND, YOU KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE THAT QUICKLY EITHER. WE NEEDED TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE BY JUNE 30TH. WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE BY JUNE 30TH. THERE IS NO ZONING APPROVALS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. OUT OF THAT, IT'S JUST THE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT. WE ARE NOW SITTING BACK, TAKING DEEP BREATHS AND ENGAGING IN THE CONVERSATION THAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE HEARD THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS BEFORE THE AMENDMENT COMES FORWARD. BY MICHELLE PRICE P A R 
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I S E. I AM CURIOUS. MADAM WANG IS NOT ON 206 CORRIDOR UNLESS YOU'RE COMING. WHERE ON TOWNSHIP LINE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE MATAWAN GOLF COURSE I KNEW IS DOWN AT THE OTHER END. OPPOSITE OF 206. THE TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE WAS LOOKED AT YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO SATISFY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THAT WAS TAKEN OFF THE TABLE YEARS AGO FROM THE TOWNSHIP. NOT SURE WHY. 
          CAN YOU, WE CAN ALL AGREE IS JUST NOT FEASIBLE FOR MANY REASONS. OTHERS HAVE SAID SO. 
          WE'RE BACK TO THIS NEW EXTENSIONS OF PIKE RUN IN TWO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS I THINK. 
          RIGHT. PIKE RUN INTO OTHERS. SO. THIS DEVELOPER SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS. AND THEN YES, I'M THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE NEXT PLAN? WHAT ARE WE PUTTING ALL OF OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET AND LOOKING AT JUST PIKE RUN OR WHAT'S THE NEXT PLAN OTHER THAN KEN VIEW, IF THE DEVELOPER OF PIKE RUN PULLS BACK OUT AND SAYS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I CHANGED MY MIND AGAIN, SO WHERE ARE WE GOING? AND. I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY KENNEDY WAS CONSIDERED IN THE FIRST PLACE. I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY THE FOCUS WAS NOT THE 206 CORRIDOR, BUT DON'T PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET WITH JUST PIKE RUN. HAVE A PLAN B. I KEEP HEARING THAT. YEAH, THAT WE LOOKED AT THIS, BUT WE LOOKED AT THAT. BUT WE NEED A PLAN B AND IT SHOULD NOT BE CAN VIEW. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. MR. THOMAS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROSE NAGY AND THAT'S N A G. AND I GUESS JUMPING BACK TO EVAN WAS YOUR NAME. SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS YOU SAID THAT STUDENT ENROLLMENT WAS DOWN FROM 5000 IN 2011. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT STAFF WAS LET GO FROM THAT TIME. SO WHEN YOU DECIDE WHEREVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH FAMILIES, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF YOU DO NOT HAVE 5000 STUDENTS, YOU PROBABLY LET SOME STAFF GO. AND IF YOU DO HAVE AN INFLUX OF STUDENTS, WILL YOU HAVE TO HIRE MORE STAFF SO THAT THE CLASSROOM SIZE STAYS THE SAME OR, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION FOR THAT. AND I THINK MY OTHER THING TOO IS JUST ASK ABOUT THE TRAIN STATION. THIS WOULD BE THE LINE THAT WOULD GO FROM SOMERVILLE INTO NEWARK. YES, RIGHT. IF IT WERE REACTIVATED, IT WOULD GO INTO SOMERVILLE. OKAY. SO WOULD THEY HAVE TO SWITCH OVER? YES. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. JUST REAL QUICK, BECAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED, I THINK I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IN, IN I DON'T WANT TO SOUND PATRONIZING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LORI SPOKE BEFORE ABOUT THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN US AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, ALL THESE ISSUES. JUST REMEMBER, IT'S I MEAN, THE SCHOOL BOARD ULTIMATELY MAKES THOSE DECISIONS ON STAFFING. SOMETIMES THEY MAKE DECISIONS ON STAFFING, NOT HAVING TO DO WITH ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE POPULATION OF STUDENTS. AS YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP IT TO MYSELF WITH THAT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE HAS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SEPARATION OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES ON ON SCHOOL STAFFING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR MANDATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANS. 77 MIDDLE RUN DRY SKILLMAN, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HAVE EITHER OF THESE TWO. SITES CONSIDERED. ONE IS THE ACREAGE THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE AIRPORT. THE SCALE. IS THE. THE PARCEL BEHIND WAWA THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. STORAGE. I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN THE LONG RUN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT EVERY THING. AND I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THIS. SO THE. THE PEOPLE CARING FOR ALL THIS TRANSPARENCY REALLY CAN I JUST SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE. 
          IT'S BEEN VERY TOUGH. SO I APPRECIATE IT. EVERYBODY HERE HAS WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THAT. AT ONE OF THE PRIOR MEETINGS, OR MAYBE AT A TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETING, THAT PROPERTY BY THE AIRPORT CAME UP AND ALSO ACROSS THE STREET, THE WALL 
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STREET PRINCETON RESEARCH PARK, THAT'S IN THE AIRPORT HAZARD AREA. SO IT LIMITS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO IT IT'S YOU CAN'T DEVELOP YOU YOU CAN'T HOUSES MUST BE ON THREE ACRE LOTS OR GREATER. YOU CAN'T HAVE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING BECAUSE YOU'RE LIMITED TO ONE HOUSE PER THREE ACRES. SO IT LIMITS YOUR ABILITY TO DO ANY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. THERE'S ALSO BUILDING HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON WHOLE WAIT, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. I JUST WANTED TO COME TO YOU NEXT. THE MICROPHONE. IT WON'T GET PICKED UP. AND ON THIS SLIDE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THE YELLOW THE YELLOW BOX IS THE PROPERTY BEHIND WAWA. SO WE DID APPROACH YOU RIGHT. IT HAD BEEN DENIED THE SELF-STORAGE HAD BEEN DENIED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. WE DID APPROACH DEVELOPERS TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING THERE, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NO PROPOSALS, NO CONCEPT PLANS. NOTHING CAME BACK. SO ONE OF THE TRICKY PARTS, AND I TRIED TO SHOW IT HERE. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE SMALL TO SEE ARE THOSE RED DOTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY. SO THE PROPERTY IS A SUPERFUND SITE. IT'S, IT'S HAS A KIND OF A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH, IF YOU WILL, FROM DEP. BUT THERE ARE ONGOING MONITORING WELLS THAT MUST BE ACCESSIBLE. SO YOU SORT OF HAVE TO BUILD AROUND IT OR ALLOW I THINK SHERRY COULD PROBABLY BETTER ANSWER LIKE THE SELF-STORAGE DEVELOPMENT, WOULDN'T THEY? THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STILL ACCESS ALL OF THOSE MONITORING WELLS THE WAY IT WAS, SO THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A SUPERFUND SITE IS, IT'S A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN CONTAMINATED BEFORE. AND DP CAME IN AND PUT A LOT OF WELLS IN. 
          AND SINCE THERE'S ALL THESE WELLS, THE DEVELOPERS REALLY HARD TO BUILD A BUILDING ON TOP OF WELLS. SO THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, EXCLUDED BECAUSE OF THOSE REASONS. OKAY, OKAY, I'M HAROLD WASSERMAN. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU COULD EXTEND THE CONTROLS IN PINEBROOK, BUT THE DEVELOPER SAID HE WOULD SUE YOU, BUT ARE WE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO EXTEND CONTROLS? I MEAN, DOES HE HAVE THE BASIS OF A LAWSUIT? I LEFT ATTORNEY TO SPEAK TO THAT. IF THAT'S THE QUESTION, THAT'S THE QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IT ALL DEPENDS WHAT THE DEED RESTRICTION SAYS AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS ENTERED INTO. NOT ALL DEED RESTRICTIONS AT EVERY TIME ARE THE SAME WAY. I'M SORRY. PLEASE, MICHAEL. IT'S OKAY. SO IT IT REALLY ALL DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF DEED RESTRICTION. AND TO BE HONEST, I DON'T HAVE THAT MEMORIZED. BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO DO IT UNILATERALLY AT THAT LOCATION. NORMA KRAUS I'VE BEEN IN SKILLMAN FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL TOWN. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE GLASSES. YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ZONING THREE ACRES. NOW, WHEN I CAME TO THIS TOWN, I WAS TOLD THAT IT HAD TO BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES BECAUSE OF THE WATER PROBLEM. EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, I'M SURE HAS A WELL AS I DO. WHICH IS THE SECOND OR THIRD WELL, I'VE HAD TO DIG FOR NOW. 
          YOU WANT TO PUT IN 417 UNITS IN KENYA, AND IF I'M CORRECT, THEY SAID THERE WERE FIVE ACRE ZONING. NOW THAT'S OVER 20,000 ACRES. IS THAT HOW BIG THAT PROPERTY IS TO BUILD 417 UNITS OR WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TOWNHOUSES. AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE WATER FROM THE SEWER. WELL, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE AIRPORT HAZARD AREA? CANVIO OKAY. SO YES. SO CAN YOU ON THE SIDE THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED WHERE THE OFFICE BUILDING IS AND THE, THE YEAH, THAT'S IN THE SEWER SERVICE AREA. SO IT SEPTIC AND IT WOULD ALSO HAVE PUBLIC WATER. NOT WELL. OH OKAY. SEPTIC BUT IS IT ZONED. WHAT'S THE ZONING. THE ZONING IS LIGHT MANUFACTURING. SO THE ZONING WOULD NEED TO CHANGE TO ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO WHEN IS THAT MEETING GOING TO OCCUR. BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ZONING BOARD. NO. SO THE HOUSE CORRECT. CORRECT. 
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WELL, BECAUSE IT'S IN A MASTER PLAN ELEMENT AS A, AS A AS A SITE. SO IT'S THERE'S A PROCESS THAT WE, THAT WE GO THROUGH BEFORE THE ZONING CAN BE CHANGED. OKAY. SO YES, THE ZONING HAS NOT NOT BEEN CHANGED. HI THERE CHRISTINE NEWMAN. AND MAN AGAIN THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION. I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THE TOUGH NUT TO CRACK IN EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY ACROSS NEW JERSEY. I WHAT I BASICALLY AM HEARING IS WE HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS OR DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH PIPE RUN. IT SOUNDS TO ME, THOUGH, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE OPTIONS PUT A LOT OF OUR OWN DESTINY AND SORT OF LIKE BUILDERS CONTROL, AND THAT IN ANOTHER 30 YEARS WE COULD BE JUST HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT OTHER SITES AND MAYBE THEM NOT WANTING TO RENEW THE ABILITY TO KEEP THESE AS AFFORDABLE. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE PRIORITIZE PROJECTS THAT PUT US IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT. AND I THINK ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND THE PROJECT YOU SHARED. THAT REALLY FEELS LIKE THAT PUTS US IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT IN TERMS OF IN ANOTHER 20 YEARS STILL BEING IN CHARGE AND MAYBE NOT BACK HERE, HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS IN 30 YEARS AND BEING BEHIND THE BALL AGAIN ON ON OUR COUNTS 100%. YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A COMMENT. HI ANDREW DAVIS, I GET THAT, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, GET THE ATTORNEY'S VIEW IN MY FACE BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THIS. THE WHAT IS THE DEADLINE? THERE IS A DEADLINE TO MODIFY. THE PLAN THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED IS WHAT I'VE HEARD. BUT THAT THERE WAS A DEADLINE, JUNE A JUNE 30TH TO SUBMIT THE PLAN. OKAY. SO. AND NOW IT CAN BE AMENDED. DID I NOT HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? SO IT CAN BE AMENDED AT ANY TIME OR IS THERE SOME DEADLINE IN THE PARTICIPATION UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT? THERE'S THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT BY JUNE 30TH. THE OTHER DEADLINE I THINK YOU'RE THINKING OF IS ACTUALLY THERE'S THREE DEADLINES LEFT IN THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GUYS, BUT THE DEADLINE IS AUGUST 31ST WOULD BE OBJECTIONS TO THE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN JUNE 30TH. DECEMBER 31ST IS THE DEADLINE FOR THE COURT TO APPROVE A PLAN. MARCH 31ST OF 2026. AND THIS GOES TO THE OTHER LADY WHO WAS JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE ZONING OF WHY ARE WE HERE? THE ZONING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ADOPTED UNTIL MARCH 31ST OF 2026. SO WHILE THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW ALWAYS GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO MEND, WE CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO KNOW BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST IF WE'RE AMENDING IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STILL GET IN FOR THE COURT APPROVAL. AND HOWEVER, THE COURT'S GOING TO HANDLE THE PROCESS OF TOWNS THAT THEN HAVE TO AMEND AGAIN SO THAT YOU DON'T MISS THAT MARCH 31ST DEADLINE FOR WHEN ANY ZONING CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO BE ADOPTED. THIS IS ALL EXTREMELY FLUID, AND AS MUCH AS THE PUBLIC THINKS IT'S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT AS ATTORNEYS THAT PRACTICE IN THIS FIELD, AND I REPRESENT OVER A DOZEN TOWNS IN THE STATE, YOU KNOW, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER THIS SET OF RULES. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS, EACH ROUND HAD DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR DEED RESTRICTIONS. SO DEPENDING AT WHAT TIME YOU HAD THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS PLACED, THE FORM COULD LOOK DIFFERENT. SO WE'D LOVE TO BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT. WE'RE TRYING TO BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND WE'RE WE DO HAVE POTENTIAL PLAN C THROUGH Z. I WOULD SAY THE PROBLEM IS WE NEED TO GO ONE BY ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT TO THINGS. WE DON'T HAVE TO. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING STEP BY STEP AND TRYING TO BE VERY METICULOUS IN TAKING ONE FOOT AT A TIME. BUT TO CIRCLE BACK AGAIN, THE PLAN HAD TO BE ADOPTED BY JUNE 30TH. THE NEXT DEADLINE IS AUGUST 31ST. FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO OBJECT TO OUR PLAN, WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN AUGUST 31ST AND DECEMBER 31ST IS GOING TO BE THAT SAME. WE DON'T QUITE KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING INTO WHEN WE ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION ON JANUARY 31ST AND WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW THE COURT WOULD HANDLE ANY OBJECTIONS BETWEEN JANUARY 31ST AND MARCH 31ST. OKAY. SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THE CAN VIEW PROPERTY, IF IS REMOVED FROM THE PLAN, THAT WOULD ENTAIL WHAT A ZONING CHANGE OR A MASTER PLAN CHANGE THAT WOULD ENTAIL AN AMENDMENT TO THE HOUSING ELEMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN. AND WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME AGAIN IF YOU WOULD TO THAT WOULD BE SO WITH 
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WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE HOUSING PLAN. THERE ARE CERTAIN NOTICE PROVISIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MET. A PLAN HAS TO BE ON FILE TEN DAYS BEFORE A PLANNING BOARD MEETING THAT WOULD HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING. THERE WOULD THEN BE A PUBLIC HEARING DEPENDING. YOU KNOW, OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING WENT FOR WE HAD TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER SESSION. ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS COMPLETE, THEN THE PLANNING BOARD CAN CAN VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO AMEND THE PLAN AFTER THE DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING. SO LET'S SAY WE HAVE ANOTHER TOWN HALL AUGUST 25TH. AT SOME POINT AFTER THAT, PRESUMABLY, IF WE HAVE THE NEGOTIATIONS FAR ENOUGH ALONG THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE CHANGE, THEN THE BRAIN TRUST AT THE END HERE GOES INTO HIGH GEAR IN PUTTING THAT INTO A HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN FORMAT. THE GOOD NEWS IS THE HOUSING ELEMENT STAYS THE SAME. 
          IT'S THE FAIR SHARE PLAN THAT CHANGES AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT AMENDMENT COME FORWARD. WHAT THAT DATE WOULD BE WOULD ALL DEPEND ON WHEN THAT START OF THE NEW RACE WOULD BE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. MICROPHONE. AND MAYBE NOT EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU, MA'AM. AUGUST 25TH YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. SO WILL WE REVIEW THEN IF KEN VIEW IS 100% OFF THE TABLE, WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION AS TO THE ALTERNATE WHAT THE ALTERNATE PLAN SHOULD LOOK LIKE. WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT. AND THEN WE WOULD THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH AT THE PLANNING BOARD LEVEL, NOT AT A TOWN HALL, TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD REMOVE OFFICIALLY REMOVE KEN VIEW FROM THE PLAN. BUT THE REMOVAL HAPPENS WITH THE AMENDMENT. OKAY, BUT SO THEN WHEN WOULD WE KNOW IF IT'S WHEN IT'S OFFICIALLY OFF THE TABLE? WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD ADOPTS AN AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD BE HOW LONG AFTER THE 25TH? IT ALL DEPENDS WHEN THAT NEW PLAN HAS GOTTEN THE APPROPRIATE FEEDBACK TO THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HEARING WOULD HAPPEN ON THE NEW PLAN. SO THE ONE THING I COULD TELL YOU IS THERE'S A TEN DAY ADVANCE NOTICE OF THE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND ONCE IT'S ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AFTER PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S WHEN THE PLAN IS IN PLACE. IT'S HARD TO GIVE YOU A DATE OF WHEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN, BECAUSE THERE'S EVERYTHING HAS TO FALL INTO PLACE FIRST TO KNOW WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS GOING TO BE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OKAY. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT'S. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. FRANK DRIFT I LIVED IN MONTGOMERY 82 YEARS. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ARLINGTON VILLAGE. HOW MANY UNITS ARE ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THAT IN HARLOWTON? OH, THAT'S AROUND THREE VAN CLEVE'S DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, THAT'S AROUND THREE. I BELIEVE THAT ONE IS 11. IT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT WAS JUST ACTUALLY APPROVED ON THE AGENDA LAST THURSDAY. ANY OTHER ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT IS PIKE RUN. YOU MEAN IF YOU REMEMBER, DON'T YOU REMEMBER THIS? BUT WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED, 206, I MEAN, 95 206 BYPASS WAS COMING THROUGH THERE. SO THERE IS A BIG STRETCH OF PROPERTY IN THERE SINCE THEY DIVERTED TO OH SIX THAT IS NOT BEING USED. SO THAT PROPERTY IS JUST SITTING THERE DORMANT. WHY CAN'T YOU GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, LOOK, YOU CAN DEVELOP THAT BECAUSE NO 206 IS GOING TO BE THERE. WHY NOT DO THAT AND SAVE EVERYBODY A LOT OF TROUBLE? A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. I'M ABOUT 500, 600FT WIDE, MAYBE LONGER, WIDER AND A HALF A MILE WIDE. I BELIEVE THAT THE I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT THE WHEN THE DEVELOPER GOT IT FROM DOT, THEY HAD TO RESTRICT IT FROM DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF 206. NO. AFTER AFTER WHEN? WHEN IT WAS DETERMINED THAT DOT WOULD NO LONGER BE THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THAT STRIP OF LAND, WHEN THEY TRANSFERRED IT TO THE DEVELOPER TO BECOME PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE HOA LANDS, THAT IT HAD TO BE RESTRICTED? WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO IT, GO BACK TO WHOEVER AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THEM. YEAH. OKAY. SO WELL GOOD EVENING. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS ON ALL THIS AND YOUR TRANSPARENCY. IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED. I'M MY NAME IS TED GOLFINOPOULOS. I'M A RESIDENT OF. WHAT'S THAT? COULD YOU SPELL 
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THAT FOR ME? IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE HALF THE NIGHT. G O F I N O P O U L O S. THANK YOU. WELCOME. AND REALLY? ACTUALLY. SO I'VE WENT BY. SO YOU MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF RULES OF, OF FLUIDND A LOT OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING AS, AS WE GO. JUST SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY CURIOUS OVER THIS WHOLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOW IT CAME TO FRUITION, HOW WE AS A STATE CAN MANAGE IT, WHAT IT'S DOING TO A STATE THAT EACH MUNICIPALITY HAS TO DEAL WITH IT INDIVIDUALLY INSTEAD OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WHERE IT COULD BE DONE AS A MORE OF A GROUP OF MUNICIPALITIES, AND WHERE IS THE BEST AREAS TO DEVELOP, WE SEE A LOT OF OUR STATE, UNFORTUNATELY, BEING DAMAGED BY OVERDEVELOPMENT, LITERALLY SHRINKING, YOU KNOW, SINKING INTO THE GROUND. WE'VE SEEN IT ON ROUTE 22. WE'VE SEEN IT IN AREAS HERE IN MONTGOMERY, PRINCETON. I'VE BEEN IN THE CENTRAL JERSEY AREA MY WHOLE LIFE, AND I'M A DEVELOPER, TOO, AND I'M LITERALLY SEEING IT ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO I HOPE AT SOME POINT WE DO IT IN A MORE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AT A STATE LEVEL WHERE MUNICIPALITIES, WHERE COUNTIES WHERE EVERYONE COULD GET TOGETHER AND WE COULD REALLY SETTLE. SO MY QUESTION, I'M SORRY BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY TALKING TOO MUCH, BUT WHO THESE RULES, WHO ARE THEY LEGISLATED? ARE THEY LEGISLATED AT THE STATE LEVEL? WHO MAKES THESE RULES? HOW DO THEY COME ABOUT? THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. YES. SO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASPECTS HAVE REALLY EMANATED FROM THE MOUNT LAUREL DOCTRINE. SO THE INITIAL MOUNT LAUREL CASE WAS 1975. 
          MOUNT LAUREL ONE. MOUNT LAUREL TWO IS 1983. THE INITIALLY THE NEW JERSEY LEGISLATURE CREATED THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ALTERNATIVE FOR TOWNS GETTING SUED AND GOING INTO COURT FOR A BUILDER'S REMEDY. SO FAST FORWARD FROM 1994, WHEN THE FAIR HOUSING ACT WAS ENACTED. WE'RE FAST FORWARDING TILL NOW, LITERALLY THE TOWNSHIP JUST PREPARED THE FOURTH ROUND PLAN TO ADDRESS AN AMENDMENT TO THAT FAIR HOUSING ACT. SO IT'S A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT OF ALL TOWNS. MONTGOMERY IS ONE OF ABOUT, AT THIS POINT, 425 TOWNS HAVE FILED THEIR HOUSING PLANS. SO. MONK MONTGOMERY IS MONTGOMERY IS PART OF THAT. GO AHEAD. YEAH. OH, SURE. YEAH. YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT LOOKING AT IT REGIONALLY AND SOMETHING THAT WAS IT'S NO LONGER PERMITTED, BUT SOMETHING THAT WAS SIMILAR TO LIKE A REGIONAL LOOK WAS RCA'S REGIONAL REGIONAL CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENTS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE A TOWN COULD SEND PAYMENT TO ANOTHER TOWN. PERTH AMBOY WAS A BIG BENEFACTOR OF A LOT OF TOWNS THAT PAID THEM MONEY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE. SO THAT I THINK THAT'S SORT OF WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH HOW CAN WE LOOK AT THIS ON A REGIONAL LEVEL AND SORT OF CONCENTRATE ON THE CONCENTRATES, NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT KIND OF FOCUS DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE STATE? THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO ROUND THREE. SO IT'S MAYBE TEN PLUS YEARS AGO. 1999 OH 1999 SORRY, MY NAME IS MIKE CALLISON. I JUST REALLY HAD ONE QUESTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M DOING THE MATH RIGHT. THE EFFECTIVE ACREAGE UP IN THE SOURLANDS. NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS THESE MEETINGS IS ABOUT TEN ACRES. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. DEPENDING ON WHAT PART OF THE MOUNTAIN YOU'RE ON. YES. AND THE EFFECTIVE ACREAGE AND THE KEN VIEW PROPERTY, IF IT EVER, GOD FORBID, GOT BUILT WOULD BE WHAT, QUARTER ACRE IT. IT'S HARD TO SAY. BUT REMEMBER THE TEN ACRE ZONING IS ON SEPTIC AND WELL WATER. AND THE REDEVELOPMENT PORTION OF KEN VIEW IS ON SEWER AND PUBLIC WATER. SO QUARTER ACRE, IS THAT RIGHT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WE'RE AT THE 
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MASTER PLAN LEVEL. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A CONCEPT PLAN IN THE MASTER PLAN. SO I THINK THE LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A QUARTER ACRE. AND THERE ARE TOWNHOUSES. AND BUT THAT THAT'S NOT THE ZONING YET. SO THERE WOULD THERE STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF WORK ON THAT CONCEPT PLAN TO SEE WHERE IT MIGHT END UP. WELL, I WOULD SAY IT WAS CHERI, DO YOU REMEMBER, DID DID YOU HAVE A PART TWO AFTER THAT OR. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE FOR KEN VIEW IS SOMEWHERE APPROXIMATELY 300 ACRES OF WHAT THEY OWN. SO IT WOULD CONCENTRATE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED, AND THEN IT WOULD PRESERVE THE CIRCLE AROUND IT. SO IN A WAY, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT THE DENSITY PER ACRE WOULD BE BECAUSE IT'S TRYING TO ONLY DISTURB DISTURBED AREAS AND ANYTHING THAT ISN'T DISTURBED TO KEEP IT CONSERVED. AND THEN IF YOU GO INTO THE MATH OF THE CONSERVE VERSUS DISTURBED, ALMOST LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION, YOU HAVE WETLANDS AND UPLANDS, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PUT MORE DENSITY ONTO YOUR UPLAND PORTION. WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, UNDER ABOUT, WHAT, TWO AND A HALF TO 2 TO 2 AND A QUARTER OF DWELLINGS PER ACRE? YEAH, ABOUT TWO AND A QUARTER DWELLINGS PER ACRE. MY QUESTION IS, IT'S A BIT OF A MATTER OF SEMANTICS THAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW THAT KEN VIEW IS OFF THIS PLAN, BUT KEN VIEW IS NOT OFF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. HOW IS THE TOWNSHIP GOING TO PREVENT NOW THAT IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN? CAN'T A FUTURE DEVELOPER OR THE SAME DEVELOPER COME IN AND SAY, WELL, IT'S IN YOUR MASTER PLAN, I'M GOING TO SUE YOU IF YOU DON'T DEVELOP IT, HOW DO YOU CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS TO IT? BECAUSE IT'S STILL GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN SOME WAY. IT WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE DEVELOPED IN SOME WAY. ABSOLUTELY. BUT WITHOUT. IF AND WHEN THE PLAN'S AMENDED, IT WON'T BE IN THE MASTER PLAN ANYMORE. FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT RIGHT IS NO LONGER THERE. 
          WHAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS TO BE CAREFUL WITH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING OUR OBLIGATION ELSEWHERE, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE MEETING OUR OBLIGATION ELSEWHERE, EVEN IF WE WERE FIVE YEARS INTO THE PLAN AND THEY HADN'T COME FORWARD YET, IF WE'RE MEETING OUR OBLIGATION SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE CAN TAKE THEM OUT. THAT'S THAT'S IN THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. FOLLOW UP ON THAT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE MASTER PLAN, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MASTER PLAN AND THE ZONING, THE MASTER PLAN IS MORE OF POLICY GUIDANCE. IT'S MUCH MORE GENERAL, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC ZONING REGULATIONS IN IT. AND YOU CAN HAVE IDEAS AND POLICIES IN A MASTER PLAN THAT THEN NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED. AND DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ARE ONLY CONFERRED AFTER YOU ACTUALLY CHANGE THE ZONING OR ADOPT THE ZONING. SO A HOUSING PLAN AMENDMENT OR A HOUSING PLAN ELEMENT THAT HAS KEN VIEW OR MAGDIWANG OR WHATEVER ELSE IS IN IT, RIGHT? THEY DON'T GET DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS UNTIL THE ZONING IS ACTUALLY ADOPTED, AND WE HAVE UNTIL MARCH OF NEXT YEAR TO ADOPT ZONING. SO I THINK WE EXPLAINED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXPEDITE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THIS PROCESS TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN AMEND THAT HOUSING PLAN ELEMENT AND THEN ADOPT THE ZONING FOR THAT. SO RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE KEN VIEW IS IN THE HOUSING PLAN ELEMENT, THEY HAVE NO DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT ARE EXPRESSED AS POTENTIALLY THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN THAT MASTER PLAN. ONE OTHER QUESTION CAN I CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE MORE THING, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THAT PROPERTY DOES HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS ALREADY UNDER THE ZONING. SO THE AREA THAT IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN, WE WERE LOOKING TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE GRANDVIEW ROAD, THEY CAN TECHNICALLY GO, COME IN TOMORROW, GET A PERMIT AND START BUILDING WHATEVER THE ZONE RESIDENTIALS ARE. SO AND EXCEPT IT'S MOSTLY WETLANDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. BUT I KNOW THE WETLANDS MAP. NO, NO. ONE SIDE. YES, ABSOLUTELY SUBSTANTIAL WETLANDS ACROSS THE ROAD AS WELL AS THE PARK. AND THE IDEA OF THAT THEY'RE ONLY DEVELOPING OR CONSIDERING THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU KEEP REFERRING TO IT AS ONLY THE DEVELOPED LAND OR ONLY THE DISTURBED LAND. THE DISTURBED LAND IS BEAUTIFUL OPEN FIELDS. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING DEVELOPED FIELDS. BUT MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE COST TO THE TOWN PER 
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EXTENSION? ROUGHLY, BECAUSE THE COST OF AN EXTENSION VARIES BETWEEN 17,000 OR BETWEEN 12,500 PER UNIT AND 17,500 PER UNIT FOR A RENTAL AND 20,000 PER UNIT FOR A FOR SALE UNIT. THAT SEEMS REMARKABLY CHEAP CONSIDERING THE COST OF THE TOWNSHIP OF A 1 TO 4 RATIO OF DEVELOPMENT. THAT THAT'S WHY THEIR PRIORITY, RIGHT? AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PRIORITY ALL ALONG. AND IT HAS IT HAS. YOU CAN'T TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM PEOPLE. IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO AGREE TO EXTEND THOSE, THOSE PLANS. AND LUCKILY THE DEVELOPER HAS APPROACHED US TO, TO DO SO, WHICH IF THAT COMES INTO FRUIT THEN CAN VIEW WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REDISCUSSED NOW CAN VIEW ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF BECAUSE THERE'S NO TENANT THERE NOW BECAUSE THEY'VE ACTUALLY LEFT THE PROPERTY, IT BECAME IT BECOMES EMPTY AND THEY'VE ASKED FOR TAX ABATEMENTS, WHICH LOWERS OUR TAX DOLLARS LIKE A LOT. SO WHAT WOULD EVENTUALLY HAVE TO COME BACK TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT CAN VIEW AND YOU KNOW WHAT OUR PURPOSE TO CONTINUE IS? OUR ORIGINAL PURPOSE AND GOAL WAS TO FIND A TENANT THERE, SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT CAN CAN YOU DID THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. RIGHT. FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS GUY WHO'S GOING TO BUY THE PROPERTY. NOW HE'S I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S ON THE CONTRACT OR NOT, BUT MAYBE. MAYBE. YEAH. IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN ON THAT. YOU KNOW, LORI, DID YOU WANT TO FINISH THE THOUGHT THAT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. SO CAN YOU. SO IF IT'S IF THEY'RE IF THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE IT BELONGS TO THEM. AND IT'S AND IT'S JUST BETWEEN YOU AND THE PURCHASER. WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT OUR LANDMARKS COMMISSION IS TAKING A STAND. AND MAYBE THEY WILL WRITE TO GET SOMETHING OUT TO KEN VIEW AND MAYBE ASK THEM TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING. I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THE OWNERS, IT'S THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T OWN THE FORMER BUILDING. 
          THE LAST COMMENT IS SOMETHING YOU SAID IN A PREVIOUS MEETING. THIS CONCEPT OF THEM EXPIRING, GRANTED, IN 30 YEARS, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ON THIS PLANET, BUT IF THEY EXPIRE IN 30 YEARS, AGAIN, THIS NEEDS TO BE A SUSTAINABLE. IF YOU CAN PUT INTO THE DEED FOR THE FUTURE OF THE TOWN THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SELL TO EXTEND, BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY NOT A SUSTAINABLE SYSTEM. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE STATE GUIDELINES, BUT AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE EVER CHANGING RULES. FOR EXAMPLE, IT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN A SHORTER TIME FRAME THAN IT WENT TO 30 YEARS. NOW UNDER ROUND FOUR, TO GET CREDIT FOR A RENTAL UNIT, IT HAS TO BE 40 YEARS UNDER A DEED RESTRICTION, YOU KNOW. SO THIS EVERY TIME WE THINK WE'RE GETTING A HANDLE ON IT, THE STATE THROWS A CURVEBALL AT US. SO WE'RE TRYING. HI. FIRST OF ALL MY NAME IS KIRAN VYAKARANAM. VIA K A R A N A M. 
          SOMEBODY NOTING THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS TOWN HALL. IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL FOR ME PERSONALLY. I WANTED TO FIRST CLARIFY, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THERE WERE TWO PROPERTIES IN THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION RIGHT IN THE PLAN. ONE WAS GRANDVIEW AND THE OTHER 23 ORCHARD. SO IN THE AMENDMENT, IS IT RIGHT? I'M HEARING THAT ONLY CAN YOU IS IN QUESTION ALTT BOTH? SO THERE ARE JUST THAT THOSE TWO HAVE DRAWN THE MOST ATTENTION. THERE'S ALSO THE THRIVE CONTINUING CARE FACILITY. OKAY. THERE'S ALSO ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT. I COULD GO AHEAD. I THINK THAT IF YOUR QUESTION IS, ARE WE ALSO LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE AT 23 ORCHARD? YES. WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING IN THE PLAN OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, AS THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN THE 2206 CORRIDOR, RIGHT? BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. IS THE TOWNSHIP ACTIVELY LOOKING AT WALKWAYS, PATHWAYS, PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS AND BIKEWAYS? YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT I'M A NEW RESIDENT, FAIRLY NEW COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHERS HERE WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS. BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE FUTURE AND I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND BIKEWAYS, ESPECIALLY IN THE 206 CORRIDOR, THEY'RE SEVERELY LACKING. SO I JUST WANTED TO 
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UNDERSTAND FROM THE TOWNSHIP PLANNING. ARE WE ABLE TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WITH THE BUILDERS AND THE DEVELOPERS? SO OUR PLANNING BOARD ACTUALLY CHANGED THE ZONING MAYBE TEN, 15 YEARS AGO TO REQUIRE SIDEWALKS TO BE INSTALLED. SO THERE ARE BEFORE WE DID NOT REQUIRE SIDEWALKS TO BE INSTALLED. THEY ARE IN SOME SUBDIVISIONS, BUT THEY WERE DONE AT THE SUBDIVISION LEVEL. SO WE ARE PIECEMEALING. SO YOU'LL SEE, LIKE THAT SIDEWALK DOESN'T CONNECT TO SOMETHING YET. SO WE'RE WORKING WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE GOT A $3 MILLION GRANT FROM THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY TO EXTEND SIDEWALK. THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND TO CONNECT THIS AREA WITH THE 2065 18 SORT OF COMMERCIAL AREA. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, OVER THE COMING YEARS. I MEAN, WE'RE IN DESIGN, YOU KNOW, INITIAL STAGES OF THE DESIGN PHASE RIGHT NOW FOR THAT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS. SO THE SKILLMAN SO WHAT WE WHAT WE DO IS WE APPLY FOR A LOT OF GRANTS. 
          WE TRY AND LEVERAGE THAT WAY. AND THEN DEVELOPERS ALSO EITHER BUILD SIDEWALKS OR THEY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE SIDEWALK FUND, WHICH HELPS BUILD THEM IN OTHER MISSING PIECES. BUT AS YOU'RE AS YOU HAVE THIS TWO, THREE YEAR PLAN, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, IS THERE IS THERE LIKE A MAP? IS IT ALREADY MAPPED OUT SO THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS DON'T COME IN THE WAY OF THAT IN THE FUTURE? YES, YES. IF YOU IF YOU LEAVE INFORMATION, I CAN EMAIL YOU. THE MAP I THINK WOULD ALSO DO SOMETHING WHERE WE WILL HAVE IN ONE OF OUR COMING TOWNSHIP MEETINGS, HAVE THE WHOLE WALKABILITY PLAN SO THAT THERE IS DEFINITELY THE CONNECTION. AND EVERYBODY DOES ASK US IF I WANT TO RIDE MY BIKE FROM 23 ORCHARD LOCATION TO PROMENADE WHEN IT COMES. SO THERE IS PLANS AND AS LORI SAID, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ONE OF OUR TOWNSHIP COMMITTEES, WHICH HAS WHICH OUR MEETINGS ARE ON THURSDAYS AT SEVEN EVERY ALTERNATE THURSDAY, THE FIRST AND THE THIRD. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION AND A MAP TO SHARE. THANK YOU. IT'S MATTHEW RICCARDI AGAIN. FOLLOWING UP ON ONE OF HIS COMMENTS. AND I THINK IT'S SORT OF FROM MY EXPERIENCE HAVING GROWN UP IN THE TOWNSHIP. SO I'VE BEEN IN AND AROUND THE TOWNSHIP FOR, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS OR SO THAT DEVELOPMENT, THE TOWNSHIP HAD BEEN PLANNED VERY MYOPICALLY WITHOUT REGARD FOR KIND OF NATURAL, NATURALLY OCCURRING CONCENTRATIONS, SORT OF LOCAL TOWNS LIKE THERE'S BLOOMINGBURG, THERE'S ROCKY HILL, THERE'S 206 CORRIDOR NOW, AND THERE'S NOT REALLY BEEN A COHERENT PLAN FOR GENERATIONS, I THINK, TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE DEVELOPMENT THAT EXISTS IN THE TOWNSHIP WILL ACCOMMODATE DENSITY, WALKABILITY, BICYCLES, ETC. TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO GET, SAY, FROM YOUR HOUSE OR YOUR TOWNHOUSE OR YOUR APARTMENT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, TO WALK TO A SUPERMARKET. INSTEAD, EVERYBODY HAS TO DRIVE AND THEY HAVE TO DRIVE ALONG THE 206 QUARTER. 
          THEY GO SIT IN THE CVS PARKING LOT. THIS NEW PLAN ABOUT THE BY THE BELLEMEADE STATION IS AGAIN A LARGE PARKING LOT. IF YOU LOOK AROUND SORT OF FOR LIVABILITY AREAS, PLACES THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO VISIT, THEY HAVE IN A SENSE PARKING IS CONCEALED ALMOST PRINCETON LIKE. AND THEN YOU BUILD TOWNHOUSES AROUND IT AND THEN YOU HAVE A WALKABLE TOWN, A WALKABLE MAIN STREET, SOMETHING THERE. BUT INSTEAD WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS KIND OF SORT OF LIKE METASTATIC SPRAWL THAT RESULTED FROM MYOPIC PLANNING FOR 30, 40, 50 YEARS. AND IT WOULD BE NICE IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT CONCENTRATING STUFF ALONG THE 200 CORRIDOR, GREAT. BUT THEN THINKING ABOUT HOW DO YOU CONNECT ALL THOSE PIECES SO IT ALL CONNECTS NICELY, AND SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET AROUND WITHOUT HAVING TO RELY ON THEIR CARS, BECAUSE ALREADY PEOPLE SIT TOO MUCH TIME IN TRAFFIC IN THEIR TOWNSHIP AND SPEND TOO MUCH TIME IN LARGE PARKING LOTS, WHICH ARE FRANKLY UNPLEASANT AND MAKE THE TOWNSHIP LESS LIVABLE AND LESS NICE FOR ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO COME HERE WITH YOUNG KIDS AND ARE LOOKING JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND. AND I CAN SAY THAT PART OF THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE EXTENSIONS AND THAT TRANSIT COMMERCIAL SITE IS EXTENDING SIDEWALKS IN AREAS WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED SO THAT THOSE NEW RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS. SORRY. DO YOU MIND PASSING THE MICROPHONE? THANKS. THE TOWNSHIP BENT OVER FOR GENERATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE DEVELOPER INTERESTS WITHOUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS, RIGHT? SO UNDERSTANDABLY, THE TOWNSHIP HAS A SORT OF LIMITED LEVERAGE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. BUT JUST SIMPLY SAYING, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO HAVE SIDEWALKS OR WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE SIDEWALKS AS A CONDITION OF REZONING ISN'T QUITE ENOUGH. THERE SHOULD BE A COHERENT PLAN TO DRAW THOSE SIDEWALKS TOGETHER THAT CONNECT A LITTLE CENTER, A LITTLE COMMERCIAL CENTER, OR BICYCLE LANES THAT CONNECT TO DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL CENTERS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD SAY, GET FROM ROCKY HILL TO BELLEMEADE OR ROCKY HILL TO BLOOMBERG WITHOUT HAVING NECESSARILY TO RELY ON CARS THE WHOLE WAY. GOOD POINT. IT MAY 
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NOT SEEM LIKE IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 50 YEARS OR SO AGO, THE BELLEMEADE NODE AND THE ROCKY HILL NODE WERE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT BUILD OUT IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO IT MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT IS, WHAT, 50, 60 YEARS AGO THAT THEY HAD INTENDED. BUT YOU CAN'T WALK ACROSS 206. YOU PARK THERE, YOU DRIVE, YOU DRIVE INTO THE PARKING LOT OF THE SHOPRITE, OR DRIVE INTO THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET. WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE, NO ONE'S WALKING ACROSS. 206 THERE'S NO WALKABILITY IN THE ROCKY HILL NODE. YOU CAN WALK THROUGH ROCKY HILL THAT THE HISTORIC ROCKY HILL YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN AND WALK DOWN TO THE CANAL. THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE BUILT IN THE 19TH CENTURY, BUT ALL THE RECENT STUFF THAT'S BEEN BUILT BEEN DEVELOPED UNDER A SORT OF MODERN DEVELOPMENT. REGIMES IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ARE DESIGNED AROUND PARKING YOUR FREAKING CAR AND THEN WALKING TO THE STRIP MALL AND THEN GETTING BACK IN YOUR CAR. YOU CAN'T WALK TO A LITTLE DOWNTOWN. PRINCETON, AS IT HAPPENS, SEEMS TO HAVE MANAGED THIS SOMEWHAT IN THE CENTER OF PRINCETON WHEN THEY DEVELOPED THAT LARGE OPEN AREA BEHIND PALMER SQUARE, THEY BUILT IT UP DENSELY, AND THEN YOU CAN PARK IN A GARAGE THERE, AND THEN YOU CAN WALK THROUGH PRINCETON. BUT MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP HAS NOTHING LIKE THAT, AND IT'S A LACK OF PLANNING. I THINK THAT'S FACILITATED THAT. YEAH. DAVE LEONARD, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, I GUESS PRIMARILY FOR DENNIS, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE MENTIONED TWICE NOW THAT WITH KEN VIEW DECOMMISSIONING AT ACTIVITIES AT THE SITE, THAT WE'LL LOSE TAX REVENUE. WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR REDUCING SOMEBODY'S TAX BASIS JUST BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS EMPTIED OUT? IF I TAKE A LONG VACATION AND MY HOUSE IS EMPTY, I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS WOULD REDUCE MY TAXES. DENNIS. I'LL LET LAURIE RESPOND TO THAT, I THINK. SO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DON'T WORK EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. AND THEN ON THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IF IT'S VACANT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, THAT VALUE GETS DEVALUED, BECAUSE NOW IT'S NOT WORTH AS MUCH BASED ON WHAT'S BEING PRODUCED THERE. SO IT'S NOT THE SAME CALCULATIONS OF HOW YOU WOULD DO A RESIDENTIAL TAX APPEAL. ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET DOWN TO WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR LAND VALUE, WHICH IS THE SAME ANYWHERE IN TOWN. 
          THERE'S THE LAND VALUE ASSESSMENT AND THEN THERE'S THE IMPROVEMENTS ASSESSMENT. SO IF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE SUCH THAT THEY CLAIM THAT THEY CAN'T GET FUNCTIONING BUSINESSES IN THERE OR IT NEEDS, IT'S DILAPIDATED, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT MARKERS FOR COMING IN FOR A TAX APPEAL ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAN RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT. 
          CORRECT. THAT BECOMES A LAWSUIT ACTUALLY. SO THAT GOES TO TAX COURT. AND THAT ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THE STATE TAX COURT BASED ON THE VALUE. WELL, MAYBE YOU COULD SET IT SO THAT THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE TAXES AND THEN WE COULD BUY IT. ON THE TAX SIDE. WE CAN TALK LATER. I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WAITING TO ASK QUESTIONS. SO IF YOU HAVE ALREADY ASKED THE QUESTION, CAN YOU PLEASE HOLD UNTIL EVERYONE WHO HASN'T ASKED A QUESTION GETS A CHANCE TO DO SO? THANK YOU. HI, ALDEN ROSEN R O S E N. I'VE MISSED CATCHING UP, AND I'M. AND I'M UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. WHAT I, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT WHILE YOU'RE HEARING THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT KEN VIEW, THE KEN VIEW IS STILL VERY MUCH IN THE PLAN. AND UNLESS YOU ARE RELEASED BY THIS DEVELOPER OR THIS DEVELOPER CONTINUES WITH THIS RELEASE, THAT YOU COULD STILL GO FOR THE 400 UNITS, RESIDENTIAL UNITS COULD STILL GO FORWARD. WHEN YOU SAY DEVELOPER, WHO DO YOU MEAN THE KEN DEVELOPER OR DO YOU MEAN THE PIKE RUN? SO NO, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE OWNERS OF PIKE RUN TO EXTEND CONTROLS AT PIKE RUN, WHICH COULD THEN MEAN THAT WE DON'T NEED CAN VIEW, WE DON'T NEED UNITS AT CAN VIEW. GOT IT. SO THE DEVELOPER WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH IS PIKE RUN RIGHT NOW OKAY. SO IF YOU NEGOTIATE WITH THAT DEVELOPER AND THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT THEN YOU'RE STILL CAN VIEW IS STILL ON THE TABLE. CAN BE IS NOT OFF THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. I THINK WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO SAY IS THAT WE HAVE A TOWN HALL TONIGHT. WE TRIED TO SHARE A LOT OF INFORMATION BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS WAS WE WANTED TO SEE, EVEN FROM PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, WE WANTED TO SEE OPTIONS. SO I NEED I GOT IT. WE HAVE ANOTHER TOWN HALL ON THE 25TH. YEAH. OKAY. JUST TO REITERATE, THERE'S PLAN C, D, E, F IN THE BACKGROUND TOO. WE'RE JUST GOING ONE PLAN AT A TIME. YEAH. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE 
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OUT I YOU KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO READ YOU ALL MY CRAP NOW. AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING THE VIABILITY OF PUTTING 400 UNITS IN THAT LOCATION? HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, OF COURSE. DOES ANYONE LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, THE HEALTH IMPACTS AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND AREAS OF THE TOWN THAT ARE NOT AND WERE NEVER BUILT TO HANDLE THAT DEGREE OF VOLUME OF TRAFFIC? IT. WHO DECIDES THAT? SO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL WOULDN'T COME FORTH UNTIL THERE WAS AN APPLICATION BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, AS MICHAEL HAD NOTED EARLIER, WE DID A MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT. THIS IS VERY CONCEPTUAL. AFTER THAT, THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO CHANGE ZONING BEFORE ANYONE PERFECTS THEIR RIGHTS TO A CERTAIN TYPE OF ZONING ONCE THEIR ZONING IN PLACE. THEN YOU START WITH, JUST LIKE IF YOU WERE BUILDING A HOUSE AND LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU NEED ANY VARIANCES, HOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, SEPTIC, SEWER, ALL OF THAT COMES INTO PLAY WHEN YOU GET TO AN APPLICATION LEVEL. THAT'S WHEN WE CAN THEN HAVE THE DEVELOPER DO THE STUDIES TO SHOW THAT THE SITE CAN SUPPORT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. AND WHAT IF IT DOESN'T? JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PLANNING BOARD APPLICATION, THEN MODIFICATIONS HAVE TO BE MADE BEFORE IT GETS APPROVED. OKAY, I HEAR THAT, I HEAR THAT, BUT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT GRANDVIEW AND THE AND THE FACILITIES OR THE SEWER AND WATER BEING UP THERE, ETC. NO ONE HAS. I MEAN, I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME AND TALKED AND SPOKEN ABOUT FAIRVIEW, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 400 RESIDENCES AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 400 ADDITIONAL CARS POTENTIALLY, AND TWO WAYS THAT IT CAN VIEW, THERE'S ONE DOWN GRANDVIEW, FAIRVIEW THAT GOES THAT DIRECTION AND THE OTHER ONE GOES, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY INTO THE TRAFFIC AREA. SO WHEN YOU PUT I LIVE ON FAIRVIEW, 30 CARS GO DOWN THAT ROAD A DAY, RIGHT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THAT TRAFFIC LEVEL TO POTENTIALLY 200 CARS A DAY OR TRIPS BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL OR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET AROUND TRAFFIC AND CITY CENTERS TO GET THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL ON TIME. YOU ARE THE IMPACT, THE POLLUTION, THE DEGRADATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON FAIRVIEW IS ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE. IT'S POTENTIALLY 1000 AND 233% INCREASE. IN IN IN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD REALLY CLEARLY IS. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW OF ALL OF THE ILLNESSES AND SO FORTH THAT THAT ARE. AFFECTED BY POLLUTION AND CAR. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MILE ROAD THAT HAS 290 DEGREE TURNS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE AT FIVE MILES AN HOUR, IF THAT. SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T EVEN PASS OTHER CARS IF SOMEONE'S GOT THEIR MAILBOX DOWN, GOOD LUCK. YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT LOSE IT. SO AND WE ALL KNOW IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN FAIRVIEW, WHICH I ASSUME YOU HAVE, THERE'S NOWHERE TO WIDEN THAT ROAD AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT IN STORM DRAINAGE. THERE'S NOWHERE TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE A LOT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES ON THAT STREET THAT FLOOD. AND THE LAST THING THAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT. THAT LEVEL OF CHANGE IN POLLUTION, WE MOVED HERE. FOR REASONS THAT WE WANTED PEACE, HEALTH TO BE WITH NATURE AND LET OUR FAMILY HEAL. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED, AND WE'VE COME UP AGAINST A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. I NOW HAVE AN IMMUNOCOMPROMISED CHILD WITH A LIFE LIMITING DISEASE IN THAT HOUSE. HIS LUNGS AND HIS HEART ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO PROTECT. I HAVE TEN SPECIALISTS THAT I SEE ON A DAILY BASIS FOR THIS KID. HE IS AT THE DOCTOR EVERY DAY, AND IF YOU'RE TALKING 
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ABOUT PUTTING THAT MUCH TRAFFIC DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN I LIVE IN A HISTORICAL HOME PORTION OF WHICH WAS BUILT IN THE 1700S, THAT'S 20FT FROM THE ROAD. WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I HAVE TO DO? MOVE, DEAL WITH IT. WHEN? WHEN DOES THAT COME INTO THE CONVERSATION? THE. THIS IS THIS IS AN AN ABSOLUTELY UNTENABLE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC INCREASE GOING DOWN FAIRVIEW ROAD. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CRAWL AT 6.5 MILES AN HOUR DURING RUSH HOUR. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO SIT AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO IDLE, AND IT IS GOING TO RELEASE SO MUCH POLLUTION INTO THAT AREA THAT IT'S IRREPARABLE AND IT IS FORESEEABLE. EVERYONE HERE KNOWS IT IS A FORESEEABLE PROBLEM THAT CAN BE AVOIDED. SO I, I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY THAT'S TELLING ME THAT MY WELLS ARE. BUT THE DRINKING WATER STANDARDS ARE IN THIS AREA, IN FAIRVIEW BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ON SEPTIC AND SEWER AND WELLS IS NOT TO STANDARD, AND THAT I HAVE A CLAIM FOR REMEDIATION, POTENTIALLY, AND THAT I NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF HAVING MY WATER TESTED AND SO FORTH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO HIGH OF LEVELS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, TO COME POUND THAT WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DISCUSSING OR YOU HAVE ON THE TABLE FOR CAN VIEW IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC. THANK YOU. WE WELCOME THIS FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. MR. DREW. DO YOU NEED THE MICROPHONE. SORRY. YOU SAID BEFORE THERE WERE TOTALLY VACANT OVER THERE. TEN OF YOU, 135 CARS A DAY THERE. THAT'S PROBABLY. 
          ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING JANICE. BATH. BATH. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS EARLY ON AND I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T HEAR ALL THE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES, BUT DID YOU MENTION A PROPERTY ON CHERRY VALLEY? AND WHERE IS THAT IT? IT IS CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION WITH 206. SO IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE NEW PSEG SUBSTATION IS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE OTHER THING, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE AIRPORT, BUT THAT'S MY LIFE. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON THERE, THERE ARE THERE'S HOUSING THAT'S BEING BUILT. SO. 
          WERE THERE CONCESSIONS THAT WERE GIVEN FOR THOSE ABOUT THE MONTGOMERY PROMENADE? YES. YES. 
          THAT THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE AIRPORT HAZARD AREA. SO THAT'S MEASURED. THE AIRPORT HAZARD AREA IS MEASURED A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE RUNWAY. AND SO THERE THAT'S THAT'S AT THE LIMIT. SO THERE'S THE 518 HOMES. AND THEN THERE'S HOMES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH MONTGOMERY PROMENADE AND THEN THE AIRPORT HAZARD AREA. OKAY. AND THEN SO THOSE ACRES THAT ARE FOR SALE RIGHT NOW ARE INSIDE THE HAZARD ZONE. IS THAT IS THAT THERE BEYOND IT. BEYOND IT. WHAT ACRES ARE FOR SALE RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SURE. HOUSES. THERE'S A THERE'S A SIGN I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AIRPORT PROPERTY OR WHATEVER, BUT EIGHT ACRES NEXT. THE. OH, THAT'S IT. YES. OH THE ONE THAT'S AT THE FRONT OF AIR PARK ROAD. THAT'S IN THE AIRPORT HAZARD AREA. YES. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING AND I DON'T WANT TO BE A SPOILER HERE, BUT SO SAY THIS DOES NOT COME TO PASS WHERE YOU CAN GET THE EXTENSIONS. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE 400 UNITS. 
          THAT'S 400 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. NO THAT'S INCLUSIONARY. INCLUSIONARY. OKAY. CAN YOU JUST SHARE HER THE SPLIT, PLEASE? YEAH. IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU SHARED A SPLIT SHARE THE SPLIT OF THE MARKET RATE VERSUS AFFORDABLE. CAN YOU. YES. IT WAS 7070 ON SITE. NOT COUNTING THE EXTENSIONS ALSO. SO 70 ON SITE. AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO HELP FUND THE MONEY NEEDED FOR THE EXTENSIONS OFF SITE. AND THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN US ANOTHER HOW MANY CREDITS, ANOTHER 54 
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CREDITS, 124 CREDITS. RIGHT. BUT ONLY 70 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS BUILT ON SITE. SO NET NET WE'RE LOOKING AT ONLY 70. EXCUSE ME, ONLY NOT 170 THOUGH. SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A POSSIBILITY OF 70 UNITS HAVING TO BE BUILT. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? IF WE DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL EXTENSIONS WE HAVE TO BUILD THEM. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET AS MANY EXTENSIONS AS POSSIBLE. YES. I JUST TRYING TO GET MY ARMS AROUND WHAT THE WORST SCENARIO IS. YES. LOOK LIKE. AND THAT'S 70 ODD UNITS OKAY. AND YOU HAVE A WAY OF JUDGING HOW MUCH ACREAGE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE. 
          THE 70 WOULD BE INTERSPERSED WITH THE OTHER UNITS TO BE BUILT THERE. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S MORE MARKET RATE AND SOME ARE INCLUSIONARY. SO THEY'RE ALL MIXED TOGETHER. OKAY. BUT SAY I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MIX THEM TOGETHER. BUT IF WE WERE JUST SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE 70 UNITS WE HAVE TO BUILD AND WE NEED LAND TO DO THAT. HOW MUCH LAND WOULD YOU NEED? DEPENDS HOW HIGH YOU WANT TO GO. WELL, THE STORAGE UNITS COULDN'T GO THREE STORIES, SO I DON'T KNOW. THREE STORIES DOESN'T GET TOO MUCH. YEAH. IS IT REALLY IN RESPONSE TO ANY ONE QUESTION. BUT I DO THINK IT HELPS CLARIFY THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH. AND THAT IS THAT WHILE MUNICIPALITIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING REALISTIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO GET BUILT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN NEW JERSEY IS PRIMARILY A PRODUCT OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS WHY IT IS SO DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO GET THESE. THE THIRD ROUND PLAN TOOK US FIVE YEARS TO DO, MAYBE LESS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'VE HAD BASICALLY FOUR MONTHS TO GET A PLAN DONE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE THESE NEGOTIATIONS AND THESE, YOU'RE REACHING OUT, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE SITE, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THESE CONTACTS. IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROPOSITION. BUT IF MONTGOMERY WAS TO TAKE ALL THIS ON THEMSELVES, THIS WOULD BE 100, $100 MILLION OF WORK. RIGHT? SO PART OF THIS PROCESS IS REALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS AND TALKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND INTERESTED FOLKS TO FILTER IT OUT AND FIND WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS. SO THAT'S PART OF THAT PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID. SO I JUST WANT TO PASS THAT ON CLARIFICATION. THANKS. MY NAME IS JALAL AHMED A H M AND THANK YOU FOR THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE WAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE COMING FORTH FROM PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES, BUT THIS IS A GREAT I HAVE ONE QUESTION WHICH IS RELATED TO THE DATES IN IN GREAT THAT YOU'RE TELLING THERE IS AN INTENT, PROBABLY TO CHANGE THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE FILED FROM THE DEADLINE OF 31ST AUGUST TO FIVE. OBJECTION. WHAT IS WHAT IS THE PLAN TO BE CONSIDERED? IS IT WHAT YOU HAVE FILED CURRENTLY, OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO AMEND THAT, AND THERE WILL BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND AND OBJECT TO THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THE DEADLINE TO 31ST AUGUST IS JUST THE DEADLINE TO OBJECT. SO WHICH PLAN IS OFFICIAL PLAN AT THE MOMENT? THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT ME TO WRITE RIGHT NOW? THE OFFICIAL ADOPTED HOUSING PLAN ELEMENT IS THE ONE THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED AND THAT IS IN FORCE CURRENTLY. YEAH. AND JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THESE TOWN HALLS BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE OPTION THAT'S BEING, BEING PROPOSED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE, THE RESIDENTS. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING OUR COMMITMENT THERE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANTHONY GATTO. GATTO. AND EARLIER THIS EVENING YOU MENTIONED THAT NEGOTIATIONS WERE UNDERWAY WITH THE OWNER OF PIKE RUN, AM I CORRECT? WHICH IS A RENTAL, A RENTAL COMMUNITY, AM I CORRECT? YES, YES. NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING. WHAT WASN'T SPOKEN TO VERY MUCH TONIGHT WAS ABOUT MCKINLEY COURT AND MONTGOMERY AND MONTGOMERY WALK. MCKINLEY COURT IS PART PARTIALLY RENTAL, PARTIALLY OWNED. MONTGOMERY WALK IS FULLY OWNER FULLY OWNED. HOW DOES IT WORK SPECIFICALLY WITH THE OWNED UNITS WHERE IT'S NOT A DEVELOPER OWNING THEM, BUT INDIVIDUAL, INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS? HOW DOES THIS PROCESS WORK? AND WHAT HAPPENS 
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IF THE OWNER SAY NO? HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT WORK? DO YOU WANT TO. SO THERE'S A NEGOTIATION THAT HAPPENS WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND THE OWNERS. AND THEN IF ALL OF THEM WERE NOT TO COME TO FRUITION, THERE'S A MIDPOINT REVIEW IN ROUND AND EVERY ROUND. AND SO IN ROUND FOUR AND FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THE STATE WANTS AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT. SO IF WE'RE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE, THE PLAN COULD POTENTIALLY BE AMENDED. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE MIDPOINT REVIEW. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION HAS, SINCE I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE IN THIS SITUATION, HAVE THESE EXTENSIONS BEEN SOMETHING THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE SUCCESSFULLY, OR HAVE THEY GOTTEN PUSHBACK, PARTICULARLY ON ON FOR SALE UNITS? HOW IS THAT? HOW'S THAT HISTORY BEEN? WELL, IT REALLY DEPENDS. I CAN SAY IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S BEEN RELATIVELY SUCCESSFUL. IT'S GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF IT AND BEING DON'T WAIT TILL THE MIDPOINT REVIEW TO START LOOKING FOR THESE. YOU TALK TO THE OWNERS ABOUT THE PROGRAM, WHAT IT MEANS TO THEM. THEY GET MONEY. IT HELPS THEM FIX UP THEIR PLACE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REHABILITATION COMPONENT TO THIS THAT THEY CAN USE THE MONEY FOR. AND A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THAT MONEY. 
          SO IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. BUT IT'S DETERMINED WORKING AND OUTREACH THAT THAT REALLY BREEDS SUCCESS IN THAT RESPECT. THANK YOU. HAVE YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO YOU? HI, MICHAEL. GAN GAN, I JUST HAD TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. I KNOW THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE REVIEW SITE, BUT WERE THERE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE MASTER PLAN? THE HOUSING ELEMENT? AND THEN MY SECOND COMMENT WAS, I THINK IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO BE ASSUMING EVERYTHING WORKED OUT WELL, WOULD BE CONSIDERING TRYING TO REMOVE THE REVIEW SITE FROM THE MASTER PLAN. THE HOUSING ELEMENT. SO IS THAT A COMMITMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE ARE WILL BE TRYING TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE MASTER PLAN? BECAUSE MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF IT'S NOT REMOVED FROM THE MASTER PLAN, THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT TO SUPPORT A USE VARIOUS APPLICATION. WE MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT, WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING IN THE PLAN, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE QUESTION WAS AROUND THE 23 ORCHARD SITE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF IF IT WERE CANVEY WERE TO BE REMOVED, THE DEVELOPER, I MEAN, AT ANY POINT IN TIME, ANYONE COULD FILE A USE VARIANCE FOR ANY PROPERTY IN TOWN. SO I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD JUST BE THE SAME AS WHEN THE SELF-STORAGE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND APPLIED TO THE ZONING BOARD IN TERMS OF IF THAT WAS A ROUTE, BECAUSE THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW PROVIDES FOR THAT FOR ANY PROPERTY OWNER OR ANY DEVELOPER. ANY OTHER QUESTION. FOR THAT FIRST QUESTION IS WHETHER OR. PRODUCTIVITY. AND DECISIONS CAN BE MADE FOR OTHER. THAN MISUNDERSTANDING. SORRY, BUT. SO JUST TO SAY IT ANOTHER WAY, AS LAURIE MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE PROPERTIES, RIGHT. THE IDEA IS TO SOLICIT ADDITIONAL AND CONTINUING FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AS TO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN IN THE PLAN. SO IF OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, LET'S SAY WE CAN EXTEND, YOU KNOW, 200 CONTROLS AND NOT HAVE TO BUILD ANYTHING. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST OPTION THAT THE TOWNSHIP IS GOING TO LOOK AT. BUT RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS SOMEWHAT BACK ON THE TABLE ABSENT SOMETHING THAT ALREADY GOT APPROVAL WITH A ZONING APPROVAL. BUT EVERYTHING IS BEING LOOKED AT WITH. I THINK MOST OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT HAS BEEN ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE ALTERNATIVE TO PROVIDE FOR THE REMOVAL OF KEN VIEW, BUT WE'RE SOLICITING FEEDBACK ON ANY OF THE SITES THAT ARE INCLUDED AND ALL OF THEM, ANYBODY WHO HASN'T SPOKEN YET, I DON'T WANT TO. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT JUST LIKE, CAN YOU CAN YOU USE THE MICROPHONE? YEAH. SORRY. YOU NEED A MIC. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT JUST A CLARIFICATION. YOU MENTIONED MENTIONED A BUNCH OF DATES. AUGUST 31ST, DECEMBER 31ST. 
          MARCH 31ST IS ARE THESE GOING TO BE PUBLISHED SOMEWHERE? SO WHAT ARE THESE DEADLINES FOR? OR IS IT JUST AT THIS MEETING WE GET THOSE DATES. WE HAVE DEADLINES IN THE POWERPOINT THAT'S UP ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WEB PAGE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE JANUARY POWERPOINT. BUT WE'LL WE COULD PROBABLY ADD A JUST A DEADLINE SLIDE RIGHT TO THAT PAGE. SO THE IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THE DEADLINE FOR THE AMENDMENTS IS DECEMBER 31ST. OR IS IT AUGUST 31ST? NO, NO. THE DEADLINE FOR THE COURT TO APPROVE A PLAN IS DECEMBER 31ST. OKAY. AMENDMENTS THERE. THERE WAS NO DEADLINE FOR 
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AN AMENDMENT IN THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. THE AMENDMENT WOULD COME FROM A DIFFERENT LAW, WHICH IS A MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW THAT ALLOWS YOU TO CONTINUOUSLY REVIEW AND UPDATE YOUR MASTER PLAN ELEMENTS. SO HOLD ON. WE JUST THIS IS BEING RECORDED FOR PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T BE HERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEING A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF MAKING SURE EVERYONE'S SPEAKING INTO A MIC. OTHERWISE THE FOLKS THAT LISTEN THE RECORDING WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          THANK YOU. SO WHEN, WHEN CAN THE TOWNSHIP MAKE BY WHEN CAN THE TOWNSHIP MAKE THESE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT OR THE ALTERNATES? IF WE HAD A NEW PLAN TO PRESENT, WE COULD DO IT IN 15 DAYS FROM NOW, AFTER IT GETS PUBLISHED, FOR TEN DAYS NOTICE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT I THINK WAS SUGGESTED EARLIER IS THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT AN AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE HEARD AT A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ALL OF THEIR DATES PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE, AND THAT WILL COME FORWARD AT ONE OF THOSE DATES. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE AGENDAS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE HAVE HEARD THE FEEDBACK WE'RE TAKING ADDITIONAL BEYOND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND EVEN IN PUBLICIZING THIS TOWN HALL, THE SAME I THINK THE SAME EFFORTS WOULD BE DONE FOR A THE AGENDA FOR A PLANNING BOARD HEARING. SO WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE YOU HEAR ABOUT IT. BUT I DON'T HAVE A DATE THAT I COULD GIVE YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE AUGUST 31ST DEADLINE? AUGUST 31ST IS WHEN AN INTERESTED PARTY CAN MOUNT A CHALLENGE AGAINST THE TOWNSHIP'S PLAN. IT'S NOT AN ACTION WE TAKE. IT'S AN ACTION WE HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE IF OTHERS TAKE. WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER OR SOMETHING. WHAT THAT IS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME HOW TO CHALLENGE THE TOWNSHIP PLAN, THAT'S NOT MY JOB TO GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON. SO THE NEXT DEADLINE YOU HAVE IS THE NEXT DEADLINE THE TOWNSHIP HAS IS MARCH 31ST OF 2026. SO AT ANY TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, YOU CAN CHANGE THE PLAN AND ANYTIME BEYOND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE 33RD. SO YES. YES. RIGHT. 
          IDEALLY THE AMENDMENTS WE'RE TARGETING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ANY AMENDMENTS ARE DONE SO THAT THE COURT, IN REVIEWING OUR PLAN, WOULD HAVE THE PLAN THAT WE WANT APPROVED. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE PUTTING ON OURSELVES THAT'S NOT SET FORTH IN THE LAW. IF. I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST QUESTION, I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST QUESTION. I'M SORRY, BARBARA PRESTON. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THIS WILL BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE COURT ENDORSES OR ACCEPTS IT. ON DECEMBER 31ST. NO. SO THE IT'S EITHER THE IN THE LAW OR IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRES THE TOWN TO COMMIT TO AMEND ITS PLAN BASED ON ANY MEDIATION THAT THEY GO IN, I ASSUME THERE WILL BE MEDIATION. SO THE TOWN REALLY DOES HAVE TO COMMIT BY DECEMBER 31ST. MEDIATION WITH WHO? SOME UNKNOWN OBJECTOR. THERE COULD BE AN OBJECTOR OR CHALLENGER. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN OBJECTOR. THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART. I SEE WE DON'T WANT AN OBJECTOR BUT BUT BUT YOU GOT ONE. IF THERE IS MEDIATION WITH AN OBJECTOR THE COURT WILL WANT TO HAVE THE TOWN COMMIT BY DECEMBER 30TH BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST. SO, BARBARA, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN OBJECTOR. THE COURT DIRECTIVE ONLY NOTES WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS AN OBJECTOR. SO WHAT MARYBETH IS REFERRING TO IS WHAT THE COURT DIRECTIVE THAT SETS FORTH HOW THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM SHOULD WORK. IT DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE NONOBJECTIVE MEDIATION. IT CONTEMPLATES IF THERE'S AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST MEDIATE, AND THEN A DECISION WILL BE RENDERED BY THE COURT. CAN YOU USE YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE? SO IS THERE A DECISION? IS THERE A DATE FOR WHEN THE DECISION WOULD BE RENDERED BY THE COURT? SO THE COURT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE A DECISION BY, ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST. KEEP IN MIND, THE COURT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO GIVE A DECISION ON WHAT EVERY TOWN'S NUMBER WAS BY MARCH 31ST. PERSONALLY, I REPRESENTED A TOWN THAT GOT THE NUMBER ON MAY 9TH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD THE DATE STRAIGHT. I'M SORRY FOR INTERJECTING HERE. I CORRECT IN 
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THAT PRINCETON CAN BUILD A. SOMETHING WITH 100% AFFORDABLE UNITS, SUCH AS JUST WHAT OPENED ON MOUNTAIN ROAD. THIS APARTMENT BUILDING OF 40 SOME UNITS, ALL AFFORDABLE, ALL AFFORDABLE. HOW COME THE COMPANY CAN'T DO 100% AFFORDABLE? WE ARE. YEAH. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS. AND THE ONE PROJECT THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW IS THE RPM SENIOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE, 70 UNITS. IT'S 100%. YES. FOR ROUND THREE. SO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN ONE OF THE SLIDES IS THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH TO DO THAT TYPE OF PROJECT. AND SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMITMENT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE TO THE DEVELOPER. SO THE LAND DONATION THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION. AND THERE ARE SOME INDIRECT COSTS TOO. BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT WITHIN ACCESS OF RECURRING PUBLIC TRANSIT, WE WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE THAT WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THAT. THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS TALKING ABOUT THE OLD MUNICIPAL BUILDING SITE, AND WE WOULD NEED TO LIKELY MOVE THE SALT STORAGE. RIGHT. AND IN PRINCIPLE, PRINCETON'S CASE, THERE'S CRITERIA YOU HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO GET FUNDED FOR THOSE. 
          RIGHT. WE DON'T MEET THAT CRITERIA. LAURIE'S TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT PROXIMITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS THAT FACTORS INTO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET AWARDED THESE TAX CREDITS. IT'S NOT EVERYBODY GETS THEM. YOU HAVE TO COMPETE FOR THEM. RIGHT. SO THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS IN PRINCETON. EVERYTHING QUALIFIES PRETTY MUCH. THERE'S EXCEPT IF YOU'RE UP IN THE IN THE HILLS OF PRINCETON. BUT EVERYTHING AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AND NASSAU STREET DOES WOULD GET THOSE POINTS IN TERMS OF THE RANKING FOR GETTING A TAX CREDIT AWARD, THEY HAD MANY DEVELOPERS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. THEY ALSO HAD SEVERAL SITES THAT THEY HAD THAT THEY COULD DISPOSE OF OR ADD TO. SO THEY HAD A LOT MORE LAND TO LOOK AT WHERE THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE FOR. AND SOME OF THESE WERE SMALLER, SO THEY WERE SMALLER PROJECTS, BUT THEY HAD WILLING PARTNERS IN IT. AND I THINK MICHAEL MADE A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH THAT THE FUNDING THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD GIVE, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT $3 MILLION OR MORE, THAT'S $3 MILLION, IS FOR THE RPM SITE THAT WAS THAT'S ONLY WORKS IF THE DEVELOPER GETS THESE 9% LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS, WHICH ARE VERY COMPETITIVE. AND I THINK, DID YOU JUST SAY NINE? HOW MANY WERE AWARDED IN THE LAST ROUND? DO YOU KNOW ABOUT TEN FAILING. 
          YEAH. SO THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. SO IT'S WHEN WE SAY COMPETITIVE TO GET THAT. AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT FINANCING THEN THAT JUST MEANS THEY'RE NEED MORE MONEY FROM THE TOWNSHIP. AND I THINK THEIR APPLICATION SAID THAT THAT VALUE OF THAT PROJECT WAS 21 MILLION. SO THEY PIECED TOGETHER, THEY PIECED TOGETHER DIFFERENT POOLS OF FUNDING. BUT THAT 9% TAX CREDIT, THAT'S VERY COMPETITIVE. YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY IF YOU IF WE WORKED WITH A DEVELOPER AND WE SAID LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GO IN ON BUILDING THIS 100% AFFORDABLE, IT'S NOT GUARANTEED THAT THEY'LL GET THAT MONEY. IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE. SO AND IT COULD BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE IF THEY DON'T GET FUNDING AND THEY'RE STILL IN THE PLAN. AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER SITE FOR THEM. OR YOU MIGHT HAVE TO JUST KEEP BANKROLLING IT. AND WHEN I JUST WANT TO MENTION THIS AGAIN, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHEN THE, THE PROFESSIONALS ARE SAYING WE THE TOWNSHIP HAS TO PAY. IT BASICALLY IS US TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY. SO THE TOWNSHIP, WHEN THEY START USING THE WORD THE TOWNSHIP PAYS MEANS WE ALL, EVERYBODY IN MONTGOMERY, THE TAXPAYERS WHO KEEP TELLING US OUR TAXES ARE TOO HIGH, ALL OF US, ALL OF US TAXPAYERS PAY. IT'S NOT THE TOWNSHIP WHICH SAYS THE TOWNSHIP PAYS, BUT WE PAY. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. SAVE ME FOR LAST. I KNOW I SAW YOU WALKING AROUND. NEVER MIND. 
          I'M JOKING, I'M JOKING. THE PRESENTATION. IS THIS ONLINE ALREADY OR WHEN? NO. NOT YET, NOT YET. POSTING IT. HOPEFULLY TOMORROW THAT WILL BE THE PLAN TO SEND OUT A BROADCAST EMAIL WITH THAT TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO WE HAVE THE E-BULLETIN. IT'S A WEEKLY EMAIL NEWSLETTER THAT COMES SO YOU CAN SIGN UP THROUGH THE WEBSITE SIGNED UP. I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO I THINK I THINK WE'RE KIND OF TILL THE NEXT E-BULLETIN. NO, NO, NO. IF YOU GO TO THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, OKAY, GO UP TOWARDS THE TOP OR JUST SEARCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE'S 
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UNDER THE HUMAN SERVICES TAB, THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT'LL SEND OUT I'M SORRY, I JUST I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP MORE TIME. YOU CAN'T JUST SEND THIS OUT LIKE TOMORROW AND SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, HERE IT IS. WE KNOW THIS IS A HOT TOPIC AND NOT WAIT TILL WEEKLY, OR HAVE US GO HOME AND REMIND EVERYBODY WHERE TO FIND IT ONLINE. I'M TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, HOW TO MAKE THIS EASY TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT. THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S MY PURPOSE OF MY QUESTION. HOW DO YOU GET THIS? I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE THROUGH THE E-BULLETIN ON THURSDAY. I MEAN, WHERE WE COULD PUT THE LINK E-BULLETIN ON. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THAT'S THE GENERAL MAILING MAILING DISTRIBUTION LIST IS THAT CAN WE TAKE A LOOK TO SEE TO DO IT EARLIER, THE WEBSITE. CAN WE GET IT ON THE WEBSITE? I THINK SHE WAS SAYING, HOW DO WE LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING ON THE WEBSITE TO ANNOUNCE THAT IT'S THERE? WE WILL MAYBE ASK OUR MAIL OUT. THAT'S WHAT I'M QUESTIONING. SO WHO'S EMAIL DO WE HAVE? IS THE EMAILS THAT GO OUT WOULD ONLY GO TO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY REGISTERED TO RECEIVE THE E-BULLETIN. I'M SORRY I'M SCREAMING, BUT I KNOW I'M NOT BY THE MIC AND I'VE BEEN TELLING EVERYONE TO USE THE MIC. HERE WE GO. SO THAT EMAIL LIST IS THE SAME LIST THAT WOULD BE GETTING THE E-BULLETIN. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE NOTIFICATION FROM THE TOWNSHIP. SO IF THERE'S A LINK STRAIGHT ON THE E-BULLETIN, IT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME GOAL. I'M TALKING ABOUT. TIMING. IS THIS INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO GET IN THE HANDS TO THE COMMUNITY FASTER OR I, I HEARD I, I WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATOR, LORI ON FOR A SECOND. COULD WE GET A LINK ONTO SOCIAL MEDIA TOMORROW ONCE YOU HAVE IT TOGETHER? I KNOW IT'S A VERY SHORT DEADLINE. WE CAN I MEAN, WHEN I'M AT WORK AND WE HAVE A NEW THING, WE JUST SEND AN EMAIL OUT. IT'S NOT LIKE ROCKET SCIENTISTS. I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND, BUT IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENTISTS TO DISTRIBUTE THIS WITHIN 24 HOURS TO THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WE OUR THE PERSON WHO DOES THAT IS ON VACATION THIS WEEK. SO WE HAVE BACKUP. WE HAVE BACKUP. WHO'S THE BACKUP? WE HAVE BACKUP. WE HAVE BACKUP. AND BUT THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO COMMIT 100% UNTIL I TALKED TO THE BACKUP PERSON. SO YEAH, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I JUST, I THERE'S JUST TRANSPARENCY. YEAH. LORI. THAT IS. OKAY. GO AHEAD. WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR NEXT DECK READY, CAN YOU SOMEHOW BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO FOLLOW THIS COUPLE PEOPLE CAME IN LATE. CAN YOU HAVE PRINTOUTS OR SOMETHING? BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A PLAN. NOW WE WANT TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND. THIS WAS NICE FOR A FIRST VISUAL, BUT IT'S HARD TO SEE. AND WE'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. LIKE I ASKED YOU TO GO BACK TO A SLIDE ON MY TOPIC AND WE HAD TO GO THROUGH, THERE WAS NO SLIDE NUMBERS I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT. I TOOK PICTURES ON MY PHONE. IF I COULD HAVE SAID SLIDE FIVE, GO BACK TO THAT. SO IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS REALLY EASY BECAUSE YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT, THIS CAN BE A REALLY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO GO THROUGH. ALL THESE DETAILED LITTLE QUESTIONS. YOU'VE GOT HOW MANY EXAMPLES UP THERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS EASIER ON YOURSELVES AND ON US. WE ARE ENCOURAGING IF YOU REVIEW IT AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO SEND IT OUT BEFOREHAND. YOU OKAY? LORI I'M JUST GOING TO YEAH. BEFORE YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION, I'M GOING TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATOR SOMETHING THAT'S COMING FROM THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. ARE WE ABLE TO SEND JUST AN E-BULLETIN JUST ON THIS SLIDE AND THE AND THE PRESENTATION TODAY? AND WOULD THAT NOT BE ON A THURSDAY? AND HOW FAST CAN WE GET THAT OUT. THAT'S WHAT TOMORROW. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON OKAY. PERFECT. 99% SURE IT WILL. IT CAN HAPPEN I JUST I TRUST YOU I THINK I HAVE CONFIDENCE I YOU GET WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. THERE'S A DIFFERENT SLIDE PRESENTATION. 
          RIGHT. OH HOPEFULLY WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND WE CAN START WHITTLING IT DOWN TO WHERE THERE'LL BE LESS SLIDES INTO OUR HANDS EARLY OR HAVE PRINT OUTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT EACH SLIDE AND FINE TUNING IT LIKE, WHAT'S THIS, WHAT'S THAT, WHAT'S THIS? SO PLEASE YEAH, WE WILL WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK ON HAVING THE HANDOUTS AVAILABLE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE MIGHT WANT TO PRINT OUT WE. THAT IS A NICE SUGGESTION AND WE'LL WORK ON IT. I CAN'T MAKE PROMISES BECAUSE I'M NOT THE ONE DOING IT, BUT I AGREE THAT THAT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT HAVING THE HANDOUTS READY AHEAD OF TIME. SOME OF IT WILL, QUITE FRANKLY, BE A HOW MUCH IN ADVANCE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING ON THIS UNTIL ABOUT 630, YOU KNOW, SO THINGS ARE EVER CHANGING. ABSOLUTELY. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN HAVE AT LEAST SOMETHING ON HANDOUTS, WE WILL DEFINITELY STRIVE TO DO SO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS CAME FROM COMMITTEE. WOMAN. TODD AND OF COURSE OUR TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE ASKING, LET'S HAVE THAT OUT THERE. AND I KNOW THE STAFF HAS TO PROVIDE IT, BUT I 
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JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT CONVERSATION AND THAT ASK IS ALSO BEING HEARD BY US OVER THERE. SO THANK YOU. THANKS. HE, THERE. YEAH. OH, SORRY. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THOSE 30 UNITS THAT WE NEED TO SATISFY. YOU SAID THAT THE TAXPAYERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          WOULD YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST PER HOUSEHOLD AND HOW MUCH, HOW MANY YEARS WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT FOR THE 100% AFFORDABLE? IS THAT THE 100% AFFORDABLE? IS THAT PLANNED? 100%? IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION THAT THE BUILDER WOULD NEED. THE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED FROM FROM THE TOWNSHIP. BUT THE TAX IMPACT, WE CAN WE CAN TRY AND COME UP WITH SOME NUMBER BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THE LEVEL WOULD BE THE 3 MILLION THAT RPM DID. WE DON'T KNOW THE LEVEL THAT THE HOUSING TRUST MAY HAVE TO OFFSET THAT COST, BECAUSE THERE'S A DEDICATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND THAT WE HAVE THAT GETS RECAPTURED AND REGENERATED THROUGH DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          BUT WE CAN WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. THE OTHER THING IS, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUT. THE TOWNSHIP WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT TO BOND. THE BONDS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO VARIABLE INTEREST RATES, DEPENDING WHAT TIME FRAME AND LIFE WE'RE AT. YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO FINANCING WAS A LOT CHEAPER THAN IT IS TODAY. SO ALL OF THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY DEPENDING ON WHAT POINT THE DEVELOPER SAYS. WE'VE APPLIED X NUMBER OF ROUNDS OF FUNDING. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT. THIS IS HOW MUCH MORE WE NEED. IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT CALCULATION. I KNOW WE'RE ALMOST DONE. I JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK DARA. IF WE COULD GIVE HER A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. SHE SHE HAS BEEN DOING NOTHING BUT MOVING AROUND FOR THE LAST 2.5 HOURS. I CAN TELL YOU SHE'S GOT ALL HER STEPS DONE TONIGHT. CALCULATING ON YOURSELVES. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. IS IT THE SAME DEVELOPER? ONCE EVERYTHING IS FINALIZED, THAT WOULD BE BUILDING THESE UNITS? AND IS THERE LIKE A BIDDING PROCESS? AND ALSO I, I RECALL UNDER THE OLD BEFORE THE AMENDMENT OF THE MOUNT LAUREL LAW, IT WAS ALWAYS AN 80 OVER 20 TYPE OF SITUATION. 
          SO AND ALSO WHAT CAN YOU DUMMY DOWN THE 260 CREDITS OR UNITS OR 230, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WAS, AND EQUATE IT TO EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS THAT EQUATES TO. AND IF IT IS STILL AN 8020 SITUATION, WHAT'S WHAT'S ALL THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED IS WHERE THESE THINGS WILL BE BUILT, WHERE THE UNITS WILL BE BUILT, AND WHO OWNS J AND J, THAT STRUCTURE THAT CAN VIEW WHO OWNS IT. DOES J AND J STILL OWN THAT? OKAY, WE OWN IT NOW. NO NO, NO, WE DON'T OWN ANYTHING. NO. SO MAYBE I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO JOHNSON AND JOHNSON A FEW YEARS AGO DECIDED TO SPIN OUT THE COMPANY THAT HOUSED THAT WAS HEADQUARTERED THERE. THAT COMPANY IS CALLED KENDU. RIGHT. 
          CAN YOU HAS J&J THOUGH. YEAH. REBRANDED. YEAH. IT'S A DIFFERENT IT'S A DIFFERENT IT'S OWN COMPANY. THEY HAVE DECIDED TO MOVE TO SUMMIT. THEY ANNOUNCED THAT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. YEAH THEY MOVED TO SUMMIT. YEAH. RIGHT. SO THE BUILDING ITSELF IS THE WHOLE CAMPUS. 
          YEAH. IS WHAT IS OWNED BY A DEVELOPER STILL OWNED BY KEN VIEW. BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL, WHAT IF THEY DECIDE TO, LIKE, GET SOMEONE ELSE IN THERE AND REUSE IT FOR ANOTHER BRANCH OF WHATEVER? LIKE WHAT WAS THEIR REASON FOR MOVING OUT? WAS IT TOO MUCH TAXES? WHAT WAS KENNEDY'S MAYBE. CAN I TAKE. SO KEN VIEW HAS FOR WHATEVER REASON, NOT REALLY RELEVANT AT THIS POINT, HAS DECIDED TO RELOCATE TO SUMMIT. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT RIGHT NOW, KEN VIEW STILL OWNS THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, THERE IS A DEVELOPER WHO IS LIKELY THE CONTRACT PURCHASER OR HAS SOME KIND OF OPTION TO BUY THE PROPERTY. THAT'S THE DEVELOPER THAT HAD MADE PROPOSALS TO THE TOWNSHIP, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ITERATIONS. THAT AT LAST SIGHT WAS THE 417 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THE OTHER DONATIONS OF PROPERTY COULD PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FROM KEN VIEW IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL IT TO THE DEVELOPER. HOWEVER, IT HAS TO BE THE PROPOSAL HAS TO BE PASSED BY MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO ZONING IS NOT IN PLACE. THE IDEA THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL IS IN OUR HOUSING PLAN AS OF TODAY, BUT NO ZONING HAS BEEN CHANGED CONSISTENT WITH THAT TO ALLOW THAT AS OF RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, THEY CANNOT BUILD THAT AS OF RIGHT WITHOUT A VARIANCE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD. BUT AS AS OF RIGHT, THEY CAN BUILD THE COMMERCIAL PART OF IT. RIGHT. THAT I THINK RIGHT THERE, 
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THERE'S THE NORTHERN PROPERTY. THE NORTHERN PROPERTY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS CAN HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THEN THE CAMPUS WHERE IT IS HAS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LIGHT MANUFACTURING USE. SO THEY COULD BUILD OTHER WAREHOUSING TYPE NOT I'M NOT SAYING SELF-STORAGE. THEY COULD DO OTHER TYPES OF BUILDING THERE. COMMERCIAL. YEAH. SO MANUFACTURING. RIGHT. I THINK LORI COULD SPEAK MORE TO THE CURRENT ZONING. BUT THE THEY STILL CAN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE CONTRACT FOR SALE. WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO THAT CONTRACT, NOR DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, NOR DO WE WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT THAT IS BETWEEN THEM AND THEIR PURCHASERS. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO STILL HAS CONTROL. RIGHT. SO I BELIEVE THAT'S STILL UNDER KENVIL PRAY FOR ANYWAY. BUT THE OTHER THING, WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MATTAWAN THEIR GOLF COURSE? DID THEY SELL IT OR SOMETHING? LIKE HOW IS THAT? YES, I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE THAT FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME NEWS. WELL, BARBARA MAY APPRECIATE IT, BUT WE MATAWAN WAS UNDER OUR PRESERVED OPEN SPACE LAND AND WE HAD ASKED THE COUNTY WE HAD A LETTER OUT LAST WEEK TO THEM ASKING ON OUR TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE'S BEHALF TO WORK WITH US ON MATABANG, AND WE DID HEAR FROM THE COUNTY TODAY. IN FACT, I HEARD FROM THEM WHEN I WAS LEAVING HOME, AND THEY DO WANT TO WORK WITH US ON MATAWAN. SO THAT'S LIKE A GOOD NEWS FOR, I THINK, FOR ALL OF US IN THE TOWNSHIP, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO NOT WANT. THE THOUSAND UNITS OVER THERE. YEAH. NO, I LIVE NEAR MAN. OH I'M SORRY. WE'RE WE'RE UNDER EFFORT, HOPEFULLY WITH THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY TO PRESERVE IT AS A GOLF COURSE. YEAH. AND THAT I DID HEAR FROM THEM TODAY. SO THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE COUNTY ASKING THEM TO WORK WITH US FOR MATAWAN BECAUSE IT'S UNDER OUR OPEN SPACE PRESERVE LAND. AND THEY DID CALL ME TODAY TO SAY THAT, YES, THEY WANT TO WORK WITH US ON THAT. SO THAT'S MAYBE MY MICROPHONE IS, BUT BUT I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE MATAWAN DOES NOT HAVE IS NOT IN THE SEWER SERVICE AREA. 
          SO THAT'S FOREMOST, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM OTHER TRAFFIC WHATNOT, JUST LIKE OTHER SITES, THIS ONE HAPPENED TO NOT BE IN THE SEWER SERVICE AREA. SO THAT DENSITY WAS NOT REALISTIC FOR THE PLAN. YEAH, BUT I HAVE SOMETHING IN JUST SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD SOMETHING. BUT WE HAD TO HAVE THINGS THAT WERE REALISTIC. SO THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS AS WELL FOR THE SITES THAT WENT INTO THE PLAN IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM DEFENSIBLE AND A REALISTIC OPPORTUNITY, ONE OF THOSE BEING THE AVAILABILITY OF WATER AND SEWER. MATAWAN DOES NOT HAVE THAT. YEAH, BUT AND JUST TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE RENTAL, THE PIKE RUN DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S PURCHASES, THAT'S HOMES, THAT'S TOWNHOMES. IT'S NOT JUST RENTALS. NO. IT'S THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ONLY THE RENTAL PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WE ARE DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYONE FOR STAYING WITH US. I REALLY WANT TO THANK OUR PLANNING BOARD. I SEE OUR CHAIR IS ALMOST OUT OF HIS CHAIR, BUT BUT AND THE TOWNSHIP TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE AND ESPECIALLY OUR PROFESSIONALS AND STAFF, I I'M NOT KIDDING YOU. IT'S BEEN DAYS AND DAYS OF PEOPLE SITTING AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO. AND HONESTLY, EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, I CAN STAY EXTRA, I CAN WORK EXTRA HOURS. LET'S FIND A SOLUTION. SO I JUST WANT TO LET THE TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD STAFF, YOU HAVE A GOOD TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE, GOOD PLANNING BOARD, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. AND REALLY WE LISTEN AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU BRING TO THE TOWN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.