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WELCOME TO THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD, MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP AND SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY. THIS IS OUR REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULED FOR APRIL. 25TH 24. TIME IS NOW 7 P.M. IT'S THE ZONING BOARD'S INTENTION, UH, TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. UM UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS, ACT NOTICE AND TIME IN PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED. AND SINCE THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS , UH AND ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME THAT WE HAVE A, UH, A NEW ZONING OFFICER IN TOWN, AND THIS IS HIS FIRST MEETING. UM SO MATTHEW GALEN, SO, UM WHOMEVER IS GONNA CALL THE ROLL. PLEASE DO SO. WATCH IT. HERE ROSENTHAL ABU WAL MART WOOD. FRANCE. BRYANSK SHAW. DRILL HERE. CO VALLEY HERE BAR FINGER. THANK YOU. UM T. OF AMERICA. RICHARD. IT'S CUSTOMARY HERE. WE OPEN OUR MEETINGS TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'LL REMIND
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MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THIS IS FOR COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA. WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, BUT LAST TIME WE DID ARE THERE ANY TODAY? OH, GREAT. UH ALL RIGHT. FIRST[IV. APPLICATIONS ]
CASE IS CASE. BAT 09 T 23. THE APPLICANT IS MR GEORGE THOMAS. UH BLOCK 3000116, COMMONLY KNOWN AS, UH, 26 BLUE HERON WAY. THIS IS A BULK VARIANT TO PERMIT 27.2% LOCK COVERAGE WHEN 15% IS ALLOWED. THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPLICATION IS MAY 1ST 2024 UH, AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION, UH, AND PREVIOUSLY FOUND IT WAS FOUND TO BE IN ORDER. BOARD UM LAWRENCE POWERS HOGAN, LONGO MORAN DUNSTAN DUCAS, WHERE THE APPLICANT GEORGE THOMAS. UM, YOU'LL RECALL WE WERE HERE. SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A LONG TIME IN FEBRUARY, 27. IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. SO JUST BY WAY OF REFRESHING. YOUR RECOLLECTION ON THE APPLICATION WAS PROPERLY DESCRIBED BY YOUR CHAIR. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. THOMAS WAS HERE, MR THOMAS RIGHT THERE.TO DO KITCHEN EDITION ON HIS HOUSE FOR HIS WIFE. AND WHEN HE FILED THE APPLICATION FOR A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. CONSTRUCTION OFFICIAL TOOK A LOOK, I GUESS WITH THE ZONING OFFICER THEY SAW THAT. BASED UPON THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE SITE WAS 20 MUCH TO HIS SURPRISE IN EXCESS OF WHAT'S PERMITTED BY THE ORDINANCE. YOUR CONSTRUCTION, E OFFICIAL SAID. LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE PERMIT. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER WHEN IN THE KITCHEN ADDITION ON YOUR HOUSE, BUT DON'T FEEL I CAN PROPERLY ISSUE THE PERMIT UNLESS THE COMMISSION FOR THE INCREASED IMPERVIOUS COLOR. SO WE WERE HERE LAST TIME. AND WE STARTED OUR APPLICATION WITH TOM DECKER FROM VAN CLEEF ENGINEERING. AND TRYING TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, BECAUSE WE WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE VARIOUS PERMITS THAT HAD BEEN ISSUED FOR THIS SITE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN EVERYTHING WAS CONSTRUCTED OR WHETHER IT WAS APPROVED OR NOT. AND SO IT WAS. SUGGESTION OF YOUR BOARD ATTORNEY WILL DO GOOD SUGGESTION THAT WE GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PERMITS. TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORY. SEE IF WE COULD TELL FROM SATELLITE PHOTOS WHEN THINGS WERE CONSTRUCTED. I'VE BEEN TAKING ANOTHER SHOT AT IT. SINCE WE WERE HERE, THOUGH. IF YOU SAY THOMAS, HIS WIFE PASSED AWAY. NO, HE'S WELCOME.
MORE. BUT I DID TELL HIM THAT I FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR HIM. WANTS TO SELL HIS HOUSE THAT YOU GO FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION AND GET AN APPROVAL OF THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT'S ON THE SITE BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IT MONTGOMERY REQUIRES CONTINUING CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. BUT I DO KNOW THAT NOW THAT IMPERVIOUS COVER BEING IN EXCESS OF WHAT'S PERMITTED BY THE ORDINANCE, IF SOMETHING HE'D HAVE TO DISCLOSE TO THE PURCHASER AND THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION WOULD ISSUE HAVE TO TEAR UP ANY OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE SITE WAS SOMETHING THAT HE WANTS TO GET RESOLVED NOW THAT THE HOPE IS THAT THIS WILL REQUIRE THAT THIS BOARD WILL APPROVE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT'S ON THE SITE. AND TO THAT END, I HAVE MIKE FORD FROM VAN CLEVE ENGINEERING HERE. PICK UP WHERE MR DE LEFT FOR YOU KNOW THAT MR
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FORD HAS TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS BOARD BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE SWORN IN. YOU WERE MEN UNDER OATH, CORRECT? NO HE DIDN'T. IT WAS MR DECKER LAST TIME. OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WELL, I.I KNOW HE HAS PASSED THE FIRE BEFORE. LET'S SWEAR HIM IN AND GET HIM MY QUALIFIED WE AFFIRM THAT TESTIMONY YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IN THIS MATTER WILL BE THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. YES, I DO. DO YOU NEED ME TO QUALIFY? AM I NOT IN HERE BEFORE? DISQUALIFY HIM TO DOT THE I'S AND CROSS THE TS JUST IN THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE THE BOARD THE BENEFIT OF YOUR EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE AND REFRESH THEIR RECOLLECTIONS THE WAY WHETHER YOU'VE EVER APPEARED BEFORE THAN BEFORE. CERTAINLY UH, GOOD EVENING GUEST. IT'S MICHAEL FORD FORD, UH, LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND PLANNER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS, EMPLOYED WITH VAN CLEF ENGINEERING SINCE JANUARY OF 1991 APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, MOST RECENTLY REGARDING THE EXPANSION OF, UH UH, ACTUALLY THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TENNIS AT THE BEADS BOOK CLUB IN A HOUSE. WE'LL ACCEPT YOU. THANK YOU AS A AS AN ENGINEERING EXPERT. COOL. THE ENGINEERING AND THE PLANNING SO VERY WELL. RIGHT? UM, MIKE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. A DESCRIPTION. AFTER THAT. JUST GONNA PICK IT UP FOR YOU SEGUE INTO THE JUSTIFICATION FOR A POSSIBLE C. TWO VARIANCE, PLEASE , IF CERTAINLY OK, THE EXHIBIT THAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS, UH, A, UH COPY OF THE VARIANCE PLAN ACTUALLY REVIVED AS OF TODAY.
UM, I THINK WE'RE UP TO A THREE. SO THAT WOULD BE MARKED AND I HAVE BOTH FULL SIZE PAPER PRINTS THAT I CAN HAND TO THE BOARD SECRETARY AS WELL AS REDUCE SIZE COPIES THAT CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE BOARD. UH AND THEN TO COMPLETE OUR EXHIBITS FOR THIS EVENING. I HAVE ANOTHER UH, EXHIBIT THAT IS ALSO, UH IN PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ELECTRONICALLY, SO IT'S ON THE ACTUALLY GO TO IT. NOW IT'S UH, SERIES OF THREE IMAGES EXISTING CONDITION OR I'M SORRY, AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE SITE. FROM GOOGLE MAPS IN 2003. AN AERIAL IMAGE FROM 2013. AND A COPY OF THE FINAL PLAN RECORDED AT THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE IN 1995. THEY CREATED THIS LOT, SO ALL THREE OF THEM IS GOING TO BE A FOUR AS A PACKAGE OR DO I HAVE IT STAPLED AS A PACKAGE, SIR, IF THAT'S OK, SO TELL ME AGAIN. WHAT'S THE DESCRIPTION OF EXHIBIT A THREE ITS FIRST PAGE? IS UH, AN AERIAL. A THREE. THE VARIANT A REVISED OH, I'M SORRY. A REVISED VARIANCE PLAN LAST REVISED APRIL 25TH 2024. AND THEN AND 84. A FOUR IS, UH FOUR. UM COPY SHEETS. SHE ONE BEING AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE SITE. FROM GOOGLE MAPS IN 2013. THE SECOND PAGE BEING AN AERIAL IMAGE FROM 2003. SECOND ONE AND ALSO GOOGLE. OK BOTH THE SAME SOURCE JUST DIFFERENT DATES. AND THEN THE, UH, THIRD PAGE IN IN A FOUR. IS, UH, COPY OF THE FINAL PLAT. THAT WAS RECORDED IN THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE IN 1995 THAT CREATED THE OK, AND WHAT'S SHE FOR? I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WERE FOUR CHIEFS NO. JUST THREE JUST THREE. IT'S A FOUR. OKAY? MR CHAIRMAN, AND MR DRILL. THERE'S ACTUALLY ALSO WE INTRODUCED A THREE, WHICH IS THE REVISED VARIANCE PLAN AND THAT REVISION DATE. AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS ON THE SCREEN. AS WE WALKED INTO THIS EVENING'S MEETING. IT'S A NON COLORIZED VERSION OF THAT PLAN. UM AND PERHAPS WE CAN MARK THIS AS, UH, IS A FIVE. IT'S THE SAME PLAN. WITH THAT AERIAL IMAGE IS A COLOR RENDERED
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VERSION IN A FIVE IS BLACK AND WHITE. THAT'S FINE. AND IT'S WITH THE SAME AERIAL COLORIZED IMAGE THAT WAS UM, I BELIEVE MARKED AS EITHER A ONE OR A TWO AT THE LAST HEARING A TWO AND IT'S JUST BASICALLY A TWO WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN. UM SO THE SUBJECT OF THE SS. UH, MEETING IS THE BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE BLESSING OF THE EXISTING CONDITION. AT THE SITE THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. YOU'LL SEE. BY AND SHOULD I WAIT UNTIL THE IMAGES ARE WE COULD PASS OUT TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS. MY AN APTITUDE. MM. MM. ONE THING. SO THE BUT I JUST DESCRIBED AS UM THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, AND I'M REFERRING TO A FOUR SHEET ONE. WHICH IS THE 2013 AERIAL IMAGE, AND THEN JUST BELOW IT. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE PROVIDED THE 2013. THE GOOGLE MAPS IMAGE FROM 20 YEARS EARLIER, WASN'T QUITE AS CLEAR BUT CERTAINLY ILLUSTRATES THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS BEING THE POOL IN THE REAR YARD. THE POOL HOUSE THE WALKWAYS TO AND FROM THE DWELLING, THE DRIVEWAY, THE DWELLING ITSELF. AND THE PATIO IS AT THE REAR OF THE DWELLING AS WELL AS THE WALKWAYS TO AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THE TREES ARE SMALLER, CORRECT. SO OUR OUR INTENT IN IN PROVIDING THESE EXHIBITS IS THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO HAVE BLESSED THAT IS THE NON CONFORMING 27.2% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE WHERE 19% IS PERMITTED. THAT IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS 15% BUT THERE'S A CURRENT ZONING , UH, ALLOWS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 4% FOR POOLS. SO IN THIS CASE, THE ALLOWABLE IS 19. AND WE'RE AT 27.2 THAT THAT EXISTING 27.2% IN PREVIOUS COVERAGE AS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, SO THE RESULT OF THE IMPACT OF THOSE NONCONFORMITY. UNLIKE PERHAPS OTHER APPLICATIONS, THIS BOARD MAY CONSIDER HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME. THERE HAVE BEEN UH, CONSIDERABLE TIME SINCE THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE WHERE UH, ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS COULD HAVE BEEN VETTED OUT. AND TO OUR THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE. THERE HAVE BEEN NO REPORTED ADVERSE IMPACTS FROM A SOMEONE WANT A RUNOFF STANDPOINT OR DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, BOTH ON THE SITE.ANY EXISTING NEIGHBORS OR TO THE COMMUNITY AS A RESULT OF THIS NONCONFORMITY. UM WHAT YOU MENTIONED A FIVE WHAT IS A FIVE? I DON'T KNOW. I I TOLD YOU THAT, UH, WE HAD A CO COLORIZED VERSION OF THE OF THE CURRENT VARIANCE PLAN LAST REVISED THAT'S A THREE YOU ACTUALLY MARKED AS THE FULL SIZE NON COLORIZED VERSION. I THINK WHEN YOU LAST REFERRED TO HIM, YOU REFERRED TO HIM IN REVERSE, WHICH IS FINE. WE CAN NUMBER THEM EITHER WAY, BUT A THREE AND A FIVE ARE IDENTICAL, BUT FOR THE AERIAL IMAGE THAT COLORIZES THEM. NOW I'M HAVING A MOMENT YOU IT'S FINE. SO HOLD ON IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD A ONE WHICH IS COLOR RENDERED VARIANCE PLAN LESS SUR BY JANUARY, 8 WE ALSO HAD A TWO, WHICH WAS A LIST OF PERMITS. WHERE THIS YOU'RE SAYING WE HAD AN A THREE FROM FEBRUARY? NO, NO, JUST FROM THIS EVENING. SHOW ME A THREE PLEASE.
CAN SOMEONE SHOW ME A THREE PAPER COPY OF DAY THREE. I. I JUST HANDED UH, THE BOARD SECRETARY, THREE COPIES OF IT FULL SIZE. IS THIS C THREE? WE'RE WE'RE CALLING THAT A FIVE BECAUSE A THREE WAS. HERE'S THE HERE'S A THREE. LET ME SHOW YOU RIGHT ON THE SCREEN. I UNDERSTAND. WHERE IS THE PAPER COPY OF A THREE LET ME HAVE ONE. THANK YOU. NOW AGAIN. I'M WITH YOU NOW. YEAH. OK? AND SO YOU HAVE A THREE A FOUR IS THE THREE SHEET PACKET IN A FIVE IS THE SAME AS A THREE BUT COLORIZED, AND THAT'S THE REDUCED 11 BY 17 TEAMS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE BOARD DOWN THE CREDENZA. SURE. THANK YOU. SO AS A INDICATED SINCE THE INITIAL
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SUBMITTAL UH OR AT THE TIME OF THE INITIAL SIL IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. THE APPLICATION INCLUDED A MINOR SMALL ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE DWELLING SOME 72 SQUARE FEET. IN SIZE AND THE BOARD HEARD AT THE FEBRUARY 27TH HEARING THAT THAT 72 FT SQUARE FOOT ADDITION WAS OVER SOME EXISTING IMPERVIOUS AND THEN OTHER, UH, SMALL AREA OF A PATIO WAS TO BE REMOVED, RESULTING IN A NET ZERO INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. AS MR POWERS INDICATED IN OUR INTRODUCTION THIS EVENING. SINCE THIS UM FEBRUARY 27TH HEARING AND TODAY UNFORTUNATELY, AND SADLY, MISTER THOMAS WIFE HAS PASSED AWAY. AND IN CONTINUING AND SCHEDULING THE HEARING FOR THIS EVENING. THE DECISION WAS MADE TO WITHDRAW THE ASPECT OF THE APPLICATION THAT INCLUDED ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE. THAT IS THE 72 SQUARE FOOT EDITION. THE DISTURBANCE TO ACCESS THE SITE FOR THAT ADDITION AND THE REMOVAL OF SOME 20 SQUARE FEET OF SMALL PATIO AREA. THE ONLY ASPECT OF THE APPLICATION THAT REMAINS THEN IS APPROVAL. FOR THE EXISTING NON CONFORMING IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAT EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. AND AS I JUST, UM REFERENCED. ON EXHIBITS. ON EXHIBIT. A FOR UM, THE AERIAL PHOTOS. UM, DEMONSTRATE THAT AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD THAT MR THOMAS AND HIS WIFE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY.IN 2016 SO THAT WAS AFTER EVEN THE 2013 AERIAL IMAGE. THAT SHOWS ALL OF THOSE EXISTING SITE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE. SO THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE SITE DONE BY MR THOMAS, THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER THAT EXACERBATED OR RESULTED IN THOUGH, THAT NONCONFORMITY THAT SINGLE NONCONFORMITY ALL THE OTHER BULK STANDARDS. ARE MET. BY THE EXISTING CONDITION, BUT FOR THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE SO THE APRIL 25TH PLAN THAT WE PASSED DOWN TO CREDENZA. IT'S THE NON COLORIZED VERSION IS ON THE SCREEN. REFLECTS THE CURRENT APPLICATION, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE REMOVAL OF ALL THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SITE. SO NOW THERE IS NO DISTURBANCE PROPOSED AT THE SITE. UH AND SIMPLY AS MR POWERS UM DESCRIBE WE WISH TO ASSIST MR THOMAS IN PROTECTING HIMSELF SUCH THAT SHOULD HE CHOOSE TO UM, SELL THE PROPERTY. UH, A CLEAN TITLE COULD BE PASSED. AND WHILE SINCE 2016 MR THOMAS HAS BEEN IN THE HOUSE AND AT THE PROPERTY, HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF HAVING BEEN SIDED WITH ANY UM NOTICE OF VIOLATION OR UM, A ZONING NONCONFORMITY BY THE YOU KNOW, AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION BY THE, UM TOWNSHIP. UM WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN HE FILED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT. UM FOR THE ADDITION.
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, RIGHT? THE CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT, UM IDENTIFIED THE NONCONFORMITY.
AND THERE WAS A LENGTHY PROCESS OF LOOKING AT HISTORY OF WHEN THAT HAPPENED. AND I THINK IT WAS CONCLUDED. AS I'VE ALREADY STATED THAT NONE OF IT HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF ACTIONS BY MR THOMAS BUT WAS ACTIONS MADE BY THE PRIOR PROPERTY OWNER AND IN FACT UM THERE WERE ASPECTS OF THOSE PRIOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE THE SUBJECT OF UM, CONSTRUCTION PERMITS AND, UH, CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL FOR OCCUPANCY OF THOSE ELEMENTS. SO WHAT WE WOULD ASSERT TO THE BOARD IS THAT UM AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE, NOT ONLY DID WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT FOR MR THOMAS. TO IDENTIFY THIS NONCONFORMITY, BUT THERE WAS REALLY NO WAY A METHOD FOR HIM TO YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH AN OPRAH REQUEST THAT THE TOWNSHIP TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE WAS AN EXISTING NONCONFORMITY SO WE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY AT THE TIME OF TAKING TITLE. JUST TWO THINGS. NORMALLY YOU GUYS TONIGHT? YOU WANT THE VARIANCE PLAN THAT WE
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HAVE MARKED AS A THREE APPROVED CORRECT. CORRECT NORMALLY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON FILE 10 DAYS BEFORE, BUT IN MY OPINION IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE THE VARIANT PLANT ACTUALLY HAS ELIMINATED THINGS THEY PROPOSED AND HASN'T ADDED ANY LEGALLY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE BOARD GRANTS THE VARIANCE TO ACTUALLY APPROVE. THIS VARIANCE PLAN. THAT'S NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO. I ASSUME YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY C ONE HARDSHIP ARGUMENT. YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE AC TWO ARGUMENT, HAVING SOMETHING TO DO WITH IF HE HAD TO REMOVE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. IT WOULD BE A WORSE THING FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE AND LEAVING THEM THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.YOU'RE GOING TO BE TESTIFYING TO I'M GONNA GET THERE, OK? YEAH. SO DESCRIBE. I DID NOT HAVE TO DRAW A PICTURE. AND DECIDE DESCRIBED THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AS FAR AS THE SURROUNDING CONDITIONS. THE SITE AS I INDICATED ON A FOUR YOU'LL SEE THE LAST PAGE AS A SUBDIVISION MAP. UM, THAT'S THE LAST PAGE AFTER THE TWO AERIAL IMAGES SHOWS THE SUBDIVISION PLAN THAT CREATED THE LOT. IT WAS PART OF A COMMUNITY FORMALLY KNOWN AS BEATEN BROOK FARM. IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1995. BASICALLY A CLUSTER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITH SUBSTANTIAL OPEN SPACE, AND IT HAS A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT BASIN FOR THE COMMUNITY, LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF GATEWAY DRIVE AND BENS BROOK ROAD, AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE LAST PAGE OF A FOUR AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY ARE SERVICED BY PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER. AND WITH REGARDS TO OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, BOTH OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AS YOU FACE THE PROPERTY FROM LOU HERRING WAY TO OUR LEFT AND RIGHT ARE BOTH ONE ACRE LOTS. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE OR ONE ACRE LOTS. UH AND THEN I THINK, UH, WHAT'S UM, NO WORTHY OF NOTING IS THAT FLAT ALSO ILLUSTRATES AS PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. THAT WAS A LOT ESTABLISHED TO THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY. WHICH IS OVER FIVE ACRES IN SIZE. BUT ACTUALLY HAS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT PLACED ON IT. WHICH IS SOME 3.57 ACRES IN SIZE, SO THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL AREA IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THIS SITE ON THE NEIGHBORING LARGER LOT. THAT WAS ENCUMBERED BY CRITICAL AREAS TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WAS PLACED IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, AND AMONG THOSE CRITICAL AREAS WAS A WETLAND AREA, SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE FROM THE AESTHETICS OR UM, WHEN YOU GAUGE THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROPERTY ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, AND I'LL , UH THEN DESCRIBE NOW SOME CRITICAL ELEMENTS IN THAT REGARD. SO THE BASIC DRAINAGE PATTERNS AT THE SITE OR THE FRONT OF THE SITE DRAINS TOWARD BLUE HANG ROAD, BASICALLY THE FRONT LAWN OUT. IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY DRAINS TOWARD THE EXISTING DRAINAGE EASEMENT ALONG THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY. THERE'S ACTUALLY A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAS DRAINAGE FEATURES IN IT, AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THE LOT THAT I JUST DESCRIBED WHICH IS BLOCK 30,001 LOT 16.08. WHICH INCLUDES THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT, SOME 3.57 ACRES IN SIZE. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM A, UH UH, A POTENTIAL ASSESSMENT OF ADVERSE IMPACTS IS NOT ONLY HAVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WE'RE SEEKING RELIEF FOR STOOD THE TEST OF TIME ALREADY. THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. UM WHEN GAUGING ANY POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT FROM STORMWATER RUNOFF. THE REAR OF OUR SITE WHERE THE EXISTING POOL POOL, HOUSE PATIOS AND OTHER IC AMENITIES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED, PRESUMABLY AFTER THE EXISTING DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED OR AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND THE RUNOFF FROM THOSE AREAS. DRAINS UH TOWARD A CONSERVATION AMUSEMENT ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. WITH REGARDS TO STORMWATER RUNOFF. EVEN THOUGH I'VE REALLY JUST DESCRIBED A SITUATION WHERE ONE YOU KNOW ANY ADVERSE IMPACT THAT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN TESTED AND TWO THE PRIMARY. I'LL SAY RECIPIENT OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE SITE. AND THE AREAS WHERE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ARE LOCATED AS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. AT THE TIME OF THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTAL IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.
THE APPLICANT. BEFORE ANY CONCERNS WERE RAISED ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF AND DRAINAGE.
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UM, THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR OFFICE, UH, ENGAGED OUR OFFICE TO EXPLORE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS WHERE SOME TYPE OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT MITIGATION COULD BE PROVIDED ON A SITE. AND AS YOU'LL SEE FROM THE A IMAGE. AND I'M GOING TO A FOUR SHEET ONE. THE SITE IS SUBSTANTIALLY WOODED IN LANDSCAPES, SO THERE'S TREES DOWN BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY TREES AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS, UM, IN THE FRONT, AND MAYBE EVEN A BETTER ILLUSTRATION WOULD BE THAT CURRENT AERIAL IMAGE THAT'S SUPERIMPOSED OVER THE VARIANCE PLAN, WHICH WE'VE MARKED AS A FIVE SO THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING ON THE SITE. AND EVEN WITH THAT, AND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS BEING THE WAY THEY WERE OR ARE IN IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MIDDLE OF THIS APPLICATION. EVEN WITH THAT DE MINIMIS, UH DISTURBANCE FOR THE 72 SQUARE FOOT EDITION. MISTER THOMAS ENGAGED OUR OFFICE TO PERFORM ON SITE SOIL TESTING IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO IDENTIFY AN AREA WHERE SOME TYPE OF STORMWATER MITIGATION COULD BE PROVIDED. AND THE RESULT OF THAT STORM WATER SOIL. UH, ANALYSIS. WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION IN NOVEMBER OF 2023 AND A HIGHLIGHT ON A FOR NOW. IN THE FRONT AREA OF THE LAW. THIS IS A GREAT GREEN, BIG GREEN ARROW. WHOEVER SET THIS UP, THIS IS NICE THAT IT'S CALLS ATTENTION. SO IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. UM THERE'S A VERY IF ANYBODY'S VISITED THE SITE.SIMILAR TO MOST OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE IN THE AREA. THIS IS A WELL MAINTAINED PROPERTY BY MR THOMAS. AND HE CLEARLY DIRECTED US WHEN PERFORMING THIS ON SITE SOIL TESTING TO ENDEAVOR TO HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT IMPACT. SO IN DOING THE SOIL PROFILE PITS AND IF ANYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH SWORM STORMWATER SOIL TESTING IT'S NOT A LITTLE. TWO BY TWO WHOLE, NORMALLY, IN ORDER TO DO SOME TYPE OF PERMEABILITY TESTING. IT'S THIS WHOLE. UH UH, FOR EVEN ONE SOIL TEST PIT. AS LARGE AS 5 . FT WIDE BY 10 FT. LONG IN ORDER TO DO A BASIN FLOOD TEST, WHICH IS THIS TYPICAL TYPE OF PERIL TEST THAT YOU WOULD DO IN FRACTURED SHALE. SO WHEN WE DID THE SOIL TESTING IN, THE FRONT YARD YARD. WE DID USE AN EXCAVATOR. THE TOPSOIL AND THE AND THE SOD AREA WERE CAREFULLY REMOVED AND PLACED ON LIKE I'LL SAY, CONSTRUCTION MATS HAVE YOU EVER SEEN LIKE YOU KNOW STEEL PLATES THAT THEY PUT ON ROADS TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE GROUND UNDER IT ON THOSE MATS SO THAT THE AREA THAT THIS MATERIAL WAS REMOVED IN ORDER TO PERFORM, THE EXCAVATION WAS PLACED ON SITE IN AN AIR IN A IN A MANNER SUCH THAT IT WOULDN'T DISTURB THE GROUND BELOW IT. AND THE TESTING WAS DONE IN THE FRONT OF YOUR MARK. IN THE REAR YARD. DUE TO THE SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING AND, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THERE, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE. THERE REALLY WASN'T A WAY FOR ACCESS FOR AN EXCAVATING MACHINE. SO AFTER THE SOIL TESTING WAS FORMED IN THE FRONT AREA AND THE RESULTS CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS POOR, PERMEABILITY AND SHALLOW DEPTH OF GROUNDWATER. WE STILL ENDEAVOR TO TRY TO DO SOIL TESTING IN THE REAR AREA TO IDENTIFY WHETHER THAT WAS A SUITABLE SITE FOR SOIL TESTING, AND THOSE TEST PITS WERE ACTUALLY HAND DUG BECAUSE GETTING ANY KIND OF EXCAVATING EQUIPMENT TO THE REAR LAWN AREA AND I'M HIGHLIGHTING IT NOW. WOULD HAVE HAD A SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING UH, LANDSCAPE AND HARDSCAPE AT THE SITE. AND THE RESULTS OF THAT. REAR SOIL TESTING WERE SIMILAR TO THE FRONT IN THAT IT WAS SHALLOW DEPTH OF GROUNDWATER AND POOR PERMEABILITY. SO THE SITE SOILS AS CONCLUDED IN THAT NOVEMBER 2023 REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION CONCLUDED THAT THE SITE SOILS ARE NOT SUITABLE TO SUPPORT ANY TYPE OF INFILTRATION. STORM WATER MANAGE, B MP, OR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE AN INFILTRATION BASIN, A BIO RETENTION BASIN OR UH, IN OTHER WORDS, A RAIN GARDEN TYPE OF, UH, INFILTRATION BASIN AND WITHOUT INFILTRATION FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. UM THERE'S NO EFFECTIVE WAY TO REDUCE THE VOLUME THAT RUNOFF OF RUNOFF FROM THE SITE. IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE VOLUME FROM A RUNOFF FROM THE SITE. THAT WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE AND THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF INFILTRATION. B MP AND IN THIS CASE, THE SITE SOILS ARE
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NOT SUITABLE FOR THAT. SO IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF SOME REVIEW COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. IN ADVANCE OF THE FEBRUARY HEARING. THAT THERE WAS AN EFFORT BY THE APPLICANT. TO LOOK AT STORMWATER MITIGATION MEASURES. IT WAS IN ADVANCE OF THAT, AND WE CONCLUDED THAT THE SITE IS REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR UM SOMEONE WATER MANAGEMENT MITIGATION OF THAT TYPE.SURE. OKAY, SO THE APPLICATION INCLUDED AS YOU KNOW. THERE'S UH, UNDERLYING REQUIREMENT AS PART OF ANY LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION TO PROVIDE FOR 14 SHADE TREES PER GROSS ACRE OF SITE. UM, I'LL OFFER THAT UH, A SIMILAR TYPE OF REQUIREMENT. 12 YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT CORRECT ? THAT'S CORRECT IF ANYONE OF THE BOARD EXPERTS THINK THAT THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENT TO PLANT SHADE TREES IF THERE'S NO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NOW TAKE IT RIGHT OFF YOUR LIST. THERE'S NO NEED TO PROVIDE ANY SHADE TREES, SO NO NEED TO SEEK AN EXCEPTION FROM IT. IF YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DEVELOPMENTS I'M THAT'S NOT MY RULE. I'M ADVISING THE BOARD.
I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THE ONLY REASON WE ADDRESS IT IS THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. SO IN SUPPORT OF THE I CAN SEE THERE'S SPEED IT UP, MIKE GET TO THE C TWO VARIANT THING. THAT'S THE THAT'S YOUR CASE. THAT'S THE WHOLE CASE YOU WANNA HAVE APPROVED? WHAT'S THERE? SO THE SO THE APPLICATION? UH FROM THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CRITERIA.
THERE WE GO, SO WE BELIEVE THAT IT CAN BE CONCLUDED THAT THE PURPOSES THAT THAT THAT'S APPLICATION CAN ADVANCE THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES OF THE MLUL. NUMBER ONE TO PROMOTE PROMOTE CONSERVATION OF HISTORIC SITES. DISTRICTS OPEN SPACE ENERGY NATURAL RESOURCES ARE VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES. AND WHAT I'LL GET TO IN THAT IS THAT IF THE APPLICANT WAS REQUIRED TO REMOVE SOME OF THE EXISTING HARDSCAPE ON THE SITE TO TRY TO GET CLOSER TO THAT 19% THRESHOLD THAT WOULD REQUIRE FIRST DISTURBANCE OF VERY WELL MAINTAINED AND AESTHETICALLY PLEASING SIGHT.
AND THEN THE NEED TO TAKE THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT IS THE WALKWAYS THAT SERVE A PURPOSE.
NOW THE PATHWAYS, UH, THAT SERVE A PURPOSE, THE PATIOS THAT SERVE A PURPOSE FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. TAKE THAT MATERIAL. AND PUT IT IN A LANDFILL. AND THEN THOSE ADVERSE POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS OF THOSE CHANGES IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THERE'S WE'VE ALREADY SEEN FOR 20 YEARS.
THE TEST THAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS DON'T PROMOTE OR PROVIDE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO OUR NEIGHBORS OR ON SITE OR THE PUBLIC. AND IT'S UNKNOWN. WHAT MAY, UH FALL OUT OF ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE. SO THAT'S TWO J. THAT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S NOT PROMOTING THE CONSERVATION OF THE HISTORIC SITE AND DISTRICT IT'S PRO. IT'S PROMOTING THE CONSERVATION OF ENERGY RESOURCES , CORRECT AND VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES BY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED FOR 20 YEARS AND TAKING THEM OUT AND PUTTING THEM IN A LANDFILL. FOR NO REAL UM APPRECIABLE POSITIVE OUTCOME OR RESULT. I THINK IT ALSO COULD BE ARGUED. UM THAT THE UM, APPLICATION. ADVANCES THE PURPOSES OF MLULC TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE LIGHT AIR AND OPEN SPACE. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED THE MATTER OF YOU KNOW, ON SITE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT MITIGATION IN THE FORM OF INFILTRATION, AND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS POTENTIALLY LIKE A DRY WELL THAT ALL THE ROOF LEADERS COULD BE CONNECTED TO AND WE WOULD PROMOTE INFILTRATION IN THE GROUND. THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR US.
CERTAINLY, THOUGH, YOU COULD PUT AND THIS IS NOT CUSTOMARY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT AN ABOVE GROUND DETENTION BASIN IF YOU WILL. THAT WOULD HAVE, I THINK. IN OUR OPINION. UM SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS IF YOU IF YOU'RE DOING IT TO MITIGATE FOR THE EXISTING WHAT ABOUT TWO G? SHE IS. YEAH. PROVIDING LADY AN OPEN FACE. YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING IT HERE. YOU'RE NO, WE'RE MAINTAINING IT. HOW ABOUT TWO G? PROVIDING SUFFICIENT SPACE AND AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
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RESIDENTIAL RECREATIONAL USE TO PROMOTE THE DESIRABLE, DESIRABLE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT THROUGH CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT TECHNIQUES AND GOOD CIVIC DESIGN ARGUMENTS, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ALSO COULD BE ADVANCED. LOOK AT TWO G. YEAH TWO. G IS A SUFFICIENT SPACE. TWO EYES DESIRABLE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT. YOU WANT TWO G? YEAH, ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT CONNECTS AND IS, UH I'LL SAY A MORE DETAILED WAY OF DESCRIBING C, YOU KNOW, BY PROVIDING THAT ADEQUATE IF AND IF I COULD FINISH IF WE IF WE DISTURB THE LAND TRIED TO PUT IN SOME TYPE OF ABOVE GROUND. UM MITIGATION.WE HAVE OPEN LAND AREA HERE. THAT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE OPEN SPACE USE OF THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. AND UH, IT PERHAPS WOULD REQUIRE REMOVAL OF TREES ALONG THE EXISTING BOUNDARY IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR A BERM GRATING UP TO A BERM BACK DOWN TO A DETENTION BASIN AND BACK UP SO YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL. IT'S YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING I WOULD TYPICALLY DISCUSS ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. EVEN IN THAT EXTREME CONDITION WHERE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT NEED OR EFFORT TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF ON SITE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. THE DETRIMENTS OF PROVIDING SAME ON THIS PROPERTY, I THINK FALL OUT FAR OUTWEIGH ANY POTENTIAL BENEFIT BECAUSE IT'S A LOCAL AND IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING WITH STORMWATER AND I'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED WHY. THE LACK OF ANY INFILTRATION WOULDN'T CHANGE THE VINE OF RUNOFF, SO WE'D STILL HAVE THE SAME V.
FINE, I THINK. TWO G AND TWO J. I THINK YOU'RE THERE. THAT'S JUST MY I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO ANY FURTHER ON ADVANCING. YOU ALREADY DID THE NEGATIVE CRITERION. THERE'S GOING TO BE NO NEGATIVE STORM WATER, YOU KNOW SO MUCH LEFT, RIGHT, RIGHT? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE? NO. YES, YOU DO. CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM IF THERE WAS ANY, UH, ADDITIONS MADE TO THE BACKYARD OR THE SURROUNDING AREA AROUND THE PROPERTY? THIS IS YES. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. NO HE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO FURTHER REDUCE MR THOMAS IS UNDER OATH. HE WAS SWORN IN LAST TIME. COME ON UP, MR THOMAS. HAVE YOU? MADE ANY OUTDOOR IMPROVEMENTS SINCE YOU PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, ACCORDING IN 2016. WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY SINCE OUR PURCHASE OF THE THATERTY. THANK YOU.K O UH, IN ASE C, I, THINK I, UHTHE, OFESSIPRALS NEONED TADDRESO SYTHINGANERE. H NO. I DN'TID CALLSOIN. SO I'DIKE T L UH,O, APPL M FIONOTO APPR TEOV ATIONIC PBA 09, 63 ON THE NRTONDITI CSON VIA THEIA. C TWOC VARIASNT O NOT, RI THIS IE ONES F THE OW WHATAT EVER. DON'T IHINK T YOU'OF COND TIONSDIO S CORRROVI ANG. WH'S TATRE?HE T? IEC DON EVEN 'TINK THTHAT ANCONDITY NS. CIODITIONONS. WE AGE. I DRE'TONHINK I TE SEEN'V TH.AT GOT BE LETA THANSS LE, MES INTI 3YEARS.5 NEVER MOTIT. MENHMMM- COULD HAVE IA , PLEAON?SE MM. GREAT UH, THK YAN, MROU WMART.ALHANKS TR M . UM,AN YOU CALL CHE T ROLL? VIDE PLEERE. DIASDOU WAT Y THECH O? NO.K, THA O YOU.NKH U SO OSI AREOT ELI NBLEGI TO VE E HWASN'TE ERE ON H FEUARY, BRTH27 TSEHO Y.ES UH, . RONTHAL.SEALMART W WHAT YOU. BRONZE. YES,ND A VSANTHANK HANK T YOU. A MRNDHOMAS T .ANK YOTH SO MUUCHOR COM FGIN TO BEREFO THE BRDOA TO FOALIZERM IS ANDTH I'M I VERY,'MERY V R YOURFOOSS. L A THANKND YOU. ALL RHTIG, UH, VIEMOIGHT R IS B THE NTEX APPLITIONCA AT6 0 TAKE3 2. THEPPLICA ANT STELLISAR LDAN ASSETS LLC BCKLO 35 001 LOTS015 AN 116.D LY KNOWN AS 1045 ROUTE06 2 S A MA IRJO SE PLAITNND A
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CE TCONVERO THE T ESTINGXI , UH, VANTCAWO STO TRYFFICE O BUDINGSIL, UH,O NEW TTOMOBIAULE A SERVINDCE FACILYITTHE. PIRATIEX DONEATF THE O APICATIOPLNS I MAY 28TH 2024 PUBLOF NIFICATOTNIO AND ATIONIC ANDREVIOU PY FOUNSL DTO BE S PREVWAUSLY FIONDOU TO CHAIRDERIN. SE.UROOD EV GINGEN,R AN. RMMYAME IS N JAY. I'M B SCHIR WH THEITAW F LMIR OF ER, PLLTINGERITND A GALN PRESENRETHE APP TCANT.LI BOARIEFL, I WANY.T TO TE THELL D H IOW TO PREED. TOCN MY FRTALLING CITNESS W.ES ST WIRNESSIT WILL BCHARLEE S RONA, COO IS TWHHE PRINCAL OFIP HIM PLICE T.ANRIMARI PLY CALLING USETO DIUSSSC THEROPOSE PD . ERE WATHS AUESTIO QNAISED R IN MR AVELLFL. HE REPOR'ST THAT FORKILARIFI CTION OCAF . THEI GONNN PUTA ONUR DAVE ERHMIDT.SCHO WIL W LSTIFY.TEBOUT AHE DES TNIGF THEO SITEHE. WL ADDRILSES MOSTF O ETH WANT I TSTARTO ITH W THE ANNINGPL REPOR YOU WT.L S MOSOF THET TEMS IN THE I PLNING RANORT.EP YOUAVE AN H ARITECT.CH WELL THEN ALL UP TO DEAL WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES RAISED IN THE PLANNING REPORT. A BIFURCATING MR SCHMIDT'S TESTIMONY. UM UNFORTUNATELY, WE WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THE PROFESSIONAL REPORTS AND OUTSIDE AGENCY REPORTS YOU'VE RECEIVED AND I ALSO HAVE, UH JOHN MCDONOUGH, WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER. GREAT. IT DOES. YEAH. I. I LIKE TO SWEAR EVERYONE IN SO I DON'T HAVE TO FORGET TO DO IT DURING. SO ANYONE WHO MR BOWEN MENTIONED AS A WITNESS, COME ON UP. YEAH. BUT . OK WELL, JUST REMIND ME TO SWEAR IN EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE BOARD EXPERTS RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. BECAUSE EVERYONE'S MICROPHONE. EVERYONE SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IN THIS MATTER WILL BE THE TRUTH. FALSE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. START THERE. I DO. I DO. AND COULD EVERYONE START DOWN THERE? IDENTIFY YOURSELF. SPELL YOUR LAST NAME AND GIVE YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICANT OR THE BOARD AS THE CASE MAY BE.CAN EVERYBODY GO INTO THE MICROPHONE? GET CLOSE TO THE MICROPHONE. SO YOU'RE PICKED UP ON THE VIDEO. THANK YOU. RALPH FELLI F AS IN FRANK IMELL I AN ARCHITECT. APPLICANTS.
ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT YES, SIR. CHARLES CARONIA CARONI A NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE BEER OR THE DISEASE AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRINCIPAL OWNER OF STELLAR LANDS. OK, SO YOU WERE A MANAGING MEMBER OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS AN LLC. I AM. DAVID SCHMIDT, CHM ID T. I'M THE APPLICANTS CIVIL ENGINEER LICENSE. JAMES CLAVELL CLABELLI. I AM THE BOARD. UH, PLANNING EXPERT. I CAN DD A RJ I. I AM THE LEARNING BOARD ENGINEER. JOSEPH FINGER F ISA NG ER, THE BOARD'S TRAFFIC. RICHARD BARTONE B A RT OLON, A BOARD LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. OK, OK. MISTER CARONIA. YOU'VE ALREADY, UH, DESCRIBED YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICANT. UM COULD YOU BRIEFLY TELL THE BOARD WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE SITE? YEAH, YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND LIKE, THANKS. I'M LOOKING TO, UH EXPAND MY CHRYSLER DODGE JEEP DEALERSHIP THAT SHARES A PROPERTY LINE NEXT DOOR TO IT TO, UH AND SHOW TO INCORPORATE SHOWROOM TO, UM SHOW OFF NEW CHRYSLERS AND USED VEHICLES. UM AND TO MAINTAIN THEM, I GUESS TO STORE THEM TOO, ON THE LOT.
PRETTY MUCH IT. ARE. ARE YOU PROPOSING TO DO ANY REPAIRS OR SIMILAR SERVICE ON THIS LOT? UM, AS FAR AS TO THE VEHICLES. NO. AND WILL YOU ALSO HAVE OFFICES FOR YOUR DEALERSHIP ON THIS PROPERTY? UH, YES, THEY WILL. THEY WILL INCORPORATE MAYBE, UH, AN EIGHTH OF EACH BUILDING. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THERE. BUT MOSTLY FOR A SHOWROOM AND CAR STORAGE. AND, UM THAT THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE OF MR CRONY'S TESTIMONY. I THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS. UM, I DON'T THINK WE
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I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UH, MY ONLY QUESTION IS ABOUT AND MR DRILL. THIS IS, UM UH SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA GET TO LATER IS THE OTHER LOTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE APPLICATION. UM SO WHO'S THE BEST PERSON? ANSWER THAT QUESTION THAT THE REPORT SAID IT WAS LOTS THERE WAS A LOT A LOT 16 IS A LOT 10, AND THEY ARE ASKING WHAT LARGER PART OF THE APPLICATION WHAT LOTS ARE NOT WELL. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ON. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE 15? THE ADJACENT LOT THAT IS THE CURRENT CHRYSLER JEEP DEALERSHIP. WE'LL SEE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE A GATE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT THE EXISTING LOT IS WHAT WHAT NUMBER UH, WE CAN HAVE, UM, THE ENGINEER CAN TALK. OK, SO THE ANSWER IS WE HAVE THE ENGINEER DEAL WITH THAT. AND IN THAT CASE, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANKS, JAMES. UM YEP, UH, NOTING THAT THERE ARE NO WELL, THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE, BUT I ASSUME THAT THEY'RE ALL WITH YOU. THEY'RE ALL WITH US, OK? THANK YOU. UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE COMES THROUGH THE DOOR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I GOT IT. OK? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS. YEAH. I UNDERSTAND. MR SCHMIDT IS, UH, APPEARED BEFORE THIS FOR ONE OR TWO TIMES BEFORE, UM HOW MUCH DETAIL DO YOU WANT ON HIS? AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO ASK THAT HE BE QUALIFIED, SO I JUST SUBMITTED A BRIEF TODAY. CASE. WHERE THE BOARD AFRICAN ATTORNEY SAID. APPEAR BEFORE THIS BOARD IN OTHER CASES. SO, THE BOARD SAID. BOARD CHAIRMAN ACTUALLY DIDN'T SAY AS AN EXPERT THAT WE ACCEPT HIM. THE OBJECTORS NOW SAY, HEY, HE WASN'T QUALIFIED AND B. IF HE WAS QUALIFIED. WHAT WAS HE QUALIFIED AS SO OK? UM WOULD YOU PLEASE TURN THE BOARD WAS AT THE HEARING, BUT YOU GOT TO DEAL WITH THE DESCRIBE FOR THE BOARD YOUR PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION AND LICENSING. SURE UH, DAVID J SCHMIDT. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF DS ENGINEERING. I HAVE A CIVIL DEGREE AND CIVIL ENGINEERING DEGREE FROM NJIT. I'M IN NEW JERSEY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER FOR 28 YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN DESIGNING AND ENGINEERING FOR 38 YEARS. I'VE TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. UH FOR 28 YEARS, UH, ZONING BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD. I HAVE ALSO TESTIFIED IN PRINCETON, FRANKLIN. AND HILLSBOROUGH ARE MY PRIMARY AREAS OF TESTIFYING.I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE ASKING THAT HE BE ACCEPTED AS AN ENGINEERING EXPERT. AM I CORRECT? I AM OH, EXCEPT AS AN ENGINEERING EXPERT. THANK YOU. OK WOULD YOU? UM WITH REFERENCE TO THE PLANS AND ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS WE'VE SUBMITTED, DESCRIBED THE BASIC APPLICATION FOR THE BOARD. OH, YOU'RE SO WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH OKAY? I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY EXHIBITS, JOHN.
WHAT I HAVE IS THE SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WE SUBMITTED, UH, WAS A CONSISTING OF THREE SETS, WHICH ARE THE DRAWINGS THAT I'LL BE REFERRING TO. THEY ARE PART OF THE FILE.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE MARKED. OK SO THERE ARE THREE DRAWINGS THAT DATED AUGUST 24TH 2023 REVISED DECEMBER 21ST 2021. AND THEY ONLY 20. WHEN RIGHT? OK UM, AS WE HAVE ON THE SCREENS ON THOSE PLANS AGAIN. UH AUGUST 24TH 2023 REVISED DECEMBER 21ST 2023 OK. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EASTBOUND OF THE US HIGHWAY ROUTE, 206. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN OVER THERE TO THE LEFT IS ROUTE 206 ON THE TOP . PART OF THE SCREEN IS, UM, IS THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS UM, THEY LABELED WALL STREET UH, THE TOTAL AREA OF THE PROPERTY IS 1.9974 ACRES. UH, I STARTED OFF WITH THE LOT IS LOT 15 BLOCK 35 001. UM THE PROPERTY IS OWNED HC HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL AUTOMOBILE SALES THROUGH A FRANCHISE NEW CAR DEALERSHIP, WHICH IS A PERMITTED USE. UM AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNERS REVIEW, UM THERE ARE TWO EXTRA LOTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION LOT, 16, WHICH IS THE LOT BELOW THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO PART OF THIS
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APPLICATION BECAUSE WE'RE PROVIDING A CROSS ACCESS, UH, IS BEING PROVIDED TO THIS PROPERTY.SO THE OWNER OF LOCK 616, WHICH IS BAKER JEEP IS THE SAME OWNER AS LOT 15, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT. SO LOT 16 THE LOT ACCESS. BUT ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING PHYSICALLY? NO PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. IT'S THERE A BUDDING PROPERTY, SO WE WE'RE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY IMPROVEMENTS. WE ARE REMOVING PARKING SPACES, BUT NO IMPROVEMENTS. SO WE'RE PROVIDING THE OWNER OF PRINCETON JEEP, WHICH IS CHARLIE CORONA IS PURCHASING IS THE APPLICANT FOR LOT 15. WHICH IS THE PROPERTY REALLY? WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. UH HE IS PROVIDING AN ACCESS AND WHICH IS NICE IS THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 206 AND WALL STREET IS A SIGNALIZED ACCESS WAY, SO IT PROVIDES A SAFER ACCESS FOR HIS CUSTOMERS TO EXIT THE PROPERTY AND MAKING INSTEAD OF MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN ON ROUTE 206. HE CAN GO TO WALL STREET AND UTILIZE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE ELIMINATING SPACES. YOU'RE JUST GETTING RID OF THE STRIPES OR YOU'RE TAKING OUT THE JUST ELIMINATING THE STRIPES AND I GO INTO FURTHER TESTIMONY AS WE MOVE ON. OK THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS LOT 10, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY. TO THE EAST. I DID SORRY. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE MOUSE OR HOW DO I MOVE THE SCREEN? USE THE LITTLE SLIDER AT THE BOTTOM. A LITTLE.
LYING DOWN THERE. I GOT YOU. THIS IS THE COMPLICATED PART OF THIS APPLICATION. OKAY? NOW WE HAVE LOT 15, WHICH IS THE OVERALL PROP PROPERTY, AND THEN WE HAVE LOT 10. NOW, LOT 10 HAS ACCESS THROUGH THIS THROUGH THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE ENTRANCE WAY, WHICH IS ON LOT 15, SO HE GETS ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY THROUGH LOTS 15. SO WE HAVE AN INGRESS EGRESS EASEMENT WE'RE PROVIDING SO THAT WHEN THIS PURCHASE GOES THROUGH, HE HAS ACCESS SO LOT 10 AND BLOCK F-35 00 EAST OF LOT 15 IS PART OF THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHARED ACCESS AGREEMENT. OK AND IS REQUIRED FOR REQUIRED THROUGH PROPERTY LAW. 15 THE OWNER OF LA 10 IS THE SAME OWNER AS LOT 15. IT'S JEFFREY SANDS, SO THE OWNER OF 15 IS THE OWNER OF 10 AND FOR US TO GET AN AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE AND UTILIZE THAT THAT EASEMENT WE NEED TO HAVE A CROSS EASEMENT SO THAT HE CAN ACCESS HIS PROPERTY AFTER THIS IS PURCHASED. CHANGES. LOT 10. NO. AS IS JUST JUST WITH THE CROSS ACCESS CROSS ACCESS. EVEN OK, IT'S THERE. WE HAVE TWO LOTS ON ONE OWNERSHIP, AND THE ISSUE IS AND THE EASEMENT IS ONLY ON LOT 15. ON LOT, 15. THE ISSUE IS IN BOTH CASES. YES. FOR THE EASEMENT. THE ACCESS EASEMENT ON LOT. 15 IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF LOT 16.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE FOR THE BENEFIT OF LOT, 10. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, THERE'S REALLY NO EASEMENT FOR LOT. 15 TO 16 BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE A BUDDY. YEAH, SO THERE'S REALLY NO USE SAME OWNERSHIP. SAME SAME BENEFICIAL OWNERS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S UP TO YOU. BUT WHAT IF YOU WANT TO SELL ONE OF THOSE FOR YOU? WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON THAT SEASON.
WANNA PUT ANY ON THERE. WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT. FUTURE PLANNING. MAYBE YOU'LL HEAR SOMETHING FROM THE YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN LOT 10 HAS PARKING THAT IT NEEDS IN MY OPINION. THAT'S ON LOT, 15. SO WHAT WE DID WE CARVED OUT TWO EASEMENT AND INGRESS EGRESS, EASEMENT AND THEN ANOTHER EASEMENT THAT RUNS DOWN THE PROPERTY THAT PROVIDES THE PARKING SPACES. UM AND THE TRASH ENCLOSURE. THAT'S THERE THAT IS UTILIZED BY LAW, 10. SO HE DOESN'T LOSE OUT PARKING AND HE DOESN'T LOSE OUT THE TRASH AND KOSHER BECAUSE THERE THAT BUILDING IS USING THAT DUMPSTER AND THAT PARKING FOR THAT BUILDING AND LOT. 15 WAS ALSO USING THAT DUMPSTER. FOR THAT. PROPERTY SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CREATING AN EASEMENT LINE WITHOUT ADJUSTING THE PROPERTY LINE. IS THAT ALL CLEAR? IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK I UNDERSTAND IT. I MEAN, IT'S IT IS, BUT IT'S THE SAME OWNER. SAME PEOPLE INVOLVED. EVERYONE SIGNED OFF ON IT, AND WE'RE WILLING IN ACCORDANCE TO SULLIVAN'S LETTER OF SOME AND AS FAR AS RAKES MORE VERBAGE MORE DETAIL, BUT THAT'S HOW WE'RE
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TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH PARTIES WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID DONE, THAT A LOT OF TANK CAN OPERATE THE WAY HE NEEDS TO OPERATE, AND CHARLIE CAN OPERATE THE WAY AND THERE'S NO LOSS OF ACCESS LOT. 10 DOES HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE ONTO, UH, WALL STREET, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO KNOCK OFF CIRCULATION. SO WE FIND TO JUST PROVIDE EASEMENTS. UM SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. UM, WHAT WE AS WE MOVE ON. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT CLEARED IT UP FOR ME AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS. I HAVE REGARDING THE EASEMENT. UM AND MAYBE YOU ALREADY COVERED THIS STATEMENT, AND MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT. I IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE THE ONE LARGE. I GUESS IT APPEARS TO BE 50 FT WIDE. THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THAT LINE. THEN, AS AT G CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE, THERE'S ANOTHER EASEMENT WITHIN THAT. RIGHT I THINK WE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS AN INGRESS EGRESS EASEMENT, AND THEN WE'RE DOING AN OVERALL EASEMENT FOR THE PARKING. WE WERE SEPARATING THE TWO AND I I'M NOT HE. YOU KNOW, I WASN'T PART OF THAT. UH, THAT WAS MORE. UM UH, JEFFREY SANDS AND THE, UH I BELIEVE IT WAS YOUR PART AS WELL AS LEO GIBBONS, UM BUT IT IS A SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CLEAR UP. BUT I THINK WE I THINK WE NEED TO. I THINK WE NEED A SHARED CROSS EASEMENT. AND THEN WE NEED A SEPARATE EASEMENT FOR THE PARKING YEAH, I'M I'M JUST WONDERING. I MEAN, I CAN'T POINT TO IT, BUT THERE'S A TRIANGLE IN THERE THAT I THAT THAT IS CONFUSING I. I AGREE, AND I WOULD STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. BUT I'M JUST THE WHOLE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE. YOU KNOW? S ALONG BUT I AGREE. YEAH I MEAN, I. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. LIKE YOU HAVE A TRAPEZOID SORT OF SHAPE. HE JUST OFF THE DRIVEWAY. WHICH IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A IT'S JUST A TRAPEZOID THERE THAT I THINK THE INTENT WAS IF YOU HAVE THE OVERALL 50 FT EASEMENT IN THE TRAPEZOIDAL IS IN ITS CARVING OUT. THE CHARLIE HAS THE RIGHT TO CROSS OVER AND UTILIZE AS WELL. I THINK IT'S JUST SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A SHARED AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT 50 FT EASEMENT WITHIN THAT 50 FT. IT'S NOT PROHIBITING CHARLIE THAT USE THAT ENTRANCE. SO I'M JUST AND I. I TOTALLY GET IT. AND I'M I'M I DON'T THINK THAT ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I'M I'M UH, THE YOU HAVE THIS ONE? ITS 50. FT WIDE GOES THE WHOLE LENGTH. AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE F OF IT SHAPE, WHICH SAYS PROPOSED DRIVEWAY, BUT I'M WONDERING WHAT IS THE POINT OF THAT? I'M TELLING YOU, I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE IT GIVES THE PERMISSION. IF YOU'RE GRANTING THE ONE EASEMENT THAT GOES TO LOT, 10. OK NOW YOU ELIMINATE CHARLIE FROM GOING INTO HIS PROPERTY INTO THE SAME, HE HAS TO HAVE PERMISSION TO ENTER HIS PROPERTY THROUGH THAT EASEMENT. I MAKE A SUGGESTION.YEAH, I MEAN, NOW, IF THE BOARD FINISHES THIS TONIGHT, AND MAYBE I AGREED TO WORK WITH WITH WITH.
I THINK IT HAS GOT MAYBE SOME SORT OF WRITTEN DESCRIPTION OF THESE THINGS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT OUR LETTER ASKED. LABEL THEM LIKE WITH EASE A EASEMENT B AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, I WILL DO WHATEVER. AND I'M NOT THE ATTORNEY TO FIGURE OUT ALL THIS VERBIAGE, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE GETS TO CHANGE ONCE. IF THIS GETS APPROVED, YEAH, AND I THINK IT'S WHAT WE ASK FOR IS JUST SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE LIMITS OF THESE EVENTS. WHAT NUMBER IN YOUR REPORT THAT IS ACTUALLY NUMBER 16. UM ABC AND D. OK SO THAT WAS THE COMPLICATED PART OF MY TESTIMONY, UH, PROPOSED FOR LOT 15 AND BLOCK 35 001. WE'RE CONVERTING THE 22 STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS INTO A CAR DEALERSHIP, WHICH WILL REDUCE THE EXISTING CURRENT FIR FA R OF 0.4003 TO AN FA R OF 0.2813. WE SINCE WE'RE STILL OVER THE FA REQUIREMENT, WE NEED TO USE VARIANCE. UM, THERE ARE MINIMAL CHANGES TO THE PARKING LAYOUT AND THE VEHICLE CIRCULATION AND THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE LIGHTING AND UTILITIES. WE ARE PROPOSING TWO WALL MOUNTED SIGNS ON EACH BUILDING 22 SQUARE FEET. IS EACH AND THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IS 31 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WERE CONFORMING. UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT BECAUSE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 20 FT. AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE POST SIGNS AT 30 FT. AND WE WILL GO INTO THAT IN MORE TESTIMONY WITH THE ARCHITECT. PROPOSED LOT , 16, WHICH IS THE PRINCETON JEEP, WHICH IS THE LOT BELOW WHICH IS LOT SOUTH. WE'RE PROPOSING A CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN , UH, THE TWO PROPERTIES. UM SO THAT WE HAVE ACCESS FROM BOTH PROPERTIES ONE THROUGH THE OTHER AS A RESULT FOR EXISTING PARKING SPACES WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED ON LOT, 16, WHICH IS THE EXISTING PRINCETON JEEP. UM I WAS THE ACTUALLY THE ENGINEER FOR BRANDON BAKER FOR PRINCETON DEEP. UM AND I HAVE I. I DID A SITE PLAN. THAT WAS DATED JANUARY. 18TH 2005 REVISED JANUARY 31ST 2006. IT WAS FOR A
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PROPOSED SIGNAGE ON THAT PLAN. I SHOWED 166 PARKING SPACES EXIST 11 FOR CUSTOMERS, WHICH 10 IS REQUIRED 22 FOR EMPLOYEES. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION. UH, THERE WILL BE A REDUCTION OF FORCE SPACES IN THE NEW VEHICLE INVENTORY WHICH WILL NOT DISRUPT, UH ANY REDUCTION OR REQUIRE REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES FOR LOT 16. BASICALLY FOR CAR DEALERSHIPS YOU NEED TO HAVE 10 PARKING FOR CUSTOMERS AND ANYTHING OVER THAT. YOU'RE CONFORMING SO BY THE RESULT OF REMOVING THESE FOUR PARKING SPOTS, WE ARE NOT CREATING ANY NEW VARIANCES ON LOT 16.PROPOSING FOR LOT 10, WHICH IS THE ADJACENT SITE, WHICH IS THE OFFICE BUILDING. WE'RE PROPOSING TWO EASEMENTS. AS AS RS POINTED OUT, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. ONE ACCESS SEASON IS PROVIDING THROUGH LOT 10 THROUGH LOT 15, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS FOR ALLOWING LOT 15 TO STILL HAVE USE OF THAT ACCESS EASEMENT, BUT WE'LL CLEAR IT OUT IN THE SECOND LOT EASEMENT IS TO PROVIDE THE PARKING AND THE TRASH CLOSURE THAT EXIST A LOT 15. THAT IS A LOT 10 TO REMAIN. I'LL STOP THERE FOR A SECOND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. OH, I'M SORRY. THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS. PLEASE GO AHEAD. SO LOOK. THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME CHRYSLER DODGE JEEP DEALERSHIP. SO DID DID ANYBODY DO THE FLU RATIO FOR BOTH BUILDINGS OVER BOTH LOTS? NO. YOU. YOU YOU MIGHT BE CONFORMING. IT'S IT. IF THEY'RE CONFORMING, THEY'RE GONNA START FROM SCRATCHING THE PLANNING BOARD. I WOULD SUGGEST, UM AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CONSOLIDATE THE LOTS. BE A SEPARATE LOT. SO YOU NEED YOU AGREE THAT YOU NEED AD FOUR AND WE NEED WE NEED AD FOUR VARIANCE , EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MAKING THE CURRENT SITUATION BETTER. BUT YOU STILL NEED IT. CORRECT? YES, THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. I THINK THEY WANT TO STAY HERE. THAT FACT MYSELF.
OUT. DON'T EVEN WE'RE RIGHT AT THE MAX. LOT. 16 IS MAX OUT. OKAY, UM I DO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER HERE, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, UM, ON ON THE PROOFS, WE DID ASK FOR A SUBMISSION WAIVER IS REQUESTED FOR TRAFFIC IMPACTS STATEMENT. I FEEL THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IS MOSTLY OCCURRING ON SATURDAYS, WHEREAS WE'RE TWO OR SIX IS THE LEAST TRAVEL TIME THROUGH MONTGOMERY. UM, SO WE REQUESTED A WAIVER ON THAT. UM VARIANCES. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW TESTIMONY. JOHN MCDONALD PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON EACH VARIANCE. WE ARE.
I'M JUST POINTING OUT. THE BIG ONES WERE REQUESTED A VARIANCE FOR AN FAA OR REQUIREMENT. AS THE VARIANCE IS THE LEVEL OF 0.2 WERE POSING 0.2813, AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY 0.4003. VARIANTS OF SOFTER LOCK COVERAGE. THAT'S A BIG ONE. IT'S JUST 55% THE SCIENCE CURRENTLY 88.89 AND WE'RE PROPOSING NO CHANGE. UM EXCITED AND, UH, CLARK, KEETON AND HANSEN ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHT? ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS SINK. THERE ARE A LOT OF PREEXISTING VARIANCES AND JOHN MCDONNELL AND I WILL GO THROUGH THEM. TO JUMP DOWN TO OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS . DELAWARE CANAL COMMISSION LETTER DATED OCTOBER 5TH 23 2023 D. R. C C 23-6061 HAS FOUND THE APPLICATION TO BE EXEMPT.
SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION . I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER FROM THEM YET, BUT I'M ANTICIPATING SINCE WE HAVE THE RCC WAS MADE INTO THE FILE. WE WILL PROVIDE COPIES. OF COURSE YOU WERE SUPPLIED. I MEAN, IT WAS FORWARDED TO SHOW IT SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT. BUT JUST CHECK IF NOT SUBMITTED. POLICE YES. THE APPLICATION CORRECT. YEAH WE THAT WAS IN WITH THE WITH THEIR SOLUTION. WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT WHEN THEY WOULD BE ACTING ON EXCUSE ME. WHAT DID YOU SAY, IF ANYTHING ABOUT WHEN THE DRC C WOULD BE TAKING ACTION ON IT? THEY ALREADY TOOK ACTION ON IT.
WE ARE EXEMPT. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. IS THE EXEMPTION LETTER IN THE BOARD FILE. LOG INTO OKAY, SO JUST TOMORROW, RIGHT HERE. DO YOU DO? FORM IT INTO THE FIRE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AN
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EXHIBIT JUST OKAY, YOU HAVE I HAVE TO LET'S DO WE'LL GO WITH THE CANAL COMMISSION. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT EXEMPTION LETTER? THE DATE IS OCTOBER 5TH 2023. IT'S D R C C NUMBER 23 DEATHS 6061. THE MARKET AS EXHIBIT A ONE AND THEN THE NEXT EXHIBIT. WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH HIS A TWO WHICH IS SOMERSET COUNTY PLANNING BOARD. WE SUBMITTED TO THEM MG 5 TO 7000-23 S DATED 1 JANUARY. 26TH 2020 24 WERE ALSO COMPLIANCE FROM THEM. LETTER RIGHT HERE. WE'RE COMPLIANT. IS THAT A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OR IS THAT AN UNCONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT BELIEVE IT'S AN UNCONDITIONAL WE HAVE NO COMMENTS THERE THE SHOW ME THAT BEFORE. YEAH. OKAY? THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT APPROVAL. WITH NO CONDITIONS.THE LAST OUTSIDE AGENCY THAT I'M AWARE THAT WE NEED IS SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION. I DID NOT GET A RESPONSE BACK FROM THEM. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY SOIL DISTURBANCE. SO DO YOU WANT AN APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITION THAT YOU GET SOMERSET UNION? YES, CONSERVATION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM I HAVE AN ARCHITECT TO GO OVER THE BUILDING. FACADES OF THE BUILDING CHANGES. UM WE HAVE A BUNCH OF REVIEW MEMORANDUM TO GO THROUGH. IN THE WAY AS JOHN AS J POINTED OUT HOW WE LIKE TO GO THROUGH THIS. IS TO GO THROUGH CARTON KATE, AND HENCE HE HITS MOST OF THE BROAD AREAS. I'LL GO THROUGH IT. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE TESTIMONY. YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL TESTIMONY FROM JOHN, HE'LL JUMP AFTER I FINISHED. WE WERE HOPING TO GET THE ARCHITECT TO COME IN. UM AND THEN HOPEFULLY, GET THE PLANNER COME IN, AND THEN YOU KNOW, I WILL FOLLOW UP ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS AND THE REST OF THE COMMENTS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH THE TEETH OF IT AND SEE WHERE WE GO. OKAY LET'S START OFF WITH MR CHAIRMAN BEFORE YOU.
IT'S I MAKE BEFORE YOU GET INTO ALL THE REVIEW MEMOS. CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE GENERAL OPERATION OF THE SITE WHERE CUSTOMERS COMING IN AND LEAVING WHERE THE CUSTOMERS PARKING.
WHERE'S THE INVENTORY PARKING? WHERE THE EMPLOYEE CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF DAY TO DAY SITE OPERATIONS WHAT WE FIGURED WHAT TODAY TODAY, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE DONE A FEW CAR DEALERSHIPS, UM WHAT IS THE MOST TYPICAL AS THE CUSTOMER PARKING AND WHAT ARE LABELED? THAT IS THE I PLACED UH, IN THE CENTER PORTION, WHERE THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE AN L I PLACED WHICH IS REQUIRED, UM 11 PARKING. 10 PARKING IS REQUIRED, AND WE HAVE THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SO THE CENTER PORTION OF THE SITE HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS CUSTOMER PARKING. UM, SO WE BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE TO COME TO THE PROPERTY YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE 206 NORTH OR SOUTH. TURN ON TO WALL STREET AND TURNING IT INTO OUR PROPERTY BY MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE ANOTHER RIGHT HAND TURN TO GO INTO OUR PROPERTY AND IS ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS SAYS WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE DIRECTIONAL ARROWS AND LOCATIONS, BUT THE KEY FOR THIS IS JUST TO GET THE CUSTOMER PARKING TO THE CUSTOMER PARKING AREAS. UM, AS FAR AS DIFFERENTIATING. UM WHERE THE EMPLOYEES PARK WELL, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S GOING TO BE PARKED BEHIND BUILDING G, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S FARTHEST FROM ROOT TO 06 AND THE EMPLOYEES WILL PARK BACK THERE AND ALL THE INVENTORY PARKING IS GOING TO PARK ALONG ROUTE 206 AND A LONG WALL STREET AND THROUGHOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE FRONT PORTION OF THE SITE, SO THE THREE COMPONENTS IS THE NEW CARS AND USED CARS.
INVENTORIES WILL BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT AND, UH AND THE EAST SIDE OR SOUTH SIDE OF WALL
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STREET AND IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WILL BE THE CUSTOMER PARKING AND STAFF. UM I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO IT, BUT I, YOU KNOW WELL, I MEAN, WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER JUST SOME OF THE TYPICAL OPERATE HOURS OF OPERATION DAYS OF THE WEEK. HOURS OF OPERATION ARE ON THE PLANE. I CAN GO GO THROUGH THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S A PRECIOUS LETTER, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT AS RAKESH POINTED OUT, UM. WHAT WE HAVE. AS YOUR TYPICAL CAR DEALERSHIP. HOURS OF OPERATION IS SIX DAYS A WEEK. MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, NINE AM TO EIGHT PM FRIDAY. 9 A.M. TO 6 P.M. SATURDAY SLOW DOWN ON THAT STUFF. DAYS A WEEK, SIX DAYS A WEEK. MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY 10 A.M. TO 8 P.M. FRIDAY, NINE AM TO SIX PM SATURDAY. 9 A.M. TO 5 P.M. AND SUNDAY IT'S CLOSED. WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE HAVE, AND THIS IS CITED ON THE PLANS ANTICIPATED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 10 EMPLOYEES. WHAT THE NOTE AND WHAT PLANS SHE AND WHATNOT YOU'RE READING FROM ON THE SITE PLAN. SHE TWO OR THREE IS THERE A PARTICULAR? IS THERE A NOTE NUMBER ON THAT? OR JUST NOTED SOMEWHERE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND IT'S UNDER THE FAR RIGHT SIDE EMPLOYEES. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY UM, I BROKE DOWN THE CUSTOMER PARKING REQUIRED.PARKING IS TURNING THE PROPOSED PARKING IS 10. CUSTOMER PARKING IS SO I BROKE THE PARKING DOWN THE CUSTOMER PARKING 10 NEW VEHICLE PARKING 50. 55 PRE OWNED PARKING 13 EMPLOYEE PARKING 10 SERVICE PARKING 13, WHICH IS AN ERROR BECAUSE THERE'S NO SERVICE AT THIS FACILITY. AND THEN I HAVE A DUPLICATE VEHICLE IN PARKING OF 10, WHICH IS A TOTAL PARKING OF 111 PARKING SPOTS. WE ARE NOT SERVICES SOMEONE HAPPENED. THERE'S NO IN THERE. REPORT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO STRIKE OUT THE YES. YEAH, THAT'S PART OF MY MEMO IS TO CLARIFY ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARK.
RIGHT AND IT'S ALSO IN OUR QUESTIONS OF MEMOS. SO UM YOU KNOW? WHAT WE CONCENTRATED ON WAS MAKE SURE THE CUSTOMER PARKING GETS TO THE CENTER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE EXISTING HANDICAPPED RAMPS AND THE EXISTING HANDICAPPED AREAS ARE OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THIS FACILITY, WHICH THEY THINK IS BEST. UM UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO PUT MORE SIGNAGE AND DIRECTIONAL THINGS FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO GET IN. BUT I THINK MOST OF THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED FOR STORING NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS. COP CARS. AS FAR AS DELIVERIES GO. WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY BIG TRUCKS. I DO HAVE WHICH I GET INTO TESTIMONY LATER ON WHEN I GET TO RICOCHETS INTO FISHMONGERS. I PROVIDED THE TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATE. UM BUT WE'RE JUST BASICALLY ANTICIPATING NOTHING MORE THAN UPS BROWN TRUCK TO COME INTO THIS SITE, WHICH I BELIEVE THERE'S ADEQUATE CERTIFICATE. VEHICLE CIRCULATION FOR THAT, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY BIG THINGS DROPPED OFF, SO I THINK THE PROPERTY WERE SERVICE AS WELL. UM I DON'T SEE ANYTHING MORE IN TESTIMONY ON THAT. SO DAVE ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY LARGE TRUCKS. HOW WERE THE OF INVENTORY BEING DELIVERED. ARE THEY BEING STAGED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DRIVEN ONE CAR AT A TIME ON THE SITE? HOW DO YOU GET YOUR INVENTING YOUR NEW INVENTORY INTO THE SITE? OKAY UM, WHILE WE WERE THINKING OF COMING IN THROUGH WALL STREET ROUTE TO A SIX AND THEN WALL STREET AND THEN ENTER THE FACILITY. INTO THE PROPERTY, AND I PROVIDED A TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATE. I GUESS YOU MIGHT HAVE NOT SEEN IT. I MEAN, THAT IS A BIG TRUCK, THOUGH. IT'S W B 50. ARE YOU DOING ANTICIPATE TO HAVE CAR CARRIERS? YEAH THE SITES AND DELIVER NEW CARS. THAT IS CORRECT. AND THAT CLARIFY THAT, LIKE YOU SAID THERE WOULDN'T BE TRUCKS. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. BUT HE'S JUST HE BUT THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, BUT THERE IS A WAY WE CAN FINAGLE EARLY, USING THE WALL STREET TO KEEP THE BIG TRUCK. I'M NOT ASKING THE WV 50 TO CIRCULATE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROPERTY. I'M JUST ALLOWING. YOU CAN GET OFF THE ROUTE TWO OR SIX DOWN WALL STREET AND THEN UNLOAD THE CAR ON THE PROPERTY BUT NOT CIRCULATE. THE TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH SHEET IN THE PLANS. THAT IS AN EXHIBIT THAT I HAVE NOT PROVIDED YET. YOU'RE GONNA BE
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PROVIDING IT WANTED TO GET THROUGH CLARK'S WERE PINK BELONG , BUT IT WHATEVER. YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO HIM WHAT I DID TO THE GUY IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE CLARK, KATE AND HENCE, UH, REVIEW MEMO DATED FEBRUARY 26 2024. UM YOU COULD.I'M GOING TO BREEZE THROUGH THIS IF I THINK I'M SKIPPING, SO I'M GONNA SKIP THINGS. I THINK IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. AND IF YOU DON'T LISTEN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE, DON'T MENTION IT. IT'S GOING TO BE A CONDITION IF THE BOARD APPROVES IT. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, JUST GIVE US THE PARAGRAPH NUMBER, RIGHT? I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH. I'M GONNA SKIP IT. I'M GONNA LET BUT IF YOU THINK, DAVID, YOU CAN'T SKIP THAT ONE, THEN WE GO FROM THERE.
OKAY I WANT TO SKIP PAGE ONE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE PROJECT INSIGHT DESCRIPTION. YOU READY ALREADY COVERED PAGE TWO. OKAY THREE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GO ON PAGE THREE. ANYTHING UM, NO, I DON'T. OKAY? PAGE FOUR. OKAY, 0.3. TWO. 2.3 OKAY? YES. 2.3 PREEXISTING BANDAGES, AS CITED IN THE TABLE IDENTIFIED ABOVE PRE EXISTING PARENTS. THE AFRICAN INDICATES FOR PRE EXISTING BANKS IS FROM SECTION 16 4 POINTS. 12 POINT D FROM MAXIMUM COVERAGE MINIMUM LOT.
FRONT YARD SETBACK, MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK AND MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN BUILDINGS. IT'S UNCLEAR IF THESE VARIANCES WERE GRANTED FOR THESE KNOCK INFORMANTS. C NINE CONFORMING THESE OR IF THEY WERE LAWFULLY PREEXISTING OR LOVELY, PREEXISTING. THIS OFFICE RECOMMENDS THAT THE AFTERNOON REQUEST THESE VARIANCES FOR THESE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY IS AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE REQUESTING FOR THESE NONCONFORMITY IS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCE. UM I COULD CITE 2.41 IF YOU WANT, BUT I AGREE WITH IT. 2.42 I AGREE WITH THAT? 12.43 AGREE WITH THAT. BARRON'S 2.44 LOCK COVERAGE AGREE WITH THAT MARRIAGE. 2.4 FLOOR AREA RATIO VARIANCE THAT'S GOING TO GET DISSED OFF THE JOHN MCDONOUGH. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE HC DISTRICT. UM 3.1 DETAILS OF PROPOSED EASEMENT WE CARRIED. I WILL PROVIDE DETAILS ON THAT. AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT. OUT STORE, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY. I HAD THE STUFF IN BOLD YEAH. SHOULD BE REVISED TO INDICATE. JUST READ THAT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT THAT? HOW ARE YOU REQUESTING? WE ARE PARKING. I MEAN, IT'S EXISTING PARKING ALONG WEST STREET AND ALONG ROUTE 206 AND WE WERE REQUESTING THAT WE GET A VARIANCE FOR PARKING THE PARK.
YOU AGREE YOU'RE GOING TO REVISE THE PLANS TO INDICATE ALL THE STUFF HE SAYS IN THERE, HE WANTS INDICATED THAT IS CORRECT. YOU WANT THAT TO BE MADE IN CONDITION? CORRECT? YES. THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE VEHICLES WOULD DEALERSHIP TABS AND SPACES ON THE SITE PERIMETER WITHIN 50 FT OF THE STREET LINE. THAT'S THE VARIANTS YOU'RE REQUESTING. CORRECT CORRECT. WE GO INTO PLANNING REQUIREMENT WAS A PRETTY GOOD PRE EXISTING, NON INFORMATIVE WE AGREE IT'S A PRE EXISTING NON CONFORMITY. UM PARKING AREAS IN THE SIDE AND REGARDS, YOU KNOW, PLAN FLIES, PARKING AND LOADING AREAS. IT'S A PRETTY CONSISTENT, NOT CONFORMING. SO WE'RE REQUESTING FOR THAT. LAWN AREA AND BUFFER DISTANCE BETWEEN STRUCTURE. IT'S A PRE CONSISTENT NONCONFORMITY. IT'S A VARIANCE. WE NEED IT. WE WERE ASKING FOR IT. AND JOHN MCDONALD KNOWS ALL THESE THINGS IS I KNOW HE'S PLUGGED IN. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HE'S PLUCKED, UNDERSTAND BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT HE'S GOING TO BE PUTTING IN TESTIMONY AND ALL THESE THINGS. YES, OKAY. DON'T YOU TELL HIM BEFORE WE TOLD HIM BEFORE THE HEARING. UH THE BUILDING SEPARATION IS 17.9. WE KNOW IT'S A PRECONDITION, NOT CONFORMITY WERE REQUESTING THAT VARIANCE. 4.1 0.2 YOU COVERED THAT ALREADY? YEP COMMON DRIVEWAY, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE DOES. OKAY AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALKS GO, 4.1 0.3 PARKING DISTRIBUTION OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS PURSUANT TO SECTION 4.12 POINT E. NINE B SIX PARKING SHELBY DISTRIBUTED WITH PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN BILLIONS. THE PUBLIC AREAS WITH DEVELOPMENT OF LARGE PARKING LOTS AND SHALL BE AVOIDED. PARKING IS GENERALLY DISTRIBUTED AROUND EACH EXISTING BUILDINGS, EXISTING WALKWAYS AND CONNECT WITH BEING PARKING STRIPING THIS PLANT COMPLIANCE AND BOLD, READ SLOWLY. WORD COMPLY IF THE BORDER REQUIRES INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS. AH TO
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THE OFFSIDE BUS STOP AND U. S ROUTE 26 ARE RECOMMENDED. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO FOR THIS ONE IS WE HAVE VERY LIMITED AREA FROM ROUTE 206 TO THE EXISTING PARKING AREA. WE WILL PROVIDE SIDEWALK THROUGH ROUTE TO US SIX FROM PROPERTY. ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF ROUTE 206 TO THE BUS STOP. AND I WILL PROVIDE A DETAILED PLAN OF A SIDEWALK AND LANDSCAPING. I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO KNOW. BUT IF I HAVE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN WHICH I DID BAKER JEEP, THERE IS NOT A SIDEWALK THERE. BUT IT'S IN AN ESCROW. YOU COULD BE UTILIZED. I KNOW IT'S COMING. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE PUSHING FOR SIDEWALKS THAT WE WILL PUT THE SIDEWALK IN WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO CUT SOME TREES DOWN TO GET IT TO WORK. I'LL LET RICHARD BAR ALONE REVIEW MY PLAN. I'LL TRY TO ZIGZAG IT, BUT IT IS A LOT OF VEGETATION. JOHN HAS PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT ENTIRE FRONTAGE, AND IT IS HIGHLY VEGETATED. AND IT'S A NICE BUFFER. HENDERSON. VERY CLOSE VEGETATION TO THE STREET.THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARDS THAT ARE TALK ABOUT DECIDE. WHAT IT WAS DONE. MAYBE AFTER YOU SEE MR MCDONOUGH'S EXHIBIT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE TO WEIGH. HOW BAD YOU WANT THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS LIKE YOU WANT TO KEEP THREE WE'LL SEE. AND YOU GET TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. IF YOU DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE FIGHT TO WALK IN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED EXCEPTION. AND I GUESS IF THEY DECIDE THAT YOU WANT THE TREES TO REMAIN, YOU HAVE A BASIS FOR THE EXCEPTION. YEAH. UM WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF SIDEWALKS, CAN YOU ADDRESS SIDEWALKS ALONG WALL STREET? UM FORGOTTEN? OKAY WELL, WALL STREET IS ALSO REQUIRED THE SIDEWALK IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN WALL STREET WIDENS AND AS IT LEAVES, OR IS PRETTY WIDE. FROM ROUTE 206 AS IT GOES INTO, THERE'S NOT MUCH RIGHT AWAY. THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM FOR SIDEWALK. I COULD PROBABLY GET 100 FT. IT'S VERY VEGETATED, SO THEY WILL WORK WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK ALONG ROUTE TWO OR SIX. I JUST DON'T SEE IT IS FEASIBLE TO PUT SIDEWALK ALONG THE LITTLE PORTION OF WEST STREET THAT I COULD PUT IT IN. A WHILE. YOU'RE ON THE SUBJECT TO SIDEWALKS CAN YOU PROVIDE OR YOU PROPOSING A SIDEWALK CONNECTION? FROM 206 INTO THE SITE AT ALL OR JUST ALONG THE HIGHWAY. UM WE COULD PUT A YOU WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM? YEAH, WE COULD PUT A WALK AWAY TO THE SITE. I MEAN, WE WERE GOING TO GO FROM THE HANDICAP. THE DEPRESSED CURVE FROM WALL STREET. TO THE BUS STOP AND THEN TO THE TRACK BOUNDARY, AND I COULD THROW A LITTLE 4 FT. SIDEWALK TO THE PROPERTY. THAT'S IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. ESSENTIALLY IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT TAKES THE BUS TO GET TO WORK THERE LIKE THEM TO BE ABLE TO WALK THAT LAST 100 FT. YOU WANT TO SOLVE THE SIDEWALK FROM THE FROM WEST TO EAST AND I COULD PROVIDE THAT. AND, OF COURSE, TO THE EXTENT THAT PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS MEANS ADDITIONAL, IMPERVIOUS COVER. WE NEED TO EXPAND THE VARIANCE GOOD POINT. YOU STILL SUBSTANTIALLY DECREASING IT, BUT PREVIOUS COVER F A R IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. CORRECT IMPERIOUS COVERAGES. PREVIOUS COVER WE ARE OVER. WE HAVE NOT PROPOSED ANY ADDITION TO THE EXTENT IT'S REQUIRED TO DO THE SIDEWALK. GOOD POINT. YEAH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH. 5.2 SEPARATION OF PARKING PURSUANT TO SECTION 16-4 0.12 G CUSTOMER SPACES SHALL BE SEPARATED FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY AREAS AND NOT BE USED BY EMPLOYEES WHO SHALL BE PROVIDED PARKING SPACES ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY. THE PLANS DO NOT DELINEATE DOING IT EMPLOYEE PARKING SPACES, NOR DO THEY INDICATE SEPARATION BETWEEN CUSTOMER PARKING AND VEHICLE DISPLAYS. THE PLAN SHOULD PROVIDE TO INDICATE HOW THE 110 111 PARKING SPACES WITH THE DESIGNATED ANY PARENTS MAY BE REQUIRED. AH WE CAN DELINEATE THE PARKING SPACES BETWEEN CUSTOMER INVENTORY AND EMPLOYEES , BUT THERE ARE NO SAID SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO JUST STRIPING. SEE THE VARIANTS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE REQUIRED TO TELL ME WHAT NUMBER YOU'RE ON THERE. THAT WAS 5.25 0.2. THE PAGE NUMBERS CAME OUT WEIRD FOR MAKE YOURSELF WEIRD, SO IT'S PAGE EIGHT. AND SHE SAYS EIGHT OF THE NEXT NUMBER WHICH IS INCORRECT. IT'S A 17. I'M SORRY, 23 PAGE REPORT. IT'S PAGE EIGHT, AND IT'S ITEM 5.2. SORRY WHERE WOULD THE WHY WOULD THE VARIANTS
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BE REQUIRED? WHICH? JUST SO, UM THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE THAT THEIR SEPARATION FROM VEHICLE DISPLAY AREAS CUSTOMER SPACES OF CUSTOMER SPACES ARE TO BE SEPARATED FROM VEHICLE DISPLAY AREAS AND CUSTOMER AND EMPLOYEE PARKING. UM SO THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THIS SPACE, SO THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR. UM MOVING FORWARD 5.3 ELECTRICAL BILL VEHICLE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WE AGREED TO DO UM, QUESTION I ASKED THIS IS REALLY A QUESTION FOR MR BONE. DOES THE STATUTE SAY THAT THE BOARD CAN'T GRANTED UNLESS YOU SHOW IT OR DOES THE STATUTE SAY THEY CAN CONDITION IT? AS A CONDITION OF PRELIMINARY. MY RECOLLECTION OF THE WORDING OF THE STATUTE IS IT MAKES IT A DESIGN STANDARD. I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN THAT THE BOARD COULDN'T DRINK RELIEF FROM THE REQUIREMENT. OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT ASKING. YOU DON'T THINK THEY CAN GRANT RELIEF BECAUSE I THINK IT'S MANDATORY. MY QUESTION IS IT SOMETHING? LIKE THE FOUR ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU DON'T SHOOT SHOW FEASIBILITY, THEY CAN'T GRANT PRELIMINARY. DO YOU HAVE A STATUTE THERE? YOU'RE LOOKING AT? THAT'S GOOD IDEA. LOOK IN THE GREEN BOOK. I'VE GOT THE OLD BOOK. I'M SORRY. I DON'T THINK IT CHANGED. TELL ME WHAT SECTION YOU'RE IN BUSINESS HAVE DIFFERENT PAGE NUMBER. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. HAVE TO SHOW IT ON THE PLAN BEFORE THEY GRANT PRELIMINARY OR IF THE STATUTE SAYS THEY CAN GRANT PRELIMINARY, BUT IT HAS. IF THEY DON'T SHOW IT. IT HAS TO BE A CONDITION OF PRELIMINARY WELL, YOU YOU WE CERTAINLY WOULD EXPECT YOU TO MAKE IT A CONDITION. I UNDERSTAND. SO LET'S SEE WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS.THE INDEX IS NOT TOO GOOD AT THIS POINT. IS IT IN YOUR INDEX? NO I'M IN THE INDEX. THIS IS BAD. KEEP ON GOING. I'M GONNA LOOK KEEP ON GOING. OKAY 5.4 OFF STREET LOADING. SECTION THAT'S FOUR POINTS. 12 H POINT I ANY BUILDING OR GROUP OF BUILDINGS WITHIN THE EIGHT C ZONES ARE BARRED TO HAVE ONE LOADING SPACE AT THE SIDE, REAR OR WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUILDING. PLANS DO NOT INDICATE EXISTING OR PROPOSED LOADING AREAS. VARIANCE WAS REQUIRED. WE DO NOT FEEL THAT WE NEED ANY LOADING AREAS. THE ONLY LOADING TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE COMING IN WOULD BE A UPS TRUCK OR AH, VEHICLE THAT JUST COMES IN FOR A BRIEF SECOND DROPS OFF THE BUNDLE GOODS AND MOVES ON, SO WE DON'T NEED TO THINK THAT WE HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA WITH A TRUCK THAT'S GOING TO BE SITTING THERE MORE THAN 15 MINUTES AND NEEDS A DESIGNATED LOADING AREAS. SO WE WITH WE REQUESTED VARIANTS FOR THAT. 5.5 WORKING AND A LOT OF WEIGHT FINDING UM, WE WOULD AGREE TO PROVIDE BETTER DIRECTIONAL ARROWS AND SIGNS WELL STOPS 5.6. WE AGREED TO DO NOTHING TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO PULL THAT TV STATUTE. BECAUSE IT'S HIS COMMENT THAT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT IT. HIS COMMENT AND 5.3 SAYS PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE.
PRELIMINARY SAFE PLAN. APPROVAL CANNOT BE GRANTED WITHOUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATUTE. SO I'VE ASKED HIM TO PULL THE STATUTE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. YEAH. THANK GOODNESS. IT'S 40 COMA. 55 D DASH 66.20 0.3 POINT B. GOLD STAR POINTS.
THIS IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN OF THE STATUTE IS THE INSTALLATION OF THE SPACES. 66 POINT IT'S IN.
IT'S IN THE ZONING RATHER THAN THE SITE PLAN SECTION. WHICH MAKES YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN SHOWS AS A CONDITION. AS A CONDITION OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL. FOR EACH APPLICATION. YEAH, BIT. A IS TALKING ABOUT SO BE ONE IS ON PAGE. UM I HAVE THE GREEN BOOK ALSO, BUT IT'S AS A CONDITION OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL. EACH APPLICATION INVOLVING A PARKING LOT OR GARAGE NOT COVERED IN SUBSECTION
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A, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL OF THIS SECTION SHALL AND THEN YOU GO. THIS ONE IS COVERED UNDER THE RIGHT BECAUSE, UM 101 250 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, INSTALL AT LEAST FOUR MAKE READY PARKING SPACES, ONE OF WHICH SHALL BE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE CONDITION OF PRELIMINARY CYCLONE APPROVAL. SO IT CAN BE A CONDITION. THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW IT ON THEIR PLANS NOW. YES THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO FIND OUT . PROMISE EVERYONE. I WILL PUT THE WORD CONDITION AND FROM NOW ON, JUST AS LIKE UNDERSTANDING LIKE STRESSFUL. BUT WITHOUT THAT, HOW CAN WE ASSESS? UH PROPER TURNING FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES? ETCETERA, THEY'RE NOT ADDING SPACES THEY HAVE TO MAKE THESE SPACES THAT THEY'VE SHOWN THIS PLAN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEM. YOU VE VERY OR TV STATIONS. OKAY THAT I UNDERSTAND . BUT WITHOUT SEEING HOW THIS ALL THESE SPACES ARE LINED UP IN THE ROADWAYS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ASSESS? CIRCULATION SPACES ARE LINED UP. THE ROLE OF THE PLAN. SISTER NOT SHOWING WHICH ONES HAVE E V CHARGING STATIONS AND WHICH ONES ARE REGULAR PARKING SPACES? BUT ANOTHER WORDS WHEN THEY WHEN THEY COMPLY WITH THIS AS A CONDITION THEY HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE SPACES AND JUST PUT AN E V CHARGER. BUY IT. DON'T SAVE MY QUESTION FOR LATER. MY CORRECT YOU ARE CORRECT. AND OF COURSE IT GETS REVIEWED BY EVERYBODY BEFORE IT GETS CONFIGURATION AND LAYOUT OF THE SPACES AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE. NOT CHANGING, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT SAYING BE LIKE YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW ON THE PLAN. ABSOLUTELY. GREAT ALRIGHT, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO 5.5. PARKING LOT WAY FAME. WE AGREED TO DO 5.6 WHEEL STOPS. WE AGREED TO 5.7 SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS. WE AGREED TO PUT SIDEWALKS ALONG ROUTE TWO OR SIX AND AS PROFICIENT ER. UM WE WILL PROVIDE AN ACTRESS WAY EAST TO WEST OR THAT THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE TOOK THE BUS THAT THEY CAN HAVE CONCRETE SIDE WANT TO OUR FACILITY TO HOLD UP. DO YOU WANT THE BOARD WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE NOW? WE'RE LATER. BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT, BUT YOU MIGHT LOSE TREES. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR MR MCDONOUGH. DO IT, OR DO YOU WANT TO DO IT AS PART OF THIS? DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? MR BOWEN WITH NO, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE IF THE BOARD WOULD PREFER TO KEEP THE EXISTING TREES AND HAVE LESS SIDEWALK THEY WANT TO SEE THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT IT HOW MANY TREES THAT LOSE IF THEY MAKE YOU DO THE SIDEWALKS.THEY'RE BIG FOR YOU, RIGHT? THEY HAVE A BIG THING ABOUT THEY WANT SIDEWALKS. BUT I THINK I CAN GET IT THROUGH. JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW. LISTEN JOHN. I MEAN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO PINE TREES. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA LOSE TO FIND TRAINS, AND THAT'S IT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THE WHOLE MESSAGE. I'M NOT GONNA KNOCK DOWN A DEEP, BUT YOU WILL LOOK AT THE PLAN I CAN. IT'S GONNA IT'S NOT GONNA BE A STRAIGHT HOME RUN. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO MEN IN MANY, AND IF I GOT TO LOSE THEM, AND I HAVE WORKED WITH RITUAL MANY TIMES BEFORE YOU MADE IT, OKAY. NO PROBLEM. THEN WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. I MEAN, OKAY. I MEAN, GOT IT. OKAY, SIDEWALK. YES. THE BUS STOP. THERE'S A BUS STOP IS SINCE ALONG OKAY. WE WANT TO GET BACK TO THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING WE'RE GONNA DO IT AROUND 26 MINIMIZE ANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE LOCK COVERAGE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK FOR A LOT OF COVERAGE PARENTS AND IT'S MINIMAL BUT IT'S GOING TO GO UP. MR MCDONOUGH IS TESTIFYING.
CALCULATE IT. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD WHILE WE'RE ON THAT SUBJECT, YOU DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA NEED A PERMIT. BOT. THE SIDEWALK. MAYBE AT LEAST PART OF THE SIDE OFF IS GOING TO BE IN THE STATE RIGHT AWAY. I DON'T SEE THAT, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING THE D O T PERMIT. IF YOU NEED IF I NEED ONE PREMIUM PERMIT REQUIRED AND IF REQUIRED, IF REQUIRED, RIGHT? OKAY? AH 5.8 COMPLIES 5.81 COMPLIES. OKAY? 5.82 OKAY, AS I DISCUSSED IN MY TESTIMONY THE DUMPSTER THAT'S EXISTING IS FOR LOTS. 10. YES, WE WILL. PUT THE COMMENTS, SAID DESIGN DETAILS WILL ADD A LOT NUMBER TO IT, AND WE'LL DESIGNATED FOR BEING A LOT OF TIME. SO WE AGREE WITH THE COMMENT. YOU SEEM LOST. NO, I'M NOT LOST. IS THAT AN ISSUE IF SOMEONE DUMPSTER FROM ONE LIGHT IS ON THE OTHER. IS THAT A ZONING ISSUE? THAT WAS DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT THAT WAS THE REASON THE FIRST OR SECOND PARAGRAPH, THE REPORT IS ABOUT THE OTHER LOTS INVOLVED. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THERE IS VARIANCE. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER LOTS THAT ARE
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INVOLVED WITH THAT VARIANCE IS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THOSE LOTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY SHARE OWNERSHIP. YOU KNOW THE NOTICE THAT THE NOTICE WAS DRAWN FROM LIKE 10 WAS INCLUDED IN THE BASE FROM WHICH THE 200 FT WAS DRAWN. OKAY QUICKLY ASKED FOR THE LIST TO INCLUDE THOSE. OKAY SO THEN I THINK WE'RE IN THAT. I'M FINE WITH IT AS LONG AS LEGALLY. WE'RE ALL OK. I'M YEAH. AS LONG AS YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THAT WAY. NOBODY OKAY? LIGHTING WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY LIGHTING . WE'RE NOT ASKING TO PUT ANY MORE LIGHTING. UM SOME OF THE LIGHTING THE INTERSECTION, LIGHTING WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN. UM WHICH IS SHEET THREE. AND DEMONSTRATES THAT IT'S NOT CONFORMING TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS WITH THE INTERSECTION THAT WALL STREET AND ROUTE TOUR SIX. WE HAVE LIGHTING THAT SUCCEEDING 4.8, THE OLDER YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, UM SO OUR OUR THING IS, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY LIGHTING IN SOME AREAS IT EXCEEDS IN OTHER AREAS IT DOESN'T EXCEED AS FAR AS PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ANY PUBLIC. UH NON SAFETY BECAUSE OF THE INTERSECTIONS ARE WELL LIFTED TO THE PARKING LOT IS SLATED TO PUT IN SOME AREAS. IT'S TOO HIGH IN SOME AREAS. IT'S TOO LOW, BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW LIGHTING. UM AND SOME OF THE LIGHTING IS NOT IN OUR JURISDICTIONS. WE DON'T OWN IT. I MEAN THE COBRA LIGHTS THAT ARE ALONG WALL STREET AND IN THE ACTS AT THE ENTRANCE AREAS ARE NOT OURS AND THE LIGHTING THAT'S COBRA LIKE AH, I WOULD THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE ASSOCIATION OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE WHO WHO PAYS FOR THE WALL STREET LIGHTING. THAT'S NOT MY IT'S A THAT'S A PRIVATE STREET. SO IT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION. I UNDERSTAND FOR THE TENSION, MONTGOMERY LIGHTING IS VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? DARK SKY LIGHTING ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, SO WE POINT OUT THAT THESE ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY EASE. IF THE BOARD WANTS TO ASK THE APPLICANT OR MAKE A CONDITION THAT THEY BE CHANGED OR MODIFIED IN SOME WAY TO REDUCE THE LIGHTING, RIGHT? I THINK I THINK WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT UP RIGHT NOW IS WELL, THERE'S ENOUGH LIGHTING THAT IT'S SAFE, AND I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S TOO MUCH LIGHTING AND SO DO WE WANT TO HAVE ANY KIND OF CONDITION.THAT, OF COURSE, IS UP TO THE BOARD. IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON MAKING SOME CHANGES, BUT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THAT, OR GRANTLEY EXCEPTION FOR THE NON CONFORMING LIFE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OF TALKS ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND, UH UH, DISORIENTING TO WILDLIFE, ETCETERA. CAN YOU WE HAVE THE LIGHTING PLAN UP. CAN YOU USE THE CURSOR OR SOMETHING? WHERE THESE CODE RELATES? YOU'RE TALKING. THERE ARE TWO COBRA LIGHTS RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION. YOU USE THEM POINTER TO RIGHT HERE. LET'S GO OVER A LIGHT RIGHT THERE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT COBRA LIGHT IS OFF THE APPLICANTS PROPERTY? OH, YEAH, ON THE ROOF. OKAY. WHERE'S THE OTHER PROBE? RELATE. YEAH, ONE HERE. WE HAVE ONE HERE OVER LIGHTS ON THE APPLICANT PROPERTY APPLICANTS PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE REALLY SERVICING. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. WHO'S PAYING THE ELECTRIC SO FAR. WHERE'S THE ECONOMY? YOU'RE ASKING ME QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW. UM I WOULD THINK THAT CHARLIE CORONA. HE'S PROBABLY IT'S THOSE LIGHTS ARE SERVICING HIS PROPERTY, BUT THE POLLS ARE ON OUR PROPERTY, SO IT'S PROBABLY AN EASEMENT THING. BUT THAT LIGHTING YOU KNOW, PROVIDES US LIGHTING IN THE REAR. I UNDERSTAND IT'S ONE THING FOR THE COBRA LIKE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. TO SAY. NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE TWO COPROLITES THAT AROUND YOUR PROPERTY DOESN'T REALLY LEGALLY I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHO IT'S SERVICING BUT EFFECTS. LIGHT IS BRIGHT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. IT IS SWITCHING OUT THE FIXTURE OR LOWERING THE WATER. JOR WHATEVER WORKING WITH THE BOARD PLANNING EXPERTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE AH, I'LL WORK WITH THE BOARD ENGINEER.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE YOU KNOW AS FAR AS AS CHARLIE'S, I MEAN, THE LIGHTING DOESN'T MEET. THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS YOU'RE GOING TO INTENSIFY THE LIGHTING THAT IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. IT'S GONNA WIND UP MAKING THE COBRA LIGHT BRIGHTER IN THE AREA THAT COVER LIGHTS. NO, BUT IN THE OTHER AREAS WE USE IT IS ONE THING OR ANOTHER. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ATTACK THIS AS ONE ELEMENT, OKAY, WELL, LET'S FIX THE COBRA LIGHT. OKAY YOU DID THAT. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THAT HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT THE REST OF THE LIGHTING WHICH IS
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INSUFFICIENT AND YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE MORE LIGHTING. AND WHAT YOU KNOW FROM MR CORONA. I MEAN, AND AS I WAS THE ENGINEER FOR BAKER, THERE'S A LOT OF THEFT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THEFT OF THESE. THESE AUTOMATE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LIGHTING SO I, YOU KNOW, I NEED DIRECTION ON HOW I MEAN I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH WITH MICHAEL SULLIVAN'S OFFICE AND TRYING TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE LIGHTING. BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT A HIGHLY LIT PROPERTY. YEAH YOU HAVE THREE COBRA LIGHTINGS. THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE INTENSIFYING SOME AREAS, BUT THEN MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS IT'S NICELY LIT. UM, YOU GUYS THE BOARD HAS TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE LEGALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT.UNDER THE AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION LAW, IT SAYS. THAT THE CURRENT REGS APPLY. SO EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THEIR EXISTING LIGHTS, IF THE BOARD I WANT SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT. IN MY OPINION, THEY HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THEY DO WHAT THEY DON'T. BUT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY IF YOU WANT TO. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. CAN I ASK? I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT EITHER THE APPLICANT OR OR MR MCDONNELL WHEN HE DOES VARIANCE TESTIMONY IF THERE'S A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE RELATED TO THE LIGHTING, WHICH IS I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING. I MEAN, THEY SHOULD MAKE THAT CASE FOR THE RELIEF RIGHT? IF THERE'S A BUT THERE'S A CRIME ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT MAY BE A MITIGATING FACTOR. I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN. I SEE ALL THE FOOT CANDLE MEASUREMENTS. TOO LOW UNDER THE ORDINANCE, OR THOSE TWO HIGH INTO THE ORDINANCE WILL COMPLY WITH THE LADIES. I MEAN, EVEN UNDER THE COBRA LIGHT AROUND A COBRA LATE. IT'S LIKE A 5.5. WHICH ANYMORE NO TWO IS RIGHT. IS HE TENS TWELVES? YOU KNOW, BUT I'M NOT NO, IT'S FINE. IT'S FINE, BUT THAT'S HIGHER THAN WHAT'S PERMITTED. OKAY. WHAT'S PERMITTED. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM FOR ME? GROUND LEVEL. THERE SHOULD BE AN AVERAGE OF 0.3 FT CANDLES. NO, NO MORE THAN 1 FT CANDLE. IN THE PRINCE DID NOT PROVIDE AN AVERAGE RATING CALCULATION. MHM. AND THEN AT INTERSECTIONS. IT'S A MINIMUM OF POINTING AT A MINIMUM AVERAGE OF HALF A FOOT CANDLE NOT TO EXCEED 1 FT.
CANDLE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHTING OF PARKING AND WALKING AREAS, WHICH IT'S AN AUTO DEALERSHIP, THAT'S MOST OF IT. IT'S UM, ADEQUATELY ILLUMINATED FOR SECURITY AND SAFETY. SO THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS SO IT IS THAT WHICH IS WHY I WAS SUGGESTING IF THERE IS A IF THERE IS A SAFETY RELATED ISSUE HERE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE BRIGHTER LIGHTS. I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN WE SHOULD TRY TO COMPORT BOARD TAKES A BREAK. MAYBE THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS CAN GET TOGETHER WITH THE AFRICAN PROFESSIONALS. TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTING TO SEE IS WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO COME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE BOARD I HAD NO IDEA AND I DON'T WANT TO OVER LEASE IT.
THAT'S THE THING IS I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE BOARD OF THE BOARD HAS THOUGHTS ON THIS AND, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR THINGS THAT WE WANT TO HEAR. WE WANT TO HEAR. YES WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE LIGHTING BOTH OPTIONS. YEAH BUT ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE AN INDUSTRY STANDARD. DO YOU KNOW AS A RESULT OF THAT I MIGHT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE A PROFESSIONAL INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR RECOMMENDED FOOT CANDLES. UM DEAL DEAL ISSUES EXACTLY WHICH THERE IS AND WE DID, AND SO IN THE SAME AREA WHERE I ASK ABOUT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY WITH 6.2 OF OUR REPORT, WE ALSO ASKED FOR A COMPARISON TO RELEVANT INDUSTRY STANDARDS SUCH AS ELIMINATING ENGINEERING. YES YES, YES, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER MEASURES TO PROTECT THE CARS ARE IN PLACES THEY'RE GOING TO BE A FENCE. IS THERE GOING TO BE MONITORING? AH SO IN THAT DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT AS WELL. ALSO ANY GATES THAT ARE GOING TO CLOSE ON THE ON THE DRIVEWAYS SO THAT CARS CANNOT COME IN OR GO OUT. UH SO IF THERE THEY TRIED TO STEAL A CAR, THEY CAN'T EXIT VIA THE CURRENT ENTRANCES AND EXITS THAT ARE PROPOSED. WE ARE PROPOSING FENCING AND GATES AND SUCH NOT FOR THE WHOLE PARKING FACILITY, BUT WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE IT ADEQUATELY. SO MOST OF THE CARS ARE INDICATED AREA, BUT THE FUND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A FRONT ALONG ROUTE TWO OR SIX AND ALONG WEST STREET, SO THOSE CARS WILL BE OPEN. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT MOST OF THE CARS WITH THE FENCE AND GATE. SO THERE IS A FENCE PROPOSED PROPOSAL ON THE PLANET. EXCUSE ME PLAN. CAN YOU SHOW HER ON THE PLAN? YES. I SEE. AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE POINTER. WE HAVE OPPOSED FANS HERE, IT SAYS. THAT'S 16 OR 18 FT SWING GAME.
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16 FT WIDE SWING GATE. TO THAT. IT'S COVERING THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT PROPOSED 6 FT. HIGH ALUMINUM FENCE. IT SAYS, CORRECT , RIGHT. WE'LL NEED A VARIANCE FOR RIGHT. SO WE DIDN'T GET TO IT YET, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET TO PROVIDE TESTIMONIES, AND THEN IT COMES DOWN. AND STOPS HERE. AND THEN WE HAVE AN OFFENSE HERE, WHICH WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING A WHOLE NEW FENCE ALL ALONG. THE REAR OF THIS WAY. AND THEN RUN INTO HERE, SO THIS AREA WILL BE A TOTAL GATED. FENCED AREA. UM, I ALSO THE ENGINEER FOR BAKER JEEP, AND MOST OF HIS AREA IS FENCED IN HIS TOO, BUT YOU DON'T WANT FENCE ALONG RUTO OF SEX. WE PUSHED IT AWAY. I DON'T WANT A FENCE ALONG. I'M NOT. I WOULD THINK CHARLIE MIGHT WANT IT. BUT YOU DON'T WANT THE APPEARANCE OF OFFENSE, SO WE'LL HAVE CAMERAS WILL HAVE EVERYTHING AND THE POLICE DOES MONITOR THESE. THESE CAR DEALERSHIPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEFT ISN'T THERE, AND OBVIOUSLY HERE, POLLY PARK IS MOST EXPENSIVE CARS. IN THE FENCED AREAS, SO HOW MANY CARS WOULD BE EXPOSED OUT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE FENCING AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS. 3518 I WOULD SAY 60. 50 CARS 60 60 60. ALREADY KEEP INTERRUPTING GAVE. DIDN'T YOU SAY EARLIER THAT YOU HAD THE EMPLOYEE PARKING WOULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING. IS THAT THE SAME AREA YOU'RE SAYING WILL BE FENCED OFF. YEAH I USED. NO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. UM EMPLOYEES. YOU'RE SAYING THE EMPLOYEE SPACES WOULD BE WITHIN THE GATED AREA AND THE INVENTORY? YOU HAVE ENDED INVENTORY. YOU GOT THE TOTAL OF 25 SPACES BACK. SO YOU'RE SAYING ONLY WHAT A LITTLE OVER 50% OF OR LESS THAN 50% OF THE CARS WILL BE IN THE SECURED AREA. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. FIVE SPACES IN DEFENSE OF THE AREA. 47 ALL OF THESE SPACES 20 OR BIRTH CUSTOMER. YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP ON GOING. CHINA AT LEAST MAKE IT TILL NINE BEFORE YOU HAVE THE LIGHTING BREAK. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE SKIPPING THE LIGHTING. UM, IT'S SEVEN LANDSCAPE DESIGN PLANNINGS TREES , DESIGN EXCEPTION IS REQUIRED. WE HAVE NO ROOM ALSO, WE NEED A DESIGN EXCEPTION AND I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO RICHARD BAR ALONE. WE WILL WHATEVER TREES WE CANNOT PLANT. WE WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE TREE BANK. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, STREET TREES WERE GOING TO PROVIDE MANY STREET TREES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. WE CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY WOODED. UM, SCREENING PAID. ALONG THE STREET TREES STREET. OKAY SCREENING. THIS OFFICE RECOMMENDS PLANNING OF 36 AND 40 INCH EVERGREEN HEDGE. WE AGREED TO DO THAT. ARCHITECTURE WE'RE GOING TO SKIP TO RALPH BENELLI. EVENTS IS, UM, WHAT NUMBER YOU HAVE. I'M SKIPPING ALL COMPLETELY OF EIGHT. AND NINE AS IT GOES TO BELL FINALE. HE IS THE ARCHITECT AND THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING ON PAGE 17 FENCES AND WALLS 17 OF 18. 10.1 EXISTING FENCE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE, THE SITE. PRESIDENT INDICATED THAT EXISTING CHANGE LINK FENCES RUSTED, PEELED BACK IN THE LOCATION PROPOSED REAR GATE ABOUT 16 AND PORTION, THE SPIT REAL OFFENSIVE. THIS OFFICE RECOMMENDS REPLACING ALL EXISTING FENCE AND GATES WITH PROPOSED BLACK ALUMINUM FENCE, WHICH WE AGREED TO DO. UM. HEIGHT 10.4 PURSUANT TO SECTION 16 5.3 B NO WALL FENCES OR ANY LIGHT DISTRICT SHALL BE ERECTED, ALTERED AND SAID FENCE SHALL BE OVER 4 FT. IN HEIGHT INSIDE REAR IN FRONT AREAS. THE PLAN PROPOSES 6 FT ALUMINUM FENCE. AND SIDE AND REAR LOT 15 TO VARIANCES REQUIRED. YES WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THAT, AND IT WILL BE BLACK ALUMINUM FENCE. AH! UH HUH. 10.5 IS A COMMENT. 10.6 FENCE PROTECTION. THIS OFFICE RECOMMENDS PROTECTING OFFENSES BY INSTALLING BOLLARDS GUIDE RAILS. CURVED OPENING SPACES. BUFFERS ARE SIMILAR FEATURES, WHICH WE AGREED TO DO. UM, NOW WE JUMP THROUGH. 11. WHICH IS CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS. 16 6.46 A NO PERSON SHALL ENGAGE CAUSE OR PERMIT OTHER PERSONS TO ENGAGE OR PROHIBIT USES IN THE FLOODWAY FLOODPLAIN FRIDGE. FLOODPLAIN, FLOOD HAZARD AND SPECIAL FOR HAZARD AREAS AND STREAM COURT AREAS ALL USE NOT SPECIFICALLY REMITTED BY THIS SUBSECTION OR[01:50:06]
PROHIBITED THE PLAN PROPOSED AND EXISTING WASTE AND CLOSURE AND PROPOSED WASTING CLOSURE WITHIN THE FLOOD HAZARD AREAS. THE STREAM CORRIDOR. AREAS AND THE STREAM QUARTER, WHICH IS NOT SPECIFICALLY PARADED, VARIANCES REQUIRED. AND YES, WE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO VARIANTS. UM THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY. THE WHOLE STREAM QUARTER IS PAVED. THERE IS NO ANY BENEFIT TO RELOCATE THIS DUMPSTER OUTSIDE THE STREAM QUARTER AS THERE'S NO BENEFICIAL, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE THINGS. AH! THAT BENEFIT FROM MOVING THIS THIS TRASH ENCLOSURE, UM, 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT I HAVE SHOWN ON THE PLANS IS BASED ON ELEVATION. IT'S PRETTY UM VERY CONSERVATIVE. AS YOU CAN SEE. ON THIS PROPERTY. IT RUNS THE REAR OF THE EXISTING, UH JEEP, PRINCETON JEEPS, PROPERTY AND UP AND AROUND AND WERE SIGNIFICANTLY AWAY. FROM THE FLOODPLAIN. TO THIS PROPOSED DUMPSTER AND PROPOSED AREA. THE FLOODPLAIN 100 YEAR. FLOODPLAIN HAS NEVER ACTUALLY REACHED THAT AREA, THE MOST THAT BRANDON BAKER'S EVER NOTICE. THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN IS TO BE THE REAR. OR THE EAST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HAS FLOODED, BUT IT HAS NEVER REACHED UP TO THE HIGHEST POINT. SO I JUST DON'T SEE A READ A REASON TO MOVE PAVED DUMPSTER TO A DIFFERENT PAVED AREA. THERE'S NOT. IT'S NOT GOING TO FLOOD. IT'S NOT GOING TO EVER WITNESSED ANY WATER. IT'S UH AND IT'S PAVEMENT. SO WHAT'S THE POINT? BETWEEN EVEN THOUGH SENATOR 100 YEARS FLOOD LINE. IT DOESN'T FLOOD ME IN THE WATER DOESN'T GET HIGH ENOUGH TO LIFT UP CARS THAT DUMPSTER AND WE'RE OUTSIDE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN AND I'M SAYING, 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN IS A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER AND I'VE DOCUMENTED WITH HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE. SORRY FOREVER. IT IS NEVER APPROACHED IT AND WE'RE STILL FAR ENOUGH AWAY FOR THAT EVEN TO HAPPEN NOW YOU HAVE A STREAM, WHICH IS THE VAN HORNE BROOKE, WHICH IS 300. ACRES OF DRAINAGE. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT. BUT IF YOU GET THESE HIGH INTENSITY STORMS, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCE 300 ACRE WATERSHED ISN'T GOING TO BLOW THROUGH A FLOODPLAIN. THAT'S THE PIKE RUN. THAT IS, THAT'S THESE.THESE MAJOR HAVE HUNDREDS OF 100 ACRES BECAUSE IT'S EXPONENTIAL. 300 ACRES. YEAH, IT'S BIG, BUT YOU GET 10 TO 15 INCHES. IT'S NOT GOING TO VARY LIKE THE PIKE RUN BECAUSE THAT IS THOUSANDS OF ACRES AND 1000 ACRES MULTIPLIED BY THE ADDITIONAL RAIN EGE THAT CREATES THE MAJOR FLOODING AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE EXPERIENCING. IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND WE'RE GOING INTO A TANGENT. IT'S ABOUT THE INTENSITIES THAT THIS TOWN HAS BEEN WITNESSING. IT'S A 10 INCH RAINSTORM TWO DAYS PAST THE STREAMS DON'T GO DOWN. ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX INCHES. YOU GOT THIS MAJOR DOLLARS I'VE BEEN HERE. I'VE SEEN IT. IT'S THE WORST I'VE EVER SEEN. BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHEN THAT RAIN STORM WAS COMING. I LOOKED AT THE STREAM AND MY STREAM BACK WAS ALREADY AT THE CREST. AND WE'RE GETTING ANOTHER SEVEN INCHES OF RAIN. YOU'RE GONNA GET FLOODED. AND IT'S A DO WITH THE CARS. IN THAT CASE, YOU MOVE THEM OFF A LOT. I THINK HE WANTS KNEW THAT IT WAS COMING. HE MOVED IT. BUT AGAIN. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT OFTEN. UM BUT YOU KNOW HE WILL LOSE CARS.
NOT MY NOT OUR PROPERTY LOT 16 OR 15, BUT THE HE'S SMART ENOUGH TO NOT HAVE THE CARS DOWN ROAD DOWN THERE. ESSENTIALLY THE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. THE THAT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF THE APPLICATION THE WELL IN IN A WAY, I GUESS, BUT THE RELIEF THAT THEY THAT THE AFTERNOON REQUIRES ANY RELIEF FOR THAT PROPERTY RIGHT? EXACTLY IS PART OF THE APPLICANT IS BUT THE RELIEF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT RELATED TO THAT PROPERTY OR THE FLOODPLAIN. IT'S RELATED TO THE ART STREAM CORRIDOR. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE OF THE STREAM CORRIDOR IS TOO IS TO PROVIDE BUFFERING AND PROTECT. THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE ANY STREAMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODPLAIN IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THE ENTIRE STREAM CORRIDOR IS PAVED AND HAS IMPROVEMENTS IN IT. CARTER ORDINANCES NOT TO PROTECT THE PAID PARKING LOT CORRECT. SO I APPRECIATE THE ENTIRE DISSERTATION, AND I AGREE WITH IT. BOTTOM LINE. IS THAT THE RELIEF THAT THEY'RE GRANTED OR THEY'RE ASKING, ASKING FOR COULD BE GRANTED, WHILE THE PURPOSE OF THE STREAM QUARTER IS NOT IMPAIRED ANY FURTHER, IT'S ALREADY 100% IMPAIRED AT THIS POINT, BASICALLY, JAKE SAID. NO.
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CAN TAKE IT RIGHT HERE. UM 11 POINT TO DEVELOP NO DEVELOPMENT 50 FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.CONDITIONAL PROBLEM, WHICH WE AGREE. WE AGREED TO THE REST OF THE TESTIMONY CONSIDERATION OF OURS CALLED JOE MCDONAGH CONSIDERATION. MATERIALS REVIEWED SO THAT CONCLUDES MY FIRST SECTOR SECTION, WHICH IS THE KEETON, HENCE, UM, I'LL DISCUSS JOHN AND I WILL DISCUSS WITH THE PLANTER ON THE LIGHTING. AND THEN IT'S THE TESTIMONY. I THINK SHE GOES TO RALPH. GREAT SO YOU KNOW WE'RE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM THE TOP OF THE HOUR. LET'S TAKE A BREAK AT THIS POINT. AND THEN COME BACK WITH THAT'S OKAY. DO YOU THINK YOU NEED MAYBE 10 MINUTES? YEAH LET'S DO 10 MINUTES. SO YOU COME BACK. YOU'RE GOING AFTER THE DISCUSSION. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO LIGHTING CORRECT. DID JOHN DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? ONE QUICK QUESTION. UH, IT'S ABOUT THE TRUCK. TURNING TEMPLATES. DID YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LARGEST FIRE ENGINES IN TOWN? UM I'M ASSUMING, AND THAT'S THAT'S DIFFERENT TESTIMONY. I'M NOT ASSUMING THAT THE TRUCK IS GOING TO TRAVERSE THROUGH THE CARS. I'M ASSUMING THAT HE'S GOING TO PARK EITHER ON ROUTE TO A SIX SHOULDER OR THE WALL STREET SHOULDER. I'M NOT SURE. UM IF I CAN GET A TRUCK I KNOW ROY MONDAY HAS GOT A WHOLE NEW, UH, NEW TRUCK THAT HE PURCHASED AND THERE'S A NEW TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATE THAT I NEED TO IMPLEMENT SO I CAN. I COULD THROW THAT IN THERE AND SEE IF IT'S GOING TO WORK BUT CAN CAR CARRIER ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE ROADS AND UNLOAD OFF THE ROAD? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A CAR CARRIER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE TRUCK. FIRE TRUCK HAS ACCESS TO PORK ON WALL STREET. STREAM, NOT COME ON THE SET. THE FIRE TRUCK'S GONNA QUITE FRANKLY , THE FIRE GOING TO PARK WHEREVER IT WANTS TO. UM, IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, THEY'RE GOING TO STAGE WHEREVER YOURSELF RIGHT? WE TYPICALLY TYPICAL SITE PLAN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE TRUCK CAN GET IN AND CIRCULATE NOT ONLY TO FIGHT A FIRE, BUT IF A FIRE TRUCK NEEDS TO GET ON SITE, THEY CAN GET BACK OUT. DAVE I GUESS PART OF THE DIGITAL COPY TEMPLATES THAT YOU CAN ALSO SHOW THESE GUYS ON THE BREAK. BUT THE TURNING TEMPLATE. YOU SAID YOU HADN'T SUBMITTED IT YET. YOU HAVE ONE TO SUBMIT OR YOU HAVE A DIGITAL THAT YOU CAN SHOW THESE GUYS ON THE BREAK. UM I DON'T HAVE A PAPER COPY OF ITS ON ITS THANK YOU. AND THAT IS ONLY FOR THE ACCESS OF PROVIDING WHY DON'T WE? WHY DON'T WE TAKE THE BREAK? DELIGHTING IN AND DO THAT ISSUE ALSO YOU'RE INTRODUCING THE EXHIBIT. YOU CAN DO IT AFTER THE BREAK. OKAY? HERE WE GO. WHERE ARE WE? A RE WE BACK? WE'RE BACK. WE'RE BACK.
OKAY, WE HA HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH DISCUSS THE, UH THE TRUCK MOVEMENT. WE'RE GONNA GO GLIDING LIGHTING. AND YOU'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT? MCDONOUGH IS GONNA WE WILL DEFER THE LIGHTING TO MR MCDONOUGH. LET HIM FINISH UP BECAUSE HE'S GOT THE TRUCK STUFF, RIGHT? THAT YOU HAVE THE TRUCK STUFF, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA DEFER LIGHTING TO MCDONOUGH, RIGHT? DO YOU WANT TO DO THE DRUGS? NOW? YOU OK, UM, LET'S LET'S BRING THAT EXHIBIT BACK. UM, I. WE HAVE TWO WAYS OF DOING THIS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS THIS? OK ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE STELLAR LAND APPS. UH THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT I PREPARED TODAY. QUICKLY UH, WB 50 TRUCK ACCESS PLAN OR DS ENGINEERING. THEY DID. WE CALL THAT A WE HAVE A PAPER COPY. WE'RE GOING TO MARK THIS AS A THREE AND THEN WE'LL GET A PAPER COPY SENT IN RIGHT? YES. THE TITLE IS WD 50 TRUCK ACCESS PLANE THAT IS CORRECT.
DATED APRIL 24. 2024 UM, IN DISCUSSION. UM, WITH UH, MR FINGER, HE BELIEVES THAT THE WAY I HAVE IT, COMING IN OFF THE ROUTE TO A SIX IS NOT PERMITTED, UH, WAY OF DOING, UH, ACCESS FOR A VEHICLE IN THE COMING FROM R 206 INTO WALL STREET. THE TURN THAT I HAVE THE B 40 IS A CAR CARRIER IS BASICALLY THE SAME SIZE AS THE CAR CARRIER. SO THAT IS A TEMPLATE THAT I HAVE. UM
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AND MY STAFF DREW IT. HE MOVED THE TRUCK TO GO INTO THE ONGOING TRAFFIC AS OPPOSED TO WAITING AND MAKING THAT TURN. AS JEFF SAID, I WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BY THIS BOARD TO HAVE THAT AS A PERMITTED WAY OF MEANS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS. SO IN DISCUSSION I HAVE WITH THE CLIENTS, UM CURRENTLY WHICH HE'S THE PRINCETON JEEP. APPARENTLY TAKE ROUTE 206 AND YOU FOLLOW MY RO. AND HE MAKES THE TURN INTO HIS DEVELOPMENT INTO HIS PROPERTY COMES IN. AND THEN BACKS UP AND THEN EXITS THE PROPERTY AND ON THE WAY, SO THAT WAS OPTION ONE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE PERMIT IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO UNLOAD. OR LOAD THE VEHICLES OFF OF THE CAR CARRY INTO THE PROPERTY, WHICH I WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A TEMPLATE TO DEMONSTRATE JEFF THAT HOW THAT WORKS. ONE IS THE CAR CARRIER GOES ON. LOT 1616 TO THE SOUTH TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN THEY GET DRIVEN ON THE LOT RIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU THAT'S THE WAY HE IS CURRENTLY. A LOADING THESE CARS RIGHT NOW. AND OF COURSE, I KNOW JEFF IS GONNA WANT TO SEE SCHEMATICS OF THAT WHICH AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, I WILL PROVIDE UM, I. I ALSO LIVE IN THIS TOWN. SO THERE THERE IS, UM THE OTHER WAY OF DOING IT IS USING AIR PARK ROAD, WHICH IS THE PRINCETON AIRPORT, WHICH I'M THE ENGINE NEAR OF AND KEN NBG ALLOWS THE TRUCKS TO PULL INTO AIR PARK ROAD. AND THEN PARK THE CARS THERE AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY DRIVE THE CARS TO THE PROPERTY.AND THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT HONDA EXCUSE ME. OPTION TWO. THAT'S OPTION TWO. SO WE HAVE TWO WAYS OF DOING IT. IF JEFF IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE WAY THAT THE EXCUSE ME, JOE FINGER SORRY.
UH AS I IF, JOE, I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THESE TEMPLATES AND THEY'RE GONNA BE ACCURATE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER WAY IS OUR PARK ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO A WAY THAT ALL THESE CARS ARE BEING, UM UH, BEING DROPPED OFF AND I AM THE APPLIC OF KEN NBG, THE PRINCETON AIRPORTS ENGINEER, AND I KNOW HIM VERY WELL. AND I KNOW IT. I WOULD BE ABLE TO GET PERMISSION FOR THAT, AS THAT IS, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, A ROAD THAT YOU KNOW. UH, WE CAN UTILIZE, AND IT'S NOT BUSY. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE. FOR UNLOADING AND LOADING THE CARS AS FAR AS THE FIRE TRUCKS. UM I. I THINK I CAN GET A SMALLER FIRE TRUCK IN BUT I THINK MAINLY THAT THE FIRE TRUCKS ARE EITHER GONNA PARK ON ROUTE 206. OR THEY'RE A PARK ON ON WALL STREET. TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY ACCESS IS GONNA GET RESOLVED. WE WOULD NEED A LETTER FROM THE FIRE COMPANY I. I DID NOT GET ANY REVIEW LETTERS FROM THE FIRE COMPANY SO I WOULD NEED TO GET THEIR SIGN OFF. OK? MR BONES, SEND A LETTER. TELL THEM THAT YOU'RE AT THE BOARD. BOARD WANTS TO KNOW. WHAT THEY WANTED. WHAT KIND OF CIRCULATION? AROUND THE BUILDING OR AROUND THE SITE THEY WANT FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS. YOU CAN MAKE PROPOSALS TO THEM, BUT ASK THEM. THE BOARD WOULD LIKE SOMETHING IN WRITING. IF YOU CC OR BOARD SECRETARY MAKE SURE THAT THEY RESPOND. MAKE SURE YOU PUT IN THAT. ASKING THEM. YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR INPUT ON I. I KNOW THE FIRE. SO UM, YOU KNOW, I WE JAY WILL PUT THE LETTER TOGETHER AND I CAN FOLLOW UP. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS RELATED TO, UH, BOTH YOUR A AND B PROPOSAL. UM AND A YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THE CAR CARRIER IS HEADING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. WHAT IF THEY'RE COMING IN NORTH TO SOUTH? THERE IS NOT A LIGHT THERE SO THEY WILL HAVE TO CROSS TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO COME IN. AND WHAT IS THE ARC? WILL THEY HAVE TO GO INTO THE OTHER LANE IN ORDER TO DO SO? UM WELL FROM IF HE'S EXITING, AND HE'S MAKING A LEFT, UM, THE DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE DAY OF THESE DELIVERIES, WHICH I WOULD THINK WOULD BE OFF PEAK. UM HE'S GOING TO. YEAH HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO ON TIME TO MAKE THAT TURN. HE'S GONNA CROSS TRAFFIC, BUT I'M I'M I'M CONFUSED ON I ASK ABOUT COMING INTO THE SITE, WHICH IS COMING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. MAKING A 206 TO THE DRIVEWAY FOR LOT, 16. ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THE SAME ISSUE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD IF THEY WENT RIGHT INTO, UH, YOUR YOUR FACILITY, OR IS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THAT ROAD THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO SEE? I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO RUN THAT TEMPLATE THAT YOU'RE OUT. I
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MEAN, I. I GAVE THAT SOME THOUGHT, TOO. THAT'S WHY I SAID, WE HAVE OPTION A AND OPTION B BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE THE TRUCK TIRES MIGHT BE A YOU KNOW, RUNNING THAT CURVE OR RUNNING OVER THE CURB. UM WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED, SO I. I HAVE TO RUN THAT IT'S A SHARP TURN. SO I SEE IF THAT DOES WORK. AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, UM MR PEROT IS HERE. HE CAN TESTIFY. YOU KNOW IF THAT TRUCK IS RUNNING THAT CURVE TO GET THAT TURN IN, BUT II, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY IT'S GOING TO WORK WITHOUT PUTTING THAT TEMPLATE ON THERE AT MAXIMUM.HOW MANY CARS WOULD THESE CAR CARRIERS? UH, BE CARRYING? WHAT WHAT IS THEIR MAXIM? THERE MAY BE TWO ON A SEVEN CARRIER BUT. EIGHT AND SO WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE LENGTH OF THAT, UH, CAR CARRIER? PARDON? AND THAT EQUATES TO HOW MANY. HE'S NOT GONNA LOOK. CAN YOU COME UP? IT'S NOT GONNA PICK UP. IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THE RECORDING. CAN YOU JUST COME UP AND ANSWER IT? COORDINATES. THE TRAILER AND THEN UH, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL TRUCK PART? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 65 FT. CAR CARRIER. UM WHAT WE'RE USING IS A WB FOUR WB 50, WHICH IS AN OVERALL 55 FT. 55 FT WIDE TRUCK. L. THAT'S THE LENGTH OF THE CARRYING BASE IS, UH, 35.5 IN THE IN THE TRUCK PART IS 12.5. IT'S PER THIS IS THE DESIGN DETAILS THAT WE USE. OKAY SO YOU, UM, SIMULATION OF THE TURNING WITH RESPECT TO BOTH PLANS A AND B, WILL THEY? BOTH PLANTS, THEN WILL ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. THE, UH, LEFT TURNS IN OKAY? AND HOW DOES THE SIZE OF THE CARD CARRIER COMPARED TO A FIRE TRUCK? THAT THAT I DON'T HAVE ON ME, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. SO THEN, AS A CONDITION, THEN FOR APPROVAL, THEN NO CARS COULD BE DELIVERED TO YOUR, UM NEW FACILITY THAT THEY REQUIRE.
THE CAR CARRIERS. WOULD NOT COME ON. LIKE 15. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHICH OPTION RIGHT? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. OK, WHICH, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHICH OPTION WILL BE PROPOSED? AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING. THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO SHOW US TEMPLATE. FOR HOW THEY'RE PURPORTING TO DO IT ON THE LAST 15 LIKE THE LAST 16 LIKE THEY'RE DOING NOW. AND THEY'RE GONNA ALSO SAY WE NEED TO DO THAT. WHERE THE AIRPORT THEY MIGHT SAY WE WANT THE OPTION TO GO BOTH WAYS. BUT WE PREFER BOTH WAYS. YEAH, BUT WE WON'T BE BRINGING OKAY. THE CAR UNDERSTOOD CARRIERS ONTO, UH, 15 CORRECT. AND THE CONDITION WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T PARK THEM IN THE STREET.
RIGHT? MCDONOUGH IS DOING LIGHTING. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? THAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU'RE NOT DONE RIGHT? I AM DONE WITH THE CAKE THAT EMPLOYEE PARKING THAT THEY ASK YOU ABOUT. WHEN YOU MOVE THE EMPLOYEE PARKING. YES WE CAN. YEAH. EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT. I'M GONNA GO IN THE HALL AND CALCULATE THE SIDEWALK FOR YOU. SO THEN, UH, THERE WOULD BE LESS CARS. ASSUMED WE WERE GOING TO FINISH TONIGHT. OH, OK. TAKE YOUR TIME, RIGHT? OH, I'LL I'LL WE'RE WE'RE NOT DONE WITH MR SCHMIDT'S TESTIMONY. WE WE'RE BIFURCATING IT TO ARE WE GONNA HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THE LIGHTING? MISTER MCDONOUGH IS GONNA LEAD THAT. HE'S PREPPING BACK THERE. LOOK AT. BUT UH, SINCE SINCE WE SKIPPED OVER THE ARCHITECTURE AND SIGNAGE, COMMENTS IN THE CLARK KEATON HITS MEMO, I'M GONNA HAVE OUR ARCHITECT ADDRESS THAT. GOING.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN SWORN, WOULD YOU GIVE THE BOARD THE BENEFIT OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION
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AND LICENSING AND EXPERIENCE. SURE UH, I'M A GRADUATE OF THE JERSEY OF TECHNOLOGY. LOUDER INTERNET MICROPHONES. I'M A GRADUATE OF NJIT. THE NEW JERSEY INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY 1981.I'VE BEEN LICENSED SINCE 1984. IN MY OWN PRACTICE SINCE 1987 APPEAR BEFORE THIS BOARD. BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE THE LAST TIME, BUT IN ADDITION TO THIS BOARD ALL THE SURROUNDING TOWNSHIPS AND MAYBE 25 OR 30, OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I ACCEPT YOU AS AN ARCHITECTURAL EXPERT. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU? AN EXHIBIT OR IS THIS THIS ON FILE? I THESE ARE THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT FOR THE RECORD? SURE. THE FIRST PAGE YOU'RE LOOKING A T IS AN ENLARGED ELEVATION PROPOSED FOR ELEVATION BUILDING H. ON THE TOP OF THAT SHEET. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING ELEVATION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED ELEVATION. UH AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE SET, THE NEXT DRAWING HAS ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS OF THE SAME BUILDING AND THEN FINALLY, THE FLOOR PLAN OF THAT BUILDING.
UH, THE FOLLOWING THREE SHEETS ARE THE SAME ARRANGEMENT FOR BUILDING G. OK, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, IS NOTED ON THE PLANS. UH, TO BASICALLY BUILD A SCREEN AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING. ALUMINUM FRA ME WINDOWS AND GLASS, ALUMINUM FRAMING ALUMINUM LOUVERS AT THE TOP, CONCEALING THE, UH, EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF. INSIDE THE BUILDING. UH, LET'S SEE IN SO. THAT'S ALL FOR ELEVATIONS OF THE SAME BUILDING.
HE'S GOOD THAT WAY, RIGHT? AND THEN, UH, THE FLOOR PLAN OF THAT BUILDING. SO YOU SEE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN. THE SECOND STORY OF THE FRONT. MOST PART OF THIS BUILDING REALLY DEMOLISHED THE SECOND STORY, SO IT WILL NOW BE A TWO STORY SPACE THAT WILL BE THE DISPLAY AREA FOR THE VEHICLES OFFICE SPACE. MR CARON DESCRIBED EARLIER. BE SOME OFFICE SPACE IN THE BACK.
ELEVATOR RESTROOM, UH, AMENITIES FOR, UH, CUSTOMERS AND THEN SOME MORE OFFICE SPACE, UH, UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR. BUT THE BUT THE PRIMARY FEATURE OF THESE BUILDINGS IS A TWO STORY SHOWROOM SPACE. UH EXPECT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CARS WILL BE ELEVATED. SOME ON THE GROUND SHOULD BE A PRETTY PRETTY DYNAMIC LOOKING SHOWROOM. AS I SAID THE NEXT THREE SHEETS ARE REALLY THE SAME ARRANGEMENT OF UH, OF BUILDING G. THE LONGER FACADE FACES THE FRONT. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE. UH GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL SMALLER WINDOWS UP AT THE SECOND FLOOR, ESPECIALLY IN THE DISPLAY AREAS, LARGER WINDOWS TO GET A MORE OPEN VIEW AND THEN SECOND FLOOR. IT'S THERE IS NO SECOND FLOOR IN THE DISPLAY AREA. IT'S LIKE THIS SPACE IT HIGH. CORRECT, CORRECT, OK? AND THEN ABOVE THAT THIS LOUVRE SYSTEM TO DISGUISE THE OLD ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF. ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS OF THE SA ME BUILDING. AND THEN AGAIN FLOOR PLAN ARRANGEMENT. THE TWO STORY SPACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO STORY HIGH SPACE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY. UH IN THE BACK END OF THAT BUILDING, CUSTOMER AMENITIES, MEETING ROOMS, OFFICES, ELEVATOR THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DO HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMENTS, UH, BY THE BY THE PLANNER. IT'S OK. WE'RE JUST GONNA GO RIGHT THROUGH THEM. YOU JUST GOT VERY FEW COMMENTS. ON PAGE 12 JUST STARTS ON PAGE 12. YES, WE CAN FOLLOW ALONG. PAGE 12. NO COMMENTS ON PAGE 12 SPECIFICALLY. AS A JUST A NICE DESCRIPTION. RECAPPING THE SAME THING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HERE. UH 8.3 ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION. I THINK THE SPECIFIC QUESTION HERE IS THE BASE MATERIAL. SO AS I HAD DESCRIBED THE PRIMARY NEW MATERIALS IN THIS BUILDING ARE REALLY ALUMINUM AND GLASS, LOUVERS, FRAMING AND GLASS ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE EXISTING.
CURRENTLY THE LOWER LEVEL OF THESE BUILDINGS IS A BRICK VENEER. UH, WE WILL MAINTAIN THE
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BRICK THERE, SO WE'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT OLDER MATERIAL, SOME OF THE EXISTING MATERIAL THAT WILL BLEND WITH THE NEW MATERIALS. UH, THAT HIS LITTLE WARMER IN COLOR. WE ANTICIPATE THE COLOR SCHEME OF ALL OF THIS ALUMINUM AND GLASS TO REALLY BE, YOU KNOW, CHARCOAL, SILVER AND GLASS . THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT WARMER, UH, BRICK COLOR ON THE LOWER LEVEL ONLY OF THESE BUILDINGS WHERE IT EXISTS TODAY. UH, THAT'S REALLY IN RESPONSE TO 8.3 A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY ON MATERIALS. UM 8.4. THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, QUESTION ABOUT, UM PEDESTRIAN SCALE. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE TALK ABOUT AND I. I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN DISAGREEMENT ON THIS WITH THE PLANNING REPORT. UH BUT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ACCESS TO THIS BUILDING AND VISIBILITY OF THIS BUILDING FROM THE HIGHWAY, THE APPEAL OF THIS BUILDING IS DRIVING BY SEEING WHAT'S THERE. THESE BUILDINGS ARE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN A PLAZA. WE'RE NOT IN A DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT. UH YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY MUCH A GRAB YOUR ATTENTION WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, SO THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE IS ONCE WE'RE IN THE SITE, SO AGAIN, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. AND I THINK THE IDEA OF YOU KNOW A SMALL ROOF, SMALL CANOPY, SMALL, PENT ROOF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL IDENTIFY THE ENTRY POINTS FOR CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS. WE AGREE TO THAT. WE WILL INCORPORATE THAT INTO, UH INTO A REVISED THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN 8.4. YES. 8.5 BUILDING ENTRANCE ARTICULATION IS REALLY A FURTHER DISCUSSION OR REINFORCEMENT OF 8.4. SO YES, WE AGREE WITH 8.5. OK, HE SAYS A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED. BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'LL COMPLY, SO YOU WON'T NEED THE VARIANCE. WE'RE GOING. WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF CANOPIES OVER ENTRANCES AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ARTICULATION, SO WE WILL ELIMINATE THE VARIANCE WITH THAT. AND I FORGET THE PLANNER'S NAME, BUT INTERRUPT ME IF I'M NOT BEING CLEAR ON THAT.SO I STICK WITH JAMES AND HARD ENOUGH TO PRONOUNCE THE LAST ONE. DID MISTER FINALE'S DESCRIPTION OF THE TWO COMMENTS. IS THAT ACCURATE? SO WITH THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE, UH COMMENT. I AGREE WITH MR F IN THAT YOU KNOW , THIS IS IT IS ACTUAL. IT IS A HIGHWAY, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GET CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, I THINK THE INCLUSION OF AWNINGS YOU KNOW, PEDIMENTS THINGS ABOVE THE DOORS, ENTRANCES, GROUND LEVEL WINDOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'LL MEET THE SPIRIT OF THIS AS LONG AS THE BOARD AGREES WITH THAT. UM WITH 8.5 BUILDING ENTRANCE ARTICULATION. I IMAGINE, MR FELLA. YOU'RE YOUR IDEA. IS THAT SOME COMBINATION OF THESE, UM, ITEMS IN THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT IS WHAT THIS WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE SO ELEMENTS SUCH AS LENTILS, PEDIMENTS, ET CETERA. WHATEVER YOU THINK WITH YOUR EXPERTISE IS WE WILL MEET THE SPIRIT OF THAT. AND SO YOU DON'T NEED THE VARIANCE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. YES, YOU ARE. YES. THANK YOU. SO AND I'D IMAGINE IT BECOMES A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT I TAKE A LOOK AT THE FINAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. OKAY? UH 8.6. NO COMMENT. 8.7 NO COMMENT. 8.8 NO COMMENT. 8.9 NO COMMENT.
UM. A 10 ASKING AGAIN FOR SOME SPECIFICITY ON MATERIAL AND COLOR. I'D MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO THAT WE ANTICIPATE THE ALUMINUM AND GLASS TO BE CHARCOAL, GRAY AND GLASS. MAKE THAT A CONDITION. 8.10 WHAT HE HAS IN THE BOLD TYPE ON PAGE 15. WELL, I THINK IT WW WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, UM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. RIGHT? AND THEN THAT THAT BE CONSISTENT, UM, WITH THE METAL AND GLASS FACADES OF THE BUILDING. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE CHARCOAL GRAY. AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT CHARCOAL CHARCOAL SLASH GRAY? YOU KNOW, SILVER, CHARCOAL, SILVER AND THE CLEAR GLASS. CHARCOAL. COMMA. GRAY. NOT CHARCOAL, GRAY, CHARCOAL COMMA GRAY GLASS. CHARCOAL GRAY. WE'RE GETTING TO THAT AGE. AND TO BE CLEAR WE WILL. WE WILL CONTINUE TO USE THE EXISTING BRICK AT JUST THE BASE LEVEL IN IN PORTIONS, WHERE THERE AREN'T WINDOWS. UH, 8.11. UH, NATURAL MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDRESSED THAT WITH THE BRICK. AT JAMES JAMES. IF THEY JUST LEAVE THE BRICK ON THE BOTTOM. IS THAT ENOUGH NATURAL MATERIAL TO BASICALLY COMPLY SO THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE. SO THE THERE'S THE STANDARDS ARE A DIFFICULT MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE IF THEY'RE USING PRIMARILY GLASS ABOVE THE BRICK, RIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OBVIOUSLY METAL IN BETWEEN IT WHERE IT'S WHERE THE CHARCOAL
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GRAY IS COMING FROM. AND YOU'RE LEAVING THE BRICK BASE, THEN? YES, IT COMPLIES BY, I WOULD SAY BY THE LETTER OF THE ORDINANCE, YES. OK SO I'M GONNA MARK DOWN CONDITION YOU ARE GOING TO COMPLY WITH 8.11. YOU DON'T NEED A VARIANCE. CORRECT. 8.12 NO COMMENT. 8.13 NO COMMENT, EITHER . IT'S NO COMMENT. 8.14. YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY WRESTLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS ONE. I MEAN , THE WHOLE IDEA OF THESE BUILDINGS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, A VERY CLEAN PROFILE. THE IDEA OF THIS, YOU KNOW, CRENELLATIONS AND, UH, CORNICES AND THOSE THOSE ARE SORT OF OLD DESIGN FEATURES. SO UM AND I BELIEVE REALLY THAT THE LOUVER THE LUBBER TOP PORTION BECAUSE IT'S SEMI TRANSPARENT, AND IT'S MUCH MORE VISUALLY TEXTURED I. I THINK IT DOES. WHAT THE ORDINANCES DESCRIBING THAT IT WANTS A BUILDING TO DO. SO UH, WHETHER THAT'S A VARIANCE OR A WAIVER. UM MY SUGGESTION. IS IT A REASON IS GONNA BE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED DESIGN. IF THE BOARD LIKES TO PROPOSE DESIGN GRANT THE FROM THE FLAT ROOF COINS OKAY. THANK YOU. OR YOU COULD AGREE WITH HIM. W. SO THE WHAT I WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS CALLING FOR IS TRADITIONAL DESIGN, RIGHT? IT'S A PARTICULAR TYPE OF DESIGN. WHERE IN THIS PART OF THE ZONE YOU HAVE THESE MODERN AUTO DEALERSHIPS, AND I THINK THE CASE THAT MR FELLI IS MAKING IS THAT WELL, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO LOOK TRADITIONAL. THAT'S NOT WHAT THESE DO SO UNLESS THE BOARD SAID, NO, ACTUALLY, WE WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE A TRADITIONAL BUILDING FOR THE HCZ OWN STANDARDS. I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE OK WITH THIS LOOK AS AS PROPOSED THEN YOU STILL NEED THE VARIANCE LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY. THE SAFE BET FOR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS THAT THEY GET THE VARIANTS. SO THAT'S 8.14. I THINK IT'S REALLY THE SAME ARGUMENT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME DESIGN ELEMENTS FOR 8.5. IF YOU AGREE. I DO AGREE WITH THAT. YES. YOU STILL NEED THE VARIANCES, BUT THE SA ME ARGUMENT. UM 8.16 JUST GOING BACK TO, UH, I. I THINK I MENTIONED IT EARLY ON, AND IT'S VISIBLE IN ALL OF THESE. WE INTENDED THE THAT SECOND LEVEL. OF GLASS TO BE BIGGER GLASS. UH WE GONNA CAPTURE MORE OF YOU. WE WANT THE BUILDING TO GO FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM BUSIER AT THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE TO BIGGER AND BROADER VIEWS AS AS WE GO UP THE STORY, SO I, I REALLY WOULD RATHER NOT. YOU KNOW, DIVIDE THAT SECOND LEVEL OF GLASS IN THE SAME PATTERN AS A LOWER LEVEL OF GLASS. UH AND FOR THOSE BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE THAT BEHOLDER YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IF YOU LOOK WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIGURE ON PAGE 16 IN JAMES'S MEMO. RIGHT. I THINK THE BIGGER DRAWING IS EASIER. SO WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT. THIS IS THE PARTICULAR PATTERN IN QUESTION. OUR MEMO IS JUST CALLING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S WHAT HE YOUR MEMO SHOWS IN RED WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. RIGHT? OH, IS. YEP I'M SORRY. WE'RE HITTING PAST 930. SO YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WELL WHY? WHY NOT? WHY NOT MAKE INSTEAD OF THREE PANS PER UNIT LIKE TWO PANES FOR PER UNIT EACH WHAT? SO WHAT? I WHAT I HAVE DRAWN AT THE AT THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE AT THE GROUND LEVEL. THERE'S SMALLER WINDOWS UP HIGH. WHERE WHERE MY EXPECTATION THAT THAT'S THE VIEW I'M CAPTURING FROM FARTHER AWAY. I WANT BIGGER PIECES OF GLASS. I'M GOING TO HAVE CARS HANGING UP IN THE CEILING. SO I. I ALSO WANT THIS BUILDING TO GO FROM, YOU KNOW, AS ANY LOAD REACHES THE GROUND, IT NEEDS MORE SUPPORT. JUST THINK OF THINK OF HOW THE COLISEUM IS IN TERMS OF COLONNADES. I GET. I GET BIGGER OPEN AREAS AS I GO UP SO THAT THAT'S THE IDEA. I MEAN. THAT'S THE DESIGN PATTERN. THE DESIGN PATTERN IS IT GETS MORE OPEN AS IT AS IT GETS HIGHER. IS THIS A REQUIREMENT? UH, BY THE, UH, CHRYSLER UM, A RE. THEY IMPOSING ANY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ON NO. SO I DON'T. SO IF IT'S AN ATRIUM , ARE YOU GONNA HAVE CARS ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING? THERE IS NO SECOND FLOOR. BUT THERE ARE WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THEY ARE GOING TO BE HANGING CARDS. ASK THEM. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANG THE CARS UP IN THE AIR? WE'LL PROBABLY LIFT THEM UP IN THE AIR. WE'LL HAVE LISTS, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE LIFT.YOU KNOW GUY STANDING THERE AND THERE'S THE OIL CHANGE. WELL, NO OIL CHANGES, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO THE CAR. THE BOARD IS AESTHETICALLY. YOUR LIFE WITH HE PROPOSED ON THE PLAN, HE EXPLAINED WHY HE'S DONE IT. ON THE TWO FOR THE SECOND LEVEL. WHERE DO YOU LIKE? WHAT JAMES
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HAS TO FIXATED ON PAGE 16. MATCHES THREE AND THREE. IT'S HARD TO TELL WITHOUT A RENDERING. ONE IS ACTUALLY SEEN. RENDERING WHICH I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE. YOU CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU ONE SHOW YOU BOTH. OK? CAN YOU RENDER BOTH WAYS? SURE. OK? YEAH. THANK YOU. UH LET'S SEE, THAT IS, UH, THAT WAS 8.16. NO COMMENTS, EIGHT POINT 17 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? NO COMMENT. YOU YEAH. YOU'RE GONNA REVISE THE PLANS LIKE, HE SAYS. NO THAT'S ALL THAT. I THINK THAT'S TRASH RECEPTACLES BENCHES. THAT'S ALL GONNA FALL UNDER A LANDSCAPE.DESIGN. THAT'S I THINK. THAT MCDONOUGH THIS IS THE DESIGN OF THE FIXTURES, TOO, THAT THEY, YOU KNOW THE LIGHTING FIXTURES, THE TRASH CANS, ANY OUTDOOR SEATING THAT'S THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, SO I. I THINK THAT CAN BE DEFERRED TO WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE DOING THE LANDSCAPE. I'M I'M ASSUMING MR MCDONNELL WOULD DO THE LANDSCAPE TESTIMONY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IS ANY PROPOSED FIXTURE IS GOING TO BE, UH, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE. YEAH, WE CAN AGREE THAT WE EXPECT THAT SO YES. OK, SO? YES, I'M MAKING THAT A CONDITION. YES, ON THE COMPATIBILITY. YEAH. LEVI AT 818. PAVEMENT MATERIAL. MY FAVORITE. YEAH, WE EXPECT IT TO BE COMMENCE IT WITH RELATIONSHIP TO MATERIAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO THAT THERE'S NO RELIEF IS REQUIRED. SO THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITIONAL. YES. WAS DOING SCIENCE SCIENCE HERE. I AM EINSTEINS EVERYWHERE ARE SIGNS. UM SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SIZE OF THE SIGN THAT THE QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE, UH, WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN, UH, AND AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT DRAWING YOU KNOW, I IT IT GOES BACK TO THAT VERY FIRST PRINCIPLE OF VISIBILITY FROM A DISTANCE. 9.1. BUT 9.1 IS JUST INFORMATION. IT'S 9.20. I'M SORRY. PROPOSED CASH SIGN SIGN DISCREPANCY 49.9 0.4. I'M SORRY, 9.4. THERE ARE LET'S WELL, LET'S THERE WERE COMMENTS ON 9.2 AND 9.3. SO LET'S NOT SKIP UH, WILL CORRECT THE LABELING OF THE ELEVATIONS. 9.2. WE'LL CORRECT THAT. UH, 9.3. WE PROPOSED 22 SQUARE FEET. WE CAN REDUCE IT TO 20 SQUARE FEET. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE'LL ELIMINATE THAT VARIANCE. 9.4 9.4 WAS THE HEIGHT OF A SIGN. UH WE DO HAVE THE SIGN A T THE VERY TOP OF THE BUILDING. UM A AGAIN JUST FOR A MAXIMUM VISIBILITY AT A AT A DISTANCE. UM 18 FT HEIGHT EIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE NEED YOU KNOW, WE 10 FT CLEARANCE UNDER THE SIGN ISN'T ISN'T IS NOT EXCESSIVE. I REALLY DON'T WANNA DROP THE SIGN . WE ARE GOING TO LOSE A LITTLE A COUPLE OF SQUARE FEET. WE CAN BREAK THE TOP LINE. UM YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN DROP IT DOWN. SO IT'S 8 FT CLEARANCE UNDER THE SIGN, BUT, UH I MEAN, WE'RE AT 28 FT. NOW LOOK AT THAT. DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SIGN AT THAT SIZE? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT. SO IT LOOKS THEN VARIANCE REQUESTED. THANK YOU COME UP WITH SOME REASON FOR THE EXCEPTION. YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD SAY, I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN THE PEDESTAL SIGNS, SIGNS. YEAH, WHATEVER. THEY'RE CALLED. YEAH, SO, I. I THINK IT'S A GOOD DESIGN. OK? I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, COULD YOU JUST I I'M SPEAKING RIGHT INTO IT. THERE WE GO. OK UM I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF RAPPING AND EXISTING BUILDING RATHER THAN KNOCKING ONE DOWN AND A NEW ONE. IS IT ALL? JUST A COST THING OR WHAT? I. I JUST I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND. WHY? THIS MAKES SO IT'S I. I MEAN, THE REALLY ONLY THE DEMOLITION IS INSIDE, TAKING PART OF THAT FLOOR OUT TO CREATE
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THIS KIND OF TWO STORY SPACE WRAPPING THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN PUTTING NEW SIDING ON YOUR HOME. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE. THERE'S NOT OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE FOUNDATION. SO WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A NEW SKIN ON IT. IT'S REALLY THAT'S IT. I MEAN, I'D SAY FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A CONSERVATION. IT'S ALWAYS A THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG THING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW IF WE IF WE NEEDED VARIANCES FOR THAT, I'M SURE IT WOULD BE. IT'S ONE OF THOSE PLANNING IDEALS THAT MR DREW POINTED OUT IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION. PRIOR TO THE BUILDING DOWN. BRING IT ALL OUT IN THE LANDFILL AND PUT NEW MATERIALS. YOU'RE LEAVING WHAT YOU HAVE THERE AND YOU'RE JUST MAKING IT LOOK NICE. SO CAN I JUST ASK HOW THAT FACADE WORKS WITH THE ASPHALT ROOF AND JUST NOT CLEAR IT IT JUST IN FRONT OF THE ASPHALT ROOF. IS THAT STILL THERE? CORRECT? I JUST HOW DOES WATER WORK UP THERE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. THE WATER STILL RUNS DOWN THE ROOFS AND COLLECTED IN GUTTERS DOWN, DOWN, SPOUTS AND OUT THE WAY IT GOES THERE. WELL IT'S NOT GOING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPEDE ANY OF THAT. OK, SO THE SO THE, UH, FACADE WILL BE IN FRONT OF WHEREVER IT'S CLEAR. IT'S A YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S JUST, LIKE JUST LIKE, TRIM ON A DOOR. YOU KNOW, IT STICKS OUT JUST JUST ENOUGH. THANK YOU. AND IS THERE ANY LIGHTING ON THAT SIGN? ANY LIGHTING. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE OTHER THAN ENTRY LIGHTING. THE SIGN IS THE SIGN LIT. ILLUMINATED SIGN IS A SIGN ILLUMINATED. I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT. SO YES. YES IS IT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION SOMEWHERE THERE? I HA! I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. HOW OLD IS THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE DOING? UH, THE INTERNAL DEMOLITION IN. AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY ASBESTOS IN THERE? UH, THAT WILL NEED SPECIAL TREATMENT. I. I MEAN, WE'LL FIND THAT OUT DURING, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT OLD. IT'S NOT A 19 FORTIES FIFTIES BUILDING SO AS BEST IT WASN'T YOU KNOW, WASN'T COMMON IN THE IT LOOKS LIKE A SEVENTIES BUILDING TILES OR WHATEVER. THAT YOU GET TAKEN CARE OF. IT'S A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT REGULATIONS ARE OUT THERE. CORRECT CORRECT. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? PROFESSIONALS? BACK. I GUESS IT'S. FOR BOTH BUILDINGS . I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY TO GET THE CARS IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING. CAN YOU JUST POINT THAT OUT? WE WERE GETTING THESE CARS IN AND OUT. THAT THE VEHICLE ACCESS DOORS THAT LARGEST DOOR ON THE SIDE OF THE ELEVATION. RIGHT THERE. AND IS THERE ANOTHER ONE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, OR IS THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE JUST MEANT FOR AS A MANOR? UH, NO, MAN, THE MAN DOORS, YOU ARE ALL YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF TRADITIONAL LOOKING SWINGING DOOR THE BIG DOORS. WHAT'S THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THEM ON THE VEHICLE ACCESS. NO, JUST ONE JUST ONE JUST ONE. SO THE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS JUST A WINDOW. ANOTHER WINDOW. I THINK IT'S JUST THE PDF. MAYBE. IT.I I'M SORRY. INTERRUPT YOU. IT IS DUE ON BOTH SIDES. IT'S JUST VERIFIED. IN. THE ELEVATION? YES. SO THEN, IS THE INTENT TO BE ABLE TO BRING CARS IN AND OUT FROM EITHER SIDE OF EACH BUILDING. THE INTENT IS FLEXIBILITY. SO IF WE HAVE TO GET THEM IN FROM BOTH SIDES, IF WE HAVE TO DO A K TURN IF WE HAVE TO MANEUVER ONE TO BE ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING MOVED AROUND. THEN WE WANT THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, PULL SOMETHING OUT TEMPORARILY AND PULL IT BACK, IN. AND THEN I WOULD JUST ASK WHEN IT WHEN DAVE DOES GET BACK UP TO FINISH HIS TESTIMONY, WHICH PROBABLY WON'T GET IN 90 IF YOU CAN JUST POINT THOSE AREAS OUT ON THE SITE PLAN, SO WE KNOW WHERE WHERE THE CARS WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING. THAT WAS ALL I HAD, MR CHAIRMAN. CAN I JUMP IN WITH ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM? UM SINCE THE SIGN'S GONNA BE, UH, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. AND I. I BELIEVE SOME CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING SOME CHANGES ARE ARE
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COMING UP WITH SOME NEW EXHIBITS FOR THE NEXT HEARING. WOULD YOU MIND TAKING A LOOK A T? 16-5 0.3. UM THE 0.6. AND I CAN WRITE THAT DOWN FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. UM THE THERE'S JUST SOME STANDARDS FOR ILLUMINATED SIGN AND JUST CHECK AGAINST THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ILLUMINATED SIGN IS COMPLIES AND, IF NOT, AS FOR THE APPROPRIATE RELIEF. 16 536 16-5 0.13 UM D SIX. THE SV LIKE VICTOR D LIKE DOG. GREAT, OK? GOT IT. THANK YOU. A QUESTION AS WELL. I CAN SEE HOW YOU'RE HANDLING THE CLEVER OF THE SECOND FLOOR. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THE ROOF GUTTERS. THE EVE. IS THAT GONNA BE CUT BACK? YES. YES AND THEN COLLECT IT. IN WHAT WAY? AND THEN? INTERNALLY YOU KNOW, IF YOU EACH OF THE EACH OF THESE PARTS OF THE FRAME ARE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND, SO WE'LL CONCEAL THE, UH ROOF LEADERS IN, THE IN, THE MAJOR PARTS OF THE FRA MES. OK? WILL THERE BE ANY EQUIPMENT ON THE TOP OF THE ROOF IN TERMS OF HB AC? THERE ISN'T ANY NOW. SO WE'LL USE EXISTING LOCATIONS FOR, UH, FOR EQUIPMENT. WHERE ARE THE LOCATED? I'LL LET DAVE SHOW YOU ON THE SITE PLAN. THEY MARK IT DOWN ON YOUR LIST. YOU DON'T IF YOU IF YOUR PLAN DOESN'T SHOW WHERE THE HP EQUIPMENT IS. BUT IF IT DOES.AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT YOU HAVE ANY, UH LIKE DIMENSIONS ON HERE, BUT THE TOP OF THE NEW IS GONNA MATCH THE RIDGE OF THE EXISTING W. WE'LL PUT REAL DIMENSIONS ON FOR A GRAPHIC SCALE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO TRUST THAT RIGHT NOW. SO THAT THE BUILDING IS RIGHT NOW. DO WE KNOW BY LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS? NO. WE MEASURED THE BUILDING AND THEN THE ROOF PITCH. SIMPLE.
GEOMETRY. SO WE GOT THAT. WE DO HAVE A DIMENSION OVER HERE. JUST CAN'T READ IT. IS THERE ANYTHING TO MELT THE SNOW? IF IT ACCUMULATES, IT SEEMS LIKE THE SNOW WOULD GET TRAPPED UP ON THE ROOF. HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT GET DEALT WITH? A HEAVY SNOWFALL. HOW WOULD THAT IF ALL THE SNOW ACCUMULATES BEHIND THAT, SO WE MIGHT HEAT THE ROOF, MELT IT, SO WE JUST TAKE IT AS AS RAIN. AND THE LOUVERS THE LOUVERS. IT'S NOT A SOLID WALL. THE LOUVERS ARE LOUVERS. SO THEY'RE YOU KNOW, WIND WILL BLOW THROUGH. THINGS WILL BLOW THROUGH. WITH THE LOUVERS HAVE ANY IMPACT ON WILDLIFE? I'M I'M THINKING OF BIRDS HITTING THE GLASS WINDOWS AND THEN THE LOUVERS MAYBE CAUSING ISSUES. WHAT? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? YOU KNOW? HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'RE UH, I'M NOT INTENDING IT TO BE LIKE A SCREEN MESH THAT YOU S YOU SEE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IN THE PERPENDICULAR PLANE. IT'S LOUVERS. SO IN THE PERPENDICULAR PLANE, IT WILL LOOK SOLID. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT? SO, UM I MEAN TO THAT EXTENT, PROBABLY IT'S PROBABLY A MORE OBVIOUS BARRIER THAN THE GLASSES. UM BEYOND THAT, I. I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT. BUT THE GLASS IS NOT MIRRORED GLASS, RIGHT? YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE YOU KNOW GLASSES? IT'S CLEAR GLASS. SO I MEAN, YOU'RE AWARE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH BIRDS. CRASHING INTO MIRRORED GLASS BECAUSE THEY THE MIRRORS NEXT TO THE TREES, AND BUT THIS IS NOT THAT SITUATION. IS IT UNLESS THEY WANT TO DODGE UM, UM, TO DRILL.
I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THEY HIT REGULAR GLASS, TOO. IT IT'S THE WAY THE SUN HITS THEY HIT. THEY HIT MY BACK DOOR LAST WEEK, AND IT WASN'T EVEN A BIG, MONSTROUS PIECE OF GLASS LIKE THIS. NOW I KNOW AND I THINK THE I YOU KNOW, AND YOU READ ALL THAT STUFF RIGHT WITH THE WIND TURBINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WHEN IT'S WHEN IT IS LIKE A SCREEN OR A MESH. IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT BUT AGAIN, A T LEAST AT THE PERPENDICULAR PLANE, IT WILL APPEAR SOLID. SO UNLESS YOU'RE YOU KNOW, LIKE UP A T, THE SA ME ANGLE AS THE AS THE LOUVRE. IT DOESN'T APPEAR LIKE THERE'S ANY VOID, SO I THINK IT'S A MORE FORMIDABLE BARRIER. CAN WE SEE A SAMPLE? UH, WHEN YOU COME BACK
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OF WHAT? THAT LOUVER ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE YEAH, SURE. GREAT. COUPLE DOORS DOWN. THERE'S S VERY SIMILAR AT HONDA. VERY SIMILAR APPLICATION, THE BLUE LOUVRES AND THE UPPER PART OF THE HONDA BUILDING. WHAT BUILDING IS THAT? TWO DOORS SOUTH ON THE SA ME SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE HONDA DEALERSHIP. OKAY? YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'LL SEE IT IN. I MEAN, I. I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE OR A SAMPLE, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT IN REAL LIFE THERE. THANK YOU. A RE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY? UH, THAT'S PROBABLY IT FOR TONIGHT, THEN. UM WHAT THE GAME PLAN OUT IN THE BEGINNING, SO LET'S SO DONE WITH THE ARCHITECT NOW. I THINK SO, YEAH. COLOR, RENDERING. VERSUS JAMES, BUT YOU NEED THE ARCHITECT HERE. TO SEE THAT OR YOU LOOK AT IT AND MAKE A DECISION. YOU GUYS WANNA BRING THE ARCHITECT BACK OR NOT? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT HAVING TO BRING THE ARCHITECT BACK. YOU CAN JUST HAVE THEM DRAWN PUT. WE'LL SUBMIT THE COLOUR RENDERINGS. AND THEN IF THE BOARD OR IT'S PROFESSIONALS COMMUNICATE THAT THEY WANT THE ARCHITECT WE CAN BRING IN, BUT THAT VISION IN THE MLUL THAT SAYS THE RULES OF THAT THAT IS GOING TO APPLY. ONE OF THE INS IS SO THAT IF YOU HAVE A SIGN AND FIELD PLAN YOU ACTUALLY DON'T NEED TO PREPARE. I GUESS WE'LL PROVIDE THE RENDERINGS AND LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD COMMUNICATED THROUGH THROUGH ITS PROFESSIONALS, WHETHER THERE A RE OTHER QUESTIONS. OF COURSE.UH MR SCHMIDT GOT MORE TO DO. MR SCHMIDT WILL HAVE TO BE BACK, MR MCDONOUGH. WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE AND I'M GONNA BE COMMUNICATING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WHAT'S OUR SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR THEM TO GET NEW PLANS? IN? DO YOU GET TO SWEET. WE CAN SCHEDULE FOR MAY 23 IF THAT WILL GIVE THE PROFESSIONALS ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW IT. BIGGEST WAY IS TO YOU GUYS WANT MAY 23RD. YOU WON'T COMPLAIN. IF THE PROFESSIONAL REPORTS, YOU KNOW? COME IN UNTIL MAYBE A DAY OR SO BEFORE THE HEARING, RIGHT? THE ISSUE WE'RE GONNA HAVE HERE IS GETTING RESPONSES BACK FROM THE FIRE COMPANY, SO HE'S GOT TO PUT IN THAT LETTER OUT. YOU GOT TO GET THE LETTER OUT AND CARS.
FOLLOW UP WITH IT. OK. I MEAN, WE COULD SHOOT FOR THE 23RD. I MEAN, WE WERE GONNA DO THE BOARD MEMBER TRAINING IF WE NEEDED TO, BUT GOOD, OK? OR TRAINING. SCHEDULED FOR HAVE THESE GUYS SCHEDULED FOR THEM, AND IF FOR SOME REASON, THEY CAN'T GO FORWARD, SO THEY'LL BE HERE AND WE CAN HAVE THE TRAIN, SO THE HEARING IN THIS MATTER IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO MAY 23. NEED.
SAME PLACE IN SEVEN AN EXTENSION. EXTENSION. WITH THE EXPIRE ON MAY 28 SO YEAH. LET'S GET TO JULY 31 JUST TO PLAY IT SAFE RATHER THAN JUNE 30. A DISASTER. YOU KNOW THE POWER GOES OUT AND WHATEVER. JULY 31 WE ARE AGREEING TO EXTEND THE BOARD'S TIME TO ACT UNTIL JULY.
31ST 2024 OKAY? OKAY? THE UH, FUTURE MEETINGS WILL BE THAT THAT MEETING WHICH WILL HAVE, UM STELLAR LAND ASSETS, LC AND THE BOARD TRAINING AND, UM, KIND OF, UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO CANCEL THE MEETING ON THE 28TH DUE TO THE COUNTY NEEDING THIS SPACE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S OCCUPIED WITH VOTING MACHINES FOR THE PRIMARY ELECTION. WELL TO USE THEM. THIS IS WHERE, UH, SOME DISTRICTS VOTE, UH, IN IT, AND IT SO THAT I ACTUALLY SENT AN EMAIL TO THE TO THE MAYOR, ASKING TO MOVE THE ELECTIONS TO THE LIBRARY. SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY WILL COMPLY WITH THAT THEY NEED SOMEWHERE THAT'S SECURE, UH, AND CAN BE LOCKED
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AND NON ACCESSIBLE, SO UNFORTUNATELY, IT MAY NOT HAPPEN , BUT, UM, I TRIED, UM YEAH. DO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. OK, GREAT. THANK YOU. A* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.