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V AND EVERYTHING. IT'S AWFUL LOOKING UM AND THEN IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN WHEN THE ROAD STARTS TO CURVE LIKE THIS. UM YOU WILL SEE FOUR OR FIVE DEAD TREES. WHICH WOULD JUST STACK TOGETHER. UM AND I REMEMBER AS A CHILD LEARNING ABOUT THE ONE RICK SYNDROME. I DON'T KNOW. STORY. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE ONE LIVE UP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S SLOPPY.
YOU'RE REALLY INVITING MORE. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE THAT THERE'S SO MUCH GARBAGE ON THE ROAD EITHER. AND IT'S JUST AS BAD IN PRINCETON. AND IF YOU DRIVE ON ROUTE 27, OR YOU DRIVE ON 206, THERE ISN'T ANY AS SOON AS YOU DRIVE ON RIVER ROAD, IT'S FILTHY. BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST SEE THIS IS MESS. WE HAVE THE SEWER HERE, AND THEY, OF COURSE, HAVE DEAD TREES IN FRONT OF THAT.
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THAT'S PRINCETON'S PROBLEM, I GUESS. BUT IT IT'S JUST REALLY AWFUL. OK THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERNS. UM I WOULD REFER YOU TO GOING TO BEFORE THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE TOWN. THIS IS THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. UH, WE DO, UH, YEAH, YEAH, NO, NO, IT'S FINE. IT'S FINE. UM SO THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE MEETS, UH, AT A REGULAR INTERVALS, AND YOU CAN ALSO CONTACT THE TOWNSHIP. UH AS WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, NO NORMAL WORKING HOURS, TOO. YEAH. SHERRY. YEAH. WHEN DOES THE GOVERNING BODY MEET? MEET THE 1ST AND 3RD THURSDAY, THE 1ST AND 3RD THURSDAY YOU SHOULD GO TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS AND WHO, IF HE HAD AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING ON PUBLIC LAND, WHO IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING SHOULD HE ASK TO SPEAK TO WELL, I JUST TOOK NOTES ON WHAT HIS CONCERNS ARE SO I WILL TALK TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO FIND OUT WHOSE JURISDICTION THIS IS. CAN YOU WALK OVER THERE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD AND GIVE HER YOUR PHONE NUMBER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUST ONE PLEASE. ABOUT THIS. PERSON THAT I SPOKE TO WAS HE'S NO JACK. AND HE SAID THAT'S SOMERSET COUNT. MHM. I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO TALK WITH I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LISTEN TO ME, BUT I WILL. IN MY PICTURES. I JUST WOULD LIKE SOMETHING DONE. GREAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. A RE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR? UM THE BOARD. I I'M HEARING NONE. UH, ARE YOU COMING UP TO MAKE COMMENTS, MA'AM? GREAT GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH,[IV. APPLICATION ]
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR, UH, OUR MEETING. UM THE, UH, APPLICATION THAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY IS CASE. BAT 04 T 23. THE APPLICANT IS RENARD MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED BLOCK 29002 LOTS, 49 AND 501026 COUNTY ROUTE 518. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN WITH USE AND BULK VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT 11 STORY DRIVE UP SELF STORAGE BUILDING 9907. SQUARE FEET AND 13 STORY, SELF, UH, STORAGE BUILDING. 124,259 FEET WITH ASSOCIATED DRIVEWAYS, PARKING AREAS. LANDSCAPING STORM STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE EXPIRATION DATE IS THIS APPLICATION IS MAY 31ST 2024. AN AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION IS REQUIRED, UH, HAD WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS APPLICATION. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, UH LISA LAMELO ON BEHALF OF MERCURY KILLER AND WILKES ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING. OR MAY RECALL THAT WE WERE HERE, UH, BACK IN JANUARY. UH, WITH THIS, UH, PRESENTATION. AFTER HEARING SOME COMMENTS, UH, BOTH FROM THE BOARD. UH FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE PROJECT, WHICH I WILL ALLOW, UH, THE PROFESSIONALS TO GO THROUGH. UH BUT BRIEFLY, UH, SOME OF THOSE CHANGES ARE, UH, TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE OF THE LARGER, UH, BUILDING. UH, TAKE A STEP BACK. THIS WAS A, UH, PRESENTED AS A SELF STORAGE. UH FACILITIES IS THAT REMAINS, UH, A SELF STORED USE. THERE WERE TWO BUILDINGS ASSOCIATED. THERE ARE STILL TWO BUILDINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. UH, THERE'S A LARGER, UH, BUILDING AND A SMALLER BUILDING. A LARGER BUILDING INITIALLY WAS THREE STORIES THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO TWO STORIES SMALLER THAN TWO BUILDING HAS BEEN INCREASED TWO STORIES. UH, REDUCING, UH, ONE OF THE, UH DEVAS. UH, ACTUALLY WILL BE, UH, COMPLIANT. HE, UM OVERALL, I THINK, AS THE ENGINEER AND THE ARCHITECT PROFESSOR, GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT TO SEE THE ATTEMPTS MADE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF BOTH THE BOARDS, UH BO, BOTH THE BOARD'S CONCERNS AND THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS REGARDING THIS PROJECT. UM WITH THAT? I WILL REINTRODUCE OUR ENGINEER. UH JOSH SEWALD AND A FEW, UH IF YOU'D LIKE TO HE WAS SWORN IN AND HE WAS QUALIFIED ON THE DURING THE JANUARY 23RD HEARING. AND YOU UNDERSTAND YOU'RE STILL UNDER OATH. CORRECT? YES, SIR.UM AND UH, WITH THAT, MR ST, I WILL LET YOU GO THROUGH AND EXPLAIN THE CHANGES MADE TO THE SITE PLAN. UM FROM THE LAST HEARING. CERTAINLY GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY AGAIN, JOSH SEWALD FROM DYNAMIC ENGINEERING. UH UP ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S BEFORE YOU . THIS IS AGAIN THE SITE PLAN, RENDERING OVERLAY ONTO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND COLORED FOR TONIGHT'S PREPARATION PURPOSES.
OK, SO LAST TIME WE WERE UP TO EXHIBIT A FOUR WE HAD AN ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING DATED JANUARY. 23 2024. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS GOING TO BE EXHIBIT A FIVE? DO YOU HAVE A
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PAPER COPY OF THIS? WE DO HAVE A PAPER COPY. YES OK, SO LET'S GET THE PAPER COPY OVER TO JERRY.AND LET'S GET THAT MARKED AS A FIVE AND WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN IS A DIGITAL COPY OF A FIVE THIS IS THE, UH THIS IS, UM IT SAYS SITE PLAN RENDERING WE SAY COLOR RENDERED. SITE PLAN RENDERING DATED WHAT UH, WELL, THE EXHIBIT THE WOULD WOULD, UH, WOULD BE TONIGHT THE RENT THE SITE PLAN.
D IS REVISION. 3 MARCH 4 2024. SO IT'S DATED. MARK. UH, MARCH 28. 2024. IS THAT THE DATE? THAT IS CORRECT, OK? SHE DO YOU DO YOU NEED AN EXHIBIT TAG OR NOT? OK? ALL RIGHT. WE GOT IT. GO AHEAD. YEP YOU'RE GOOD. PERFECT SO AGAIN, REFERENCING THE SITE PLAN RENDERING. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OVERLAID ONTO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CALLED IT FOR PRESENTATION PURPOSES, UM, IN HEARING THE SOME OF THE BOARD'S COMMENTS AND CONCERNS AS WELL AS LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC WHEN WE ARE BACK HERE IN JANUARY, UH, THE VERY FIRST THING THAT MY OFFICE DID WITH THE ARCHITECT WAS LOP OFF THE THIRD STORY TO THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY. SO THE THIRD STORY IS GONE, AND WE WILL NOW BE COMPLIANT WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT WITHIN THE HC ZONE, WHICH IS 30, FT OR LESS. SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD AD SIX USE VARIANT FOR HAVING A BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 42 FT. TALL AND CHANGE. WE HAVE REMOVED THAT THIRD STORY COMPLETELY, AND NOW WE ARE PROVIDING TWO STORY BUILDING UNDER, UH 30 FT. TALL THE NEXT THING THAT WE DID IN LOSING THE THIRD FLOOR. WE DID MOVE SOME OF THOSE UNITS ONTO THE SMALLER BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO THE WW. OVERALL THE TOTAL FA HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM APPROXIMATELY 123,000 SQUARE FEET. AND HAS BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TOTAL TO ABOUT 100 AND 7000 SQUARE FEET. SO THIRD STORY OF THE BUILDING REMOVED OVERALL FA REDUCED THE NEXT THING THAT WE DID IN LISTENING TO SOME OF THE BOARD'S COMMENTS AND CONCERNS WAS WE ELIMINATED THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WENT THROUGH THE LARGER BUILDING ON THE SITE PLAN. IF THE BOARD CAN REMEMBER BACK IN JANUARY, WE HAD A LOADING FACILITY INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING WITH A DRIVE THROUGH EXIT. THAT WENT BACK OUT ON TO GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN T. WE NOW ONLY HAVE ONE DRIVEWAY THAT WILL ACCESS THIS FACILITY. WE DO HAVE SOME INTERNAL LOADING STILL FOR THE BIGGER BUILDING, BUT IT WILL NOT CUT THROUGH THE BUILDING AND HEAD OUT TO UH, GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN. UH, PIKE. ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF REMOVING THAT DRIVEWAY IS WE GET TO SAVE ANOTHER PIN OAK TREE THAT'S LOCATED ALONG THE ROADWAY, AND WE FURTHER REDUCE ONSET IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE.
FINALLY WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN COMPLIANCE THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE BECAUSE IN LOSING THE THIRD STORY OF THE BUILDING THAT SIGN WILL WILL BE ABLE TO DROP IN HEIGHT AND NOT BE COMPLIANT. THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR BOARD PLANNERS , UH, REVIEW LETTER IS A GREAT SUMMARY FOR THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW HOW MANY VARIANTS HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED FROM THE APPLICATION. WE'VE ELIMINATED ONE D VARIANCE AGAIN ASSOCIATED WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND FOUR OTHER C VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING AND I'M REFERENCING PAGE 33 OF YOUR PLANNERS MEMO AND YOUR REFERENCING THE MARCH 28 REVIVES A MEMO WITH TODAY'S DATE ON IT. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. MR DROVE THOSE OTHER FOUR VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED WITH THE REDESIGN AND RESUBMISSION TO THE BOARD HAS BEEN MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS ON ONE LOT. PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES FOR PARKING LOTS AND LOTS WITH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. PEDESTRIAN SCALE DEVELOPMENT IN THE HC ZONE. AND THEN WALL OFFSETS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THE HC ZONE. YOU'LL HEAR THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE STILL ARE A FEW VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. WE HOPE THAT THE BOARD WILL FIND THAT IN LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS OF THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS THAT WE DID TAKE A BRAND NEW FULL SCALE APPROACH TO THE PROJECT. ELIMINATE THAT DRIVEWAY KEEP ALL ON SITE TRAFFIC TO ONE CURB CUT ON ON GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE AND REDUCE THE OVERALL SCALE AND SIZE OF THE PROJECT. FURTHER THE REST OF THE CIVIL SET, WHICH HAS BEEN UPDATED TO TRY TO ADDRESS AS MANY COMMENTS FROM THE VARIOUS REVIEW LETTERS. NOW THERE ARE A FEW YOU HAVE AN ENGINEER, A PLANNER, AN OPEN SPACE STEWARDSHIP, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, A SHADE TREE COMMISSION AND A FEW OTHER REVIEW LETTERS. WHAT WE DID WITH THE REST OF THE CIVIL PLAN SET AS WE TRIED TO ADDRESS AS MANY OF THOSE COMMENTS AS POSSIBLE.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO REPORT IS THE RECENT REVIEW LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS SHOW THAT WE HAVE SATISFIED A LOT OF THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FROM A TECHNICAL COMPONENT. THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON FOR TONIGHT'S QUICK, UH, PRESENTATION PURPOSES, THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED SO WE ARE NOW ONLY REMOVING ONE PIN OAK TREE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE COUNTY ROADWAY IN ORDER TO PROVIDE OUR DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THESE TWO BUILDINGS, BUT WE WILL BE PROPOSING 112 TREES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY
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152 SHRUBS. 88 OTHER PLANTINGS SUCH AS ORNAMENTALS AND GRASS HEADS FOR A TOTAL OF 352 NEW PLANTINGS ON THE PARCEL. OVERALL THAT IS A HIGH SUMMARY OF THE MAJOR REDESIGN WHAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE NEXT UH, WITNESS WAS THE ARCHITECT SO YOU'LL SEE THE NEW BUILDING HOW TALL IT IS WHERE SOME OF THE UNITS HAVE BEEN SPREAD AROUND. BUT I THINK AT THIS TIME, IT WOULD BE JUST A PAUSE TO SEE IF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT C PLAN LAYOUT, LANDSCAPING AND ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU YOU MAY HAVE FOR US. WE LIKE TO WITHHOLD THE QUESTIONS TILL YOU KNOW TILL WE SEE THE APPLICATION AND COMPLETE YEAH. WELL, JUST FOR, UM AND SO THERE'S A UH, STILL A VARIANCE FROM. UH YES, THERE IS. BUT OVERALL, THE PREVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE SITE IS REDUCED.WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU . CAN YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOU? SURE. TRY NOT TO STAND THAT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE, UH OVERALL, THE IMPROVE COVERAGE ON THE SITE IS REDUCED, THOUGH CORRECT. SIGNIFICANTLY OUT THERE TODAY IS 65.3. AND WE ARE REDUCING DOWN TO 58.3. THERE'S A CHART. IN THE SULLIVAN AND CLAVELLE MEMO. SO IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED IMPERVIOUS IS 55. EXISTING IS 65.3. IN. THE PROPOSAL IS 58.3. IS THAT ARE THOSE FIGURES? CORRECT THAT IS CORRECT. THIS IS ON PAGE FIVE OF THE PLANNERS MEMO.
AND THEN ON THE SAME ISSUE ON THAT CHART. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE THE FLOOR AREA RATIO CHART IS CORRECT. ALSO THIS MEMO WAS REISSUED TODAY BECAUSE THERE WAS A MISTAKE ON IT. AND I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE CHART ON PAGE FIVE IS CORRECT. THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO PERMITTED IS 0.2 OR 20% IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. EXISTING IS 0.4 40.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND THE PROPOSED AFTER YOU MAKE THESE CHANGES. IT'S 0.83 OR 83. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, OK? AND UH, SEE WHAT WAS THE INITIAL, UH, FOUR AREA RATIO THAT WAS PRESENTED IN JANUARY. WHAT'S THE REDUCTION OVERALL BY THIS PRESENTATION FROM 1.02 DOWN TO 0.83? AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE HYPE BEING REDUCED. UM AND IS NOW COMPLIANT. UH, COULD YOU, UH, TELL THE BOARD WHAT THE INITIAL, UH, APPLICATION HEIGHT WAS COMPARED TO WHAT IT IS NOW. CERTAINLY WE WERE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 46 FT. AND WE ARE NOW DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY 26 FT, SO 20 FT HEIGHT REDUCTION.
AT THE, UM I'LL DEFER TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, TO MR SEAL. BOARD. UM WITH THAT, THEN WE WILL CALL OUR, UH NEXT. SUBJECT TO QUESTIONS FROM THE EXPERTS TO THE BOARD AND WANNA DO THAT NOW, OR EVERY WITNESS EACH WITNESS AFTER FINISHES THEIR TESTIMONY. BOARD. GETS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS FOR EXPERTS, THEN GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THEN GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. WE DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE END. WITNESS BY WITNESS MY DID NOT MEAN TO RUSH. I APOLOGIZE. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE BUILDING HEIGHT. UM, IT IS PERMITTED ON THE TABLE. YOU HAVE 29.67 AND 29.33. FT. THAT THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS ON THE SITE PLAN BULK CHART. UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE NEXT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE RECORD FILE. IT'S ABOUT 26.5 FT. SO OK, SLIGHT TYPO ON MY BULK CHART. BUILDING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL THAT WERE RENDERED ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT YOU'LL SEE SHORTLY ON THE NEXT EXHIBIT.
IT IS 26.5 FT. OK, SO WHICH ONE IS THAT? THAT'S THE PROPOSED DRIVE UP BUILDING. IS THAT 26 TO 26.5 OR IS THAT THE PROPOSED STORAGE BUILDING? THEY ARE BOTH APPROXIMATELY 26.5 FT.
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OKAY? MR VINER. I JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION. AND I'M REFERRING JUST TO MY MARCH 13TH MEMO. IT'S THE LAST COMMENT ON NUMBER NINE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRE TRUCK. TAIL SWING OF THE FIRE TRUCK HAS TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF ISLANDS. IS THAT IS THE LANDSCAPING, OR IS THERE ANYTHING? FROM GOING OVER THAT. WE DO HAVE A SMALL CONCRETE ISLAND IN THE DRIVEWAY. THAT WILL JUST BE MOUNTABLE CONCRETE. IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, CONFLICTS. UH JOE ON THE INTERNAL ISLANDS. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS. BUT THE CONCRETE ISLAND AT THE ENTRANCE OF FRANKLIN. UH, TURNPIKE WILL BE ABLE TO BE DRIVEN OVER BY THE FIRE TRUCK. THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING IN THERE. THAT WAS IT. MR CHAIRMAN. I WILL SAY THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS FOR THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINE. RIGHT? ALRIGHT SINCE YOU'RE MOVING ON. WE'LL ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO CROSS EXAMINE THIS WITNESS. UM IF ANYBODY WANTS TO, UH, THEY, UM THERE'S A REMINDER THAT THIS IS NOT A PORTION OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU CAN EXPRESS ANY, UM, OF YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS ONLY TO ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS TO THE ENGINEER. I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. GREAT. GOOD EVENING, MR CHAIRMAN. MY NAME IS ANDREW. I'M APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. A MONTH, 10 SC, WHICH IS THE OWNER OF A SHOPPING CENTER. WITH THE SHOP RIGHT AND A AND A AND AN ASSOCIATED SATELLITES. STORMS. UM SCRAGG. FIRST NAME, ANDREW. UM. UH WE'VE HAD SOME ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNSEL AND TO COME UP WITH A, UH AN OPTION OR A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WOULD JOIN THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER, AND I WANTED TO SHOW YOU TO. WE MARK THIS AS AN EXHIBIT. MR DRILL FOR IDENTIFICATION RIGHT NOW, AND YOU WANT TO CALL IT S YOUR LAST NAME OR M AFTER YOUR CLIENTS? WHY DON'T WE CALL IT M? ONE M ONE, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY BEING MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION. YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW IT TO HIM.THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA ASK HIM IS HE HAS HE EVER SEEN THIS? YES WELL, THE NEXT QUESTION, YES. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT? SIR. I HAVE YES, OK. OK, HOLD UP. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO CALL THIS? WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION PLAN. SURE WE CAN DO THAT SO GOOD A DRIVEWAY. UM, INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN THIS APPLICANTS PROPERTY . I WANT A NICE SHORT TIME. THIS IS A DRIVEWAY INTERCONNECTION PLAN. THERE ARE A SKETCH. MAYBE MORE APPROPRIATE TO SORT OF FUSION THAT IT'S NOT A NATURAL. I CAN'T HEAR YOU NOT A SEALED PLAN. IT'S NOT A PLAN. IT'S SKETCH MIGHT BE MORE DRIVEWAY INTERCONNECTION SKETCH SKETCH. VERY HOLD ON DRIVEWAY. INTER CONNECTION. SKETCH. UNDATED. BUT GET YOU SOMETIMES ARE UNDATED OK ? I'D LIKE YOU TO PUT TODAY'S DATE ON IT. SO WE CAN WRITE. UH, 328. LET'S GET BACK TO THAT. UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAVE A NUMBER OF COPIES. SO THAT I CAN THAT I CAN. IF COUNCIL LET ME ASK COUNCIL. DO YOU WANT HIM TO HAND THEM OUT? SO THE BOARD KNOWS WHAT HE'S ASKING HIM ABOUT. THAT WOULD BE FINE THAT BE GREAT. MAKE SURE YOU GIVE THE MARKED ONE TO SHERRY, PLEASE.
I'LL GET THE ONE THAT THEY WORK. NO. EVERYONE ON THE BOARD WOULD THEY'RE PASSING THEM OUT. YOU GUYS JUST MARK THIS M ONE. AND, SIR, HAVE YOU. ANY COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO THIS PLAN AS A AS IT RELATES TO YOUR YOUR NEW PROPOSAL. UM, YOUR IN TERMS OF FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT OF
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VIEW. YOU'RE ASKING MY OPINION ON UH, I'LL SAY THIS. PERSONALLY IT IS, FROM MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION SHOWN ON THE PLAN IS NOT IDEAL. UM SELF STORED JUICES, WHICH YOU WILL HEAR SHORTLY FROM OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT DO NOT GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. IT IS MY CONCERN FROM THE CIVIL SITE ENGINEER AND THE ON SITE CIRCULATION THAT CONNECTING TO A SUCCESSFUL AND LARGE SHOPPING CENTER WILL THEN HAVE A LOT OF CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS FACILITY. THE SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU WAS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE 15 TO 16 CARS IN THEIR PARKING SPACES AND THEN THE OCCASIONAL BOX TRUCK WHO WILL UTILIZE THAT BACK REAR ACCESS AISLE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE TO GO INTO THAT INTERNAL LOADING AREA. WHEN THEY ARE DONE UNLOADING. THEY HAVE TO BACK UP INTO THE, UH AND THEN MANEUVER THEIR WAY BACK TO THE MAIN DRIVE ALE TO THE ROAD. SO THAT FUNCTIONS AND WORKS WELL IN ITS PROTOTYPICAL OF A SELF STORAGE FACILITY. BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT COMES OUT OF THAT. ONLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE UTILIZING THOSE TWO DOORS. BUT IF YOU MAKE A TWO WAY CROSS ACCESS DRIVE AISLE BETWEEN A VERY LARGE, SUCCESSFUL SHOPPING CENTER AND OUR PROPERTY. MAYBE SOMEBODY MAY BE TRYING TO AVOID THE LIGHT OF 2006 AND CR 518. AND THAT WILL CREATE KIND OF A CUT THROUGH AND A BYPASS AGAIN. I AM NOT YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THIS EVENING. YOU'LL HEAR FROM MY PARTNER CORY CHASE. WE'LL DISCUSS MAYBE SOME TRAFFIC COUNTS AND OTHER THINGS. A SITE CIRCULATION STANDPOINT, WE DESIGN THE LAYOUT THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TO TRULY JUST ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE THAT WE UTILIZING THIS FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD DESIGN IT THE SAME WAY KNOWING THAT I WOULD HAVE A CUT THROUGH DRIVEWAY TO ANOTHER PROPERTY. UM I'D LIKE TO IDENTIFY IN ANOTHER EXHIBIT. BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THAT, CAN I CAN I PAUSE THERE AND ASK OUR PLANNER? UM YOUR OPINION, UH, ABOUT THIS. MAYBE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT ALSO. YES. UM SO. FROM AN ORDINANCE STANDPOINT . FIRST OF ALL CLOSER TO THE MIC , AND I WAS GONNA SAY YES.START. WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE SAY? IF ANYTHING CAN YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT TO JUST FLIP THROUGH THE EXACT PLEASE, PLEASE? AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW THAT THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS WERE GIVEN THIS SKETCH. NEVER YESTERDAY OR TODAY. WELL YESTERDAY. UM SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL OR EXCUSE ME HC ZONE AND PURSUANT TO 16-4 0.12 F 1 16-4 0.12. AND 0.1 0.1, WE'RE FEASIBLE. DRIVEWAYS PROVIDING VEHICULAR ACCESS BETWEEN ADJACENT PROPERTIES SHALL BE PERMITTED WITH APPROPRIATE CROSS EASEMENTS AND THE ON SITE, CIRCULATION SYSTEMS AND PARKING AREAS SHALL BE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE SUCH INTERCONNECTIONS BETWEEN ADJACENT LOTS. UM WE IDENTIFIED AS EARLY AS I BELIEVE. THE FIRST VERSION OF OUR REPORT WAS IN NOVEMBER. THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE MONTGOMERY SHOPPING CENTER, UM TO THE NORTH AND WW TO THE WEST. SO FROM A THE INTENTION OF THE HC ZONE. UM THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE MANEUVER, RIGHT? THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO LINK THE SITES. IT'S THIS AREA WHILE IT'S CALLED THE HD HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE IS ENVISIONED TO BE A PEDESTRIAN AND VILLAGE LIKE ATMOSPHERE. IT JUST NAMED STRANGELY FOR THAT, UM, SO THAT CONNECTION MAKES SENSE FROM THE WAY THAT THE SUN WAS DESIGNED, UM, AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, AND HAVING HAD A COLLEAGUE FROM MY OFFICE. GO TO THAT SITE, PERFORM A SITE VISIT AND SEE WHAT'S THERE NOW, UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING KIND OF A WITH THE EXISTING PARKING LOT, AND THERE'S WHAT WHAT APPEARS TO BE A BEATEN DIRT PATH, RIGHT, SO PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THIS SITE TO GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER ALREADY, UM, WHILE I TAKE MR SEAL'S POINT, ABOUT CIRCULATION AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, THE CONNECTION OF HAVING THE SIDEWALK THERE WOULD CREATE A SAFE WAY TO DO THAT. IT WOULD ALSO GIVE ACCESS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER FOR FOLKS FROM, UH, GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. SO FROM A PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION PERSPECTIVE, I. I THINK IT IS A VERY GOOD THING AS A PLANNER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE. UM IT MAKES LOGICAL SENSE TO ME FROM A VEHICULAR TRAFFIC STANDPOINT. BUT BEING I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, ROAD TRAFFIC ENGINEER. IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT, THAT I MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF, I WOULD I WOULD ASK THE ENGINEERS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. UM AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS. UH, REGARDING THAT. MY COMMENTS REGARDING THE CROSS LOUD. MY COMMENTS REGARDING CROSS ACCESS WAS ABOUT LOUDER. MY COMMENTS REGARDING THE CROSS ACCESS WAS ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY
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AND VEHICULAR MOVEMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE MY APPLICANT HAS ANY PROBLEM WITH PROPOSING AND WORKING WITH THE PROFESSIONALS IN THE NEIGHBOR ON A PEDESTRIAN ACTION FROM GEORGETOWN, FRANK AND TURNPIKE THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH CREATING A SIDEWALK AND WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO GET PEDESTRIANS SAFELY THROUGH THIS SITE TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. MY CONCERN IS VEHICULAR. TRAFFIC BASED ON THE SITE DESIGN, THE INTERNAL LOADING AND THE FACT THAT IT WILL GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE SITE THAN WHAT A REGULAR SELF STORAGE USE WOULD DO. CAN YOU READ THAT ORDINANCE AGAIN? SLOWLY. IS IT TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN? UM NO. THIS IS THE ORDINANCE IS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT VEHICULAR CROSS ACCESS AND DRIVEWAYS. DRIVEWAYS OF DON'T HAVE TO READ ANYMORE. OK, OK. ANOTHER EXHIBIT IN LIGHT OF THE TESTIMONY. UM I CALL TWO WITH TODAY'S DATE. CHILDREN FIRST IS THIS ONE. I ASSUME THEY HAVE NOT SEEN WE? NO, WE HAVE UH , YEAH, WE HAVE SEEN THIS WE HAVE SEEN OF THOSE ALSO, I HAVE FOR OK? DOES THIS ONE HAVE A DATE ON IT? UH, WE? WE JUST MARKED IT. UH 3 28 24. FOR THE RECORD, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH M ONE AND M. TWO IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN IS, UH, ONE HAS TWO WAY TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE SITES AND ONE WAY HAS ONE WAY TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE LET'S GO BACK TO M ONE THAT IS A TWO WAY DRIVEWAY, INTERCONNECTION SKETCH , AND M TWO IS GOING TO BE A ONE WAY DRIVEWAY INTERCONNECTION. SKETCH. BUT WAIT TILL WAIT TILL IT'S HANDED OUT TO THE BOARD SO WE CAN FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM. WE JUST NOTE, UH, THAT M TWO HAS THE DRIVE A, UH, IN THE REAR OF THE SITE AS A ONE WAY DRIVE AISLE THAT HAS NOW BEEN AMENDED TO A TWO WAY DRIVE AISLE. UH, BUT THE CONNECTION ON THIS IS ONE WAY. YEP. THAT'S CORRECT.INSTEAD OF MAKING US TWO WAYS. THIS IS A ONE WAY DRIVEWAY FROM THE APPLICANT SITE DOWN THIS THE SLIGHT SLOPE INTO THE INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER. TRAFFIC CANNOT COME BACK UP THE HILL TOWARDS TOWARDS THE APPLICANTS. UM SIR. HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS? UH CONCEPT PLAN.
YES I'VE SEEN THIS IN THE PAST. OK DOES DOES THIS PLAN MAKING IT ONE WAY? CHANGE YOUR TESTIMONY WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW? OR OR ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS WITH. NO, MY POSITION IS STILL THE SAME THAT EVEN IF IT IS A ONE WAY THAT I FEEL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TO AVOID THE INTERSECTION WILL CUT THROUGH THIS FACILITY TO GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. SO YOU ARE COMING AROUND. THE SELF STORAGE BUILDING WHERE THERE IS UNLOADING AND LOADING ACTIVITY.
AN OFFICIALLY THAT UH, TRUCK. THE BOX TRUCK MAY WANT TO COME BACK OUT TO THE LOADING AREA OR MAYBE THE FRONT OFFICE MAKING THAT ONE WAY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDING. WON'T FUNCTION. THEY WILL FORCE THAT EVERYONE TO JUST GO BACK THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER BACK ON TO 206 AND THEN COME BACK AROUND INTO OUR SITE, SO IT. IT'S MY POSITION IS STILL THE SAME THAT THE WAY THE SITE IS LAID OUT WHERE THE LOADING IS BEHIND THE BUILDING THAT IT CANNOT HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT IS A LARGE AND SUCCESSFUL SHOPPING CENTER. BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER FURTHER CORRECTIONS YOU HAVE. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. UM AND YOU'RE NOT BEING QUESTIONED BECAUSE YOU WERE QUESTIONING. YOU WEREN'T TESTIFYING. NO, IT WAS NOT. THANK YOU. AN APPROPRIATE TIME. I WOULD BRING THAT. VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THERE RIGHT NOW IS THAT, UH, CURRENTLY IN THERE IS NO PEDESTRIAN PATH THERE NOW. THAT'S WHAT JAMES TESTIFIED TO. YES, AND THAT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL PATH, BUT IT IS ONE THAT IS USED IN THAT MANNER.
IT'S NOT USED FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW. NO NO, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM NO QUESTIONS. MR CHAIRMAN. ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THIS IS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING EITHER OF THESE SKETCHES. UH, YOU KNOW, MY SUGGESTION IS WITH WITHHOLD JUDGMENT. SINCE YOU'RE SINGING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. FAIR ENOUGH. LOOK AT IT, AND I'M SURE THIS IS NOT FINISHING TONIGHT IN ANY EVENT. JUST BEING REALISTIC, RIGHT? TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MANY WITNESSES THEY HAVE IN THE BACK.
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THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS FINISHING, SO WITHHOLD JUDGMENT. TAKE YOUR TIME AND LOOK AT IT.THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YES. THAT TOO OFTEN. YEAH, THIS IS FOR PUBLIC QUESTIONS. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS SUSAN BRISTOL. I LIVE ON WASHINGTON STREET, WHICH IS THE SAME AS GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE AND THE SAME STREET ALSO KNOWN AS ROUTE 518, HIS TOWNSHIP RESIDENT OR OUT OF TOWN, ROCKY HILL BOROUGH RESIDENT. AND YES, B, AS IN BOY, RISTOL. THANK YOU. SO UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY UM, SUMMARIZE THE CHANGES THE WAY SHE DID, BUT, UM , ON BEHALF OF THE YEAH, NO, NO.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? PLEASE, PLEASE, JUST GIVING THE INTRO. OK SO MY QUESTION AND I DON'T AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ASKING ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE. I'M ASKING THEM TO SUMMARIZE FOR ME AND FOR THE PUBLIC. ALL OF THE CURRENT VARIANCES AND, UM UH, ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT DON'T CONFORM OR MEET THE CODE BECAUSE IT IS CONFUSING TO FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TRACK THE CHANGES SUBMITTED AND MY THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU. IS IT CLEARLY SO GO QUESTION BY QUESTION, SO I SUGGEST YOU GO TO PAGE 33 OF THE PLANNERS REPORT. GIVES A LIST AND GO THROUGH IT SLOWLY, SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HEAR IT BECAUSE I ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON THAT RELIEF. BROUGHT MR JOE AND I'M REFERENCING AGAIN. PAGE 33 OF THE BOARD PLANNERS. MOST RECENT PROFESSIONAL REVIEW LETTER THAT ITEMIZES THE VARIANCES IN DESIGN EXCEPTIONS, AND HE HAS STRICKEN THROUGH THE ONES THAT WE HAVE REMOVED. THE ONES THAT ARE NOT STRICKEN THROUGH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY STILL PENDING WITH THIS APPLICATION. THE FIRST ONE IS A USE VARIANCE FOR THE FACT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING A SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITHIN THE ZONE. THE SECOND IS A FLOOR AREA RATIO VARIANCE FOR EXCEEDING THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FLOOR AREA RATIO WITHIN THIS ZONE. THE FIRST C VARIANTS THAT WE WERE REQUESTING IS EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE. THE SECOND SEA VARIANT IS DISTURBANCE OF STEEP SLOPES. THE THIRD IS VISUAL BREAKS WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURE DESIGN WITHIN THE ZONE. AND THEN THE FOURTH C VARIANCE IS THE FLAT ROOF DESIGN IN THE HC ZONE. THE FOLLOWING ARE THE THREE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ONE IS THE CONCRETE CURBING SECOND IS SIGHT LIGHTING. AT GROUND LEVEL. AND THIRD IS SIGHT LIGHTING AT GROUND LEVEL FOR INTERSECTIONS. THAT YOU ARE, UM MAKING ALL OF THESE CHANGES. WHY DOES THE PROJECT HAVE TO HAVE ANY, UM, RELIEF? OTHER. UH, IS THERE ANY REASON THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE THAT YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE ALL OF THE, UM ALL OF THE REMAINING UM VARIANT. RELIEFS OR REQUEST. AND I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT YOU SEE ALL THIS HERE AS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER WILL ALSO HAVE A PLANNER SO THE TESTIMONY WILL BE WITHIN HIS AREA OF EXPERTISE, WHICH IS, UH, ENGINEERING. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. SHE'S ASKING. WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT? NOT WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR THE DEVIATIONS? CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR QUESTION? YES MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU CAN MAKE SOME DESIGN CHANGES, WHY CAN'T YOU MAKE ENOUGH DESIGN CHANGES FOR ALL OF THOSE, UM, NON CONFORMITY VIOLATIONS? PARDON? GO AWAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, SO I THINK HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PLANNING QUESTION. SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT. HE'S JUST I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. HE'S ANSWERING YOU FROM A ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE. HE'S HE IS NOT A PLAYER. I UNDERSTOOD I I'LL START FROM THE BOTTOM, MA'AM AND I'LL I'LL AND SHE SAID OTHER THAN THE USE. SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT'S WHY I SAID, I'LL START FROM THE BOTTOM ON PAGE 33. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. THIS SITE HAS CONCRETE CURBING THROUGHOUT IT. THE ONE AREA WHERE WE NEED A WAIVER FROM THIS BOARD IS THAT THERE IS NO CURBING ON THE NORTHEAST AXIS AISLE THAT WRAPS AROUND THE SUPERFUND SITES TRAILER. SO WE NEED A WAIVER FROM THE BOARD TO COMPLY WITH EPA STANDARDS ON SITE TO NOT DO CONCRETE CURBING BUT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY WILL ABSOLUTELY MEET THE ORDINANCE AND PROVIDE CONCRETE CURBING SHOULD AND WHEN THE EPA FINISH THEIR WORK ON SITE, WHICH WILL NOT BE FOR
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MANY, MANY YEARS, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO CONDITION THE APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT WILL THEN INSTALL THE CONCRETE CURBING ON THE REAR DRIVE AISLE. AND FULLY CONFORM WITH THAT, BUT AT THIS TIME, THE EPA WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO PUT CONCRETE CURBING. THE SECOND DESIGN EXCEPTION IS SIGHT LIGHTING AT GROUND LEVEL. THERE WAS TESTIMONY IN JANUARY, AND I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER THAT THE ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT A VERY, VERY LOW FOOT CANDLE IN ORDER TO COMPLY. IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT YOU CANNOT COMPLY WITH THE FULL CANDLE DUE TO IT BEING VERY, VERY DARK. IT IS UNSAFE TO PROVIDE THAT LOW OF A FOOT CANDLE. NOW WE HAVE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM YOUR BOARD ENGINEER AND PLANNER. WE HAVE REVISED THE LIGHTING PLAN TO GO AS LOW AS WHAT I AM PROFESSIONALLY COMFORTABLE AT PROPOSING. THE AVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE PARKING AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 1.5 FT CANDLES. THAT IS VERY, VERY DIM, BUT IT IS ENOUGH FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND OPERATE SAFELY AROUND THE PROPERTY. THE THIRD DESIGN EXCEPTION, SLIGHTING AT GROUND LEVEL AT INTERSECTIONS. ALSO IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS VERY LOW. YOU GENERALLY WANT DRIVEWAYS TO BE WELL ILLUMINATED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A SAFE MANEUVER IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY. AGAIN THE SIGHT LIGHTING AND THE INTERSECTION IS STILL VERY LOW UNDER 2 FT CANDLES, BUT WE DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE LIGHTING ON THAT ONE.WHY CAN'T YOU COMPLY WITH THAT ONE? THE ORDINANCE, IN MY OPINION IS TOO LOW. MEETING MEETING THE NOT BRIGHT ENOUGH. YES. YEAH. HE HE'S HIS OPINION IS THAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT IS TOO LOW FOR SAFETY. YES. THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS WHAT IT SAYS. BUT THAT'S HIS. THAT'S HIS ANSWER OF WHY CAN'T CHANGE THAT DEVIATION. KEEP ON GOING ON THE LIST.
CERTAINLY, MR JOE. AGAIN, STARTING FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE VARIANT SECTION, THE FLAT ROOF DESIGN IN THE HC ZONE NOW YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECT SHORTLY ABOUT THE BUILDING DESIGN, BUT IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION TO KEEP THIS BUILDING AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT RAISE THE BUILDING HEIGHT. WE HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR. BACK IN JANUARY THAT 46 FT WAS APPROXIMATELY TWO TOO TALL. IT WAS OUR WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND BRINGING THE BUILDING DOWN UNDER 30 FT, ACTUALLY BRINGING IT TO 26.5. FT IS MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THIS PROJECT. VISUAL BREAKS IN THE ARCHITECT DESIGN AGAIN. YOU HAVE THE ARC TECH COMING UP, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE WALL THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE VISUAL BREAKS. I'LL LET HIM TESTIFY TO THOSE ELEVATIONS. I DON'T BELIEVE THE BOARD HAS YET SEEN THEM. I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION, AND IT WILL BE THE NEXT EXHIBIT, BUT I'LL LET THEM DISCUSS THE VARIANCE THERE. LET'S GO BACK TO THE FLAT ROOF DESIGN. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE REASON THAT CAN'T BE ELIMINATED IS TO KEEP THE BUILDING LOW ENOUGH TO COMPLY WITH THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION. YOU NEED A FLAT ROOF. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FLAT ROOF, YOU'D NEED A HEIGHT VARIANCE. MY IT IS MY TESTIMONY THAT THE FACT THAT WE ARE HERE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED IN THE ZONE THAT IT IS BETTER TO BRING THE HEIGHT DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THE ZONE ALLOWS 30 FT. RIGHT RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO THAT CHART ON PAGE FIVE AGAIN. THE NUMBERS THAT JAMES HAD IN. THERE WERE INCORRECT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S JAMES FAULT. YOU SAID 29 AND 26.5 IS MY TESTIMONY AND YOU'LL SEE IT SHORTLY ON THE ELEVATOR. SO I'M ASKING THIS IF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED IS 30 FT, AND WITH THE FLAT ROOF BUILDINGS YOU'RE AT 26.5 FT. YES, IF YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOU CAN'T SOMETHING OTHER THAN A FLAT ROOF AND STAY UNDER 30. FT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? SHE SHE WANTS TO. SHE'S ASKING YOU. WHY CAN'T YOU APPLY WITH WELL THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS SO THIS ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT SAYS WELL, WHAT IS THE ORDINARY COMP? WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT? SAY, JAMES? UM YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO AVOID FLAT ROOFS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT. SO I THINK THIS QUESTION MAY BE BETTER SERVED FOR THE ARCTIC BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE ELEVATIONS YET, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARAPET, ELEVATIONS AND TOWER FEATURES ON IT. THIS THIS QUESTION IS BEING KICKED OVER TO THE ARCHITECT.
YOU FIGURED THAT OUT? YEAH, OK. KEEP ON GOING. DISTURBANCE OF STEEP SLOPES. UM THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE ABOUT THE DISTURBANCE OF STEEP SLOPES. OVERALL THE STEEP SLOPE ORDINANCES TO PROTECT NATURAL SLOPES. THESE ARE NOT NATURAL SLOPES. THIS IS A 2 TO 1 AND 3 TO 1 GRASS AREA THAT IS MAINTAINED AND WAS CREATED MANY DECADES AGO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY, THE FORMER OFFICE BUILDING AND THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S TO THE NORTH. SO THE II. I LIKE THE ORDINANCE AT STEVE SLOPES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO PROTECT FOR EROSION, CONTROL MANAGERS AND OTHER VERY IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES , BUT THE STEEP SLOPE THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY DISTURBING OUR ASSOCIATED WITH MAINTAINED LAWN AREAS THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY NATURAL ROCK OUTCROPPINGS OR VEGETATION ON IT. IT IS MAINTAINED LAWN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE NORTHERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE. SO IT IS MY TESTIMONY AT JANUARY, AND I WILL
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FURTHER SUPPLEMENT IT TODAY THAT WITH THE REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON SITE THAT WE ARE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING FLOWS OFF THIS PROPERTY AND THEN WITH THE CURBING AND ON-SITE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, WE WILL BE BENEFITING THE AND REDUCING OFF SITE EROSION CONTROL DOWN THE DISTURBANCE OF STEEP SLOPES. BUT YOUR ANSWER IS REASONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE FOR WHY THE BOARD SHOULD GRANT THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW THAT HER QUESTION IS WHY DO YOU NEED TO ASK FOR IT? CAN'T YOU REDESIGN SOMETHING OR MAKE SOMETHING SMALLER? SO YOU'RE NOT DISTURBING THAT YOU'RE GIVING REASONS FOR THE BOARD TO GRANT THE RELIEF? SHE'S ASKING YOU. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ELIMINATE THE REQUEST FOR THE RELIEF? IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? HAVE AN ANALYZE IF IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, THOUGH, OUR EXISTING SLOPES ACROSS THE PROPERTY, THE TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY. ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE STEEP SLOPES THAT YOU'RE DISTURBING ARE MAN MADE STEEP SLOPES AND NONE OF THEM ARE NATURAL, STEEP SLOPES. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. THEY'RE ALL MAN MADE. THERE ARE STEEP SLOPES ON THE PROPERTY THAT ARE NOT MAN MADE. WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THEM. STEEP SLOPES THAT OUR MAN MADE. WE ARE REDEVELOPING IT. YES. OK AGAIN. THAT'S A REASON TO GIVE FOR THE RELIEF, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO, IN OTHER WORDS, TO NOT DISTURB THAT IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION? I PUTTING UP YOUR ORDINANCE. AND I'LL ADVISE WHY WE DISTURBED IN THE AREA. YEAH. TRY TO ANSWER WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE TO NOT DISTURB IT. AND WHY. YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE TO NOT DISTURB IT. THAT'S WHAT SHE IS ASKING.BECAUSE IT'S A REDEVELOPMENT PRO. I FINE. I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE ON THE EASTERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO ROCKY HILL. THERE IS A DRIVE AISLE THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY. AND THERE ARE STEEP SLOPES THERE TO REMOVE THAT DRY BILE AND REPLACE IT WITH GRASS AND LANDSCAPING. THAT IS A DISTURBANCE OF A STEEP SLOPE. SO YES. COULD I LEAVE THAT THERE? ABSOLUTELY BUT THEN THE DRIVEWAY AND SOME OF THE OTHER FEATURES REMAIN I. I BELIEVE THAT IT IS PART OF THE OVERALL CIVIL PACKAGE AND THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT THE DISTURBANCE OF STEEP SLOPE IS NOT A NEGATIVE HERE. IT IS A POSITIVE, BUT IF YOU WERE TO LEAVE A LOT OF THEM ALONE AND IT WILL REMAIN EXACTLY AS IT IS TODAY. WE A RE TRYING TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY, AND IN DOING SO WE ARE REDUCING ON SITE PAVEMENT. ADDING MORE LANDSCAPING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PLANTS ON SITE AND WITH THAT COMES SOME STEEP SLOPES. THE SECOND OTHER EXAMPLE IS WE ARE ADDING TREES AND PLANTS TO THE NORTHERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE THAT HAS 2 TO 1 AND 3 TO 1 SLOPES. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST GRASS. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT IS A POSITIVE STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE IN ADDING TREES AND PLANTING, WHEREAS LEAVING IT AS IS AN UNMAINTAINED LAWN IS A NEGATIVE. OK, SO YOUR ANSWER IS ON THAT. I GUESS THE TO THE NORTH SIDE NORTH TO THE SHOPPING CENTER IF YOU THAT IF YOU DIDN'T DISTURB THE STEEP SLOPES YOU WOULDN'T BE PUTTING. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT THE LANDSCAPING IN AND IT WOULD JUST STAY AS GRASS. SO THAT'S THE ANSWER TO HER QUESTION ON WHY, AT LEAST IN THAT AREA. THAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW WHY. GO GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THE MINIMUM LOT COVERAGE. MAXIMUM MACK COVERAGE, IN MY OPINION IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO AN EXISTING NON CONFORMING CONDITION OR SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCING IT FROM 65% DOWN TO HER QUESTION IS AGAIN. IT. WHY CAN'T YOU GET IT DOWN TO 55? YOU ALREADY BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 65. SO WHY CAN'T YOU GO TO 55? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA LOSE ON THE SITE BY GOING TO 55 INSTEAD OF 65? THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW. CRITICAL ACCESS DRIVES. IN ORDER FOR THE SITE TO PROPERLY FUNCTION. IT NEEDS CERTAIN WIDTHS AND ACCESS. WHAT IF YOU MADE THE BUILDINGS? I I DON'T MEAN TO ASK THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THIS MORE EFFICIENT. SHE'S GONNA ASK. WHY CAN'T YOU MAKE THE BUILDING SMALLER TO GET THE AND JUST TO REVEAL THAT I'M A LICENSED ARCHITECT AND LICENSED PLANNER, SO MY IMAGINATION IS OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THEIRS. AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF IMPROVING THIS PROPERTY AND PROJECT AND I REALLY DON'T AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WOW.
RATHER THAN THE AN ELIMINATING THE WHAT? SHE WANTS TO WHAT HER QUESTION IS. WHAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW IS WHY CAN'T YOU GET THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE SITE. DOWN TO 55. THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW. NOT WHY THE BOARD SHOULD GRANT THE VARIANCE TO GO TO THE 58% EVERYONE REALIZES THAT YOU'RE NOW AT 65.3. AND WITH YOUR CHANGE, YOU'RE REDUCING THAT, BUT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT. WHY CAN'T YOU TAKE IT FROM 58.3 DOWN TO 55? THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW.
THAT'S MY ANSWER TO THAT. IT WOULD REMOVE A CRITICAL FUNCTION OF THE FACILITY. AND IN THE LAST
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BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST THE D FOUR VARIANTS. B FOUR FA R VARIANTS FOR HER QUESTION IS WHY DO YOU HAVE TO YOU'VE REDUCED IT DOWN TO 83, WHICH IS QUADRUPLE. THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED WHICH IS 20.WHY CAN'T YOU? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE 80? WHY CAN'T IT IF SHE'S ASKING, WHY CAN'T YOU GET IT TO 20? I'M GONNA SAY WHY CAN'T YOU GET IT? SUBSTANTIALLY CLOSER TO 20. AND I. I JUST NOTE THAT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND UH, THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND THE SPACES THAT GO TO THE FA R VTS ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN UH, I BELIEVE IN THE EXPERTISE OF THE ARCHITECT. UM BUT BUT AS THE ENGINEER WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO? TO GET FLOOR AREA RATIO. DOWN TO 20% HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING WOULD YOU HAVE TO LOP OFF? THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. THAT IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, OK, BUT PART AND I'M GONNA SOUND LIKE A PLANNER. NOW I AM. YOU'VE HEARD TESTIMONY IN JANUARY. SIGNIFICANT TESTIMONY. YOU'RE LISTENING TO ME RIGHT NOW. YOU DO HAVE A FEW OTHER WITNESSES COMING IN.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT IT IS OUR OF COURSE. POSITION AND BELIEF THAT A LARGER BUILDING FOR THIS SITE WILL CREATE LESS ACTIVITY THAN MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER PERMITTED USES OF THE ZONE. YOU WILL HEAR FROM OUR PLANNER THIS EVENING THAT GOES THROUGH THE OTHER PERMITTED USES IN THE HC ZONE THAT MAY HAVE A SMALLER BUILDING FOOTPRINT BUT MAY HAVE MORE ACTIVITY THAT IS SELF STORAGE UNIT DOES NOT HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION NUMBER OF TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT GO TO THAT FACILITY, A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES HERE IT HAS BEEN THE APPLICANTS POSITION THAT YES, WE ARE SEEKING A FOUR AREA RATIO VARIANCE. IT IS A BIGGER BUILDING THAT WHAT YOUR ZONE CONTEMPLATED, HOWEVER. THE USE IS SPECIAL. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE PLANNER THAT THE D FOUR WILL BE SUBSUMED INTO D ONE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT WHAT WILL BE THERE WILL BE LESS IMPACTFUL. I THINK THIS BOARD IS AWARE OF THE JUST JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE. I AM NOT A BELIEVER IN THIS. SUBSUMED. THAT'S FINE. I'LL LET THE ATTORNEY AND THE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONLY POSSIBLE SUBSTANCE. THINGS BEING SUBSUMED WILL BE SEA VARIANCES, AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS SUBSUMED. BUT I DON'T THINK AD FOUR VARIANCE. CAN BE SUBSUMED IN AD. ONE VARIANCE. THAT'S NO PROBLEM WE HEAR FROM THE PLANNER IN THE LET THE PLANNER AND THE ATTORNEY TALK ABOUT, BUT MY POSITION WAS SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE LARGER BUILDING IS TO KEEP THE ACTIVITY INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHEREAS OTHER COMMERCIAL USES IN THE HC ZONE WOULD HAVE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT BUT MORE PAVEMENT AREA YOU HEARD IN JANUARY FROM ME THAT WE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE , NOT JUST THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, BUT THE MOTOR VEHICLE SURFACE AREA AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE EXISTING CONDITIONS TO THIS CYCLONE RENDERING IT IS MORE BUILDING THAN IT IS PAVEMENT AND WE BELIEVE THAT IS A BENEFIT.
THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO URGE THE BOARD TO GRANT IT. DID. HE DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WHEN I ASKED HIM, WHAT WOULD HE HAVE TO DO TO GET IT DOWN TO 20% HE SAID HE'D HAVE TO ELIMINATE A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE BUILDINGS AND IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
THAT WAS HIS ANSWER. CORRECT THAT WAS YOUR ANSWER. YES VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION INDEED. AND I JUST HAVE TO ASK ONE MORE THING, BECAUSE, UM, I'M A STEEP SLOPE SUBJECT BECAUSE WHEN I QUICKLY READ THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, THE EAST SIDE TOWARD ROCKY HILL LOOKS LIKE A MAN MADE STEEP SLOPE THAT WAS ENGINEERED. IS THAT TRUE? THE SLOPE. FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. GOING TO THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE A, UH , TOTAL REGRADING THAT WAS CREATED THAT IS A STEEP SLOPE AND SHOWED UP ON ONE OF THE DIAGRAMS AS SUCH. BUT YOU MADE THAT THAT ISN'T EXISTENT.
CORRECT AM I CORRECT? THE VARIANCE IS FOR DISTURBANCE OF EXISTING SEE SOAPS, NOT THE CREATION OF 3 TO 1. I'M QUESTIONING THE CREATION OF STEVES, WHICH ALSO MIGHT CONTINUE WHAT SHE'S ASKING IS WHO CREATED THE STEEP SLOPE. WHO CREATED THE STEEP SLOPE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND WHY, THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW. CERTAINLY. DYNAMIC ENGINEERING PREPARED THE GRADING PLAN. THE ROCKY HILL RESIDENT THAT IS LOCATED TO THE EAST OF OUR PROPERTY IS HIGHER IN GRADE. WE ARE PROPOSING A BUILDING THAT IS LOWER THAN GRADE SO, YES, THERE IS GRADING BETWEEN THERE, AND WE THEN HAVE PUT YARD INLETS TO CAPTURE THAT. THE QUESTION WAS WHO YOU SAID THERE WAS A MANMADE GREAT. THE GREAT DEGRADING PLAN SHOWS STEEP SLOPES THAT DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CREATED. ON THE EASTERN SIDE. JONATHAN I THINK SHE'S WI WITH.
YEAH, THE WITNESS OR THE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS SAYING, I'M SORRY, MA'AM. I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME, BUT SUSAN IS SAYING IS THE PROPOSED GRADING, NOT THE EXISTING SLEEP SLOPES.
RIGHT AND YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE PROPOSING? OH, I'M SORRY. YOU WERE RIGHT. TO FIND OUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I READ THE DRAWINGS CORRECTLY. HE CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS THEY'RE MANMADE. AND THAT
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PRESENTS ANOTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS HOW DO YOU FULLY PLANT A BUFFER BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL USE? AND UH UH, ANOTHER USE OF COMMERCIAL USE. AND ACTUALLY PLANT SUCCESSFULLY A BUFFER WITH A ON LITERALLY ON THE STEEP SLOPE, WHICH TAKES UP THE WHOLE VEGETARIAN BUFFER REQUIREMENT FOOTPRINT. AND JUST JUST TO NOTE SO YOU YOUR QUESTION IS WITH THE VARIANCES FOR DISTURBING EXISTING STEEP SLOPES. YOUR QUESTION IS UNRELATED TO THE VARIANCE CORRECT. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT'S STILL A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND. I'M HAPPY TO NO ONE'S LISTENING. NO ONE'S OBJECTING TO THE QUESTION. I SCREWED UP. I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. HE UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. COULD YOU ANSWER HER QUESTION? BECAUSE I DIDN'T. I CERTAINLY CAN. THE ORDINANCE CALCULATES STEEP SLOPES AT 15% HOWEVER, IT IS VERY COMMON IN GRADING DESIGN PLANS, AND YOU CAN ASK YOUR BOARD ENGINEER AS WELL TO GO AS HIGH AS 3 TO 1% WHICH IS 33% SLOPES BECAUSE IT IS MAINTAINED LAW AND THAT IS WHAT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR LANDSCAPING. AND YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN PLANT TREES AND SHRUBS ON 33% SO YOUR ORDINANCE CALCULATES IT AT 15. BUT IT IS GOOD ENGINEERING PRACTICE TO HAVE SOMETIMES UPWARDS OF 33% IN GRASS AREA. SO, YES, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY PLANT BUFFERS AND DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CREATED THE LARGER THAN 15% BECAUSE IT WAS OUR OPINION THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DROP THE GRADE. AND PUT THE BUILDING LOWER THAN OUR RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF FILLING THE SITE AND MAKING THE BUILDING TALLER THAT WOULD THEN START TO IMPEDE ON THE RESIDENT. WE DROPPED THAT IS THAT THAT PROPOSED UM TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE. AND PROPOSED. UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFER. VISUAL. BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTS NEXT DOOR OR I I'M HEARING GRASS AND I'M HEARING OTHER THINGS, BUT ISN'T THE INTENT. OF A BUFFER BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT USES, WHICH I BELIEVE HAS TO BE YOUR ORDINANCE 20 FT.I. I FORGET WHAT IT IS EXACTLY, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT IS A BUFFER THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COMPLETELY DENSELY VISUALLY. BRING THE PROJECT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ADJACENT I.
I DO BELIEVE THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE MONTGOMERY BUFFER ORDINANCE STANDARDS AND WE ARE NOT SEEKING ANY DESIGN EXCEPTIONS NOR VARIANCES FROM THIS BOARD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER THAT'S PROVIDED ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU SO I DO BELIEVE WE COMPLY. THERE IS A ROBUST PLANNING AND ENGINEERING LETTER. I'LL DEFER TO THEM IF THEY THINK OTHERWISE. BUT WE WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I THINK I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THERE'S NO VARIANCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT THAT COMPLIES WITH THE BUFFER IT I'M MAKING SURE THAT WHAT I SAW WAS, IN FACT WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS, AND IT IT'S ON THE TOPIC OF STEEP SLOPES. AND FINALLY, THE EXISTING STEEP SLOPE IN THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WERE IN TOWN LAST SATURDAY, WHEN, WHEN NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. YOU'RE NOT ASKING THE BOARD QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING YOUR ARGUMENTS . YOU GOT TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE LAST SATURDAY DURING THE THREE INCHES OF RAINFALL, BUT YOUR CLIENT HAS LOST. MATERIAL OFF OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS NOW STREWN THROUGHOUT THE ADJACENT SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT, AND IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHEN YOU DISCUSS THAT NORTHERN SIDE WHETHER YOUR PROJECT OFFERS ANYTHING TO PREVENT. UM, THE RUNOFF AND THE POLLUTION AND THE SEDIMENT. FROM ONE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER, AND I JUST THOUGHT SINCE WE WERE DISCUSSING SLOPES THAT AND BECAUSE MANY OF US WITNESSED THE DAMAGE AND THE HORRIFIC CONDITIONS THERE SUPPOSED TO BE QUESTIONS. IS IT NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT YOU'RE DOING YOU YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA WAIT TILL THE PUBLIC PORTION WHEN I CAN SWEAR YOU IN TO SAY THIS STUFF. WHAT'S THE QUESTION? YOU'RE ASKING HIM? THE QUESTION WAS. WERE YOU THERE SATURDAY? DID YOU SEE THAT STUFF? I WAS NOT THERE ON SATURDAY, AND THE QUESTION WAS DID DOES THE PLAN THE NEW PLAN? IMPOSE ANYTHING TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
ABSOLUTELY IT IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT IN THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. THERE IS CONCRETE CURBING. NOW WE'RE OUT THERE TODAY IS AN EXISTING EDGE OF PAVEMENT. SO WHEN RAIN HITS THE EXISTING EDGE OF PAYMENT, IT RUNS OVER LAND AND DOWN THE STEEP SLOPE. OUR PLAN WILL HAVE ROOF LEADERS AND AN UNDERGROUND CONVEYANCE SYSTEM THAT COLLECTS ALL OF THE WATER FROM THE BUILDINGS, AND ALL OF THE PAVEMENT AREA WILL GO FURTHER UNDERGROUND INTO THE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM. FINALLY WE WILL BE ADDING SIGNIFICANT PLANTING ON THAT STEEP SLOPE SO THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT TO ANY TYPE OF POTENTIAL EROSION DOWN THAT STEEP SLOPE. SO I IT WAS A
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GREAT QUESTION. I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A IMPROVEMENT FROM THAT CONDITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SAMSON. UH, I LIVE IN ROCKY HILL. YOUR LAST NAME SANSON. AND MY QUESTION IS VERY QUICK. I'M JUST POINTING OUT FOR CLARIFICATION. THE MOST RECENT, UH, DOCUMENTS ON YOUR WEBSITE, THE LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY SAYS. THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS BEING REDUCED TO LETTER FROM NOT ME. OH, THAT ATTORNEY YES, THE YOU'RE NOT CORRECT. THE BUILDING WILL BE 26.5. WHAT'S IN THE LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY IS INCORRECT. THE LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY CAME AT A TIME WHEN WE ARE FILING 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING. WE NOW HAVE DONE RENDERINGS, AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECT SHORTLY THAT IT WILL BE 26.5 FT.MY NAME IS BAILEY AINI OCCH IP INT. I LIVE AT 118 WASHINGTON STREET. I'M ALSO A BURIED R, ROCKY HILL RESIDENCE. UH, MY FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. I WANTED TO FIND OUT OR HAVE YOU RECONFIRMED THE NUMBER OF NEW TREES BEING PLANTED. 54 SHADE TREES. TWO ORNAMENTAL TREES. AND 56 EVERGREEN TREES. WHAT'S THE LIKE? EXPECTED DIAMETER OF EACH OF THOSE TREES? UH, THEY CERTAINLY RANGE BUT IT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 2.5 TO 3 INCHES IN CALIBER AT INSTALLATION. OK AND THERE ARE TWO OAK TREES BEING REMOVED. ONE LIVE OAK TREE AND ONE DEAD OAK TREE. YES, AND THE OAK TREE THAT'S BEING REMOVED. THAT IS NOT A 30 INCH IN DIAMETER ON THE PLAN. IS THAT RIGHT? APPROXIMATELY YES. WE'RE THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE YES, OK.
AND WHY IS THAT BEING REMOVED? STILL IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVEWAY INTO THE FACILITY. TO ACCOMMODATE THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY. IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE DRIVEWAY? A FEW THINGS I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO BE WIDE TO ACCOMMODATE OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR BOX TRUCKS, BUT ALSO, UH, IN LAYING OUT THE SITE, AS THE BOARD KNOWS, THERE'S TWO CURB CUTS TODAY, ONE BEING ON THE NEIGHBORS VERY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE TO THE EAST, SO WE WANTED TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE WEST. CLOSER TOWARDS, UH, THE SIGNAL AND AWAY FROM THE ACTIVITY OF THE RESIDENT. SO I, I WOULD SAY IT'S A FEW REASONS THAT IT WAS PLACED THERE. OK? MY SECOND QUESTION IS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURES BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SECONDARY.
BUILDING THE GREEN. WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING? 26.5 FT, BUT WE'RE REALLY STILL IN A LOT OF THUNDER FOR MY THE HEIGHT OF BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS. IS 26.5. FT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT'S GONNA SHOW A ELEVATION TO SHOW THAT THANK YOU. SO BOTH BOTH BUILDINGS ARE THE SAME HEIGHT OR INTENTION TO BE OK. UM THAN THE HYPER WOULD BE STRICKEN. IF IT'S UNDER 30. FT I JUST HAD A QUESTION, UM, FOR THE REGARDING THE FA R, SO IT'S LISTED ON YOUR PLAN THAT EXISTING FA R IS 0.4. WHERE DID HOW DO YOU ARRIVE AT THAT? POPULATION. UH, UTILIZING A SURVEY BEFORE IT WAS, UH, KNOCKED DOWN ON THE BILL ON THE PROPERTY. SO THERE IS NO BUILDING SO THEREFORE NO FA ARE REALLY EXISTING FOR DEMOLISHED.
MM. CORRECT RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO FA. WE DO HAVE A VALID SURVEY SHOWING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE 19 SEVENTIES WAS 0.4. YES. AND THEN THIS IS PASS THE BOARD.
ENGINEER. YES. UM WHERE IN THE ZONING CODE DOES IT PERMIT TO PRIMARY PRINCIP? QUESTION FOR HELLO. UM IT'S THE HC ZONE DOES HAVE DOES PERMIT TO PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS ON A LOT. IT HAS SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THEM. I OUTLINED, UH, ALL OF THOSE IN MY REVIEW. UM I COULD GO THROUGH THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, BUT IT IS IN I CAN GIVE YOU THE GENERAL CHAPTER. I SECTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE, SO PLEASE HOLD ON ONE MOMENT. THE VALLEY TO JAMES. SO IT'S UM IT'S THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE, SO IT'S CHAPTER 16-4 0.12. AND I'LL GET TO THE SPECIFIC AREA WHICH DISCUSSES, UM FOR MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON ONE LOT AND THE HC ZONE, SO THAT WOULD BE 16-4 0.12
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DOT E. ABOUT NINE AND THEN BIN PARENTHESES. MAYBE A QUESTION FOR YEAH, A ENGINEER. THESE ARE CURRENTLY TWO SEPARATE LOTS. YES. THEY'RE BEING CONSOLIDATED. THANK YOU SO MUCH.WITH A NICE AND LOUD AND YOUR NAME FIRST. I REMEMBER YOUR LAST NAME PALE, CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW WHY I REMEMBER IT. BUT WHAT'S YOUR FIRST NAME? SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO I AM. WHAT'S YOUR FIRST NAME? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S YOUR FIRST NAME, PLEASE? WHAT WHAT'S YOUR FIRST NAME, PLEASE? ELIZABETH PALE. YOU A TOWNSHIP RESIDENT OR ROCKY HILL. I FORGET IT. THE ACOUSTICS HERE ARE TERRIBLE. CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? PLEASE PPALIU LIKE UNITED STATES AND DO YOU RESIDE IN THE TOWNSHIP OR IN ROCKY HILL? WHERE DO YOU LIVE? WHILE IN MONTGOMERY. OK, THANK YOU. OK? MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. THIS. PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WAS A CHEMICAL LAB. AND CHEMICALS, HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS. WAS FOUND IN THE SOIL. IT WAS A SUPER FUN SITE. LIZ DO YOU HAVE A DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIS WITNESS ? OK THE QUESTION IS JUST SO YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY PRESENT THIS GUY. THIS WITNESS TOLD EVERYONE ABOUT THIS IN JANUARY, SO THEY KNOW IT'S A SUPERFUND SITE. THEY KNOW THAT IT'S CONTAMINATED, SO ASK HIM YOUR QUESTIONS. MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE KNOW? OR HOW? HOW HAVE THEY SHOWN? THAT THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. FOR THE SUPER FUN FIGHT. IS AN AFFECTING PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE PARTICULAR SIDE OF DEVELOPMENT. IT. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU.
MONTGOMERY'S UH, BOARD HAS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER HERE WHO HAS TO REVIEW MY CIVIL DRAWINGS AND MY DRAINAGE REPORT. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES, THE LOCAL SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THE DELAWARE RARITAN CANAL COMMISSION, WHICH IS AD EP LEVEL TYPE OF COMMISSION. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE HAVE THE EPA THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THEY REQUIRED US TO SUBMIT CIVIL DRAWINGS TO THEM FIRST, SO THE EPA HAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED THIS LAYOUT AND THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IN ADDITION TO THAT THE SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND THE DELAWARE RARITAN CANAL COMMISSION HAS APPROVED THE GRADING AND DRAINAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY. FURTHER WITH THE REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE INCREASE IN OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING. IT IS A NET BENEFIT FOR STORM WATER. AND FINALLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S A SUPER FUN SITE. FROM A STORMWATER STANDPOINT, PURELY CAPPING IT WITH BUILDINGS AND PAVEMENT IS A BENEFIT TO ENSURE THAT NO FURTHER GROUNDWATER LEACHES BACK IN AND THEN POTENTIALLY EXACERBATES THE SITUATION. ALL STORMWATER WILL BE COLLECTED ON SITE AND THEN DISCHARGED THROUGH A PIPE AND MAKE ITS WAY DOWN TO THE REGULAR DRAINAGE SYSTEM. SOME WATER MANAGEMENT IS HEAVILY REGULATED IN NEW JERSEY, AND WE ALSO HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF AGENCIES REVIEWING IT. WHAT IS THE SITE OF WHICH WHAT IS GOING TO BE IT WILL BE, UM THERE'S TWO POINTS OF ANALYSIS. ONE PIPE WILL BE LOCATED WITHIN THE COUNTY ROAD IN FRONT OF US, AND THE SECOND IS A PIPE GOING INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTH. AND JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER THAT'S BEING DISCHARGED. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF, NOT THE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUPERFUND SITE OR CONTAMINATION. THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. MANAGEMENT. ADDRESS. AS IT'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY THOROUGHLY ADDRESSED. YES, MA'AM. I. I AM IN THE AGENCY'S TWO OF THEM. S CD EPA, THREE OF THEM. I'M SORRY , AND THE DC C HAVE APPROVED IT. SO I DO BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY ADDRESSED. WE HAVE THAT INSURANCE FROM MONTGOMERY. SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING THE PLANNING BOARD ANY QUESTIONS? YOU'RE ASKING THAT WITNESS QUESTION. THAT'S RIGHT, OK. CERTAINLY. THE UH, ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS. I'M SEEING THAT
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RIGHT? UH, YES. OK OUR NEXT WAS THE WITNESS IS OUR ARCHITECT. UM LOUIS VAN DER LOCK.GOOD EVENING. STATE YOUR NA ME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, LEWIS VAND . CAN YOU SPELL THAT PLEASE? V AS IN VICTOR, A NDEL. AND I SWORE YOU IN IN JANUARY AND YOU REMAIN UNDER OATH? YES. JUST WANNA QUICKLY CHECK. I DON'T THINK YOU TESTIFIED IN JANUARY. I THINK WE GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE ENDED BEFORE QUESTIONS STARTED. YEAH, THAT'S UM. WELL, ONE DAY I WILL NOT MASSACRE LAST NAME. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. UNLESS I AM WRONG. THE ONLY WITNESS THAT TESTIFIED LAST TIME WAS YOUR ENGINEER. SO LET'S GET HIM QUALIFIED. OK? UM AND, UH MR JOHN, IF YOU WANT TO DO THE RECORD KEEPING, UH FOR EXHIBITS. IN ADVANCE OF THAT. WE DID SUBMIT A, UH UPDATED UH, ARCHITECTURAL SKETCH. UH, THIS TODAY. IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, BEFORE OR AFTER THE WITNESS IS QUALIFIED, BUT HOLD ON FOR A SECOND. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL SET THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY, NOT 10 DAYS BEFORE THE GAME, JUST THE RENDERINGS WITHIN THE PACKAGE ITSELF. SO, UH, THE ELEVATIONS WERE AMENDED SHERRY W. WHEN WERE THE UPDATED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS SUBMITTED? IF SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE, UM, DISPLAY. THEY CAME IN THIS THIS AFTERNOON TO EXHIBIT RIGHT THEY DO. THE FLOOR PLAN ITSELF IS THE SAME. UH, SOME OF THE COLORS IN THE ELEVATIONS CHANGED TO MAX THE RENDERINGS. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE DATE ON THIS PLAN? THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. THAT'S 312 TO 24. SO LET'S JUST PLAY IT SAFE. LET'S MARK THIS SET OF ARCHITECTURAL PLANS. HOW MANY SHEETS ARE HERE? THERE'S SIX IN THIS SET. AND WHERE IS THE PAPER? COPY IN THE FOLDER BACK THERE. OK, SO THIS THAT'S GONNA BE A SIX. GO GET THE PAPER SET, PLEASE, AND GIVE THEM TO SHERRY. NOW. HAVE ANY OF OUR BOARD EXPERTS SEEN ANY OF THESE ARCHITECTURAL SHEETS? THEY CA ME, IN TODAY I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM. SO YOU REALIZE WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT THEY HAVEN'T REVIEWED IT YET. II. I BELIEVE THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE COLOR ON THE ELEVATIONS TO MATCH THE RINGS, BUT BUT I'LL LET THE WITNESS I'LL LET LET THE WITNESS GO THROUGH THE JUST GIVE YOU HAVE SIX SEPARATE SHEETS OR DO YOU HAVE ONE BOARD THAT HAS THE SIX SHEETS? AND THEN WE HAVE TO THE MATCHING RENDERINGS THAT GO WITH IT. THAT'S ANOTHER 12 SETS 12 SHEETS, I BELIEVE IS AND THE RENDERINGS WERE SUBMITTED TODAY.
ALSO YES. AND THIS IS ELECTRONIC SUBMISSIONS TODAY. YES, YES. YEAH, BUT THE PLANS THAT CAME IN ON MARCH. 14TH ARE THESE DIFFERENT FROM THOSE? SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DOT THE I'S AND CROSS THE T, THE ARCHITECTURAL LAST REVISE MARCH 14 ARE GOING TO BE A SIX AND THEY WERE. THEY WERE LAST REVISED MARCH 12TH, BUT WE RECEIVED THEM IN THE OFFICE ON MARCH 14TH OK, ALL THE SHEETS ARE MARKED. MARCH 12TH SHEETS A MARKED SO ARCHITECTURAL 3 1224, CONSISTING OF SIX SHEETS. GONNA BE A SIX. JUST GIVE THAT WHOLE BOARD. SHE'LL GIVE YOU THE BOARD BACK LATER.
JUST GIVE HER THE WHOLE BOARD. AREA. HE COULD DO THIS TO YOU. BUT WHEN YOU GET BACK TO THE OFFICE TOMORROW STAPLE THOSE TOGETHER, TOO, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RUN. YOU KNOW A NUMBERS. ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND I. I HAVE ALSO WE HAVE 11 BY 17 SETS THAT WE COULD GIVE YOU FOR THE END OF THE EVENING. NOW THIS NEXT SET OF RENDERINGS. YOU SAID HOW MANY PAGES 11 SHEETS. LET'S COUNT EVERYTHING. HOW MANY? 13 SHEETS. IS THERE A DATE ON THOSE? 28 TO 24. 328 24 AND THESE ARE
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ARCHITECTURAL. RENDERINGS. DATED MARCH, 28. 2024 CONSISTING OF 13 SHEETS. THAT'S GOING TO BE A SEVEN. NOW YOU HAVE 11 BY 17 OF BOTH THE ARCHITECTURAL 60 TO PLANS AND THESE ARCHITECTURAL RINGS THAT YOU CAN HAND OUT. I DO. I DON'T HAVE THEM ON A BREAK . I CAN GO GRAB THEM. AND UH, ONCE THE WITNESS HAVE THE FULL SIZE OF DIDN'T BRING THEM IN WITH ME, BUT I'LL GRAB HIM FOR EVERYBODY. OK? WAS A CAUTION. JUST IN CASE ALL THE ELECTRONICS WENT DOWN. OK? SIR CAN YOU? UM I? I DON'T WANT TO ASK YOU IF YOU'RE READY. WE'RE READY. OK, JUST WHEN YOU GO TO SHOW YOUR YOU CAN SHOW YOUR EXHIBITS UP HERE. THIS IS DEMONSTRATIVE. NOW THE ELECTRONIC COPIES. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD THESE? YEAH. THESE, UM ARE WERE MID AT 10 DAYS IN ADVANCE. THIS IS THE COLOR ON THE ELEVATION, WHICH I CAN'T BELIEVE IN THE LAST FOUR SHEETS, BUT, UH SIR, CAN YOU, UM, GIVE US UH, THE BENEFIT OF YOUR, UH, EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE GRADUATED IN 1996 WITH THE BACHELOR OF ARCHITECTURE DEGREE FROM DRY UNIVERSITY IN SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI, UH, LICENSED IN NEW JERSEY. I THINK SINCE 2014 I BELIEVE, UM CURRENTLY ACTIVE IN LICENSED, UH , IN 46 STATES AROUND THE COUNTRY. WE TESTIFIED TO THE IN FRONT OF MULTIPLE BOARDS SUCH AS YOURSELF HERE IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY ON SPLY SELF STORAGE PROJECTS. AND YOUR LICENSE IS IN GOOD STANDING, SIR. CORRECT. ANYONE IN QUESTIONS ON HIS QUALIFICATIONS. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS ON HIS QUALIFICATIONS? ALL RIGHT. GREAT. WE'LL ACCEPT IT.YEAH. UM SIR, CAN YOU? UM BOB IN INITIALLY TELL US HOW YOU'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, PROJECT AND THEN, UH, DISCUSS THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS? CERTAINLY UH, ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.
UH, WE DID THE INITIAL LAYOUTS AND DESIGNS BACK IN JANUARY PRESENTED, UH, OBVIOUSLY CAME BEFORE YOU GUYS. UM I'D LIKE I SAID, I BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH IT BEFORE, AT LEAST BUT WE NEVER FINISHED. THE TESTIMONY HEARD THE COMMENTS WENT BACK WITH THE REDESIGN OF THE SITE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE BUILDING. UH, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON G DO IS WALK BRIEFLY THROUGH THE PLANS. I'LL TOUCH ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THEN WE'LL FLIP TO THE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAD.
I'LL MAKE NOTE OF THE CHANGES OF THE COLOR THAT CAME AS PART OF THE ONE WE REVIEWED THE INITIAL, UH PLANTER'S COMMENT. CITY PLANNER COMMENT THAT CAME THROUGH ABOUT ONE COLOR IN PARTICULAR. UM SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON SCREEN NOW IS THE SMALLER THE TWO BUILDINGS. IT'S THE WESTERN BUILDING. THIS WAS THE BUILDING THAT WAS USUALLY ONE STORY THERE'S NOW TWO STORIES. WE MOVED UNITS FROM THE BIG BUILDING INTO THE INTO THE SMALLER BUILDING WHEN WE CUT THE SIDE DOWN FOOTPRINT IS SLIGHTLY LARGER. UM I HAVE TO GO BACK AND TELL YOU HOW WHAT THE SIZE DID CHANGE TO, BUT WE TRIED TO KEEP THE FOOTPRINTS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE. THIS IS ALSO A AND THERE'S A HANDFUL OF BACK IN BACK UP TO UNITS NEXT TO YOUR FACING AS WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AND THEN THE INTERIOR BUILDINGS THAT YOU REACH THROUGH AN ACCESS DOOR AND THEN UP IN THE ELEVATORS. UM THEY'RE LOCATED HERE IN THE CENTER. THERE ARE STAIRS ON EACH END, AS REQUIRED BY BUILDING CODE AND THEN MINIMAL ACCESS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO OFFICE IN THIS PORTION OF THE OF THE PROJECT. UM THE NEXT PAGE IS A SCREENSHOT OF THE BIG BUILDING. UM THE OFFICE REMAINED IN THE SAME SPOT AS WE PROPOSED BEFORE AND KIND OF LOWER LEFT CORNER STAIRS READJUSTED AS NEED TO BASED ON CODE WHEN WE GOT RID OF THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES THAT CAME THROUGH THOSE UNITS WERE THOSE AREAS WERE REPLACED WITH ADDITIONAL UNITS. UM THE ELEVATORS MOVE MORE TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LOADING ZONE THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT BACK HERE IN THE BACK. UH, THIRD FLOOR, OUR SECOND FLOOR. I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS THE SAME KIND OF RACE TRACK DESIGNS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. YOU CAN SEE THE EYE WE FILL IN WHERE THE OFFICES ARE THERE. STAIRS STAYED THE SAME. THIS IS ALL UNITS ON THIS FLOOR. UM LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE HERE. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE TOP IS THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE BIGGER BUILDING. UM, AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION. THE MIDDLE ONE IS THE FULL ELEVATION OF THE BIG BUILDING. AND THEN THE BOTTOM ELEVATION SHOWS A PORTION OF THE BIG BUILDING AND THEN ALL THE SMALL BUILDING TO KIND OF SHOW THE SCALE THE DIFF. THIS IS THE ONE SPOT I'LL MAKE A NOTE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PLANTS A MI 10 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME IN THIS ONE. WHEN WE SAW THE PLANNERS REPORT, THERE WAS A THERE WAS A BLUE ME. ACCENT ON BOTH THE CANOPIES AND SOME OF THE TRIM WORK THAT I KNOW CAME ACROSS AS MAYBE A LITTLE HARSH, SO WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO
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REVISE THAT TO MORE OF A COPPER. LOOK THAT I THINK BLENDS IN THE BUILDING. I HOPE ACHIEVE WHAT THE WHAT THIS THIS CITY WAS LOOKING FOR AND DOWN THOSE LINES. UM WHAT WE TRY TO DO, OBVIOUSLY, BY TAKING OUT TAKING THE HEIGHT AND PROPORTIONS OF THE BUILDING DOWN, WE GIVE IT MORE OF A RETAIL SCALE. GIVE IT MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN SCALE. UM, YOU CAN SEE I'LL ZOOM IN HERE.THERE'S A DASH LINE THAT OCCURS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE OUTLINE OF THE PREVIOUS BUILDING SIZE SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH WE DID BRING IT DOWN AS PART OF THE AS PART OF THE REDESIGN. UM WE TRY TO KEEP PROPORTIONATE AND GIVE IT AGAIN KIND OF THAT RETAIL KIND OF HIGHWAY. I WOULD CALL IT HIGHWAY OR OR CITYSIDE FRONT IN GREAT THEY WOULD FIT IN MORE OF A STRIP AND KIND OF RETAIL SPOT.
UM LOOKING AT THEN THE EAST ELEVATION. THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION THAT FACES ROCKY HILL.
UM WE WENT THROUGH. OBVIOUSLY THE SCALE CAME DOWN. WE KEPT THE SAME OUTLINE SHOWING THE ORIGINAL HEIGHT. UM, EMPHASIZE THIS CORNER HERE AT THE SAME TREATMENT WE HAD ON THE OFFICE AND ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, BREAK UP OF THE MONOTONOUS WALL THAT'S HERE HERE AND RAN THE SAME STONE BAND ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING THE NORTH ELEVATION, SAME KIND OF THING AS THE SOUTH. THIS IS THE BIG BUILDING. THIS IS THE SMALL BUILDING, WHICH A PORTION UM, YOU'RE SEEING HERE THE LOADING ZONE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND PLAN AND THIS IS A SIDE THAT TURNS AND FACES THE, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SMALL BUILDING THE LAST TWO ELEVATIONS. UM THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION FACING INWARD TOWARDS THE DRIVE LANE.
THESE ARE THE D. EXCUSE ME. THESE ARE THE DOORS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. AS FOR THE ROLL UP DOORS FROM THE OUTSIDE ACCESS, AND THEN THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE SMALL BUILDING. I KNOW THERE'S A COMMENT ABOUT. I THINK ONE OF THE VARIANCES WE'RE LOOKING AT WAS THE, UH, THE MONOTONOUS FACADE AND IT'S REALLY THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR. UM I KNOW THERE'S A V REQUESTED ON IT, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE REPORT, THE NEXT SECTION BELOW THAT SAID, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ALONG THIS SIDE AND ACTUALLY MAKE COMMENT ABOUT IT. I BELIEVE IN THAT PORTION OF THE PLAN REPORT. AND TO, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR THE WEST. ELEVATION IS THE ELEVATION THAT THAT, UH FACES THE TREES AND BUFFERING BETWEEN THE SITE AND THE, UH, WWA SITE. IS THAT CORRECT? SO A PERSON WHO'S WALKING NEXT TO THE BUILDING. IT WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SEE THAT. WITH ELEVATION. FLIPPING THEN TO THE RENDERINGS. SO THIS IS A QUICK LAYOUT OF THE SITE, UH, KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THE PERSPECTIVE VIEWS ARE COMING FROM WITH THE CURRENT LAYOUT JUST TO ORIENT THE SHOPPING CENTERS HERE ON THE TOP SIDE. THIS IS THE WW AND THESE ARE THE RESIDENTS OVER AT ROCKY HILL. THE FIRST BACK TO THAT TO LET PEOPLE JUST LOOK AT THAT.
CERTAINLY. AND THE NUMBERS ON THAT THAT PLAN, SIR. UH WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS? THEY THEY REFERRED TO THE VIEW THE VIEWS THAT YOU'LL SEE. SO 11 REFERS TO THE VIEW ON THEY'RE LABELED ON THE PLANE. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE HERE WHERE THE WHERE THE T THE EXISTING TREES WERE REMAINING AT THE MET WITH THE PLANE WOULD BE. YOU WANT THIS IS LET ME SEE IF I CAN DO NOT JUST THE 10. THIS IS YOU ONE. SO IT WAS WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THESE VIEWS. CAN YOU GO BACK UP AND SAY OK, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU VIEW ONE SO EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT THE ARROW, THEN GO TO VIEW ONE THEN. DO THE SAME WITH 23 ALL THE WAY THROUGH. CERTAINLY. SO IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR ON WASHINGTON STREET LOOKING EAST, SO KIND OF IN FRONT OF THE CURB CUT RIGHT HERE, JUST DOWN FROM THE WW. SO THIS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE CLOSER THAN THAT VIEW ACTUALLY IS, BUT THIS IS LOOKING AT IT. THIS IS THE EDGE OF THE SMALL BUILDING. THIS IS THE LARGE BUILDING HERE. UM WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE, BETTER IN PERSPECTIVE THAN YOU COULD BE IN THE IN THE ELEVATIONS ARE KIND OF WHAT WE STARTED TO DO AT THE CORNER SINCE WE STARTED TO BRING OUT THE PANELS, UM, ON THE LOWER LEGS. WE BROUGHT THE CORNICE OUT IN EACH OF THE ENTRY POINTS AND YOU CAN START TO SEE HERE WE STARTED TO SPEAK MORE TO A RETAIL STYLE ARCHITECTURE, UH, WITH WITH A PRO PRO CAN BE PROJECTED. CAN IT BE AND SOME COLUMNS THAT COME THROUGH HERE? UM, AGAIN, IT KIND OF BRING IN THAT RETAIL LOOK. FLIPPING THE VIEW TWO. IT'S JUST DOWN THE STREET, LOOKING MORE INTO THE DOWN THE THROAT OF THE SITE ON THE STREET APPROACH. WHICH KIND OF GIVES YOU THAT LOOK LOOKING A T THE ENTRY OF THE BUILDING LOOKING AT THE OFFICE AGAIN. IT'S A LITTLE EASIER HERE TO SEE KIND OF THE DOORS AND THE GLAZING. THAT IS ADDED THROUGH HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE UNITS BEHIND. THAT KIND OF GIVES IT MORE OF THAT RETAIL STOREFRONT. KIND OF LOOK HERE WITH MORE OF AN END CAP. LOOK UM YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE FEST SITUATION THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BIG BUILDING TO KIND OF BREAK UP THAT WALL AND THEN, LIKEWISE, SMALL CAMP THAT'S HERE TO KIND OF MIMIC WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE FRONT SOUTH FACE OF THE BUILDING. U THREE IS KIND OF RIGHT HERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DRIVE, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE SMALL BUILDING. WOULD THIS BE LOOKING BACK AT THE WEST
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BUILDING? THE OFFICE IS HERE IN THE IN THE FOREGROUND, AND YOU'RE LOOKING BACK AT THE SAME STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE HERE ON THE ON THE CORNER OF THE SMALL BUILDING GROUND WITH GLASS, LOOKING AT THE KIND OF THE UNIT DOORS OR FALSE UNIT DOORS, DISPLAY WINDOWS AS WE CALL THEM AND THEN LOOKING AT THE DOORS FOR THE DRIVE UP TO ROLL UP UNITS. VIEW FOUR IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. UM THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO VIEWS OF BUILDING FOUR. THIS. WE USED A GOOD WE TRIED TO DO THIS. WE WANTED TO REALLY SEE HOW MUCH WE WOULD SEE WITH THE TREES. SO THE FIRST VIEW YOU'RE SEEING HERE. IT'S A GOO GOOGLE STREET VIEW BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST WE COULD GET RIGHT NOW. UM WE TOOK AND YOU CAN SEE THE OAK SUPERIMPOSED BACK HERE TRANSPARENT, SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE PLACED THE BUILDING. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD THE BUILDING PLACED CORRECTLY IN THE SITE AND IN THE PHOTOGRAPH. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY TURN THE TREES BACK UP TO WHERE THEY WOULD BE IN PLANS SO WE COULD SEE WHAT YOU'D ACTUALLY SEE, UH, AT LEAST AS AS BEST AS WE COULD FOR THE PHOTO IN PHOTO OVERLAY. UM YOU'RE SEEING HERE. THE GARAGE DOORS AND THE GLASS DOORS OF THE OF THE FRONT. SO THIS WOULD BE THAT RETAIL UNIT CHUNK RIGHT HERE THAT YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING AT THAT LOCATION. AND YOUR OFFICE SITS RIGHT HERE. DID YOU? ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE CORNER OF THE OFFENSE AS IT SITS RIGHT THERE. AND SO, SO THAT VIEW IS WHAT UH, IS A PHOTOGRAPH WITH THE TREES SORT OF AT THE TRANSPARENCY AS A AS THEY EXIST. HE'LL GIVE CRAP. OK UM AND SO A PERSON STANDING AT THAT LOCATION THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY WOULD SEE IN THE VIEW ON TOP, UM IF I UNDERSTAND REDUCES THE TRANSPARENCY JUST A BIT SO YOU COULD TELL YOU KNOW WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE BEHIND IT? YES WE KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE BUILDING RIGHT IN THE AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET IN THAT LOCATION. SO WE FED THE TREES BACK INTO THAT, AND THEN WE BROUGHT THE TREES BACK FORWARD. BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE A COMPARISON. SO WE COULD SAY YES.THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE BUILDING IS, AND THEN SEEING IT ONCE WE TURN THE TREES BACK ON.
AND SO THE THAT FACE YOU'RE SEEING THAT OBVIOUSLY, THE TREES AND THE PIN OAKS THAT ARE SITTING RIGHT HERE. UM U. FIVE LOOKS KIND OF FROM THE EAST SIDE . LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE BUILDING, IN FACT, VIEWED FIVE AND VIEWED, SIX ARE HAVING THAT SAME LOCATION. UM THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IS THAT VIEW FIVE IS A RENDERED VIEW TO CA, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SEE WHERE THE WHERE THE OAKS WOULD BE. YOU KNOW, T CLEANS UP SOME OF THE GROUND. THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE AT LEAST ACROSS THE GROUND LEVEL. AND THEN VIEW SIX. DOES THE SA ME APPROACH WE TOOK THE WE TOOK THE GOOGLE GOOGLE STREET VIEW WE STOOP ON TO WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE.
SO WE HAD IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT. AND THEN WE RETURN THE TREES BACK ON SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE WOULD SEE BEHIND THE TREES, AT LEAST IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND THEN THERE'S A VIEW SEVEN. I BELIEVE IT WAS ON HERE. U SEVEN IS BACK HERE KIND OF FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE BUILDING. THAT LOOKS BACK TO THAT FACADE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THREE AND THEN DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE STANDING FIRST YOU GO UP TO THE, UH THE ARROWS. SO I. I KNOW THAT'S THE ANGLE. NOW GO TO VIEW THREE. GO BACK UP. AND WHERE WOULD YOU WHERE WOULD SOME OF THESE STANDING YOU CAN USE THE POINTER TO SEE THAT VIEW? IF YOU'RE STANDING YOU WOULD BE YOU WOULD BE RIGHT ABOUT WHERE THE THREE WOULD BE. SOMEWHERE IN CALL IT IN THIS IN THIS CIRCLE IN HERE. DO WE KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM? FAR AS TRAVELING. WEST WEST FOUND. AND ABOUT NEAR THE DRIVEWAY. APPROXIMATELY WHAT THE VIEW FROM? YEAH, YOU YOU'D SEE A MIX YOU'D SEE NOT QUITE SO MUCH. YOU PROBABLY SEE NOT QUITE SO MUCH OF THIS VIEW BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FARTHER DOWN THE STREET. YOU'D BE LOOKING BACK BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD NOT SEE AS MUCH OF THIS WALL BECAUSE IT'S FADING BACK AT THAT POINT.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO VIEW ONE? AND, UM I'M SORRY. JUST THE S, THE ARROWS THE ARROW. WHERE SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PLANTED. WHERE WHERE THE TREE IS GOING TO BE PLANTED, YOU KNOW, JUST USING THIS AS SORT OF A SUMMARY JUST SO I UNDERSTAND. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TREES ARE GONNA BE PLANTED. UP AND THROUGH HERE. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY ACROSS THE BACK, WHICH IN THE INTERVIEW YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN THIS VIEW DOESN'T HAVE THOSE TREES THAT PERSPECTIVE, TREES AND THE IF, IF WE IF THIS YOU DID, THEY'D BE OFF THE SCREEN
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GOING THIS DIRECTION. MY SECOND QUESTION IS REGARDING THE DESIGN HAS PICKED A MANAGER FOR THIS FACILITY ALREADY. ARE THEY GOING TO SELF MANAGE IT? BECAUSE UH, MY QUESTION RELATES TO BECAUSE IF I MEAN JUST IF THERE IS A MANAGER WOULDN'T THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SORT OF COLORS AND DESIGNS THAT THEY WANT? FOR THIRD PARTY MANAGER WAS GONNA MANAGE THE FACILITY. HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT THE DESIGN? THE I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT IS GONNA MANAGE THE SITE THE COLOURS AND RAN THE SAME. SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A THIRD PARTY THAT COMES IN AND THEN WANTS TO CHANGE THE COLOR.WHAT? WHAT HIS QUESTION IS OTHERS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THAT'S JUST ASSUMING FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE AT THE END OF THE APPLICATION, THE BOARD WAS INCLINED TO GRANT IT AND I DON'T WANT TO GET ANYONE. UPSET. I ALWAYS GO HYPOTHETICALLY. IF THE BOARD LIKED WHAT THEY SAW, AND SAID, THAT'S THE CONDITION. IT'S GOTTA LOOK LIKE THAT HE'S ASKING . COULD SOMEONE COME IN THERE AND A MANAGER AND SWITCH OUT THE COLORS? USUALLY WHAT WE SEE IN THAT SITUATION AND THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING. WHEN WE SEE THOSE SITUATIONS. IT'S USUALLY IN THAT BLUE COLOR. YOU KNOW, SO IF IT WAS, UH KIND OF SOMEBODY THAT HAD A HE'S HOPING TO HEAR IS THAT IF THE BOARD APPROVED THIS WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA COME IN THERE AND SWITCH OUT THE COLORS, BUT APPARENTLY, SOMEONE COULD SWITCH OUT SOME OF THE COS THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SAYING. THAT'S NOT WHAT HOW HAPPENS. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN. UM THE MAIN BUILDING COLOURS. THE BRICK, THE STONE, THE WOOD. ALL THOSE COLORS STAY THE SAME. THAT'S WHY THE ONLY CHANGES THAT WE'VE THAT ARE EVER SEEN THAT I'VE OVER THE TIME WE'VE DONE. THESE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE COLORS. OKAY? I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THE RENDERINGS WHAT HE HAS SHOWN ON THE HERE. THE TREES. A RE. THEY THE DAY WHEN IT'S GONNA GET COMPLETED OR THIS IS LIKE HOW THE TREES IS GONNA LOOK FIVE YEARS OR COST LIKE THESE A RE ALL LOOKING LIKE A TALL TREES. THE TREES, THE TREES THAT ARE HERE ACROSS THE FRONT. THOSE REPRESENT THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE OUT THERE. USUALLY THE TREES THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. I'D LOVE TO SAY THEY'RE DAY. ONE TREES. USUALLY THEY'RE NOT.
USUALLY WE TRY TO HIT SOMEWHERE IN THE 3 TO 5 YEAR RANGE OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE BASED ON THE P.
THIS IS THE FIRST FIVE YEARS WILL BE NOT SEEING THE LANDINGS RIGHT? THESE RENDERINGS ARE FOR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW NOT IT'S USUALLY WHERE WE END UP TRYING TO GET THE RENDERINGS FOR ASIDE FROM THE EXISTING TREES. AND REGARDING THE SECOND BUILDING. IS THAT ALSO A TWO STORY BUILDING? YES, THERE'S DRIVE UP ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN CORRECT IF I CAN FLIP BACK HERE. SO YOU HAD TO DRIVE UP DOORS THAT ARE HERE FOR OUTSIDE ACCESS. AND THEN THIS IS THE LOCATION ENTRY FOR ALL THE INTERIOR UNS. COULD YOU ALSO SWITCH BACK TO THAT? THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT A SIX AND SHOW THE FLOOR PLAN FOR A SECOND FLOOR OF A SMALL BUILDING. CERTAINLY START WITH THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THEN SHE GO THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS THE FIRST FLOOR. THE FIRST FLOOR IS THE ONE ON THE LEFT. THE SECOND FLOOR IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE THESE ARE THE DRIVE UP UNITS HERE AND HERE. AND THIS IS THE BACKUP LOCATION OR THE LOADING LOCATION FOR THE REMAINDER OF UNITS THERE. ACTUALLY IN THIS BUILDING HAS ONE ELEVATOR TO GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR, CORRECT. CAN YOU CONFIRM? OF THE STRUCTURES NOW. 26.5 FT. YEAH. COULD YOU SHOW THE ELEVATION THAT SHOWS THAT. THAT IS NOT TO THE COPING. I'M 26 TO THIS LOCATION HERE. SIX.
THE LOCATION THERE. IT GOES 26 4.5 AND 26 6 BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY GET SLOPED ON IT 26 48 26 6 BY THE TIME I ACTUALLY GET THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DONE. AND, UM THE THERE'S A DOTTED LINE ABOVE, UH, ON THAT ELEVATION. WHAT IS THAT THAT DOTTED LINE REPRESENT THIS DOTTED LINE REPRESENTS THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION. THIS DOTTED LINE INSIDE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT SHOWS OUR APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE THE ROOF IS. AT THIS PRELIMINARY STRUCTURE AT THIS PRELIMINARY TIME IF THERE WAS ANOTHER DOTTED LINE FOR THE BUILDING. PROCEED OF THIS BUILDING. WHERE WOULD THAT BE? THAT FROM BEFORE THE IS GONE NOW . YES HE WANTS TO THE HEIGHT.
HOW HIGH WAS THE BUILDING THAT WAS THERE BEFORE? THAT WAS KNOCKED DOWN THAT I DID THAT I DON'T HAVE WITH ME. DIFFERENT QUESTION IF THERE WAS A DOTTED LINE THERE FOR A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, WHERE WOULD IT BE? A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY. TRUE STORY. YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE 20, THE 25 FT RANGE. AGAIN IT'S ASSUMING IT'S KIND OF A 10 FT FLOOR TO FLOOR OR 11 FT. FLOOR TO FLOOR AND THEN YOU KNOW SOME KIND OF MAN GROUP ABOUT UM DO
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OUR PROFESSIONALS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR? UH, THE ARCHITECT? COULD YOU GO TO THE, UH, THE OVERALL SHEET, THE ONE THAT HAS THE ARROWS ON IT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I. I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING CORRECTLY HERE, SO THE INTERIOR LOADING SPACE. IT'S IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. UM ON THE SITE PLANS THAT WE RECEIVED. THAT APPEARED TO BE ENCLOSED WITH A ROOF.HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OPEN IS THAT JUST FOR DISPLAY PURPOSES OR WILL THAT ACTUALLY BE WELL THERE, YOU KNOW, ROOF THERE THAT'LL BE OPEN TO THE SKY THAT AREA. THAT THAT I'M SHOWING IT OPEN SKY RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO CONFIRM WHAT THEY I MEAN. THERE'S NOTHING OVER IT IN TERMS. THERE'S NO FLOORING OVER IT, BECAUSE EVEN IF IT WAS EVEN IF IT WAS AN INTERIOR SPACE THE HIGH TO BE IN THERE TO BE NO FLOOR FROM A FLOOR PLAN STANDPOINT. OKAY SO THAT'S NOT THE ROOF. THAT'S THE FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. YEAH WELL, YES, CUZ THE LOADING SPACE. THE LOADING SPACE. IF IT WAS IS A BACK END, THEN THIS SPACE STILL DOES NOT EXIST ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO SHOW IT SHOWS A CANOPY ABOVE THE LOADING AREA, BUT NO CANOPY ABOVE THE REST OF THE NOTCH. I'M GOING TO CALL IT THAT'S YEAH, AND THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THERE IS A CANOPY THERE, THOUGH. IN REAL LIFE, THERE WILL BE YES, OK, UNDERSTOOD. AND, UH, FOR SO FOR THE BOARD. THAT IS MY ONLY QUESTION. I. I YEAH. COMMENT THAT WE HAD HAD IN OUR REPORT WAS THAT THE BLUE WAS, YOU KNOW, DISCORDANT AND THAT THE ZONE CALLS FOR TRADITIONAL DESIGN AND COLORS. AND SO THAT CHANGED SATISFIES. THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO REVIEW IT OR ON THE RUN. MR BERTONE GO AHEAD.
THE PRESENTATION IS MAKING GREAT ADVANTAGE OF EASING THOSE EXISTING TREES AND CAN HELP FROM YOU. ONE OF THOSE TREES IS DEAD. THE OTHER TWO ARE THE PROCESS OF FAILING I ALSO WILL BE THE NEXT ASHTRAYS. BUT I HOPE THE TREES THERE 10 YEARS I SUSPECT THEY WON'T BE. I JUST WONDER IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO REPLACE THOSE UM, WITH SUBSTANTIAL TREES. TO GO ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION. IN OTHER WORDS. AGAIN HYPOTHETICALLY IF THE BOARD FELT INCLINED AT THE END OF EVERYTHING TO GRANT THIS WOULD THE APPLICANT AGREE TO A CONDITION THAT ANY TIME ONE OF THOSE PIN OAK DIE AND HAVE TO BE REMOVED. THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED NOT BY A 6 TO 8 FT TREE, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY A YOU KNOW, BIG HEALTHY TREE. THE APPLICANT WOULD, UH, WOULD COMPLY WITH THAT WITH THE UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD REPLACE WITH THE SAME HEIGHT TREE JUST FOR LOGISTICAL STANDPOINT, BUT WITH MORE THAN A THAN A TWO INCH, UH, CALIBER. 2 2.5 3 TO 4 INCHES AND HAVE SOME SUBSTANCE. SO YOU SAYING 3 TO 4 INCH CALIPER? AND A AS THEY DIE, NOT YES. IF THE BOARD'S NOT ASKING YOU TO HAVE THEM REMOVED. FOR THE BOARD. MR BARTONE IS NOT ASKING YOU TO HAVE THEM REMOVED. MR CHAIRMAN. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM FIRST, AND THIS GOES FOR BOTH BUILDINGS. ARE THERE GOING TO BE AN OR PUSH CARTS STORED ON SITE? AND IF SO, WHERE. USUALLY WHEN THOSE ARE STORED, THEY ARE KEPT IN SOME FACT, THESE BOXES RIGHT HERE. OR WHERE THE HAND CARTS ARE USUALLY KEPT. THEY USUALLY LESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN. I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE LARGE BUILDING AND YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE ELEVATOR LOBBY CORRECT, AND THEY HAVE SIX LITTLE BOXES SHOWING THERE SIX LITTLE BOXES. WHETHER IT'S SIX OR WHETHER IT'S EIGHT AND THAT'S THEY'RE THEY'RE KEPT THERE SO THAT SOMEBODY COMING IN AND DOING IT, I'D LOVE TO SAY THERE WON'T BE ANYBODY THAT LEAVES THEM OUTSIDE WHEN THEY LEAVE THEIR STUFF, BUT THE INTENTION IS THAT THEY'RE STORED INSIDE IN THE ELEVATOR LOBBY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BUILDING? THEY WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE CENTER.
THE BOXES AREN'T SHOWING HERE, BUT THEY'D BE LOCATED HERE AND ALONG THE SIDE HERE. AND A I DID I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY. THE WEST BUILDING. ALL UM PATRON ACCESS IS GONNA BE THROUGH THAT ONE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE. ASIDE FROM THE UNITS THAT ARE ROLL UP ON THE OUTSIDE, YES. AND WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING FOR? LOADING AND UNLOADING THERE? WOULD THEY BE BACKING UP? PARKING THE ROLL UP DOORS. HOW OUR PEOPLE MOVING THEIR STUFF IN AND OUT. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET THE CIVIL ENGINEER TO CONFIRM THAT. BUT USE IT. THE STRIPED AING RIGHT HERE THAT SOME BOO COME BACK UP,
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UNLOAD THEIR STUFF. YOU KNOW, IN THE ELEVATOR AND UP AND THEN LEAVE. AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, WE CAN MIGHT BE ABLE TO C THAT ENGINEER BACK UP HERE ON TO CONFIRM HOW MUCH SPACE IS THERE.AND ONE OTHER QUESTION THE APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN HE'S DONE BEFORE THEY GO TO THEIR NEXT WITNESS. BRING HIM RIGHT BACK UP. AND THEN THE THIRD QUESTION. THE BUILDING IS 26. AND A HALF TO THE. THEY'RE RIGHT NOW. THERE IS AN OVERRUN FOR ELEVATOR WE DON'T HAVE. WE HAVEN'T PICKED THE ELEVATOR YET. UM SO I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE TALLEST ELEVATOR WE WOULD HAVE IS WHICH I BELIEVE WAS A CONE THAT HAS A 16 FT. OVERRUN FROM FLOOR TO FLOOR. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. THERE MAY BE A SPOT WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO SIX INCHES TO A FOOT HIGHER. I MEAN WHAT I LOVE YOU. YOU CAN'T PICK A PISTON ELEVATOR HERE BECAUSE YOU GOT CONTAMINATION. CORRECT SO WHAT KIND OF ELEVATOR WILL HAVE IT? WE'LL HAVE IT. IT WON'T BE TRACTION ELEVATOR THAT HAS A BIG HOUSE ON THE TOP, AND WE'LL HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE LIKE A AN OTIS GEN TWO ELEVATOR, SO THE MACHINE ACTUALLY SITS ON THE ELEVATOR CAB ITSELF. WE DO MOST OF THAT. NOW WE RARELY DO PISTON ELEVATORS. IN FACT, FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE THE NEW ELEVATORS HAVE GOTTEN CHEAP ENOUGH THAT THERE'S NO POINT IN DRIVING THE HOLE FOR THE PISTON AND TAKING THE CHANCE EVEN ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. THERE'S GOING TO BE NO ELEVATOR OR MECHANICAL RULE. THERE'S NO MECHANICAL ROOM. THE ONLY THING WE WOULD HAVE IS JUST THE OVERRUN THAT PUMPED UP AT THE TOP. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE FOOTPRINT. THE ALL THAT COMES UP. I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SAY IS IF WE NEED DO WE KEEP THE KEEP THE BILLING HEIGHT AT AT 29.5 OR WHATEVER IT IS UNDERNEATH THE REQUIREMENT FOR AC VARIANCE, AND SO WE HAVE JUST PURELY FOR THE OVER. WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE SAY ABOUT YOU KNOW, WITH ELEVATOR AND MECHANICAL BUILDING HERE IS TO THE TOP OF BUILDING IT. LOUD BUILDING. HATE IS TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. PORTION. UM COULD YOU GIVE ME TWO SECONDS TO I WANNA DOUBLE CHECK AND GET THE EXACT LANGUAGE. WHY YOU KEEP ON IT WHEN JAMES FOR ALL OF MY QUESTIONS. THROUGH TRAFFIC EXPERT. THAT WAS A HELL OF A QUESTION. YOU PICK UP A FEW THINGS THAT ARE TRUE ENOUGH. I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOOD FOR YOU.
WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT ELEVATOR IN TECHNICAL TERMS? THE KIND THAT HAS THE, UH, THE DRIVE THING ON TOP OF THE CAB. IT'S A TRACTION ELEVATOR. TRACTION. YEAH. YEAH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER ONE OF THOSE HERE JUST BECAUSE USUALLY WE ONLY USE THOSE ON SIX STORY AND UP BECAUSE I JUST DON'T DON'T NEED IT. WAITING ON MR KELLY HERE BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
I MEAN, IT'S IT WE MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK TO MY APOLOGIES. IT DOES TAKE NO WORRIES. AND THE PROFESSIONALS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FOR THE APP.
UH, ARCHITECT. THE ONE THING I DO WANNA MAKE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM IT. MR SHAH'S CONCERN REGARDING THE COLORS. THE APP IS REQUESTING AD VARIANCE SO CERTAINLY WITHIN THE IN MY OPINION, YEAH, THE BOARD CAN IMPOSE WHATEVER. WANTS TO SAY THAT IT'S GOT TO BE EXACTLY PURSUED TO THE EXHIBITS WITH NO DEVIATION. THE COURT CAN SAY THAT IF YOU'RE IF YOU ACT FAVOURABLY APPLICATION, YOU'RE RELYING ON THE AESTHETICS SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY CONDITION IT ON.
THE COLORS THAT ARE PRESENTED OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. ONE OF WELL, JAMES IS STILL LOOKING UM WELL. YEAH, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. NO. NO. ALL RIGHT. UH, WELL, WE'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR, UH, PUBLIC QUESTIONS FOR CROSS EXAMINATION. UM OF THIS WITNESS. YEAH. AND EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED YOURSELF, YOU HAVE TO EVERYONE HAS TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AGAIN , BOTH FOR US TAKING NOTES AND ALSO FOR OUR THE, UH FOR SONOGRAPHER. OOCH IP INT I TO GO SLOW ON THAT LAST NAME. START AGAIN. H IP. INTS THANK YOU. 118 WASHINGTON. UM FIRST QUESTION IS , UH, WHAT WERE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED? RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 775 UNITS OR 745 UNITS. CORRECTION. PERCENTAGE OF THOSE UNITS ARE DRIVE UP UNITS. YOU ASK ME HOW MANY AND THE PERCENTAGE IT LOOKS LIKE I'M 16 CARRYING ON SCREEN SO. THERE'S NO YES, THERE'S NO DRIVING UNITS IN THE SECOND BUILDING. A TOTAL OF 16 DRIVE UP
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UNITS. YOU'RE SAYING YES. 2% NORMALLY WHAT'S YOUR UNI MIX BREAKDOWN FOR SIZE OF UNIT. I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME. UH, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE FIVE BY 1010 BY 1010 BY 15 S. I 10 STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. USUALLY THEY ARE BUT NOT NECESSARILY. LOCATIONS WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSED TO BE STACKED, ARE THEY TO TIER SACK FOR 30 THERE, THERE'S ONE UNIT PER FLOOR. OK, SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION. WHAT'S THE PUSH DISTANCE? THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER TO THEIR UNIT. USER. WE TRY TO KEEP IT UNDER 200 FT. WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OFFICE? CALLED 900 FT. WOULD YOU BE TESTIFYING TO CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE OR THE OFFICER? OR WILL THAT BE ANOTHER THAT SOMEBODY ELSE? UM WHAT'S THE SHADOW IMPACT OF THE BUILDING ON THE EAST ELEVATION FACING ROCKY HILL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR? WE DIDN'T RUN THAT, BUT WITH THE REDUCED HEIGHT 26.5 FT. I BELIEVE WE ARE GET BACK TO MY CYCLONE HERE. I BELIEVE WE ARE FARTHER THAN IT IS FARTHER THAN THAT FROM THE BUILDING. I BET YOU YOU HAVEN'T DONE A SHADOW STUDY. CORRECT. I DON'T HAVE A STUFF WITH ME. WE CAN EASILY DO ONE. SHE SHE WANTED TO KNOW. DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS? AT THIS POINT YOU DO NOT, HE DID NOT KNOW. AND WHAT'S YOUR RATIONALE FOR NOT ADDING MORE FENESTRATION? THINGS LIKE YOU. TRIED. MY OPINION IS YOU COULD TRY HARDER. I'LL AND WE USE SOMETHING PROPORTIONAL WE FELT WAS PROPORTIONAL TO BREAK UP THE WALL. OK? LAST QUESTION. UM WHAT WOULD IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT FOR THE PARAPET? ON. THEY CALL IT RIGHT THERE. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT FROM THE ROOF? OR COMPARED FROM THE ROOF TO THE PARAPET FROM THE ROOF TO THE PARAPET FROM FROM CALLED THE MAIN ROOF TO THE LOWER LOWER PARAPET. YOU'RE PROBABLY 2 FT. AND FROM HERE TO THE ROO FOR PROBABLY 3.5. IT'LL DEPEND ON WHAT THE FILE SLOPES OF THE ROOF ARE WHEN WE DO THE FINAL DESIGN. SO JUST TO CONFIRM THE ROOF HEIGHT PHASE IS 26 FT AND BE 2.5 TO 3 FT. HIGHER THE TOP OF THE PARAPET IS 26. THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE PARA IS 26.5. OH, OK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AS A FOLLOW UP ACTUALLY TO HER QUESTION. WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN? TO THE HOUSE ON THE EAST FROM WHAT'S WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT DISTANCE DO YOU KNOW? UM JUST MAKE SURE I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK I'M YOU'RE TALKING FROM HERE TO THERE. I HAVE TO REFER THE SYMBOL FOR THAT ONE.PEOPLE'S COMING BACK ANYWAY, SO AFTER THIS WITNESS IS DONE. YEAH, WELL, WE'LL WAIT ON THAT QUESTION. UM NEXT QUESTION. JUST JUMP IN ON THAT QUESTION, SO THERE'S GENERAL EXCEPTIONS IN MODIFICATIONS FOR BUILDING HEIGHTS AND SPECIFIC ZONES, INCLUDING THE HC ZONE, SO YOU ARE ALLOWED SPECIFIC. TYPES OF EQUIPMENT ABOVE UP TO 20% BUT NOT MORE THAN 20% ABOVE THE PERMITTED HEIGHT LIMIT, WHICH INCLUDES PENT HOUSES OR ROOF STRUCTURES FOR THE HOUSING OF STAIRWAYS, TANKS, VENTILATING FANS, HVAC OR SIMILAR EQUIPMENT. I WOULD ARGUE ELEVATOR AND STAIRWAY OR SOME MORE EQUIPMENT. UM, IT SOUNDS FROM THE TESTIMONY. WE'VE HEARD THAT IT WON'T BE EVEN CLOSE. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS PRETTY SMALL. I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND AS A CONDITION.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC HEIGHT THAT THE BOARD WANTS, WE CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR THAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN LINE WITH THE ORDINANCE, WHICH THIS PARTICULAR HEIGHT LIMIT IS LOCATED IN 16-6 0.2 B, WHICH WOULD AGAIN 6.2. B, AS IN BOY B, AS IN BOY TO 20% HIGHER THAN THE LIMIT. WOULD SO 36 FT THEN YES FOR A SPECIFIC PIECE OF NECESSARY ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT. AND AGAIN, I WOULD IT WOULD JUST IT WOULD ONLY BE THAT PENTHOUSE THAT YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH. WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN A PIN OUT. WHAT DO YOU WHAT WOULD YOU CALL ON TOP OF A TRACTION ELEVATOR? IT'S ON THE ROOF. WHAT IS IT? IT'S AN OVERRUN. IT'S AN OVERRUN JUST I MEAN, IS IT MORE THAN 3? FT 3.5 FT. NO, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT IT WHEN WE LOOKED AT EARLIER TODAY, IF WE TOOK THE WORST CASE, WHICH WAS NOTICE YOUR 16 FT, YOU KNOW, FROM FINISHED FLOOR TO THE TOP OF WHERE THAT OVER ROOM WOULD BE . IF I'M MY SECOND FLOOR HERE IS AT 11 FT, SO I I'M ALMOST EVIL
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IN THE PARA, BUT NOW WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT ELEVATOR WE MIGHT BUY. REGARDLESS I WOULDN'T BE OVER. I WOULDN'T BE OVER THE 30 FT REQUIREMENT THAT IT SITS. NO, NO, NO. BUT I LIKE JAMES IDEA IF THE BOARD FOUND ITSELF IN A POSITION THAT IT WANTED TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. THE CONDITION IN MY OPINION SHOULD LIMIT THE ELEVATOR OVERRUN TO NO HIGHER THAN FILL IN THE BLANK. I WOULD S, YOU KNOW, 3.5 FT. HE SAYS. YES, AT THIS POINT BASED ON WHAT I KNOW BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO INCREASE. THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, JUST FOR ELEVATOR OVER. WELL AND I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE CODE HAS A, UH, A HEIGHT EXCEPTION, WHICH PERMITS PENTHOUSE TO BE 20% OF S ABOVE. SO IN THIS CASE, 30 FT IS YOUR MAX HEIGHT 36 FT. YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE 6 FT OF EQUIPMENT SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT THAT IS IDENTIFIED. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION IS TO HAVE A CONDITION LIMIT IT TO 3.5 FT.RIGHT WHICH IS IT? IF THE BOARD WANTS THAT I, I WOULD RECOMMEND MAKE THAT A CONDITION TO MAKE IT A SPECIFIC WAY. AND WHAT? WHAT I FOR MY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THAT RUN WOULD BE, IF UH, IF HE'S SAYING THAT IT'S 3.5 FT, I WOULD SAY, LET'S MAKE THAT THE MAXIMUM RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING SOMETHING THE ONLY WE'RE AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD, UNDERSTOOD. WORD OF ADJUSTMENT WITH THE NEGATIVE CRITERION. IN MY OPINION, THE BOARD CAN IMPOSE CONDITIONS THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW. YES.
AND FIGHTER SENSE TESTIMONY CORRECTLY, 3.5 FT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR ANY OTHER ELEVATORS THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE THAT 0.16 TO 17 FT. ABOVE FINISH FLOOR SO ALRIGHT, WE'LL RESUME. UH, PUBLIC QUESTIONS. UH, WASHINGTON STREET. A QUICK QUESTION. UM, SECURITY. CAN YOU ADDRESS THE SECURITY ON THE SITE IN TERMS OF FENCING. THAT SORT OF THING. I HAVE TO KICK BACK TO OURS. I KICK BACK TO OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMETHING WITH FENCING BEFORE IS THAT HOPEFULLY CIVIL ENGINEERS TAKING NOTES? THIS IS THE THIRD THING THAT YOU'RE COMING BACK FOR NOW, OK? I'M TALKING TO THEIR CIVIL ENGINEER TELLING HIM TO MARK DOWN. THIS IS THE THIS IS THE THIRD ITEM THAT HE'S COMING BACK AFTER THIS GUY'S DONE. AND QUICK QUESTION. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT FROM AROUND HERE. BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE OTHER STORAGE FACILITY DOWN AT THE AIRPORT IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP AT ALL IN TERMS OF DESIGN, I. I DROVE BY IT A COUPLE TIMES I HAVE NOT STOPPED STUDIED EFFECT. OK, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. NEW YORK. I'M STILL ELIZABETH BAY. I HAVE. I HAVE I'M CONCERNED. HOW THIS IS GOING TO FIT INTO THE LANDSCAPE IN GENERAL. SO THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT. OF THE TALL BUILDING IS GOING TO BE HOW MANY FEET FROM THE GROUND AND COMPARED TO WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT FIND IT AND HOW MANY HOW? HOW. THAT AND ALSO TAKING THE CONSIDERATION THAT THE GRADING IS HIGHER. UNDER THIS PROJECT THAN IT IS AT SHOPRITE.
SO COULD YOU GIVE US THOSE FIGURES, PLEASE? AND I KNOW WE'RE 26.5 FT ABOVE GRADE AT OUR LOCATION. 26 FT SIX FOR OUR SITE ABOVE GRADE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ELEVATION OF THE SHOPPING CENTER IS AND WHAT THE GREAT CHANGE ON THAT IS. SO STRUCTURES WILL COME TOGETHER INTO SOME KIND OF HOR. AND I'LL EXPLAIN AFTERWARDS. WHY FROM A FROM A HEIGHT STANDPOINT. NO I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT. YOU GOT BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. YOU START. YEAH, TRY LIKE THAT PERFECT. SO YOU CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION . I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT COMPARISON AND PULLED THE INFORMATION ON THE SHOPPING CENTER. SO THEN YOU'RE ASKING BASICALLY HER. THIS BOARD TO APPROVE SOMETHING AND IT NOT EXACTLY CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO BE PROOF THAT OK? WELL I THINK WHAT HE WHAT HIS TESTIMONY WAS THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THE ELEVATION OF THE SHOPRITE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE. THIS IS A SEPARATE SITE. WE DON'T REPRESENT THE OWNERS OF SHOP. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY WORK TO BE DONE A T THE SHOP, RIGHT? TANGENTIAL. TALKING ABOUT BEING TANGENTIAL. THIS. INSTRUCTION. INSTRUCTION AREA. IS ACTUALLY TANGENTIAL. CAN I CAN I CAN I HELP YOU OUT HERE? I TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK WHAT SHE'S
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ASKING IS IF YOU'D BE WILLING SHOW. WHAT IT WOULD WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO THE HEIGHT OF THE SHOP, RIGHT BUILDING. IF THERE IS SOMEONE STANDING SOMEWHERE THAT COULD SEE THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ASKING. THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS, TOO. IT'S COMPARISON OF OUR SITE AND OUR BUILDING COMPARED TO THE SHOPPING CENTER SIDE AND THEIR ELEVATION AND THE HEIGHT AND WELL, WE'RE ADDED TO THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THAT WILL ADJOIN THIS. TO THE STEP BACK AGAIN. WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS YOU'RE GETTING TOO CLOSE TO THAT MIC. SO BOTH MICS ARE PICKING YOU UP AND GIVING FEEDBACK. JUST STAY RIGHT OVER THERE. THE ACOUSTICS. MM. I CAN. I CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GET AS CLOSE AS I CAN. BASED ON WHATEVER LIMITED INFORMATION I'D BE ABLE TO GET. I MEAN, IF WE CAN. WE CAN TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, I.I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT'LL BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE, THOUGH. EXPLAIN TO YOU AFTERWARD. WELL, THAT. AND ANDREW C HR A GG ER ATTORNEY FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER . I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS WHICH REALLY DON'T IMPACT US. I THINK THAT MUCH WE TALKED ABOUT THE COLORS IN YOUR RENDERINGS. THE DOORS WERE BLUE. I'M CURIOUS. THE WINDOWS SHOW THE BLUE THROUGH ARE THOSE WINDOWS THAT THEY CAN SEE THE DOORS INSIDE. CORRECT AND WHAT IS THE REASON FOR NOT KEEPING THEM? UM, IT'S A PRINT FOR PRINT. WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY YOU ALLOW THEM TO SEE THE PUBLIC TO SEE INSIDE. IT'S SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY DO ON ALMOST EVERY SELF STORAGE PROJECT WE HAVE NOW IT'S A DISPLAY WINDOW, SO A IT GIVES SOME DEPTH TO THE BUILDING. SO IT'S NOT JUST A FLAT FACADE OF THE YOU KNOW, REFLECTIVE GLASS YOU CAN'T SEE INTO IT. IT ALLOWS DEPTH IN THE BUILDING ALSO ALLOWS SOMEBODY TO SEE WHAT THE INSIDE OF THE FACILITY LOOKS LIKE. SO THEY'RE NOT USABLE DOORS. THEY'RE FALSE DOORS. THE ONLY TIME ANYBODY IS IN THERE IS TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB OR OCCASIONALLY THE DUST, BUT IT'S TO KIND OF GET THAT VISUAL. LOOK AT WHAT THE INSIDE OF THIS LOOKS LIKE. IS THIS A NEXT QUESTION? IS THIS A TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED FACILITY? YES. AND WHERE ARE THE UNITS FOR THEY ARE THEY ARE ON THE ROOF, AND THEY ARE SMALLER STYLE RESIDENTIAL UNITS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SHOWN IN ANY OF THESE RENDERINGS BELOW. THE 26 POINT WILL BE BELOW THE 26 FT.
THANK YOU. THEY'RE GONNA BE BELOW THE POWER PIN. YES I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY END UP BEING. WE WOULD PROVIDE A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN'T SEE THEM FROM THE ROAD OR ANY OF THE PROPERTY LINES AS YOU GO AROUND. YEAH, BUT CAN YOU MAKE A REPRESENTATION THAT ANY ROOFTOP HV AC UNITS WILL BE NO HIGHER THAN THE PARAPET. LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. HELLO AGAIN. SUSAN BRISTOL, WASHINGTON STREET RESIDENT OF ROCKY HILL. SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
HAVE YOU EVER VISITED THE SITE IN PERSON AND WALKED AROUND THE SITE? HAVE YOU WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL? I WOULD SAY MAYBE LIKE 10 MINUTES IN EVERY DIRECTION. I WENT UP TO THE VILLAGES THERE. I DROVE AROUND THE SHOPPING CENTER SOME I CAME IN FROM THE SOUTH. SO I SAW THE WW. UM I WENT TO NOW. THIS WAS BACK IN JANUARY. THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE. I WENT EAST OF THE SITE, BUT I DIDN'T GET AT THE TIME I HAD NOT GONE DRIVEN BACK AND NEIGHBORHOODS. SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS I ASIDE FROM DRIVING BY THEM FROM THE FROM THE MAIN ROAD I HAVE NOT DRIVEN BACK TO ARE YOU AWARE THAT WITHIN THE 200 FT NOTICE DISTANCE UM THE 200 FT RADIUS INCLUDES A NATIONALLY REGISTERED HISTORIC SITE. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. OKAY, SO, UM THEN YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, WHICH IS THE ROCKY HILL MUNICIPAL GUIDE TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT OBLIGATES ALL OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT DISTRICT THROUGHOUT A MAJORITY OF THE MUNICIPALITY OF ROCKY HILL TO COMPLY WITH DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THAT DISTRICT. I'D BE HAPPY TO PRESENT YOU WITH A COPY IF YOU HAVEN'T SENT IT ON YOUR OWN. IS THIS BEING PRESENTED AS AN EXHIBIT? I THINK SHE LISTEN. SHOW HIM THAT. ASK HIM IF HE'S EVER SEEN IT. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THIS? AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT EXACT COPY. SO IF SHE HASN'T SEEN IT IF HE HASN'T SEEN IT, THEN WHEN YOU COME UP WITH YOUR PUBLIC SWORN COMMENTS, YOU CAN ENTER THAT AS AN EXHIBIT. OK SO HE CONFIRMED HE HASN'T SEEN IT. HE DID NOT KNOW THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, ALSO, I AM NOW ASKING RECORD. I THINK THE QUESTION TO HIM WAS, IS THERE WAS HE AWARE THAT THERE WAS A BUILDING 200? THAT'S WHAT YOU ASKED HIM. HE
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SAID NO, HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN HISTORIC DISTRICT WITHIN 200 FT. THAT'S WHAT YOU ASKED HIM. THAT'S WHAT HE ANSWERED. YEAH, IT'S A IT'S. IT'S NOT ONLY A HISTORIC PROPERTY. IT'S PART OF OUR WHOLE DISTRICT CURRENT. YOU ASKED HIM. WAS HE AWARE THAT WITHIN 200 FT OF THE PROPERTY AND HE ANSWERED NO SO, UM, IF YOU DID WALK AROUND AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROJECT? WHAT DO YOU SEE? FROM, I GUESS DIRECTLY DUE SOUTH.YEAH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FRONT TO SIDE. THAT FREED FROM THIS PROPERTY THERE. THERE IT IS. THE CONTEXT PLAN. WHAT? WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THOSE? BUILDINGS AND THOSE THERE IS A AS I REMEMBER THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING HERE WITH THE PARKING LOT, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT LOOKED LIKE A COUPLE RES NICHES AND THEN OF CONVENIENCE STORE. YEAH SO, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ABOUT THE SCALE OF THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS? HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE SCALE OF THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ACROSS THE STREET? I MEAN, IT'S WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER IS TYPICAL COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU PROBABLY THEN DIDN'T MAYBE? DID YOU NOTICE THAT THOSE ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET ARE ACTUALLY IN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS OR WERE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS OR ARE ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL SCALE BUILDINGS? I DIDN'T LOOK AT EACH OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE BUILDING TO THAT DEGREE NOW. OK, BUT ARE YOU CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THOSE ARE IN THE SAME? WHAT IS IT? THE HC DISTRICT RIGHT OF MONTGOMERY. ACROSS THE STREET IS IN THE SAME ZONE AS YOUR PROJECT. KICK BACK THE SILVER FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL ZONING PIECES THAT WERE THERE. OK? SO, UM I, I GUESS, UM SORT OF WONDERING. WHAT IS THE ARCHITECTURAL PRECEDENT? THAT INSPIRED YOUR DESIGN? BECAUSE NOW WE SEE PEDIMENTS AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY CAME FROM, OR WHY THEY'RE THERE. WE SEE FAITH FENESTRATION WE SEE UM , WINDOWS THAT MAYBE PENETRATE INTO THE BUILDING AND OTHERS THAT ARE BLANK. WE SEE BLANK WALLS. WE SEE WALLS WITH COLORS, WHICH DON'T INDICATE ANY CHANGE IN USE OR MASSING. CAN YOU? CAN YOU RESTATE THE QUESTION? WHAT'S THE QUESTION THE ARCHITECTURAL INSPIRATION ARCHITECTURAL PRECEDENT. WHAT INSPIRED THE DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING. TO MATCH A MORE RETAIL. HIGH WE PRESENT OK, SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY BEING THAT IT'S NOT RETAIL AND DOESN'T CONFORM WITH THE USE IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE MAKING AN ARGUMENT AGAIN. OK THEN, WOULD YOU LISTEN? LISTEN, LISTEN, YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE ARGUMENTS THAT YOU WANT. RIGHT WHEN EVERYONE GETS THIS IS JUST LISTEN. JUST LISTEN. YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS. YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO SET UP YOUR ARGUMENTS, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THE ARGUMENTS NOW. SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT THIS DESIGN STYLE IS FAUX RETAIL? YES, I WOULD. AND UM, DID YOU READ THE PLANNERS REPORT THAT DISCUSSED THE DESIGN OF YOUR PROJECT? WHICH PLANNERS REPORT? ARE YOU ASKING HIM ABOUT PLANNERS REPORT, WHICH SORRY. IT'S ONLY IN MY MEMORY. I DON'T HAVE A JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A NEW ONE ISSUED TO OUR AMENDED ONE ISSUED TODAY, MARCH 28 THAT JUST MADE IT DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ONE. ACCESS IF YOU CHECK THE WEBSITE, BUT IT ONLY MADE REVISIONS TO, UM WHAT THE MAXIMUM FA R WAS NOT NOT EVEN THAT IT CHANGED THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THE FA R. I SAID DOUBLE IT WAS QUADRUPLE. I JUST CORRECTED. TWO WORDS CORRECTED HIS INITIAL REPORT OF MARCH 26. THAT'S JUST SECOND REPORT. NOT THE FIRST ONE. THERE WAS A SECOND ONE. ARE YOU AWARE THAT HE FILED A REPORT ON MARCH 26? A FEW DAYS AGO. THAT WOULD BE MARCH 26TH AND MARCH 26TH. SO MARCH 26TH. HE CHARACTERIZED THE FA R AS BEING DOUBLE. WHAT'S THE MAX? THE MAX PERMITTED THIS MARCH. 28TH MEMO CORRECTS THAT AND SAYS THAT THE FA R IS QUADRUPLED. WHAT THE MAXIMUM OTHER THAN THAT EVERYTHING IN THE MARCH 28TH REPORT IS THE SAME AS MARCH. 26TH YEAH, THAT'S AWESOME. THAT'S GREAT. SO IF YOU ASKED HIM HAVE YOU AGREE THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO 20TH INDUSTRIAL SOMETHING OR OTHER. DISRUPTED TO DESIGN IT WITH THAT. OK, WHERE? IN THE REPORT WHERE IN THE REPORT? IS THERE A THAT YOU AND I REMEMBER THAT YOU WERE HERE IN THE AT THE JANUARY HEARING AS WELL. I'VE PRODUCED TWO FULL REPORTS. THE FIRST WAS REVIEWING THE FIRST SUBMITTAL. AND THEY HAVE MADE, UH, A NUMBER OF CHANGES SINCE THEN. I DESCRIBED I. I BELIEVE ACCURATELY. THE FIRST DESIGN AS A AS AN INDUSTRIAL STYLE
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BUILDING. STUFF LIKE A FAUX INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. THAT WAS WHAT THEY HAD. PRESENTED IN THIS ITERATION OF IT. THAT IS NOT THE CHARACTERIZATION I USED BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT I BELIEVE. THAT DESIGN IS, UM, I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, I. I COULD SHOW IT TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RELEVANT TO YOUR QUESTION, JUST TO BE CLEAR MY QUESTION. HOLD ON. FOR THE RECORD. HOLD ON. FOR THE RECORD. HOLD ON. HIS FIRST REPORT IS DATED NOVEMBER 22. 2023 YES. IN THAT REPORT. THAT'S WHERE YOU DESCRIBE THE ARCHITECTURE AS FAUX INDUSTRIAL AS IN INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL. THE MARCH 26 IN THE MARCH 28TH REPORT. DOES NOT CHARACTERIZE IT LIKE THAT. I'M GOING TO ASK JAMES JUST SO WE GET THE FACTS. STRAIGHT. THEN YOU CAN ASK THE WITNESS THE QUESTION. JAMES, WHAT ARE YOU NOW? CHARACTERIZING THE ARCHITECTURE AS THE PROPOSED BUILDING CONTAINS A TYPICAL HIGHWAY OR PAGE 16 OF 33 ITEM. 10.1. A NICE AND SLOW THE PROPOSED BUILDING. CONTAINS A TYPICAL HIGHWAY ORIENTED AESTHETIC SIMILAR TO A STRIP COMMERCIAL MALL. ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN. AN ATTEMPT TO COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER. AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS BROWN COLORING, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE HERE. HOWEVER, THE USE OF BLUE METAL AWNINGS IS VISUALLY DISCORDANT. AND DRAWS UNNECESSARY ATTENTION TO THE BUILDING. WHILE THE APPEARANCE IS AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE ORIGINAL INDUSTRIAL DESIGN, THAT IS THE VIEW OF THIS OFFICE THAT THE MORE BRICK HEAVY DESIGN PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED BY THIS OFFICE AND INCORPORATED INTO THE SECOND REVISION, BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY THE THIRD REVISION THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED. THE SECOND REVISION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IS THE MORE ATTRACTIVE OPTION. ALTERNATIVELY THE APPLICANT MAY UTILIZE THE NEARBY VILLAGE SHOPS IN MONTGOMERY AS A MODEL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT IS REMINISCENT OF TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE IN THE AREA. AFTER THAT I IN. I INCLUDED AN IMAGE OF THE NEARBY VILLAGE SHOPS AT SO THAT IS THE BOARD PLANNER'S OPINION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. NOW YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT. MY QUESTION IS ANY OF THE AESTHETIC COMMENTARY IN ANY OF THE PLANT. BOARD PLANNERS REPORTS INFLUENCE WITH THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO LOOK LIKE WE WENT THROUGH.AND DISCUSSED WITH THE KIND OF WHERE WE COULD BE, AND WE ENDED UP AT THIS LOCATION. WE MADE MODIFICATIONS BASED ON SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS. HEY, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM ARE THERE. FAKE? UH, ARE THERE FAKE WINDOWS IN THE PROJECT? REALLY? NO, THERE ARE NO FAKE WINDOWS IN THE PROJECT. EVERY WINDOW IS A VISION WINDOW. THERE'S NO SPAN OR GLASS. UH, IS THERE A FAKE ARCADE THAT DOES NOT ACTUALLY PROVIDE ENTRY TO THE BUILDING? K TO CAN YOU CREATE SOME PEDESTRIAN SCALE ALONG THE FACE OF THE BUILDING? BUT NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY PEDESTRIANIZE IT OR OCCUPY IT OR ACCESS ANYTHING THROUGH IT. THANK YOU. UM REGARDING, UM YOUR LOCATION.
YOUR PERSPECTIVE VIEW. I BELIEVE. NUMBER FOUR. UM HAVING HEARD THE CONVERSATION EARLIER FROM, UH, MR SCHRAGER. AND, UM BASED ON SOME MAYBE SOME COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING ABOUT ACCESS. ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT YOU SHOWS PERFECTLY AND EXISTING ACCESS POINT INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH INTERSECTION. I THAT CAR IS. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT CAR IS GOING AND WHY IT'S GOING THERE THAT'S GOING TO THE RETAIL BEHIND OR THE SHOP, THE BUSINESSES BEHIND IT. YEAH, SO THAT'S A ONE WAY ENTRANCE IN TO THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER. AND UH, MR SCHRAGER WAS, YOU KNOW, ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT EARLIER. I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS A VERY CON. UH, KIND OF EXAMPLE OF THAT. BUT DIDN'T KNOW WHY IT WAS IN, YOUR RENDON. WE SHOWED THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SHOWED THIS STRAIGHT ON VIEW OF THE SITE THAT WE COULD SHOW WITH THE BUILDING IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING TREES. BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT IS NOT THE SHOP RIGHT SHOPPING CENTRE. THAT'S CORRECT. NO, IT IS UM AN ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE TO A SIMILAR SHOPPING CENTER. ON THE OTHER QUADRANT OF THE TWO AND 6 518 INTERSECTION, AND IT'S ONE WAY AND IT'S VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN. JUST TRY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT IT WAS. IT WAS UNCLEAR WHETHER YOU WERE SUGGESTING THAT THAT WAS THE SHOP. RIGHT UH, SHOPPING CENTER, SO I GAVE HER I'M JUST CLARIFYING FOR THE RECORD THAT IT WAS NOT THAT ONE. UM WE ALSO HEARD SOME COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT TREES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF TREES IN YOUR RENDERINGS. HAVE
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YOU LOOKED AT THE GRADING PLANS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UM, PROPOSED AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THESE TREES THAT FIGURE HEAVILY IN YOUR RENDERINGS, THE MATURE TREES AND HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WHETHER OR NOT THE MATURE TREES WOULD ACTUALLY EVEN SURVIVE WITH THE GRADING CHANGES THAT ARE REPRESENTED ON THE PLAN. CAN BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ANSWER. THAT YOU WOULD. WHAT I'M NOT THE ONE TO TALK ABOUT THE GRADING PLANS AND ONE THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR. CHECK THE GRADING AGAINST THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN . I THINK PUT IT THIS WAY. THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE FOR THE ENGINEER. PUT IT DOWN ON YOUR PAD. THAT'S ITEM FOUR. OK? FIVE. I WAS THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE.YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, UM, I GUESS MY, UM FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE UM DO YOU DESIGN ANYTHING OTHER THAN ALL STORAGE? YES. AND HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ASKED TO DESIGN A BUILDING AT THE GATEWAY? THE ENTRANCE TO A TOWN LIKE LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LITERALLY THE MONTGOMERY.
WELCOME TO MONTGOMERY SIGN IS THERE AND THE WELCOME TO ROCK AND ROLL SIGN. IS THERE. DO YOU EVER DESIGNED WHAT I WOULD CALL A GATEWAY BUILDING? AND CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE? I MEAN, I DO WORK ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO I MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, WHETHER IT BE A CELL STORAGE OR A RETAIL OR AN OFFICE BUILDING, OR, UH, THAT HAS THE PROMINENCE OF A GATEWAY SITE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY. SHE'S SAYING. HAVE YOU DESIGNED ANYTHING AT A GATEWAY LOCATION IN ANY COMMUNITY, MEANING? THE ENTRANCE INTO THE COMMUNITY FROM A ROAD. YEAH. OK? UM AND, UM. I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE WHERE THIS. I ASSUME IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A MODULAR SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE TO INTO A SHELL. WHERE CAN WE GO IN NEW JERSEY TO SEE THIS PROJECT? BUILT SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS. SOMETHING OF THAT LEVEL . UH THIS THIS OWNER THIS OWNER, BUT WE HAVE ONE IN SOUTH OR SOUTH ORANGE. OK, SO CAN YOU GIVE US THE NAME OF THAT? SO IF WE WANTED TO TAKE A FIELD TRIP AND GO LOOK AT IT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE LOOK LIKE IN OTHER TOWNS, AND IT'S I'D HAVE TO GIVE IT TO YOU. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO THE CURRENT OWNER IS. AND WHEN WE DID IT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. SO YEAH. AND THEN FOR THE BOARD. I DIDN'T SEE UH, A REPORT FROM YOUR ARCHITECT, AND I DON'T SEE AN ARCHITECT HERE. TO RESPOND TO THE ARCHITECTURE. IF YOU CAN ASK THAT AT YOUR, UM THIS IS FOR THE WITNESS. YOU CAN ASK THAT QUESTION LATER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HUDSON AVENUE, ROCKY HILL. DID I ASK HIM? IF YOU SEE MY BEFORE I START. NO, MA'AM. YOU DON'T SHOW IT TO THE BOARD. YOU DO. DO NOT TURN AROUND. DO NOT TURN IT AROUND. NO, NO, NO. LET ME SEE WHAT YOUR CAN YOU CAN YOU PLEASE HOLD ON? WHAT'S THE ONE THE ONE IN THE BACKGROUND. YES THEY THEY APPEAR TO BE THE SUBMISSION FROM BACK IN JANUARY. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A COMPARISON. I DON'T HAVE THE I DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL TO HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. THE ENGINEER WILL KNOW IF PC ARCHITECT HE TOOK THE BUILDING. THE ENGINEER WILL KNOW IF THE FOOTPRINT INCREASED. THAT'S FOR SITE ENGINEER. THE SITE ENGINEER . DOES THAT AND GIVES IT TO HIM. THAT'S THE ARCHITECT. OK, IF YOU SAY IT'S THE ARCHITECT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, II. I WILL SAY, I THINK IT DID INCREASE A LITTLE. ONCE WE STARTED TO REDESIGN. I DIDN'T GO BACK AND RE ORNATE MYSELF ON ALL THE OLD DATA FROM ALL THE OLD PIECES, SO IT IT INCREASED A LITTLE. I COULD. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND TELL YOU HOW MUCH HOW ARE YOU GONNA? HOW ARE YOU GONNA
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DETERMINE WHETHER IT INCREASED ANY TELL US WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? I CAN GO BACK AND I CAN PULL OUR C AD FILES UP AND RUN THE OLD BUILDING AND THE NEW BUILDING AND GIVE YOU A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO THAT ALSO ON THE ONE OF THESE THESE BUILDINGS WHEN YOU SHOW THE DOTTED LINES FROM THE OLD BUILDING. YOU GO TO THAT SHOT? ON THE OTHER SIDE. SEEMS LIKE THAT BUILDING IS ALSO INCREASED. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, I KNOW WE ALSO PUNCHED THAT THAT CORNER OUT A LITTLE BIT. THAT HAS INCREASED BECAUSE THE CORNER HAS BEEN PUNCHED OUT. I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND DO THE SAME COMPARISON. I CAN DO THE SAME OVERLAY BECAUSE WHEN THE ONE PIECE OF THE SITE CHANGED. THE OTHER PIECE PROBABLY CHANGED WITH AS WELL AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE BUILDING INCREASE YOU ARE SAYING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT INCREASE OK, JUST TO BE CLEAR. I WAS LIKE UM, AND ALSO IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. I HAD ACTUALLY GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH MONTGOMERY THE DAY AFTER. ALSO NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. AS AND THE OLD OFFICE BUILDING. IF YOU DON'T NOT. IS THERE IS THERE IS THAT A QUESTION? THAT IS AT AN AT A IT IS A QUESTION. CAN YOU DO THAT? YEAH, I. I CAN ADD THE PIECE I. I WILL SAY THIS I, AS I TOLD THE PREVIOUS PERSON. I SAID, I WILL GET AS CLOSE AS I CAN. IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, PULLING OUT GOOGLE EARTH. GOOGLE EARTH IS NOT THE HOUSE. YOU CAN GO WITH YOUR LITTLE ELECTRONIC SCANNER. I MEAN, THESE THINGS ARE ALL AVAILABLE. TECHNOLOGY IS AMAZING, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING TO SO LONGER. THERE. RIGHT WELL THAT YOU CAN GET OFF ONLINE BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR UM OK? UM OK, THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW HERE. IF YOU OF THE NEW BUILDING THE SMALLER BUILDING BECOMING TWO STORIES IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT FOR A MINUTE. UM, THERE'S ANOTHER. THERE'S A DIFFERENT ANGLE PICTURE OF THAT A RENDERING OR FROM A FLAT ELEVATION. NO, IT'S A RENDERING. KEEP GOING NOW. WAIT. WHAT IT BASICALLY LOOKS TOWARDS NO, IT'S THE LEFT END NOW. LET ME LET ME GO BACK TO HERE. THAT HELP? UM, IT'S IT MAY BE. IT'S PROBABLY ONE OR TWO. IT WOULD BE THREE. RIGHT THERE. OK, SO THIS IS THE ONE STORY BUILDING THAT IS NOW TWO STORIES WHERE THE BACK OF IT IS COMPLETELY SOLID CONCRETE, CORRECT. PAN. LET'S NOT CONQUER YOU. UH UNDERNEATH THAT TREE VERY LOW. WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE WW WOULD BE. SO THAT IS BARELY TO THE FIRST FLOOR, SO BASICALLY YOU WERE GOING TO SEE THE TOWERING BUILDING UP ABOVE THE WAWA. I CAN GO THROUGH AND CHECK TO SEE IF THAT WAS JUST A REPRESENTATION WE PUT IN THERE FOR THERE, OR IF IT WAS ACTUALLY PULLED IN IN MODELED IN THERE. I WOULD BE THE SITE. IT GOES QUITE A BIT DOWN GRADE TO THE WW. SO PERHAPS MONTGOMERY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE AN ACTUAL VIEW OF THAT. ELEVATION. THAT POSSIBLE. HERE. UM AND IF YOU IF YOU IS THERE ANY WAY LIKE, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU LOSE IF YOU WENT BACK? I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING. I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE ASKING HIM TO AND I'M PLACING, FRANKLY, IN AN OBJECTION TO HIM HAVING TO ANSWERING A QUESTION IF HE DOESN'T HAVE A FACTUAL BASIS TO ANSWER IT, HE HAS A FACTUAL BASIS TO ANSWER IT. BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FACTS RELATED TO THE OLD BUILDING. THE OLD BUILDING DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE YOU SAID ON THE RECORD BEFORE I. I AGREE WITH YOU, I. I AGREE. I AGREE WITH YOUR OBJECTION. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. SHE HAS AN OBJECTION PENDING. SHE HAS AN OBJECTION. PENDING. YOU GOT TO STOP INTERRUPTING. I AGREE WITH YOUR OBJECTION. THANK YOU.THAT'S A MISTAKE. IF YOU TOOK AWAY HOW HOW DEEP ARE THE FAKE? WINDOWS. FRONT OF THE WINDOW AREAS THAT YOU LOOK IN. APPROXIMATELY 3 FT. SO YOU THERE'S SPACE THERE THAT YOU CAN TO YOU. YES YOU COULD GET THAT SPACE BACK. BUT YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE AESTHETIC OF THE
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BUILDING BECAUSE NOW THE WINDOWS ARE NO LONGER FAKE. THEY'RE EITHER GONE OR THEY'RE SPA OR POUND SO YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. BUILDING SMALLER THE MINIMAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD GAIN YOU, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY LOSE THE AESTHETIC OF THE BUILDING OF HAVING ANY KIND OF WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, AND I THINK PART OF WHAT THIS PROJECT FOR ME WAS WERE HERE LAST WE KEPT ASKING. OF ROCKY HILL. ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, AND WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT THEY THAT THE. COVERAGE WAS IN FACT REDUCED.THE COVERAGE IS NOT REDUCE. IT'S INCREASED. INTO THE BUILDING. FLOOR AREA IS YEAH, THAT JUST SO YOU RIGHT? JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I WENT OVER TO THE BOARD PLANNER, AND I ASKED HIM I ASKED HIM TO LOOK AT THE CHART. FROM HIS NOVEMBER. 22ND 2ND 2023 MEMO AND COMPARE IT TO THE CHART. ON THE MARCH 28TH MEMO. AND JAMES AND I DON'T WANNA TESTIFY. SO WHAT DOES YOUR CHART SAY ABOUT LOT COVERAGE. IN YOUR NOVEMBER. 22 2023 MEMO. IF THAT OLD LOT COVERAGE 58.8% WHAT DOES THE LOT COVERAGE THE PROPOSED LOT OF COVERAGE IN THE MARCH 28 2024 MEMO SAY 58.3% BUT I ASKED YOU OVER THERE, DIDN'T I ? THAT THAT'S A LOT COVERAGE. IT'S NOT BUILDING COVERAGE, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT HAS INCREASED OR DECREASED. VERSUS PAVEMENT INCREASING OR DECREASING. AND WHAT DID YOU SAY TO ME? I SAID. THE REDUCTION IN LOT COVERAGE.
COMES FROM CLOSING THAT SECOND DRIVEWAY, SO THE ORIGINALLY THERE WERE TWO CURB CUTS PROPOSED. THEY'VE NOW CLOSED THE CURB CUT THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE EAST, AND THEY'VE TURNED THAT INTO. IT'S GREENERY NOW, AND SO THERE IS THAT'S THE REDUCTION IN LOT COVERAGE. BUT DID YOU CHECK? I KNOW THE ARCHITECTS HAS ALREADY AGREED TO CHECK ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE OF THE BUILDINGS, WHETHER IT'S INCREASED OR DECREASED, BUT YOU DIDN'T CHECK THAT CORRECT. NO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CHECKED, BUT HE, BUT THE ARCHITECT SAYS HE WILL CHECK THAT. ANYONE ELSE? MY HEARING NONE. CHAIRMAN. I DO HAVE QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT THAT HE DRAG THINGS OUT. UM CAN YOU GO? I GUESS BACK UP ONE RENDERING. I THINK NUMBER TWO IS THE CORRECT ONE. IS THE MONUMENT SIGN SHOWN IN THIS RENDERING. I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS, BUT I THINK IF WE WOULD HAVE IT WE HAD IT ON THE ELEVATION. THE ELEVATION SHOWS IT RIGHT IN THAT LOCATION. UH, THE MONUMENT. SIGN THE MONUMENT SIGN. NO, I DO NOT HAVE THE MONUMENT ON SHOW. WE DID NOT RENDER THAT AT THIS POINT. WHERE IS THAT? MY ULTIMATE CONCERN IS HOW VISIBLE IS THE MONUMENT SIGN? WITH ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING IN PLACE. I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT FROM THE SIMPLE ENGINEER, BUT WE CAN WE CAN MODEL IT AND DROP IT IN THERE. THAT WAS MY ONLY REMAINING QUESTION FOR AND IT WAS. IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH. SO IS THE ANSWER THAT YOU'LL PROVIDE THAT WE'LL WE'LL GET IT FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEER. I WANNA MAKE SURE I GET THE LATEST CORRECT LOCATION.
WE'LL GET IT SHOWN ON ENDS. THE BOARD. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT? SO WE'LL HAVE THE CIVIL ENGINEER COME BACK. SURE. YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT. BEFORE THAT I WAS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THEY DO INCLUDE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON BOTH PLANS. CAN YOU READ THEM? BUT THEN WE'LL WE'LL GET HER QUESTION ANSWERED TONIGHT AND SAVE HIM FROM ONE OF THE LIST OF THINGS HE'S AGREED TO DO. OKAY? UM SO THIS IS FOR THE PRIMARY, LARGER BUILDING. AND I'M SPEAKING TO THE AUGUST 14TH VERSION OF THE PLAN. AUGUST 14TH 2023 AUGUST 14 2023. I'M GOING TO SAY THE BIG BUILDING. YES.
FIRST FLOOR FOOTPRINT IS 37,745 SQUARE FEET. BUT THE 2ND AND 3RD STORY AT THAT TIME, THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT SO THIS IS GONNA BE THE OVERHANGS EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 42,757 SQUARE. OK, INTERESTING. SO THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT IS 37 745. BUT WITH THE OVERHANG THE CALL IT IT'S
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NOT A FOOTPRINT. IT'S COVERAGE BUILT IN COVER, RIGHT? JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE PREVIOUS DESIGN ALSO HAD THE DRIVE THROUGH SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT DRIVE THROUGH IS PART OF THE FLOOR. SO THAT MIGHT ALSO MAKE UP CAUSE THAT'S QUITE A LARGE DIFFERENCE. WE'RE TALKING 5000. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? THAT'S NOT DON'T DO IT. LET HIM COME BACK. AND THE CALCULATION THANK YOU FOR TRYING A FOR EFFORT. RIGHT. SO YOU SURE? OH, YEAH. YEAH I THINK, UH, IT'S GOOD, JOE. FIVE MINUTE OR BIO BREAK. WE ARE GONNA BE C, UH, FINISHING AT, UH, 10 O'CLOCK, SO WE ONLY HAVE 32 MINUTES LEFT. BUT I MEAN, YEAH, LET'S DO A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. Y ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UM YEAH. YOU HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT, UM, REQUIRE ANSWERS. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU NEED RUSH, NO RUSH. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BIG BUILDING AND THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL HOUSE? WAS 86 FT BETWEEN THE EASTERN SIDE WALL OF THE BIG BUILDING AND THE CORNER OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE 86 FT.ANOTHER QUESTION. I BELIEVE. OOPS. SORRY. NO, I SAID THANK YOU. UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I BELIEVE WAS FROM YOUR BOARD TRAFFIC ENGINEER. WHAT WAS THE WIDTH OF THE LOADING ZONE THAT IS THE DIAGONAL WHITE SHAPED SPACE IN FRONT OF THE 16 DRIVE UP UNITS THAT IS 15 FT THAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR A CAR TO PARALLEL PARK NEXT TO THOSE UNITS. THIRD QUESTION WAS ABOUT LOCK COVERAGE AND BUILDING COVERAGES FROM THE LAST REVISION OF THE DRAWINGS. YES WE ARE REDUCING ON SITE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE A LITTLE MORE FROM THE LAST ROUND. AND, YES, YOU BELIEVE YOUR BOARD PLANNER WAS ACCURATE IN SAYING THAT WAS DUE TO THE REMOVAL OF THE SECOND DRIVEWAY. THE FOOTPRINTS OF BOTH BUILDINGS ARE SLIGHTLY LARGER BECAUSE OF AGAIN WHAT YOUR PROFESSIONALS DID, WHILE POINTING OUT THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE INSIDE OF THE BIG BUILDING IS ELIMINATED. SO NOW THERE ARE UNITS THERE. IN THE SMALLER BUILDING THAT IS TO THE WEST. THAT IS NOW A LARGER FOOTPRINT AND TWO STORIES. SO YES, THE TOTAL FA R HAS BEEN REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE BUILDING HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY INCREASED DUE TO THE CONFIGURATION OF BUILDINGS.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU GIVE US DETAIL ON A SLIGHTLY LARGER. WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? NO, CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. BIG BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 1500 SQUARE FEET LARGER.
ONE MORE MOMENT FOR THIS SMALL BUILDING. THESE SMALL BUILDING ORIGINALLY WAS 9900 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS NOW 11 400. IF YOU GIVE US THE INCREASE ON THAT. WITH THE ARITHMETIC, PLEASE. I MEAN, ONE MORE MOMENT. I'M SORRY. SORRY I. I DID IT BY HAND. SO YOU GET THE KIND OF 1500 SQUARE FEET SO BOTH THE BIG BUILDING AND THE SMALL BUILDING EACH HAVE HAD THEIR FOOTPRINTS INCREASED BY 1500 SQUARE FEET. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. QUESTION FOUR. QUESTION FOUR. I BELIEVE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM BREEDING AND LANDSCAPING. AND, YES, I CAN TESTIFY TO THE FACT THAT THE GRADING PLAN HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE DRAINAGE BUT ALSO WILL CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE PARCEL. OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE MAYBE MISSED. THE MONUMENTS, A LOCATION OF THE MONUMENTS. GREAT QUESTION. LISA. THE MONUMENT SIGN IS LOCATED. CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY. THAT IS ON 518. IT IS THE BLUE LINE HERE IT IS FULLY CONFORMING WITH YOUR SIGNAGE ORDINANCE ON HEIGHT, SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SETBACK TO THE ROADWAY. AND UH, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION. I BELIEVE THIS WAS, UH, TESTIFIED TO IN THE JANUARY HEARING BUT ABOUT FENCING. ON THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. AT THIS TIME. THERE IS NO PROPOSAL FOR A FENCING. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. THERE ARE THERE IS EXISTING FENCING TODAY AROUND THE EPA TRAILER SITE. AND THERE IS NO OTHER FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME. MR CHAIRMAN. I'M SORRY. YES, I CERTAINLY JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FOR MR SEAL? YES. UM, FIRST
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REGARDING THE SIGN. I THINK THE QUESTION UH, WE HAD WAS THE VISIBILITY OF THAT SIGN AT 20 FT WITH THE LANDSCAPING, THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED LANDSCAPING JOSH IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT? THE YEAH. IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT NOW YOU CAN. YOU CAN ANSWER THAT NEXT TIME, BUT THAT THAT WAS A YOU CAN ANSWER IT NOW SO LISTEN, IT A VERY WELL LANDSCAPED PLAN.THERE'S HUNDREDS OF PLANTINGS ON THERE, ESPECIALLY ON THE FRONTAGE. IT WILL NOT BE A BIG GRASS OPEN LINE OF SIGHT. THERE ARE VARIOUS PLANTINGS. BUT AS YOU ARE TRAVELING DOWN THE ROAD THERE IN BETWEEN THE GAPS OF THE LARGER TALLER TREES AND THE LOWER LYING SHRUBS. YOU'LL SEE THE IP. BUT YEAH, IT'LL BE BLOCKED AWAY ALONG THE WAY. BASED ON ALL THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE INTERLOCKING ALONG THE SITE. GREAT AND THEN TWO OTHER BONUS QUESTIONS, WHICH WERE WHICH WEREN'T ASKED. BUT SINCE YOU'RE UP HERE, UM WITH REGARD TO GRADING ALONG THE FRONTAGE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES. IT APPEARS, UH, THAT THAT THE EASTERNMOST PIN OAKS. UH THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF GREAT CHANGE THERE. UH WOULD YOU CONSIDER PERHAPS MODIFYING THE GRADING? SO YOU? YOU DON'T HAVE THE CUT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THOSE TREES ARE GONNA SURVIVE WITH THE WITH THE CUT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A CT ALONG THE ROADWAY TO MAYBE SKINNY UP AND MOVE THOSE CONTOURS CLOSE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO THAT, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A 2 FT CUT.
THERE'S I DON'T THINK THOSE I AGREE WITH THAT. AND THERE'S TYPICAL, UM, CONSTRUCTION FENCE AROUND THE DRIP LINE WITH EXISTING TREES. IT'S VERY COMMON TYPICALLY HAVE THOSE IN THEIR CONSTRUCTION DETAILS. MAKE SURE THOSE TREES ARE PROTECTED AND MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. THEN UH, THE OTHER QUESTION, ACTUALLY, IN OUR MEMO, UH AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED EARLIER THE SIDEWALK FROM THE SMALLER BUILDING. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE FROM THAT SIDE ENTRANCE? THE SADDLE GOING OUT TO THE ROAD? IT SEEMS KIND OF GOOD QUESTION. SEEMS KIND OF WEIRD. WE WILL BE. WE WILL BE RELOCATING THAT SIDEWALK. SO THIS IS A TIMING SITUATION WHERE WE NEEDED TO FILE PLANS. CIVIL DRAWINGS GO IN ARCHITECTURAL R. THE RINGS COME IN A LITTLE LATER . THAT DOOR IS ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF AN EXIT DOOR. WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT SIDEWALK. AND WE A RE GONNA RELOCATE IT TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY TO ALIGN WITH THE FRONT OFFICE, WHICH I THINK IS THE BETTER LOCATION. OK, THAT MAKES MORE AND THEN YOU'LL JUST HAVE THE THAT EXIT DOOR. PERHAPS EITHER A PAD OR A SIDEWALK DIRECTED INTERNAL. MAYBE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ARE ARE THERE ANY OTHER DIFFERENCES TO THIS PLAN, IF DONE IN SUCH A RUSHED FASHION I. I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS A RUSH FASHION, I WOULD YOU JUST SAID IT WAS A TIMING ISSUE. TIMING IN REGARDS TO WHEN WE DO THE RENDERING VERSUS THE PLAN SET, SO DO THE PLAN SET AND THEN YOU END UP COLORING IT AND MAKING IT A PRETTIER FOR PRESENTATION PURPOSES SO THE ONLY THING I'M DOING IS TAKING THE SIDEWALK ON THE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, MOVING IT TO THE RIGHT. YOU THE RIGHT PERSON TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION IF YOU HAVE THE MONUMENT SIGN PRESUMABLY SO FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY SO PEOPLE COULD SEE WHY DO YOU NEED THAT UGLY SIGN ON THE BUILDING? I WOULD SAY THAT THE BUILDING SIGN IS COMPLIANT WITH YOUR ORDINANCE. I UNDERSTAND IT COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE. IF IT WAS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ASK. I COULD ASK, BUT YOU WOULD CORRECTLY SHUT ME DOWN, BUT SINCE THE NEGATIVE CRITERION HERE AND PART OF THIS WHOLE THING IS AESTHETICS. WHY DOES THAT SIGN HAVE TO BE THERE OTHER THAN ADVERTISING? THE CIVIL ENGINEER. I WILL SIMPLY SAY THAT IT IS COMMON FOR ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL FACILITY TO HAVE A BUILDING IDENTIFICATION SIGN OVER THE OFFICE LOCATION. SO EVEN IF YOU ARE ON SITE, ESPECIALLY WITH A UNIFORM LOOKING BUILDING OF TWO STRUCTURES THAT SIGN OVER, THE OFFICE TELLS THE CUSTOMERS AND PATRONS WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS OK, BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S NEEDED FOR SAFETY. I'M NO, MY NO. MY COMMENT WAS BUILDING IDENTIFICATION OF THE OFFICE. SO RIGHT, UM I'LL JUST LEAVE IT A T THAT. I. I DON'T HAVE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER. MIGHT BE. IT'S 945. IT MIGHT BE A GOOD BREAK POINT BECAUSE YOU'VE NOW ANSWERED. THE QUESTIONS THAT THE ARCH THAT COULDN'T ANSWER. THE ARCHITECT HAS ALREADY AGREED TO SUPPLY A BUNCH OF DOCUMENTATION THAT VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ASKED THEM TO. SO RATHER THAN START A NEW WITNESS. GET A NEW DATE CONTINUATION DATE. HAVE A QUICK. RIGHT IN THAT MICROPHONE. YES, AT THE LAST PRESENTATION. HAD WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE A WALKWAY. TAKING YOU TO A SHOP, RIGHT? AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION WE HEARD FROM SHOPRITE ATTORNEY ABOUT DRIVEWAY. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINAL IDEA, AND IS THAT
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STILL IN PLAY? IT ABSOLUTELY STILL IS IN PLACE, SIR. UM I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE ATTORNEY THERE. I. I THINK THEY WERE LOOKING FOR MORE THAN A PEDESTRIAN. SO OUR PLAN DID NOT WANT TO CONTEMPLATE SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBOR, BUT I CAN REPRESENT IN SPEAKING WITH MY CLIENT IN THE APPLICANT, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE BOARD AND THE PROFESSIONALS ON THE BEST LOCATION WHERE YOU ALL FEEL SUITED FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THE ROADWAY THROUGH OUR SITE. DO THE SHOPPING CENTER. HOWEVER I MUST ADVISE YOU, SIR, THAT THERE IS AD GRADE DROP OFF. AND ANYTHING WE DO PAST THE PROPERTY LINE. WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME APPROVAL ON AGREEMENT FROM OUR NEIGHBOR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CONSTRUCT, MAINTAIN AND DO OTHER THINGS ON THE PROPERTY. MY SUGGESTION IS YOU GUYS SHOULD HUDDLE UP WITH THE NEIGHBOR. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN WITH SOMETHING, DON'T TRY TO GET THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS TO NEGOTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTY. THAT WAS NOT MY, BUT IF YOU GUYS CAN REACH AN AGREEMENT ON SOMETHING YOU WANT, THEN PROPOSE, THEN THE BOARD WILL LOOK AT IT. BUT I DON'T WANT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING THE BOARD. IT'S NOT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME, SIR. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ON. I UNDERSTAND, BUT JUST IT'S IN. THE RECORD IF THE PUBLIC WANT TO SEE THERE WERE SOME EMAILS FLYING BACK AND FORTH YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND TO BE FAIR. WE DID REVIEW THE UH, WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY. THE VEHICULAR PLAN. UH, YOU KNOW, I. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO READ INTO THE RECORD. MY LEGAL OPINION IS THE NEIGHBOR CAN INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT PLAN AS EITHER PART OF CROSS EXAMINATION OF THE ENGINEERING EXPERT LIKE HE DID.UM OR HE COULD OFFER IT AS A PROPOSED CONDITION AS PART OF THE OBJECTORS ARE INTERESTED PARTY CASE IF HE WANTED TO, IF HE THOUGHT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO BE INCLINED TO GRANT THIS AND IF I SAID IF THE BOARD THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA, THE BOARD CAN IMPOSE IT AS A CONDITION. BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE IMPOSED, AND IT'S A CONDITION IT INVOLVES IMPROVEMENTS ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I'M PART OF THE APPLICATION. AND THE BOARD UNDER THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW, NJS A 4055 D DASH 48 B. AND REQUIRE CHANGES AND IF THE CHANGES ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THEY'D HAVE TO BE A NEW NOTICE THAT COULD AMEND THE APPLICATION TO INCLUDE ANOTHER PROPERTY. THE OTHER PROPERTY COULD FILE AN APPLICATION AND ASK THAT THE THING BE CONSOLIDATED. BUT I DON'T WANT THE BOARD. DOING ANYTHING UNLESS AND UNTIL THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS COME TO SOME AGREEMENT IF THEY DO AND PROPOSE SOMETHING. I DON'T WANT THE BOARD TO CONSIDER SOMETHING JUST AS A AS A CONCEPT THAT MIGHT NOT COME TO FRUITION. AND WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT WE AGAIN WE JUST RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY. JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THE FEASIBILITY OF EITHER PARTICULAR OR PEDESTRIAN. UM THREE WAY. SO WHAT'S PRESENT THAT I WAS PLAYING. THE PLANET IS PRESENTED TONIGHT IS A PLAN THAT IS PRESENTED THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S ANY AMENDMENTS, UH OR THE SHOP RIGHT CENTER NEEDS TO PROPOSE THEIR OWN AMENDED, SO I PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WITHIN THE UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE MLUL. YEAH, BUT YOU REALIZE THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT THAT JAMES READ. SO YOU HAVE TO. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YES, CERTAINLY THERE WERE THERE WOULD BE EITHER A VARIANCE. OR WE I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A WAIVER REQUEST THAT, UM, I IF THAT NEEDS TO BE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THE MONTH OR SO WE ONLY HAVE TIME TO SIT DOWN WITH THE NEIGHBOR. NO II. I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW HIM. UH, YOU TO ASK A QUESTION. YOU'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY. COME ON UP. COME ON UP YOU THAT'S THE ONE. THE ONE RAISING YOUR HAND. YEAH. THE SECURITY FENCE AND THE GATE.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION. HE ANSWERED THAT, BUT ANSWER IT AGAIN. NO, THERE IS NO SECURITY FENCE OR PROPOSED GATE. THERE ARE SECURITY CAMERAS ON THE BUILDINGS. IS THAT ENOUGH? POSING ANY SECURITY GATE? NOTHING THERE. NO WHATSOEVER. WE'RE A PERIMETER. WE ARE NOT FOR SECURITY, JUST CAMERAS. CAMERAS CORRECT. THANK YOU. WHEN IS THE NEXT ON THIS AND AGAIN NOT TO NOT TO MAKE THE BOARD HAVE TO MEET TWICE A MONTH BUT AGAIN I SUGGESTION IN LIGHT OF THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AND THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED A NUMBER OF WITNESSES THEY HAVE. THAT UM IF THE BOARD HAS TWO MEETINGS A MONTH, IT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED THAT MAYBE YOU'D HAVE AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS. SO I THINK YOU SCHEDULE ALL THE REGULAR APPLICATIONS. ONE OF THE MEETINGS ON THE MONTH AND YOU TAKE THE OTHER. MEETING AND DEVOTED TO THE HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION. SO WHAT KIND OF DATES ARE WE LOOKING AT? THIS WOULD GO TO APRIL 25TH. AND IF I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE AGENDA IF THERE IS ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS ON THE, UH 23RD OF THE 23RD IS, UH, POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE. IT'S 29. NOW I HAVE TWO AT LEAST TWO
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APPLICATIONS ON THE 23RD. THE 23RD IS PASSOVER THAT'S GOING TO BE I THOUGHT WE I THOUGHT WE STRUCK THAT. THEN DO WE KNOW IN OUR INITIAL REORGANIZATION MEETING. I DON'T THINK SO. WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE? THAT HAS TO BE SCHEDULED? BECAUSE I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THE 23 BE CANCELED. WE CARRIED ON TUESDAY NIGHT WE CARRIED STELLA AND THOMAS TO THE 23RD. NO. WELL. I CAN GET SOMEONE TO FILL IN FOR ME. BUT IF BOARD MEMBERS CAN'T THEN MAYBE YOU JUST GET A BEAR, I I'D SAY WE MOVED THIS APPLICATION UNTIL UNTIL MAY. I MEAN, WE HAVE WE HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THE THING. WE ARE GOING TO CANCEL IT ON THE 23RD PUT IT THIS WAY. YOU HAVE A BEAR QUORUM ON THE 23RD TO CARRY THOSE TWO TELL THEM AHEAD OF TIME BUT TO CARRY THEM FROM THE 23RD TO THE 25TH. AND THEN WHAT'S WHAT'S MAY LOOK LIKE. I ONLY HAVE ONE MEANING IN MAY BECAUSE OF OH, NO, I'M SORRY WE COULD DO MAY 23RD. WHAT ARE THE TWO MEETINGS? TWO MEETINGS ARE MAY 23RD OR MAY 28TH. AND IF IT DOES GET CARRIED TO MAY THEN THERE WON'T BE A BIG RUSH TO GET THINGS. TIME EITHER. AND THE ARCHITECT JUST VOLUNTEERED AND AGREED TO GET A BUNCH OF STUFF IN SO WHAT'S THE TIME WITHIN WHICH THE BOARD HAS TO ACT ON THIS APPLICATION MAY 31ST OKAY, SO LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT TO EXTEND THE TIME TO DECIDE THE APPLICATION. TO JULY, 30TH. AND CONTINUE THAT APPLICATION THIS APPLICATION WITHOUT NEED FOR NOTICE. TO MAY 23 BECAUSE MAY 28 IS GOING TO GET CLOSE. TO, UM IF THEY HAVE THAT AT LEAST TWO DATES SPOKEN IN MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. OK, SO WHICH DO YOU WHICH DO YOU GUYS RATHER HAVE NATE? IT'S MAY 23RD RIGHT. MAY 23RD IS THE FOURTH THURSDAY. MAY 28TH IS THE FOURTH TUESDAY. SO IT'S UH FIVE THURSDAY. YEAH, SO CAN YOU EXTEND THE TIME THE BOARD HAS TO DECIDE UNTIL JULY 30TH. BUT IT'S OBVIOUS THIS IS NOT GOING TO YOU HAVE A COUPLE HEARINGS MORE ON THIS IN THE APPLICATION GETS CARRIED TO MAY 23RD WITHOUT NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE. UH, THAT THAT'S FINE. UM CHERRY. I ASSUME THEN THE BOARD CANCEL THE APRIL 23RD MEETING. BUT WE HAVE THESE TWO APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY CARRIED WITHOUT NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE. FELLER WAS A QUESTION MARK WHETHER THEY NEED A NOTICE, BUT THEY GOT TO RENO. MAYBE NOT. I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCY ABOUT WHETHER THOSE LOTS ARE ALL INCLUDED OR NOT, SO THEY HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT THOMAS WAS THERE. A SHOW OF HANDS ARE THERE FOUR MEMBERS WHO COULD SHOW UP WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ARE ANY D VARIANCES FOR THOSE TWO APPLICATIONS, OR ARE THEY? THEY'RE SAYING WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS WHO WOULD VOLUNTEER TO SHOW UP ON APRIL 23RD JUST TO CARRY THOSE APPLICATIONS TO APRIL 25. 234 OK? TRUE, THAT'S AD FOUR. THE STELLAR LAND USE RIGHT? YOU SAID, YEAH. BEFORE. THANK YOU, AND WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS. WE'RE WILLING TO SHOW UP ON APRIL 23RD. AND 12. 45 I HAVE THREE WHO ARE MISSING TONIGHT WHO MAY BE ABLE TO COME I. I YEAH, I. I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH IT FOR CALL THE APPLICANTS TO TELL THEM BUT GUYS CONTROL WITHOUT ME. I WON'T BE THERE HERE. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. CAR TO MEET THE 20 TO CARRY THOSE TWO TO APRIL. 25. AND I. I JUST SO THIS HEARING WILL BE CARRIED TO 528 WILL EXTEND. UH, IT'S GONNA BE CARRIED TO 523. IS CAN WE DO? IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT TO A 528? OR YOU'D RATHER DO MAY 28TH RATHER THAN MAY. 23 YES. OK? WE FIGURED YOU'D WANT AN EARLIER DATE. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. OK SO THE HEARING IN THIS APPLICATION IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO MAY 28 WITH NO NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE. AND SHERRY. YOU CAN DECIDE IF YOU NEED MAY 23RD, BUT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT THAT IN APRIL, 25TH. HEY. UM WE DO HAVE THE MEETING ON THE, UH AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A MEETING ON THE APRIL 29TH. BUT THAT IS THE SPECIAL ZONING BOARD MEETING FOR TRAINING. UM, SINCE THE YEAR STARTED. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING? THANKS, MIKE. A* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.