[I. ROLL CALL]
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          HEY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. HELLO. HELLO. HELLO. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD. 
          MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY. 
          THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING ON JUNE 26TH, 2025,
AND IT IS 5:00. 
          AND IT IS OUR INTENTION, INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING NO LATER THAN 7:00. 
          AND UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT,
NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS AND. SHERRY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          CHAMPIONS. HERE. MONEY BATTLE HERE. BLODGETT. 
          HERE. HAMILTON. HERE. MATTHEWS. ROBERTS. SING HERE. 
          TAYLOR. TODD. HERE. LOCKLEAR, HERE. CON HERE. 
          CASEY. HERE. AND RODRIGUEZ. HERE. THANK YOU. THANK. 
          SHERRY. OKAY. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 
          AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD,
INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          [IV. MASTER PLAN PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION ]
OKAY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR MASTER PLAN,
PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION OF A POTENTIAL ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION FOR THE 2025 FOURTH ROUND HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN DATED JUNE 13TH,
2025. 
          AND IF ANYBODY WOULD INDULGE ME FOR A FEW MINUTES,
I'M GOING TO START WITH A STATEMENT. 
          EVERYBODY HEAR ME. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH A QUICK RECAP OF TUESDAY
NIGHT, AND I WANT TO ONCE AGAIN REMIND EVERYBODY THAT,
FIRST OF ALL, WE UP HERE ARE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN, AND WE'RE VOLUNTEERS. AND WE DO THIS BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT THE TOWN. 
          AND WE HAVE ALL, I BELIEVE, LIVED IN THE TOWN FOR MANY,
MANY YEARS. 
          IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT WE ARE MANDATED TO DO FROM A FEW
SOURCES. 
          AND THOSE SOURCES ARE OUR TOWN'S MASTER PLAN,
STATE MANDATES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND LIVE WITH AT TIMES. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THEM. AND THEN OUR OWN JUDGMENT AS RESIDENTS. 
          NOW, IT IS INCORRECT TO IMPLY THAT SINCE WE ARE APPOINTEES OF THE CURRENT TOWNSHIP
COMMITTEE, THAT WE ARE THEIR RUBBER STAMPS OR WE REPRESENT THEM. 
          IN FACT, MOST OF US HAVE DONE THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS,
AND WE WERE APPOINTED BY VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. 
          NOW I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT MYSELF FOR A MINUTE,
SO PLEASE INDULGE ME. 
          I WAS APPOINTED TO THE ZONING BOARD BY A REPUBLICAN TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE,
REAPPOINTED BY A REPUBLICAN TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. 
          I WAS REAPPOINTED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE CURRENT PARTY IN POWER,
INCLUDING OUR FORMER MAYOR. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S IN THE AUDIENCE YET. SO AGAIN,
FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, I DO MY BEST AS EVERYBODY UP HERE DOES THEIR BEST TO TRULY REPRESENT THE TOWN THAT WE ALL LIVE IN. 
          SO. TO SAY THAT WE DO THINGS IN THE DARK. AND BY THE WAY,
I READ SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THESE THINGS COME FROM. 
          TO SAY THAT WE DO THINGS IN THE DARK, IT'S SOMEWHAT TRUE. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. IT'S BECAUSE FOR MOST OF OUR MEETINGS,
UNLESS IT'S AN ISSUE IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD, NOBODY COMES OUT. SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY COME OUT AND
COMMENT ON ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FACE AS A PLANNING BOARD. NOW FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          WE HAVE SET ASIDE UP TO TWO HOURS. IF I FEEL LIKE WE NEED MORE TIME,
THEN I'M WILLING TO STAY UNTIL WE GET EVERYBODY HEARD. 
          OKAY. I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE, BUT I'M WILLING TO STAY UNTIL WE GET EVERYBODY HEARD. 
          HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR US TO BE EFFICIENT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM THROUGHOUT
THE EVENING, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR TWO THINGS. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE 2 TO 3 QUESTIONS THAT DID NOT GET ASKED ON TUESDAY NIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FOR COMMENTS. 
          I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES A PERSON. 
          NOW, I KNOW WHEN I SAID THAT TUESDAY NIGHT, SOMEONE GOT VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE IF YOU'VE EVER TIMED THREE MINUTES LOOKING AT A CLOCK,
IT'S A PRETTY DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME. 
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BUT I'M GOING TO ASSURE YOU AGAIN THAT ANYTHING CRITICAL YOU HAVE TO SAY WILL BE HEARD. 
          SECOND, IF YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE. 
          PLEASE JUST SAY YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SOME FOLKS DID THAT FOR QUESTIONS ON TUESDAY AND IT WAS GREATLY
APPRECIATED. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, I KNOW IT WAS SAID A NUMBER OF TIMES ON TUESDAY NIGHT,
BUT THIS HEARING AND SUBSEQUENT VOTE IS FOR WHETHER OR NOT WE ADVANCE THE TOWNSHIP'S FOURTH ROUND PLAN OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS MANDATED BY THE STATE. 
          IT IS NOT TO APPROVE ANY INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S A PROCESS THAT ANY BUILDER THAT WANTS TO BUILD IN THIS TOWN HAS TO GO THROUGH TO
GET APPROVAL. 
          THAT TAKES A WHILE AND IT'S DONE IN PUBLIC AT THESE MEETINGS. 
          SO AGAIN I WELCOME. AND I REALLY PREFER THAT WE HEAR FROM OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS AT ALL OF
OUR MEETINGS, NOT JUST THE ONES THAT AFFECT INDIVIDUALS FOR WHERE THEY LIVE. 
          EXACTLY. IN THE TOWN. OKAY. LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR FIRST QUESTION FROM TUESDAY NIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE LIST OR IS THAT YOU? YES, YES. IF RAHM IS HERE, YOU WERE OUT OF THE ROOM WHEN WE CALLED YOUR NAME. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE TO STEP UP TO THE PODIUM. AND AGAIN,
WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR FULL NAME. 
          IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE GIVING US YOUR ADDRESS,
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN KAREN WILL SWEAR YOU IN. 
          OKAY. RAHM. SKILLMAN. AND, SIR, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE GIVING US YOUR ADDRESS? YEAH. 16 BRANDYWINE. ALRIGHTY. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS
EVENING? WE'LL BE TRUTHFUL. YEAH. ANY TESTIMONY I GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS. I MEAN, THE PLANNERS ARE NOT HERE. 
          YES WE DO. YES. ISABEL IS HERE. OKAY. BUT INSTEAD OF THEIR BACKS TO YOU TONIGHT,
THEY'RE FACING YOU. 
          OKAY. HOW'S THAT? SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION FROM JANUARY 16TH,
AND THERE WAS A LAND USE FACTOR OF 1.9% USED, AND THAT WAS BASED ON A 202 ACRES AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          I WANT TO KNOW, LIKE, WHERE IS THIS? ACRES IN MONTGOMERY. 
          SO I WAS NOT PRESENT FOR THE PRESENTATION BACK IN JANUARY,
BUT I CAN CONFIRM THAT WITH MICHAEL SULLIVAN, WHO WAS. AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IN THAT 202 ACRES WITH
ANYBODY FROM PLANNING BOARD KNOWS WHERE THOSE ARE? BECAUSE THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT 202 IS A FACTOR ON CALCULATING HOW MANY AFFORDABLE
HOUSING UNITS WE ARE OBLIGATED. 
          AND IF THAT IS AVAILABLE IN MONTGOMERY, THEN WE SHOULD BE DEVELOPING THERE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF CAN VIEW IS PART OF THAT 202 OR NOT. 
          OKAY. NOW, THIS IS A FAIR QUESTION. AND AFTER WE GET THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS IN BOARD
DISCUSSIONS, WE CERTAINLY WILL BRING THAT OUT. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYBODY HAS THE PLAN. THERE IS PAGE 76 ON THE PLAN, WHICH HAS THE SITE OF CAN BE SHOWN. 
          AND IN THAT SITE THERE ARE BLUE AND GREEN MAPS LEGEND WHICH,
WHICH ARE WETLANDS. 
          SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, ACCORDING TO THE MAPPING IN THE CANVAS SITES,
THESE ARE LIKE SHRUB WETLANDS AND AGRICULTURAL WETLANDS. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS CONSIDERED IN PERMITTING THOSE WETLANDS
FROM NEW JERSEY DEP IF THEY TAKE JURISDICTION OVER THOSE. YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. SO YOUR QUESTION IS, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? SO THERE ARE WETLANDS SHOWN IN YOUR MAP? YEAH. 
          AND I WANT TO KNOW IF NADP MAPS ALSO SHOW THE WETLANDS. 
          IF THEY TAKE JURISDICTION OVER THOSE THOSE NEEDS TO BE PERMITTED. 
          MOST LIKELY WILL HAVE BUFFERS. AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED AND WHAT WOULD BE
THE THE PLAN TO GET THAT PERMITTED TO DEVELOP THAT WETLANDS. 
          YEAH. SO THESE WETLANDS ARE SHOWN BY DEP AND THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          BUT WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS ACTUALLY BEFORE THE BOARD,
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO AN LOI AND CONFIRM THE WETLANDS. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER STEP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DELINEATE THE WETLANDS CORRECTLY. 
          SO I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP IN. I ALSO DO THE I'M THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY,
BUT I'M ALSO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ATTORNEY AND I APOLOGIZE, I WASN'T HERE MONDAY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TOWNS AND ONLY SO MANY NIGHTS. 
          SO I WAS ACTUALLY IN ANOTHER TOWN ON THAT NIGHT. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, AS THE CHAIR HAD INDICATED EARLIER,
THIS IS A IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT. 
          SO THIS IS SAYING WHERE HOUSING MAY GO IN THE MASTER PLAN,
YOU KNOW, LIVING DOCUMENT, THIS PORTION OF IT WHEN AS THE PLANNER 
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WAS SAYING, THE APPLICANT WILL COME IN ONCE YOU KNOW,
FIRST ZONING HAS TO BE CHANGED TO ALLOW IT CONSISTENT WITH THIS PLAN. 
          IF IT'S ADOPTED, THEN AN APPLICANT WOULD COME IN SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER PLACE. 
          WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN, THEY'D HAVE TO GET AN UPDATED LOI,
WHICH IS A LETTER OF INTERPRETATION FROM THE STATE. 
          AND IF THEY WERE IMPACTING WETLANDS, IT ABSOLUTELY WILL REQUIRE DEP PERMIT. 
          SO IT'S NOT AN INSTANT THAT THEY CAN GO INTO THOSE WETLANDS. 
          NOR ARE WE SAYING BY HAVING THAT SITE ON THE PLAN THAT THE WHAT THE WETLANDS ARE GOING TO
BE ALLOWED TO BE IMPACTED. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. SO I GET NOTIFICATION ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES IN THE TOWN. 
          ON MAY 29TH, THERE WAS A ISSUE TEMPORARILY BLOCKED 601 COUNTY ROAD 601 BECAUSE THEIR TRAIN
STOPPED ON THE RAIL CROSSING. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THE PLANNERS ARE AWARE OF THIS ISSUE. 
          I WAS NOT. OKAY. BASED ON MY MY RESEARCH. CSX HAS A NEW OPERATING PROCEDURES WHICH ALLOWS THEM. THE TRAINS CAN BE AS LONG AS 2 TO 3 MILES,
AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE AS LESS AS ONE PERSON OPERATING THE TRAIN. 
          SO IF THERE IS AN ISSUE FOR SOMEBODY TO GET DOWN AND WALK,
ENTIRE TRAIN MIGHT TAKE HOURS. 
          AND IF THE TRAIN GETS STOPPED ON THE CSX, IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BLOCK THE CROSSING FOR A
LONG TIME. 
          THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION HOW THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE WOULD GET TO THIS
NEW DEVELOPMENT IF THE TRAINS GET BLOCKED FOR HOURS? SO THAT WOULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP AT THE PLANNING BOARD LEVEL WHEN
AN APPLICATION COMES IN. 
          GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOR A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION LIKE THIS THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE
SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE AT THE TIME THAT THE ACTUAL PLAN IS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          OKAY. AND SO JUST I'M TRYING TO HOLD EVERYBODY TO,
YOU KNOW, SOME EQUAL TIME. 
          SO MY LAST QUESTION SO BASED ON LIKE NEW JERSEY DEP MAP WETLAND,
THE CSX ISSUE CURRENTLY NOT ZONED THE THE SITE COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE CURRENT ZONING PER PER THE I MEAN CURRENT OWNER. 
          THEY CAN IF THEY CHOOSE TO. WITH ALL THIS KNOWING I KNOW I HEARD A LOT OF LIKE BUILDERS
SUING US, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE LEGALLY OR WE OKAY THE STATE NOT ACCEPTING OUR PLAN BECAUSE
THESE ARE POTENTIALLY UNDEVELOPED ITEMS. AND STATE COULD SAY, HEY, THIS IS A NEW JERSEY DEP WETLAND,
CSX EMERGENCY. 
          I MEAN, THERE WAS ISSUE WITH CSX. YOUR PLAN IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          CAN THE STATE SUE US OR SAY THAT WE ARE NOT COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CONSIDER ALL THESE
FACTORS? SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THIS. AGAIN, IT'S A PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT'S INDICATING WHERE THE
TOWNSHIP IS, IS SAYING THAT HOUSING CAN BE DEVELOPED. AND THE REASON THAT HOUSING CAN BE DEVELOPED HERE
THAT THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE SITES CHOSEN AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS OFFERED. SO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS ANYBODY THAT SUBMITTED THEIR SITES THAT
HAVE SITE CONTROL FOR AN OFFERING AND THEN WEIGH IN WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GO. THE REASON THIS IS GOING IN IS BECAUSE WE THINK THAT IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AND THERE
COULD BE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF IT. 
          ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING WILL IMPACT WHAT ACTUALLY COMES DOWN THE LINE. 
          NOW, THIS IS A LIVING, BREATHING MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT. 
          IF IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, IT WOULD BE AMENDED. 
          SO WE COULD GO BACK TO THE STATE AND SAY THIS IS NOT. 
          OR IF THE STATE SAYS THIS IS NOT SUITABLE, THEN WE CAN WE CAN CHANGE IT TO A SUITABLE
LOCATION. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT A CSX LINE IS NOT PART OF THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR SITE SUITABILITY. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY PLAN IN CASE THEY GET STUCK. 
          SO I PROBABLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GET FROWNED ON FROM PEOPLE FROM THE STATE FOR
SAYING THIS, RIGHT? YOU'RE BEING RATIONAL. SOMETIMES AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RATIONAL QUESTIONS DON'T
COME INTO PLAY UNTIL IT'S ACTUALLY TIME TO START DEVELOPING, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE SUPPLEMENTED,
AMENDED IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY FOR THE SITE SUITABILITY ANALYSIS. 
          THIS SITE, AS IS, FACTORS INTO IT. IT'S AVAILABLE,
IT'S BEEN OFFERED. 
          THERE'S NO DEED ISSUES FROM THE PERSON WHO'S OFFERING IT TO. 
          THERE IS A FOUR PRONG TEST THAT IS IN THE IN THE HOUSING MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT. 
          IT MEETS IT CHECKS OFF. EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          RIGHT. SO THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS ARE CONSIDERED LIVING DOCUMENTS. 
          OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          WHO'S NEXT? LAURA. THANK YOU. SARAH. JOHNNY. SORRY. 
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SIR, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN? AND IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE,
GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. THANKS, SELVARAJ. I LIVE ACROSS THE ROAD 100 AUTUMN LANE. 
          ALL RIGHTY. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING WILL BE
TRUTHFUL. 
          YES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING GENTLEMEN. HELLO. 
          GOOD EVENING RESIDENTS. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE MANDATES BY THE STATE DOESN'T COME
OVERNIGHT. 
          RIGHT. WE HAVE THE ELECTED LEADERS AND THE APPOINTED LEADERS WHO HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF
DEVELOPING WONDERFUL PROJECTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE WE IN A RUSH TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S BASICALLY CONVERTING A
COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, A COMMERCIAL AREA, INTO A RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX,
WHETHER IT'S RENTAL OR FOR LEASE? INSTEAD OF EXPLORING OPTIONS TO LEVERAGE ANY OTHER LANDS THAT'S AVAILABLE TO MAKE THAT AS
A RESIDENTIAL, AS OPPOSED TO CONVERTING A LONG TERM OPPORTUNITY THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR US TO EITHER GIVE
JOB OPPORTUNITY FOR US BY INVITING COMMERCIAL AND OTHER BUSINESSES INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO GIVES, YOU KNOW, CONSTANT INCOME,
A STABLE INCOME FOR US. 
          SO WHAT IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN FOR THOSE LEADERS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK FOR THAT OPTION TO
CONVERT EITHER AN AGRICULTURAL LAND OR ANY OTHER EMPTY LAND INTO A RESIDENTIAL LAND, AS OPPOSED TO CONVERTING THE ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL LANDS. 
          23. ORCHARD HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. JOHNSON. 
          JOHNSON AS OF NOW. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS TO GET ANOTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF LOOPHOLES TO GET THAT. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE IN A RUSH TO MAKE A DECISION JUST TO PLEASE OUR,
IF NOT PLEASING TO ADDRESS TO THE STATE MANDATE AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING INTO OUR PEOPLE, OUR RESIDENTS INCOME OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES? THAT'S THAT'S MY QUESTION. YEAH. SO I WOULD LIKE TO I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE AS
A AS A BOARD MEMBER. 
          YES. WE'RE IN A RUSH. WE WERE WE WERE IMPOSED BY THE STATE ON THIS REQUIREMENT. 
          WE HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION, A PLAN, BY JUNE 30TH. 
          WE WE WERE TOLD THAT IN MARCH OF 2024, BUT WE WEREN'T GIVEN THE NUMBER OF WHAT THE PLAN
WAS GOING TO BE UNTIL THE LATE PART OF 2024. I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER. THE TOWNSHIP THEN HAD TO,
BY REQUIREMENT BY STATUTE, PASSED A RESOLUTION EITHER AGREEING TO OR DISAGREEING WITH THE THE NUMBER THAT THE STATE GAVE US BY JANUARY. 
          THAT NUMBER WAS THEN. WE COULD HAVE FOUGHT IT AT THAT POINT,
AND IN MARCH WE WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD YES OR NO. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE HAD THREE MONTHS TO TRY TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO FIT THE 260 HOUSES THAT
WERE MANDATED BY THE STATE, PLUS REDEEMED HOUSES. THAT'S WHO. I'M SORRY. 
          WHO IS THAT? WHO? SIR. SIR, PLEASE. PLEASE. LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT CIVIL. 
          NO YELLING. PLEASE. SO, YES, THIS IS ALMOST UNPRECEDENTED OF HOW MUCH OF A RUSH THIS WAS. 
          THE REASON IT'S SUCH A RUSH IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN 50 YEARS. 
          FIVE ZERO YEARS SINCE MOUNT LAUREL WAS MANDATED BY THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY,
THE SUPREME COURT. 
          OF NEW JERSEY. AND AT EVERY TIME TOWNS TOWNS LIKE OURS HAVE PUSHED BACK. 
          AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE STATE GOT. 
          THE STATE GOT UPSET BECAUSE TOWNS LIKE US AND OTHER TOWNS AROUND THE REGION,
WE'RE NOT DOING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF HOUSING. 
          SO THE STATE SAID THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM HERE. 
          YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT BY JUNE 30TH. 
          IT'S UNPRECEDENTED HOW MUCH OF A RUSH THIS IS. 
          AND THIS IS WHY THERE ARE A LOT OF PARTS OF THIS PLAN THAT PROBABLY DON'T MAKE A LOT OF
SENSE RIGHT NOW. 
          I WILL AGREE, BUT THIS IS THE STATE REQUIREMENT. 
          SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION PARTIALLY. 
          IF I CAN SUPPLEMENT THAT JUST JUST A LITTLE BIT,
I DO WANT TO KNOW THAT THE TOWN DID HAVE A ROUND THREE PLAN THAT WAS COMPLIANT AS WELL, AND THAT'S PRODUCING NUMBERS. AND I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT IT IS EXTREMELY UNHEARD OF TO
PUT A PLAN TOGETHER IN 90 DAYS, RIGHT? EVEN DURING THE COURT PROCESS IN ROUND THREE. 
          THE INTENTION AND NOT FROM MOUNT LAUREL FOR WAS AT LEAST 120 DAYS,
AND THAT WENT OUT TO TWO TO 3 TO 4 YEARS FOR MOST PEOPLE. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS WHY THE LEGISLATURE SAID,
YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T WANT IT TO LINGER FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS OUT OF THE TEN YEAR CYCLE. 
          WE'RE MAKING EVERYONE DO IT. AND I REPRESENT PROBABLY 15 MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE RIGHT
NOW. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ONLY TOWN OF MINE THAT WAS GIVEN THE ABILITY TO HAVE 30 DAYS
IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET A NUMBER FROM THE COURT 
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UNTIL 30 DAYS AGO, SO THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE 60 DAYS TO DO IT. 
          SO IT IS RUSHED, IT IS TERRIBLE. IT. AND THE COURTS HAVE SHOT DOWN EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR
THOSE IN THAT SITUATION THAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND I THINK IT'S LESS THAN TEN TOWNS THAT I'VE HEARD OF
AMONGST ALL MY ATTORNEY FRIENDS THAT THAT PRACTICE IN THIS FIELD. 
          OUT OF WHAT IS IT? 400. AND HOW MANY TOWNS ARE PARTICIPATING? 450. MAYBE 420. MAYBE TEN. HAVE GOTTEN A 30 DAY EXTENSION. 
          SO IT IS CRAZY. AND I'M ANGRY THERE WITH YOU AND EVERY OTHER RESIDENT OF THIS STATE THAT
SEES THIS. 
          BUT UNFORTUNATELY, OUR JOB IS TO ALSO PROTECT THE MUNICIPALITY FROM BUILDER REMEDIES,
LITIGATION, AND POTENTIALLY LOSING YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE ANY SAY IN THE ZONING OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE
TOWN AS A RESULT. 
          SO IF WE DON'T MEET THESE DEADLINES, YOU LOSE YOUR IMMUNITY AND CAN YOU CAN COME IN,
WHOEVER IT IS AND ASK FOR MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT IS A VERY BIG LOCATION. BUT RIGHT NOW, THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS,
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ONLY TO IMPACT THE IMPACTED PORTION OF THAT SITE. SO THERE'S STILL A WHOLE LOT MORE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT
GOING TO GET DEVELOPED, RIGHT. AND THIS WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED I BELIEVE. 
          RIGHT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE LEMONADE OUT OF LEMONS. 
          AND THE PLAN THAT IS THAT WAS FINALLY BROUGHT FORTH IN THIS SHORTENED PERIOD OF TIME IS
DOING THE BEST EFFORT TO MAKE LEMONADE OUT OF LEMONS. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE ASKING WHY IS SOMETHING LIKE CAN VIEWER 23 ORCHARD IN THIS PLAN,
IT'S TO NOT IMPACT GREEN SPACE, IT'S TO ONLY IMPACT SPACE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED FOR WHICH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE
COMING TO US SAYING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. 
          CAN VIEW IS CLOSING DOWN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          THE MUNICIPALITY, IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW, HAS RECEIVED NOTICE OF MASS LAYOFF THAT IT IS
CEASING TO FUNCTION. 
          IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE. TAX APPEALS WILL BE IN. 
          I BELIEVE SOMETHING WAS FILED ALREADY. IT IS NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO PRODUCE THE SAME
TYPE OF INCOME FOR THE MUNICIPALITY AS HOUSING, OR SOME OTHER USE WILL PROVIDE. SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING TO GO THERE. 
          SO THE THOUGHT IS, LET'S TAKE THAT AND MAKE LEMONADE. 
          THANK YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE. 
          ALL MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE CONVERTING A COMMERCIAL WHICH WOULD GIVE A LONG TERM
OPPORTUNITY JOB IN TAX THEN LOOKING FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN MY QUESTION. 
          BUT I THINK ALL WE ARE SAYING IS THAT THAT WAS AVAILABLE. WE JUST TAKING IT. 
          WELL IT'S COMMERCIAL THAT IS CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL,
BUT WE'VE BEEN ADVISED THAT IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING AT THE LEVEL IT SHOULD OR THAT IT'S CLOSING ENTIRELY. SO THAT IS WHY THEY WERE PROPOSED. 
          THERE WAS OTHER SITES PROPOSED, BUT THAT'S WHY THESE PARTICULAR SITES HAVE MADE IT INTO
THE PROPOSAL. 
          OKAY, ONE LAST THING. OTHER COMMUNITIES AND TOWNSHIPS ARE EAGERLY GOING OUT OF THE WAY TO
ATTRACT THE BUSINESSES. 
          I THINK IN OUR CASE, WE'RE KIND OF PROBABLY THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO LOCATIONS IN OUR
COMMUNITY THAT'S COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN. AND WHEN BUSINESS COME AND ASK FOR IT,
WE HAVE NO LAND. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT. MY CLOSING COMMENTS. THANK YOU. 
          NEXT. LAURA. ARMAN. RAJANI. ARMAN. RAJANI. OKAY. 
          MADHURI. OKAY. OLIVER. TENNEY. 
          OLIVER. TENNEY. 238 SKILLMAN ROAD, SIR. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS
EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. 
          YES. THANK YOU. AS I RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE SORT OF IN A PRELIMINARY STAGE. 
          I'D RATHER EXPRESS THESE AS COMMENTS THAN QUESTIONS,
BECAUSE THAT'S FINE. YEP. YOU'RE GOOD. SO I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY HOPE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, IN APPROVING THE LAYOUTS OF THESE UPCOMING HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS,
CONTINUOUSLY BEAR IN MIND THE NEEDS OF THE PEDESTRIAN AND THE BICYCLIST FOR IN THE ABSENCE OF A VEHICLE, EVERY CURVE IN THE ROAD, EVERY BLOCKED OFF SHORTCUT,
EVERY MISSED SIDEWALK CONNECTION, EVERY, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WAY THAT DOES NOT EXIST REPRESENTS INCREASED TRAVEL TIME AND SERVE
AS REMINDERS THAT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT WAS NOT DESIGNED WITH THEM IN MIND. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EXPRESS THAT I AM HEARTENED THAT MONTGOMERY HAS RECOGNIZED THE VALUE
OF CONCENTRATING DEVELOPMENT NEAR PUBLIC TRANSIT. INCREASING HOUSING DENSITY ENABLES A VIRTUOUS CYCLE OF TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT WHERE MORE RIDERS JUSTIFY MORE FREQUENT SERVICE. 
          MONTGOMERY IS CURRENTLY SERVED ONLY BY A SINGLE BUS LINE TRAVELING SOUTHWARDS BUT NOT
NORTHWARDS, TAKING A WINDING INDIRECT ROUTE TO PRINCETON AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,
MONTGOMERY'S CURRENT HOUSING DENSITY HAS ONLY JUSTIFIED HOURLY SERVICE, LEAVING IT AS A TRANSIT OPTION OF LAST RESORT. 
          IT SHOULD HARDLY SURPRISE US THAT WHEN WE SEE BICYCLISTS TRAVELING THE LENGTH OF ROUTE
SIX, 
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EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF SAFE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I ALSO HOPE THAT THE BOARD CONTINUES TO TRACK AND ASSESS THE APPLICABILITY OF STATE BILL
A4972. 
          ON SINGLE STAIR REFORM AND ASSESS ITS VALUE AND YOU KNOW,
MEETING OUR HOUSING OBLIGATIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE ORCHARD HILL DEVELOPMENT. I'VE SEEN THE RENDERS. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BENEFIT. IT'S A DEVELOPER QUESTION,
BUT OKAY, FINALLY, IT IS MY HOPE THAT AS THE PLANNING BOARD WORKS TO APPROVE NEW HOUSING, THAT IT REMEMBERS THE WORK OF ETHEL LAWRENCE. 
          BORN AND RAISED IN MOUNT LAUREL, NEW JERSEY,
TO A FAMILY OF POOR TENANT FARMERS, SHE HAD WATCHED AS PHILADELPHIA SUBURBANITES AND AS NEW, AFFLUENT RESIDENTS MOVED IN, SECURING CONTROL OF THE TOWNSHIP GOVERNMENT. 
          THE NEW TOWN GOVERNMENT, SEEKING TO DISPLACE THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTS,
A LARGELY POOR AND BLACK COMMUNITY WITH MANY FAMILIES THAT FIRST ARRIVED IN MOUNT LAUREL AS ESCAPED SLAVES. SET ABOUT CONDEMNING THE HOMES OF HER LONGTIME NEIGHBORS AND REFUSING
THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW ONES. 
          WHEN IN 1970, ETHEL LAWRENCE AND HER NEIGHBORS SECURED FUNDING FOR THE PLANNING OF A NEW
AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT, THEY WERE DENIED BY THE TOWNSHIP. WITH THE MAYOR GOING SO FAR AS TO SAY,
IF YOU PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN OUR TOWN, THEN YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO LEAVE. IT WAS ARTHUR LAWRENCE'S LAWSUIT AGAINST THE TOWNSHIP,
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOUTH BURLINGTON CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE. THEY GAVE US THE MOUNT LAUREL DOCTRINE IN RECOGNITION OF
HER EFFORTS. 
          SHE WAS INUNDATED WITH HATE MAIL, OBSCENE CALLS,
DEATH THREATS, AND IN ONE INSTANCE, A BULLET FIRED THROUGH HER BEDROOM WINDOW. 
          IT IS MY HOPE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOGNIZES THE MORAL IMPERATIVE OF APPROVING NEW
HOUSING AND, FOR THAT MATTER, APPROVING MORE THAN THE BARE MINIMUM. 
          EVERY UNBUILT AFFORDABLE UNIT IS ANOTHER RENT BURDENED FAMILY. 
          EVERY UNBUILT MARKET RATE UNIT IS ADDED STRAIN ON THE NEW JERSEY HOUSING MARKET,
ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE NATION. 
          IT IS A MATTER OF URGENCY, WHICH CAN BE MEASURED IN HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS PER FAMILY PER
MONTH. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SARAH THOMAS. 
          HI. GOOD EVENING. I'M 1116 AUTUMN LANE. AND,
SIR, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. 
          YES. THANK YOU. COOL. MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT EXPIRATION AND EXPIRATION OF THESE AFFORDABLE
UNITS. 
          SO WHEN DO THE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT ARE FUNDED BY 26 ORCHARD. 
          AND CAN YOU EXPIRE? WOULDN'T IT COST US MORE TO BUY THAT AGAIN WHEN IT EXPIRES? WHAT IS THIS? HOW IS THIS, THIS SUSTAINABLE FOR THE FUTURE? 30 YEARS. IS IT SO THEY THERE'S DIFFERENT EXPIRATION DATES. 
          ALL OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO EXTEND WILL EXPIRE WITHIN THIS TEN YEAR FRAME FOR
ROUND FOUR, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE AS CREDIT MOVING FORWARD AGAIN. 
          THE COST, THAT IS, HE'S ASKING FOR THE THE NEW UNITS IN THE PLAN. 
          OH, THE NEW UNITS. OH. I'M SORRY. YES. MAYBE TIE IT TO THE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE STATE
HAS THAT. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO. I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION THAT HIS QUESTION WAS
ABOUT THE NEW UNITS. 
          SO THE NEW UNITS, THERE'S A TWO WAY SYSTEM NOW UNDER THE NEW LAW. 
          RENTALS ARE NOW REQUIRED TO BE FOR 40 YEARS,
AND FOR SALE UNITS WOULD BE FOR 30 YEARS. 
          THAT IS THE BARE MINIMUM OF THE LAW. I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT WAS THE THE NEXT PART? I APOLOGIZE. HOW WAS THIS SUSTAINABLE? SO NOW WE BUILT THIS NEW COMMUNITY TO PAY FOR OUR GOALS THIS YEAR. 
          MAYBE. OH, HOW WOULD WE FUND A FUTURE EXTENSION AFTER 40 YEARS WHEN WE ARE,
WHEN WE BUILD MORE. 
          TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT THIS. SO SOME OF THAT WILL BE BUILT IN BY LAW. 
          THE FOR SALE UNITS ARE THE WAY THAT THAT THEY COME THROUGH IS THE UNIT IS IS DEED
RESTRICTED FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 YEARS. 
          HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE THAT IF IT GETS SOLD AFTER THE DEED RESTRICTION
FALLS OFF THE EXCESS BEYOND WHAT IT WOULD BE SOLD FOR FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSEHOLD,
WHAT WOULD THAT RESTRICTION BE? THAT EXCESS GOES BACK INTO THE TOWNSHIP TRUST FUND. 
          SO THAT WOULD HELP FUND ADDITIONAL THINGS IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE COULD GO AGAIN. AND RIGHT NOW IN THE LEGISLATION,
THERE IS A MINIMUM AMOUNT OR SET PRICE FOR WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO OFFER TO EXTEND THAT CONTROL. AND THE IDEA BEING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW,
10 TO 20,000, DEPENDING IF IT'S A RENTAL OR IT'S A FOR SALE UNIT, 
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IS TO HELP WITH UPDATING AND MAKING THE UNIT HABITABLE FOR ANOTHER TERM WHERE SOMEBODY MAY
NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT IT IN THEMSELVES. 
          SO IT'S TO TRY TO HELP THE THE HOMEOWNER OR THE THE OWNER OF THE UNIT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
THOSE MODIFICATIONS, UPGRADES. SUSTAINABILITY IS WHAT HAPPENS FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF RULES. 
          AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE STATUTE IS SUPPOSED TO STAY IN PLACE EACH ROUND AND IT WOULD BE
ANOTHER 17,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS AGAIN, TO DO SO. WHETHER THE LEGISLATURE CHANGES THAT,
THAT'S ANYBODY'S GUESS. 
          COOL. AND AND, WENDY, WE ONLY HAVE YOU FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE BRIEF AND TO THE POINT. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 30 YEARS, 40 YEARS. 3040. YES. AND RENTAL IN 40 YEARS. 
          HOW DOES TOM TOWN COME UP WITH MONEY TO DO IT AGAIN IN 40 YEARS? I THINK IF YOU ASK SOMEONE THAT IN 1975, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD AN ANSWER FOR THIS YEAR,
SO I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. SO WE HAVE TWO SPECIFIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE CONVERTING FROM COMMERCIAL TO
RESIDENTIAL. 
          AS PART OF THIS PLAN. WOULDN'T THIS BE CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING? WHERE WOULD OTHER DEVELOPERS USE THIS AS A LAWSUIT TO BUY ANY COMMERCIAL LAND? FARM LAND AND ASK US TO BUILD. YOU DID IT FOR THEM. 
          WHY NOT FOR ME KIND OF THING. SO IT'S NOT CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING UNDER THE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING RULES. 
          OH, SO THAT HAS AN EXCEPTION. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT ANY,
ANY INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES UP IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD IS LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          OKAY. HAS TO HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS. SO ARE WE GOOD? MY LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE ADDED BY THE 206,
THE 26 ORCHARD PROPERTY THAT IS ADDED. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN AND IF THEY COME HERE FOR INITIAL,
PRELIMINARY OR FINAL APPROVAL, PART OF THAT APPROVAL HAS TO BE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE BY THEM AND BY OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER
AS WELL BASED FOR THAT THEY DO. 
          THEY DO. YEP. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. 
          EDWARD SILVERMAN. NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO COMMENTS. 
          THE QUESTIONS HAVE ALL BEEN. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE COMMENTS COMING UP. 
          CAN I JUST ASK? EDWARD SILVERMAN I'VE LIVED ON FAIRVIEW ROAD FOR ABOUT 35 YEARS,
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH. 
          THANK YOU. I'VE GOT FOUR COMMENTS ABOUT DEFICIENCIES IN THE PROPOSED PLAN,
AND FOR EACH OF THE COMMENTS, I'LL BE OFFERING A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER. 
          THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING AND THE ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE OF
IT, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, JUST GO ON CHATGPT OR GEMINI AND JUST PUT IN THE
QUESTION IS THE FORMER JOHNSON AND JOHNSON BABY PRODUCTS BUILDING IN SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY AN ARCHITECTURALLY IMPORTANT BUILDING? AND YOU'LL GET THE ANSWER PRETTY EASY. I'M GOING TO READ FROM THE PROPOSED PLAN. 
          THE SITE WILL NOT AFFECT ANY HISTORIC OR ARCHITECTURALLY IMPORTANT SITES AND DISTRICTS. 
          THERE ARE NO HISTORIC OR ARCHITECTURALLY IMPORTANT SITES OR BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY,
OR IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY THAT WILL AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE AND MISLEADING AND SHOULD BE DELETED FROM THE PLAN BEFORE
APPROVAL. 
          OTHERWISE, IT CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. 
          I RECOMMEND YOU REPLACE IT WITH THE FOLLOWING. 
          IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED HOUSING ON THE VIEW SITE WILL REQUIRE DEMOLITION OF THE
EXISTING HEADQUARTERS BUILDING. 
          THE BUILDING IS A SIGNIFICANT EXAMPLE OF LATE MODERN ARCHITECTURE. 
          IT WAS DESIGNED BY HENRY N COBB AND W STEVE WOOD OF I.M. 
          PEI AND PARTNERS. NOW, PEI COBB FREEDOM PARTNERS WITH OVERSIGHT BY PEI HIMSELF AND
INVOLVED COLLABORATION WITH RENOWNED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT LAURIE OWEN, FURTHER ENHANCING ITS OVERALL DESIGN AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. 
          CONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WILL RESULT IN THE LOSS OF ONE OF THE MOST
ARCHITECTURALLY IMPORTANT BUILDINGS IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. 
          IN ITS PLACE WILL BE A NONDESCRIPT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO THOUSANDS OF OTHERS. 
          NUMBER. TWO THE PLAN STATES, AND I QUOTE AGAIN ABOUT THE KENNEDY SITE. IT IS UNDERUTILIZED. AND THE PROPOSED INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT PRESENTS A VERY GOOD
UTILIZATION OF THE SITE. 
          THAT IS FALSE, MISLEADING AND HIGHLY PREJUDICIAL. 
          I RECOMMEND YOU REPLACE IT WITH. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY FULLY UTILIZED AS ANTICIPATED IN
THE TOWNSHIP, ZONING LAWS AND MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WOULD
REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT CHANGING OF ZONING REGULATIONS AND OR VARIANCES, 
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AND WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD,
WHICH IS OPPOSED BY MANY OF THE NEARBY RESIDENTS. 
          THREE. MR. BLODGETT ASKED THE QUESTION ON MONDAY,
WHICH NEVER GOT ANSWERED ADEQUATELY, WHICH WAS IN THE COURSE OF EVENTS THAT EVERYBODY HAD EXPECTED, WHICH WAS JOHNSON. 
          AND JOHNSON WOULD JUST STAY THERE FOR TIME IMMEMORIAL. 
          AND YOU HAD THE EXACT REQUIREMENTS. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? WHAT WAS THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN? AS NOT GENERAL EISENHOWER,
BUT SOMEBODY ELSE SAID HAVING ONLY ONE OPTION IS NEVER A GOOD OPTION. 
          SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER ACTION IS TAKEN BY THE PLANNING BOARD
ON THE FOURTH ROUND, HOUSING AND FAIR SHARE PLAN PASS A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE TOWNSHIP ADMINISTRATION WITHIN
30 DAYS, OR WHATEVER TIME PERIOD YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE TO DEVELOP AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN BASED ON
THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE SITE CANNOT BE USED. 
          THIS WOULD PROVIDE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ASKED BY A MEMBER OF THE BOARD. 
          WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROPOSED IF JOHNSON AND JOHNSON HAD CONTINUED TO OCCUPY THE SITE? THE POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND CONSULTANT THAT THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES. 
          LACKS CREDIBILITY. SIR, COULD I ASK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. IF IF IF WE WANT TO GET EVERYBODY HEARD. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. 
          COULD I ASK YOU? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. COULD. 
          COULD I ASK YOU TO EMAIL THAT I HAVE 15 COPIES? I'LL BE HAPPY TO HAND OUT TO YOU. I WOULD LIKE A COPY,
SO THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THAT. SO. ALL RIGHT, NUMBER FOUR. 
          AND THIS IS KIND OF THE TOUGHEST ONE. AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PAYING ROUGHLY
$1 MILLION, AND THERE'S VARIOUS EUPHEMISMS THAT HAVE BEEN USED TO DESCRIBE THAT. 
          NONCONTIGUOUS CREDIT, I THINK, IS THE ONE THAT'S GENERALLY USED. 
          AND THE ISSUE THAT I THINK YOU NEED TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE,
WHATEVER THE INTENTION WAS, IT LOOKS LIKE A BRIBE. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER THE LONG TERM
NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE TOWNSHIP ACCEPTING $1 MILLION PAYOFF FROM A DEVELOPER AS A QUID PRO QUO FOR APPROVAL OF THEIR
DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER THE PROS AND CONS OF THE KENNEDY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT,
IN THE ABSENCE OF THE MILLION DOLLAR PAYOFF. 
          IF THE PLAN CANNOT STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS, AND THE TOWNSHIP IS ADOPTING THE PLAN AS A
RESULT OF THE PAYOFF, THEN IT WILL BE SENDING A CLEAR MESSAGE TO ALL FUTURE PARTIES WISHING TO BUILD OR CONDUCT
OTHER BUSINESS WITH MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. 
          PAY US A BRIBE AND WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. PERMISSION TO APPROACH. YOU CAN GIVE. 
          GIVE THEM TO LORI OR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OR SHERRY AT THE END THERE. 
          LORI, DO WE HAVE A NEXT? YES. ELMIRA HILL. 
          ELMIRA HILL, FAIRVIEW ROAD. MA'AM, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS
EVENING. 
          WE'LL BE TRUTHFUL. YES. THANK YOU. MINE IS JUST MOSTLY COMMENTS. 
          BECAUSE I'VE LIVED IN THE TOWNSHIP SO LONG. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1976,
AND I'VE SEEN SO MANY CHANGES IN THE TOWNSHIP. 
          WHEN I CAME HERE, IT WAS A REALLY VIBRANT FARMING COMMUNITY,
AND NOW IT'S A MINI METRO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THIS, BUT I STILL THINK KEN IS THE WRONG AREA FOR IT. 
          I'D LIKE JUST TO DO BULLET POINTS AS TO WHY ALL THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MONDAY. 
          MOST OF IT HAS MY CONCERNS ARE THE ECOSYSTEM,
THE WILDLIFE, THE WETLANDS. 
          THEY'LL ALL BE AFFECTED. THERE'S ALSO EPA CONCERNS OVER THERE AT KENYA RIGHT NOW THAT NEED
TO BE CLEANED UP AND FIXED. 
          INCREASED TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW, 601 IS MURDEROUS TO TRY AND GET OUT OF THERE AT 9:00 IN THE
MORNING. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE A BACKUP AND YOU'VE GOT THE RAILROAD TRACK AND A RED LIGHT. 
          SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET KILLED. INCREASE IN SCHOOL ENROLLMENT. 
          EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THE NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN THE OTHER NIGHT. 
          BACK IN 2000, THERE WAS A LITTLE OVER 100 KIDS. 
          THIS YEAR'S EIGHTH GRADE GRADUATED, 517 KIDS. 
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SO DON'T TELL ME THE NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN. WHICH LEADS TO INCREASED TAXES. 
          AND THE PEOPLE THAT STAY HERE END UP PAYING THE TAXES,
AND OTHERS MOVE AS SOON AS THEIR KIDS GRADUATE. 
          A LOT TO YOU. LET'S SEE. ALONG WITH IF THEY DO PUT ALL THESE HOUSES IN LOW INCOME, IN WILL THERE BE A MINI MALL BEFORE YOU KNOW IT? BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR AWAY FROM THE MAIN SHOPPING AREAS? THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE. SO I URGE THE TEAM TO CONSIDER OTHER SITES OTHER THAN CAN
VIEW. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS FOR SALE ON JUST PROPERTY FOR SALE ON 518. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT. THERE'S A LOT OF I DROVE AROUND THE OTHER NIGHT,
AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW AREAS THAT ARE FREE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, TERMED FOR WHATEVER USE,
BUT I WOULD REALLY THINK IT KIND OF YOU TO THINK HARD AND LONG ABOUT THIS PROJECT. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. LLOYD FERNANDEZ. LLOYD FERNANDEZ, 37TH FEBRUARY. 
          SKILLMAN. AND, SIR, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING WILL BE
TRUTHFUL? YES, I DO. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON OUR BEHALF. I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I WANT TO FIRST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT GO TO THE SENTIMENT OF DISTRUST THAT IS
BEING FELT. 
          SO LET'S START WITH THIS WHOLE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT 470 TRUCKS. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH WORSE THAN THAT. WORSE THAN HAVING A HOUSING. 
          THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ROOF. YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS. THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING, WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE DEVELOPER AND DEVELOPERS
AND CONTRACTORS, AS WE KNOW, WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SELL. 
          I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER WE ARE GULLIBLE OR WHATEVER TO BRING THAT TO US AS A SCARE TACTIC,
BUT THE SENTIMENT IS THAT WAS A SCARE TACTIC THAT WAS USED AND THAT WAS NOT APPRECIATED. 
          THE SECOND PORTION IS. THE WHOLE ISSUE OF NOTICES KOREAN NEWS WAS GIVEN AS THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER. 
          SO I WENT TO KOREA NEWS, GOT MYSELF LOGGED IN,
GOT MYSELF A SUBSCRIPTION, AND ON THE 12TH THERE WAS A NOTICE THERE WHICH I SAW, WHICH WAS GOOD. AND THEN I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THE PAPER. 
          THAT PAPER IS NOT LOCAL NEWS. IT IS INTERNATIONAL,
I'M SORRY. 
          NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA WITH LOCATIONS OF NEWS IN A VARIETY OF PLACES. 
          AND. THE RESEARCH I DID SAID IT IS MORE A SORT OF A MOUTHPIECE FOR A PARTICULAR PARTY AND VERY PARTIZAN RATHER THAN A LOCAL NEWS. 
          SO I HAVE CANCELED MY SUBSCRIPTION THERE. THE QUESTION OF NOTICE I GET EMAIL IN THE MODERN DAY EMAIL IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I SUBSCRIBE TO THE SOMERSET COUNTY. I SUBSCRIBE TO THE MONTGOMERY POLICE. 
          I EVEN GET EMAIL FROM THE TOWNSHIP SAYING THERE'S A BLOOD DRIVE,
THERE'S FIREWORKS, THERE IS A FARMER'S MARKET. 
          THERE IS A VARIETY OF THINGS. COULD I STOP YOU FOR ONE SECOND? SURE. IT'S A STATE MANDATE THAT WE PUBLISH IN A NEWSPAPER THAT PUBLISHES AT LEAST WEEKLY. 
          SO WE HAVE TO. WE WOULD LOVE NOT TO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND AT OUR INITIAL MEETING EVERY JANUARY, WE DISCUSSED WHERE TO PUBLISH. 
          AND WE WOULD WELCOME FOLKS COMING TO THAT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE AND HOW WE SHOULD PUBLISH. 
          SO I AGREE WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE TOO MUCH TO SEND OUT
EMAIL TO THOSE PEOPLE, AT LEAST, THAT HAVE SUBSCRIBED WITH GOVERNMENT MANDATED NOTICES. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT THAT'S A SERVICE THAT MODERN DAY PEOPLE THAT RELY ON DIGITAL
STUFF. 
          SUBSCRIBE TO THE TOWNSHIP, SUBSCRIBE TO THE COUNTY FOR INFORMATION WOULD VERY MUCH
APPRECIATE. 
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HOLD ON. THE EMAILS THAT GO OUT FROM THE TOWNSHIP. 
          DO THEY HAVE A LINK TO THE WEBSITE FOR EACH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT? COULD SOMEONE LINKS? CLICK THROUGH THE LINK TO SEE THE LIST OF MEETINGS THAT ARE
SCHEDULED. 
          MEETING SCHEDULE? YES, SO YOU ACTUALLY CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT YES. BUT THEY DON'T SEND OUT THE MANDATED NOTICES THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT UP FRONT. 
          THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED. POINT TAKEN THE SECOND. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THE AND SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW I DID SAY THREE MINUTES. 
          I SAID EVERYONE WAS GOING TO BE HEARD. SO I,
YOU KNOW, I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT QUICK. 
          OKAY. OKAY. THE NOTE IS ON 40. NGC 4055, DASH 60 2.1. 
          I JUST WANT TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF LINES OF THAT STATEMENT OF THAT. 
          AND THIS IS NOTICE TO HEARING ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE PROPOSED TO CHANGE
TO THE CLASSIFICATION OF BOUNDARIES OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, EXCLUSIVE OF CLASSIFICATION OF BOUNDARIES RECOMMENDED IN PERIODIC GENERAL REEXAMINATION OF
THE MASTER PLAN. THIS IS NOT A GENERAL REEXAMINATION OF THE MASTER PLAN. 
          THIS IS A PLAN THAT CALLS FOR A ZONING CHANGE. 
          A PROPOSAL OF A ZONING CHANGE. SO I FEEL THAT THIS NOTICE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADHERED TO IN
TERMS OF THE NOTICES TO BE GIVEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR WHAT IS PUT IN THE MASTER PLAN. AND AND WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN FOR PRELIMINARY APPROVAL,
THOSE NOTICES ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO GO OUT. OKAY. MY UNDERSTANDING,
AND THIS IS MY RESEARCH AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT IT, IS THAT ONCE THIS GETS INTO THE MASTER PLAN AS THE ZONING CHANGE,
THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT HAVE TO SEND NOTICES RELATED TO THE ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE THE ZONING CHANGE WOULD ALREADY BE IN THE MASTER PLAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR OTHER
BUILDING, BUT FOR THE ZONING CHANGE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT AND THIS WOULD NOT REFER AND THIS
WOULD NOT APPLY. 
          IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND WE CERTAINLY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          SO THAT IS TO ME IS WRONG. SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANY ZONING CHANGES TONIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT OKAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS MEETING IS. 
          SO I THINK I THINK YOU CAN EXPECT AN APPEAL ON IF IT JUST PASSES WITH THE SUPERIOR CODE OF
NEW JERSEY. 
          JUST FAIR WARNING OKAY. THANK YOU. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE UP AS
POSSIBLE. 
          ONE LAST THING BECAUSE I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP. 
          THE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP, IF YOU SEE THE SITES,
THEY ARE ALL CLUSTERED AROUND ONE PLACE. 
          THIS IS NOT IN IN PRINCIPLE. EVEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T CLUSTER
THEM, SHOULDN'T PUT THEM INTO POCKETS BECAUSE THEY ARE BY DEFINITION,
SEGREGATION. 
          AND WE AS A TOWNSHIP SHOULD NOT PROCEED ON A PLAN THAT DOES SEGREGATION. 
          AND SOME OF THESE SITES ARE FAR AWAY FROM TRANSPORTATION. 
          THEY'RE FAR AWAY FROM WALKING DISTANCE TO EATING PLACES OR EVEN TO WORK. 
          AND I THINK I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING COULD SAY THIS IS A POSSIBLE SITE
FOR CAN YOU WHEN THERE ARE ALL THESE IMPEDIMENTS THAT ARE CLEARLY STATED IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE TRANSPORTATION,
IN TERMS OF WALKING DISTANCE TO FOOD AND AND TRANSPORTATION TO WORK. OKAY, SIR, I'M GOING TO ASK. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU CAN YOU CAN COME BACK UP IF YOU'D LIKE TO,
WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS HAD A CHANCE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. US TO DO THE THREE MINUTE TIMER FOR THIS. 
          SORRY, SORRY. TIME, PLEASE. MARIA. COACHMAN. HI AGAIN. 
          MARIA. COACHMAN. 139. FAIRVIEW. AND I KNOW YOU. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY. I'LL BE REALLY QUICK. 
          THE THREE FOUR COMMENTS IS THE. THE DEVELOPER,
I FEEL, IS THE ONE WHO'S THE BULLY. 
          HE SAYS FOR 17 HOUSES OR TRUCKING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE MORE
POWER TO SAY NO, THIS ISN'T. THIS IS IN THE SOUTHLANDS REGION,
IN AN AREA WHERE I PERSONALLY HAVE SIX AND A HALF ACRES BECAUSE I WANTED TO LIVE IN THAT TYPE OF AN AREA. I'M NOT AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M PURELY AGAINST THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          EVEN IF IT'S 200 HOUSES, IT'S JUST TOO MANY FOR AN AREA WHERE WE ALL APPRECIATE THE OPEN
SKIES. 
          THE OTHER THE OTHER COMMON IS THE ALTERNATE PLANS. 
          I WISH YOU WOULD BE MORE CREATIVE. I THOROUGHLY AGREE THAT WE'RE. 
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THIS IS IT. YOU GET THAT? AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME ALTERNATE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          TRY TO BE MORE CREATIVE. DON'T TAKE THE EASY ROUTE. 
          OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A BIG LAND. LET'S DUMP IT ALL THERE. 
          IN REGARD TO THE LEGAL NOTICE. YES, IT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO BE IN THE COURIER NEWS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALSO HAVE A MORAL REQUIREMENT TO NOTIFY YOUR RESIDENCE. 
          YOU SEND OUT A MONTH A WEEKLY NEWSLETTER WHICH I RECEIVE AND APPRECIATE. 
          NO, I DON'T WANT TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY IS APPLYING FOR THEIR DECK,
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS SUCH A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE TOWN, I OBVIOUSLY AM PASSIONATE ABOUT THE CAN VIEW PROPERTY,
BUT THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO AFFECT MANY PEOPLE IN TOWN, AND I THINK YOU HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO. IT COULD BE THREE LINES. 
          OKAY. THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          DON'T MAKE US. YEAH. REQUIRE US TO GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE OF THE WEBSITE. 
          I'M VERY SAVVY ON THE COMPUTER. NOT EVERYONE IS. 
          AGAIN, IT'S THE SEVERAL THINGS WE'RE THERE FOR BECAUSE IT'S A SURVEILLANCE. 
          WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT. AND I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU USED. THE ONE LAST COMMENT WAS THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE PROJECT. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE IT A PERMANENT RESTRICTION OR SOMETHING EVEN LONGER THAN 40
YEARS? I'LL BE DEAD. BUT I CARE ABOUT. I'M 68. I THINK I CARE. 
          I THINK THIS IS THE WRONG AUDIENCE FOR THAT QUESTION,
UNFORTUNATELY. 
          OKAY. THERE. FURTHER SOUTH IN TRENTON. SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. GIBSON. WHO'S THAT? SHELLY. LAURIE. 
          DEANGELIS. LAURIE. JAMAL. JALAL. AMAR. AHMAD. 
          JALAL. AND AGAIN, I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY IF IT IS A DUPLICATE COMMENT,
PLEASE JUST SAY YOU AGREE WITH THE COMMENT OF AND AND WE GET IT. TRUST ME. WE GET IT. 15 EASTRIDGE ROAD. 
          AND SIR, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING? WE'LL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOPE. 
          FOR MOST OF THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I THINK,
YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE SHOWN A LOT OF PATIENCE HEARING OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT VIEWS, AND AND THE COMMUNITY HAS REALLY SHOWN, YOU KNOW,
WHAT THEY REALLY FEEL ABOUT IT. 
          I DO AGREE WITH ALMOST ALL THE COMMENTS. IN ADDITION,
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHY THE TOWNSHIP IS RELYING ON BUILDERS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          WHY NOT? TOWNSHIP IS CONSIDERING VACANT LANDS SELF-FUNDED PROJECTS TO BUILD THESE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF GRANTS AND AIDES AVAILABLE TO HELP THIS. 
          AT STATE LEVEL. AT FEDERAL LEVEL. THE REASON IS THAT IF WE TOTALLY RELY ON BUILDERS,
THAT MEANS WE ARE INCREASING THE HOUSING BY FIVE TIMES, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU GET 20% AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM EACH BUILDER
VERSUS TRYING TO GO FOR 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. SO THAT SHOULD BE REALLY BE THE ALTERNATIVE. 
          WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOT PRESENTED, WHICH I FELT,
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LANDS. 
          A LOT OF TOWNSHIP ACQUIRED LANDS. WHICH THE TOWNSHIP COULD IF CHOOSE TO DO THIS INSTEAD OF
GOING FOR HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN AN AREA WHICH REALLY IS NOT LIKE THAT AND REALLY WILL CHANGE THE
FACE OF THE PLACE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FRANK. DRIFT. HE'S BEEN SWORN. YEAH. FRANK DRIFTS. YES I DO. OKAY. NICE WORK FROM LAST. 
          NONETHELESS. MEETING. YEAH. WELL, I WENT DOWN AND I DID A LITTLE CHECKING MYSELF ABOUT. 
          WELL, I JUST HAPPENED TO NOTICE TODAY THAT THERE WAS CONTRACTORS OVER TO THE KENNEDY SITE
LOOKING FOR DEMO. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE,
BUT I CHECKED INTO THE TRUCKING TRAFFIC WHEN J&J WAS IN FULL SWING. 
          THE TRUCKS WERE OF THE DAY WERE FROM 90 MAX TO 100. 
          RIGHT. THE CARS WERE ABOUT 1600. RIGHT. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS BIG TRAFFIC AND ALL THIS TRUCKING. THE BUILDINGS. 
          THEY CAN'T HANDLE ALL THOSE TRUCKS BECAUSE THE LOADING DOCK IS PROBABLY TWICE THE SIZE OF
THIS BUILDING. 
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RIGHT. I KNOW, I WORK THERE EVERY DAY. IT'S SPLIT. 
          IT'S SPLIT. USE WAREHOUSE, MANUFACTURING AND OFFICE. 
          SO YOU REALLY YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT, ALL THAT WAREHOUSING. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S GOING TO REALLY, REALLY HURT OUR EMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO PAID EMS,
AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO END UP HAVING TO GO TO PAID FIRE. 
          WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? ALL OF US TAXPAYERS. 
          YEAH. NO NOT NOT CAN YOU. BECAUSE KENZIE IS GOING TO BE GOING. 
          YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD THAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE WAS REALLY PUSHING FOR THIS BY SOMEONE. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU WHO, BUT PERSON TOLD ME THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE WANTS THIS IN A WORST WAY. 
          I LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE WHO'S MAKING THE COMMISSIONS OFF OF THIS,
WHO'S A REALTOR HANDLING THIS SITUATION? BECAUSE SOMEONE'S MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. YOU KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT? SOUTHLAND MOUNTAINS. 
          I WANT TO THANK EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR THIS BOARD. 
          WELL, I WAS ON THE ZONING BOARD. I WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          I WAS ON THE RECREATION COMMITTEE. I WAS ON ALL THOSE THINGS,
AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. 
          I KNOW I HEARD PEOPLE BITCH WHEN THEY COME UP AND TELL THIS. 
          BUT I KNOW, I KNOW. BUT I WAS A GUY THAT WENT OUT TO CHECK THINGS OUT MYSELF. 
          SO I JUST TELLING YOU, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S SEVEN OTHER TOWNS THAT ARE SUING THE STATE. 
          WHY DON'T WE BE THE EIGHTH AND SAY, SUE THE STATE AND LET THEM COME AFTER US? IT'S GOING TO COST US OUT OF OUR POCKET ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          AND AND I'VE LIVED HERE WHEN SUNSET ROAD WAS DIRT. 
          SO I'VE LIVED HERE 82 YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. ALAN. ONE MORE QUICK, I THINK. I STARTED THE MONTGOMERY NEWSPAPER 35 YEARS AGO, AND I STARTED IT BECAUSE OF THE RODEO,
BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR A WAY TO ADVERTISE. 
          SO WE CAME TO THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE AND ASKED WHY THEY CAN'T PUT EVERYTHING IN THE
MONTGOMERY NEWS. 
          WELL, FRANK, WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU'RE MAKING MONEY. 
          OKAY, NOW I'M NOT THERE. I'M NOT MAKING ANY MONEY OUT OF IT. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S. IT'S A MONTHLY. THAT'S WHAT. 
          NO IT'S NOT. IT'S BI MONTHLY. I CHECK. I KNOW BECAUSE I WENT TO IT. 
          IT HAS NOW. EVEN IF THE STATE SAYS IT HAS TO BE WEEKLY. 
          I MEAN, OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHY YOUR MEETINGS ONCE A MONTH. 
          THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE TWICE A MONTH. YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP IN FRONT OF
YOU. 
          WHY DON'T WE TAKE A PAGE OUT IN THE MONTGOMERY NEWS AND ENLIST EVERYTHING? SO WE ALL KNOW. I JUST THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR OUR TAXPAYERS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOUR WHATEVER ELSE. I DON'T READ THE STAR-LEDGER. 
          HOW MANY OF YOU READ THE STAR-LEDGER? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT'S CAREER NEWS AND. OH, COURIER. YEAH, I DON'T READ THAT ONE EITHER. 
          THANK YOU. PATRICK. FLYNN. GEORGE. DESANTIS. 
          SANTOS. NANCY DEFAZIO. NANCY. SORRY. NANCY T. 
          I CANNOT READ YOUR HANDWRITING. CLAUDE. TAKANO. 
          AMO. KAMAL. KUMAR. KUMAR. STEVE. VOORHEES. PAUL. 
          PAUL SHEA. JAKE SCHWARTZMAN. I THINK PAUL SHEA WAS IN THE DUDE. 
          OH. I'M SORRY. YEAH, SORRY. I UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT. 
          HI, PAUL. CIAO. I LIVE IN MONTGOMERY, AND I KNOW YOU WERE SWORN IN ON MONDAY NIGHT. 
          NO PROBLEM. GREAT. SO ON IT WAS MONDAY. I TRIED TO WALK THROUGH THE THE TIMELINE,
AND, LIKE, I THINK IT'S BEEN TALKED THROUGH A FEW TIMES IN REGARDS TO,
LIKE, THAT 800 PAGE REPORT AND SORT OF LIKE HOW MUCH TIME WAS AVAILABLE. 
          AND I GUESS FOR ME, IT WAS LIKE THE PART THAT IS TROUBLING FOR ME IS THAT LIKE, 
          [01:00:01]
OKAY, SO THERE'S 90 DAYS, RIGHT? LIKE FROM MARCH WHEN IT WAS DECIDED THAT LIKE THIS MANY
CREDITS OR WHATEVER WAS NEEDED TO BE RESOLVED FOR, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF FURIOUS WORK TO GET IT DONE. 
          WHEN THIS, LIKE, DEVELOPER PLAN FIRST CAME OUT,
LIKE, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING 400 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH IS 5% OF THE, LIKE, CURRENT LIKE RESIDENTIAL CAPACITY OF MONTGOMERY. 
          SO LIKE, THAT'S HUGE, ISN'T IT? LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S REALLY HUGE. 
          AND SO I GUESS IT'S IT'S TROUBLING THAT LIKE THE DECISION IS MADE AND THEN ULTIMATELY LIKE IT WAS POSTED WITH TEN DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING AND THEN LIKE ANOTHER SEVEN DAYS
BEFORE IT WAS OFFICIALLY DUE. OTHERWISE WE'D BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. AND SO IT JUST SEEMS SUSPICIOUS TO ME AND LIKE
I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT NEEDED TO BE THAT WAY. 
          LIKE, IT'S, THERE'S THERE'S A FEW REASONS WHY IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD NEED TO BE THAT WAY,
BUT I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME, LIKE, WANT TO WANT IT TO BE THAT WAY. THAT'S ALL. 
          YES. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO LIKE, I MEAN, IF I KNOW THAT THIS IS COMMENTS PART BUT LIKE IF,
IF, IF YOU GUYS COULD GIVE ME SOME CLARITY. WELL WHY IT IS THIS. 
          RIGHT. RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING,
I THINK PAUL AND WENDY WALKED THROUGH THE TIMELINE OF WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE INFORMATION VERSUS WHEN IT WAS DUE. 
          IT'S IT'S 90 DAYS. I MEAN, I AND I KNOW THAT 90 DAYS. 
          BUT LIKE WHEN YOU SEE 90 DAYS, THE DEVELOPER THEN SAYS LIKE,
OH I GOT YOU. 
          I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL DEVELOP 400 UNITS AND THEN I'LL MEET THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR
REQUIREMENTS. 
          ISN'T THAT A THING THAT, LIKE YOU CAN YOU SHOULD LIKE AT LEAST PUT IT OUT THERE SOMEHOW,
IN SOME WAY. 
          TO TO TO TO TO TO ELICIT SOME FEEDBACK LIKE IT'S,
YOU KNOW AGAIN THEY HAVEN'T COME BEFORE US TO GET ANY KIND OF APPROVAL FOR ANYTHING YET. 
          IT'S JUST THE CONCEPT. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST A CONCEPT,
BUT THAT CONCEPT WAS STRONG ENOUGH THAT LIKE, THERE WASN'T AN EFFORT TO LOOK FOR IT ELSEWHERE. 
          LIKE LIKE THERE WASN'T AN EFFORT TO TO THEN BE LIKE,
OH, WELL, IF THAT'S NOT THE THING, THEN THEN THEN WE'LL DO OUR WAY. 
          WE'LL DO IT. BECAUSE SOLVING THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          JAKE? YEP. JAKE SCHWARTZMAN, 920 CHERRY HILL ROAD. 
          AND YOU WERE SWORN IN ON MONDAY NIGHT. THAT'S FINE. 
          I THINK THIS TOWN IS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. 
          I THINK THAT WE'RE KIND OF GOING TO SHIT. WE'RE BUILDING ALL THIS HOUSING. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE NOBODY WANTS IT. I THINK WE'RE BUILDING ALL THE WRONG TYPE OF HOUSING. 
          PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT THAT WE'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED. 
          IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO FIGHT THIS IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT
WAYS. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO FIGHT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT THAT WERE GOING TO GO UP. WE CAN FIGHT TO
TAKE PIKE RUN AND KEEP THAT LOW INCOME INSTEAD OF THE DEED EXPIRING. 
          FOR THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S BEEN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN FIGHT THIS AND
WE'RE NOT. AND WE HAVE A MAYOR WHO'S A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR IN THE TOWN, WHICH I THINK IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN MY OPINION. AND SHE'S BUILDING UP THE TOWN,
SHE'S BUILDING UP THE TOWN AND ALL THE WRONG SORTS OF WAYS. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO COME IN AND KEEP THE HISTORY OF THIS TOWN ALIVE. 
          WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, WHICH I WENT TO PRESCHOOL AND I GREW UP IN THIS TOWN MY
WHOLE LIFE. I'M. 
          I MAY BE YOUNG, BUT I'M VERY, VERY, VERY SENTIMENTAL,
PROBABLY OVERLY SENTIMENTAL AND PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TOWN AND THE HISTORY OF THIS TOWN. 
          I MADE A DOCUMENTARY ON THE HISTORY OF THE NORTH PRINCETON DEVELOPMENTAL CENTER,
WHICH WAS WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE PLANET, AND THEY HAD THE JASON VOORHEES HOUSE, WHICH WAS BUILT IN THE 1840S. 
          AND THAT WAS WIPED OFF BECAUSE THEY FLED IT IN DISREPAIR. 
          AND THEN PEOPLE BURNED IT DOWN AND THINK, OH,
WAIT. BUT IT'S JUST I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON INSTEAD OF BUILDING A WEGMANS AND A SHOPPING CENTER AND DOING ALL THIS SORTS OF STUFF AND THIS STUPID I MEAN,
I THINK IT'S A STUPID BUILDING. 
          WHEN WE HAD OTHER BUILDING, I CAN'T EVEN HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT CEILINGS ARE SO
TALL AND THE ECHOES LIKE, I JUST THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. NOW WE HAVE THE MARRIOTT JACOBS LIBRARY THAT'S
SITTING IN DISREPAIR WHERE I GREW UP, AND THEN WE HAVE THE THE OTHER MUNICIPAL BUILDING,
WHICH IS JUST SITS VACANT BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID IT WAS UGLY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. I THINK WE AGAIN,
THIS IS A TOWN. 
          MONTGOMERY IS A VERY, VERY RARE TOWN THAT GENTRIFY IN NEW JERSEY. 
          I'VE HAD DELIVERY JOBS HAVE BEEN ALL OVER. I MAY BE YOUNG,
BUT I'VE BEEN ALL OVER NEW JERSEY. 
          I'VE SEEN EVERY NECK OF THE WOODS HERE. THIS IS A VERY. 
          AND NOT EVEN JUST THE FACT THAT I GREW UP HERE,
BUT IT'S A VERY RARE TOWN AND THAT WE GENTRIFIED IN A VERY, VERY GOOD WAY. THAT MADE IT A BEAUTIFUL PRESERVE TOWN FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 
          AND NOW I THINK WE'RE JUST HEADED INTO THE DIRT AND I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER. 
          [01:05:01]
YOU BUILD THIS HOUSING, THEN WHAT? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR IT. AND EVERYBODY
KNOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR IT. THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS. THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN. 
          THEN IF YOU GO UP THE HILL, YOU CAN'T YOUR TRUCKS CAN'T COME DOWN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A
DIRT ROAD COMING IN AND THEN THE SEMI TRUCKS CAN'T COME DOWN BECAUSE THE BRAKES ARE GOING TO GET TOO HOT AND THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO STOP. I THINK THIS THING IS JUST A
HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE IDEA THAT JOHNSON AND JOHNSON DID A GREAT JOB WHEN THEY CAME HERE. 
          THEY THEY THEY HIRED SOME, I DON'T KNOW, HOTSHOT ARCHITECTURE THAT SOMEONE SAID LIKE
DESIGN THE LOUVRE OR SOMETHING. 
          AND THEY HAD IT NICE AND TUCKED AWAY. IT WAS WE'VE BEEN AT JOHNSON AND JOHNSON TOWN FOR A
LONG TIME. 
          WE HAD JOHNSON JOHNSON HERE AT BLOOMBERG, AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD
HOUSES. 
          I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WHOSE IDEA WAS THAT? I MEAN,
YES, THE STATE IS JUST TO DO THIS, BUT LIKE, WE CAN FIGHT. WE DON'T JUST HAVE TO. MR.. MR.. 
          THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO TO FIGHT AND IT'S IT'S REALLY A. 
          AND, MR. SCHWARTZMAN, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE WAY UP. 
          OKAY. JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS. NOT. NOT. YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. 
          I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AT ONE TIME. I'M JUST
GOING TO SAY A COUPLE MORE THINGS. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY NICE TO SEE SOME STRONG. SO YOU CAN DO THAT WEIRD THING WHERE YOU'RE DOING WHATEVER. 
          BUT I THINK WE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME STRONG LEADER COME INTO THIS TOWN AND FIGHT FOR THE
PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN THAT ARE ALL HERE WITH PITCHFORKS SAYING THAT WE HATE THIS SHIT THAT'S GOING ON, INSTEAD OF A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR THAT'S SELLING OUT THE TOWN. EXCUSE ME,
SIR, PLEASE WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE AT THE MICROPHONE. 
          THAT'S NOT RESPECTFUL. THIS IS VIDEOTAPED. MOHAN V. 
          ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY. BUT YOU'RE NOT AT THE MICROPHONE. 
          THE MICROPHONES WON'T PICK YOU UP. MOHAN, MOHAN. 
          LOREN. LONG. CLAPS YEAH, LAUREN WONG 322. 
          GRANDVIEW AND I KNOW YOU WERE SWORN IN ON MONDAY NIGHT,
SO THAT'S FINE. 
          YES, AND I'LL THANK. AND I'LL THANK YOU. I'LL THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR NOT YELLING AT US. 
          SO GO AHEAD. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND I'M ACTUALLY I'M VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN
TO THE TOWNSHIP. 
          I MEAN, I LIVED IN 40 FOR 49 YEARS IN GRANDVIEW ROAD,
AND I HATE TO SEE THE AREA CHANGE, BUT IT'S CHANGING. 
          I MEAN, EVERYBODY SEEMS TO THINK WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW MANY TRUCKS AND CARS JOHNSON AND
JOHNSON PUT ON THE ROAD. 
          I MEAN, I USED TO COUNT A HUNDRED CARS JUST GOING PAST MY HOUSE ON,
YOU KNOW, FRIDAY, THURSDAY AFTERNOONS AT 4:00. 
          SO JOHNSON AND JOHNSON WASN'T PERFECT. I MEAN,
BUT I WISH WE COULD GO BACK TO THOSE TIMES, BUT WE CAN'T. SO SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN. AND I GUESS,
GIVEN WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN AND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN UNDER, I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE PLAN. I MEAN, MY NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR THAT. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE WHAT CHOICE WE HAVE. THE PLAN,
THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES IN YOUR DOCUMENT YOU HANDED OUT TODAY HAS THINGS LIKE PRESERVING OPEN SPACE. IT HAS RECOGNIZING FLEXIBILITY AND THE ABILITY TO CHANGE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THE MARKETPLACE, THE REAL ESTATE MARKETPLACE WILL LIKELY CHANGE. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY START TO LOOK AT THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD AN CAN VIEW,
FOR INSTANCE, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO AND IT COSTS THE INFRASTRUCTURE,
COSTS THE WATER LINE. 
          I MEAN, LIKE ONE OF THE GUYS IN THE FIREHOUSE SAYS IT'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH WATER TO SUPPORT A
FIRE FIGHTING THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BECOME COST THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABSORBED. 
          PROBABLY, I WOULD ASSUME, BY THE DEVELOPER AT THAT POINT,
YOU KNOW, AND THE SEWER LINES ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED. 
          J AND J'S PLANTS WILL GO TO, I GUESS, ROCK BROOK OR WHEREVER THE THING IS. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF EXPENSES THERE. SO THE WHOLE MARKET COULD FALL OUT FOR WHAT
THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO. 
          SO I LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY. I MEAN, I, I PERSONALLY THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A
LIGHT MANUFACTURING THING THERE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO DO THAT AND IT MAY OR MAY
NOT BE FEASIBLE. 
          SO I GUESS RECOGNIZING THAT YOU'RE SORT OF STUCK WITH A PLAN AND YOU HAVE TO GET SOMETHING
DONE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH NOW IS REASONABLE TO SUBMIT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT ANOTHER THREE MINUTES? I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT BARBARA BANNING. 
          BARBARA. THAT'S THE LAST PERSON ON OUR COMMENT LIST. 
          OKAY. BARBARA BANNING. YES. I AGREE TO BE SAFE. 
          TRUTH. OKAY. SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMMENTS IN GENERAL. 
          WE HAVE THE PROPERTY THAT KEN VIEW IS ON. BUT MY CONCERN IS WHAT ABOUT ALSO THE PROPERTIES
ACROSS THE STREET THAT ARE IS OWNED BY THEM. 
          WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THEM? AND THEN TO THINK ABOUT NOW? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. BUT THINK ABOUT IF
WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE NEXT PROPERTY? SO THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. 
          [01:10:06]
SO. WE ALSO GET NOTIFICATION WITH WITHIN 200FT OF A PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? J AND J IS SO BIG,
NONE OF US FIT IN THAT. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO. FOR THE RECORD, J AND J DOES NOT OWN THAT LAND,
AND THEY ARE TOTALLY INDEPENDENT COMPANY. 
          AND AND WE HAVE A J AND J EMPLOYEE I BELIEVE,
OR FORMER WHATEVER IT IS I'M USED TO, IT IS IT IS NOT IT IS NOT J CAN VIEW. 
          YES. THANK YOU. POINT BEING IS THAT THERE'S NOBODY THAT REALLY LIVES WITHIN 200FT OF IT
BECAUSE IT'S IT'S OWN PROPERTY. 
          AND WE HAVE AND THIS BRINGS UP THE NEXT POINT. 
          WE'RE TEN ACRE MOUNTAIN RURAL WHICH HOW ARE WE GOING TO? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANOTHER? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. 
          VARIANCE FOR THAT TEN ACRE MOUNTAIN RURAL I MEAN THESE ARE. 
          THESE ARE WHY I MOVED. I MOVED BECAUSE I WANTED THE TEN ACRE MOUNTAIN RURAL. 
          I WANTED THE AREA. I'M NOT MAKING YOU THINK ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT LAUREN IS SAYING. WE LOVE WHERE WE LIVE. 
          WE LOVE THE BEAUTY. WE LOVE THE ANIMALS. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THAT. 
          THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PLACE I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S NO PLACE IN IN MONTGOMERY
THAT CAN SUPPORT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. THERE IS ONE OTHER PERSON. 
          CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN. YES. JERRY SAID THERE IS ONE OTHER PERSON. 
          I'M SORRY. OKAY. 
          HEY, MY NAME IS JAY. FULL NAME IS JAY. 1121 BRAEBURN DRIVE. 
          SO THESE. THESE WERE FROM NASA. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'LL START OFF SAYING I'M NOT AGAINST THE AFFORDABLE UNITS HERE. 
          WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENTS OF EVERYONE WHO
CAME AND ACKNOWLEDGED MOST OF THE COMMENTS WHAT THEY MADE. 
          AND I'M WITH THEM. AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THE BOARD OR CHAIR MADE,
LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE APPRECIATING MAKING THE LEMON OF LEMONADE OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? BUT WE ARE NOT. OR WE ARE AT A JUNCTURE TO DECIDE NOT TO TAKE THE ROTTEN LEMONS
LIKE THE BUILDERS OR ANYONE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LEMONADE STAND IS NOW NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS OUR TOWNSHIP. 
          RIGHT. SO FOR THAT, WHAT DID OUR TOWNSHIP DO TO DO A CONDUCT PROPER STUDY IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC, SCHOOL CAPACITY,
COST TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY SERVICES LIKE. 
          POLICE. FIRE. MEDICAL. WATER. STORM LIMITS. SEWAGE LIMITS. 
          ALL THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS. THAT'S GOING TO COME FOR THAT. WHAT SERIOUS WE HAVE DONE AND
WHAT HOW MUCH OF IT WE ARE PASSING TO THOSE BUILDERS AND WHAT HOW MUCH IS NOT IMPACTING THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL TENANTS. OR IT COULD BE THE OWNERS THAT OUR PROPERTY TAX IS NOT
GOING TO INCREASE. 
          HOW DID WE MITIGATE THAT? CAN ANYONE ANSWER THAT? UNTIL WE HAVE AN APPLICATION BEFORE US, THAT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE COST,
EVERY SINGLE VARIANCE, EVERY THAT'S WHEN WE LOOK AT IT THAT THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. 
          OKAY, I HEARD THE SAME. SO IF YOU GIVE THE APPLICATION FORGET MY IGNORANCE IN TERMS OF
THIS PROCESS. 
          SO IF YOU GIVE THE APPLICATION THAT MEANS WE GAVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE BUILDER THAT THEY
CAN GO AHEAD. 
          NO. THEY HAVE TO APPLY AND COME BEFORE US LIKE EVERY OTHER BUILDER IN IN THIS TOWNSHIP HAS
DONE SINCE THE BEGINNING. 
          AND THEY'RE TREATED LIKE EVERY OTHER BUILDER,
AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE STUDIES YOU WERE MENTIONING. 
          THE TRAFFIC. YEAH, THEY PAY FOR ALL THAT. THEY PAY FOR ALL THE STUDIES. 
          YEAH, BUT THEY PAY FOR THAT STUDY ONLY. BUT THE LONG TERM IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE INCREASE
TO THE SCHOOL COSTS, THE LONG TERM IMPACT TO INCREASE OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICES IMPACT TO THE TRAFFIC,
THEY DON'T PAY FOR THAT. 
          WELL, THOSE WILL BE CONSIDERED ONCE THEY BRING THE APPLICATIONS BEFORE ZONING PLANNING. 
          SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME AND THE CREATION OF THE PLAN THAT WE'RE
THAT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. 
          THOSE WERE ALSO CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THE PROPOSALS IN THE PLAN. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ADDRESSED IN THE PLAN AND FOCUSED ON. 
          AND THEN EVEN STILL, ONCE THIS PLAN IS VOTED ON OR APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED. 
          THERE IS STILL THE PROCESS OF PLANNING ZONING THAT THEY MUST COME BEFORE US WITH AN
APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. AND IT IS YOU KNOW, IT'S THE HOPE. AND HOPE'S NOT A STRATEGY,
I GET IT, BUT ANY TAX REVENUE THAT IS GENERATED FROM A DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME WOULD PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED. 
          [01:15:06]
AND WE'RE AT THREE MINUTES AND I THERE STILL ARE OTHER FOLKS THAT WANT TO JUMP UP. 
          I'LL GET THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS. RIGHT. SO WHEN WE SAY THAT IN TERMS OF OUR HOPE
CONVERTING OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT IN TERMS OF THE REVENUE THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE,
IT'S MORE THAN THE MILLION DOLLARS. 
          I HEARD IN THE COMMENTS SAYING THAT WHAT THE BUILDER IS GIVING TO DO THE ASSESSMENT. 
          RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE POTENTIAL REVENUE MAKERS,
AND WE ARE LOSING THOSE IN TERMS OF NOT MAKING THOSE. 
          RIGHT. IN TERMS OF WHEN WE SAY THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS RIGHT NOW BECOMING AN EYESORE OR
WHATEVER THE COMMENTS I'VE BEEN HEARING, BUT HAD BEEN THIS IN MANHATTAN 90S, RIGHT. IF THEY ARE SHUT DOWN MANHATTAN SAYING THAT
IT'S BECOME AN EYESORE, IT WON'T MAKE THIS REVENUE. SAME THING IN TERMS OF DURING THE COVID,
IF THEY SHUT DOWN ANY CITIES, THEY WON'T BE FUTURE REVENUE. SO WE HAVE LIMITED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          AND WHICH COULD BE YOU NEVER KNOW IF YOU GO TO WESTMINSTER,
IF YOU GO TO PLAINSBORO, THEM LEAVING THEIR TOWNSHIPS BECAUSE OF THEIR POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL REVENUES. SIR, I HAVE TO STOP YOU BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL OTHER PEOPLE THAT
WANT TO SPEAK. 
          I APOLOGIZE, I'LL MAKE BEFORE I GO. THEN DID OUR TOWNSHIP NEGOTIATE,
OR IS THERE A PLAN TO NEGOTIATE TO OUR THE FUTURE BUILDERS? WHOEVER IT IS, IF IT'S NOT WHO IT IS LIKE IN TERMS OF WHAT BENEFITS WE NEED TO TAKE FROM
THEM IN TERMS OF LIKE I SAID, ONE TIME PROPOSAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, INSTEAD OF THEY PAYING TAXES. RIGHT. THEY NEED
TO HOW MUCH OF IT THEY'RE BRINGING AS A COMMITMENT TO BUILD THIS TO OR CONTRIBUTE TO THIS TOWNSHIP. EVERY PROPOSAL IS LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT'S NEEDED FOR
SIDEWALKS, RECREATION, ANYTHING. EACH PROPOSAL IS LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          SO OKAY, I'LL END WITH A COMMENT. THAT'S SAYING THAT THIS IS FIRST AND WHY. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. SOMEBODY A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE MADE. 
          IT'S NOT IN THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP VERSUS I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS NOT. 
          AND I FEEL IT'S NOT BEING TRANSPARENT WHEN IT'S NOT IN THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP WHERE MOST
OF THE RESIDENTS READ THAT PAPER. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION. 
          AND I'M SORRY. I WILL LEAVE, BUT BY THE WAY,
WE HAVE DID YOU DID FOLKS SIGN UP FOR COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? COME ON UP. DO YOU? YOU HAD SIGNED UP AS WELL. 
          HOW DO YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? YES. OKAY. I CALLED YOUR NAME,
BUDDY. 
          I WAS JUST. 23. I MEAN, FIVE BRAEBURN DRIVE,
SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY. 
          AND THANK YOU. I HAVE ONLY ONE COMMENT. YOU ALREADY HAVE,
LIKE, YOU KNOW RIGHT ACROSS HERE, THE AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY. WHAT IS THE RATIONALE TO BRING IN SOME OTHER BUILDER LIKE YOU? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASON IS, BUT THEY WANTED TO JUST BASICALLY MAKE IT SO DENSE WITH
THE PEOPLE LIVING ON OR LIVING OVER HERE. 
          AND WHY NOT SOME OTHER SITES? RIGHT. THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANSWERS, PLEASE DO. OTHERWISE,
PLEASE OPPOSE THAT. 
          AND I OPPOSE AND EVERYBODY OPPOSE THAT BECAUSE IT IS NEXT TO NO. 
          23 ORCHARD AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO 2 OR 6,
YOU KNOW, SINCE MORNING FROM 7 TO 930, 10:00, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ONE MILE, IT TAKES LIKE TEN 15 MINUTES MINIMUM,
BARE MINIMUM AND A GOOD DAY. 
          AND IF YOU IF YOU ADD LIKE, YOU KNOW, 400 PEOPLE OUT THERE,
400 PEOPLE OUT THERE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. AND ANOTHER PROBLEM I HAVE MAYOR KNOWS ABOUT IT. 
          I RAISED IN MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WHEN THESE THIS COMMUNITY WAS BUILT IN. 
          THERE IS NO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE COME OVER TO MONTGOMERY FOR STUDIES, NOT TO PAY TAXES. WE PAY A LOT OF TAXES HERE IN MONTGOMERY,
RIGHT? WE PAY TAXES LIKE, YOU KNOW, 110 HOMES BUILT. 
          NOT EVEN A SINGLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS TEN BY TEN AREA TO PLAY KIDS OUT THERE,
LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL YOU EXPECT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP TO APPROVE THOSE? KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOWNSHIPS, I MEAN, COMMUNITIES. 
          THAT'S RIDICULOUS. HONESTLY, AND I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO MAKE ANY MORE MISTAKES OF THAT. 
          THAT SORT. UNDERSTOOD. PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I APOLOGIZE. I WASN'T HERE MONDAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A SIGN UP TO SPEAK OR WE DIDN'T
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          COME ON, COME ON. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE SIGN. 
          I SOLEMNLY SWEAR. MY NAME IS MICHELLE PARIS. 325 DUTCH TOWN. 
          THANK YOU. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THE LATE 1800S. 
          [01:20:04]
MY GRANDPARENTS. MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS. I WAS RAISED ON CAMP MEETING AVENUE. 
          I WENT THROUGH THE MONTGOMERY SCHOOL DISTRICT. MY CHILDREN DID. 
          I REMEMBER BACK IN 2006, 2007, ROUGHLY WHEN A DEVELOPMENT OF SCUM AND VILLAGE WAS GOING TO
BE THIS GRANDIOSE THING THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE MONTGOMERY GREAT. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROWN IN THERE. 
          WE WERE GOING TO HAVE RESTAURANTS THROWN IN THERE. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE LAKESIDE BOATS
GOING THROUGH THERE. THEY, MEANING THE TOWNSHIP, GAVE THE COMMUNITY THE RESPECT OF TOWN HALLS AND WAY ADVANCE NOTICE
OF EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON. 
          THEY HAD TOWN HALLS IN THE DAYTIME. THEY HAD TOWN HALLS AT THE NIGHTTIME. 
          THEY HAD TOWN HALLS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN,
ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. MULTIPLE. MULTIPLE. 
          MULTIPLE. SO, RESPECTFULLY, YOU'RE MANDATED. YOU HAD TIME TO LET US KNOW. 
          AND YOU DIDN'T. YOU FAILED THE COMMUNITY BY NOT LETTING THESE PEOPLE KNOW. 
          I HAVE LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE. I KNOW THESE ROADS LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND. 
          AND I CAN DRIVE ON WITH MY EYES CLOSED. HOW MANY OF YOU GONE UP ON THAT MOUNTAIN AND
DRIVEN AROUND? YOU HAVE A ONE LANE BRIDGE ON CAMP MEETING AVENUE. 
          YOU HAVE A ONE LANE BRIDGE ON GRANDVIEW ROAD. 
          YOU HAVE A ONE LANE BRIDGE ON DUTCHTOWN ROAD. 
          SO AS ALL OF YOUR TRAFFIC FOR YOUR CAN VIEW PROPERTY,
THAT'S GOING TO BE TRANSFORMED. 
          ALL GOING TO BE PUSHED OUT TO 601 BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR ONLY OPTION. 
          FAIRVIEW ROAD FAIRVIEW ROAD HAS AN S BEND. ARE YOU GOING TO STRAIGHTEN IT AND DRIVE IT
THROUGH TO CAMP MEETING? YOU'RE YOU'RE WHEN I THINK OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE OF NOT BEING NOTIFIED,
YOU ABSOLUTELY HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO NOTIFY US. THE WORD DISCUSSED. I'M I'M SO HURT BY WHAT THE COMMUNITY,
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DONE HERE BY JUST SIMPLY NOT GIVING US RESPECT. MERIT SAYING YOU KNOW HOW TO ADVERTISE. YOU'RE IN REAL ESTATE. 
          YOU'RE IN MARKETING. MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM, LET US ALL KNOW. 
          MA'AM, I FOUND YOU ACCOUNTABLE. I HAVE ASKED EVERYONE TO BE RESPECTFUL. 
          CALM. HAVE A DISCUSSION, PLEASE. AND ME COMING UP BECAUSE I'M VERY DIRECT. 
          I'M NOT YELLING. I'M TALKING LOUD. AND FORGIVE ME FOR ANYONE THINKING OTHERWISE. 
          WELL, I NEED YOU TO HEAR ME. I'M FROM BROOKLYN. 
          I'M FROM BROOKLYN, AND I TRY VERY HARD TO KEEP IT DOWN. 
          BRING IT DOWN. BUT I PERSONALLY FEEL THIS IS A DONE DEAL. 
          AND I PERSONALLY FEEL NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY. WHOEVER IS GOING TO PUSH THIS THROUGH. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I THINK WITHOUT LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS IN MONTGOMERY CAN
VIEW YOU HAVE IT IN A RURAL SETTING. 
          TRANSPORTATION AGAIN. YOU HAVE AN EMPTY MUNICIPAL BUILDING. 
          THIS STUFF IS REDUNDANT. YOU'VE HEARD THIS ALL. 
          TIME AND TIME AGAIN. WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN LOOKED AT FURTHER AND CONSIDERED? BUT YOU ARE ON A TIMESTAMP WHERE THE COMMUNITY ARE JUST HEARING ABOUT IT. 
          THINK HOW WE FEEL. THINK HOW WE FEEL. IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          AND I CHALLENGE YOU. GO UP MY ROAD. GO UP MY ROAD. 
          PLEASE COME UP DUTCHTOWN ROAD. LOOK HOW WINDY AND LOOK HOW NARROW THAT ROAD IS. 
          AND AT THE END OF MY ROAD, IT'S A DIRT ROAD. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MONTGOMERY DOESN'T WANT TO PAVE IT AND HILLSBORO DOESN'T WANT TO PAVE IT. SO WE
HAVE A DIRT ROAD AT THE END OF OUR STREET. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN UP THERE? HAVE YOU EVER VENTURED THERE? YES, YES. THANK YOU. 
          MY MY DAUGHTER. AND YOU KNOW, THEN YOU KNOW,
THE CAPABILITY OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING AT CAN VIEW THE ROADS WILL NOT SUPPORT IT. PERIOD. PERIOD. THANK THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. SO I HEAR MY THREE MINUTES ARE UP. 
          I'M GOING TO GO SEE MY GRANDDAUGHTER BEFORE SHE GOES TO CHOP TOMORROW IN PHILADELPHIA. SO
EVERYONE SAY A PRAYER FOR HER. 
          I FELT THIS MOVE THAT I HAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN SOMEONE'S LIFE. 
          AND YOU GUYS BETTER START THINKING ABOUT YOUR YOUR COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF YOURSELVES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO CAME WHO WAS NOT HERE ON MONDAY NIGHT,
AND SHE WON. 
          YES. THAT'S FINE. COME ON UP. MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY MORE. 
          HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING BECAUSE I'VE SEEN,
LIKE, A LOT OF HANDS. 
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YEAH. SO I JUST I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD,
I DO HAVE TO LEAVE BY 640. 
          OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO AN AUDIBLE HERE. OKAY. 
          IT IS 625. CAN I ASK YOU TO SIT FOR THROUGH THE BOARD DISCUSSION? AND THEN BEFORE ANY VOTE, I WILL COME BACK FOR COMMENTS. 
          IS THAT GOOD? IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? IS THAT OKAY? JUST ONE POINT TO ASK. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IT WILL BE. IT WILL BE. I WANTED TO SPEAK FROM THE HEART FIRST AND ONE THING
LATER, BUT ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO JUST ASK. WE NEED TO DO THIS. 
          WE HAVE TO DO THIS. SO. NO NO, NO. WE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BOARD DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR OUR ATTORNEY PRESENT. 
          SHE HAS TO LEAVE. WE WILL THEN REENGAGE. AND YOU CAN HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS LATER. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO DO THIS NOW. SO YEAH. OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF BOARD DISCUSSION,
WENDY, I HAVE A I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I DID SEE TODAY THAT HILLSBOROUGH GOT A NUMBER,
GOT A NUMBER REDUCED FOR THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          ARE YOU BEFORE YOU ALL CLAP. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS. 
          CAN YOU CAN YOU AT LEAST EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT THAT WAS? YES. SO HILLSBOROUGH DID WHAT IS CALLED A VACANT LAND ANALYSIS. 
          SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY DID A SURVEY OF OF LAND,
AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE LAND CAPACITY FACTOR. 
          AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT WE TRY TO BE RATIONAL HERE. 
          THIS IS NOT RATIONAL LAW FROM THE STATE. THE WAY THE LAND CAPACITY IS NOT THE SAME
CRITERIA. 
          HEY, WENDY. WENDY, CAN I ASK YOU TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR ME? FOR ME, PLEASE? SO WHAT IT IS, IS A SURVEY OF OF WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP. 
          THEY THEN LOOK AT THAT LAND AND GO SOMEWHERE OF LIKE EIGHT UNITS GENERALLY ON AVERAGE TO
THE ACRE, AND THEN TAKE 20% OF THAT AND SAY THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD BASED ON WHAT IS
ACTUALLY NOT BUILT. 
          AND WHO SAYS WHO SAYS THAT? THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THROUGH THEIR PLANNER IN THEIR
PLAN. 
          OKAY. THAT WILL HAVE TO GET APPROVED BY THE STATE THAT THAT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THEY HAD A VACANT LAND IN THE THIRD ROUND. 
          SO MORE THAN LIKELY THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NEW VACANT LAND EITHER. 
          OKAY, SO WHILE THE HEADLINE MISLEADINGLY SAYS THAT THEY DID A REDUCTION IN THEIR
OBLIGATION, THEY DID NOT. THE REMAINING PORTION FOLLOWS YOU LIKE AN ALBATROSS,
AND IT'S WHAT IS REFERRED TO IN THE STATE AS THE UNMET NEED. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAD A CAN VIEW SITE THAT HAD AN OPERATING BUSINESS THAT IS ABOUT
TO CLOSE, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO REOPEN TO CONSIDER THAT CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCE TO ALLOW IT FOR
HOUSING BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT UNMET NEED. 
          OKAY. SO THE NUMBER THAT THEY APPROVED FOR THEMSELVES DOES NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE STATE
SAYS THEIR NUMBER IS. 
          THEIR OBLIGATION HAS NOT CHANGED. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WENDY? JUST A CLARIFICATION QUESTION. 
          SO THE WHAT WE'RE AWARDING HERE TODAY JUST SAY IS THAT THIS IS A PLAN. 
          THAT WOULD BE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING, THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING TO THE STATE WHICH THEN CAN
PASS IF CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, COULD POSSIBLY CHANGE AS WELL. COULD BE AMENDED. 
          SO SHOULD CIRCUMSTANCES PROVE THAT SOMETHING IS NOT BUILDABLE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT IS A MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT. 
          IT'S WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS A LIVING DOCUMENT. AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE 100,000FT. 
          LOOKED DOWN THE SAME WAY. YOU HAVE A ROAD TRAFFIC MASTER PLAN OF OF THINGS,
OF WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE NEW ROADS, ETC. IT'S THE SAME IDEA. IT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT OF THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN. 
          JUST LIKE YOUR OPEN SPACE PLAN, JUST YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE
PLAN. 
          SO IT IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT. THERE ARE NO APPROVALS THAT ARE GIVEN WITH THIS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY FEEL IT'S A DONE DEAL,
BUT THIS IS NOTHING THAT DOES NOT STOP ANY OTHER PROCESS OF A DEVELOPER HAVING TO COME IN FOR APPROVALS, SHOW TRAFFIC STUDIES, ETC., ETC. 
          AND WENDY, AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LOVE TO TAKE PROPERTIES LIKE THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND
HAVE SOMEONE COME IN, WHATEVER. I MEAN, IT HAS TO START WITH A BUILDER'S INTEREST THAT,
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE JUST CAN'T SAY, OH, BUILD SOMETHING HERE. SO I DO HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EXCEPTION TO PEOPLE SAYING
THAT IT'S NOT WELL THOUGHT OF, BECAUSE THE FIRST STEP WAS TO LOOK AT USING WHATEVER MONETARY RESOURCES WE HAD TO EXTEND
CONTROLS TO NOT PUT ADDITIONAL POPULATION INTO THE TOWN. SO TO KEEP THE UNITS WE ALREADY HAVE, THERE IS A BALANCE THAT HAS TO BE MADE WITH
HOW YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY. 
          100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO SUPPORT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY IN YOUR TRUST FUND AS OF NOW,
WHICH MEANS THAT THE MUNICIPALITY WOULD NEED TO BOND FOR IT AND ALL THE TAXPAYERS WOULD BE CARRYING THAT BURDEN. SO IN A 100% AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT,
WE WOULD HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CORRECT COSTS AND WHAT GENERATE THAT IS. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DO HAVE A MUNICIPALITY,
TWO MUNICIPALLY SPONSORED, 100% AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY IN MONTGOMERY. 
          [01:30:08]
ONE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR SENIORS. AND AND ONE IS AT HARTWICK. 
          OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WENDY? YEAH. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OTHER THINGS WERE
CONSIDERED BESIDES THIS. 
          I STILL HAVEN'T HAD MY QUESTION ANSWERED. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT,
THAT WE'RE BEING PRESENTED AND AND IS ARE SUCH THINGS LIKE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS OTHER TYPES OF SPOT ZONE, LEGAL ZONING. SO IT'S THAT LEGAL SPOT ZONING. 
          LEGAL SPOT ZONING OTHER CHANGES TO ZONING ORDINANCE IN GENERAL TO PROMOTE THE THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          WAS THAT CONSIDERED? WHY I DO NOT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE STATE THINKS IT'S IT'S A GOOD
IDEA TO HAVE SUCH A LIMITED TIMELINE TO TRY TO CREATE A PLAN OVER TEN YEARS WHEN WITH,
WITH DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE NOW THE IF NOT, THEY CERTAINLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND AND ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF BRIBERY WHEN
IT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. 
          WHY, WHY? WHY DOES THE STATE HAVE. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BRIBERY COMMENT BECAUSE I
SAID THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE THE APPEARANCE. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT UTILIZING THE MONIES TO EXTEND CONTROLS HELPED BRING
DOWN THE DENSITY OF THAT SITE. 
          WHAT WAS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY, IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER AND NEGOTIATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS
HAD STARTED TO SAY, WELL, BASICALLY ANYBODY THAT COMES IN, THEY WANT TO BE ON YOUR DANCE CARD,
RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPERS WHO GIVE YOU THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK,
SO TO SPEAK, OR THE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO WITH RESPECT TO KEN VIEW,
WE WERE ABLE TO FURTHER REDUCE THE DENSITY AND GET MORE OF A SET ASIDE PER SE BECAUSE THEY ARE GIVING THAT MONEY TO EXTEND THE CONTROLS. 
          AND NOW THAT'S MONEY THAT THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE TO PUT FORTH IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE
NUMBERS. 
          SO BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, IN A VACANT LAND ANALYSIS,
YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY EIGHT, IF NOT MORE, UNITS PER ACRE ON A SITE FOR DENSITY. THE CAN VIEW PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW ON THE BUILDABLE
PORTION, NOT EVEN THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE, JUST THE THE SITE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING ON IS
APPROXIMATELY 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          SO IT IS NOT A DENSE PROPOSAL. AND THE OTHER PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET AND ON THE
PERIMETER AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP 125 126 ACRES. SO IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL DOWNSIZING OF WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE WITH THEIR
PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT IS WHY THAT PROPOSAL MADE IT FORWARD TO YOU. 
          THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS HAS HISTORICALLY NEVER PRODUCED A UNIT IN ANY TOWN I'VE BEEN
IN. 
          IT'S USUALLY USED AS A VACANT LAND TYPE OF MECHANISM TO OFFSET UNMET NEED. 
          IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DESIRABLE FOR FOR PEOPLE,
BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A UNIT AND YOU CAN BRING IN YOUR MOTHER IN LAW, SOMEBODY YOU KNOW THAT THAT HAS IT. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE OF WHO MOVES INTO YOUR PROPERTY. 
          IT HAS TO BE AFFIRMATIVELY MARKETED AND ISSUED THROUGH A LOTTERY SYSTEM,
SO IT HAS NOT PRODUCED ANY UNITS IN ANY OF MY UNMET NEED TOWNS. 
          IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE FOR A TOWN THAT HAS THE LAND TO PROVIDE
THE SPACE. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT IS A MECHANISM THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU OPEN TO AN OBJECTION AND A
CHALLENGE. 
          I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR. THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WITH THIS QUESTION. 
          OKAY. COME ON. I'M GOING TO CUT YOU OFF IF IT'S NOT JUST ONE QUESTION. 
          SO YOU NEED TO COME UP HERE, BE SWORN IN AND ASK ONE QUESTION. 
          AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN HERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. 
          MA'AM, CAN WE HAVE YOUR NAME? AND I LIVE IN 14 FIVE EASTRIDGE ROAD,
SKILLMAN. 
          ALL RIGHTY. AND DO YOU SWEAR, MA'AM? YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM? ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES. 
          THANK YOU. UNDER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM. 
          DOES THE TOWNSHIP RETAIN THE OPTION TO AMEND THE PLAN AND OMIT THE CAN USE SITE IF MORE
SUITABLE, LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE OR LESS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE SITES ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE
STATUTORY TIMELINE? THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. WITHIN THE STATUTORY TIMELINE IS THE ADOPTION OF A PLAN BY
JUNE 30TH IN ORDER TO RETAIN IMMUNITY. 
          THE PLAN THE STATUTE ACTUALLY REQUIRES A LOOKBACK DURING THE TERM OF THE THE TEN YEAR
PERIOD, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE SITES ARE STILL SUITABLE AND STILL BUILDABLE. 
          IF YOU FIND THAT IT'S NOT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND IT AND SWAP IT OUT WITH ANOTHER PLAN,
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          MOREOVER, THE STATUTE ALSO PROVIDES THAT IF YOU MEET YOUR OBLIGATION,
YOU CAN AMEND AND REZONE SOMETHING BACK TO NOT HAVE HOUSING IF THOSE UNITS WERE AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO SO NOT MA'AM, JUST ONE QUESTION SO YOU CAN COME BACK UP,
I PROMISE, I PROMISE I DO. 
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BUT YES, YOU CAN AMEND PLANS FOR THE UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXTENDED. 
          HOW LONG IS THAT ALSO? 30 YEARS. IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE STATUTE WOULD
REQUIRE FOR A NEW UNIT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE 40 YEARS FOR RENTALS OR 30 YEARS FOR FOR SALE UNITS. 
          AND THAT'S ON EXTENSIONS. THOSE ARE ON EXTENSIONS AS WELL AS NEW UNITS. 
          THE EXTENSIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY CONSIDERED AS A NEW UNIT BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE
EXPIRED. 
          AND HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING FOR THE EXTENSIONS LIKE PER UNIT COMPARED TO LIKE IF
YOU WERE TO BUILD BRAND NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IT'S OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO TO BUILD BRAND NEW THAN IT IS TO PAY FOR AN
EXTENSION. 
          I MEAN, A FRACTION. I THINK A BUILDABLE UNIT HAS GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE IN 100 TO 200,000
COST. 
          AND HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE TO 15 TO 20,
DEPENDING ON THE TYPE FOR RENTAL UNIT TO 17,500 AND FOR FOR SALE UNIT, IT'S 20,000 PER UNIT. OKAY. NINA? YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP SOMETHING ABOUT 23 ORCHARD. 
          ACTUALLY, BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. 
          WE ARE THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE, BUT WE ARE NOT DICTATORS HERE. 
          WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE LAW IS. AND WE LISTEN TO PROFESSIONALS AS IT'S BEEN
BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES. 
          YES, I AM A REALTOR. I DO SELL HOMES, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOWNSHIP. 
          THAT'S MY FULL TIME JOB. BUT THIS IS MY PASSION. 
          I WANT TO GIVE BACK TO THE TOWN WHERE I'VE LIVED FOR 27 YEARS,
WHERE I WAS A BOY SCOUT MOM, A GIRL SCOUT MOM, A PTA LEADER. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE NOT
PROFESSIONALS WHO DO THIS FULL TIME. 
          I DON'T NEITHER DOES ANYBODY ON THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. 
          NEITHER DOES ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN THEY ADVISED US,
IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS, YOU WILL BE IN LAWSUITS. 
          YOU WILL LOSE YOUR IMMUNITY. THEN WE HAVE TO LISTEN,
RIGHT? I MEAN, COME ON. IF BUILDERS CAME AND SUED US. 
          WHICH PUT YOU ON THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY, RIGHT? MY MONEY. BECAUSE I LIVE HERE. 
          HER MONEY. EVERYBODY'S MONEY. THEN YOU'D BE LIKE,
WHAT DID YOU GUYS DO? I'M PAYING HIGH TAXES. AND PLEASE, SOMEONE CHECK SOUTH BRUNSWICK. 
          WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH. THEY WERE IN LAWSUITS SO MUCH. 
          EXCUSE ME, SIR. GIVE ME A MOMENT. GIVE ME A MOMENT. 
          EVERYBODY HAS SAID A LOT. JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT. 
          RIGHT. AND I MAY NOT BE FROM BROOKLYN OR FROM NEW JERSEY,
BUT I'M FROM INDIA, AND I CAN SPEAK. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE IS
DOING AND THE MAYOR IS APPOINTED. 
          RIGHT. I AM WITH THEM. WE ARE ALL EQUALS. WE ARE FIVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAT HOURS TRYING TO
UNDERSTAND HOW CAN WE GET OUT OF THIS? AND WE WERE TOLD, YOU CAN'T. I HAVE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO BUILD EVEN ONE OF THESE HOMES. 
          I'M NOT DOING IT. I LOVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IDEA,
BUT IT'S NOT HELPING OUR TOWN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I SIT ON 206 AND I'M STUCK THERE FOR 20 MINUTES. 
          SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BUT I AM TOLD AND THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE IS TOLD,
IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS, YOU LOSE YOUR IMMUNITY. ALL THE BUILDERS. AND BY THE WAY,
I'M JUST A REALTOR. 
          I'M NOT A DEVELOPER AND I'M NOT AN INVESTOR. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW,
RIGHT? I LIVE IN THIS TOWN IN A SMALL HOUSE. I'M NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON WHO'S A DEVELOPER,
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU PEOPLE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING I FEEL PASSIONATELY, BUT I. 
          I CAN'T SAY NO AT THAT THOUGHT SITTING HERE OR DAVE CAMPOS OR PAUL BLODGETT,
WE ARE TOLD YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS. 
          OTHERWISE YOU LOSE YOUR IMMUNITY. DEVELOPERS WILL SUE YOU. 
          THAT'S YOUR MONEY. MY MONEY? TAXPAYERS MONEY. 
          AND ON TOP OF THAT, THEY CAN BUILD WHEREVER YOU WILL HAVE NO CONTROL. 
          THERE'LL BE NO ZONING CONTROL BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ON IT. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TOWNSHIP UNDERSTANDS. 
          I HAVE SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO? SO I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHO SAID,
WHY ARE YOU GUYS NOT FIGHTING? THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE IS GOING TO LOOK AT A RESOLUTION,
WHICH ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS RESOLUTION AND WE ARE GOING TO JOIN THE FIGHT THAT YOU'VE ALL ASKED US. WE HAVE TO PASS THIS BECAUSE WE CANNOT LOSE OUR IMMUNITY,
PEOPLE, BUT WE WILL JOIN THE FIGHT WITH THE OTHER TOWNS. 
          AND THAT'S A COMMITMENT TO YOU ALL. WE WILL BE FIGHTING. 
          SO I HOPE THAT SATISFIES THAT. THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE,
23 ORCHARD IS STILL GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL. 
          IT IS OUR NEW INNOVATION HUB THAT YOU'RE NOT LOSING THAT BUILDING. 
          THE REASON THE OTHER DEVELOPER IS COMING IS BECAUSE HE'S PUTTING MONEY THERE TO MAKE IT
LIKE A HELIX IN NEW BRUNSWICK. 
          SO THAT IS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM. 
          AS FAR AS CANVEY IS CONCERNED. THAT WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. 
          THAT'S A DEVELOPER. HE'S COMING IN. WE CAN OBVIOUSLY SAY NO TO HIM. 
          THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE. THEY HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES. 
          SOMETHING ELSE BETTER COMES UP. MONTGOMERY, THE OLD BUILDING THAT HAS COME UP MANY TIMES. 
          THAT'S A QUESTION WE ASKED. WHY NOT DO 100% THERE? THEY SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE MONEY? IF YOU BOND, YOUR TAXPAYERS TAXES WILL GO UP. 
          [01:40:01]
SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU DO NOT THINK THAT WE ARE JUST SITTING HERE. 
          WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS, BELIEVE ME, AND WE FEEL PASSIONATELY ABOUT THIS TOWN I HAVE. 
          THIS IS MY KID'S HOMETOWN. I MAY NOT BE FROM HERE. 
          I MAY BE AN IMMIGRANT, BUT THIS IS WHERE MY KIDS WERE BORN AND THIS IS WHERE THEY GREW UP.
THIS IS WHERE THEY WENT TO SCHOOL. SO I REALLY DO CARE. 
          I'M SORRY I GOT EMOTIONAL. I WILL STOP AT THIS POINT,
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANKS, DANA. NOPE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO AS FAR AS BEING A PART OF ADDED TO THE PLAN,
DO THEY HAVE AND WE LOSE IMMUNITY, LET'S SAY IF WE DECLINE THE PLAN AND CAN VIEW IS PART OF THE PLAN,
RIGHT. 
          DOES CAN YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN TERMS OF LAWSUITS THAT THEY COULD
LEVY AGAINST THE CITY OR AGAINST MONTGOMERY. 
          IF WE DECIDE WE DO NOT WANT, CAN YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE WE IF WE FAIL OR IF THE PLAN IS NOT
APPROVED? RIGHT. SO EVENTUALLY, LIKE, IF THE PLAN IS NOT APPROVED,
WE THEN HAVE THEN WE'RE, WE'RE SUBJECT TO LAWSUITS FROM NOT ONLY FROM CAN YOU FROM BUT FROM ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS A LARGE ENOUGH PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT,
YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHERE IT IS. 
          RIGHT. THAT ONE. CAN YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN THAT? BECAUSE THEY ARE A PART OF THE PLAN AS IT WAS PRESENTED? NO, NO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, TO BE CAREFUL IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE YOU KNOW,
EVERYONE HAS HEARD WHAT HAPPENED IN ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS. 
          THERE WAS UNILEVER WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. THEY CAME IN TO TRY TO GET INTO THE PLAN. 
          THE PLAN WAS PROPOSED AT A LOWER DENSITY. THE BOROUGH COUNCIL VOTED IT DOWN,
DID NOT INCLUDE THEM. 
          THEY TOOK THEM TO COURT AND THEY ENDED UP LOSING THEIR IMMUNITY. 
          THEY ENDED UP LOSING THEIR ZONING AND IN THE COURT APPROVED OR DIRECTED PLAN,
THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT GOT SUBSTANTIALLY BIGGER. 
          SO SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WEIGHED AS WELL. 
          THAT WAS BECAUSE I WANT TO WRITE THIS DOWN BECAUSE I WANT TO LOOK IT UP. 
          ENGLEWOOD. ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS, THE UNILEVER BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. SORRY. GO AHEAD. THAT WAS THE POSTER CHILD OF WHAT NOT TO DO IN THE LAST TEN
YEARS. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM WENDY BEFORE SHE LEAVES PAT? NO. ANYBODY? MISTER CHAIR? IS IT ALRIGHT IF I JUST CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HEARD
IN COMMENTS, JUST SO THAT THE PUBLIC HEARS IT BEFORE I GO? AND YOU DELIBERATE? YEAH. THERE WAS I ALREADY CLARIFIED ABOUT THE THE SITE ACROSS THE
STREET. 
          YOU CAN VIEW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWNSHIP,
OR IS PROPOSED TO BE DEDICATED AS PART OF THIS. 
          I WANT TO SAY THAT THE SITES ARE NOT SEGREGATED. 
          WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT ANYBODY WHO IS PROPOSING TO COME IN INTEGRATES AND FULLY COMPLIES
WITH THE LATEST AND GREATEST UAC RULES, WHICH REQUIRES NOT ONLY IT REQUIRES INTEGRATION ACROSS THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT SITE ITSELF
AND OF THE TYPE OF UNITS. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS NEXT TO AFFORDABLE IF YOU HAVE,
YOU KNOW, MARKET RATE TOWNHOUSES. 
          SO YOU CAN'T AFFORDABLE UNITS NOT SEGREGATE SEGREGATE IT. 
          RIGHT. I ALREADY CLARIFIED THAT IT'S NOT A HIGH DENSITY IT CAN VIEW. 
          IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF WE WERE A VACANT LAND TOWN TO
CALCULATE FOR THAT THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND AS FAR AS FOR THE 100% AFFORDABLE THE STATE,
THE FEDERAL GRANTS ARE A COMPLETE UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. 
          SO IT'S VERY HARD TO PUT YOUR, YOUR, ALL YOUR EGGS INTO THAT BASKET. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME FOR THIS THIS PROPOSAL AND THE REQUIREMENTS
FOR WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SET FORTH FOR 100% MUNICIPALLY SPONSORED PROJECT REQUIRED SUBSTANTIALLY MORE LEGWORK TO WHERE YOU HAD TO SHOW REALLY THAT YOU HAD
FINANCING WHEN YOU'RE GETTING IT. 
          CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES. THE THE REQUIREMENT IS MUCH HIGHER AND WOULD NOT PROVIDE THE TYPE
OF VARIABLES TO OFFSET TO EMS, POLICE DEPARTMENT, ETC. SO THAT THAT POSES A QUESTION IN MY MIND. 
          IF THE BOARD WERE TO APPROVE THE NUMBER OF UNITS TONIGHT,
YOU'RE NOT APPROVING THE NUMBER. 
          YOU'RE APPROVING THE PLANNING CONSENT PLAN. EXCUSE ME. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT APPROVING THE PLAN. AND THEN WE WERE TO FIND THAT THE KEN VIEW PLAN
WAS NOT APPROPRIATE OR THE BUILDER DROPPED OUT. WHATEVER. WE THEN WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LOOK
AT SOMETHING LIKE 100% AFFORDABLE. 
          CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON RECORD. 
          SO IN SHORT, WE STILL HAVE OPTIONS. YOU. YOU HAVE OPTIONS IF SOMETHING IS. 
          IT REQUIRES A CHANGE. RIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING OUT SAYING THIS IS OUR
PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT OUR PLAN. THAT IS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          [01:45:03]
YOU'RE COMING UP WITH A MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT. 
          LIVING DOCUMENT, ALWAYS SUBJECT TO AMENDMENTS AS MORE INFORMATION BECOMES KNOWN. 
          FROM THE INFORMATION WE HAVE TODAY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE. 
          THAT IS A REALISTIC PLAN. BUT YES, IT'S A SHORT TIME FRAME AND WE DO HAVE SOME
RESERVATIONS IN THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS. I TRULY APOLOGIZE,
BUT WITH THIS TIGHT SCHEDULE, I NOW HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER 730. 
          NOW, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. OKAY, BEFORE WE FINISH OUR BOARD DISCUSSION,
AS PROMISED, IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN YET THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS RANJIT BARBER,
SEVEN GALLOWAY ROAD, SKILLMAN. SIR, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING? I WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO,
YOU KNOW, I'LL START WITH SOMETHING ON THE LIGHTER SIDE. 
          THERE'S A SAYING WHICH SAYS THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. 
          AND THIS IS A CLASSIC EXHIBIT A OF THAT SAYING. 
          AND WHILE I WAS SITTING THERE, I GOOGLED AS TO WHERE THEY SEARCH,
WHERE THIS THING CAME FROM. 
          IT ACTUALLY IS A GUY CALLED SAINT BERNARD, 12TH CENTURY,
AND IT'S APPLICABLE TO POLITICIANS. 
          SO MAYBE GOD IS SENDING US A SIGNAL THAT THIS IS A ROAD TO HELL,
AND IT IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. 
          SO THAT'S ON THE LIGHTER SIDE OR SOMEWHAT ON THE LIGHTER SIDE. 
          THE SECOND THING I HAVE OBSERVED, AND AFTER LIVING IN THIS TOWN FOR 13 YEARS,
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THE TOWN AS UNITED AS EVER AGAINST ONE ISSUE. 
          OTHERWISE, THIS TOWN IS DEEPLY DIVIDED. WHETHER IT'S REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS,
99% OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE DEAD AGAINST THIS PLAN. 
          EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONE GENTLEMAN. I KNOW HE IS. 
          HE HAS ALL RIGHT TO DISAGREE. BUT THIS PLAN REALLY HAS 99% OF THE TOWN AGAINST IT. 
          YOU GOING ON SAYING YOU HAVE TIME PRESSURE, YOU CAN FILE FOR AN INJUNCTION BECAUSE THE
WORST DECISIONS ARE MADE WHEN THIS TIME PRESSURE. 
          THEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK SOMEONE REFERENCED THE BUILDER'S INTEREST. 
          IT'S NOT THE BUILDERS INTERESTS. IT'S A TOWNSHIP INTEREST. 
          SO WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TWO BUILDERS. THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. 
          WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGHT THEM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE IMPACT IS CLEARLY ON THE TOWN. 
          IT'S THE TOWN TAXES WHICH ARE GOING TO GO UP. 
          IT'S THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED. 
          SO WHATEVER AMMUNITION YOU NEED FROM THE RESIDENTS,
WE HAVE A POLITICAL ELECTIONS COMING UP, WHETHER IT'S TALKING TO MIKIE SHERRILL OR THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. 
          THINGS CAN BE CHANGED. THE FACT THAT IT'S A STATE MANDATE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CONSTANT. 
          YOU CAN CHANGE THAT GOALPOST AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE WORKING ON. 
          IF HILLSBOROUGH WAS AGAINST IT. IF MARWA IS AGAINST IT,
IF ALL THE TOWNS. 
          THE TOWN, THE STATE IS A COLLECTION OF TOWNS. 
          IF ALL THE TOWNS ARE AGAINST IT, WHO THE HELL IS THE STATE TO MANDATE IT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY POINT. YOU KNOW, IT'S EVERY TOWN IS AGAINST STATE. 
          HOW CAN THE STATE MANDATE? THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY. 
          THANK YOU. AND JUST AS A RESPONSE, I WILL SAY THAT THE MAYOR DID SAY THAT I BELIEVE THE
TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BRING UP A YES. 
          WE WILL DO A VOTE TO JOIN THE LAWSUIT. SO IN THE ELECTION,
I'M SURE TO GET 99%. 
          IT CAN BE AN ELECTION ISSUE OF A REFERENDUM OF SORTS. 
          OKAY. I WOULD ADVISE YOU, YES, TO TALK TO THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE AND TO MIKIE SHERRILL
AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR THE ASSEMBLY. 
          SEE, THE DECISIONS ARE MADE AT THE LEGISLATURE. 
          THEY'RE NOT MADE AT THE PLANNING BOARD OR AT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. DRIFT. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          ARE WE? ARE YOU VOTING ON REZONING THIS BACK TO RESIDENTIAL? NO, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING TONIGHT. THAT HAS TO DO WITH ZONING. 
          OH. YOU'RE NOT? NO. YOU'RE NOT. NO. OKAY. OH. 
          HAVE YOU SPOKEN? COME ON UP. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SALEH KATARI. 
          I'M IN 24 RIBBON DAY, SIR. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING? WE'LL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK I ECHO EVERYONE'S CONCERNS AND COMMENTS,
BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO THIS. 
          NOW, I THINK WE ARE ACETONE. WE ARE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR LITTLE KIDS BECAUSE WE
HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES. 
          NOW IF YOU LOOK AT 23 ORCHARD, ORCHARD ROAD,
RIGHT NOW BY INTRODUCING THIS NEW PLAN. 
          RIGHT. THIS IS A GRIDLOCK. IF WE HAVE TO GO TO THE SHOP. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. IT TAKES AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES WITH NO TRAFFIC OR MODERATE TRAFFIC. 
          NOW, WITH ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE ADDED HERE. 
          RIGHT. HOW ARE WE PLANNING AN ALTERNATE ROUTE IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY FOR A FAMILY? RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE THAN CHOOSING THE 206 ROUTE. 
          [01:50:02]
SO DID WE ASSESS THAT? I KNOW THERE ARE STUDIES THAT IS BEING PLANNED,
BUT KNOWING THAT IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE A SITUATION WHERE IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS HERE,
ARE WE GOING TO GO BACK AND ASSESS IF THERE ARE ALTERNATE PLANS? YES. AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEAL WITH EVERY TIME A BUILDER COMES IN FOR AN APPROVAL. 
          IN THAT CASE, YES, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME IN AND SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEIR STUDY SHOWS. 
          OF HOW MANY CARS ARE GOING TO BE ADDED TO TRAFFIC IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD. 
          AND THEN OUR EXPERT WILL DO THE SAME. SO YES,
THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT. 
          TRUST ME REALLY, REALLY CAREFULLY BECAUSE YEAH,
IT'S A BIG PROBLEM. 
          ROUTE 206 IS NOT OURS. IT'S A STATE ROUTE. BUT BUT YES,
THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          SURE. AND TWO OTHER QUICK COMMENTS I HEARD THIS COMMENTS ON BUILDER. 
          FILING A LAWSUIT. LITIGATION. WHAT PRIVILEGES THAT BUILDER HAS THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T
HAVE? BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO HERE SHOULD BE. 
          SHOULD WE? FOR THE WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS THEN THE BUILDER,
I THINK I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BUILDER IS A PRIVILEGED CLASS IN THIS TOWNSHIP. 
          YEAH. IF MAYBE I COULD RESPOND TO THAT. SURE. 
          OKAY. THE PRIVILEGE OR THE PROTECTION THAT THE BUILDER HAS,
HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THEM BY THE COURTS OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND ALSO NOW IN THE FAIR HOUSING ACT THAT WAS AMENDED BY THE NEW JERSEY LEGISLATURE IN
2024. 
          SO YOU'VE HEARD SO MUCH TALK ABOUT BOTH THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD WANTING TO
PROTECT THE TOWN FROM EXPOSURE TO BUILDER. AND THE REASON THAT IS OF SUCH CONCERN IS BECAUSE IF THE TOWN DOES
NOT MEET THE JUNE 30TH DEADLINE THEY HAVE, THEY SAY WE NEED MORE TIME. 
          THE STATE LAW SAYS IF YOU DON'T MEET THE JUNE 30TH DEADLINE,
THEN YOU NO LONGER HAVE PROTECTION FROM A BUILDER COMING IN AND SUING YOU AND SAYING, SINCE YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN,
I WANT TO BUILD WHATEVER SITE THEY SAY. 
          I OWN THIS PROPERTY, I WANT TO BUILD IT, AND YOU NEED TO LET ME DO THIS BECAUSE I'M GOING
TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          YOU, THE TOWN, CHOSE NOT TO PLAN FOR THAT AND YOU MAY GOOD REASONS. 
          YOU NEED MORE TIME, BUT THE STATE STATUTE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. 
          AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DEFEND THOSE LAWSUITS. 
          AND THEY'RE VERY OF GREAT CONCERN BECAUSE THE TOWN LOSES THE PLANNING BOARD,
LOSES THE ABILITY TO SAY, NO, NO, NO, WE DON'T WANT THE HOUSING ON THAT SITE. 
          WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BUILD 800 MARKET RATE UNITS SO THAT A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT WILL
BECOME AFFORDABLE. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE I GUESS WE'D SAY THIS IS THE CLUB THAT'S BEING HELD
OVER THE TOWNS. 
          BUT IF YOU DON'T COME ALONG, IF YOU DON'T CREATE A PLAN,
THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND AS AS A PROPERTY OWNER, A BUILDER HAS A RIGHT TO BUILD. 
          AN OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO BUILD ON THEIR LAND. AND IF WE DO NOT HAVE THIS PLAN,
THEN THE COURTS WILL SAY, OKAY, YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP 1000 UNITS AND WE'LL GET OUR 250 AFFORDABLE UNITS OUT
OF THAT. 
          GREAT. AND WE HAVE NO SAY IN THE MATTER. AND IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE,
WENDY TALKED ABOUT ENGLEWOOD CLIFFS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO LOOK UP BECAUSE THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF IT. 
          I MEAN, MANY OTHER TOWNS GOING BACK BECAUSE REMEMBER,
THIS IS THE FOURTH CYCLE NOW OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN NEW JERSEY. BUT GOING BACK PREVIOUSLY OTHER TOWNS SAID,
NO, WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADOPT THIS OR WE THINK OUR ZONING IS FINE. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, THEY FOUND THE COURTS DID NOT AGREE. 
          THE COURT SAID, WELL, YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE. RIGHT. 
          BASICALLY. BASICALLY THE THE COURT. YEAH. THE COURT SAID TOUGH CRAP. 
          HONESTLY. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. 
          THAT'S GREAT, BUT NO DEBATE. I THINK THE I THINK THE POINT IS I THINK THERE ARE OTHER
SITES IN THE TOWN. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION IS EVERYONE SUPPORTS THIS MAJORITY OF THEM. 
          I THINK THE REQUEST IS WHY CAN'T WE CONSIDER OTHER SITES? RIGHT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY TALKING
ABOUT? 
          [01:55:06]
SORRY, SIR. YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT IMPOSING THE ONE ON ORCHARD ROAD. 
          NOT THE NOT THE KEN VUE SITE, THOUGH, RIGHT? WELL,
I THINK YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          ARE YOU NOT GOING TO GET PICKED UP? THANK YOU. YEAH,
IT'S FOR BOTH, BUT I THINK I LIVE CLOSE TO ORCHARD ROAD BUT DEFINITELY I WAS MORE REPRESENTING THE SITUATION AT THE ORCHARD ROAD,
BUT I THINK BOTH SIDES HAS THE SAME CONCERNS, IF I HAVE TO SAY THAT. AND AND I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE OLD MUNICIPAL BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN PIKE RUN THAT WOULD BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO YES. OKAY. YOU'RE TOO YOUNG. YOU'RE YOU'RE TOO I MEAN,
YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO KNOW WHAT SOPHIE'S CHOICE IS. 
          BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH AND YOU AND AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHAT WE FACE. 
          SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANKS. DAVE LEONARD,
DUTCHTOWN, ZION ROAD. 
          SIR. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TONIGHT WILL BE TRUTHFUL. 
          YES. THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR 44 YEARS NOW. 
          AND ONE QUESTION I HAD I WAS I WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE MONDAY,
BUT I DID WATCH THE VIDEO. 
          THANK YOU FOR VIDEOTAPING AND IT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL. 
          IT WOULD BE NICE IF THAT WAS PUBLICIZED A LITTLE BIT MORE SO OTHER PEOPLE COULD GO BACK
AND REWATCH IT. 
          THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT EXTENDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PIKE RUN,
AND I THINK THE COMMENT, IT WAS JUST A QUICK COMMENT THAT WHILE THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING THAT,
WHAT WHAT IS THE SITUATION WITH RESPECT TO THOSE EXPIRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN PIKE RUN THE SITUATION? I MEAN, WHAT WHERE WHAT IS GOING AWAY WITH RESPECT TO PIKE RUN
THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY BE EXTENDED. SO THERE ARE 210 UNITS IN THE 1200 UNIT,
1280 UNIT. 
          DEVELOPMENT OF PIKE RUN, 210 ARE AFFORDABLE RENTALS OUT OF THE 1200 TOTAL HOUSING UNITS IN
PIKE RUN. 
          AND SO THEY RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THAT FROM THAT DATE,
30 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE IS WHEN THE THE EXTENSIONS OF CONTROLS WILL EXPIRE UNTIL THE TIME THAT THE THE PERSON,
THE INCOME QUALIFIED PERSON THAT'S LIVING IN THE UNIT MOVES OUT. 
          SO IT DOESN'T EXPIRE RIGHT ON THAT DAY, BUT THE DAY THAT THE INCOME QUALIFIED PERSON MOVES
OUT OF THE UNIT. 
          SO DO ANY OF THOSE LAPSE IN THE SUCCEEDING TEN YEARS? YES. THAT'S WHY THE TOWNSHIP WAS INTERESTED IN PURSUING THE EXTENSION OF CONTROLS THERE. 
          AND AND LORI, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE RENTALS,
THEY'RE OWNED BY ONE COMPANY PERSON. 
          WHATEVER. IT'S NOT THAT THERE WERE 200 AND SOME ODD INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS RIGHT THERE. 
          RENTALS. SO SO THE OWNING COMPANY THEN HAS THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE. 
          AND THEY WERE NOT WILLING TO PARTICIPATE. THAT SEEMS VERY UNFORTUNATE. 
          IT'S IT'S EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE. IS THAT A FIXED PRICE? I MEAN, ARE THEY NOT INTERESTED IN ANY PRICE OR. 
          THE ANSWER THAT WAS GIVEN WAS THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE INVESTORS FROM 30 YEARS AGO THAT
INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY THAT ANTICIPATE, ANTICIPATE AND EXPECT THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE,
THEIR RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT WILL SHIFT TO MARKET RATE UNITS. 
          RIGHT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL RECOURSE TO REQUIRE WE DO NOT DO THAT. 
          BUT YOU ARE VERY CORRECT. THAT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE. 
          YEAH. MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS PLAN AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BY
THE 30TH, IS THE MULTIPLE COMMENTS MADE BY PAUL THAT ALL OF THE ORDINANCES HAVE TO BE IMPLEMENTED
WITHIN NINE MONTHS, BY MARCH OF NEXT YEAR. THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT THE CAN VIEW PROPERTY AND THE ORDINANCES TO
SUPPORT DEVELOPING THAT MUST BE IN PLACE BY MARCH OF 26. SO IT SEEMS TO ME, YOU KNOW,
IN THE CONCERN OF THE THE PUBLIC HERE IS THAT THIS IS ALREADY CONCRETE THAT'S POURED AND IS SETTING. SEEMS VERY VALID BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW REALISTICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO
COME UP WITH A GOOD ALTERNATIVE WITHIN NINE MONTHS FROM THAT CAN VIEW PROPERTY. SO I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE. 
          THERE IS ONLY ONE ALTERNATIVE PRESENTED OR IT'S NOT ALTERNATIVE,
IT'S ONLY ONE PLAN PRESENTED. 
          THERE'S NO PLAN B, THERE'S NO PLAN C THAT'S BEEN REITERATED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE. 
          BUT THAT NINE MONTH WINDOW THAT WAS JUST SORT OF BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT IS A MAJOR CONCERN. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU MUST APPROVE THAT WITHIN NINE MONTHS,
I REALLY DON'T SEE HOW THIS CONCRETE DOESN'T. 
          IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED IN NINE MONTHS, THEN WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. 
          SO WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED? I MEAN, I'LL LET KAREN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I THINK OUR ATTORNEY LEFT,
SO I THINK WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          [02:00:05]
BUT BUT THE POINT YOU MADE ABOUT PICTON, WE,
THE TOWNSHIP AND OUR AMAZING ADMINS AND OUR PROFESSIONALS WERE ABLE TO GET MCKINLEY COAT EXTENSIONS DONE. AND THAT PAYMENT IS GOING TO COME FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE ARE
DOING SO BECAUSE OTHERWISE THAT WOULD COME FROM THE TAXPAYERS. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IS THAT THROUGHOUT THE
LEGISLATION THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2020, FOR THE CONSTANT CLUB THAT'S BEING HELD OVER TOWNS IS IF YOU MISS ANY OF THE DEADLINES. 
          SO IF YOU MISS THE MARCH DEADLINE AGAIN, THE TOWN LOSES PROTECTION AGAINST LAWSUITS. 
          SO IT'S A THEME THAT GOES THROUGH THAT LEGISLATION. 
          AND THAT'S THE PENALTY. THAT'S WHAT YOU RISK. 
          IF YOU SAY, WELL, WE COULDN'T MEET THE DEADLINE. 
          IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER WHO'S BEEN WATCHING, WHO SAYS,
OKAY, THIS IS MY CHANCE, I'M I'M COMING IN NOW AND I'M FILING AND HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO BUILD. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL ME. 
          NO, KNOW THAT. THAT'S. THAT'S THAT'S THE CONSTANT PRESSURE THROUGHOUT IT. 
          YOU MISS A DEADLINE. OKAY. YOU'VE LOST YOUR IMMUNITY. 
          SO THE MARCH DEADLINE HAS A SIMILAR POTENTIAL LOSS OF IMMUNITY FACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          SO WHAT ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETED BY MARCH? YOU DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN FRONT OF THE BOARD RIGHT NOW FOR THE KIND OF YOUR
PROPERTY. 
          IT SEEMS EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE TO EVEN EXPECT THAT THAT PLAN COULD BE PRODUCED WITH ALL OF
ITS ANALYSIS AND EVERYTHING WITHIN NINE MONTHS, UNLESS IT'S SITTING IN THE WINGS SOMEWHERE. MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE,
WHICH IT COULD BE, I GUESS. 
          BUT SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU WITHIN NINE MONTHS? WHAT ORDINANCES WOULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE TO ADOPT IN ORDER TO CHECK THE BOX THAT WE'RE
STILL IN COMPLIANCE BY MARCH OF NEXT YEAR? DIDN'T WE ANSWER THAT THE ZONING NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED BY MARCH OF NEXT? OKAY, SO WHAT DO YOU WHAT WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU? BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR YOU, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO JUST GO REZONE,
CAN YOU? WOULD YOU? WELL, NO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO IT. 
          THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO HAVE A PLAN FOR YOU TO REZONE IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. THERE'S A
CONCEPT PLAN IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN RIGHT NOW. 
          IF THAT'S YOUR QUESTION WE CAN AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE BOARD TO
REZONE. 
          NO NO NO NO. THAT WILL BE WORKED ON OVER THE COMING MONTHS. 
          THAT'S A CONCEPT IN THE IN THE PLAN. SO IS THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE KENT VIEW PLAN
WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD AND APPROVED WITHIN NINE MONTHS? NO, THE ZONING WOULD BE AND THEN THEY WOULD AFTER THE ZONING IS ADOPTED,
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A PLAN TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          THE ZONING GETS ADOPTED BY THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. THEN WHAT IS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED IN ORDER FOR THE ZONING TO BE ADOPTED? THEIR DRAFT REGULATIONS. SO THAT CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU SEE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN
GETS FURTHER FLESHED OUT. 
          SO FURTHER REFINED IN TERMS OF UNIT TYPE AND MIX LOCATION,
WHERE THE BUFFERS WILL BE, THE SETBACKS, HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS, ALL OF THAT. THOSE ARE ALL THE BULK REGULATIONS,
THE STANDARDS THAT WOULD GO INTO THE ORDINANCE AND THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE PRESENTED, DISCUSSED AND APPROVED WITHIN NINE MONTHS. YES. 
          OKAY. PERSONALLY, I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SEE YOU STAY AS A LIGHT MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIAL
FACILITY RATHER THAN TURN INTO A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, PLEASE. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. I LIVE ON FIVE EAST RIDGE ROAD. ONE THING I THINK I'M NOT SURE IF WENDY
UNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION OR IT WAS MISSED. I HAVE THIS THING THAT SAYS RESOLUTION OF OBLIGATION MUST BE ADOPTED BY
JANUARY 31ST, 2025, AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN PLAN SHOULD BE FILED BY JUNE 30TH,
2025 TO TRIGGER ENTRY INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM RATHER THAN IMMEDIATE COURT CHALLENGE. 
          IF THESE ARE MET, ANY OBJECTIONS ARE ADMINISTRATIVE BUYING TIME FOR REVIEW BEFORE
DEVELOPERS CAN FILE BUILDERS REMEDY SUITS. 
          SO IF WE PROVE THAT THESE ALL HAVE BEEN FILED,
I THINK WE CAN PUT OUR PLAN INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM AND THEN BUY TIME TO GET APPROVAL THAT WE WANT OR NOT WANT TO CONTINUE WITH. 
          THIS CAN BE SITE AND WE CAN OPT OUT OF IT IF WE DON'T WANT. 
          SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF SHE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT
THE STATUTORY TIMELINE, WHICH IS THIS TIMELINE, WHICH IS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM,
NOT THE REGULAR TIMELINE THAT WE NEED, 
          [02:05:03]
BUT THAT IS THE 30 30TH, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THE TOWNSHIP WANTS TO BUY TIME ON THAT. 
          AND WE CAN CHECK THIS AND CONSIDER MORE SITES. 
          SECOND, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPER COMING IN,
THAT IS THE LAST RESULT. 
          WHEN THE TOWNSHIP OURSELVES, WE HAVE NOT PLANNED SITES OURSELVES AND POINTED OUT,
OKAY, THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL. 
          WE WANT TO GIVE THESE SITES AND THIS, THESE ARE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE PROPOSE ON
THESE SITES. 
          SO WHERE IS THE DELAY? OR DO WE HAVE PLANNERS ON BOARD WHO ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR THESE
SITES WHERE THE TOWNSHIP THEMSELVES GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE, INSTEAD OF THE DEVELOPER COMING IN AT THE LAST MINUTE AND SAY,
OH, THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED ANYTHING. SO NOW I GO AND PITCH IN THE SIDE. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? WELL, MA'AM,
THE THE PERIOD BETWEEN JUNE 30TH AND AUGUST 31ST, WHEN A PARTY CAN CHALLENGE THE TOWN'S PLAN. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO NEED OF PARTIES TO CHALLENGE IT. 
          IT'S. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT FOR THE. IT'S NOT FOR THE. 
          IT'S NOT FOR THE TOWN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT SOME MORE AND WE'RE
CHANGING IT NOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE BUILT THAT IN, BECAUSE I'M SURE SOME QUESTION WAS ASKED. 
          WELL, SUPPOSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE IT AGAIN,
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FAST TRACK THIS TWO MONTHS FOR A PARTY TO COME IN. 
          YEAH, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THIS DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM,
BUT IT'S NOT FOR THE TOWN. 
          IT'S FOR ANY OUTSIDE PARTIES THAT WANTS TO CHALLENGE IT. 
          YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE WE HEARD THAT HILLSBORO IS BRINGING
UP SITES ON MILL ROAD, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ON THE ZION, AND THEN I'M SURE SOMETHING'S COMING AROUND HOPEWELL. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THIS RIGHT HERE ON THE GRANDVIEW ROAD. 
          HOW IS THE TRAFFIC LIKE? WE HAVE RAISED TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON OUR ROAD. 
          BUT THEN, BECAUSE ALL THESE BUILDUP WILL BE COMING UP,
THEN THE NORTH SIDE OF GRANDVIEW IS THE ENDANGERED SPECIES AND PRESERVE LAND. 
          WILL THAT NOT BE IMPACTED BY IT ONCE THIS TRAFFIC? WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO DIVERT THE TRAFFIC AND CONNECT. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T SEE MUCH TRAFFIC ON THE GRANDVIEW ROAD. 
          IT IS INHIBITED. WE DON'T HAVE TRUCK PROVISIONS EVEN THERE. 
          HOW ARE WE GOING TO CATER TO THAT? AND DO THE COUNTIES TALK TO EACH OTHER THAT BECAUSE THE
DEVELOPMENT IS COMING ALL FOUR SIDES. 
          SO WILL IT NOT BE LIKE A JAM PACKED AREA? I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ARE. 
          WELL, AGAIN, THE BUILDER WILL HAVE TO COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH WITH THE TRAFFIC
STUDY, AND THAT INCLUDES. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TOWN IT'S COMING FROM. 
          SO. OKAY. AGAIN SAME. WE WE HAD SOME REDEVELOPMENT AREAS ALREADY UNDER PROPOSAL DISCUSSION
IN MONTGOMERY ITSELF. IF I'M CORRECT. SO I HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED FOR THESE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING. 
          THERE THERE HAVE BEEN AREAS. YES. IT'S BEEN THE THRIVE IS PROPOSAL IS A REDEVELOPMENT AREA
AND IT'S IN THE PLAN. 
          YES. SO IF IF THOSE ARE THEY MEET THE CRITERIA,
WILL WE NOT NEED TO USE THE CAN YOU SITE. 
          THOSE ARE 2020 CREDITS THERE. SO THE OBLIGATION IS 260. 
          SO THEN WE WE MAXIMIZE THE BONUS CREDITS OF 65. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S LAID OUT IN THE PLAN. THERE'S A CHART AT THE PAGE 86,
AND IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM, THE NUMBER OF UNITS REQUIRED WOULD GO UP. SO. 
          OKAY. AND THEN THERE IS AGAIN A GIVEN. I SEE THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS. 
          WE WERE WE JUST MOVED TO MONTGOMERY TEN YEARS AGO AND TO THE SKILLMAN AREA TWO YEARS AGO. 
          AND WE ARE SURPRISED TO HEAR FROM ALL OUR FRIENDS,
BECAUSE THIS IS THE AREA WHICH WE ARE SEEING FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN WE CAME TO LOOK FOR A HOUSE IN THIS AREA. AND OUR FRIENDS COME AND SAY,
OH, THIS LOOKS LIKE A DIFFERENT WORLD. 
          THIS IS NOT HERE. WE SEE BIKERS, WE SEE TREKKERS. 
          WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHERS COMING DURING THE IMMIGRATION. 
          WHEN THE BIRDS ARE MIGRATING, WE SEE BIRDWATCHERS. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE. ARE WE NOT THINKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS? WE THINK ABOUT? WE LOOK AT THE WORLD NEWS AND WE TALK ABOUT LIKE GLOBAL WARMING,
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING THE NATURAL AREAS. 
          I UNDERSTAND WE ARE VERY CONCERNED PRESERVING THE HISTORY AND THE CULTURE AND THE WE HAVE
HERE, FRIENDS AND HISTORIANS COMING FROM THIS AREA,
I THINK WE SHOULD PRESERVE. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK OTHER COUNTIES HAVE IT. 
          ONLY MONTGOMERY DOES. WE DON'T HAVE HILLSBOROUGH OR NEIGHBORING COUNTIES. 
          THOSE ARE ALREADY CONCRETE STRUCTURES. YEAH. NO,
THAT'S THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. SO OKAY, I'LL MAKE IT REAL FAST. THREE MINUTES DEBORAH KEENAN KEENAN. 
          AND YES, I'M STILL UNDER OATH, THE SMART MOVE PROGRAM. 
          WHAT WAS THAT CONSIDERED? SORRY. THIS PROGRAM,
WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD, WHEN I WAS IN THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE, I PUT INTO THE STATE. IT IS A AFFORDABLE PROGRAM THAT THE STATE PAYS FOR 110% OF THIS TO
PUT AN ECHO FOR HOMES. 
          [02:10:08]
AND IT WOULD. DID THAT FIT? WAS THAT EXPLORED? NO. THAT WOULD. THAT'S ABOUT FIVE UNITS. PLEASE,
FOLKS. 
          PLEASE. THE PROGRAM THE STATE PAYS THE SMART MOVE PROGRAM. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK UP THE EMAIL THAT WE EXCHANGED BACK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          SO I PUT IN FOR THE STATE TO AT LEAST SAY WE ARE INTERESTED IN IT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS. 
          OR WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE IMPACTED BY IDA, BUT IT DOES ACCOUNT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND
THE STATE PAYS AT 100. 
          IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. THE STATE PAYS 110% TO THE DEVELOPER. 
          NO, I'M SAYING THE NUMBER OF UNITS IT IS THERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BECAUSE IT
DOESN'T. 
          YES. THIS THIS IS TERRIBLE THAT THIS HAPPENS VERY QUICKLY. 
          AND WE KNOW WHY. IT ALL HAPPENS VERY FAST AND I DO UNDERSTAND THIS,
BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, AND I HAD SAID, AND I WAS ON THE MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE. 
          I'M NO LONGER SITTING UP THERE, AND I'M BECAUSE THE MAYOR DID NOT WANT ME ON THE PLANNING
BOARD ANYMORE. 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT KEN,
AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING IT. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS TO SAY IT'S ALL HAPPENING TO US AND WE DON'T HAVE A
CHOICE. 
          I SAID WE SHOULD PUSH BACK WHEN THIS FIRST CAME THROUGH AND YOU REFUSED TO DO THIS. 
          YOU THREW YOU DECIDED I SHOULDN'T BE ON THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL
ABOUT HANDING OUR TOWN OVER TO DEVELOPERS, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR TO PUT IT OUT THAT WAY. 
          AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE SERVICE THAT YOU DO. 
          THIS IS VERY HARD JOB THAT YOU HAVE. SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. COMMENTS. DISCUSSION. YES. PUBLIC. I'M SORRY SIR. 
          PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED. WE'VE GOT IT. WE GOT IT. 
          WE GOT IT. SEE? THERE'S SOMEONE IN THE LEFT IN THE BACK ROW. 
          WE'VE GOT. YEAH WE HAVE. WE'VE HAD TWO NICE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          I THINK WE'RE OKAY. OKAY. BOARD DISCUSSION. YEP. 
          YEAH. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. JUST GIVE ME A FEW MOMENTS. 
          I JUST WANT TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS OF EVERYONE'S TIME. FIRST OF ALL,
TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING THE RECORDING. FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME AND EXPRESS YOUR VIEWPOINT AND YOUR PASSION,
OBVIOUSLY. 
          BUT I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT OUR CHAIR SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. 
          ALL OF US HERE ON THIS BOARD, AND INCLUDING THOSE OF US WHO ARE ELECTED,
WE LIVE IN THIS TOWN. 
          WE'RE HOMEOWNERS, WE'RE HUMAN, AND WE WANT TO GO TO THE FIREWORKS TO TOO. 
          AND THIS IS NOT EASY FOR US. AND I DID NOT PUT THIS IN MY REMARKS THAT I WROTE DOWN. 
          BUT IT IS NOT EASY TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK. 
          AND AND WHEN IT BECOMES VERY PERSONAL. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I JUST WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE HUMAN AND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST
DECISIONS THAT WE CAN. 
          I'M ALSO ON THE MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE. THE MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE? YOU KNOW, TOOK THE TIME TO EVALUATE THE OPTIONS THAT WERE AVAILABLE ON THIS TIGHT TIMELINE
AND FEASIBLE. 
          RIGHT. AND WE WE GET THAT. IT'S NOT IDEAL. I ACTUALLY THOUGHT AT THE TIME THAT A
NONCOMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE THAN A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT YOU LIVE AND YOU LEARN, RIGHT? SO WE HEAR YOU. 
          I HEAR YOU. WE ARE GOING TO AND MY VOTE TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE. 
          YES. WHY? BECAUSE FROM A COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT,
FROM A NOT LOSING AN IMMUNITY STANDPOINT, FROM AN AVOIDING BUILDER'S REMEDY STANDPOINT,
I HAPPEN TO BE AN ATTORNEY. I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE. 
          EVEN WITH ALL THE PASSION THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TONIGHT,
EXPOSE THIS TOWN TO LITIGATION. 
          AND AT THIS STAGE, THIS IS WHAT IS NECESSARY. 
          HOWEVER, I WILL TELL YOU THAT FROM MY VIEWPOINT,
I'M COMMITTED TO THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, TRYING TO FIND ADDITIONAL SOLUTIONS MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS ALL TIED UP IN THE BEST
PACKAGE THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER WITH THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS TOWN. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THERE WAS ANY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THE BUILDING. 
          I WASN'T AWARE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE RAISED TONIGHT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU,
AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF IF SOMEONE SAID, OH, THIS IS SOMETHING THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE WANTS. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. 
          THAT IS NOT THE CASE. I WANT THIS TOWN NOT TO BE EXPOSED TO A LOSS OF IMMUNITY. 
          I WANT THIS TOWN NOT TO BE EXPOSED TO MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LITIGATION. 
          I WANT THIS TOWN, FIRST OF ALL, NOT TO BE EXPOSED TO A BUILDER'S REMEDY. 
          THERE ARE BUILDERS OUT THERE WHO ARE WAITING AND WATCHING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXERCISE
A BUILDER'S REMEDY. 
          YOU HEARD OUR ATTORNEY SAY THERE'S NO EXTENSIONS,
THERE'S NO CONJUNCTIONS. 
          THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW BESIDES COMPLY. 
          AND AT THIS STAGE, AT THIS STAGE, WITH THIS PIECE OF PAPER,
AND IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN GOOD FAITH. 
          [02:15:06]
YOU CAN'T REALLY TURN IN LIKE A PROMISE OR A HOPE TO THE COURT. 
          IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN. 
          AND IT DOES NOT MATTER AT THIS STAGE WHETHER WE WANT TO DO IT OR NOT. 
          SO I THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT, AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT THIS BOARD AND
THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE HERE, WE ARE VOLUNTEERS. AND PLEASE EXTEND US A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE WITH THE SITUATION THAT
WE'RE IN. 
          THANK YOU. THANKS, PAT. YEAH. WELL I HAVE SOMETHING QUICK TO SAY. 
          AND THEN. PAUL. ANYONE ELSE? I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS AT THE BEGINNING. 
          I DECIDED NOT TO, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AFTER SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT YOU KNOW,
WHEN WHEN PEOPLE GO TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEY WRITE THINGS LIKE IT'S CORRUPTION, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, THEY ARE COWARDS TRYING TO RAM THAT THROUGH,
YOU KNOW, TO WRITE STUFF LIKE THAT OR SAY STUFF LIKE THAT WITH NO BASIS IN FACT,
WITH NO TRUTH. 
          AND JUST TO INFLAME PEOPLE IS JUST SO IRRESPONSIBLE. 
          SO I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY, WHOEVER HAS KIDS,
YOU KNOW HOW YOU KNOW WHAT SOCIAL MEDIA DOES OR COULD DO TO KIDS? WELL GUESS WHAT? IT CAN DO IT TO ADULTS TOO. SO PLEASE,
PLEASE, LET'S TRY TO BE CIVIL. 
          I'D ALSO WANT TO ASK THE BOARD IF THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO US COMMITTING TO WHATEVER
HAPPENS WITH THIS PLAN. 
          AND I WILL SAY I AGREE WITH PAT AND I AM GOING TO BE VOTING FOR IT. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMIT TO QUARTERLY UPDATES AT OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS POSTED
ON THE AGENDAS THAT ARE ONLINE. 
          BUT I ALSO WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET TO BE PROACTIVE,
TO GET NOTICES OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE WILL UPDATE THE TOWN, AT LEAST ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO
COME IN HERE AND MAKE THEIR VOICES KNOWN, IF THE BOARD'S AMENABLE TO THAT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          ABSOLUTELY. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. THEN IT HAS TO BE MONTHLY UPDATE AND NOT THE QUARTERLY. 
          IF IT'S IF IF WE HAVE THINGS TO DO IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN A MONTH. 
          SURE. OF COURSE. BUT BUT IT HAS TO GO ON THE AGENDA LEGALLY. 
          IT'S GOT TO GO ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE TO NOTICE IT. 
          AND AND I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE OUR AGENDAS OR DON'T SEE WHEN
THE MEETINGS ARE, ARE POSTED. SO PLEASE AT LEAST LOOK ON THE WEBSITE. 
          BUT WE I WILL WORK PERSONALLY WITH OUR VERY HARD WORKING TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE
WE GET THE MESSAGE OUT. 
          THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT FOR ANYONE TO THINK THAT THIS IS BEING DONE IN IN A DARK ROOM. 
          IT'S NOT TRUE, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE TO SEE ANY FURTHER
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          SO THANK YOU. SO FOR ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL,
I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE FOR COMING. 
          I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE ENGAGEMENT AND AND ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY SOLIDIFIED MY, MY DECISIONS HERE HERE TODAY. 
          TONIGHT IS IS MY WIFE'S BIRTHDAY. AND YOU GUYS ARE VERY,
VERY BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE. 
          BUT YOU'RE NOT AS BEAUTIFUL AS HER. TONIGHT IS THE FIREWORKS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM TO CELEBRATE OUR INDEPENDENCE AS A COUNTRY. 
          THERE WERE NICE FIREWORKS IN HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS BEAUTIFUL AS THAT YET. 
          I'M HERE LISTENING TO YOU. I THINK IT'S REALLY,
REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HERE. 
          A COUPLE OF THINGS. FOR ONE, I WANT TO. I WANT TO APPLAUD THE GENTLEMAN IN THE THE RED
SHIRT BACK THERE FOR HELPING TO IDENTIFY WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING STANDARDS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY,
AS A SOCIETY, ARE OBLIGATED, OBLIGATED AS A TOWN TO, TO UNDERSTAND. AND WE NEED TO DO OUR VERY, VERY BEST. 
          AND SO I THANK YOU FOR REVIEWING THAT HISTORY FOR,
FOR US. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SITTING HERE AND DOING THAT. 
          I WANT OUR TOWN TO FULFILL ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING OBLIGATION AND MORE. 
          AND I THINK WE HAVE WE HAVE OPERATED WITH GOOD FAITH OVER ALL THE ROUNDS TWO,
THREE AND NOW FOUR. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO DO DO IT. BUT BUT WE THERE'S A CIRCLE THAT I CANNOT SQUARE. 260 HOUSES OR SO IS WITH THE NUMBER THAT THE TOWNSHIP OR THE,
THE STATE GAVE US IN THEIR FORMULA. 
          [02:20:07]
AND WE REVIEWED THAT FORMULA AND WE AGREED TO THAT AND SAID,
SO IT MUST BE TRUE THAT YOU CAN FIT 260 HOUSES BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          AND WE SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND YET THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE WE ONLY HAVE. 
          THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S POSSIBLE TO DO. 
          I'M TRYING TO SQUARE THE CIRCLE. I CAN'T DO THAT. 
          IT'S THE ONLY REASON TO SAY YES TO THIS PLAN IS BECAUSE WE WILL BE SUED,
AND WE WILL LOSE OUR INDEPENDENCE, AND WE WILL LOSE OUR ABILITY TO PLAN FOR OURSELVES. 
          WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY LOST THE ABILITY TO PLAN FOR OURSELVES. I THINK WE
HAVE. 
          SOUNDS LIKE SOUNDS. IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR. WE CANNOT. 
          WE CANNOT PLAN FOR OURSELVES. SO MAYBE, MAYBE,
MAYBE IT'S GOOD THAT THE STATE WILL COME IN AND AND FULFILL THE OBLIGATIONS OF MOUNT LAUREL FOR US, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT OURSELVES. I MEAN,
I'M NOT I CAN'T PREJUDGE THIS PLAN. 
          I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS PLAN, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF HOLES IN IT AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. 
          SO THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION TO VOTE YES IS BECAUSE YOU'RE WORRIED
ABOUT BEING SUED. 
          THAT'S CALLED HOBSON'S CHOICE. HELD OVER A BARREL,
STRONG ARMED. 
          ALL OF THOSE TERMS. LEGAL BLACKMAIL. NOT AN OFFICIAL LEGAL TERM. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED. ALL THAT STUFF. ALL RIGHT. 
          BRING IT ON. SUE US. AMEN. SUE US. 
          I YOU KNOW, I, I WE CANNOT STAND ANY, ANY, ANY FOR I RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE ZONING BOARD
MEETING YESTERDAY FOR NO REASON, ONLY THE APPEARANCE THAT I COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A A A SOMETHING BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP
COMMITTEE PERSON, MIKE MARTIN, WAS WAS PRESENTING AND I'M AND I AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE THE PARTY IN THE
AND SO I RECUSE MYSELF TO AVOID AN APPEARANCE OF CORRUPTION YET THIS. 
          HOW IS THIS DOES NOT APPEAR AT ITS CORRUPTION. 
          IT IT IT I'M NOT SAYING IT IS. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS,
BUT IT CERTAINLY SMELLS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BAD. I'M NOT TRYING TO GRANDSTAND. 
          I THIS IS. BUT BUT THIS IS OUR 250TH ANNIVERSARY. 
          WE OF A COUNTRY. WE FOUGHT FOR INDEPENDENCE. LOCAL RULE IS STILL PARAMOUNT. 
          WE ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, UNITED STATES. 
          AND WE MAY BE BEING TOLD FROM THE TOP WHAT TO DO AT EVERY MINUTE. 
          BUT SO WHAT? SUE US. 
          I DO WANT TO REMIND PAUL THAT WE WILL BE IN A LAWSUIT ANYWAYS. 
          THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE IS FIGHTING THIS WHOLE EFFORT AND WE ARE JOINING THE OTHER TOWNS. 
          AND I DID LET EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY WILL BE OKAY WITH WHAT THE OUTCOME
IS. 
          BUT YES, WE WILL BE JOINING THE LAWSUIT. DON'T DO IT AGAIN. 
          WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? ANY OTHER NO BOARD COMMENTS? DISCUSSION. ANYBODY ELSE? I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT ELSE. 
          YEAH, WE'LL BE JOINING THE LAWSUIT. BUT TO PAUL'S POINT,
THE ONE REASON THAT WE CANNOT PUT THE TOWN, IF WE GO AGAINST THIS, THEN THE TOWN GETS SUED AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE THE ONES HOLDING THE
BAG. 
          SOMEONE, PLEASE, WHEN YOU GO HOME, LOOK UP WHAT HAPPENED TO SOUTH BRUNSWICK. 
          THEY'RE TAXPAYERS, PAID FOR YEARS OF LAWSUITS,
AND THEY STILL LOST. 
          OKAY, SO. I'M SORRY. CAN I SPEAK NOW OR NOT? I'VE BEEN WAITING TO GET DONE. 
          I THOUGHT WE'D CLOSE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DOCTOR THOMAS PICONE. 
          I LIVE ON 49 FAIRVIEW ROAD AND I HAVE A BIG HOUSE. 
          AND I HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY. AND I BOUGHT THIS. 
          CAN YOU. CAN YOU LET HER? OH. I'M SORRY. I'LL SAY NO. 
          I'M SAYING THE TRUTH. OKAY. I'VE BEEN A I'VE BEEN. 
          I'VE BEEN A PRACTICING PHYSICIAN IN NEW JERSEY FOR 50 YEARS. 
          52 YEARS. AND I'M TELLING YOU, I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY WHICH BUTTS RIGHT UP TO JOHNSON AND
JOHNSON. 
          AND I AM PROGRAMED BY JOHNSON AND JOHNSON ALL THE YEARS. 
          [02:25:02]
I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN I BUILT THAT HOUSE THERE,
I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T MIND. THAT'S A NICE PLACE. EVEN THOUGH MY LAND IS RIGHT NEXT TO THEIRS, IT SEEMS. OKAY. THEY'RE PARKED OVER THERE. 
          NOBODY COMES OVER ON MY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY,
AND I GOT 14 ACRES THERE. 
          OKAY, FINE. THEN THEY TOLD ME, WHY DON'T YOU DONATE SOME OF THE PROPERTY SO THEY CAN HAVE
A WALKING THING SO PEOPLE CAN WALK OVER MY PROPERTY AND GO ACROSS TO IRISH'S PROPERTY AND THEN GO UP INTO THE MOUNTAIN. PEOPLE WANT TO WALK UP INTO THE MOUNTAIN. 
          SO I MET WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND I DONATED SO MUCH OF MY WALK PROPERTY TO GO THROUGH THERE. 
          JOHNSON AND JOHNSON WAS GOING TO LET THEM WALK THROUGH THERE TOO. 
          NOW THAT STOPPED. I DONATED SOME OF MY PROPERTY,
WHICH IS NOT WORTH AS MUCH MONEY. 
          BECAUSE OF THAT, I DONATED IT TO THE STATE OR WHATEVER THE HECK IT IS NOW. 
          I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER. ANYWAY, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THIS MY TAXES. 
          WHEN I BUILT THAT HOUSE 20 YEARS AGO, WE'RE $45,000 A YEAR TAXES NOW. 
          I NEVER HAD CHILDREN GO TO SCHOOL. THERE'S NOT A STREETLIGHT ON THAT ROAD. 
          IF I HAVE A FIRE, THERE'S NOT EVEN WATER ON THAT. 
          ON THAT ROAD. THERE'S THAT LITTLE TERM. MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER. 
          I DON'T NEED THE POLICE. AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT THAT'S I GOT NOTHING FOR THE MONEY. 
          BUT I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I LOVE IT HERE. I HAD FOUR OFFERS. 
          I'M NOT BRAGGING. I HAD FOUR OFFICERS. PRINCETON SPOTS WOULD SAY I'VE ONLY HAD FOUR,
FOUR PRACTICES. 
          AND I CAME HERE BECAUSE I LOVED IT. JUST LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE SAY,
THEY LOVE TO LIVE IN MONTGOMERY BECAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU HAVE THE MOUNTAINS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WE HAD PROPERTY. I HAVE COYOTES KILLED FIVE SHEEP THREE WEEKS AGO. 
          WELL THAT'S OKAY. WE LIVE OUT HERE IN THE COUNTRY. 
          NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY. I'M GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON.
MY TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PUT THEM INTO THE SCHOOL. 
          THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE FOR THE SCHOOL PROPERTY NOW THAT WE'RE PAYING ALL THIS MONEY FOR
NOW. 
          AND YET AND AND YET THEY'RE GOING TO BE RENTERS. 
          THEY'RE RENTERS. THEY'RE NOW THE RENTERS. WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE
RENTER. 
          THE GUYS THAT ARE BUYING, ONES THAT ARE, THAT ARE REGULAR PAYERS,
THAT AREN'T PAYING REDUCED FEE THERE. 
          THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ALL OF US? ARE WE GOING TO GET SUED? JUST LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN SAID? I AGREE WITH YOU,
I'M SICILIAN, I DON'T CARE. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MY NATIONALITY IS. PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE FROM ITALY, INDIA. THAT'S FINE. DOESN'T MATTER. HONESTY IS HONESTY. 
          AND WHY DON'T WE GET SUED? I BET IF YOU GIVE EVERYONE A NOTICE AND YOU SAY,
LISTEN, LET'S KICK IN SOME MONEY HERE. 
          LET'S PUT IN $1,000, $2,000 FROM EVERY PERSON THAT OWNS A HOUSE IN THIS TOWN TO GO FORWARD
FOR THE LAWYERS AND LET THEM SUE US. 
          I'M TELLING YOU. I'M TELLING YOU THAT 1000, $2,000 A YEAR THAT WE'RE COMING OUT OF OUR
ATTACK IS GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER THAN THE MONEY WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ON OUR PROPERTY WHEN WE GO TO SELL OUR HOUSES. I'D RATHER GIVE UP MONEY RIGHT UP FRONT TO HIRE AS MUCH
ATTORNEYS TO INSURE US, TO INSURE US SO THAT WE GET SUED. WE HAVE A PENALTY AMOUNT,
AND WE CAN AT LEAST THEN AT LEAST TRY ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO UNTIL THE SUIT GOES THROUGH AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO SELL IT AND GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. AND THAT'S WHAT I SAY. 
          SORRY, BUT I'VE BEEN WHEN I TOOK CARE OF PATIENTS WITH VERY,
VERY SERIOUS PROBLEMS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS I TOOK CARE OF FOR PATIENTS,
BUT I LOOK AT THE PATIENT. 
          I DON'T TRY TO MAKE JUST BECAUSE I GOT ONE MONTH'S NOTICE. BECAUSE WE GOT ONE MONTH. NO. 
          IF I GOT, I TRY TO DO THE VERY BEST I CAN. AND WITH EVERYTHING,
I TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING. 
          NOBODY'S TAKING A LOOK. I'M NOT SAYING YOU PEOPLE. I'M SAYING I'M GIVING YOU A CHANCE TO
TAKE A DOCTOR. DOCTOR, I UNDERSTAND. I DO. 
          I'M SORRY. AND AND AND AND IT'S NOT YOU PEOPLE AND PEOPLE,
BUT WE HAVE TO STAND TOGETHER. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? YES, TONY. YOU KNOW, I'VE LISTENED TO YOU. REALLY PLEASED THAT YOU CAME OUT. 
          THIS IS WHAT MONTGOMERY IS ABOUT. IT'S A COMMUNITY. 
          AND A COMMUNITY WORKS TOGETHER. AND IT'S NICE TO SEE PEOPLE HERE. 
          ALL TOO OFTEN WE HAVE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS,
AND THERE'S NOBODY HERE. MAYBE 1 OR 2 PEOPLE. 
          I LISTENED, AND I HEARD ONE OF YOU SAY, WE'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. 
          SHE TOLD YOU EXACTLY WHERE I AM. BETWEEN THE ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. 
          THE ROCK IS THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT. WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. THE HARD PLACE THAT THE CALENDAR THAT SAYS THAT OUR DEADLINE IS,
I THINK, MONDAY 30TH. AND WE'RE FACING A BUILDER'S REMEDY. 
          AND IF YOU FACE THE BUILDERS REMEDY, YOU LOSE ALL CONTROL. 
          THE BUILDER DOES WHATEVER THEY WANT. YOU CAN FIGHT THAT WITH LITIGATION. 
          BUILD THE BIG WINNER THERE. OR THE LAWYERS. NOT US,
NOT YOU, NOT ME. 
          I THINK I HAVE TO VOTE FOR THIS TO VOID THAT BUILDER'S REMEDY. 
          YES, BUT I'M UNHAPPY WITH THE PARTS OF THE PLAN,
PARTICULARLY THE THE CAN VIEW THING. 
          AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED VERY CAREFULLY AND SEE IF THERE IS NO OTHER
ALTERNATIVE. 
          [02:30:01]
SO I WOULD I WOULD URGE OUR PLANNING PEOPLE TO TAKE A LOOK AND FIND OUT IF THERE IS
ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, IF THEY CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF J AND J HADN'T LEFT? THANK YOU. 
          THANKS, TONY. AND CAN I JUST ANSWER WHAT MR. LOCHNER SAID? WE ALSO TRIED TO ASK THE ATTORNEYS AND OUR PLANNERS IF WE COULD USE THE OLD. 
          AND WE WERE TOLD, FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULDN'T FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION. 
          SECONDLY, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY WHEN IT SAYS, PLEASE,
SIR, LET ME FINISH. 
          WHEN WE ARE TOLD AT THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE AGAIN,
WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONALS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO KNOW THE LAW. 
          THEY SAID YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUILD THAT 100%,
BECAUSE YOU ALREADY USED MONEY FOR THE 100%, WHICH IS GOING TO GO RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS BUILDING. 
          SO PLEASE KEEP IN MIND EVERYBODY WHO'S COME HERE AND I'M THE DOCTOR WAS VERY ELOQUENT,
BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT TAXES AND WE HEAR THAT EVERY DAY. 
          AND I'M TELLING YOU, IF THAT IS, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD 100% AFFORDABLE,
THE TAXES HAVE TO GO UP. 
          SO, AS MR. LOCHNER SAID, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          SIR. ONE SECOND. AS MR. LOCHNER SAID, WE ARE NOT HAPPY. 
          NONE OF US ARE. WE ARE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. 
          WE HAVE CALLED OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES. WE HAVE CALLED PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE
LEGISLATURE WHO MAKE THESE RULES, AND WE CAN'T GET ANYWHERE WITH THEM. WE WE CANNOT EXPOSE OUR TOWN TO A LAWSUIT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE WILL FIGHT. WE ARE GETTING ON TO THE LAWSUIT WHICH THE OTHER TOWNS
ARE DOING, SAYING THAT WE DON'T AGREE AND THAT WE WE ARE GOING TO PUSH YOU TO CHANGE THIS. 
          BUT WE CANNOT DO THAT WITHOUT GOING WITH THE DEADLINE BECAUSE THEN WE ARE ON TWO ENDS. 
          WE ARE GETTING IT. WE ARE GETTING LOSING OUR IMMUNITY AND WE ARE GOING TO FIGHT,
BUT WITHOUT LOSING OUR IMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT WE ARE GOING TO WHO WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO TAKE A VOTE. I WILL, I WILL HAVE, SINCE I INDULGE MOST PEOPLE TODAY,
I'M GOING TO ASK TO EXCUSE ME. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE, THIS IS IMPORTANT. PLEASE INDULGE ME FOR ANOTHER TWO MINUTES. 
          ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS ON THE ZONING BOARD VERIZON CAME IN TO BUILD A CELL TOWER
ON RIVER ROAD, AND WE HAD ABOUT AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE'VE HAD HERE OVER THE LAST TWO NIGHTS. 
          TO SAY IT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY TO PUT A CELL TOWER ON RIVER ROAD,
EVEN THOUGH THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY HAS MANDATED THAT EVERY SINGLE HOUSE NEEDS MODERATE CELL COVERAGE,
WHICH WE KNOW IN THIS TOWN IS A JOKE, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE STATE SAYS. SO EVERYBODY CAME OUT,
THEY GAVE THEIR OPINION. 
          THE ZONING BOARD TURN DOWN THE CELL TOWER. BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT WERE GIVEN. 
          VERIZON THEN WENT TO THE STATE AND SUED US, AND IT COST US SEVERAL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
BECAUSE IT WAS ORDAINED THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOSE BECAUSE THE STATE SAID VERIZON OR WHOMEVER HAS TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. 
          SO MUCH LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IN MY MIND, I WANT TO PROTECT THE TOWN FROM CERTAIN LAWSUITS
THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO INCREASE OUR TAXES AND INCREASE OUR SPENDING. 
          AND THERE'S STILL NO CELL TOWER, AND THERE'S STILL NO CELL TOWER. 
          AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO AND THERE'S STILL NO CELL SERVICE. 
          AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT STILL COSTS US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS A TOWN. 
          SO WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A VOTE. AND THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE MASTER PLAN. SO WHAT'S THE PLAN? IT'S THE HOUSING ELEMENT. 
          IT'S THE HOUSING ELEMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN. THE 2025 FOURTH ROUND HOUSING ELEMENT AND
FAIR SHARE PLAN. 
          CORRECT. SO WE'RE WE'RE THE ROLL CALL, RIGHT? WELL, OKAY. WE NEED A I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ADOPTION. 
          SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          BATTLE. YES. BLODGETT. NO. HAMILTON. YES. ROBERTS. 
          YES. SINGH. YES. TAYLOR. TODD. YES. YES. KHAN. 
          [02:35:04]
YES. CAMPUS. IT'S REALLY EASY TO VOTE NO. SO I'M GOING TO VOTE YES. 
          YES. IT'S EASY TO VOTE NO. THANK YOU. MEMBERS. 
          BOARD MEMBERS. WE HAVE A DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. 
          BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH. OH, EXCUSE ME PLEASE. THE BOARD HAS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, SO PLEASE, IF YOU'RE LEAVING, BE AS QUIET AS POSSIBLE,
PLEASE. 
          [Additional Item]
AND, MA'AM, I BELIEVE YOU DID SPEAK. CORRECT. 
          CHICKENS DON'T SPEAK AGAIN. OH. SHE CAN'T. WE VOTED. 
          MA'AM. I'LL TALK TO YOU ONE ON ONE, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          THE VOTE. WE'VE ALREADY VOTED, SO CAN WE LET. 
          YOU IGNORED ME. CAN YOU IGNORED ME IN THIS BIG BUILDING THAT ECHOES. 
          THAT'S RIDICULOUS. FOR OUR OUR SIZE OF COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS A RIDICULOUS BUILDING. MY NAME IS KAREN SCHNEIDER. 
          I LIVE AT 322 SUNSET ROAD, WHICH WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE TRAFFIC. 
          KIDS CAN'T EVEN GET TO SCHOOL ON TIME. DON'T WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE BEAUTY OF THIS
COMMUNITY? I'M ALSO AN ARTIST AND A PHOTOGRAPHER. GRANDVIEW ROAD IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES TO TAKE
PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          AND THIS IS GOING TO. IT'S. IT'S ONE OF THE GOING UP 601 DRIVING UP THERE. 
          SEEING THE SUNSET AND THE MOUNTAINS. IT WILL TOTALLY RUIN THE VISTA OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND THERE. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THIS DEADLINE. 
          YOU YOU KNEW THE DEADLINE SINCE DECEMBER AT LEAST. 
          AND I'M ON SUNSET ROAD, SO I'M A PART OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ALSO HERE FOR THE CRANFORD
HOUSE, WHICH WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR
VERY, VERY TIGHT DEADLINE. IT'S NOT RIGHT. SOMETHING'S NOT GOING RIGHT HERE. 
          AND WE HAVE A COMMUNITY OF INTELLIGENT, BRIGHT,
RIDICULOUSLY SMART PEOPLE. 
          IF YOU WOULD PUT THE PROBLEMS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY,
LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN A TIMELY WAY SO WE CAN TALK AMONGST EACH OTHER AND FIND SOLUTIONS. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. IT'S ALMOST AS RIDICULOUS AS THIS. 
          HUGE. WHAT IS THIS? THIS PARK CALLED? THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO I. 
          I CAN MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM SITS HERE AND OUR BOARD SITS UP THERE LIKE. 
          LIKE YOUR KINGS OR QUEENS. THE DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING IS RIDICULOUS. 
          I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I CAN ASSURE YOU IT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          MA'AM, I CAN ASSURE YOU, NOBODY ON THIS BOARD HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING OF
THIS. 
          WE SHOULD CHANGE IT, BECAUSE THIS IS RIDICULOUS. 
          THIS IS MONTGOMERY. I URGE YOU TO GO TO THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND BE HEARD. 
          FINE. OKAY. WE ARE NOT ELECTED. WE ARE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS UP HERE. 
          WE'RE NOT. THEY ARE. WE'RE NOT. WELL, THEN I SAY TO THEM,
THEN, PLEASE AND PLEASE SPEAK THERE AT THE APPROPRIATE MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE. 
          MA'AM, PLEASE. I WILL GO. I STOOD BACK THERE WITH MY HAND UP AS OTHER PEOPLE AND NOBODY
CALLED ON ME. 
          I APOLOGIZE. I'M SORRY THAT I AM A YOUNG WOMAN,
BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE IGNORED. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS. THE RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH IT QUICKLY. IT RECITES THE HISTORY OF THE LEGISLATION,
WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN MARCH 2024, CREATING THIS NEW FRAMEWORK FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          IT EXPLAINS WHAT THE OBLIGATION, HOW THE OBLIGATION WAS ASSIGNED TO THE TOWNSHIP BY THE
COURT. 
          IT IDENTIFIES THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN AND HOUSING ELEMENT THAT WAS PREPARED BY YOUR
PLANNER. 
          IT IDENTIFIES THAT YOU'VE HELD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON JUNE 23RD AND JUNE 26TH. 
          IT NOTES THE BOARD'S OBJECTIONS TO THIS UNFAIR TIMELINE THAT'S BEING IMPOSED UPON THE
MUNICIPALITIES. 
          AND IT RECOGNIZES THAT THE LEGISLATION WOULD ALLOW THIS PLAN TO BE AMENDED AND OR
SUPPLEMENTED SHOULD THE NEED ARISE. 
          [02:40:07]
AND IT GOES ON TO RECITE THAT IN ADOPTING IT,
YOU ARE FINDING THAT IT MEETS THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S THE GIST OF THIS RESOLUTION. SO AS YOU VOTED ON THE MOTION TO ADOPT,
NOW WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THIS RESOLUTION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          BATTLE. YES. HAMILTON. YES. ROBERTS. YES. SINGH. 
          YES. TAYLOR. TODD. YES. CAMPUS. YES. YES. AND. 
          KHAN. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. LAST ITEM IS THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 12TH MEETING. 
          MAY 12TH, 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          SHERRY HAMILTON. YES. LOCKLEAR. KAHN. YES. ROBERTS. 
          YES. SINGH. YES. TAYLOR. TODD. YES. IN CAMP. YES. 
          YES. SORRY. I MADE THE MOTION, AND I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION. 
          I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. OH, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T CATCH IT. YOU CAN DO SO. I CAN BE THERE. 
          OKAY. AND I THINK SARAH HAD SAID. SECOND. AND IN TERMS OF FUTURE MEETINGS,
I'D LIKE TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHEN OUR FUTURE MEETINGS ARE JULY 1ST. THE SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION MEETING HAS BEEN CANCELED,
AND THE NEXT THREE PLANNING BOARDS ON THE BOOKS ARE JULY 14TH, JULY 28TH AND AUGUST 11TH. WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. BOARD. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.