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UH TO THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD. UH, THIS MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP IN SOMERSET, NEW JERSEY. THIS IS OUR REGULAR MEETING. UH TODAY IS MARCH 26TH. TIME IS NOW 7 P.M. SO THE ZONING BOARD'S INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. UH, UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS, ACT NOTICE AND TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL? PLEASE HERE? ROSENTHAL ABU LISOVSKY. SW WOOD BRONZE. URBANSKI SHAW META DRILL . CLA VALLEY BARTONE. ARGY.
THANK YOU. UH AND MR ABU ZABI ACTUALLY ASKED FOR AN EXCUSED ATTENDANT, SO HE HE'S HE'S GOOD TO BE EXCUSED. ALL RIGHT. UH, SHRI, CAN YOU LEAD US INTO TO THE FLAG, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT, UH, FIRST STEP OF EVER MEETING IS PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, BUT I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE. THIS IS FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA. SO IF YOU HAVE GENERAL COMMENTS, UM ABOUT, UH, BUSINESS BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD, UH PLEASE. UH YOU CAN SPEAK TO HIM NOW. UH, USUALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY WE DON'T HAVE ANY TODAY. UH ALL
[IV. APPLICATION CONTINUATION TO APRIL 23, 2024 ZONING BOARD MEETING ]
RIGHT. SO UH, WE WILL FIRST START OFF WITH APPLICATIONS THAT WERE CONTINUED. UM UH, THAT WILL BE CONTINUED TO THE APRIL 23RD TO 2023 MEETING. UH, OF THE ZONING BOARD. NO FURTHER NOTICE IS REQUIRED FOR EITHER OF THESE ONE AT A TIME, BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE SECOND APPLICATION. STELLAR YEAH , THAT'S GREAT. SO THE FIRST WAS CASE BAT 09 23. THE APPLICANT WAS MR GEORGE THOMAS. THIS IS BLOCK 30001 LOT 16.13 OR 26 BLUE HERON WAY. SO WAS A BULK VARIANT TO PREVENT 20. 7.2 LOT COVERAGE WHEN 15% IS ALLOWED. THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPLICATION IS MAY 1ST 2024. UM DID YOU SAY IT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THAT? FIRST ONE, THOMAS. THAT ONE CLEARLY CONTINUED TO APRIL 23 LIKE YOU SAID NO NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE.SECOND ONE STELLAR. THAT'S APPLICATION NUMBER 623. ACCORDING TO MIKE AND JAMES.
FEBRUARY. 26 2024 MEMO. THERE IS A THIRD LOT THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS NOT SECOND. RIGHT. THEY WEREN'T ON THE ACTUAL APPLICATION. AND I SPOKE TO THE I CALLED THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY TODAY TO SEE IF THE NOTICE HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO THOSE LOTS. HE WASN'T SURE. THEREFORE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED TO BE CONTINUED, AND YOU CONTINUE, THEN THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT AN ANNOUNCEMENT BE MADE THAT THERE'S NO NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE. THEY MAY HAVE TO RENO. RENO IT BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, UH IN THE MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS THAT ARE PART OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH ARE NOT NOW LISTED IN THE APPLICATION AND APPLICANT ATTORNEY AT LEAST TODAY WASN'T SURE WHETHER OR NOT 200 FLIERS AROUND THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS WERE NOTIFIED. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT'S FINE, SO THE AFFIRMATION CASE, B A 623 STELLAR LAND ASSETS. LLC UM THIS IS A MAJOR SITE PLAN TO USE V TO CONVERT TWO EXISTING BANKS, TWO STORY OFFICE BUILDINGS TO A NEW AUTOMOBILE SALES AND SERVICE FACILITY. THIS IS ON ROUTE, UH TO A SIX. THE ADDRESS IS 1045 BLOCK 35 001 LOT 15. SO THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THAT APPLICATION. IS IT AS ZEN WAS? MAY 28TH THEY DON'T HAVE TO NOTICE. BUT THEY MAY HAVE TO BECAUSE OF, UM THE I GUESS DISAGREEMENTS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT IS NOTICEABLE. CORRECT? YEAH. OK, RIGHT. RIGHT UH, THE NEXT IS THE CONTINUATION. UM UH,
[V. APPLICATIONS ]
FOR AN APPLICATION THAT WE HEARD LAST MONTH. UM THE CASE IS B A ATTACKED 0323 THE APPLE. UH, THE APPLICATE WAS TO, UH KUBIN, UH, THE BLOCK 24 001 LOTS 37. UH, THIS IS EIGHT ROUTE 518 BULK VARIANTS APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON AN UNDERSIZED LOT.[00:05:05]
UH, THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPLICATION IS MAY 1ST 2024 AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION REQUIRED AND PREVIOUSLY FOUND TO BE IN ORDER THAT THAT'S TRUE THIS TIME. YEAH THAT'S GREAT, THIS ONE RECALLS. MR SCHATZ, WHEN YOU WANT TO ENTER YOUR APPEARANCE FOR THE RECORD OK? SHOTS. MAN ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT AND OWNER IS THE APPLICANT HERE, I NOTICED THERE. YEAH HERE OUT TO SEE IF ONE OF THEIR EXPERTS YEAH, MY PLANNER IS NOT HERE. BUT I. I COULD START WITH THE DAL VERSUS LACEY. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE AT THE END OF THE FEBRUARY SEVEN. HEARING SESSION, THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE THE METRICS OF THE HOUSE SIZES FOR THE VN ZONE. THEY WERE GONNA BRING SOME EXHIBIT. TO SHOW THAT AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT UNDER THE DALMER CASE. MR SCHATZMAN HAS SINCE SENT OUT LETTERS WITH THE OFFERS TO SELL, AND I THINK HE WANTS TO ENTER THESE AS EXHIBITS. I'VE REVIEWED THEM ONCE HE IDENTIFIES WHERE THEY ARE. THESE IN MY OPINION, WILL INDU SATISFY THE DME? UM, GUIDELINES. GOOD. UH SO AS MR DI, UH, DRILL SAID. I DID THE LETTERS. AND WE OBTAINED UH, APPRAISAL. FIRST OF ALL FOR THE DAY OF THE WATCH. AS IF ALL THE VIRUSES WERE GRANTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CASE LAW, THE NASH CASE THE OTHER CASES THAT FOLLOW IT. UM AND BY CERTIFIED MAIL. AND REGULAR MAIL. TO FOUR CONTIGUOUS LANDS TO THE SUBJECT. WELL, TWO ON EITHER SIDE. WHICH, INCIDENTALLY HERE AND ALL THE LOTS SURROUNDING IT ARE ALL ON THE SIDE. ESPECIALLY THE ONES ON AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS IF YOU LOOK AT THE UM, ONES ON, UM UH, PROVINCE WINE ROAD. THEY'RE WAY UNDERSIZED. THEY'RE ALL UNDERSIZED AND THE FOUR LOTS THAT I DID, TOO. ON, UM PROVINCE LINE ROAD. AND ONE ON, UM UH, BETWEEN THE SUBJECT LOT AND MORRIS COURT, WHICH IS A SUBDIVISION I DID YEARS AGO FOR BRYCE THOMPSON'S ESTATE. WHICH SO THAT THAT LAW ALSO IS UNDERSIZED, ALTHOUGH NOT BY, NOT BY MUCH, BUT MAYBE AN ACRE OR A HALF AN ACRE. AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER TWO ARE ON THE TOP. ON PROVINCE LINE ROW, ONE TIPS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE OTHER ONE. FROM AN OLD UM UH, CERTIFIED LIST. I GOT SAID. ONE WAS SEVEN MORSE GROVE COURT AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THREE. UH AND THEN, SO I SENT IT TO BOTH. UH, AND THE LETTERS. YOU. I'LL READ THEM IN THE RECORD AGAIN. WHY DON'T YOU RE REALLY SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE, UH I REALLY SHOULD TALK ABOUT THE APPRAISAL. I HAD MARY GROSSO DO THE APPRAISAL. MARY GROSSO IS THE WIFE OF RICHARD M GROSSO JUNIOR. AND THE DAUGHTER IN LAW. OF RICHARD M, GROSSO, GROSSO, HOLMES. UH I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU THE BOARD MEMBERS REMEMBER, UH, ON THEIR NAMES OF COLONIAL BUILDERS. PR S BUILDING. UM AND RCT DEVELOPERS DEVELOPED MANY MANY HOUSES IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. WES FERGUS STATE 1234 AND FIVE HIDDEN THE STATES. UH, GRACEFUL ESTATES. UM AND LOTS HERE AND THERE AND DEVELOP H. HUNDREDS OF HOMES SHEDS A PERSON WHO IS A BROKER WITH QUEENSTON REALTY. SHE KNOWS FROM HER HUSBAND AND HER AND HER FATHER IN LAW. A LOT OF THINGS IN MONTGOMERY, AND SHE DOES A LOT OF WHAT? UM, NO. NONE OF THE WHERE PEOPLE YOU SENT THE LETTERS TO CONTACTED YOU? NO NONE OF THEM, NONE OF THEM. NONE OF THEM, THEREFORE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING OFFERED IN MY OPINION IS NOT AN ISSUE. THE BOARD CAN ASSUME THAT THE VALUATION IS CORRECT, AND I THINK ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD. YOU ALREADY SUBMITTED THE LETTERS. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMIT A MINUTE I'LL READ A TYPICAL LETTER. EXCUSE ME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE LETTER[00:10:04]
FOR THE RECORD, JUST READ WHO THEY WERE ADDRESSED TO. AND THE LATIN BLOCK. ALL RIGHT, OK. ALL RIGHT. THE, UH. ONE WAS RA RASHI . KAREN DAR THREE, MS COURT UH, SKILLMAN. AND THAT WAS, UH UH, HAVE TO GET THE MAP. I TELL YOU WHAT YOU AND THE OTHER ONE WAS CATHERINE. SAMURAI. THE OTHER ONE WAS REN YI. AND IN THAT TT HOU. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS DAVID MIRANDA AND SHARON JAY. 387 PROVINCE ROAD. UH SROD WAS FOUR ROUTE 518. AND YE WAS SEVEN MOORS GROVE COURT. THE FOUR LETTERS I WROTE THE T. LETTER TO KAREN DEAR, DATED MARCH, 18 2024 IS GOING TO BE EXHIBIT A THREE.THE LETTER TO ID. MARCH, 14. 2024 IS GONNA BE EXHIBIT. A FOUR THE LETTER TO Y AND Z DATED 314.
2024 IS GONNA BE EXHIBIT FIVE. AND THE LETTER TO MY READER. SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCED THAT ALSO DATED 3 1420 24 IS GOING TO BE EXHIBIT A SIX. OK OK AND AGAIN. NOBODY CONTACTED US AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE RECORD. I WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE RECORD THAT THE LETTER FORM OF LETTER WAS G. FROM COX'S BOOK. THAT MR DRILL. EDITS EVERY YEAR OF THE LETTER HERE IS EXCELLENT. CAME FROM APPENDIX ROOM IN NUMERAL FIVE AND I. I DID IT TO COMPLY WITH THE, UM WITH THE FACTS OF THIS OF THIS CASE AND AGAIN, MY OPINION FOR THE RECORD IS THESE FOUR LETTERS SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CASE LAW AND YOU DID NOT GET RESPONSES TO CERTIFIED OR THE REGULAR MAILING. NO ONE CALLED YOU. NO ONE. NO ONE CALLED ME NO REMAINING ISSUE. THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE AN EXHIBIT OR SOMETHING. SHOWING THE METRICS OF THE HOUSE SIZE THE MR UH, MY CLIENT CALLED. HE'S ON HIS WAY. WHAT DID HE SAY? OH, HERE HE IS. YOU'RE THE MAN OF THE HOUR, JOHN. YEAH, WE'RE FINISHED, SO WHERE ARE YOU IN? AND WE'LL HEAR THE FACTS ON HOW YOU MADE YOUR REPORT. OK? WANT TO BE SWORN IN BY MR DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM? FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? HI THERE, EVERYONE, SO I'M LATE. JOHN MCDONAGH, MC CAPITAL DONOUGH, AND I AM THE PROJECT PLANNER. YOU ARE A AND AN A IC P. CORRECT, CORRECT CURRENT AND A GOOD STANDING. YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TONIGHT WILL BE THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. YES, I DO. WHY DON'T YOU QUALIFY YOURSELF, MR MCDONOUGH, W? WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION AND WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF YOUR EDUCATION? SO I'M A LICENSED PROFESSION PLANNER HERE IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. THAT LICENSE IS CURRENTLY GOOD STANDING. MY EDUCATION COMES FROM RUTGERS, AND I HAVE THE GOOD FORTUNE OF GETTING TO DO THIS EVERY NIGHT. THROUGHOUT THE STATE. NORTH SOUTH EAST WEST HAVE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES. DID THE, UH THE PIPE THE, UH MONTGOMERY PROMENADE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. WE WILL ACCEPT YOU, THOUGH. WITNESS. THANK YOU. UM, YOU CAN SEE IT IF YOU WANT. HE CAN SIT IF HE WANTS. YOU GOTTA SPEAK IT TO THE MICROPHONE. THE MRS CRUZ TO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE MICROPHONES ARE SET UP. YOU GOT TO SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE. ALL RIGHT, UM Y. SO YOU'VE YOU VISIT THE SITE. AND YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY OBVIOUSLY, AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT WORKS IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. AM I CORRECT? CORRECT YES, I AM. ALL RIGHT. THE LAST MEETING WHEN YOU, UH MY COLLEAGUE WAS HERE.
MISTER FLYNN. THE BOARD IS BECAUSE MR FLYNN TESTIFIED, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU AND MR FLYNN BOTH WORKED ON HIS TESTIMONY. UH, THAT THEY THEY TESTIFY THAT, UH, THIS LOT IS SIMILAR TO THE
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END ZONE IN BLOOMBERG IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SO THEREFORE, THEY ASKED AND CORRECTLY, SO WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE HOUSES? WHAT WHAT? WHAT WHAT ARE THE HOUSES LIKE IN BURG? SO I TOLD YOU AND MR FLYNN AND YOU PREPARED A REPORT WOULD YOU TELL US HOW YOU MADE YOUR REPORT? WHAT DID YOU DO? SO AGAIN, THE BOARD IS REALLY CONFRONTED WITH TWO THINGS HERE AND MY ASSOCIATE, MR FLYNN WALKED ABOARD THROUGH BOAT BOTH ASPECTS. THE FIRST, I THINK IS THE OBVIOUS. WE'RE DEALING WITH AN UNDERSIZED LOT IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR ZONING HERE. UH, THAT'S A CLEAR CUT. TEXTBOOK C ONE HARDSHIP. UM THE LOT IS LAWFULLY PLOTTED. THE APPLICANT IS NOT CREATING THIS LOT. IT'S A LOT THAT'S THERE. IT IS A BUILDING LOT IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT WE PLANNERS WORK WITH, UM UNDER THE C, ONE HARDSHIP STANDARD OR WHAT ? I WOULD CALL IT A TEXTBOOK AND THE BOARD BASICALLY ACCEPTED HIS OPINION LAST TIME AND THE ONLY THE ONLY REMAINING ISSUE ON THE NEGATIVE ISSUE IS YOUR REPORT SO THE SECOND QUESTION BEFORE THE BOARD IS WHETHER THE HOME SIZE IS APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? SO WHAT I INSTRUCTED MATT TO DO WHEN HE WAS HERE LAST TIME WAS NOT TO CONSIDER THE ZONING THAT THE SUBJECT IS IN. BUT THE ZONING WE'RE A LOT OF THIS PARTICULAR SIZE WOULD BE ALLOWED, AND THE ONLY ZONE IS THE VN ZONE. THE VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DISTRICT WHICH WOULD ALLOW A LOT OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND CHANGE AND THIS LOT HAPPENS TO BE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THAT. SO WE LOOKED AT THE ZONING PARAMETERS. WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING HERE AND FOUND THAT THIS WOULD FULLY COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE VN CRITERIA. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU TOOK THIS BUILDING AND PUT IT IN ANY ONE OF THOSE LOTS IN THE ZONE DISTRICT BASICALLY WOULD IT NOT ONLY BE A FULLY CONFORMING APPLICATION THAT WOULDN'T NEED ANY VARIANCE RELIEF, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD NEED ANY BOARD RELIEF AS WELL. IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO BUILDING PERMITS AS A PERMITTED BUILDING TYPE IN IN THE ZONE DISTRICT. SO I THINK THE BOARD RAISED GOOD QUESTIONS LAST TIME WHAT IS ACTUALLY OUT THERE IN THE VN ZONE DISTRICT, AND THERE ARE 30 OR SO LOTS THAT ARE ON THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO VM DISTRICTS THAT WE LOOKED AT. WE LOOKED AT THE ONE THAT WAS CLOSEST TO THE SUBJECT. WE WENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY. I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THEM WITH WITH YOUR BOARD PLANNER IF HE WANTS TO CHECK MY WORK, BUT WE DID FIND IN FACT THAT IF THE SUBJECT LOT WERE IN THE END ZONE, WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY IMPLICATION? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ALLOW FOR 20% BUILDING COVERAGE. YOU ALLOW TWO STORY BUILDINGS, SO BY SIMPLE MATH WITH A LOT THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 11,000 SQUARE FEET. UH WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN TERMS OF LIVABLE AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 4356 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S TAKING THE 20% AND THEN DOUBLING IT FOR LIVABLE AREA. 4356 THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY PROPOSING A BUILDING HERE. THAT'S MUCH LESS THAN THAT 3360 SQUARE FEET. NOW THE BOARD ASKED THE APPLICANT SAYING, WE REALIZE WHAT THE THRESHOLD IS UNDER THE ORDINANCE. BUT ARE THERE ANY LOTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE VN ZONE? WILL WE SEE MATERIALIZED LARGER BUILDINGS SUCH AS SUCH AS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, AND WE DID FIND OTHER LOTS IN THE VIEN ZONE THAT HAVE LARGER BUILDINGS THAN THE 3360, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, AND BY WAY, OF EXAMPLE, OVER AT 11 WILD AZALEA LANE. THERE IS A LIVABLE AREA OF 3880 SQUARE FEET. THAT WAS BUILT IN 2002. AND THEN OVER AT 431 ROUTE 518. 3730 SQUARE FEET. BUILT IN 1985. AND THEN, ADDITIONALLY, OVER AT 403 ROUTE 518. 3676 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 1950. SO AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER LOTS IN THE VN ZONE WHERE WE DO SEE LARGER BUILDINGS THAN WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED BEAR IN MIND. ANY ONE OF THE LOTS IN THE VN ZONE COULD BE UPWARDS OF 4000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE. IF SOMEONE WERE TO PUT ON ADDITIONS OR OR DO A KNOCK DOWN AND RECONSTRUCTION. SO I THINK BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS, THE RELIEF THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THE BUILDING SIZE THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING IS BOTH REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE IN CONSIDERATION OF THE ZONE DISTRICT WHERE THIS LOT WOULD BE A CONFORMING LOT. YOU'RE SAYING[00:20:06]
ALL OF THE FOREGOING REASONS. THE C. ONE VARIANT CAN BE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD AND WITHOUT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIRING THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE MASTER PLAN. AND THE ZONE PLAN. TO THE EXTENT THAT YOUR ANALOGIZING IT TO THE IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT WAS REALLY THE CRUX OF WHAT I HAD. IT WAS REALLY JUST TO BOLSTER AND SUPPLEMENT MR FLYNN'S TESTIMONY FROM LAST TIME. RIGHT UH, I, I IF THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE, I THINK WE'D OPEN IT UP TO BOARD QUESTIONS. UM, FOR THE PLANNER HERE. UH, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM I . THIS IS SEPARATE FROM SEPARATE FROM THE PLANNER, RIGHT? YEAH, MAYBE MAYBE WE CAN WAIT. IS THERE A RE? I MEAN NOT TO DEFER, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE PLAN NOW. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNER? RIGHT? YEAH. SO I. I THINK MAYBE THEN WE COULD OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN MAYBE, UH, QUESTIONS UM, AND MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TREES. LET THAT BE GREAT. UM ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO, UM, OPEN. UH THIS APPLICATION UP FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE IS ANY NO. HEARING NONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, ARE THERE ANY PERSONS IN THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR MCDONOUGH? NO, NO. ALRIGHT SO WE'LL, UH, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. RIGHT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR. OK? UH, ALL RIGHT, SO I WANTED TO REVISIT, OR, UH, RAISE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. TO NOT HAVE TO PLANT UH, TREES ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE TREE ORDINANCE. UH, IT WAS, I THINK LAST TIME WE TALKED THAT THE LAND WAS CLEARED, AND, UM, THAT WAS PRIOR TO GETTING ANY APPROVALS, AND THE APPLICANT SAID THAT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANY REQUIREMENT ABOUT A CLEARING TREES. SO UH, I WANTED TO HEAR FROM, UM, OUR LANDS. ARCHITECT. UH, REGARDING THAT MATTER. RECORDING HAD TWO STREET TREE. IT'S ON THE ONE SO I TOTAL OF SIX TREES ARE REQUIRED, AND IT'S IN MY MEMO. WE'RE NOT SEEKING RELIEF. WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY RELIEF. NOW. I MEAN IT. LET ME FIRST STARTED OUT. I SAID THAT WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY RELIEF FOR TREE PLANTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN AND THEN MR BARTOLONE THINKS BECAUSE WARREN WOLSKI'S MEMO IS MAYBE SCREENING. I ALSO SAID FOR THE RECORD THAT IF MR BARTEL GOES OUT THERE AND THINKS WE NEED SOME SCREENING, WE'LL GO FOR SCREENING. SO IT VERY WELL MAY BE MORE THAN SIX TREES.WELL. THAT WE WERE GONNA PLAN. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFIED. SURE SURE, IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT SAID YOU'RE WELCOME. YEAH, MR WALMART. UM ONE COMMENT ON LOOKING AT THE FEBRUARY 21ST MEMO. UH, FROM VACATION, RG. COMMENT ABOUT A 6 FT HIGH FENCE. YOU KNOW WHAT COMMENT NUMBER YOU'RE ON NUMBER ONE. UM THREE. WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A 6 FT FIVE FENCE. UH, BASICALLY UM, TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY. AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE DEER. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR V THERE. YOU'RE CORRECT. MR WOLMARK. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A 6 FT HIGH FENCE. THE OTHER TIME, I HAD, UH, ALSO FROM THE SAME MEMO FIVE THAT IS THE WATCH SHALL BE DEED RESTRICTED TO REQUIRE PROFESSIONAL MAINTENANCE OF THE STONE WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
THAT'S STANDARD. WE ALWAYS DO THAT PREVIOUS PREVIOUSLY PREVIOUSLY YOU ORDER IT ONLY REQUIRED IT FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. YOU CHANGE THE ORDINANCE FOR EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE IN, THE NEW STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND EVERY UH, NEW HOUSE THAT GETS BUILT. HAS TO HAVE A DEED WITH THE STORE MANAGEMENT AS A EXHIBIT TO IT. I DO IT ALL THE TIME. AND THAT'S
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STANDARD OPERATIONAL PROCEDURE. THAT WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. THERE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY MR DAR AND INDEED IS APPROVED BY WHERE THE COCA SO THAT'S THAT'S DONE. THAT'S DONE. YEAH, I'LL JUST REMIND THE BOARD. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY OBJECTIONS TO ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS THAT ARE GREAT RIGHT THAT WE SAID WE CAN'T DO ABOUT THE 1 FT. AND YOU SAID THAT IT'S OK, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED THE ONLY THING WE SAID MISTER CLL'S MEMO. WE WOULD WE WOULD AND THE ISSUE IS ALSO WE ALSO SAID WE WOULD GO THE SIDEWALK AND THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD. UH, WHETHER THEY WANT TO SIDEWALK. BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. AND, UM THE ONLY THING UH, MR COVELLI SAID IN HIS MEMO, PAGE SEVEN ITEM. 3.5 HE SAID, ELIMINATE THE OFFICE IN THE SECOND FLOOR LIVING ROOM TO REDUCE RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. THE ONLY THING THE ONLY THING WE SAID WE DO EVERYTHING, BUT WE LIKE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF WINDOWS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE ROOM WOULD BE DARK AND, UH, YOU COULD ASK MR COVELLI. I TALKED TO HIM BEFORE THE MEETING. I JUST LIKE MY CLIENT WOULD JUST LIKE A FEW WINDOWS IN THERE JUST TO HAVE SOME LIGHT IN THE ROOM. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, WAS THERE SOME CLARIFICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE? YEAH, SO YEAH. BOARD OF HEALTH APPROVED A SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR A THE BOARD OF HEALTH APPROVED A SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR A TWO BEDROOM HOME. UM THERE'S TWO ROOMS IN THE HOUSE. ONE IS LABELED AS AN OFFICE AND ANOTHER THAT'S LABELED AS A, UM, AN UPSTAIRS LIVING ROOM. UM WHAT I IDENTIFIED IN THE NOTE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE ROOMS JUST TO REASSURE THE BOARD THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE CONVERTED INTO A BEDROOM. ONE OF WHICH IS TO NOT INCLUDE WINDOWS BECAUSE WINDOWS ARE REQUIRED IN THE BEDROOM. UM HOWEVER. IS IF THERE'S POSSIBILITY OF A ROOM EVEN ILLEGALLY BEING TURNED INTO A BEDROOM. PROBABLY BETTER THAT THERE A RE WINDOWS AND THEN THERE ARE NOT WINDOWS. GOD FORBID, RIGHT. SO UM BUT AND ALSO IF IT'S IF YOU HAVE THE WIDE ENTRANCE, WHICH I THINK IS THE BIGGER THING, RIGHT? NOBODY WANTS A BEDROOM WHERE YOU HAVE A WIDE OPEN ENTRANCE GOING INTO IT. UH, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER MEASURE TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING A BEDROOM ANYWAY. SO NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S THE DECISION TO BE MADE. BUT I. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO HAVE A WINDOW IN YOUR OFFICE. SO THAT'S THE AGREEMENT THEN. THAT THERE WILL BE WINDOWS BUT I CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. HOWEVER YOU SAY THAT THAT'S RICHIE'S REQUEST , AND HE'S SAYING HE DOESN'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT. SO WITH THE OPENING THE LARGE ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD PUT IN, UM FRENCH DOORS. AND THEN CREATE A BEDROOM ANYWAY. I MEAN, I. I WITH ANY OF THESE MEASURES. THERE'S ALWAYS YES, THERE'S OF COURSE, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD DO SOMETHING, BUT IT'S WHETHER WHAT THE IDEA IS TO MITIGATE THE POSSIBILITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. RIGHT. SO YES, THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD PUT IN FRENCH DOORS. YES. BUT IF YOU SAY NO WINDOWS, NO WINDOWS, THEY ALL WE'RE JUST DOING AS A REQUEST JUST TO GET SOME LIGHT IN THE ROOM. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, OK, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO TO DIRECT THIS QUESTION TO, BUT, UH, OF THIS VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, ZONE, WHICH TOTALLY GET IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. UM ARE ARE THE HOMES IN IN A VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE? CAN YOU TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT MORE SORRY. A RE. THEY TYPICALLY SERVICED BY A SEWER SYSTEM OR IS THAT UM SEPTIC SYSTEM ATYPICAL. UH, UH, SANITARY SYSTEM FOR A VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE. MAYBE MISTER MCDONOUGH. PERHAPS YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION. I'M SORRY.OK? SHOULD I SAY IT AGAIN? OK, MY QUESTION IS IN A VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE. IS THE SANITARY SYSTEM TYPICALLY A SEWER, OR IS IT TYPICALLY A SEPTIC SYSTEM SO TYPICALLY ON ON SMALLER LOT? DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT, IN THE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
OUR VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE. I'M NOT 100% SURE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET SEWER SERVICE TO THAT AREA. I BELIEVE, UM SO I I'M NOT 100% SURE ABOUT OUR UH, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE
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BUT GENERALLY THE SMALLER LOT DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT IS SERVEDR ME, IF I MAY, IS UH, SEPTIC OR SEWER? YEAH, I'M NOT 100% SURE ON THAT THAT I WAS TRYING TO PANTOMIME TO SHERRY AND SEE IF SHE COULD TELL ME BUT I'M LOOKING ON THE MAP NOW TO SEE IF , UH IT'S EVEN IN THE SEWER SERVICE AREA, SO GIVE ME A FEW SECONDS. AND M. MAYBE, MISTER TARDY A FOLLOW UP. QUESTION ON, UM WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS FAIL IN THIS MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP IN THE YEAR. THAT AGAIN . I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC STEP, BUT WE DON'T HAVE OPTIMAL SOILS FOR SEPTIC SYSTEM. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE THE ALTERNATE FIELD LOCATION THE ALTERNATIVE FIELD RIGHT BECAUSE WE SORT OF PLAN FOR FAILURE. UH SO AND THIS IN THIS AFRICAN ACTUALLY DOES HAVE AN ALL THE LOCATION. RIGHT NEXT TO THE EXIST TO THE PROPOSED FIELD AS WELL. BUT YOUR POINT IS TAKEN THAT SOILS AREN'T NECESSARILY OPTIMAL FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN GENERAL IN THE TOWN. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, IF I MAY AND MISS SHERRY CONFIRM THAT THAT BLOMBERG IS WITHIN THE SERVICE SERVICE AREA, IT IS OK. THANK YOU. SO I MADE THAT, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE WHAT WE CALL THE 208 PLAN. FOR SEWER. THERE'S NO SEWER THERE. SO IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO USE A SEPTIC SYSTEM. A TWO WAY PLAN IS A MASTER PLAN FOR SEWER. COMMUNITY SEWER. UH, ON. THERE'S ONE SPOT THERE THAT HAS COMMUNITY SEPTIC SYSTEM. AND SEWAGE. THERE'S NO SEWER PLANT. THAT SERVES THIS PROPERTY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND A RESERVE SEPTIC SYSTEM. AS MR DAR SAYS, A CASE THE FIRST ONE FAILS. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.THANK YOU. OKAY? YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES. THIS APPLICANT. PICKED OUT MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. HE'S SINGLE. HE WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE. THE REASONABLE SIZE. HE WANTS TO START A FAMILY HERE. HE LIKES MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP AND OSTENSIBLY WOULD HAVE CHILDREN HE'S GETTING TO GET MARRIED, WOULD HAVE CHILDREN. COURSE. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS RENOWNED UH, ONE TIME. I THINK IT WAS ONE NUMBER ONE IN THE STATE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND SO THIS IS THE ONLY LOT REALLY THAT'S AVAILABLE, UH, WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE BOARD REALIZES BUT IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES WHEN I WAS ACTIVE, REALLY ACTIVE HERE, YOU KNOW BETWEEN RUSSO WHO I MENTIONED BEFORE MAX SPINNER AND A COUPLE OTHER BUILDERS, ALL THE FARM LAND WAS TAKEN UP AND THAT WAS THE GOOD LAND NOW. LEFT IN THE TOWNSHIP, A VERY, VERY MARGINAL LANDS, AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. I HAD A CLIENT. WHO HAD A BEAUTIFUL LOT ON ZION ROAD , BUT WHEN WE DID, IT'S A VACANT LOT. BUT WHEN WE DID I SEARCH UH BY AMY JONES, OUR ENVIRONMENTALIST YOU COULDN'T BUILD ON IT WAS ALL WETLANDS. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY LEFT IN TOWN. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOU'RE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE APPLICATIONS LIKE THESE FOR YOUR DECISION. UH, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME TO TOWN WANTS A NEW HOUSE AND HE HAS TO SETTLE, OR SHE HAS TO SETTLE FOR AN UNDERSIZED LOT. THERE'S JUST NO, UH, LAND BECAUSE OF THE SUBSEQUENT FROM THE SEVENTIES AND THE EIGHTIES, UH, SUBSEQUENT REGULATIONS PROMULGATED BY MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP AS THEY HAD A RIGHT TO DO FACTORING ORDINANCES LIKE STREAM CORRIDORS AND THE FRESHWATER WETLANDS ACT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT. NOW THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN UNDERSIZED LOT, AND IF THEY DON'T GRANT A VARIANCE, WE SAID LAST TIME IT WOULD BE A TAKING.
IT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT EVERYONE AGREES. ONLY ISSUE IS THE HOUSE SIZE. IT WAS AND IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE LACK OF QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD PROBABLY AGREES. YEAH I KNOW, BUT ALL I WANT TO DO IS MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT, MR D. UM YOU KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IN MONTGOMERY IS IF THE BOARD FOR WHATEVER REASON, DIDN'T KNOW IT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I JUST MY TWO MINUTES I'M UP FINISHED. ALL RIGHT, I. I THINK WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE YOU JUST HAVE JUST BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. UM, IS THAT FINE WITH YOU? UM RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO, UH, LEAD WITH
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ANY ANY CONCERNS? WE OK? I HAVE NO DELIBERATIONS. MY ONLY ISSUE IS, UH UH, THE, UH, THE ROOM THAT COULD BE TURNED INTO A BEDROOM, ESPECIALLY IF WE PUT THE IN AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SEWER SYSTEM. HOUSES AROUND IT. OK, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT THE CONDITION TO BE AS DISCUSSED LAST TIME, RIGHT ALONG WITH WHAT? JAMES? SUGGESTED IN HIS THREE ITEM 3.5 ON PAGE SEVEN. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY START FOR IF THEY WANT TO GO STRAIGHT WITH WHAT JAMES SUGGESTED WITH RICHIE'S REQUEST. TO ALLOW WINDOWS TO BE PUT IN THERE, AND I ASSUME THE REASON YOU WANT TO GO WITH JAMES IS YOUR POSITION IS IF THERE'S NO WINDOWS, THERE'S NO WAY IT WILL BECOME A BEDROOM. AND IF YOU PUT WINDOWS THAT MIGHT ENCOURAGE SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU FRENCH THE WIDER OPENING. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS DROP ALL YOURSELF ON THAT? I'M FINE WITH THE WINDOWS. YEAH I. I MEAN, I YEAH, III. I SERVED ON A SUBMARINE FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I DON'T LIKE TO LIVE WITHOUT WINDOWS. AND I MEAN SO, II. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE WINDOWS IN KIND OF ALL ALL PARTS OF A HOUSE. WINDOWS. NO. WE GOT TWO FOR WINDOWS TWO FOR NO WINDOWS. ALL RIGHT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WINDOWS, HAVE IT? OK? ALRIGHT SO THAT JUST LEAVES THE UH UH, CONDITIONS THAT CAN YOU READ THE CONDITIONS OF THIS? WELL, NOT ALL OF THEM. YOU CAN SPECIFY THE CONDITIONS ARE EVERYTHING IN THE CCH REPORT. IT'S HONORED. IT SAYS FEBRUARY 20TH, BUT I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE FEBRUARY. 21 OTHER THAN THERE'S NOW GOING TO BE WINDOWS. AND WE KNOCKED OUT SOME LANGUAGE IN PARAGRAPH ONE POINT THREE. WE KNOCK LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WHAT OTHER REVISIONS THAT WE MAKE? AS TO THAT ITEM, 3.5. I'M GOING TO CROSS OUT, REMOVING THE WINDOWS LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE IN AND ELIMINATE THE OFFICE IN THE SECOND FLOOR LIVING ROOM. UM AND THEN ALSO ADD THAT THERE SHOULD BE THERE SHALL BE DEED RESTRICTIONS RECORDED TO THIS EFFECT. AND MR CHATMAN WILL GET A DRAFT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT HE CAN REVIEW THOSE SO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY DID NOT OBJECT TO FROM. THE C REPORT BECOMES A CONDITION THEN THE ER I REPORT. FROM RAKESH, WHICH IS DATED FEBRUARY, 21. EVERYTHING IN THERE BECOMES A CONDITION.IT'S NOT JUST THE YOU WERE AN UNDERSIZED LOT SIZE VARIANTS. THAT WOULD BE GRANTED. IT'S ALSO A VERY OR A WAIVER. I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. I'M GONNA ASK JAMES TO TELL ME FOR THE FENCE HIKE. PER PER MUNICIPAL, UH, PRACTICE. IT'S EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE DESIGN SECTION. IT'S A VARIANCE.
AND VARIANCE. ITEM THREE ON PAGE. OF DAR GEE'S REPORT. IS, UH THE APPLICATION MEETS. THE DEFINITION OF A MINOR DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES SEA BARRIERS FOR YOU FEEL LOT COVERAGE AND MINOR DEVELOPMENT. LAST WEEK, THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY AGREED TO THAT. THEY'RE NO LONGER SEEKING. THE WAIVER ON THE SIDEWALKS. THAT'S A CONDITION THEY GOT TO PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN. UM GENERAL COMMENTS. ITEM SIX. EVERYTHING ELSE IS A CONDITION. THEY HAVEN'T OBJECTED TO, BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT COMMENTS WHERE I'VE CHANGED THINGS, THE ONLY DEVIATION THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT TESTIFIED TO WAS THE, UH, THE SEPARATION FROM WATER TABLE THAT'S A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY FOR THEM. GIVEN THE SHALLOWNESS OF THE WATER TABLE AND THE AND THE GRADING OF THE LOT. SO IT'S A WAIVER OF THE SEPARATION OF FROM THE HIGH WATER TABLE FOR THE SUBSURFACE. UM PUT IT THIS WAY. I'M GONNA HAVE SOMETHING IN THE RESOLUTION. THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY SENSE. I'LL MAKE SENSE OF IT WHEN YOU SEND. IT MAKES SENSE. UM GENERAL COMMENTS, ITEM SIX. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING AN ESTIMATED NET EXPORT OF 340 CUBIC YARDS OF SOIL. NO SOIL SHALL BE REMOVED WITHOUT THE PRIOR APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO I THINK I ASKED YOU BEFORE. WHAT WOULD YOU ESTIMATE? I BELIEVE I THINK THE AFRICAN GAVE THAT NUMBER AND I DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN. I THINK I OH, I THE APPLICANT SEEKS SOIL RELOCATION PERMIT FOR UP TO 450. CUBIC YARDS, BECAUSE I ASKED YOU WITH 340 WAS ENOUGH.
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YOU SAID. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH SO THAT WOULD BE ADJUSTED UPWARDS TO 450. I MEAN, THEY THEY'RE NOT SEEKING A WAIVER FROM LANDSCAPING. YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE LANDSCAPING. TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CONDITIONS IN MY NOTES. AND THEN THE BOARD STANDARD CONDITION. SO THE STANDARD CONDITION HOW MUCH TIME WILL THE APPLICANT WANT FROM THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION TO PULLING DONING CONSTRUCTION PERMITS AND HOW MUCH TIME WILL THE APPLICANT WANT FROM THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST PERMIT UNTIL THE COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION AND GET A PERMANENT CO THEY HAVE DROPPED. THEY HAVE DROPPED DEAD DATES HERE, WHICH YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE. AFTER THEY GRANT THE RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZATION. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO GET YOUR PLANS DONE AND A BUILDING PERMIT? WHAT YOU SAY. OK, DON'T BE. DON'T BE OVERLY OPTIMISTIC.BE VERY PESSIMISTIC. WELL. IF YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE YEAR TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. AND THEN A YEAR AFTER THAT, TO GET THE PERMANENT CEO, IF YOU THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU LONGER AND YOU DON'T WANT TO COME BACK FOR AN EXTENSION AND ASK FOR TWO YEARS AND TWO YEARS, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO HE'S REQUESTING. YEARS TO GET TWO YEARS. ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD THE HOUSE YOURSELF? ARE YOU GOING TO GET A BUILDER TO BUILD? TWO AND TWO. YOU GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO. THAT'S THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. UM CAN I GET A, UM, MOTION? RIGHT I MEAN, I I'M SURE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. UH, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF MATHEMATICS ON ON THE W LOT AREA WAS GONNA BE USED FOR THE FOR THE GREAT COVERAGE RATIOS AND ALL THAT STUFF. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WERE STRAIGHT THAT WE IT'S BASICALLY THE NET AREA THAT WE'RE USING. BECAUSE WE FIGURED OUT THAT THAT'S WHAT? LET ME ASK YOU. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE. I HAVE IT'S 34.7. THAT'S IT. YEAH, THAT WAS THE NUMBER AND THAT'S JUST TELL ME. IS THAT THE MA? THAT'S THE MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE. IT'S NOT 29.12. IT'S 34.7. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT ABOUT IS THE BUILDING COVERAGE? CORRECT THEY HAVE 15.13 WHICH SEEM THAT THAT WOULD ALSO GO UP THAT WOULD ALSO GO UP EQUALLY. NOT NOT EVEN WE ALSO GO UP PROPORTIONALLY. UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT? I CAN. I CAN DO THAT. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE IF I MAY.
IT'S A SIDEWALK. IT'S SIDE ON THE SIDE. WE DIDN'T HEAR A WORD YOU SAID. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST SAID. YOU'RE DOING THE FINE. YOU YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT SEEKING RELIEF FROM THE SIDEWALK LAST TIME. YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA GET THAT SIDEWALK STUFF OUT OF YOUR BRAIN. WHERE ANYBODY IS GOING TO GO WITH IT. YOU WANT. I APOLOGIZE.
16.81 16.81% WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION IN THE SIDEWALK TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. RIGHT? OK? RIGHT? RIGHT? YEAH. OK UH, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS SPECIFIED, AND I WAS THE ONLY THINK YOU MR DRILL. UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? UH, THIS APPLICATION? MR WALMART. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR WOOD. UH, SHERRY, CAN YOU RECALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? LASKY. YES IT YES. ROSENTHAL SING. WALMART YES, YES. AND BRONZE? YES THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW HOUSE AND WELCOME TO MONTGOMERY AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHERE WE WERE, YEAH. ALL RIGHT, UH, MOVING ALONG HERE. UH THE NEXT IS CASE. BAT 08 T 23. THIS IS MICHAEL IN, UH, JANINE O, RILEY. UH, BLOCK 30002 LOT. 7317 AUGUSTA COURT. THIS IS AD FOUR VV FOR F RATIO, UM, AND A BULK VARIANT TO CONSTRUCT 200. YEAH. YEAH. HEY, UH, MI MISTER SCHATZMAN. MISTER CHA, UH,
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CONSTRUCT A 253 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PORCH ON AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. UH, THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THIS APPLICATION IS MAY 9TH 2024 AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION. UH, IS, UH, REQUIRED. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE HEARING FROM MR SCHATZMAN AGAIN.YEAH. WELCOME ATTORNEY. FOR MR AND MRS RILEY. UH, TODAY. WE HAVE, UH WITNESSES. MR MCDONOUGH, THE PLANNER, AND MR FORD, THE ENGINEER. SO MR FORD WILL START OFF. GIVING HOLD ON.
LET ME GET EVERYONE SWORN IN FIRST. YEAH. GET HIM SWORN IN, AND, UH THE APPLICANTS.
WITNESSES STAND UP AND BOARD WITNESSES. STAND UP. EVERYONE RAISE THEIR HANDS AND JUST ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ANYONE ELSE? BESIDES THESE TWO? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ONE OF YOUR CLIENTS REPRESENTATIVES JUST IN CASE TEST JUST IN CASE MIKE. EVERYONE SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IN THIS MATTER WILL BE THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH STARTING OVER HERE. I DO. I DO. NOW EVERYONE NEXT TO A MICROPHONE. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, GIVE YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICANT OR THE BOARD OF THE CASE MAY BE AND YOU SIT DOWN FOR MICHAEL FORD FORD ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT. SEAN MCDONOUGH, MC CAPITAL, DONOUGH, PROJECT PLANNER. MICHAEL RILEY. REILL I APPLICANT. JANINE AND RILEY REILLY APPLICANT. JAMES CLAVELL CLAVELL I FORDS PLANNING? UH, BOARD? UH, BOARD PLANNER. ROCK.
DARCY D, A RJ I ZONING BOARD ENGINEER. B A RT OLONE BORD LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. RIGHT, MR SCHATZMAN GO AHEAD. THE SHOT, BUT GO AHEAD. OK, UH, MR FORD. WILL YOU BE? DID WE SWEAR IN? I'M SORRY. WHEN YOU GET THE BACKGROUND OF YOUR EDUCATION AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL. UH YES. UM UM , LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER FROM MORE THAN 30 YEARS WITH VAN CLEAVE ENGINEERING SINCE 1991.
HERE BEFORE THIS BOARD ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AS WELL AS OTHER BOARDS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. TESTIFYING WITH REGARDS TO PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING ASPECTS OF PROJECTS.
GREAT. THANK YOU. I WILL ACCEPT THANK YOU. I WANT TO GIVE HIM AND YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. AM I CORRECT? YES. YOU'RE FAMILIAR, OF COURSE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP? YES AND THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY? YES. WANT TO, UH GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS APPLICATION I HAVE, UH, FROM THE COMPUTER ON THE DESK HERE. THE EXHIBIT. IS THE, UM VARIANT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION DATE OF JULY. 14TH.
2021 SO WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE. LIKE EVERYONE HAS IT RIGHT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EXIT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MARKED IN. I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE MARKED. YES, SIR. OKAY? AND THE SUBSTANCE OF THE APPLICATION IS, UH THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF, UH COVERED PORCH AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING DWELLING. AUGUSTA COURT. APPROXIMATELY HALF ACRE LOT. UM THE ADDITION WOULD BE AT THE REAR. THERE IS, UH THERE WAS A OH, DECK. I'M SORRY, UH, BRICK PATIO IN THIS AREA. IT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE VARIANCE PLAN AS TO BE REMOVED. UH, SINCE 2021 IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN REMOVED. AND UM, THE RELIEF REQUESTED, WHICH WILL BE ADDRESSED BY OUR PLANNER. IS WITH REGARDS TO THE BUILDING COVERAGE AND FA R. WITH REGARDS TO TOTAL LOCK COVERAGE.
UH UH, APPLICATION WILL RESULT IN A SLIGHT DECREASE IN THE EXISTING TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. BOTH IN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITION. THE TOTAL LOCK COVERAGE. UH, MAXIMUM OF 25% IS MET. PERHAPS WE CAN I CAN GO INTO THE ENGINEER'S REVIEW MEMORANDUM. PLEASE.
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OK? WELL MAYBE FIRST, JUST AS FAR AS OUTSIDE AGENCIES. WE HAVE SECURED AN EXEMPTION. UH DETERMINATION FROM THE DELAWARE CANAL COMMISSION DATED AUGUST. 8TH 223 AND EXEMPTION CERTIFICATION FROM THE SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THEY DID. OCTOBER 25TH 2023 NOW I'M GOING TO ONE OF THE REVIEW REPORTS BY THEIR BOARD PROFESSIONALS. IT'S A, UH MEMO TO THE BOARD DATED MARCH 21ST 2024 FROM ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS. I THINK IT'S FOUR PAGES. UH, PAGES ONE AND TWO. DESCRIBED THE SUBSTANCE OF THE APPLICATION. WHICH I JUST SUMMARIZE BRIEFLY. I'LL GO DIRECTLY TO UM THE MIDDLE OF PAGE THREE. I'VE IDENTIFIED THE TWO VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED . THERE'S ALSO A DESIGN WAIVER REQUEST REGARDING THE 14. SHADE TREES PER ACRE. GROSS ACRE REQUIREMENT. THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING NO TREES. AND NO LANDSCAPING. THEY EXISTING SITE IS UH OR HAS EXISTED FOR SOME TIME IN A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND WITH THAT EXISTENCE OVER YEARS, THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPE PACKAGE THAT THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY WELL LANDSCAPED WITH. TREES ALONG THE REAR. AND OTHER LANDSCAPE. UH UM AREAS IF YOU WILL AND FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND AS PART OF THE APPLICATION NO EXISTING TREES WILL BE REMOVED. AND THEN, UH, CONTINUE ON PAGE THREE OF THE ENGINEERS REPORT, UH, UNDER GENERAL COMMENTS. UM FIRST ITEM ONE. I'VE JUST TESTIFIED TO WITH REGARDS TO IMPACTS THE LANDSCAPING. AND WE DO SHOW A LIMITED DISTURBANCE FOR THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION.THERE WAS A REVIEW MEMORANDUM, UH, COMMENT. REQUESTING US THAT WE DELINEATE THE ACCESS TO THAT REAR AREA. UM, I DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE APPLICANT. THEY'VE HAD WORK DONE ON THE PROPERTY.
PREVIOUSLY THAT IS THE REMOVAL OF THAT PATIO. UM AND, UM, WHAT IS ANTICIPATED IS DOWN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS AS YOU LOOK A T THIS THE EXHIBIT AT THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SHEET. DOWN THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS AN OPEN AREA WHERE OTHER EXCAVATING EQUIPMENT IS ALREADY ACCESSED.
AND THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR A TEMPORARY ACCESS TO THE REAR FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THIS SMALL EDITION. THERE WAS A REQUEST. UH, ITEM TWO. UH, IN THE ENGINEER'S REPORT TO ILLUSTRATE THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED COVERED PORCH AT THE REAR. THERE'S ACTUALLY IS A ONE AND THE ARCHITECTURAL EXHIBITS A REAR VIEW OF THE PROPERTY OR THE DWELLING IF YOU WILL. AND IT'S EXPECTED THAT THE COURT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE ONE OR TWO STEPS TO GET UP ONTO THE PORCH, SO IT'S NOT ELEVATED HIGH OFF THE GROUND. SO TO THE EXTENT WE NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLASSIC CLARIFICATION AS TO THAT PROFILE OF THE OF THE COVERED PORCH. WE WILL THAT'S ADDRESSING ITEM TWO.
ITEM THREE. UM I JUST SPOKE TO WITH REGARDING THE ACCESS TO THE CONSTRUCTION AREA, AND WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE PLAN. ITEM FOUR. UH, REQUESTS A NOTE BE ADDED TO THE PLAN. WE ACQUIESCE TO THAT AND THEN ITEM FIVE. AND SIX SO I'LL GO TO UH, ITEMS FIVE. I REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED OR REVIEWED THIS COMMENT AND DISCUSSED IT WITH THE APPLICANT. THERE WAS A SMALL I'LL SAY 15 FT DIAMETER UM FIRE PIT AREA IF YOU WILL, UH, INSTALLED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE NORTH. UH, WEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE SITE PLAN. WHAT THAT DOES. IS, UH, INCREASE THE TOTAL LOCK COVERAGE SLIGHTLY, BUT WHAT I'VE TESTIFIED TO ALREADY IS STILL CONSISTENT AND WILL NOT BE CHANGE SUBSTANTIVELY. THAT IS THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE WILL STILL LAY STAY UNDER 25% AND THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE AS A RESULT OF THIS APPLICATION WILL BE A SLIGHT DECREASE TO WHAT WAS EXISTING AT THE TIME OF THE PREPARATION OF THIS PLAN. THAT IS THE 24.75. THE MAXIMUM BLOCK
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COVERAGE. SUPPOSE NOW IS 22.6% WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT WILL INCREASE TO IF YOU HAD WHATEVER IMPERVIOUS SURFACES OF THAT FIRE PIT ARE ADDED. CAUSE IT WON'T IMPACT OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING COVERAGE AND IT WON'T IMPACT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO CORRECT. MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS GONNA BE. IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN 25. BUT WHAT WILL IT BE? IT'S A NET DECREASE OF 20 SQUARE FEET OVER WHAT'S THERE TODAY? WHICH RESULTS IN. 24.65% SO WE'RE AT 24.75 TODAY WILL BE AT 24.65. SO INSTEAD OF STILL UNDER INSTEAD OF 22.6, YOU'LL BE AT 24.65. IT'S ON THE PLAN. IT'S UM IT'S 20 23.69. 23.69 IS WHAT'S WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED. IT WOULD NOW BE 24.65. CORRECT. YEAH I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO WHAT'S THE EXISTING, THEN? THE EXISTING MUST BE DIFFERENT ON THE CHART. THE EXISTING INCLUDES THAT PATIO . THAT WAS IT WAS TO BE REMOVED.I'M LOOKING AT JAMES'S CHART ON PAGE THREE. HIS MEMO. I'M I'M YOU'RE LOOKING AT DARCY'S CHART.
IN MY PLAN. OUR PLAN. BUT FOR THE RESOLUTION DRAFTER I USE 8.5 BY ELEVENS. USE ONE OF THESE, SO I NEED THE CORRECT NUMBERS ON THESE. YEAH THE ENGINEER REFERENCES IT CORRECTLY IN HIS I SKIPPED IT. IT WAS PAGE TWO OF FOUR. THERE'S A TABLE RE REGARDING THE ZONING CRITERIA UNDER MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE. THE ENGINEERS REPORT IS CORRECT AND REFLECTS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED. UH THE 25% MAX IS ALLOWED. HE HAS 24.72. I SAID, IT'S 24.75. I WAS CORRECT, SO IT'S 24.72 IS THE EXISTING AND WHAT WAS REQUESTED WAS 23 POINT. 69 WE'RE ADJUSTING THAT TO 24.65. STILL UNDER THE 25. NO RELIEF REQUIRED. AND STILL LESS THAN WHAT WAS EXISTING. THAT WAS ITEM FIVE IN THE ENGINEER'S REPORT, UNDER GENERAL COMMENTS AND THEN REGARDING ITEM SIX.
THERE'S A REQUEST ABOUT, UH, IMPORT OR EXPORT OF FILL. IT'S EXPECTED THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED TO IMPORT OR EXPORT MORE THAN 20 CUBIC YARDS. IT'S A SMALL FOUNDATION. IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. AND THEN, UH, A T. THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE. CONTINUE ON TO PAGE FOUR. RELATES TO OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS. AND I SUMMARIZED THAT AND, OF COURSE.
AS A CONDITION OF ANY APPROVAL OF THE BOARD MAY GRANT WE WOULD AGREE TO SECURE IN ANY AND ALL OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS. YOU KNOW, WON'T SPEAK TO THE OTHER REVIEWS THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED BY OUR PLANNER. A THE A ARE THERE. ANYBODY IN? THE PUBLIC THAT HAS A QUESTION FOR MR FORD. NO. ANYBODY FROM WOOD? RIGHT, THE PLANNER. IN THE . TO SWEAR IT, I GUESS. TO QUALIFY AND YOU HAVE HIS QUALIFICATIONS, SO YEAH, YEAH, WE'LL ACCEPT THEM. DO WE STILL WANT IT RIGHT? BUT IF YOU GET IT IF YOU GET AN APPEAL, I PROBABLY JUST JUST QUALIFY HIM TO DO THE I. THAT'S WHAT I ALL RIGHT, MR MCDONOUGH. UH, WHY DON'T YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF YOUR, UH EDUCATION AND YOUR, UH YOUR PROFESSIONAL. EXPERIENCE. SURE AGAIN, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JOHN MCDONOUGH. MY LICENSE STATURE HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THE LAST APPLICATION. I'M CURRENT AND IN
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GOOD STANDING AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER IN THE STATE, UH, ALSO NATIONALLY UNDER THE A IP DESIGNATION. UH, THIS IS WHAT I DO ON A NIGHTLY BASIS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, INCLUDING HERE MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. GREAT. WE'LL ACCEPT IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR QUALIFYING. ALL RIGHT, AND SHE WAS UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION, I ASK YOU TO DO A REPORT. HAVING SAID TO YOU THE NOTICE AND THE, UH REPORTS. AND YES, YOU TO GIVE YOUR TESTIMONY REGARDING, UH VARIANCE. THE LACK OF THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA. AND OF COURSE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT WORKS IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. YOU VISITED THE SITE. IN THE FAMILIAR, OF COURSE WITH THE MISS AND YOUR LAW STATE IN NEW JERSEY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES CORRECT. AND ALSO YOU'RE ASKING ALSO FOR HIM TO DO THE D FOUR.NOT JUST THE C. CORRECT THAT'S THE PRIMARY RELIEF THAT WE'RE SAFE. ALL RIGHT, YOU SO I'LL JUST PLAY OFF OF, UH, MR CLAVELL . HE'S REPORT AS ALWAYS, HE'S HE'S GIVEN THE BOARD A GOOD, UH ROAD MAP IF YOU WILL OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER IN THIS APPLICATION, WE ARE HERE IN THE R FIVE ZONE DISTRICT. THE USE IS PERMITTED. IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO ENHANCE THAT WITH THIS COVERED PORCH OFF THE BACK, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SEE. ON THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT FROM THE ROAD OR FROM THE RIGHT FROM THE BACK. UM AGAIN. HOME IMPROVEMENT WILL ADD VALUE AND QUALITY TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH IN TURN TRANSLATES TO VALUE AND QUALITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE. WE THINK THAT CLEARLY GOES TOWARDS THE PROMOTION OF THE PUBLIC WELFARE THAT'S PURPOSE A UNDER THE LAND USE LAW AND THAT TIES DIRECTLY TO THE FLOOR AREA RELIEF THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING HERE. THAT'S THE D FOUR RELIEF. 22.7 IS WHAT'S PROPOSED. 20% IS THE MAXIMUM THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE R FIVE ZONE DISTRICT. THAT IS A SLIGHT UPTICK OVER THAT WHICH PRESENTLY EXISTS. 21.4% IS WHAT PRESENTLY EXISTS AGAIN. THIS IS A RELATIVELY MODEST COVERED PORCH OFF THE BACK APPROXIMATELY 270 SQUARE FEET PLUS OR MINUS, SO IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE AN OBTRUSIVE OR IMPOSING STRUCTURE IN THE LANDSCAPE AND WILL ACTUALLY BE COMPLEMENTARY AND IN HARMONY WITH THAT, UH, DWELLING THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. IN TERMS OF THE CONSIDERATION. WHATEVER WE'RE DEALING WITH THE FOUR RELIEF WE LOOK AT ANY PROBLEMS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA AND AGAIN WITH THE RELATIVELY MODEST INCREASE HERE, ALL THE APPLICANT REALLY IS DOING IS ENHANCING THE LIVING SPACE. THIS IS NOT GOING TO CREATE ADDED POPULATION DENSITY, NOT AN BEDROOM, IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SEPTIC OR THE SEWER SYSTEM, WATER DEMAND AND THE LIKE. ALSO, THIS IS NOT GOING TO GENERATE ANY THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OR POPULATION DENSITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE, BUT AGAIN SIMPLY TO ADD TO THE AESTHETIC AND ENHANCE THE LIVING ENVIRONMENT. ALONG WITH PURPOSE A IN TERMS OF THE POSITIVE CRITERIA AND THE PROMOTION OF THE GENERAL WELFARE WITH AN ENHANCED LIVING ENVIRONMENT. WE SEE THAT A COVERED PORCH OFF THE BACK. ALSO ADVANCING PURPOSES OF ZONING, SUCH AS PURPOSE. M THE EFFICIENT USE OF LAND WITH RETROFIT OF ESTABLISHED AND DEVELOPED SPACE, UM, ENHANCING THE EXISTING BUILDING. AND THEN FINALLY PURPOSE I THE PROMOTION OF A DESIRABLE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT, BECAUSE THIS WILL ADD TO THE AESTHETIC AND THE APPEAL OF THE BUILDING THAT IS PRESENTLY THERE. AND BRING THE BACK OF THE BUILDING MORE INTO HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORING BUILDING, WHICH ALSO HAS A COVERED PORCH. THAT GOES TOWARDS THE POSITIVE CRITERIA, AND AS I SAID, WITH RESPECT TO THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA , WE LOOK AT ANY PROBLEMS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE FOR THE REASONS THAT I'VE JUST GIVEN THE BOARD. FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, THE IMPACTS HERE WOULD BE MINIMAL, IF ANY, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LANDSCAPE.
LIKEWISE INTERRELATED TO THE DE RELIEF THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING. THERE IS LOWER SEA RELIEF HERE FOR THE BUILDING COVERAGE. AND SLIGHTLY INCREASING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. TO THE EXTENT THAT 16.28. IS WHERE THE SITE WOULD LAND, WHEREAS 15% IS THE MAXIMUM THAT'S ALLOWED FOR BUILDING COVERAGE. WE ALWAYS TURN TO AS A MITIGATING MEASURE TO THE OVERALL COVERAGE, WHICH, AS YOU HEARD THROUGH, MIKE'S TESTIMONY IS ACTUALLY WELL WITHIN THE THRESHOLD OF WHAT COULD BE HERE AT 22.6% WITH 25% IS THE MAXIMUM THAT'S ALLOWED SO AGAIN LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION AS A WHOLE, WE SEE THE IMPACTS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS RELATIVELY MODEST BUILDING EXPANSION AS LANDING SQUARELY ON THE POSITIVE SIDE WITH MINIMAL IF ANY WEIGHT
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ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE. FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD BELIEVE I. I WOULD OFFER THAT THE APPLICANT IN MY OPINION HAS MET ITS STATUTORY BURDEN UNDER THE LAW AND APPROVAL IS WARRANTED. AND YOU THINK THE SCALE IT'S NOT INTRUSIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVING SEEN IT. THAT'S CORRECT.I'M LOOKING AT SOME ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL IMAGES, BUT I THINK THE SITE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. UM, THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A MODEST ADDITION OFF THE BACK, AND I THINK MR CLAVELL IN HIS REPORT HAS GIVEN THE BOARD SOME GOOD CONTEXTUAL PHOTOS, UH, TO SEE HOW THIS WOULD MAINTAIN GOOD HARMONY WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AND IN MY COMMENT ONLY IS WITH THE RAIN COMING DOWN IN SOMERSET COUNTY. I COULD SEE WHY A PERSON WANTS TO GET RID OF A HAVE A COVERED PORCH INSTEAD OF A THE DECOR. SO THEY CAN ENJOY YOU KNOW THE AIR KNOW. THE RAID IS ESPECIALLY AND SOMERSET COUNTY IS INCREASED. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY A HOMEOWNER THAT A HOUSE SUCH AS THIS WANTS A COURT A COVER PORCH INSTEAD OF THE YES. NOT ONLY WERE THE PROTECTION FROM RAIN BUT ALSO FROM THE SUN AS A SHADE STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S THE, UH TESTIMONY. OF THE AFRICAN OKAY? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THE PLANNER? NOPE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PLANNER? NO. YES. I. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY REMOVED THE PATIO. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLANS TO REPLACE PART OF THE PATIO AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO GET FROM THE DECK TO THE FIRE PIT AREA? IS THERE A WALKWAY? UM OR WHAT OTHER PLANS ARE THERE TO REPLACE THE PATIO? BECAUSE THAT WOULD, I GUESS, INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. IT'S THE AFRICAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHY YOU GOTTA BE MORE? OH, YEAH. YOU WERE SMART. I MAKE IT IN THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. DISCUSS THIS WITH THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW.
THE, UH FIRE PIT AREAS LIKE UH, IN A IN ADJACENT TO A LANDSCAPED AREA, AND THERE'S A LAWN BETWEEN IT AND THE BUILDING OR THE DWELLING, AND THAT WOULD BE THE WAY IT IS. SO THERE'S NO EXPECTATION OR PROPOSAL TO ADD A PATHWAY TO GET THERE. FOR UH, HOW ABOUT REPLACING ANY PART OF THE PATIO THAT WAS REMOVED AFTER THE DECK IS COMPLETED? AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, WHERE THE, UH NEIGHBORS SERVED A NOTICE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND WAS THERE ANY RESPONSE FROM THEM? YOU. DO YOU MEAN WHERE THEY SERVED WITH NOTICE OF THE APPLICATION? YES. YES, THEY WERE. NO, THERE WERE. NO UH I SERVE THE NOTICES. FOR THE 200 FT, BASED UPON THE, UH CERTIFIED LIST I GOT FROM THE TAX ASSESSOR . SHE WANTS TO KNOW. DID YOU GET DID ANYONE? NO NO. NOBODY CALLED ME. IS ANYONE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT? HERE ON THE RILEY APPLICATION. NOPE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE ON THE NEXT APPLICATION. AND A RE THERE ANY, UM, HO, A UM CRITERIA THAT NEED TO BE. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. HE GOT APPROVAL FROM THE HO, A AND IT EXPIRED. AND HE HAS TO GET APPROVAL AGAIN. BUT HE WENT TO A MEETING.
AND THEY SAID THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM SO AS A CONDITION IF YOU APPROVE THIS, PUT IT, YOU KNOW HO A APPROVAL, OK, BUT WE DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION ACCESS? THE ACCESS ACTUALLY. ACCESS TO THE BACK. MR FORD TESTIFIED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO COMMIT THE AND IT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY. DO THEY TO THE ACCESS THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN CUT OR THEY JUST COME STRAIGHT OFF THE ROAD. HOWEVER, YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER THIS. DO IT IN THE MICROPHONE.
AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF. YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN SWORN. HE'S NOT AN EXPERT. HE'S A FACT WITNESS. HE CAN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION YOUR NAME AGAIN. MICHAEL RILEY, APPLICANT. UH, WHEN WE HAD THE LANDSCAPING DONE IN THE BACK, AND THEY HAD TO BRING BACK BECAUSE THEY JUST WENT ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN ACROSS THE OK SO THEY DIDN'T JUMP OVER THE CURVE AT THE AT THE UP AND
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THAT'S WHAT YOU OK CAN WE JUST ATE THAT ON THE PLANE AS THE ROOT THE TYPE OF ENGINEER FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT NOT HAVING THE F. YOU WANT TO ADD A ACCESS. THE PATH OF THAT THERE'LL BE ACCESSING FROM THE STREET TO THE BACK FROM A FROM AUGUSTA. NOT RIGHT. YEAH, WE HAVE THOSE THAT'S THAT THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. RIGHT? MR DODGY ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT'S THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS FOR ME, I. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. ALL RIGHT. UM I'LL OPEN THE, UM, APPLICATION UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THERE'S NOTHING KNOWN HERE FROM THE PUBLIC SO I WON'T EVEN OPEN IT. BUT, UH, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT? UH, THIS APPLICATION. NO GREAT. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? MR WALMART.THANK YOU, MR M WASOWSKI. SHERRY, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? YES YES. ROSENTHAL SING WALMART. WHAT? YES. AND BRONZE. YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND TO YOUR DELIGHT. I'M LEAVING. THANK YOU, MR SCHATZMAN. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. RIGHT? YEAH. YOU WERE TRYING TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. TWO SECONDS TO GET.
ALL RIGHT. UH NEXT CASE, UH, IS BEANS BROOK COUNTRY CLUB AGAIN? UH, CASE. BT 07 T 23. THIS IS BLOCK 31001 LOTS. 38 AND 39, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 240, ROLLING HILL ROAD. THIS IS A MINOR SITE PLAN AND USE VARIANTS. TO REPLACE THE TENNIS HUT AND AIR SYSTEM PUMP HOUSE. UH, THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THIS APPLICATION IS, UH MAY 28TH 2024 AN AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION IN A PUBLICATION, UH, WAS REQUIRED, UM SIR. GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS MICHAEL OGRODNIK. I'M AN ATTORNEY AT SAVO SHOCK LAW FIRM IN SOMERVILLE ON BEHALF OF BEADS BROOK COUNT COUNTRY CLUB. UH, WERE HERE TONIGHT, UH, SEEKING USE VARIANCE APPROVAL, ALTHOUGH IT'S A BIT OF A BIT OF A MISNOMER IN THAT, UH, THIS IS A AAA USE EXPERIENCE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 1965, BUT UNDER THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. ANY ADJUSTMENT TO THAT SITE PLAN? WHAT IS JURISDICTIONALLY BEFORE THIS BOARD AND AGAIN REQUIRES THE BOARD TO EXAMINE THE USE VARIANCE CRITERIA. THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT'S 100 AND 75 ACRES. UH AND SINCE 1965 BEADS BROOK HAS PROVIDED COMMUNITY OUTSTANDING GOLF, RECREATIONAL AND SOCIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO THE MEMBERS OF THE GREAT AT PRINCETON AREA UH, PRO, PROVIDING AN 18 HOLE GOLF CART COURSE PRO SHOP POOL EVENT SPACES. THERE'S THREE DINING AREAS. INCLUDE PORCH, DINING, FAMILY DINING AND A GRILL ROOM. SEVERAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES RELATED TO THE GROUNDS CARE AND TO THE GOLF OPERATIONS. UM ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED. APPROXIMATELY 1965 VARIANCES HAVE BEEN GRANTED OVER THE YEARS FOR THIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING A MAINTENANCE AREA, AN UPGRADED MAINTENANCE AREA IN 2010. UH A CABANA FOR THE POOL IN 2007 CLUBHOUSE IN 2003, AND WE WERE HERE LAST MAY FOR THE TENNIS COURT. LIGHTING UM, WHICH WAS PRETTY PREVIOUSLY GRANTED.
COURSE WAS DESIGNED BY FAMED GOLF GOLF ARCHITECT DICK WILSON. ORIGINALLY CALLED THE PRINCETON GOLF AND TENNIS CLUB. INFORMED AS I INDICATED IN 1963 RACKET SPORTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A STAPLE TO THIS AND OTHER, UH, COUNTRY CLUBS. SINCE IT'S INCEPTION OVER 50 YEARS AGO, AND IN FACT, WE'RE
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CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF JOHN CONROY, PRINCETON UNIVERSITY'S TENNIS COAST AND FIRST TENNIS PROFESSIONAL AT BEADS BROOK. CLUB OFFERS FIVE ARE TRUE TENNIS COURTS AND A DECK FOR VIEWING AND A TENNIS SHOP OVERLOOKED TO THE COURTS. THE CLUB ALSO OFFERS FOUR NEWLY RECONDITIONED PADDLE COURTS. TENNIS COURTS ARE, OF COURSE, USED SEASONALLY AS FOR THE TENNIS PAVILION ASPECT OF THIS APPLICATION UH, WE PROPOSE TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING SHED AND RECONSTRUCT THE TENNIS PAVILION LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS. THIS INCLUDES, OF COURSE, THE DEMOLITION, THE STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION AND EXTENSION FOR WATER, SEWER AND ELECTRIC. THIS APPLICATION PROPOSES A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH A BATHROOM AND STORAGE LOCATED ON THE GROUND LEVEL. AND DECKING ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THERE'S ALSO AN AREA FOR INTERIOR SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT WOULD INCLUDE A TENNIS PRO SHOP. SITTING AREAS AND COUNTERS FOR A KITCHENETTE. INTERIOR FINISH FOR FLOORING WALL TRIM. IN A NEW RESTROOM ON THE GROUND LEVEL. THE NEW DECK WOULD BE COVERED WITH A PROPOSED PERGOLA. NEW EXISTING SIDING, ROOFING AND WINDOWS WOULD COMPLETE THAT STRUCTURE. THIS APPLICATION CONFORMS TO ALL THE BULK STANDARDS IN THE R FIVE ZONE, INCLUDING MINIMUM LOT AREA FRONTAGE WIDTH, DEPTH SETBACKS, BUILDING COVERAGE, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE BUILDING HEIGHTS. NOTABLY THE MAX. BUILDING COVERAGE IS 8% IN THE ZONE, AND THE EXISTING COVERAGE IS AT JUST 0.2. OF THE 175.769 ACRES. GIVEN THE 0.02 IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IN THE EXISTING VEGETATION, THE APPLICA IS REQUESTING RELIEVER WAIVER RELIEF FROM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS FOR ADDITIONAL TREE PLANTINGS. UNDER ORDINANCE SECTION 16-5 0.6 D THREE. AS I INDICATED WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR. UH, WE APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD. UH AND THE BOARD DID APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF NINE. POLE MOUNTED LIGHTS AROUND TWO OF THE COURTS. KNOWN AS TENNIS COURTS, FOUR AND FIVE. AS FOR RELIEF, A USE VARIANCE AS I INDICATED, SINCE GOLF COURSES ARE NOT PERMITTED USES IN THE R FIVE ZONE. AND THE ABSENCE PLANNER. UM UM WILL TESTIFY. PROVIDE EXPERT TESTIMONY. EXPERT TESTIMONY. CONSIDER THE NECESSARY RELIEF STANDARDS. WE ALSO HAVE MR FORD AGAIN FROM VAN CLEEF ENGINEERING WHO WILL EXPLAIN THE TENNIS PAVILION. AND THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT NECESSARY FOR THE IRRIGATION.PUMP HOUSE. UH, THESE EXISTING COURTS ARE LOCATED SEVERAL 100 FT, AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL USES. UH, AS FOR THE IRRIGATION PUMP HOUSE. THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES THE REMOVAL DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING PUMP HOUSE, WHICH IS CURRENT. LO, CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD ZONE. THE APPLICATION PROPOSES REMOVING THAT OUT OF THE HUNTER ERE FLOOD ZONE. AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT IRRIGATION PUMP HOUSE. UH, WITH A DECORATIVE MASONRY EXTERIOR AND CEDAR SHAKE ROOF. THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS A ONE STORY SLAB ON GRADE FOUNDATION WITH MASONRY BLOCK AGAIN FEATURING THE DECORATIVE MASONRY EXTERIOR. AND IS APPROXIMATELY 28. FT BY 18 FT. HAS SET FORTH IN THE IN THE SITE PLAN. UH, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES RANGE FROM APPROXIMATELY 330 FT. 506 FT. 750 FT FROM TO THE SOUTHWEST SO WELL. WELL BUFFERED. IN ADDITION, UH AS WE WERE HERE, UH , FOR THE TENNIS APPLICATION, THERE WERE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, BUFFERING TREE BUFFERING RELATED TO, UH, THOSE LIGHT TOWERS BOTH, UH, ADJACENT TO THE, UH TO THE TENNIS AREA. UM WE HAD BETH MCMANUS, ALSO OUR PROFESSIONAL PLANNER. WE HAVE CRAIG CAMPBELL, THE GENERAL MANAGER, JAMES BRYSON, THE COURT SUPERINTENDENT , UH, AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS. SO I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, MISTER FORD UPDATE HIS PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE HERE AND AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND PROCEED TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR BOTH THOSE TESTIFY. SWORN JAMES MASON AND CRAIG GAMBLE. WELL. OK, CAN EVERYONE RAISE THE RIGHT HAND? SO EVERYONE SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IN THIS MATTER WILL BE THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I DO. I DO. AND THEN START OVER HERE NEAR A MICROPHONE. IDENTIFY YOURSELF. SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, GIVE YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICANT OR THE BOARD AS THE CASE MAY BE, EVEN THOUGH UM MR OBRAD. COTY INTRODUCED YOU. CRAIG CAMPBELL, GENERAL MANAGER
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OF BEATEN SPORT CLUB. JAMES BRYSON BRYSON GOLF COURSE. SUPERINTENDENT. CAN YOU SPELL THAT AGAIN? BRYSON THE GULF. FOR SUPERINTENDENT. MICHAEL FORD FORD. ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT. ELIZABETH MCMANUS, MC MA N US. PLANNER FOR THE APPLICANT. JAMES CLAVELL CLAVELL I PLANNER FOR THE BOARD. RAKESH DJI D A RJ I ZONING BOARD ENGINEER. B A RT OLONE FORD LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. REVVED UP AND READY TO GO. OK, MR FORD. COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE SITE PLAN, OK. ALL RIGHT. UM, WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN IS PLAN SHEET TWO. THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICANT. IT'S THE OVERALL SITE PLAN LAST REVISED JANUARY 8TH 2024. WHAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING. WITH THE NICE, LARGE GREEN POINTER. IS THE LOCATION OF THE NEW PUMP HOUSE. IT'S UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO AN IRRIGATION POND. AND I'M GOING TO POINT TO WHERE THE OLD PUMP HOUSE WAS. UM, AND THAT'S A SMALL STRUCTURES, MR INDICATED.A SINGLE STORY. WITH AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING EXTERIOR FINISH. UM THE OTHER ELEMENT OF THE APPLICATION. AND THESE A RE VERY SMALL. YOU CAN SEE THE TENNIS COURTS MO LINING NOW. THE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS, AND THERE'S AN EXISTING WHAT WE REFER TO AS AN EXISTING TENNIS.
IT'S A STRUCTURE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE TENNIS COURTS. PART OF THE OPERATION OF THE TENNIS COURTS, AND THAT WILL BE REPLACED. SO THE SUBSTANCE OF THE APPLICATION IS ESSENTIALLY NOT ANY NEW IMPROVEMENTS, BUT UPGRADES AND REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING COMPONENTS THAT SERVICE THE PRINCIPAL USE, WHICH IS THE 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MANY YEARS. ACTUALLY IT WAS BEFORE THIS BOARD IN 2003 . I THINK IT WAS FOR WHEN WE REPLACED THE CLUBHOUSE. I THINK I WAS WITH EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR THE TENNIS LIGHTING A YEAR AGO. UM SO THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS APPLICATION IS, UM VERY SIMPLE AND BENIGN. NO. UH IMPACTS TO EXISTING TREES OR VEGETATION.
UM, THE PROPOSED. UH, PUMP HOUSE IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE GOLF HOLE FAIRWAYS. IN AN OPEN AREA. UM IT'S LOCATED, UH, AS HAS BEEN DESIGNED BY THE PUMP , HOUSE DESIGNER AND THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM DESIGNERS IN ITS LOCATION SO THAT IT CAN DRAW WATER FROM THAT EXISTING ON-SITE IRRIGATION POND AND THEN PUMP IT INTO THE EXISTING IRRIGATION SYSTEM. ON ONE OF THE REVIEW REPORTS. THERE WAS A REQUEST TO DESCRIBE THE 15 INCH LINE THAT COMES OUT OF THE PUMP HOUSE ON THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, AND THAT'S THE SUPPLY LINE. THAT WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THAT EXISTING IRRIGATION SYSTEM. ON THE GOLF COURSE. AND TO THE EXTENT WE NEED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE BOARD'S PROFESSIONALS, INCLUDING THEIR ENGINEER. AS TO EXACTLY HOW THAT CONNECTION WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED. WE AGREED TO DO THAT. UM THE, UH I THINK AT THIS JUNCTURE BECAUSE THEY'RE AS WE OUTLINED ALREADY, ALL THE EXISTING UNDERLYING BULK STANDARDS HAVE BEEN APPLIED, YOU KNOW, COMPLIED WITH AND WITH REGARDS TO THE UH, RELIEF REQUESTED FOR THE APPLICATION IN THE FORM OF VARIANCES. WE HAVE OUR PLANNER THAT WILL TESTIFY TO THAT. AS WAS, UM REFERENCED IN THE INTRODUCTION. BY MR GRANICK. THERE IS ALSO A DESIGN WAIVER.
REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION. RELATING TO THE UM, ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT OF 14 TREES PER GROSS ACRE, AND AS I'VE STATED, WE UH, NOT GONNA DISTURB ANY EXISTING TREES WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU NOT PUT A SIDEWALK IN WHICH THE BOARD GRANTED LAST TIME AROUND. CORRECT CORRECT. MR SHAT IS NOT HERE SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY? PERHAPS. UH IF IT'S
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THE BOARD'S PLEASURE, I'D LIKE TO JUST GO TO THE ENGINEER'S REVIEW, AS I DID IN THE LAST APPLICATION. IS DATED MARCH 21ST 2024 BY ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS, INC. IT'S UM FOUR PAGES. UM AND AGAIN, I'LL SKIP PAGES ONE AND TWO, WHICH ARE THE DESCRIPTION OF THE APPLICATION.AND THE ZONING STANDARDS THAT ARE COMPLIED WITH AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. I GO RIGHT TO THE GENERAL COMMENTS ON PAGE THREE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADED. ALL RIGHT. UNDER GENERAL COMMENTS PUMP HOUSE, AS WAS INDICATED AS THE INTRODUCTION THAT THE EXISTING PUMP HOUSES IN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. THE NEW PUMP HOUSE WILL BE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. BUT IT IS STILL WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP STREAM QUARTER. IT'S A PERMITTED STRUCTURE WITHIN TOWNSHIP STREAM QUARTER AND AS I'VE ALREADY SAID, UM, IT'S REPLACING AN EXISTING LAWFULLY EXISTING STRUCTURE. UM FOR THE BOARDS, INFORMATION. WE HAVE ALSO GAINED APPROVAL. FROM NJDEP FOR THAT PUMP HOUSE. UM WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN BUT WITHIN THE FLOOD HAZARD AREA. AND THAT, UH, APPROVAL IS UM, A FLOOD HAZARD. GH I'M I'M SORRY. FHG PC. SLOW SLOW, SLOW, FHG PC FIVE. PERMIT. ISSUE JULY 27TH 2026 EXCUSE ME, IT'S AN AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT FROM DP FOR THE PUMP HOUSE. UH, CONTINUING. UH ON GENERAL COMMENT, B. STAY WITH ME THAT LAST SENTENCE YES WITH REGARDS TO COMPLIANCE WITH A CRITICAL AREA ORDINANCE. IT'S A PERMITTED STRUCTURE WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP'S CRITICAL AREAS. LET'S JUST CONFIRM THAT UH YEAH. YES, OK. AND AS I'VE INDICATED, WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE GAINED, UH, NJDEP APPROVAL FOR THE DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE FLOOD HAZARD AREA. AND THE PLANS DO REFLECT. THE UPDATED FLOOD HAZARD AREA RULES WITH REGARDS TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE LIMITS OF THE FLOOD HAZARD AREA, SO WE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE JULY 2023 STATE. UH REGULATIONS CHANGE BY THE EP REGARDING FLOOD HAZARD AREAS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. UM OKAY, SO, UM THE PLANS REGARDING THE PUMP HOUSE WILL BE CLARIFIED TO THE ENGINEER. SATISFACTION TO ADDRESS NUMBER ITEM B. THAT'S ONE B UNDER GENERAL COMMENTS. UNDER ONE. C I'VE DESCRIBED THE INTENT OF THAT 15 INCH PIPE EXITING THE PUMP HOUSE AND ALREADY STATED THAT WE WILL ADD THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS TO THE ENGINEER SATISFACTION, INCLUDING THE RESTORATION OF THE CAR PATH THAT, UH NEW LINE FROM THE PUMP HOUSE TO THE POND. UH UNDERLYING UNDERGROUND PIPE WILL DISTURB AN EXISTING CAR PATH WILL PROVIDE DETAIL OF HOW THAT CAR PATH WILL BE RESTORED. ITEM D ONE D. UH, REGARDING LIGHTING ON THE PUMP HOUSE. WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY LIGHTING. BUT THERE PERHAPS WILL BE A BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT.
OF A BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHT AT THE DOORWAY TO THE LIGHT. OH, I'M SORRY. A DOORWAY TO THE PUMP HOUSE, SO WE'LL COMPLY WITH BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARDS TO LIGHTING, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC AREA LIGHTING PROPOSED AS PART OF THE PUMP HOUSE. THAT'S THAT'S TYPICAL OF WHAT, WHAT YOU FIND. UH, WE ADD NOTES TO THE RESTORATION OF THE FOOT. AREA OF THE EXISTING PUMP HOUSE TO BE REMOVED AND DEMOLISHED. AND THEN AGAIN, WE'LL PROVIDE TRENCH DETAILS UNDER ITEM F. THAT'S ONE F. WE, YOU KNOW, RELATING TO THE UNDERGROUND WATER LINES TO SERVICE THESE NEW AMENITIES. UNDER THE HEADING TENNIS HUT. ITEM TWO. ITEMS A THROUGH E. I HAVE OK NEXT TO ALL THOSE ITEMS NOW I HAVE OK. AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO CLARIFICATION, UH THERE IS AN EXISTING WALL ALONG THE EDGE OF THE TENNIS H FOR, UM YOU KNOW, EARTHWORK CONTROL.
THAT WILL BE DISTURBED AS PART OF THE TENNIS HUD, AND THERE'LL BE SOME HOLES KNOCKED IN IT,
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WHERE THE EXISTING TENANTS SITE IS TO BE REPLACED, AND WE'LL IDENTIFY THOSE DETAILS TO THE FORD ENGINEER SATISFACTION TO ADDRESS I AND THEN, UH, REGARDING LIGHTING. UM AGAIN . I THINK FROM A BUILDING WE'RE NOT. WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT A PRIOR APPLICATION A YEAR AGO. THE AREA LIGHTING FOR THE TENNIS COURTS THEMSELVES. THIS WOULD ONLY BE FROM A BUILDING CODE STANDPOINT, LIGHTING ATTACHED TO THAT TIN HUT. THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR PATHWAY OR AREA OR IN INTERIOR STRUCTURE, LIGHTING THAT IT'S LIKE KIND OF AN OPEN STRUCTURE. UM SO THERE'S NO AREA LIGHTING BEYOND WHAT THE BOARD ALREADY GRANTED APPROVAL FOR. OVER A YEAR AGO. NO LIGHTING IS PROPOSED. BUT YOU WILL COMPLY IF THERE'S A BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT, CORRECT. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM THERE. UM WITH REGARDS TO, UH WELL, ONE OR TWO D I'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED REGARDING IMPACTS TO EXISTING TREES. THERE ARE NONE. AND A TWO E. THE PATHWAY IS, UH, PAVERS. AND THESE WILL ALL BE CLARIFIED ON THE PLAN. BLESS YOU WITH EITHER ADDITIONAL DETAILS OR NOTES. ITEM UH, HEADING STORMWATER AT NUMBER THREE. THAT COMMENT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY CHANGES. IT JUST ACKNOWLEDGES I IDENTIFIES. THIS IS NOT A MAJOR PROJECT. NO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS REQUIRED. AND I THOUGHT HE'D GET THROUGH A WHOLE HEARING WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER. BUT AT LEAST WE GET TO TALK ABOUT THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY. AREN'T YOU HAPPY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. AND THEN ITEM, UH, PERMITS AN APPROVALS. FOR A IDENTIFIES THE NJDEP APPROVAL THAT WE'VE ALREADY SECURED AND AGAIN. AS WITH ANY APPLICATION, ANY OUTSIDE AGENCY APPLICATION OR OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT. THE APPLICANT WILL AGREE TO SECURE, INCLUDING WHAT'S LISTED THERE AS THE SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT OR AN EXEMPTION THERE? OKAY? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE WITNESS. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT FOR THE FOR THE WITNESS HERE ON THIS APPLICATION OTHER THAN WITH THE APPLICANT YES. SO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? IF YOU DO COME ON UP. AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS IDENTIFY YOURSELF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR ADDRESS. YOU HAVE SAVED YOUR TOWNSHIP OR NON TOWNSHIP RESIDENT. MHM. CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? GO UP TO THAT WIRELESS MIC. THANK YOU.AWAY. YOU KNOW, CAN YOU PICK UP THAT TAKE, TAKE THE WHOLE THING OUT OF IT, AND I UNDERSTAND EITHER HOLD IT OR PUT THE STAND ON TOP OF THE PODIUM. GET IT CLOSER TO YOU. I LIVE IN 205 ROLLING HILL ROAD. THE 15TH POLE THAT LOOKS AT PROPOSED. KIND OF STRUCTURE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR SO PLANS THAT I RECEIVED TODAY SHOWED A WIN. UNDERSTAND THAT. WHY DON'T YOU ASK THEM TO PUT THE PLAN UP ON THE SCREEN? YOU PUT THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN. HERE WE GO. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO AS A HOMEOWNER. LIKE I SAID, MY, UM. SO I JUST JUST WANNA CLARIFY THIS THERE, YOU'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR A LIKE CONCERNS AND OPINIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
THE POINT OF ME CALLING FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT OR FOR IT. IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE JUST TO CLAR CLARIFYING ANYTHING THAT, THE ENGINEER SAID. OR IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, YOU CAN HAVE
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THAT. YEAH OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PROGRAM, SO I GUESS I CAN GO BACK TO MY SEAT AND WRITE THEM DOWN. YOU. HERE. THANK YOU. IF BY LOOKING AT THE DO THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN AND OR THE SITE PLAN OR BOTH OF THEM IF HE CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM YOUR FIRST FLOOR WINDOW AT THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE AND YOUR SECOND FLOOR WINDOW EVERY EVERY WINDOW ON THE BACK SIDE OF MY HOUSE. WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT THE CONCERN IS WITH REGARDS TO THE ROOF. THIS PERGOLA AND IT IS IT IS A PERGOLA. UNDERSTOOD. OVER THE JUST THE CENTER PART THE CENTER PART THAT'S SIMILAR TO ROOF. THAT'S NOT A I HAVE MOST OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ELEVATION CHANGE AND THE OK, WE GET SO I WILL REVIEW THIS AND I'LL SIT BACK THERE AND WAIT FOR MY OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HERE'S IS THERE ANYTHING? OUT FROM THE AUDIENCE. I DON'T THINK SO. NO OTHER AUDIENCE MEMBERS WANT ANY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? BOARD QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, ENGINEER. CAN CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHAT THE AH SIZE OF THE HOME HOUSE IS BEING DEMOLISHED. YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NEW PUMP HOUSE YOU MENTIONED 28 BY 18. OK? IT'S ABOUT. IT'S A SCALES ABOUT 10 BY 12. WITH SMALLER THAN WHAT THE NEW PUMP HOUSE IS. SLIGHTLY SMALLER. AND IS THERE. WHAT'S THE REASON WHY IT NEEDS TO BE LARGER THAN THE PRIOR BUILDING.BUT I DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT THAT I DIDN'T DO THE DESIGN FOR THE PUMP HOUSE. SO THAT'S NOT MY MAYBE WE'LL CALL THE SUPERINTENDENT. I THINK THAT'S THE SIZE OF THE OLD PUMP OUT. 10 BY 12. WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED PUMPHOUSE? THAT WAS 18 BY 28. AND IS THIS AN UNDERGROUND PUMPHOUSE OR HOW FAR UP FROM THE GROUND IS THE PUMP IS UNDERGROUND, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF THAT HOUSES THE EQUIPMENT IS ABOVE GROUND ONE STORY. SO WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING 10 BY 12 PUMP HOUSE IN WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED 18 BY 28. I. I DON'T HAVE THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING I CAN GO TO THE COMPO PLANS FOR THE PA. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WE WANT THE ARCHITECTURAL PUMP HOUSE. YOU GOT IT? YEAH. THERE YOU GO. HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME. PLAY. EXCITED THAT THE HEIGHT, IT SAID, IS 7.7. AND THEN DO YOU KNOW HOW HIGH IT IS TO THE PEAK OF THAT ROPE? I DO NOT IT'S A DETAIL. 583 DETAIL THERE. IT DOESN'T SHOW EITHER.
IT'S 5/8 3. YEAH, I DON'T SEE THE WELL, LIKE MAYBE THE, UH WE CAN GET YEAH, WE CAN SCALE THAT OFF THE PLAN AND GET YOU A NUMBER. THIS IS A SCALE DRAWING RIGHT? RIGHT UM SO YOU GUYS HAVE A WHAT WAS THE QUESTION I RAISED IN MY REPORT IT SCALES IT'S JUST UNDER 13 FT. UTILIZING THEIR SCALE. THERE IS NO MEASUREMENT. WE OUR REPORT ASKS FOR A MEASUREMENT. SO THE PROPOSED 18 BY 28 PUMP HOUSE IS GET UNDER 13 FT. HIGH IS YOUR TESTIMONY BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU TOOK A SCALE TO MEASURE? YES, OK. AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE THERE WILL KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING ONE IN CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO KNOW. AND JUST THE 12 FT. NINE INCHES IS I USE THE SOFTWARE THAT I USED. THAT'S WHAT THE ONE THE NEW ONE, THE NEW ONE IS 12.9. AND HOPEFULLY ONE OF YOU TWO GUYS WILL KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING MEANING ONE OF THEIR TWO FACT WITNESSES. CAN I
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CAN I ASK WHY A NEW PUMP HOUSE WAS NEEDED. HE SAID HE DOESN'T KNOW BUT ONE OF THOSE TWO GUYS OVER THERE ONE OF THE OK, SORRY. UM AND. WHY DON'T YOU FINISH ASKING ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR MIKE FORD BEFORE YOU BRING YOUR FACT IN ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MIKE FOR THE ENGINEER. UH, YEAH, I YEAH, I DO. UM I THINK I THINK MIKE BOB CAN ANSWER THIS. UM THIS PUMP HOUSE DRAWS WATER FROM THE POND. CORRECT UM EXCLUSIVELY OR IS THERE A WELL ALSO I NOT AWARE OF THERE BEING THERE'S A WELL ON THE SITE, THE SUPERINTENDENT TALKED TO THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM ITSELF. OK YEAH. YEAH, THERE IS A WELL WE HAVE ACTUALLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN. OK? YEAH. SO IT'LL BE A NEW WELL BECAUSE IT'S A NEW PUMP HOUSE AND A NEW NO EXISTING WELL. OKAY? YEAH. OK? YES BUT YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TENNIS HOT. UM, IT SAYS IN THE, UM PLANNERS REVIEW THAT IT'S 25 FT HIGH IS THAT TO THE HIGHEST POINT AT THE TOP OF THE A SECTION IN THE, UH THE ROOF.THE ROOF IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH I THINK I ADDRESSED THE ENGINEER REVIEW MEMORANDUM. I THINK ALL THE COMMENTS AND THE PLANNERS MEMORANDUM WILL BE ADDRESSED BY OUR PLANNER. SO IS IT 25? I. I DIDN'T DO THE DESIGN OF THAT, EITHER, SO THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS ARE WHAT THEY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 25 FT HIGH TO WHAT MEASUREMENT IN OTHER WORDS TO THE PEAK OF THE ROOF OR TO THE ORDINANCE MEASUREMENT SOMEWHERE LESS THAN THE PEAK OF THE ROOF AND SOMEONE OUT THERE WILL ANSWER IT, BUT NOT HIM. OK AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THAT WOULD BE, UM, HOW HIGH IS THAT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE TREE HEIGHTS THAT ARE IN THE AREA? WELL. FROM UH, A GRADING STANDPOINT FROM A THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE ANSWER. UM, PUT IT THIS WAY.
YEAH. FORGET ABOUT IF YOU WHAT THE CLOSEST TREE TO THE TENNIS AND WHEN SHE WANTS TO KNOW IS HOW I ABOVE THE TENNIS IS YOUR CLOSEST. YEAH, THERE'S EXISTING TREES. TO THE SOUTH OF THE TENNIS. UM AND I THINK THIS IS TOWARD THE NEIGHBOR THAT GOT UP AND SPOKE AND THERE'S A THERE'S A GOLF HALL BETWEEN THERE'S THE TENNIS COURTS. THE TENNIS ART. A ROW OF TREES. AND THEN A GOLF HOLE AND SOME MORE VEGETATION. BUT I THINK WHAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE IS THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN GRADE. THAT, UH AS YOU MOVE TO THE SOUTH IF YOU WILL. ON THE TENNIS FROM THE TENNIS COURTS. TO THE TENNIS SAW. UP TO WHERE THE TREES ARE. THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN GRADE. SO YOU GOT THE ADVANTAGE OF THE TREES BEING UP ON A HIGHER ELEVATION GRADE GOING UP, NOT ATTRACTIVE GRADE GOING DOWN. AND I THINK THAT JAMES HAS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION OF HOW HIGH IS THE TENNIS SITE AND WHERE IS IT MEASURED FROM? SO IT'S. THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY GREAT CHANGES TO CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING. SO THE BUILDING HEIGHT DEFINITION IN THE ORDINANCE IS IT CREATES A SPECIAL CONDITION IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DO SOME GRADING. THEY ARE NOT. SO IT'S EXACTLY 25 FT FROM THE EXISTING GRADE TO THE TOP OF THIS BUILDING. YES WELL, ACCORDING TO USING THIS THE SCAN AND THEN HOW CLOSE IS THE TENNIS? HOT TO THE, UH UH THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL AREA. I THOUGHT I SAW THAT SOMEWHERE IN JAMES'S MAN. I THINK IT'S I. I BELIEVE IT'S 300 FT, BUT I HAVE TWO MEASUREMENTS IN HERE. YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE IT LABELED ON THE PLAN. THERE'S A THERE'S A TIE DISTANCE OF WELL, HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT.
JAMES'S MEMO. PAGE FIVE PARAGRAPH 1.7. SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE SAYS THE PROPOSED TENNIS IS PLUS OR MINUS 300 FT, AWAY FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL LOT, AND THEN HE SAYS THE PROPOSED 378.2 FT FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE AND PLUS OR MINUS 500 FT TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BOUNDARY. BUT MICHAEL FORD IS GOING TO HAVE AN ANSWER. BASED ON WHAT NOTE? IT'S ON THE PLAN. WE HAVE A DISTANCE. STEP BACK 268.8 FT. FROM THE CLOSEST POINT OF THE TENNIS, UH TO THE TO THE SOUTHERLY PROPERTY LINE. GIVE ME THAT AGAIN, THAT THAT FIGURE
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THAT YOU SHEET, TOO. IT'S 268.8 FT 258 OR 268 268 268 OK? YOU. AND TO THE LONG SECTION OF THE TENNIS HA! IT'S UH, ALMOST 300 FT. AND THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE. THE NEAREST NEIGHBOR. THE HOUSE IS FURTHER AWAY THAN THAT. OK? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR MR FORD? DID YOU WANNA ASK ANY MORE? CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO. OK, GREAT. UM NEXT WEDNESDAY. UH, OUR NEXT WITNESS IS OUR GOLF SUPERINTENDENT JAMES BRYSON BRYSON TO EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR THE UPGRADES FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. CAN YOU JUST GIVE? UH, THE BENEFIT OF YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING AT THIS CLUB? AND WHAT DO YOU DO THERE? THE GOLF COURSE. SUPERINTENDENT I TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE GROUNDS AND MAINTENANCE. SO WHY DO YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING PUMP HOUSE? UH, SO THE IDEA FOR THIS STARTED AFTER HURRICANE IDA WHEN THE CURRENT PUMP STATION FLOODED , IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PARTS THAT WERE NEEDED TO GET IT BACK UP AND RUNNING. UM THIS AREA THAT WE PROPOSE IS HIGHER ELEVATION AND DID NOT FLOOD DURING THAT EVENT. AND WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR THE INCREASE? IN? UH, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. TO THE CURRENT PROPOSED BUILDING OF 28 BY 18 THAT WOULD BE BASED OFF OF SAFETY SPECIFICATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT UM, WHEN YOU'RE IN THE BUILDING, IF YOU WERE TO TOUCH SOMETHING ELECTRICAL HAS ENOUGH SPACE FOR YOU TO BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY. I HAVE NO. AND THEN THERE'S A WELL ON THE PROPERTY THAT SERVICES THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THERE IS AND WE ALSO HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT, UM, THAT WE RE UP EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO BE ALLOWED TO DRAW. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR GREAT. UH, HOLD ON. JUST HANG TIGHT, REAL QUICK. UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GOLF COURSE, SUPERINTENDENT MICROPHONE, PLEASE. ANY OF THESE CHANGES WILL BE IN ANY WAY FROM CHANGE THE DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY OF THE GOLF COURSE. ACTUALLY ACTUALLY MAKES WHOLE SEVEN A LITTLE EASIER. I THINK, UH YEAH. ON A SERIOUS ANSWER NOW. NO, WE'RE NOT. GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT IS USED. THIS ISN'T FOR POTABLE WATER. THIS IS FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE LAW AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND THERE'S THIS THE SOURCE OF THE WATER PURE JUST THE WELL OR ARE YOU THERE'S ALSO SOME RUNOFF FROM THE GOLF COURSE THAT GOES INTO THE POND AS WELL TO REFILL IT. OKAY? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR, UH, THIS GOODNESS, NOTHING. RIGHT? OKAY OUR FINAL WITNESS IS ELIZABETH MCMANUS FROM KYLE MCMANUS IN HOPEWELL. SHE'S OUR PROFESSIONAL PLANNER.AND I THAT YOU GIVE THE BOARD THE EDIFICATION OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN PRACTICING, AND IF YOUR LICENSE IS STILL GOOD IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY SURE, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, MY LICENSE IS STILL GOOD. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL PLANNER. I HOLD MY N JP LICENSE. I'M ALSO, UH MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS. IT'S THE NATIONAL PLANNING LICENSE. ESSENTIALLY I'VE BEEN PRACTICING LAND USE IN NEW JERSEY FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. NOW I DO A LOT OF MUNICIPAL WORK, BUT I ALSO DO QUITE A BIT OF PRIVATE TESTIMONY. I'VE I'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH I THINK A COUPLE TIMES, BUT CERTAINLY ON THE MOST RECENT, UH, BEETS APPLICATION FROM 2023, AND I'VE TESTIFIED IN A VARIETY OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO PLACES LIKE, UH, BRIDGEWATER, RARITAN, TRENTON, NEW BRUNSWICK, LONG HILL, PRINCETON, BERNARDSVILLE, MOUNT LAUREL HOWELL AND A VARIETY OF OTHER PLACES. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THE BOARD WOULD LIKE. OK, NOW WE'LL ACCEPT YOU AND WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO OPERATE? UH TO REVIEW THE MARCH 11TH 2024. K AND HENCE, UH, PLAN A REVIEW MEMORANDUM. AND COULD YOU KIND OF GO OVER YOUR SUMMARY AND WITH RESPECT TO THE RELIEF NEEDED FOR THE DE USE V, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN WAIVERS UNDERSTAND? THERE'S TWO DESIGN WAIVERS ONE FOR THE TREES. AND ONE AND ONE FOR THE SIDEWALK WAIVER. YES, YES, I DID GET A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THE MEMO, AND, UH, MR CLAVELL, I THINK ACCURATELY IDENTIFIES THE RELIEF THAT'S NECESSARY, AS WAS STATED IN THE
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INTRODUCTION TO THIS APPLICATION . WE'RE HERE FOR A USE VARIANCE, BUT IT'S A BIT OF AN UNUSUAL USE VARIANCE IN THE SENSE THAT THIS IS A USE THAT HAS EXISTED SINCE 1963. SO FOR ABOUT 60 YEARS, AND WE'RE REALLY HERE TO REQUEST THAT D. ONE USE VARIANCE FOR TO, I THINK RELATIVELY QUITE SMALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. ONE, OF COURSE, IS THE PUMP HOUSE AND THE OTHER, OF COURSE, IS THE TENNIS. AND I'LL START WITH THE UH, POSITIVE CRITERIA FOR THOSE TWO USE VARIANCES, AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE, UH SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXCEPTIONS AND, OF COURSE, THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA.SO FOR THE USE VARIANCE? UH, THE QUESTION THAT THE BOARD MUST FIRST ASK ITSELF IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY IS PARTICULARLY SUITED FOR OUR PROPOSED USE FOR OUR, UH, FOR THE COUNTRY CLUB THAT INCLUDES NOW THE UPGRADE, HOPEFULLY NOW UPGRADED PUMP HOUSE AND THE TENANTS HUT. AND SO I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS THAT THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER. I DO THINK THAT THE SITE IS PARTICULARLY SUITED FOR THE GOLF COURSE. OR EXCUSE ME THE COUNTRY CLUB AS A WHOLE, PARTICULARLY SINCE THE SITE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 60 YEARS SINCE JUNE, 10TH 1963 YOU VARIANTS AND AT THAT USE VARIANCE IT GRANTED APPROVAL FOR THE GOLF COURSE FOR WHICH THE PUMP HOUSE WILL DIRECTLY SERVE AS WELL AS THE TENNIS COURTS. UH, WHICH THE TENNIS HUT WILL DIRECTLY SERVE AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES ON THE SITE. AND SO I THINK WHAT ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS SITE HAS VERY LONG STANDING HISTORY IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, PROVIDING RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, FOR REGIONAL RESIDENTS AS WELL AS FOR TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS, AND I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE COUNTRY CLUB ESTIMATES THAT ABOUT 30% OF ITS FAMILIES ARE ACTUALLY LOCATED HERE IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. BUT IN ADDITION TO ITS HISTORY IN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT THE SITE IS ALSO WELL SUITED OR PARTICULARLY SUITED TO THE USE BECAUSE IT'S A QUITE HONESTLY A PARTICULARLY PICTURESQUE PART OF MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE SOURLY MOUNTAINS. IT'S ALSO WITHIN A VERY QUITE A LOW DENSITY. UH SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY. OF COURSE, WE'RE IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, WHICH DICTATES FIVE ACRE LOTS. AND SO, UH, THIS COUNTRY CLUB, INCLUDING THE GULF AND THE TENNIS COURT. UH AND ACTUALLY, THE TENNIS IN PARTICULAR WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VIEWS THAT THIS PROPERTY OFFERS OF SOUR AND MOUNTAINS IN THE RURAL AREA. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THE LOW DENSITY NATURE OF OUR SITES ARE VERY LOW COVERAGES. I FIND THAT IT'S PARTICULARLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. BUT IN ADDITION TO THE OVERALL SUITABILITY OF THE SITE, I THINK THAT OUR PROPERTY IS ALSO SUITED FOR THE PARTICULAR ACCESSORY USES THAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT THIS EVENING. AND SO, AS I SAID, INITIALLY, THE TENNIS AND THE GOLF THOSE TWO USES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 60 YEARS, PART OF THE ORIGINAL USE VARIANCE. AND SO FOR THE PUMP HOUSE IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A NEW COMPONENT OF THE SITE. THIS IS SIMPLY A REPLACEMENT AND AN UPGRADE OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NECESSARY TO FACILITATE THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY OR THE LARGEST USE OF THE PROPERTY.
WHICH, OF COURSE, IS THE GOLF COURSE. UM WE KNOW THAT THE PUMP HOUSE IS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE IRRIGATION SO THAT THE SITE CAN FUNCTION IN THAT WAY. UH, AND ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PARTICULARLY NICE THINGS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION IN REGARD TO THE PUMP HOUSE IS NOT ONLY THE UPGRADED INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT IT CAN BETTER SERVE THE USE, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT WE'RE RELOCATING IT OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, AND WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO PROVIDE A MUCH IMPROVED DESIGN FOR THE PROPERTY OR FOR THE PUMP HOUSE. AND THEN FOR THE TENNIS HUT. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT A NEW USE OR A NEW ACTIVITY, EITHER. THIS IS SIMPLY REPLACEMENT OF AN EXISTING TENNIS HALL OR TENNIS VIEWING PAVILION WITH ONE THAT IS MORE COMFORTABLE AND, FRANKLY NICER LOOKING AS WELL. AND SO THIS IS, UH I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT THE UH, THE TENNIS PAVILION IS NOT GOING TO FACILITATE ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY ON THE SITE. IT DOESN'T FACILITATE ADDITIONAL MEMBERSHIP . IT'S SIMPLY AN IMPROVEMENT. AN IMPROVED FACILITY FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY UH, MEMBERS OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO THIS, TOO, WILL SUPPORT THE LONG STANDING TENNIS ACTIVITY ON THE SITE AND SO BECAUSE OF THE COUNTRY CLUBS LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT THE PUMP HOUSE AND THE TENNIS HUT PROVIDE FOR THIS LONG STANDING COMMUNITY USE, I THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN FIND THAT IT'S PARTICULARLY SUITED IN ADDITION TO THAT, FOR THE POSITIVE CRITERIA, THERE ARE ALSO THREE PURPOSES OF MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY OUR APPLICATION. THE FIRST ONE IS PURPOSE A, WHICH IS TO ENCOURAGE MUNICIPAL ACTION TO
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GUIDE THE APPROPRIATE USE OR DEVELOPMENT OF ALL LANDS IN THE STATE IN A MANNER WHICH WILL PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALS AND GENERAL WELFARE. PURPOSE G. WHICH IS TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SPACE AND APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR A VARIETY OF USES, INCLUDING COMMERCIAL AND OPEN SPACE, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, ACCORDING TO THEIR RESPECTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL NEW JERSEY CITIZENS AND THEN PURPOSE M, WHICH IS TO ENCOURAGE COORDINATIONS OF THE VARIOUS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROCEDURES AND ACTIVITY, SHAPING LAND DEVELOPMENT, WITH A VIEW OF LESSENING THE COST OF SUCH DEVELOPMENT AND TO MORE TO A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF LAND. AND I THINK THAT THE GENERAL WELFARE IS PROMOTED AND THE CO ORDINATION OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROCEDURES ARE PROMOTED BY THIS PRIVATE PROVISION OF RECREATION FACILITIES. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT SERVES TO REDUCE THE BURDEN. REDUCE THE, UH, THE NECESSITY OF PROVIDING, UH, RE RECREATION ACTIVITIES TO RESIDENTS, BECAUSE, AS I SAID, WE HAVE ABOUT 30% OF THE MEMBERSHIP MEMBERSHIP. FAMILIES AT THE BEANS BOOK COUNTRY CLUB ARE ACTUALLY MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS. AND SO AS THEY, UH AS THEY UTILIZE THIS GOLF COURSE OR THIS COUNTRY CLUB. IT REDUCES UH, THE ACTIVITY THAT THEY MIGHT OTHERWISE OR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES THAT THEY MIGHT OTHERWISE USE TOWNSHIP PARKS FOR IN ADDITION, I THINK THAT THIS 60 YEAR OLD COUNTRY CLUB IS IN AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR SOME OF THE REASONS I CITED DURING THE PARTICULAR SUITABILITY IN THE SENSE THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE GOLF COURSE, IS REALLY ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SWEEPING VIEWS OF THE SAUERLAND MOUNTAINS AND ARE ABLE TO DO SO REALLY, WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OR DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. UM AND SO, UH, ON THE APPROPRIATENESS. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ONE MORE ITEM IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, AND I KNOW WE HEARD THIS TESTIMONY DURING MIKE FORD'S MOMENTUM A LITTLE WHILE AGO. WE HAVE, UH, NEARLY 300 FT TO THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE FOR THE TENNIS HUT AND THEN FOR THE HOUSE. EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE NEARLY 400 FT ABOUT 380 FT TO THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE. SO AS I TALK ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION, YES, THE SITE IS ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. THIS BEAUTY IN THE AREA OF MONTGOMERY , BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE PUMP HOUSE AND THE TENNIS HUT SPECIFICALLY ARE LOCATED IN IN A SPOT ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S UH WHERE THERE'S VERY LITTLE IMPACT IN AN APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE FUNCTION THAT THEY'LL SERVE ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THAT THAT LACK OF IMPACT. AND SO FOR THESE REASONS, I THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN FIND THAT PURPOSES AND M ARE SUPPORTED. AND BEFORE I ADDRESS THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA, I JUST WANT TO, UH, ADDRESS THE TWO DESIGN WAIVERS AND I'M GOING TO START WITH THE TREES. UH, THE TREE RELIEF, OF COURSE, IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PROPERTY PROVIDE 14 TREES PER GROSS ACRE OF LAND THAT WOULD RESULT IN NEARLY 2500 TREES BEING PLANTED ON THE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT COMPLIANCE WITH THAT IS CLEARLY IMPRACTICAL, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF TREES BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE FUNDAMENTAL PURPOSE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE OPEN SPACE. FOR THE PURPOSE OF GOLF AND ALSO OPEN SPACE FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENJOYING THESE VIEWS. UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS IMPRACTICAL, GIVEN THE FACT THAT OUR PROPOSAL HAS A VERY LIMITED AREA OF DISTURBANCE OF LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE ANY SINGLE TREE ON THIS PROPERTY. AND SO, UH, BUT YET DESPITE THE RELIEF, I WANNA NOTE THAT, UH, I THINK THAT WE'RE STILL FULFILLING THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE BY NOT REMOVING ANY TREES AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT OF OPEN LAND, IF YOU VISIT THE PROPERTY, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE ARE QUITE A BIT OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY. AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT AS IF THIS IS A SITE THAT'S DEVOID OF TREES, IT JUST SIMPLY THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS A BIT INCOMPATIBLE WITH 14 TREES PER ACRE. THE SECOND DESIGN WAIVER WAS, OF COURSE FOR SIDEWALKS AND , UH YES, THIS WAS GRANTED OUR LAST APPLICATION, AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THE TREE WAIVER WAS AS WELL AND I THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN CONTINUE TO GRANT THE WAIVER FOR PROVIDING SIDEWALKS AND THEY CAN DO SO BY CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THIS SITE WHILE IT PROVIDES A GREAT RECREATION OUTLET, IT IS NOT A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RECREATIONAL OUTLET.AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT THIS IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN DESTINATION IN THE AND IN FACT, THE VAST
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MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS ARE NOT WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. AND SO FOR THAT REASON, AS WELL AS THE LACK OF PUBLIC ACCESS, THIS IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN DESTINATION. AND SO I THINK THAT THE BOARD SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT SIDEWALKS ALONG, UH ALONG OUR FRONTAGE ARE REALLY NOT NECESSARY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NICE ABOUT, UH ROLLING HILLS ROAD AND ALSO DUNCAN, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE THAT THESE ARE VERY LOW SPEED ROADS WITH LOW TRAFFIC VOLUMES. AND UH, I THINK THAT IT'S A IT'S A LOCATION THAT GENERATES VERY LITTLE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT LOW SPEED AND LOW VOLUME, THOSE THAT MIGHT BE, UH, ENJOYING A WALK IN THE EVENING CAN DO SO AND FEEL SAFE WITHOUT THE NEED FOR SIDEWALKS. SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA FOR THIS APPLICATION. I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE ZONE PLAN. I THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN FIND THAT THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE ZONE PLAN AS A RESULT OF THIS APPLICATION. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE OF A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT I FOUND IN THE MASTER PLAN.UH, STARTING WITH, UH, YOUR 2001 RE EXAMINATION REPORT ON PAGE 44 . THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE GOAL THAT IS CITED AND THAT IS TO IS THE WHICH WE IT WAS, UH, OPEN SPACE GOLD NUMBER TWO IN THE 2001 RE EXAMINATION REPORT ON PAGE 44. IT STATES TO PROVIDE A SOURCE OF PASSIVE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF PRESENT AND FUTURE TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS. AND SO YES, THE COUNTRY CLUB IS, UH, IS PREDOMINANTLY ACTIVE RECREATION, BUT I STILL WANT TO CITE THAT BECAUSE THE COUNTRY CLUB PROVIDES, UH A REALLY SIGNIFICANT RECREATIONAL SOURCE IN THE COMMUNITY, IN PART FOR MONTGOMERY RESIDENTS AGAIN, 30% OF OUR FAMILIES AND WHILE IT FOCUSES ON ACTIVE RECREATIONAL LIKE TENNIS IN GOLF, UH, THE SHEER BEAUTY OF THE SIGHT AND FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT BE SITTING AND ENJOYING THE PROPERTY DOES INDEED PROVIDE AN ELEMENT OF PASSIVE RECREATION. IN ADDITION, IN YOUR 2017 RE EXAMINATION REPORT GOAL ONE ON PAGE SIX. IT CITES THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP SHOULD MAINTAIN THE CONTINUITY OF THE TOWNSHIP'S PLANNING PROCESS AND BUILD UPON AND REFINE THE PAST PLANNING DECISIONS OF THE MUNICIPALITY CONSISTENT WITH PRESENT LOCAL AND REGIONAL NEEDS, DESIRES AND OBLIGATIONS.
AND I CITED THAT BECAUSE, UH, THE YOUTH VARIANCES THAT WILL THAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS SIMPLY A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING USE AND FACILITATES IMPROVEMENTS OF THE YOUTH THROUGH IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE PUMP HOUSE THAT WILL SERVE THE GOLF COURSE AND THROUGH A REPLACEMENT OR AN UPGRADE OF THE TENNIS WILL THAT WILL CONTINUE AND IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE OF ENJOYING THE TENNIS COURTS ON THE PROPERTY. AND OF COURSE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE CONTINUATION, I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS SITE ALSO HAS A LONG HISTORY OF APPROVALS. FROM 1963 2003, 2007, 2010 AND THEN, OF COURSE, MOST RECENTLY IN 2023, OR ANY THOUGHTS ON WHY THE TOWNSHIP HASN'T REZONED THIS TO MAKE IT A PERMITTED USE. I. I DON'T KNOW. SPECIFICALLY I. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE ANY BEEN ANY SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS? UH, ABOUT, UH, ADDING THIS USE TO THE DISTRICT I. I FIND THAT IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY. I MEAN, WE'RE I WAS GONNA GIVE SOME TESTIMONY ON THIS IN MEDICI, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S UH, SURPRISING TO SEE THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS NOT INCORPORATED A NEW COUNTRY CLUB USE MEANING A NEW LINE ITEM AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE ZONE DISTRICT. THESE ARE NOT USES THAT ARE TYPICALLY BEING AT LEAST TO MY KNOWLEDGE BEING CREATED IN THE STATE, AND SO I'M JUST SIMPLY NOT SURPRISED TO SEE THE MUNICIPALITY TAKE A CHANGE IN DIRECTION AND NOW INCORPORATE THE USE INTO ITS OWN DISTRICT. JUST CURIOUS. THAT'S FINE. UM UH AND SO I DO WANNA FLAG THAT FOR, UH, HOW THE BOARD CAN RECONCILE THE VARIANCES. BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO ADDITIONAL MASTER PLAN GOALS THAT MR CLAVELL CITED IN HIS REPORT ON PAGE 13. HE CITED FIRST THE 2017 RE EXAMINATION REPORT ON PAGES SIX THROUGH EIGHT. IT CITED. UH ITEM. UH, GOAL TWO, RATHER THE IDENTITY OF THE TOWNSHIP AS A TOTALITY AND THE INTEGRITY OF INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS SHOULD BE PRESERVED, ENHANCED AND CREATED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
OUR APPLICATION DOES THAT IT ALLOWS US TO, UH, TO CONTINUE THIS EXISTING USE AND TO DO SO IN A WAY THAT IS ENHANCED, ENHANCED FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PROVIDING, UH, A BETTER
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FUNCTIONING, UH, PUMP HOUSE THAT WILL SERVE THE IRRIGATION AND THE GOLF COURSE NEEDS AND ALSO, FRANKLY DOING SO OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD. UM AND ALSO, UH, SIMPLY ENHANCING THE ABILITY OF TENNIS ACTIVITIES TO BE ENJOYED ON THE PROPERTY. THE SECOND GOAL THAT WAS CITED AGAIN FROM THE SAME RE EXAMINATION REPORT ON PAGES SIX THROUGH EIGHT IS GOAL THREE. AND THAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOULD RECOGNIZE THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE TOWNSHIP AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE INHERENT CAPABILITIES AND LIMITATIONS OF THE LAND TO HOST DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AT APPROPRIATE DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES. AND I WANNA I WANTED TO CITE THIS NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS IN HIS REPORT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE I THINK THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT OUR PROPOSAL HAS NO CHANGE TO THE INTENSITY. WE'RE NOT HERE ASKING FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE PARKING LOT OR SOME OTHER CHANGE THAT WOULD FACILITATE AND ENHANCE MEMBERSHIP BASE AND MORE ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY. INSTEAD THIS IS JUST SIMPLY UPGRADES TO EXISTING FACILITIES ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE'RE GONNA DO SO WITH NO CHANGE TO THE IMPERVIOUS COVER. NO CHANGE TO THE BUILDING COVER. EITHER. AND SO THEN THE VERY LAST THING THAT I NEED TO ADDRESS WITH FOLKS IS ANY DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD, AND I THINK THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD, MUCH LESS ANY SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT. SO GENERALLY, THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY WOODLANDS. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT TREES ALONG THE PERIPHERY OF THE PROPERTY. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS WE AS I CITED, AS MR FORD CITED, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT DISTANCES FROM THESE TWO PROPOSED, UH, STRUCTURES TO THE EXISTING SURROUNDING RESIDENCES. WE HAVE, UH, ABOUT 300. AND EXCUSE ME, UH, ABOUT 380 FT TO THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE FOR THE PUMP HOUSE THAT IS BLOCK 31 001 11.03. AND WE HAVE ABOUT 780 FT TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME BLOCK AND LOT. IT'S THE SAME, UH, PROPERTY LINE IN RESIDENCE THAT I'VE JUST CITED.SO ALMOST 800 FT TO THE NEAREST HOUSE FOR THE PUMP HOUSE. FOR THE TENNIS H WE HAVE ABOUT 300.
EXCUSE ME. 270 FT. WE JUST HEARD FROM, UH UH, FOR MISTER FORD IN REGARD TO THE SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND ABOUT 380 FT. SET BACK TO A HOME FOR I BELIEVE BLOCK 31 0011. 53 AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, ABOUT 285 FT TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN 365 TO THE HOME FOUR BLOCK 31 001 WHAT? 17.01.
SO UH, SIGNIFICANTLY SO MORE THAN 300 FT TO THE NEAREST HOME ON THE PART OF THE TENNIS PAVILION. BUT IN ADDITION TO THESE DISTANCES FOR THE PUMP HOUSE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THIS NEW PUMP HOUSE IS DRASTICALLY BETTER LOOKING THAN THE EXISTING ONE. THE EXISTING PUMP HOUSE IS AN OLD CONCRETE BLOCK AND WOOD BUILDING WITH AN AGING ROOF. UH, COMPARED TO THE NEW PUMP HOUSE, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH HAS STONE VENEER ON IT. I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IN, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE APPEARANCE OF THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND IT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR THOSE RESIDENCES THAT ARE WITHIN VIEW OF THIS PUMP HOUSE. THE OTHER BENEFIT TO THE OTHER. THE OTHER, UH, I WOULD SAY, ACTUALLY, COMMUNITY BENEFIT FOR THE PUMP HOUSE IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING IT FURTHER FROM ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, GETTING IT OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN AND MOVING IT FROM DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE POND ESSENTIALLY TO AROUND A BIT MORE THAN 100 AND 20 FT FROM THE POND, AND I THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT AS WELL. FOR THE TENNIS H. UH I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT'S LOCATED BETWEEN THAT HUT AND THE NEAREST PROPERTY TO THE TO THE REAR. I GUESS AS YOU WOULD TERM IT. WE HAVE EXISTING TREES IN THIS AREA THAT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF 25 FT, SO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE OF THE STRUCTURE. AND SO IT'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME FILTERING OF THE VIEW. I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED TO, UH, TENNIS HUT WHILE IT'S WHILE IT IS A BIT LARGER, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER IN TERMS OF ITS WIDTH OF ITS FOOTPRINT. YES, WE HAVE THE PAVILIONS. UH, BUT THE BUT THE RESULT IS THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF UH, LIGHT AIR OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE VISIBLE THROUGH THE PUMP HOUSE. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A SOLID STRUCTURE THAT SPANS NOT ONLY, UH, THE BUILDING OUT TO THE DECK. INSTEAD IT'S JUST SIMPLY RELATIVELY SMALL BUILDING WITH PAVILIONS AND DECKS ON EITHER SIDE THAT WILL THAT WILL HAVE LESS VISUAL IMPACT. AND SO EVEN WITH OUR OUR PROPOSAL, WE ARE STILL AT ABOUT 2.2% IN
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PREVIOUS COVER COMPARED TO 8% PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT AND WE'RE STILL AT 3.62% BUILDING COVER COMPARED TO 15% IN THE DISTRICT. THAT'S THE SAME AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THAT IS HOW SMALL OUR IMPROVEMENTS ARE. THESE TWO CHANGES DON'T EVEN DON'T CHANGE THE PERCENT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER OR BUILDING COVER. AND SO OVERALL, I THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN FIND AND I CERTAINLY FIND THAT THE PROPOSAL IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE FUNCTION OF THE SITE. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE ACTIVITY LEVEL. UH OR NOR DOES IT, UH, CHANGE OR FACILITATE A LARGER MEMBERSHIP BASE. INSTEAD IT'S JUST SIMPLY ALLOWS FOR UPGRADED INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO DO SO IN A WAY THAT, UH, WILL ALLOW THE COUNTRY CLUB TO REMAIN HARMONIOUS WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. AND SO WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, WE'LL TURN FIRST TO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. UH, SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNER? RIGHT? THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNER? YOU MENTIONED THAT THE EXPANSION OF THE TENNIS WOULD NOT INCREASE MEMBERSHIP.BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FLOW OF THE CURRENT MEMBERSHIP TO THAT AREA? SINCE THERE IS A LARGER UM OPPORTUNITY TO A LARGER SPACE TO VIEW MATCHES, ET CETERA. AND I GUESS THEN MY OTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS, UH, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED USE OF THE TENNIS? HOT? UM AND THERE BE PARTIES THERE. WILL THERE BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEMBERSHIP TO BRING IN GUESTS? IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I THINK THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO DEFER THE, UH WHAT ACTIVITIES MIGHT OCCUR WITHIN THE TENNIS H TO, UH TO ONE OF OUR OTHER WITNESSES. YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW OR SHOULD WE WAIT? ONCE YOU FINISH ASKING HER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL GET FUNERAL MANAGER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION. JUST UH, ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE ON THIS VIEWING AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALSO FOR YEAH. I MEAN, UM, AND MY QUESTION WAS, UH, THE ISSUE THAT MR COVELLI RAISED IN HIS MEMO REGARDING, UH THE RESTROOM. THAT IS AD A COMPLIANT, BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS NOT AD A COMPLIANT AND IT WOULD IT I JUST WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE. I THE BEST? UH, NO EXPERT IN AD A COMPLIANCE, BUT I CAN CONFIRM THAT ANY ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY WILL WILL COMPLY WITH AD A REQUIREMENTS. UM UM, THAT THAT'S CONFUSING WITH THE STAIRWELLS. AND WITH THE STAIRCASES. UH, IF YOU CAN MAYBE EXPAND ON THAT. CLARIFY WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IN YOUR MEMO, JAMES. SO MY COMMENT IS ON.
PAGE EIGHT ITEM 3.3. UM I DID NOT. SO I SAID THAT THE BATHROOM IS AD. UM IT. AD A IS DIFFERENT THAN ACCESSIBILITY. SO MY CONCERN GENERALLY IS THE SECOND LEVEL OF THAT BUILDING IS NOT ACCESSIBLE. I CANNOT SAY THAT IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH AD. OK, SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT FROM LIKE, A LOT A LEGAL STANDPOINT, BUT, UM THERE IS NO ACCESSIBLE MANNER TO GET UP THOSE. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WE HAD. SO WE BROUGHT THAT UP. THAT THAT IS MY CONCERN AS WELL. SO I JUST FIGURED I WOULD USE YOUR LANGUAGE. NO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YEAH NO, OF COURSE, AND I IF I WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH, I'LL I'LL ALWAYS TRY TO BE OK? GREAT I DON'T THINK SO. THANK YOU, MISS MCMANUS. I THINK OUR OUR NEXT WITNESS. OUR FINAL WITNESS IS CRAIG CAMPBELL. HE IS THE GENERAL MANAGER MANAGER FOR THE BEATEN BROUGH CLUB.
SPELLED I BELIEVE IT WAS ALREADY SPELLED EARL EARLIER, BUT I JUST, UH CRAIG CAMPBELL, C AM, PB ELL. I'VE BEEN THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE CLUB FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS. JUST GIVE ME THREE PENDING QUESTIONS. GOT IT. ANY PARTIES IN THE TENNIS HALL, WHERE YOU PLAN FOR TENNIS SET IN TERMS OF SOCIAL ACTIVITIES. CAPACITY OF THE PEN. AND WHY ISN'T THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE TENNIS HUT? ACCESSIBLE. THERE IS NO CHANGE TO ACTIVITY. THERE'S NO CHANGE TO ATTENDANCE. NO
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CHANGE TO ACTIVITIES. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF ACTIVITIES WILL THERE BE IN THE 10? THERE WILL BE VIEWING. THERE'LL BE THERE'S AN OFFICE IN THERE. THERE'S A COFFEE MAKER. UM OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S JUST A, UH THERE'S A SHOP. BUT IT'S VERY MUDDY. THERE'S NO PARTIES THERE.THERE WON'T BE ANY MAJOR PARTIES. NO TOURNAMENT. TOURNAMENTS THERE'S NO US T A TOURNAMENTS, THERE'S CLUB. FUNCTIONS WHICH A RE THE W. YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW? YEAH, SAME THING. THE CAPACITY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THE TENNIS COURT IS? I'M GOING TO. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T. I'M NOT GONNA GUESS. BUT IT'S YEAH, I WON'T GET AND UM, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE AN ELEVATOR OR SOMETHING TO MAKE THE WELL, THE VIEWING CAN BE YOU CAN VIEW FROM THE GROUND FLOOR. ALSO IF YOU WANNA, UH, VIEW A MATCH, THERE'S VARIOUS AREAS YOU COULD DO THAT. MM-HMM ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER. I THINK I'M SORRY. THE CURRENT THE CURRENT, UH, 10 HAD IS ONE STORY IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY THE IT'S THE SAME. CUT IS ONE STORY. IT'S VERY IT'S VERY SIMILAR. IT'S UPSTAIRS, ONE STORY OR TWO STORIES. IT IS. THE BUILDING IS TWO STORIES. WITH A MAINTENANCE. SHED UNDERNEATH OF IT RIGHT NOW. SO THE MAIN MAIN FLOOR OF THIS IS, I GUESS YOU IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A SECOND FLOOR, YOU CAN CALL IT A SECOND FLOOR. THE MAIN FLOOR FOR OBSERVING TENNIS IS UPSTAIRS. YOU COULD SAY THAT. YES, YES. SO IF, UM AND AN ELDERLY OR DISABLED PERSON WANTED TO GET UP THERE NOW, CAN THEY JUST IS THIS IS THE NEW STRUCTURE. UH, LESS ACCESSIBLE THAN THE STRUCTURE IS THERE? NO, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. ACCESSIBILITY WISE IF SOMEONE WERE IN A WHEELCHAIR FOR EXA M NOW CORRECT AND THEY WANTED TO BE A TENNIS MATCH. THEY COULDN'T GO UPSTAIRS THEY WOULD WATCH ON THE GROUND FLOOR. IS THERE A STORE IN THE CURRENT BUILDING? I WOULD NOT CALL THE STORY. A COUPLE OF T SHIRTS HUNG UP ON THE WALL. BUT SO THE NEW CHILDREN WILL HAVE A STORE. IT'S I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A STORE, BUT IT'S A IT'S A GATHERING OF CAROL. MAYBE. SMALL NOT MUCH, BUT WE HAVE A VERY SMALL MEMBERSHIP. WE DON'T YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU'RE EXPANDING THE THINGS OFFERED FOR SALE OR THE NUMBER THE AMENITIES CORRECT. IT'S NOT. THE SIZE IS NOT REALLY THAT INCREASED. IT'S THE ACTIVITIES WON'T BE INCREASED. WE DON'T WANNA GET TOO BUSY.
ALRIGHT A RE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, GREAT. UM DO YOU? DO? YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? A RE WE KIND OF SKIPPED AROUND. ALL RIGHT. UH, THEN I THINK, UH, ARE YOU CONCLUDED WITH YOU SAID THIS WAS YOUR FINAL WITNESS. YES YEAH, ALL RIGHT. UH, THEN I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. I THINK IT. SO NOW I'M GONNA SWEAR YOU IN. CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY AND COMMENTS YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH? CAN YOU PULL THAT MICROPHONE OUT? STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, MARK EISENACH. IN ACH ER. AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT 25. SOUNDS GREAT, AND I WONDERFUL.
NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS TO I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS IT RELATES. PROVISIONS TO THE TENNIS SITE. UNFORTUNATELY, I BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT THERE AND THEN KIND OF FUEL THROUGH USING THE EXISTING TENNIS SET IS VIEWABLE. YES. UM SO ANY ANY CHANGE IN SCALE?
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ULTIMATELY AFFECTS. AND COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT MY CRAFT. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BROOK AND I PLAY TENNIS. MY WIFE PLAYS TENNIS AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IF YOU GET, HOPEFULLY JUST A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT HOW IT ALL WORKS. AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS ALL CAME TOGETHER FOR ME TODAY. I'M LEARNING ABOUT ALL OF THIS. LAST FOUR HOURS. PLANS I WAS SENT THIS AFTERNOON ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE PLANS THAT JUST SAW 15 MINUTES AGO. I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW SOME PHOTOS THAT I THINK ARE RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION AND THESE ARE PHOTOS THAT YOU TOOK. HOW MANY PHOTOS DO YOU HAVE? I HAD ONE FROM MY BACK COURT YOU SHOW THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY FIRST. JUST GET HIS REACTION AND SHOW ME GET MY REACTION AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE IF THEY'RE GOING IN. AND YOU TOOK THESE YOURSELF CORRECT. I DID WITH WITH MY IPHONE. AND YOU TOOK THEM TODAY. I DID? YES OK, SO YOU TO YOUR TESTIMONY THAT BOTH OF THESE PHOTOS ACCURATELY REFLECT THE CONDITIONS. FROM YOUR BACKYARD LOOKING OVER TO THE CLUB. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO I HAVE A I HAVE A RANGE FINDER. ANY OBJECTION TO THE NO OBJECTION, MR DRILL. WHICH ONE? DO YOU WANT ME TO MARK AS WE'RE GOING TO CALL THESE E EXHIBITS FOR YOUR LAST NAME, E ONE AND E TWO. WHICH ONE? DO YOU WANT TO GO AS FAR ONE IS FROM HAVE YOU? THAT ONE. ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON.THIS IS E TWO. WHAT I WANNA DO. VERY GOOD THAT YOU HAVE THAT MICROPHONE. TO DO LIKE A PHIL DONAHUE THING. COME BACK OVER HERE. THESE AND THEN WALK UP AND DOWN. YOU CAN SHOW THE BOARD YOU CAN SHOW THESE GUYS TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANNA TELL THEM, SHOWING THEM THE PICTURES.
DESCRIBE E. ONE IS A PHOTO OF WHAT E. ONE WOULD BE THE PHOTO FROM MY RIGHT? PHOTO OF WHAT TAKEN FROM YOUR BACK. MY BACKYARD ONTO THE GOLF POLE ONTO THE MAYBE I CAN JUST LEAVE THEM IN YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT. MORE EFFICIENT THAN ME WALKING AROUND. UM SO YES, THE FIRST PHOTO FROM FARTHER AWAY WOULD BE A SECOND IS FROM MY FENCE LINE. 385 FT FROM THE PATIO. 300 75 SO 185 SO POSE THE STRUCTURE MOVES CLOSER TO MY WHICH LARGER AND THEN YOU'RE CLOSER. AND THE STRUCTURE ALSO GETS BIGGER. UH, ALSO, I SAW TODAY AT A ROOF. YOU ARE ON THE TWO SIDES. YOU GOT A ROOF IN THE MIDDLE. EXTENDS. WE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE CENTER STRUCTURE, WHICH IS 4 TO 6 FT.
YOU CAN EITHER SIDE HOLD ON ONE SECOND, SO NO ONE HAS ASKED ABOUT THE PUMP HOUSE, BUT NO ONE ASKED. WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING HUT FOOTPRINT? AND WHAT IS THIS SIZE OF THE PROPOSED NEW FOOTPRINT. AND MAYBE JAMES, YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW A LITTLE HAND, OK? HOW ABOUT, UH, LET'S GO BACK TO MICHAEL FORD. CAN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN? AND WE'RE GOING TO LET HIM KEEP ON GOING. BUT FIND OUT WHAT THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING HEART.
VERSUS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED TITLE. KEEP KEEP ON GOING. SURE SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE DISTANCES UM O OVERALL. AFTERNOON. SORRY THIS EVENING IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT I SAW TODAY. A ROOF, A UM 80 FT. A YOU A STILL ALTERS. YOU AND I DON'T AGAIN LIKE THIS IS NOT ME SO MUCH AS I WANT TO SAY MORE ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUE AND ONE DAY WE MIGHT NOT LIVE THERE SO SOMEONE ELSE'S VIEW IN THE FUTURE, POTENTIALLY UM BUT YEAH, THERE'S UH, CERTAINLY SOME CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE, THE SIZE, THE SCALE AND HOW IT IMPACTS. YOU'VE GOT YOU. DO WE
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HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE FOOTPRINT YET? MICHAEL FORD. FORD THIS IS, UH, ACTUALLY ON PLAN SHEET FOUR.THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. IT'S ENTITLED SITE PLAN TENNIS H. LESS REVISED JANUARY 8TH 2024, AND THERE'S A SUMMARY OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. THE EXISTING TENNIS HUT, FIRST FLOOR. FOOTPRINT IS 261 SQUARE FEET, AND THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT IS 275 SQUARE. SO THE ESSENTIALLY A 14. BUT SQUARE FOOT CHANGE THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS. OF EXISTING 261 SQUARE FEET. IS IT A RECTANGLE? WILL IT IT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. UH, IT'S A IT'S A BASICALLY, I'LL SAY, UH I DON'T KNOW. WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT AS A CROSS THE PROFESSIONALS OVER THERE IS A LONG RECTANGLE ADJACENT TO THE TO THE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS AND THEN THE MIDDLE SECTION. WHERE THERE'S THAT ROOF PORTIONED. UM EXTENDS OUT THE REAR OF THE LONGER RECTANGLE. WHICH IS THE PLATFORM FOR THE VIEWING. PUT IT THIS WAY . DO YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE FROM THE END OF THE ONE EXTENSION TO THE END OF THE OTHER EXTENSION. YEAH, THIS IS ALSO ON PLAN SHEET FOUR. UM 28 FT. THE MIDDLE SECTION IS 22 FT WIDE AND ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT THE PLATFORM SECTIONS ARE 28 FT. 28 PLUS 28 IS 5656. PLUS, 22 IS I WANT HIM TO USE THE 78 FT LONG? YES.
YEAH, THESE DIMENSIONS A RE ACTUALLY ON SHEET FOUR. ARE THEY ? THE DIMENSION OF THE EXISTING? IS 78 FT. LONG, CORRECT. RIGHT? WHAT'S THE DIMENSION OF THE PROPOSED NO, NO, I THAT WAS THE DIMENSION OF THE PROPOSED. I'M READING THE PROPOSED. WHAT'S THE DIMENSION OF THE EXISTENCE? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IS THERE A DEPICTION IN ANY OF THE PLANS SO SOMEONE CAN USE A SCALE ? THERE IS NOT A DEPICTION ON ANY OF THE PLANS. SO ON SHEEP FOUR, MY REPORT, I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING TENNIS AND ON SHEEP. SO PAGE FOUR OF MY REPORT AND ALSO ON SHEET FOUR OF THE PLAN. THERE'S A NOTE THAT SAYS EXISTING OBSERVATION DECK TO BE REPLACED. SO MY QUESTION MIGHT BE FOR MR CAMPBELL IS. IS IT A LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT? OK, SO THE OBSERVATION DECK WILL BE THE SAME. IN THE FUTURE AS IT IS NOW. OK? IS THAT CLEAR? OK, SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY THE SAME.
LENGTH. SO AND MISTER DJI DI JUST VERIFY STATING THAT SO? JUST TO I GUESS. GO BACK TO WHAT? MR. IW, UH, EISENACH SAID. THE IT IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE THAT THE EXISTING TENANT SITE IS DEEPER. SO, SO THE BUILDING ITSELF IS PROBABLY AGAIN, THERE'S NO DIMENSION. IT APPEARS THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS PROBABLY ABOUT THAT'S PROBABLY 13 TO 15 FT, MAYBE CLOSER THE EDGE OF THAT BUILDING TO THE PROPERTY. BUT IF YOU LOOK ON SHEET FOUR, YOU'LL SEE, UM CAN YOU PUT UP THERE? THE KEYS. IN LIKE. SO YOU'LL SEE. THERE'S DASHED LINES THAT, UH, THAT THAT THAT MAKES THAT THAT'S EXISTING OUT. NOW, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL UH, I SEE. SO IT'S COMING . YOU'RE SAYING IT'S 13 FT EXACTLY. RIGHT THE DASH LINES AT THE BOTTOM OF, UH OF THE CENTER PORTION. WHERE THE WHERE THE AD, A FOR THE BATHROOM IS AND EVERYTHING THOSE TWO DASH LINES THAT THAT ARE POINTED TO IT, SAYS EXISTING VIEWING ROOM TO BE DEMOLISHED. SO THAT THAT'S THE I IMAGINE THAT'S PRESUMABLY THE EDGE OF THAT BUILDING. ALONG THAT THAT PERIPHERY, RIGHT? BASICALLY WHAT THE PLAN SHOWS. MR FORD IS THE PROPOSED 10 SET IS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME SIZE AND DIMENSIONS AS THE EXISTING ONE. EXCEPT THE PROPOSED IS 13 FT. CLOSER. MR EISEN, A CORRECT OUT THE BACK. HEIGHT WISE. THE HEIGHTS. COMPARE EXISTING WELL, THE PROPOSED IS 25 FT. WHAT'S THE EXISTING 21. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHY DID YOU BUY THE HOUSE RIGHT IN VIEW OF
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THE EXISTING DENTIST HUB. THERE WERE UM LOTS OF HOUSES AVAILABLE FOR SALE LAST YEAR. SO I THAT ONE. GIVEN THE SUPPLY CONSTRAINTS IN THE YEAH. I ALSO LIKE THE CLUB AND IT'S NICE TO BE CLOSE TO THE CLUB. YEAH. EXACTLY. YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE UM, I NOTICED IN THE PICTURE THAT, UM IN THE AREA. THAT'S ALMOST EYESIGHT FOR THE BUILDING OF THERE ARE THREE STOPS. THE TREES WERE CUT DOWN. UM AND I WONDERED IF, UH, WERE THEY CUT DOWN WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? OH I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF WINDSTORMS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVER NECESSARILY CUT DOWN OR THEY FELL DOWN DEAD ASKING YOU ABOUT THEY WERE SHE LOOKED AT ME ONE. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONE 456. ON MY PROPERTY. THOSE STUMPS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, RIGHT? THOSE WERE ACQUIRED BECAUSE THEY THEY WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY, EYESIGHT WOULD HAVE COVERED THE AREA VERY WELL.ABOUT $20,000 TO LIFT OVER THE HOUSE OF THE CRANE. SO FALL IN THE HOUSE, SO DEAD ASH TREES ARE NOT GOOD. FORTUNATELY I WISH THEY WERE STILL THERE, AND THERE WAS NO ASH FOR DISEASE. THE AFRICAN WITH THE AFRICAN CONSIDER PLANTING TREES, MAYBE EVERGREEN TREES TO THE RIGHT? THE NEIGHBORS. LET ME SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND SAY YES. WE WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WE WANNA DEFINITELY DO WHAT WE CAN. UM AND WE WOULD WE LOVE TREES. WE LOVE GREEN. WE LOVE ALL THAT.
YES. CLOSEST TO THE VIEWER IS THE MOST EFFI. NOT NECESSARILY. I MEAN, OF THE PART OF WHAT WE LOOK AT IS ALSO THE SOUL RIGHT SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO OBSTRUCT. WE WERE SUGGESTING PERHAPS THAT'S PERHAPS THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION, SOMETHING THAT STREAMS LARGER AND THE SHE. TALL AS SLANTING. AND WHAT DO THEY GROW? HOW MANY INCHES A YEAR? WELL. BETWEEN THAT. I CAN. YEAH. YES. LOUDER. HELP. ALL RIGHT. LOUDER. UNDERSTAND. YES. OK, GREAT.
THANK YOU. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I CAN ALL RIGHT, UM AND I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. RIGHT ALL IN FAVOR. RIGHT? UH, ALRIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UM ANY FINAL QUESTIONS. UH OR, UH, WE GO TO BOARD DELIBERATION. MM. THE DELIBERATION AND ALL. NO ONE WANTS. TO WELL, COULD YOU READ THE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO DEFINE, UM BEFORE? YOU USE VARIOUS AS UH, MISS MCMANUS IS ACCURATELY EXCITED. THIS IS THE USE. BY THE ONE VARIANT. SO ANY TIME DO ANYTHING. THERE. WHEN YOU WAIVER FROM THE TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENT AND A WAIVER FROM THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS. AND I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID. BUT I ASSUME IF THE WORD
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IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THREE PIECES OF RELIEF. IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU TESTIFIED TO IF YOU DON'T DELIVER IT, THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION IS GOING TO BE MY WOULD BE THAT TESTIMONY WAS SO GOOD, THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DELIVER IT. CONDITIONS WOULD BE EVERYTHING IN MR DORSEY'S REPORT. SEE IF WE MADE ANY CHANGES TO THAT. YEAH, WE MADE A AND AGAIN, MR FORD WAS WENT THROUGH EACH ONE. I HAVE MARKED THERE IN EVERY SINGLE ONE THAT'S CONDITIONED WHERE IT'S ADD DETAILS OR ADD DETAILS. SO AGAIN , IT'S GOING TO BE A DETAILED RESOLUTION, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW AND MAKE SURE THAT I HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING OR PUT SOMETHING IN THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. ALSO IT'S GOING TO BE THE CC REPORT. IF WE CHANGED ANYTHING IN THERE, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE DID. YEAH. LET'S JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN WE? WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT FROM MR BARTEL. BUT WE HAVE MR BART ALONE AT THE END AFTER HEARING THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN. CA ME UP WITH A CONDITION WE'LL PLANT EVERGREEN TREES FOR HIS SUGGESTIONS CLOSE TO THE PROPOSED GENOCIDE. OBVIOUSLY. THE BOARD EXPERTS AND THE BOARD SHOULD ONLY DO THINGS THAT ARE REASONABLE. CAN BE ARBITRARY. FOR UNREASONABLE. AND THE APPLICANT HAS A HAS AGREED AND SEE IF I HAVE ANY OTHER CONDITION. THE STANDARD CONDITIONS AND I ASSUME BUT I DON'T WANNA I ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS SO I GUESS THE REGULAR RULE IS ONE YEAR TO GET A ZONING AND CONSTRUCTION PERMITS. AND ONE YEAR AFTER THE FIRST CAREER TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT IN THAT TIME PERIOD? YES, THAT SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION. DELIBERATIONS. YOU SAY NO DELIBERATIONS. OR YOU CAN SAY IT'S REALLY ALREADY IN DELIBERATIONS WHEN? YEAH I. I DON'T. I DON'T WANNA, UH, ADD TO WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH, THANK YOU. NO. IF THERE'S A MOTION TO GRANT, THAT'S WHAT RIGHT? DEALING WITH THE BOARD. THE, UH THE MOTION WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE AND WHAT THE RESOLUTION WILL LOOK LIKE. YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION? I MOVE THAT, UM UH, WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION FROM, UH, VENUS BURKE. RIGHT? THANK YOU, MISS. M MISTER SINGH. THANK YOU. UH, SHERRY, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? LISOVSKY.YES IT ROSENTHAL WALMART WOOD. AND BRONZE. YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, THE NEXT WE WOULD HAVE HAD ANOTHER YET ANOTHER ONE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT ONE. BUT, UH THE FUTURE MEETINGS THURSDAY MEETING YEAH. HOW MANY PEOPLE BY A SHOW OF HANDS. GOING TO BE THERE. GOOD GOOD. NOW KEEP YOUR HANDS UP AGAIN. WE HAVE TO SEE WHO IF ANYONE HAS TO LISTEN TO A RECORDING. NO, I DON'T. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES. AND THEN MR ABU IS ALSO GOING TO BE HERE AS WELL. SO THAT WE WANTED TO UM ALL RIGHT, THAT'S UH, MARCH 20TH MEETING. UH, WE WILL HAVE OUR APPLICATION FOR RENARD. UH, MANAGEMENT. APRIL 23 OUR FOLLOWING MEETING IN APRIL 25TH FOLLOWING THAT, AND THEN, UM, THE APRIL 29TH MEETING IS THE SPECIAL ZONING BOARD MEETING THAT WE PUT ON THE SCHEDULE TO DO THE TRAINING FOR A NEW MEMBERS AND JUST GET A GENERAL KIND OF TRAINING FOR ALL MEMBERS , WHICH WILL BE REALLY GREAT. SO TO HAVE UM I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. GREAT. ALL RIGHT, MR WOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS SO
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