[I. ROLL CALL]
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GOOD. EVENING EVERYBODY. THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD OF MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY. IT'S OUR REGULAR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 1220 24. AND THE TIME IS 7 P.M. AND THIS, UH, MEETING WILL CONCLUDE NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT. NOTICE. OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. COULD WE DO ROLL CALL? PLEASE DON HERE.
MONEY. BATTLE HERE. B. IT HAMILTON. YOU. MATTHEWS. ROBERTS. HERE. LER. HERE. K.
CASEY. ARIE. CLAVELL. FISHING, ER OR ALONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DON. PLEASE JOIN ME IN, THE SLUICED FLAG.
OK REGARDING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS. OR Q AND A TO FIVE MINUTES AND WHEN PROVIDING COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR FOR AN APPLICATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD. IF YOU PREFER NOT TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE ADVISE WHICH MUNICIPALITY YOU LIVE IN. AND ONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. OK
[IV. RESOLUTION ]
BEING NONE. WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT ITEM, AND THAT IS A RESOLUTION FOR CASE PB DASH 7-23 . THE APPLICANT IS MALVERN SCHOOL PROPERTIES, LP. IT IS BLOCK 28 010 LOT 57 AND 58. THE ADDRESS IS 982 ROUTE 518. IT IS FOR A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR CYCLONE IN BULK VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT AN 11,000. 330 11,332 SQUARE FOOT CHILDCARE CENTER WITH ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, WALKWAYS, DRIVEWAYS , PARKING AND OTHER SITE AMENITIES. AND BEFORE MEMORIALIZED, KAREN, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHANGES. YES WE DO BOARD MEMBERS. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE FIVE OF THE RESOLUTION IT'S THE LAST PARAGRAPH IN MR FEINBERG, THE ARCHITECTS TESTIMONY. I THINK PROBABLY THIS TESTIMONY IS MORE PROPERLY ATTRIBUTED TO MR HABERMAN THEIR ENGINEER. SO I PROPOSE THAT YOU MOVE THAT TO THAT SECTION OF THE RESOLUTION. PAGE SEVEN. THE LIST OF DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REVIEWED AND SUBMITTED BY STAFF. UH. WITH RESPECT TO NUMBER TWO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT. STAFF REVIEWED THE CHECKLIST FOR BOTH. PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLATS AND PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN. NUMBER FIVE.THE REVISION DATE NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. THE SA NOVEMBER 7TH 2023 NOT NOVEMBER 11TH. AND THEN THE LAST CHANGE. JUST WITH RESPECT, PROPOSED CHANGES WITH RESPECT TO CONDITION 25. IT'S ON PAGE 15 OF THE RESOLUTION. UH, YOU MAY RECALL THAT A T. THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO WOULD HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DETERMINING UH, THE EQUIVALENT IF THE APPLICANT SAID, I DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE HARDY PLANKING, BUT I'M GOING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING. THAT IS ITS EQUIVALENT. UH, THE BOARD FELT THAT THAT DECISION WAS BEST MADE BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER.
UH, STAFF AND REVIEWING THE RESOLUTION HAD THE CONSENSUS THAT SINCE, UH. K AND MR CLAVELL HAD BEEN PRESENT FOR ALL THE HEARINGS. WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICATION THAT IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND PRODUCTIVE IF HE WERE TO TAKE ON THAT ASSIGNMENT. SO IF YOU LOOK A T, PARAGRAPH 25. THAT IS WHAT IT PROVIDES. BUT I WANT TO CALL THAT OUT FOR YOU BECAUSE AT THE MEETING. WHAT YOU WOULD DISCUSS WAS LETTING THE TEAM IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, UM HAVING MR CLAVEY. THEN WE CAN LEAVE PARAGRAPH 25 AS I DRAFTED IT. IS. IS MISTER CLAVELL
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COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I. I AM COMFORTABLE. I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, UM MR HERMAN SPECIFICALLY ASKED, UH, SO THAT'S WHY I. I DID HEAR WHAT HAD HAPPENED AT THE LAST HEARING. UM BUT HE HE DID ASK THAT I DO IT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HELP YOU IF THAT'S CORRECT.RIGHT. HIS CELL PHONE. SO THOSE ARE THE SUGGESTED REVISIONS THAT I HAVE OK, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MEMORIALIZE THE RESOLUTION WITH OUR, UH, OUR ATTORNEYS MODIFICATIONS. I HAVE A SECOND ALL SECOND OK, UH, ROLL CALL. PLEASE DON BATTLE. YES. PROJECT. MONEY. ROBERTS. YES. S. CA, MS. LER. YES. YES. THANK YOU DON. OK, NEXT ITEM IS AN APPLICATION. IT IS CASE PB DASH 08-23. THE
[V. APPLICATION ]
APPLICANT IS H MH CARRIER CLINIC INC. BLOCK 2001 SLASH 1001 LOTS TWO AND 14.02. THE ADDRESS IS 252 COUNTY ROAD, 601. IT IS FOUR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN WITH BULK VARIANCES TO CONDUCT TO CONSTRUCT A 45,000 SQUARE FOOT ADOLESCENT PATIENT UNIT, A 795 SQUARE FOOT FAMILY RESOURCE TRAINING CENTER AND THE RELOCATION OF RELOCATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING SPACE. THE EXPIRATION DATE IS MARCH. SEVENTH OF 2024 AND AN AFFIDAVIT AN AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION. IS REQUIRED AND HAS BEEN DONE. WITH THAT WE HAVE THE APPLICANT. TO THE, UH TODAY PUBLICATION AND SERVICES. YES. UM TODAY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM.MARIO ELLI. SEEN A THIS IS PUT ON A. IRON ALLEY WILL TALK ABOUT THE ENGINEERING. ISSUES. GO OVER OR AN OVERVIEW. WE TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES. GIVE US AN OVERVIEW. THIS ON THIS RO KUNI. WE TO THE TWO. BURRIS. WE'RE ASKING FOR REPRESENTATIVES. CLINICS, BRIEF STATEMENT. THREE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROJECT. SO FAR. SUBMITTING. RESPONSIBLE.
FEBRUARY 2ND AND ONE FROM THE ARCHITECT DATE IN FEBRUARY, 2ND BASICALLY THROUGH THE. WORDS.
AND WE BASICALLY WE DID. OUR PROVISIONS. PERFECT. AND. CLARIFICATION. ESPECIALLY MR PROVE MR SULLIVAN'S MEMO. TESTIMONY. SHOULD BE PROVIDED. SO THAT'S BASICALLY. EVEN THOUGH . MM. PROFESSIONALS. I'D LIKE TO . FOR THE RECORD, THE RECORD PERSUADE A ONE. MISTER SCHATZMAN , AND THE AUTHORS OF THESE LETTERS YOU'VE INDICATED ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TESTIFY. THE AUTHORS OF THOSE LETTERS, OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ON IT. THAT WE DON'T SEEM TO NEED ANYMORE.
THAT IT IS, UM. RELIEF MAY BE SO PURSUANT TO SECTION 16 6.5 J. IT'S A JOHN. THIS IN FACT OF THE
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LAND DEVELOPMENT WARS WITH NOT COVERED BY BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES. AND. NO. UH, THE ORDINANCE FOR THE, UH FOR THE, UH. THAT. 50% OF THE SITE IS COVERED WITH THOSE SO THAT THAT THAT IS SO WE'RE GONNA FURTHER. MR MAYOR. NOW, PLEASE COME. FOUR.SIR, COULD YOU FIRST STATE YOUR NA ME FOR THE RECORD AND SPELL IT? MY NAME IS MARIO IANNELLI.
IANNELL I. THANK YOU, SIR. AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES, THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE TO QUALIFY. BRIEFLY STATE YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND AND YOUR LICENSING. OF COURSE. UM MY NAME IS MARIO ELLI. I'M THE MANAGER OF LAND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT DE BARRY IN PARTS, NEW JERSEY. UM, I'VE BEEN DOING SITE DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING FOR A LITTLE OVER 30 YEARS. UH I RECEIVED MY BACHELOR'S IN CIVIL ENGINEERING IN 1993 FROM N. MY MASTERS IN CIVIL ENGINEERING IN 2001. A VERY LICENSED CIVIL ENGINEER. STATE OF NEW JERSEY SINCE 1999 I HAVE APPEARED IN FRONT OF NUMEROUS BOARDS AROUND THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY SOME HERE LOCALLY AROUND HERE IS, UH, BRIDGEWATER, SOMERVILLE, MONT. SO. AND SO FORTH, AND SO ON. UH, ENGINEER PREPARED THE PLANS FOR THE SITE PLAN. APPROVAL. YES. FAMILIAR WITH THE MISERABLE LAND USE FOR THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. YES. MULTIPLE TIMES AND. PLAN. YOU. THE DEVELOPMENT. YES. I.
YEP, HE MAY PROCEED. OK? GIVE US AN OVERVIEW. MR ANELLI, IF YOU WOULD JUST PULL THE MICROPHONE CLOSER WHEN YOU START TO SPEAK SEE IF I CAN IN A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE SO I'M GONNA BE REFERRING TO, UM, WE SUBMITTED. FIVE OR SIX EXHIBITS PRIOR TO 10 DAYS BEFORE, UH, THEY'RE ON THE BOARD. UH, I'M GONNA UTILIZE THOSE AND REFER TO THEM AS I GO THROUGH. UM. IT IS LOCATED, UM, WAS MENTIONED BEFORE. IT'S A LOT. UH TWO BLOCK 202001 AND LOT 14.02. A LOT IN BLOCK 1001. IT'S ROUGHLY 86 ACRES IN TOTAL. UM 64 ACRES OF THEREABOUTS ARE NORTH. OF, UM.
MOUNTAIN ROAD AND EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE LOCATION. IT'S LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD, 601. UM. THE SITE AND I'M REFERRING TO EX ONE THAT'S ON THE BOARD. UH, THE SITE BASICALLY FRONTS ON BOTH. IT'S ALMOST A CORNER LOT. IT'S GOT 601. I'M HIGHLIGHTING HERE. AND YOU ALSO HAVE EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD. THERE IS CURRENTLY FOUR ACCESS POINTS TO THE SITE. UM ONE LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD, 601. AND THEN THERE'S THREE LOCATED ON EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD. UM AN OVERVIEW OF THE CIRCULATION INTERNALLY. WHEN YOU COME INTO THE SITE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS OFF 601. AND THERE'S A LOOP ROAD THAT WRAPS AROUND THE SITE AGAIN. I'M REFERRING TO EX ONE. AND I'M POINTING TO THE ROAD THAT COMES IN OFF THE WESTERLY MOST ENTRANCE. AND IT GOES AROUND. THERE'S A TRAFFIC CIRCLE THAT'S LOCATED IN THE NORTHERN CENT. I WOULD SAY NORTH CENTER PART OF THE SITE AND THE LOOP ROAD CONTINUES AROUND. IN EXITS ON THE WEST. MOST ENTRANCE WAY, AND THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER EXITS AND ENTRANCE LOCATED ON EAST
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MOUNTAIN ROAD. UH THE EXISTING SITE CURRENTLY HAS 297. LICENSE BEDS. UH, I'M GONNA TOUCH UPON PARKING. THERE WAS ACTUALLY, UM, SOME WE ACTUALLY DID A PARKING COUNT IN THE FIELD. WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND COUNTED EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPACE. AND IT TURNED OUT SOME OF THE, UH PARKING WAS CONFUSED WITH THE PARKING. THERE'S A TREATMENT PLAN ACROSS THE STREET. SO WE, UH DID A FINAL COUNT AND THE EXISTING PARKING AT THE SITE IS 664. UNFORTUNATELY THE DRAWING 658 SO WE WERE SHORT FOUR SPACES, BUT THAT WILL BE CORRECTED. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. UH, THE TOPO OF THE SITE. THE SITES GENERALLY. CLOSE IN A SOUTHERLY OR NORTHERLY DIRECTION. UM MOST OF THE SITE WHERE WE'RE WORKING IS, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS DRAINED TOWARDS EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD OR COUNTY ROAD. 601 EXCEPT FOR AN AREA I'M HIGHLIGHTING. HERE WAS AN EXISTING TENNIS COURT WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE CONVERTED. TO, UH TO INCLUDE A GREENHOUSE THAT AREA DRAINS IN THE NORTH EASTERLY DIRECTION. TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE SITE. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE. FROM A THAT DRAINS TO THE TO THE SOUTH WILL BE REALLY WHERE THE WORK IS OCCURRING. THE CURRENT SITE. FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, JUST TOUCHING ABOUT TWO KEY ELEMENTS. UH, THE BUILDING COVERAGE IS 15. THAT'S REQUIRED OR ALLOWED, AND IT'S CURRENTLY AT 8.32. THE IMPERVIOUS IS ALLOWED TO BE 45% AND IT'S CURRENTLY AT 23.3% THAT'S BEFORE WE ACTUALLY. IMPLEMENT THE IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH OUR PROJECT. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO EX. TWO. SO WHAT? I'M SHOWING HERE. EXCUSE ME. IS THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. I'LL TOUCH UPON THEM. YOU KNOW, WORKING FROM EAST TO WEST? I'LL. I'LL START WITH THE SMALLER ASPECTS OF IT AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE MORE SIGNIFICANT ADDITION ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADOLESCENT IF YOU LOOK HERE, I'M HIGHLIGHTING AGAIN. THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THAT'S THE EASTERLY MOST ACCESS OFF COUNTY ROAD. 601 CURRENTLY COMES IN AND WE'RE PROPOSING SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE JUST BASICALLY TO ORGANIZE THAT INTERSECTION. AND THEN AS YOU COME AROUND, YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH HERE AND THIS IS WHERE THE SMALL EDITION IS. THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO CREATING A DROP OFF AREA. THIS SMALL ADDITION IS ONLY ABOUT 750 SQUARE FEET. UH, IT'S FOR THE FAMILY RESOURCE CENTER. BASICALLY THAT IS REALLY ALL THAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS AREA, EXCEPT THE FACT THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING AN EXISTING BUILDING. THAT'S CURRENTLY ABOUT 9500 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THAT'S WHERE THERE EXISTING ADMINISTRATION SERVICES ARE OUR EXECUTIVE OFFICERS. WHEN WE'RE REALLY NOT DOING ANYTHING IN THE REAR OF THE SITE AT ALL, EXCEPT FOR ADDING SOME PARKING AGAIN, I'M HIGHLIGHTING IT. IT'S TO THE NORTH WEST. ON THIS PLAN. YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ADDING SOME PARKING HERE IN A NEW A NEW SIDEWALK ACCESS THAT WOULD ACCESS THE REAR OF THE SITE. THAT BRINGS US TO THE ADDITION.AND THE ADDITION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 40. A LITTLE OVER 48 THAT ABOUT 48,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, AND IT'S GONNA INCLUDE 52 BEDS. WHEN WE DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS, IF YOU SEE I'M GONNA GO BACK TO EX ONE, THERE'S AN EXISTING PARKING LOT IN THE AREA IS EXISTING TRAILERS THAT ARE THERE. UH, THAT'S ALMOST EXACTLY WHERE THE ADDITION IS GOING. THE GOAL OF THE ADDITION IS TO TIE INTO THIS CORNER OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. NO, THERE'S A IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WHEN THE BUILDING THIS OCCURS AGAIN, I'M ON AN EX. TWO. THE ADDITION GETS TIED TO THAT CORNER. AND THEN THE. UH, THE 52 BED SPACE IS CREATED WITH SOME COURTYARDS OUTSIDE. EXCUSE ME. SO THAT EDITION IS TIED TO THE ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. UM.
ALONG WITH THAT WE'RE CREATING A NEW DRIVEWAY ACCESS. I MEAN, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE ROAD REMAINS THE SAME. BUT AS YOU COME INTO THE SECOND FROM THE EAST, THERE'S GOING TO BE A ONE WAY. DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE NEW EDITION WITH ANGLE PARKING IN THE FRONT. AND THEY'RE ALSO PUTTING SOME PARKING ALONG THE DRIVEWAY TO THE WEST OF THE ADDITION. UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE PARKING IS PREDOMINANTLY CENTERED AROUND.
THE EASTERN PART OF THE SITE. UM, SO WHEN WE DECIDED TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE THIS EDITION AND LOCATE IT HERE. WE NEED TO CREATE SOME ABILITY TO HAVE SOME PARKING IN FRONT FOR DROP OFF IN FOR ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. WE ALSO NEEDED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE PARKING TO
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THE LEFT. I MEAN, THIS PARKING IS REALLY FOR YOU KNOW? VISITORS AND PEOPLE DROPPING PEOPLE OFF IN TO GO INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ADOLESCENT WORD THAT ARE TREATING CHILDREN WITH VARIOUS ISSUES SO. YOU'VE GOT TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS PROMINENT AND AS WELCOMING AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE THE ACCESS AS CLOSE. TO THE DOOR AS POSSIBLE. SO, UM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WHEN WE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ARCHITECT. WE TRIED TO PUSH THIS BUILDING AS FAR NORTH AS POSSIBLE. UM BECAUSE WE REALIZE WE'RE VIOLATING A FRONT YARD SETBACK. WE'RE VIOLATING THE UM STEP BACK FOR THE PARKING AND ALSO THE BUFFER. WE REALLY TRY TO PUSH THE BUILDING AS FAR AS WE COULD UP. ALSO, WE THE DRIVEWAY. BEING IN FRONT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE THE ELEVATION DIDN'T WORK WITH THE EXISTING ROAD BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 5, FT.HIGHER. BECAUSE THE ROAD IS LOWER. SO WE HAD TO CREATE THAT FRONT DOOR EFFECT WITH THAT DROP OFF. UM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, AND I'M GOING TO TOUCH UPON A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. THE BUILDING THAT'S GETTING RIGHT NOW. THE ADOLESCENCE AND IF I POINT TO THE I'M GONNA BE GENERAL LOCATIONS. THE ADOLESCENTS ARE CURRENTLY HOUSED IN THE EXISTING BUILDING ROUGHLY ABOUT HERE AND THEN THE ADULTS ARE ROUGHLY ABOUT HERE. IF I FLOP THEM. I'M SURE THE ARCHITECT WILL CORRECT ME. UM BUT THE REALITY IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT THE EXISTING ADOLESCENTS ARE GOING TO GET MOVED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SEPARATE THE ADOLESCENCE FROM THE ADULTS. THIS WAS THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE, UH, OF THE ADDITION IS TO CREATE A SPACE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR ADOLESCENTS. WHEN INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION AND WITH THE ADULTS SO WHEN THEY VACATE THAT SPACE THAT THE ADOLESCENTS GET MOVED INTO THE NEW EDITION GOING TO DEMO, THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE BUILDING AND THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT EXECUTIVE OFFICES INTO THE AREA THAT WAS VACATED BY THE ADOLESCENTS, SO IT'S HAD A BUNCH OF CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR YOUR PROFESSIONALS. I THINK ONE OF YOUR PROFESSIONALS PUT IT BEST. YOU'RE MOVING THE DECK FURNITURE AROUND. WE'RE LITERALLY MOVING THINGS AROUND TO TRY TO BETTER HOUSE THEM AND BETTER PERFORM THE SERVICES. AND ANOTHER THING IS REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THE ADOLESCENT AND THE ARCHITECT OF TOUCH ABOUT ON THIS IS THAT THEY NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE TO PROVIDE. SERVICES THAT ARE MORE IN LINE WITH CURRENT PRACTICES.
I MEAN, SO THE 52 UNITS AND THIS NEW EDITION ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE SPACE. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT INCREASING BEDS. IT'S GONNA HAVE MORE SPACE TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE TREATMENT IN IN IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THIS TREATMENT FOR THESE CHILDREN. AGAIN. THE GOAL WAS TO SEPARATE THE ADOLESCENTS. IT WAS ALSO TO IMPROVE. THE, UM. THE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING LIKE I MENTIONED CREATE A FRONT DOOR, SO PEOPLE SEE IT. UM AND IT'S ALSO TO INCLUDE THREE OUTDOOR SPACES FOR THE ADOLESCENT. AND WE'LL GET INTO IT IN A MINUTE. THAT'S WHERE THE 14 FT HIGH FENCE IS TUCKED INTO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF SECURITY REASONS. THEY REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COURTYARDS ARE SECURE AND THE 14 FT HIGH ANTI CLIMB FENCES WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING COLLECTIVELY TO TRY TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW ANY TO TRY TO CONTROL THOSE AREAS AS BEST THEY CAN. UM. THE PROJECT IMPROVEMENTS REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT THE ACTUAL CIRCULATION.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT THAT AS A WHOLE WHEN YOU ENTER THE SITE FROM THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PLAN OR THE EASTERLY SIDE AND YOU DRIVE AROUND AND GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND COME BACK AROUND. THAT'S STILL THE SAME ACCESS. UM WE HAD ANOTHER THING WE'RE ADDING IS AN AMBULANCE AREA WHERE THEY COULD HIGHLIGHT IT HERE WHERE AN AMBULANCE CAN COME IN BACK UP AND HAVE TWO INDIVIDUAL BAY ASSOCIATED TO, UH TO TRANSPORT PATIENTS THAT REQUIRE THOSE THAT TYPE OF TRANSPORT. UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DID MEET WITH THE UM, FIRST AID SQUAD TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AGAIN. WE'RE NOT INCREASING BEDS, BUT WE'RE CREATING A MORE PROMINENT LOCATION. FOR THIS FOR THIS ACTIVITY. UM, WE ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. FIRE DEPARTMENT DID REQUEST THAT THIS DRIVE AISLE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS BE A MINIMUM OF 21 FT, WHICH WE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN.
BEYOND THAT, THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. MOVING ON TO, UM. DX THREE. GOING BACK. I'M SORRY. GOING BACK ONE SECOND JUST DESCRIBE WHAT THE GREEN SHADED AREAS ARE ON THE PLANET.
GREEN SHADED AREAS OF ME TRYING TO GET RID OF THE PAVEMENT. THAT'S SHOWN IN THE AERIAL. I THINK IT'S SO BASICALLY TO MAKE IT LOOK RINGING. YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY JUST HIGHLIGHTED OVER THE AERIAL UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE STARTED THIS UM, WE TRIED TO. WE
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HAD TO WORK WITH THE DRCC. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE DRCC WITH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ASPECT OF IT. THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS BEING DEALT WITH. OBVIOUSLY WE'LL GET INTO IT IN A MINUTE. THERE'S A DETENTION BASE IN IN THE POOREST PAVEMENT WE'RE PUTTING IN FOR THE ADDITION. THE REST OF THE AREA IS ALMOST 80% OF THE AREAS WERE DISTURBING. IT'S ALL BEING DONE. WHAT LAND COVER MANAGEMENT. WHAT I MEAN IS WE'RE RIPPING OUT AS MUCH IMPERVIOUS AS WE ARE ADDING UM, ACTUALLY, WE'RE REDUCING IMPERVIOUS ON AN OVERALL, YOU KNOW, FROM A VEHICULAR PERSPECTIVE, SO IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. WHEN WE'RE SHOWING THIS. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'RE TAKING OUT. SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN GREEN. IS EXISTING IMPERVIOUS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BECOME MORE. IN DISCUSSING THIS WITH YOUR PROFESSIONALS. THEY ASKED ME TO PUT TOGETHER A, UH PARKING EXHIBIT. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WALKED AROUND THE SITE. AND WE ACTUALLY CREATED THIS EXHIBIT. THAT SHOWS IN THE EXISTING CONDITION. THERE'S 638 SPACES IN 26 HANDICAPPED SPACES TOTALING 664. WE ACTUALLY CREATED THE AREAS HERE THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED AND WE TALLIED IT IN A CORNER. THEY WANTED ME TO DO THIS SO WE COULD BENCHMARK. IT SO NOW WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY SPACES WE HAVE. UM I DON'T NEED TO REALLY GO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL.BUT THE ONLY PARKING YOU CAN SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING AND I SHOULD SAY THERE'S SOME IN FRONT HERE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT A LOT OF IT IS ON THE EASTERLY CORNER. THIS PARKING LOT HERE. I'M HIGHLIGHTING AN AREA E WILL BE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT COME OUT FOR THE ADDITION. THE TRAILERS WERE ALSO COME OUT, AND THIS PARKING HERE WOULD ALSO COME OUT. WELL, I'M HIGHLIGHTING ON THE ON THE EASTERLY SIDE OF AREA E. SO WHAT THIS IS, IS REALLY THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT IT WAS TO GIVE THE BOARD AND THEIR PROFESSIONALS A SNAPSHOT OF AND THIS WAS BASED ON AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL COUNT. OF US WALKING THE SITE. AND THEN WE ALSO WERE ASKED TO DO THE SAME EXERCISE. FOR THE, UM FOR THE PROPOSED. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE ACTUALLY DID THE SAME AREAS AND HIGHLIGHTED WHAT WE'RE ADDING AND WHAT WE'RE SUBTRACTING SO IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION WE'RE GONNA HAVE 616. REGULAR OUR STANDARD STALLS AND 27 HANDICAPPED TOTALING 643. WHERE THE REQUIRED IS 573. SO WE'RE 70 OVER THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES. NOW YOU MAY ASK WHY, BUT WE NEED IT'S ABOUT PROXIMITY, TOO. IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT NUMBER YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO CREATE SOME SPACES BY THE ADDITION. TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE CORRECT PROXIMITY. WE DID ELIMINATE SOME PARKING HERE ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT IN THE AREA J. AND HERE WE GOT RID OF THOSE BECAUSE THERE USED TO BE A BUILDING HERE. SO THOSE ARE REALLY AREAS THAT WERE NOT VERY EFFECTIVE DEAD END. SO WE SAID, OK, LET'S YOU KNOW, LET'S REMOVE THAT AND TRY TO UTILIZE THAT IN OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. SO WITH THESE TWO EXHIBITS, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE IS A VERY CLEAR PICTURE IN THE ZONING TABLE AT THIS BOARD CHOOSES ACT POSITIVELY ON THIS APPLICATION. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE THE ZONING TABLE REFLECTS THE CORRECT PARKING STALLS. SO WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT FENCES, SO I WANTED TO BRING UP YOU KNOW, THEY ASKED ME TO DO A, UH, AN EXHIBIT ON THE FENCES. SO WHAT I DID HERE IS IF YOU IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO THE SITE THERE'S A EXISTING STEEL FENCE THAT RUNS WITH SOME STONE COLUMNS AT THE DOOR AT THE, UH AT THE ENTRANCE WAYS. THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE IN A DASHED WHITE. IF YOU CAN SEE IT, WE'RE REALLY NOT AFFECTING THAT UNTIL WE GET OVER HERE TO ACCOMMODATE OUR ADDITION. UH WE'RE GONNA BE RE RELOCATING IT. I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR PLANNER. INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ANGLE. IF HE WANTS ME TO SQUARE OFF OUR PROPOSED RELOCATION, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. UM SO THE FRONT HERE IN DAESH. WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THE 8 FT STEEL FENCE. THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE. WE'RE REALLY NOT AFFECTING IT THAT STEEL FENCE TRANSITIONS. INTO A 10 FT HIGH UH, VINYL CHAIN LINK FENCE. AND THAT CHAIN LINK FENCE RUNS ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IN WHITE I ACTUALLY SEE THIS DASH HERE. THAT'S THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE TO REMAIN. WE DO NEED TO BUMP OUT THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND THE NEW DETENTION BASIN. UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE ABOUT 14 FT, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THAT. UM THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE HAVE TO SECURE THE SITE, BUT WE HAD TO DO ALSO DEAL WITH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN PUT THE DETENTION BASE IN. THE THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT A SPLIT RAIL FENCE. IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE, BUT I'M HIGHLIGHTING IT HERE. THERE'S A LITTLE THERE'S A ACTUALLY A HEAD WALL FOR THERE'S A PIPE EXITING THE DETENTION BASIN, AND IT'S GOT A WALL TO HOLD THE SOIL ON EITHER SIDE SO IT ACTUALLY CAN DISCHARGE. IS ABOUT 3 3.5 FT DROP. I JUST WANT TO PUT
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SOMETHING ON TOP OF THAT SO SOMEBODY DOESN'T YOU KNOW, MISTAKENLY WALK OFF THE TOP AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY 3 FT. SO WE USE A SPLIT RAIL, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE RUSTIC IN ITS APPEARANCE. BUT IT STILL PROVIDES AN ADEQUATE VISUAL BARRIER FOR SOME DOESN'T WALK OFF IT. IT'S ONLY ABOUT 10 FT. LONG 20. MAYBE 15 FT. LONG. NOW I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND, UM, IT IS THE 14 FT FENCE.S EXHIBIT EO FIVE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS EXHIBIT FROM THIS EXHIBIT THE FOR THE 14 FT FENCE IS PRETTY FAR BACK FROM THE ROAD. ON THE ON THE EASTERLY SIDE. THIS IS ROUGHLY LIKE 240 FT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND OVER HERE, IT'S ABOUT 100 AND 78. FT. SO PUT THAT, YOU KNOW, SO REALLY, THIS FENCE IS GOING TO BE VERY FAR BACK. AND WHAT WE ALSO DID IN THE NEXT EXHIBIT. WE TRIED TO GIVE THE BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A DIFFERENT KIND OF FENCES. SO WHEN I SAID IT, A LOCATION A. THIS IS THE EXISTING 10 FT. UM. CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. SORRY ABOUT GOING BACK AND FORTH.THIS. THE. 14 FT FENCE WILL LOOK LIKE IT'S AN ANTICLINE FENCE. IT'S A MESH. IT'S A BLACK MESH.
UM BASICALLY. HAS A VERY SMALL OPENING, SO YOU CAN'T GET YOUR YOUR FINGER. YOU CAN'T GET YOUR TOES AND YOUR FEET IN IT TO BE ABLE TO SCALE IT. SO IT'S REALLY A IT'S DESIGNED FOR SECURITY AND TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM SCALING IT. THIS IS A SPLIT RAIL FENCE THAT WILL BE GOING ABOVE THE HEAD WALL. AND THIS IS THE FENCE IN FRONT THAT I HAD TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS GONNA BE REALLY REMAIN OTHER THAN A SMALL SECTION THAT WE HAVE TO RELOCATE. FOR THE DRIVEWAY. SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THE ZONING. I'LL LEAVE THE REST OF THE ZONING TO THE PLANNER, BUT JUST TO TOUCH ON THE ZONING A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE NEW BUILDING IS GONNA BE 78 FT. GET BACK. UH, WE'RE 100. FT IS REQUIRED. UM THE FLORIDA AREA RATIO. IS 0.15 IS PERMITTED. WE HAVE 0.083.
CURRENTLY IT'LL BE 0.09. 25 IN THE PROPOSED STILL WELL UNDER THE ALLOWED UH, THE MAX GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE. IS GONNA BE MUCH LESS THAN PERMITTED. UM I THINK IT'S RIGHT NOW. YOUR YOUR MAX IS 570,000. WE'RE ROUGHLY AT 314,000. NOW WE'RE GONNA BE ROUGHLY AT 349,000. THE NEW SURFACE PARKING. REQUIRES ALMOST 60 FT. FROM THE, UM. FROM THE RIGHT AWAY. UNFORTUNATELY WE COULDN'T ACHIEVE THAT. SO WE'RE AT 49.7. IN THE 50 FT. BUFFER IN FRONT WAS ALSO, UH REQUIRED AND WE HAVE 34.6. AND. THE OTHER IMPORTANT ON, UH, BUILDING COVERAGE. WE'RE STILL WELL UNDER ON THE BUILDING COVERAGE. THE BUILDING COVERAGE IS PERMITTED TO BE 15. IT'S ROUGHLY 8.3% IT'LL GO UP TO 9.6. THE MAXIMUM AND PREVIOUS COVERAGE IS PERMITTED TO BE 45. UH, WE CURRENTLY IS ABOUT THIR 23% AND WE'RE GOING TO GO UP TO ABOUT 24.3. UM WHAT'S THE BUILDING HEIGHT ITSELF IS GOING TO BE WITH THE AVERAGE GRADE ROUGHLY 26.68 FT. AND WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND TOO. UM WHEN WE PLAN THIS EARLY ON, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. THE BEST WAY TO ACHIEVE ALL THE GOALS. HOW TO GET THE SPACE. THEY NEEDED. HOW TO CREATE THE FRONT DOOR. THEY NEEDED. HOW TO, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION WHERE WE COULD. AND WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS COMBINATION OF A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO TRY TO FIND THAT ONE SPOT THAT KIND OF WORKED FOR ALL THOSE KEY GOALS. THE. LAST THING I'LL TOUCH ON. I THINK, UM WE HAD EXTENSIVE MEETINGS WITH YOUR PROFESSIONALS, AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THAT. UM WITH YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CALLS WITH THEM. WITH YOUR PLANNER WITH YOUR ENGINEER. WILL YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER UM THEY THEY REALLY HELPED IN THE PROCESS, UM, DEVELOPING THAT LETTER. IT HELPS TO WORK OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS. THE WE REVIEWED THE, UH, MOST WITH THE WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPING. THE YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON SOME SPECIES TYPES. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM. HE'S ALSO TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING THOSE EXISTING UM, GREEN, UH, EVERGREENS IN FRONT OF THE TRAILER. WHAT? WHAT? WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT. SOMETIMES IT'S THE SUCCESS OF MOVING A LARGER TREE IS NOT ALWAYS IS GREAT AS YOU THINK. WHEN YOU TRANSPLANT IT, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS TAKE AND IT CAN
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COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE A DEAD TREE. SO WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THEM ON THAT PIECE. UM I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH THEM ON IT. UM JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THOUGH I KNOW WHEN IT CAME. I THINK WE LOOKED. WE ASKED FOR A WAIVER ON HAVING THE UM, NUMBER OF TREES. CALCULATED IN A LIMITED DISTURBANCE VERSUS THE ENTIRE TRACK. AND I THINK WE ALL CAME TO AN AGREEMENT. I THINK THERE'S 88 TREES WITH SO IF, UM. THE BOARD GRANTS THE WAIVER FOR ALLOWING IT BASED ON LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE IN ITS 88 TREES. SO GOING BACK AND FORTH 11 OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A FIVE INCH TREE PLANTED TO QUALIFY. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE THAT THE ROOT BALL ON THAT WOULD WOULD BE PROBABLY 6 FT IN DIAMETER. UM SO. UM 1.5 TO 2.5. SO. I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE DOING THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE, IT'S A FIVE INCH CALIPER INSTEAD OF TWO. OK? SO. WHAT WE TALK TO THE CLIENT. I MEAN, PLANTING A FIVE INCH TREE IS VERY ONEROUS. SO WHAT WE SAID WE WORKED FOR THE, UH, FIRST THING THEY DON'T THEY DON'T TAKE AS WELL. I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE TO ATTEND THINGS TO SURGERY. BUT WHEN YOU PLANT A MATURE TREE IT TAKES LONGER TO GRAB IT TAKES LONGER TO TAKE HOLD. NOT YOUNG.
THE ROOTS TAKE LONGER. YOU DON'T GET THE QUICK GROWTH IN IT. UH, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH MAKING A CONTRIBUTION IN LOU. UM OF PLANTING THE TREE. UH, THE TREES ARE OF ANY CONSIDERATION. THE BOARD AND PROFESSIONALS CAN GIVE BECAUSE PLANTING A FIVE INCH TREE WOULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC AND IN THE SUCCESS RATE IS NOT THAT HIGH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OK. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THAT. UM WELL, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THOUGH. WE ARE PLANTING OVER 1400 TOTAL PLANTS ON SITE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PLANT UH. TREES ARE ALMOST 144 TREES. 287 SHRUBS, 413 PERENNIALS IN 620. FROM.
ORNAMENTAL GRASSES, AND ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS THAT WE'RE CONVERTING. ALMOST. WE'RE CONVERTING ALMOST AN ACRE OF MAINTAINED LAWN TO MEADOW. AS I WAS WAY WE'RE GONNA MEET OUR STORM WATER WORK. SO THAT'S NOT EVEN IN CALCULATIONS. SO WHAT WE DO IS BY MAKING IT METAL VERSUS MAINTAIN LAW AND YOU ACTUALLY DECREASE THE RUNOFF FROM IT. UM SO. IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF EFFORT OF MAKING THE PLANTINGS. I JUST THINK THAT IS TOO ONEROUS TO TRY TO DO THAT SIZE PLANT. UM THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON LIGHTING. I PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU. THE TERM BUG. UM. BUT WE GAVE THEM INFORMATION ABOUT THE BACKLIGHT UP LIGHT GLARE. AND TO MAKE SURE IT WAS DARK SKIES FRIENDLY. OH, SO. WE ALSO PROVIDED THEM INFORMATION ON THE LIGHTING. UM WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING ABOUT 12 LIGHTS. UM AND. THE LIGHTING ITSELF IS RELATIVELY LOW. IT'S 16 FT. WE'RE REUSING THE EXISTING LIGHTS WHERE WE CAN. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE TO MENTION. THE LIGHTS WILL BE ON A TIMER, BUT THEY'RE NOT SHUTTING OFF. BECAUSE OF SECURITY REASONS. UM SO. WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE INTENT. WE TRIED TO REUSE THE EXISTING LIGHTING WHERE POSSIBLE. UM. THE LAKES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WE FEEL ARE ADEQUATE. AND WITH IT, THEY'RE THEY'RE DOWNWARD SHOOTING LIGHTS. THERE ARE NO THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO THE SKY UP TOP. AND I BELIEVE WE GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION ABOUT SOME, UH YOU WANT THE 2700 IN THE NO PROBLEM. IT'LL PROVIDE YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER AT ME. SURE. SO UH, IT'S PRETTY COMMON IN OUR REPORTS THAT WE REQUEST THAT, UM LED LIGHTS BE 2700 DEGREES KELVIN. IT'S JUST A WARMER LIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF LIKE A BRIGHT HOT LIGHT. UM AND, UH, THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO AGREE TO THAT IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THAT, AS WELL. OF THE 4000 BECOMES THE 27 OR 27, OK? UM MENTION IT, TOO. WE ARE PROVIDING THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF EB. UM, WE'RE GONNA PUT THEM IN FRONT OF THE. UM WE ARE OVER ON OUR HANDICAPS, SO ONE OF THEM WILL BE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE AS REQUIRED, AND ANOTHER ONE WILL NOT BE BECAUSE YOU WERE REQUIRED 4% OF THE ADDED SPACES 5% OF THE 4% NEED TO BE UM HERE. THE CAP ACCESSIBLE. AND JUST TO TOUCH UPON AND LAST THING I'LL TOUCH UPON IS THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. WENT BACK AND FORTH
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NUMEROUS TIMES WITH THE DRC. AND WITH YOUR PROFESSIONALS. WE ARE PROPOSING A SURFACE BASIN IN THREE PAYMENT SYSTEMS. TO DEAL WITH THE STORM WATER. IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE SITE. THE REST OF THE SITE IS DONE ALL THROUGH LAND COVER MANAGEMENT. WE REMOVED TWICE AS MUCH VEHICULAR PAVEMENT. AS WE ADD IT. IN ALL THE AREAS EXCEPT THE AREA WHERE THE ADDITION IS GOING UM THE VRC ALSO WORKED OUT ALL THE FACTS OF THE FACT IS SHALLOW ROCK. AND WE DID, UH, WHAT THEY CALL BASIN FLOOD TESTS. WE FILL THEM UP WITH WATER. WE'RE BACK THERE 24 HOURS LATER, AND THE WATER WENT DOWN AN INCH. NOT EVEN IT BARELY MOVED. IT HELD THE 12 INCHES. SO THAT MEANS THE ROCK BELOW IS PRETTY SOLID, AND IT'S NOT REALLY TAKING WATER. SO WE WERE. WE HAD A VERY LIMITED PROFILE. DEAL WITH THE STORM WATER. THAT'S WHY THIS BASIN IS VERY SHALLOW, LIKE EVERY OTHER ONE THAT'S OUT THERE. THEY'RE VERY SHALLOW AND THE UH, FORCED PAYMENT ACTUALLY HAVE UNDER DRINKS. IT'S PER THE B MP. FOR THE DUP BEST PRACTICES. UM. SO WE MET WITH THE DRCC. THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR TECHNICAL REVIEW AND THE COUNTY IS ALSO INDICATED THAT THE STORM WATER DESIGN SHOWS NO ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE RIGHT AWAY. WHILST THE DRC SO THE THAT IS CORRECT. SO THAT'S THE OVERVIEW. UM, I HOPE I COVERED A LOT. I KNOW, BUT IT OH, I KNOW AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. CLARIFICATION AND TESTIMONY. THAT'S CORRECT. LET'S DO THAT.THE. I KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE. THAT IS CORRECT. AND SPEAKING WITH THE OWNER IS GONNA BE 20 FT OR LESS. OK? AND THEN A WAIVER. THE WAY. THIS YEAR.
THAT. AND THE UNDER HIS GENERAL MEMO. PART OF THIS MEMO. EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND IN CASE OF. RESIDENTIAL UNITS. EXCUSE ME. UH WHAT? WHAT MEMO? A ARE YOU REFERRING TO? NOW WHAT? MEMO? A RE YOU REFERRING TO RIGHT NOW? MISTER DARCY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. YES, THANK YOU. OK? INFORMATION. TESTIFIED. THIS FOR AS. SURE, UM, BASICALLY WE MET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR ONLY COMMENT WAS IS THE DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE EXISTING BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN FIT THEIR OUTRIGGERS TO HAVE A 2021 FT WIDTH. SO WE MET WITH THEM AND OTHER THAN THAT THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT. ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEXT IS.
ONE. EACH. YES, THE COUNTY HAS ISSUED THEIR UH, APPROVAL ON THE AND THEN CONFIRM THAT NO ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ARE TAKING A WIDENING OF THE RIGHT OF WAYS REQUIREMENT. YES, YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THE PLANT ALSO CONFIRMED THAT YOUR PLANNER FROM THAT IN HIS MOUTH. YES.
YES, UM, THE SITE IRONICALLY, THE SITE, IF THE IF THE REUSE OF THE MATERIAL IS POSSIBLE, MEANING WE'RE EXCAVATING A BASIN AND WE'RE FILLING A BUILDING. BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY
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GEOTECHNICAL THE MATERIAL OUT THERE MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO BE UNDER THE BUILDING, MEANING JUST FROM A GEOTECHNICAL PER WHICH CLAY TO ME, ORGANICS. SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO EVEN SWAP IT WOULD BE ABOUT 1000 CUBIC YARDS. OF EXPORT. BUT WE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MANAGE THE SOIL ON SITE AND BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON LIKE MOISTURE CONTENT AND A LOT OF THINGS IF WE CAN REUSE IT. IF WE'RE GOING TO REUSE IT, WE'RE GOING TO REUSE IT. IF WE CAN'T REUSE IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN STRUCTURAL MATERIAL, WHICH IS A CLEANER STONE MIX. OR THAT FOR UNDER THE BUILDING AND THEN THE MATERIAL THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE BASIN. WILL BE PLACED IN LANDSCAPED AREAS OR WILL HAVE TO BE BROUGHT OFF SITE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT FOR THE. IT AGAIN IF IT WAS A BALANCE THAT WE CAN REUSE THE MATERIAL. YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ABOUT 1000 CUBIC YARDS OF EXPORT. THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 3400 CUBIC YARDS OF EXPORT. UM IF WE CAN'T REUSE THE MATERIAL. AND THEN WE WILL BE BRINGING IN ABOUT. 3,504,000 CUBIC YARDS UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, SO YOU'LL BE BRINGING IN CLEAN MATERIAL THAT'S GOT A BETTER GEOTECHNICAL PROPERTY. THAT CAN WITHSTAND THE CAUSE. THIS BUILDING WILL BE ON STANDARD FOOTINGS IN A SLAB. SO IT'S NOT. IF IT WAS ON A PILES. WE WOULDN'T CARE. BUT IT'S NOT SO WE HAVE TO MANAGE THE SOIL ON SITE. BELIEVE ME, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT TO A MINIMUM. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE IN THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF 3400 LEAVING IF WE CAN'T REUSE IT. AND ROUGHLY. 4035 3500 MATERIAL COMING IN FROM THE BUILDING. AND OBVIOUSLY, AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.WITH NUMBERS. I WOULD REALLY. CHAIRMAN'S ASKING 4000 CUBIC YARDS. IMPORT 3400 PIC YARDS OF THAT NUMBER DOES BASED ON THE WHERE WE ARE NOW IN THE DESIGN 3500 LEAVING THE SITE IF WE CAN'T REUSE IT IN ABOUT 4300 COMING IN TO GO UNDER THE BUILDING. I. I WOULD URGE THAT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE ANY DIFFERENT. YOU COME BACK TO US AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SURE. WE CAN AND JUST TO SAVE YOUR CLIENTS TIME MONEY, ETCETERA. JUST MAKE ONE REQUEST. IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT JUST, YOU KNOW. OK? SO IF RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE THE ESTIMATES WE HAVE. THEY MAY FLUCTUATE. IF WE CAN REUSE MORE MATERIAL WE BRING IN LESS AND WE WOULD EXPORT LESS. SO LESS IS GOOD, SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THE MATERIAL WHAT TIME OF YEAR. THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO UNDERSTOOD. BUT LIKE I SAID, JUST MAKE YOUR BEST ESTIMATE. IF YOU DO HAVE TO CHANGE IT, SO MAKE THE BEST ESTIMATE THAT WE HAD THE NUMBERS . I JUST REPORTED. WE SUBMIT THOSE AS PART OF THE OKAY. IT WOULD BE IN THE RESOLUTION. BUT IF YEAH. IF YOU CANNOT COMPLY WITH THAT, MEANING YOU NEED TO IMPORT MORE AND YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD IT IT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE WORST. YEAH, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AS WE STAND RIGHT NOW IT'S I GET FEEDBACK. WE ALL ARE. DON'T WORRY, UM. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 3 3500 CUBIC YARDS OF POSSIBLE. IMPORT 4000 CUBIC GUARDS OF PROS EXPORT OR MAYBE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. UM, SO THAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO 7500 CUBIC YARDS. IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT. THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IS WHAT WHAT? WE'RE WE'RE SAYING SO, SO RIGHT NOW I THINK WE'RE GIVE US YOUR WORST CASE SCENARIO. THAT SHOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR WORST CASE SCENARIO. IF POSSIBLE, IT MIGHT GET BETTER. IN WHICH CASE YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THIS. IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU'RE EXPORTING 5000 CUBIC YARDS. WELL LET LET ME LET ME JUST COMMENT ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE BUILDING YET. SO IF I START DIGGING A BUILDING AND I FIND A SOFT SPOT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I MIGHT BE GETTING OUT MORE. SO CAN WE? I HAD A WHOLE CAN WE ADD A LITTLE FLUFF INTO IT? TO BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE DIGGING UNDER THE BUILDING, AND WE HAD A PLACE CLAY POCKET VEST. I WOULD. I WOULD ADD 20% TO THAT TO BE SAFE. WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US THESE NUMBERS AGAIN THEN? OK SO WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM TO EXPORT YOUR WORST CASE SCENARIO? I'M GONNA DO IT RIGHT NOW. OK AND THIS MAY SEEM TRIVIAL, BUT TRUCKS DRIVING THROUGH OUR TOWN IS A BIG DEAL. SO LET'S GET THIS RIGHT.
OK I JUST ADDED 20. THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO. UM SO, BASICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN EXPORT OF
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4300 AND IMPORT OF STRUCTURAL MATERIAL 5300 THAT PUTS A LITTLE FLUFF INTO WE HAD SOME SOFT SPOTS. WE DON'T COST FLUFF. WE CALL AN ESTIMATION, BUT THAT'S GREAT, OK SAFETY FACTOR. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. ABOUT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. YES. THE ORDINANCE OF THE STATE. THAT IS CORRECT. READY TO GO. THEN, UH, THERE'S A SIDEWALK FOR CAN YOU CAN? I CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? A RE? THEY REAL OR A RE? THEY READY TO GO. WE'RE PUTTING TWO IN AND THEY'RE GONNA BE READY TO GO. WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA WIRE TOURS ONLY NEED IT TWO IS GOING IN. CUZ WE'RE NOT 15 KIND OF PHASING YOU HAVE. THEY'RE NOT MAKE READY SPACES. THEY'RE ACTUAL CHARGING SPACE. YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BE CHARGING. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WAS ASKING THAT RIGHT. THERE'S A SIDEWALK CLOSE AT THE PROPOSED GREENHOUSE. IT IS NOT CLEAR WHERE. YEAH, YEAH, THE GREENHOUSE IF NECESSARY. MAYBE. SO WE ARE GONNA PUT AD V AD A RAMP HERE. BUT WHAT ALSO, WE HAVE SOME UM, SPARE IN OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. WE CHECKED IF WE RAN A SIDEWALK FROM HERE TO HERE. IF YOU NEEDED TO, YOU COULD COOK. IT'S ONLY ADDING ABOUT YOU KNOW, LIKE 250 SQUARE FEET. IT'S BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ME THAT'S FINE. THE HEIGHT OF UH, SO. THAT'S CORRECT. TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HE UM. NO MORE TO MANAGE THE FOOD BY THE DRC. AND THE. TO COMPLY WITH. THE USE OF CURVES TO ADDRESS WATER FLOW AND REQUIREMENTS TO DC C. ELEVATION WAS PERMIT WITH TP ONE. THE. VERSION. OF. YES, WELL, WE THESE ARE JUST I WOULD CALL TYPO BOOKKEEPING CO ORDINATION ITEMS, SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK OUT TO MAKE SURE WE WENT BACK AND FORTH NUMEROUS TIMES WITH THE DC TO COME UP WITH THE GROUNDWATER ELEVATION. AND WE DID A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TEST PITS. WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL CONSISTENT AND WELL DRESSED ALL OF HIS COMMENTS I. I BELIEVE IN THE LETTER. I THINK I ADDRESSED ALL THE STORMWATER COMMENTS DIRECTLY. TO PROVIDE FOR A COULD BE APPROVED. THE RESTRICTION SO IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE REGARDING THE, UH THE, UH. MAINTENANCE ON THE STORM WATER FACILITIES. THAT WILL BE RECORDED IN THE SOMERSET COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. MADE IT REQUIRED FOR EACH V MP HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED ON THE MAINTENANCE SECTION OF THE OO AND M MANUAL.CONFIRM. AM I CORRECT? YES. THIS DETAIL. RECOMMENDED. WE PROVIDE A RESPONSE THAT YOU KNOW. THE PORTIONS WILL BE THERMOPLASTIC. THE OTHER WILL BE, UH, LATEX. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE MARKERS.
YEAH. YES THERE'S A RETAINING WALL GOING IN. THAT'S 10 FT. LONG.
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LET ME SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS. IT'S ONLY TO MAKE THE TRANSITION. IT'S VERY SHORT. UH 10. FT LONG IS UNDER 4. FT. IT'S RIGHT. IT'S A BAD ONE. HOLD ON A SECOND. THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE RETAINING WALL THAT'S NEEDED. IN AN AREA RIGHT? YEAR JUST TO TURN THAT YOU BARELY CAN SEE IT. IT'S LITERALLY JUST TO KEEP THE COURTYARD AT ONE ELEVATION. AND THE SIDEWALK COMING DOWN. SO IT'S LESS. IT'S ABOUT 10 FT. LONG AND UNDER 4 FT. THESE ARE NOT EVEN LESS THAN 4. FT IS FINE. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY SO LET'S UH LET'S HOLD IT RIGHT THERE. UH, RAKESH OF THE 52 POINTS THAT YOU MADE. HAS EVERYTHING BEEN ADDRESSED. GENTLEMEN I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU AND I WAS REMISS AND NOT SWEARING YOU ALL EARLIER. SO DO YOU ALL SWEAR, AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. I DO. THANK YOU. GOOD THING I WAS ABOUT TO START LYING. UM. SO, YEAH, THE JUST TO GET BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN'S QUESTION. UM THE APPLICANTS ENGINEER HAS HAS PROVIDED A MEMO WITH POINT BY POINT RESPONSE AND THEY'VE AGREED TO COMPLY WITH JUST ABOUT ALL OF OUR OUR COMMENTS. UH AND MR SHAFTS IS GONE THROUGH. YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE COMMENTS TO ELICIT THE TESTIMONY, WHICH I APPRECIATE, SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT. HE DOES THAT SO I DON'T TALK, BUT I STILL KEEP TALKING. UM AND, UH, JUST TWO POINTS, THOUGH, UM ONE WITH REGARD TO THE STORM WATER. I UNDERSTAND THE RCC IS REVIEWED IT AND I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE STORM WATER, JUST REALLY, A MATTER OF FORM MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE. WE'RE NOT REQUESTING A WAIVER HERE, RIGHT? YOU YOU, YOU HAVE DATA THAT SHOWS THAT THERE'S NO RECHARGE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION. SO THEREFORE YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING RECHARGE IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A WAIVER BECAUSE IF YOU ASK FOR A WAIVER, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE MITIGATION AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE FACT THAT THAT ROCK AND SHALLOW ROCK. THERE IS NO INFILTRATING RIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT? SO TECHNICALLY IT AND I'M SAYING THIS REALLY BECAUSE OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT IF YOU IF YOU SEEK A WAIVER . YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE MEDICATION, NOT YOU. SO YOU'RE NOT SEEKING A WAIVER. YOU'RE ACTUALLY SAYING I HAVE NO GROUND WITH RECHARGE THE EXISTING CONDITION. THEREFORE I DON'T NEED TO HAVE ME RECHARGE IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION THAT IS CORRECT. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. UM AND THEN ONE OTHER THING IS UH, THE APPLICATION WILL BE SUBJECT TO A REVIEW BY THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER WITH REGARD TO THE SEWER. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ON THE WHOLE, YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST. SOMETHING IN THE DECK CHAIR IS MORE OR LESS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT YOU PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT THAT MR HERMAN NEEDS TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION FROM A SEWER CAPACITY STANDPOINT, JUST SO BECAUSE THAT'S UNDER HIS PURVIEW. ABSOLUTELY THERE WAS ACTUALLY A LETTER SUBMITTED TO HIS OFFICE.OK, PERFECT. THAT OUTLINES THAT YO. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT INCREASING LICENSE PAD, WE'RE ONLY ACTIVATING LIKE A FEW BEDS AND GAVE HIM SOME INFORMATION. AND THEN THE FLOW IS VERY DE MINIMIS AND HE WAS, I THINK, SATISFIED WITH IT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM. WE'LL JUST NEED SOMETHING FROM HIM. UH BEFORE AGAIN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE COMPLETE WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET DEEMED COMPLETE. WE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT LETTER SENT TO HIM SO HE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVEAL IT. WE SAW. OK, GREAT. THIS AND SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FUTURE , BUT WE'VE ALREADY PAID PARTIALLY, OR, UH, SEWER CAPACITY CHARGES, SO THERE IS A CAPACITY UM AGREEMENT BETWEEN CARRIER AND HOW COMMITTEE. AND YOU'RE RIGHT IN SAYING THAT IF, UH THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE MONEY, WHICH I DOUBT BUT IF THERE IS THERE IS AND IF THERE HAS TO BE A AMENDMENT TO THAT. RIGHT, LET'S DO EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. UH, OTHER THAN THAT, MR CHAIRMAN , I HAVE I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAKESH? OKAY. THANK YOU.
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ON THE PROPERTY. I. THEY BASICALLY WE'RE GOING. TO WHICH WHICH PAGE A RE YOU ON? EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. WHICH PAGE? ARE YOU ON? ARE YOU ON THIS BIG MEMO? OR ARE YOU ON THE , UH, THE DIRECT ONE FROM THE SH THE SHADE TREE COMMITTEE. FOLLOWING THE LETTER. YES SO WHAT PAGE? ARE WE ON HERE? I THINK THE SHADE TREE COMMISSION, THE BUREAU OF THE PAPER. PAGE 11. MORE.CAN WE TAKE A STEP BACK? EX EXCUSE. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. UM A REARE THE, UH, TREES THAT WILL BE PLANTED, UM GOING TO BE ALL NATIVE TREES. THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT WERE NOT NATIVE. WAS TO MAKE HIM NATIVE. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH MR BAR. OK, GOOD.
OKAY? WELL. MR BARTONE IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND CAPABLE, BUT HE'S A LOT NICER THAN I AM.
NICER THAN I AM. VERY NICE. SO. YEAH. MAY I ASK WHAT THE. WE FOLLOWED THE REQUIRED STORMWATER REGULATIONS BY THE DC AND THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE. CAN YOU? CAN YOU GO BACK BECAUSE ONE THING WASN'T THE LEAD STUFF, AND I THINK THERE'S A EXPLANATION ON THAT. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL ANSWER THAT ONE. I MEAN, A ONE. PAGE 11, A ONE THE BIG ONE. A ONE A. ONE JUST TO CONFIRM ON PAGE 11 A ONE DEALING WITH LEAD. I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECT WHEN HE COMES UP, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. OK? UM. IF I JUST ZIP THROUGH. I THINK A LOT OF THIS STUFF WAS DIRECTLY RESPONDED TO AND I'M GONNA, I THINK I NOTE IT WHERE THEY SPECIFICALLY WANTED. UH, TESTIMONY UM. AND I'M GOING THROUGH THE LETTER AND I THINK I'M OVER TO PAGE 14 BEFORE I START SEEING SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD MENTION. WORKING WITH YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. UM. THAT THERE IS A COUPLE OF SIGNAGE WITHIN THE SITE THAT HE WANTS TO WORK WITH. PUTTING BETTER SIGNS WITH SPEED HUMPS ARE MAKING SURE THAT KEY SIGNS ARE UP TO THE PARENT CODE SUCH AS, UH, CROSSWALKS AND STOP SIGNS. UM THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT AN INTERNAL INTERSECTION. I'LL WORK WITH HIM ON THAT ABOUT SOME OF THE STRIPING WELL. BE ABLE TO RE MODIFY. I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WORKING OUT HIS COMMENTS WITHIN UM TRAFFIC COMMENT STATEMENT. WELL EXCUSE ME BACK TO PAGE 12. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHETHER ALL THE REST OF THE LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE NATIVE PLANTS. I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO YOU. NOW THAT IT'S ALL GONNA BE MADE. THANK YOU. THE LAST THING, PROBABLY FOR THE TRAFFIC. UM YOU. OH, APPLICATION. MHM. RECOMMEND. CONVERSATION VERY RECENTLY AND
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THIS. COUNT. YEAH, I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A COPY OF THE EMAIL. UM, WE HAD AN EXCHANGE WITH THE COUNTY. UH, WE HAD AN EXCHANGE WITH THE COUNTY. ABOUT THE STATUS. OF AND THEY BASICALLY CONFIRMED UM THAT THEY ARE EVALUATING IT. IT'S I'M GONNA READ IT VERBATIM, SO I'M NOT MAKING A MISTAKE HERE. THE INVESTIGATION IS STILL IN A VERY PRELIMINARY LEVEL, SO NO ALTERNATE. NO ALTERNATIVE HAS BEEN CHOSEN. NO CONSTRUCTION DATE HAS BEEN SET. SO THAT'S WHAT THE INFORMATION WE WERE ABLE TO GET. ARE YOU GONNA HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TESTIFY AT ALL OR NO? NO OKAY. THE WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA GIVE JOE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT HIS MEMO.GENERALLY SPEAKING, I DON'T HAVE UM MR IANNELLI HAS AGREED TO A LOT OF THIS MINOR TECHNICAL THINGS LIKE A STOP SIGNS AT THE WRONG HEIGHT OR THIS. THE SPEED BUMP SIGN IS MISSING IN THE KEY, AND HE CAN CONFIRM THIS THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO AS SOON AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO WALK THE SITE WITH ME TO GO THROUGH AND SAY, OK, THIS STOP SIGN NEEDS TO BE MOVED THAT CROSSWALK SIGNS IN THE WRONG SPOT. THERE'S NOTHING MAJOR THAT WOULD STOP THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S JUST LITTLE CLEAN UP ITEMS THAT IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN WE SHOULD FIX ALL AT ONCE.
OK? WE JUST LIKE TO GET THAT TESTIMONY IN PAGE 17. FOR SHE WANTS TO KNOW WHETHER WHAT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OF PATIO AND LANDSCAPING. JUST ONE I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PLANTING AND SELECTION FOR THE GREENHOUSE AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE AROUND THE GREENHOUSE. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS A LITTLE VERSATILITY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A GREENHOUSE AS PART OF THE FUNCTION. FOR THE SERVICES AT THE FACILITY. UM SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE DETAILS RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE GREENHOUSE. IT'S GOING TO BE A FUNCTIONING GREENHOUSE, AND THERE WILL BE SOME EXTERNAL PLANTING. THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH IT. I JUST DON'T HAVE A DETAIL. MR BART. I CAN SPEAK TO MR BARONE ON THIS. SO YOU'LL SPEAK WITH MISTER BARTONE OR OR GET APPROVAL FROM THIS BAR. I. I JUST WANT TO HAVE HAVE MR ARNEL SAY THAT. AND.
NATIVE PLANT TREES OLD CLAIM AND . ONE SECOND JUST JUST FOR THE CHAIRMAN. YES. I MEAN, I. I KNOW YOU WANT TO. I'LL MAKE SURE I SAID IT. SPEAK AND GET HIS APPROVAL ON YOU. OK? WE GOT THAT. THANK YOU APPRECIATE THAT. UM, STREET TREES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH THERE. JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT THEY REQUESTED TESTIMONY ON YOU GET ON THE TWO YEAR GUARANTEE. YES, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THE TWO YEAR GUARANTEE. RIGHT? YEAH. AND I THINK I'M OVER TO THE PLANNERS MEMO A. OH, THE HABITAT. THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN PAGE 19 ITEM, C.
IS REFERRING TO A SOMETHING CALLED THE AMERICAN CAST. CASTRO A LITTLE CLOCK. UM. EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING. ISN'T THAT THEIR HABITAT? WE HAD AN ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST WALK. THE SITE CHECKED IT FOR SPECIES FOR WETLANDS AND MAKE SURE WE WERE NOT AFFECTING ANYTHING CRITICAL.
UM EVERYTHING WE'RE WORKING IN ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY MAINTAIN LAW AND AREA WHICH IS NOT CONDUCIVE.
WITH THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT, IF ANYTHING, US PLANTING AN ACRE OF MEADOW AND LETTING IT GO BACK TO ITS NATURAL STATE. MAY END UP BEING A BENEFIT, BUT WHERE WE'RE WORKING NOW IS MAIN LAW. AND
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WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE AFTER THE BASINS? BILL IS A LITTLE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE METAL, WHICH MAY BE MORE CONDUCIVE. WHILE IT MAY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, BELIEVES THAT SINCE IT'S MAINTAINED PARKING LOTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. OK? I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ON A PLANNER'S MEMO THAT TRY TO STREAMLINE THIS A LITTLE BIT WAS DELIGHTING. AND THE TREES. IN THE FENCES. I'LL MAKE SURE. OH, YEAH, IT WAS. YES, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE. UM THE LOADING AND TRASH IS NOT CHANGING. CURRENTLY LOCATED. IN THE BACK OF THE SITE. I'M POINTING TO IT HERE IN THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING. WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE BEDS. THEY ARE CURRENTLY GOING TO BE UTILIZING THE SAME. AREAS FOR LOADING IN THE SAME AREAS. TRASH THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT WE NOW CREATE IS AN ACTUAL AMBULANCE. PLACE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY UNLOAD PATIENTS. SO THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES.OH, YES. SO THERE IS A SMALL EMERGENCY GENERATOR. OPPOSED. UM, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
AND HE ASKED US TO PROVIDE SCREENING FOR THAT WHICH WE DID. I THINK HE HAD SOME COMMENTS THAT WILL DEFINITELY ADDRESS AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME HV AC UNITS. THAT HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE SCREENED. OBVIOUSLY WE DID OUR BEST TO SCREEN UP SOME OF THE HV AC AND THAT YOU CAN'T SCREEN UP RIGHT UP AGAINST THEM. HE HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, AND I BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED ALL OF THEM. BUT I WILL DEFINITELY CONFIRM THAT WE ADDRESSED IT TO SATISFACTION.
NOW. UM, I THINK THE LIGHTING WE'VE COVERED, UM. I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY 12 NEW LIGHTS BEING PUT IN THE RELATIVELY LOW AT 16 FT. LIKE I MENTIONED TWO ITEMS HE WAS CONCERNED WITH. WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO ADD ON THE LIGHTING, BUT I'LL DEFER TO THE PLANNER. FENCES AND WALLS. I PROVIDED AN EXHIBIT WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT FENCE TYPES. BUT CAN I ASK ABOUT THE FENCE? EXCUSE ME. GOOD. YEAH. S. SO FOR THE C, COULD YOU, UM IN, THE IN THE CURRENT STATE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE ADOLESCENT BEDS . ARE THERE ALREADY 14 FT FENCES ON THE PROPERTY. EXISTING. AROUND THE YARD. I DID THE APPLICATION. THAT ALREADY EXIST.
AND SO THE AND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE YOU'RE HAVING THE 14 FT FENCE, COULD YOU BLOW THAT UP A LITTLE BIT AND SHOW WHERE THAT IS, EXACTLY AND DO WE HAVE, LIKE, UH, LANDSCAPING AROUND IT, SO IT'S NOT SO HARSH WHEN YOU YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA SEE? YES, WE DO HAVE LANDSCAPING AROUND IT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA. THERE'S THREE COURTYARDS. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THERE'S THESE MOUNTAIN ROAD, YOU SEE IT. THE ONES BACK OVER HERE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. SO YOU'RE ALMOST YOU KNOW, THAT SIDE IS CLOSE TO 200 GET THE EXACT DIMENSION. MHM. OK? YEAH, THAT'S LIKE 240 FT BACK. SO WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, DO YOU SEE THIS? UH, THIS AREA I'M HIGHLIGHTING HERE. THAT IS THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE A COURTYARD AREA THAT'S GONNA HAVE THE FENCING.
THE OTHER ONE'S BACK HERE, WHICH IS REALLY IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. AND THE OTHER ONE'S ONLY A ALONG THIS LEG. IT IT CONNECTING THE TWO WINGS OF THE BUILDING, SO IT'S REALLY FAR BACK. IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE SEEN, AND IT'S ALSO BLACK. AND IT'S YOU KNOW, SO IT'S GONNA BLEND MORE THAN YOU KNOW. IT'S NOT A PROMINENT FENCE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE. IT'S ALMOST GOING TO BLEND TO THE INTO THE EITHER BLEND ALMOST LOOK SOLID IN A SENSE. SO
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IT'S. THE TRICK HERE WAS TO TRY TO FIND A FENCE THAT WOULD WORK PROVIDE THE SECURITY. AND STILL LOOK RELATIVELY ATTRACTIVE AND STILL BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE ROAD. THAT REALLY IS, IT'S ALMOST AN INTERNAL THING. WHEN IT COMES TO THE I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA REALLY SEE THIS UNLESS YOU'RE DRIVING. INTERNALLY TO THE SITE. THE PLAN OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO YOU MIND ON THAT POINT? COULD YOU SHOW US THE FENCING AGAIN? THE SAMPLE. MIND IF I WALK IT UP TO YOU? OK? A. TO A OK? MR SCHATZMAN. IS THIS SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD SECRETARY TO KEEP THE SAMPLE OR. KEEP IT. WE WANT THIS TO BE AN EXHIBIT, OK? AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXHIBITS UH, WELL, I KNOW THAT. BUT WHEN MISTER IANELLI WAS TESTIFYING, HIS REFERENCE WAS EX ONE X 23455 B. THE EXHIBIT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT IN IS A ONE SO JUST IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, HOW DO YOU WANT TO, UH WANT TO SET THIS UP SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONFUSION LATER ABOUT WHAT THE NUMBERING IS. NO WE'RE WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE EXHIBITS THAT MR IANNELLI SHARED WITH US DURING HIS TESTIMONY. PART OF. WELL. THESE. OK? ALL RIGHT. UH, WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS TO AVOID CONFUSION NOW, SINCE MR IANNELLI HAS LABELED THEM ALREADY WITH EXHIBIT NUMBERS, WHY DON'T WE. YOU WERE A. ONE THAT'S OK. WE'LL LEAVE. WE'LL LEAVE THEM AS NUMBERED. IT'S OK. IT'S ALL RIGHT. AND THIS ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, LET'S SEE. MANY OTHER STATE THAT I HAVE FOR THE PLANS. HO! HOLD ON A SECOND. HANG ON ONE SEC. SO WHAT WE'LL CALL THIS IS WE'LL CALL THIS FENCING MATERIAL WE'RE UP TO, I GUESS EX. SIX. ALRIGHT, AND THAT'S SAMPLE. AND MR IANNELLI THAT IS SAMPLE FENCING MATERIAL FOR WHICH FENCE THE 14 FT FENCE.GOT IT. THAT IS CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WHAT I'M SHOWING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS ON EX. TWO AND I APOLOGIZE. THOSE ARE JUST NAMING CONVENTIONS WE USE AND I HOPE IT DIDN'T CAUSE ANY CONFUSION. WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE. WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS IN BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS AND VERY FAR BACK. THIS AREA HERE. THAT'S CLOSING THE TWO WINGS, SO THIS COURTYARD IS CLOSED. IN THIS AREA HERE, WHICH IS REALLY IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. SO WHILE YOU KNOW THOSE THAT IS A HIGH FENCE. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. HOW FAR BACK IT IS AND HOW TUCKED INTO THE BACKGROUND IT WILL BE FROM WHEN DRIVING BY ON THE ROAD. HOW HIGH ARE THE YOU HAVE YOUR NEW PARKING SPOTS RIGHT ALONG HERE WITH THE FENCES UP UP UP. AND THEY GO. WEST. YEP HOW HIGH ARE THOSE? I ASSUME THAT'S SOME SORT OF HEDGEROW IN FRONT OF THEM.
YEAH. IN TALKING TO MR BARLOW, AND HE ASKED ME TO SCREEN THOSE. AND WE PROVIDED. YOU KNOW, WITH SOME EVERGREEN SCREENING, WILL THEY BE HIGH ENOUGH TO SCREEN THE FENCE, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THEM. DO YOU THINK FOR CARS TRAVELING EAST. MR RELLI, UH, OK? OKAY THE TREES WILL BE PLANTED A T A CERTAIN HEIGHT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE GREAT DIFFERENCE, TOO. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. OH, SURE. YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE RENDERING. UM WENT
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THROUGH THE FRENCH EXHIBITS. I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I THINK I TOUCHED EVERYTHING IN DIRECT. FOR CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 1524. APPROVAL. A. 55.THE WE CAN LEAVE. MM. OK, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
B BREAK OVER. IT IS OK, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. YES, WE DO. TONY. YEAH. UH, MR ANEL. I. I'M JUST GUESSING THAT THE ENTRANCE FOR AMBULANCES WOULD BE ON THE WEST. MOST ENTRY
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ON EAST SIDE EAST MOUNTAIN AVENUE. IS THAT CORRECT? UM I WOULD THINK THAT IF THAT'S WHERE THE IF THEY'RE COMING IN. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S WITH THE NEW WHY WHERE WE'RE CREATING. THEY CAN GO IN. YOU CAN PULL IN AND THERE'S A THERE'S AN AREA TO PULL FORWARD AND BACK UP. THANK YOU. I ALSO I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THIS IS NO INCREASE IN BEDS. THIS APPLICATION. NO INCREASE IN THE BED THAT IS CORRECT. SO YOU'VE INCREASED BEDS FOR ADOLESCENCE.HAVE YOU DECREASED BEDS ELSEWHERE ON THE CAMPUS? WHAT'S GOING ON? IS THAT THERE AND I TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AS BEST I CAN THEY'RE CREATING A SPACE FOR 52 BEDS, RIGHT? THERE ARE ACTIVATING. UM. 16 BEDS. THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THEIR LICENSE BEATS BECAUSE SOMETIMES BEDS GO. THE 297 LICENSED BEDS ARE THERE I BELIEVE IT'S 36 OR 38 THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ADOLESCENT. AND THEN THEY HAVE BEDS THAT ARE ELSEWHERE ON SITE THAT THAT 16 COME FROM. THEY'RE JUST MOVING THEM AROUND. AND BASICALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE LICENSE PADS STAY THE SAME. I THINK I COULD. THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN EXPLAIN IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL SERVE. COULD YOU FIRST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND SPELL IT? YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN AND USE THE MIC. YOU SAID D OS S . CORRECT ALRIGHTY, AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND. UH, YES. UM, I GRADUATED FROM AUBURN. IN 1990. SO I'VE BEEN PRACTICING FOR MORE YEARS THAN I LIKE TO ADMIT, UM, I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING IN PHILADELPHIA, NEW JERSEY, DELAWARE, THE NORTH EAST. WE GOT FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS EXCLUSIVELY. IN HEALTH CARE. I AM LICENSED IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY ALONG WITH, I THINK SO I HAVE. I HAVE NOT TESTIFIED IN THIS MUNICIPALITY, BUT I'VE TESTIFIED. AND THE PLAN HERE PREPARED YES.
YEP. PROCEED. SO. I JUST LIKE TO START YOU KNOW, WITH KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF MAYBE THIS WILL GIVE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT TO, UM TO SOME OF THE INFORMATION AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE DIRECTED AT UH TO MARIO. SO UM, THIS IS AN OVERALL UM SITE PLAN OF THE CAMPUS. AND SO WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO TO START WITH WAS GO OVER THE PHASING OF THE PROJECTS AS AS THEIR AS THEIR ENVISION TODAY. SO WE HAVE, UH, THE FIRST PHASE WE'VE DIVIDED INTO PHASE ONE A AND A PHASE ONE B. UH A IS DEMOING THE EXISTING BUILDING AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. OR UM, AND JUST SOME SITE WORK, YOU KNOW, SOME SITE PREP WORK. UH, PHASE ONE B IS THAT SMALL, LITTLE 795 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION ONTO THE EXISTING BUILDING. HERE. UM ALSO PART OF PHASE ONE. A I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED. THAT IS UP HERE IS, UM THAT A NEW INTEREST TO THE ECT. UM UH, FACILITY, SO THAT'S JUST, UM, A WAY FOR, UM, FOR VISITORS TO ACCESS THAT FACILITY . IT'S REALLY KIND OF BURIED WITHIN THE CAMPUS TODAY. NO REAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE, THAT'S ALL KIND OF SITE WORK. DO DO YOU HAVE OUTPATIENTS FOR YOUR ECT TREATMENT? DO YOU KNOW YOU DO OK? UM. SO THE OTHER PART OF PHASE ONE IS THE ADDITION OF THE ADOLESCENT. UM, UH, BUILDING.
UH, THOSE ARE THE 52 BEDS THAT WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING OF UM AS UH SO THE ADOLESCENT BEDS ARE ARE, UM, CURRENTLY IN THIS AREA THEY MOVED DOWN TO HERE. UH THEN, AFTER THIS, UH, AREA IS VACATED,
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IT'S GOING TO BE RENOVATED FOR ADULT BEDS. THE ADULT BEDS ARE GOING TO BE MOVED INTO THERE AND THEN WHAT IS ONE OF THE OLDER BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS IN YELLOW? IS GOING TO BE RENOVATED FOR ADMINISTRATION SPACE. SO THOSE ARE THE BEDS THAT KIND OF ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF MOVE AROUND. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PHASING OF THE SITE PLAN BEFORE I MOVE ON WHATTHE ADULT UNIT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE RENOVATIONS? ARE THE ADULT. WELL TODAY THE ADULTS ARE IN THIS AREA. THE ADOLESCENTS ARE HERE, SO ADOLESCENTS MOVE DOWN AND THIS IS VACANT. GOT YOU. ALRIGHT SO SINCE WE'RE STILL CONTINUING WITH NUMBERING EXHIBITS, I GUESS WE'RE UP TO EXHIBIT. UH SEVEN.WE'LL CALL THIS SEVEN. MR CHAIRMAN. WHILE WE'RE ON THE PHASING. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THAT'S IN THE. BUILDING TO ME, DEMOED AND THE TRAILERS. THAT ARE WHERE THE NEW WING IS GOING. ARE THEY BEING ABSORBED ON SITE? ARE THEY BEING MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE EMPLOYEES WHILE THIS WORK IS GOING ON? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE BEING ABSORBED INTO OTHER AREAS IN THAT ARE ON THE CAMPUS OF SITE, SO THERE ARE NO NEW AREAS BEING CONSTRUCTED. THANK YOU. UM, THE NEXT THING I'D I'D LIKE TO MOVE INTO IS, UH, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL. UH, SIGNAGE ON THE ON THE SITE, SO I WILL GO THROUGH THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE BUILDING SIGNAGE NOW. UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE AREA THAT IS, UH, THE NEW ENTRANCE TO THE ECT SUITE. SO UM, THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING A SMALL SITE WALL WITH A PORTAL THAT YOU COME THROUGH. THERE IS A BUILDING SIGN ON ON THIS WALL. THIS IS THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR LAST MEETING. WHERE UM, IF YOU KNOW IF WE LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF AREA ON THAT SIGN VERSUS THE ENTIRE FACADE WERE WELL WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE LIMITS THERE. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS ON WHAT IS THE FAMILY RESOURCE AND TRAINING CENTER EDITION THAT 795 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION. AND ON THAT ONE WE HAVE, UM UH YOU KNOW A LITTLE SIGN. HERE. AND ONE HERE AND THEY ARE BOTH WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE. REQUIREMENTS.
THEN THE FINAL ONE THAT WE HAVE IS THE ONE THAT'S ON THE MAIN ADOLESCENT BUILDING THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE. UH, THIS ONE IS THE ONE THAT ALTHOUGH WE ARE, UM SLIGHTLY OVER, AND THAT'S OVER TO SO THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIZE FOR THE TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE SIGN AS THEY APPROACH WE'RE OVER BECAUSE WE'RE COUNTING YOU CAN SEE IN THIS. WE'RE COUNTING THE ENTIRE KIND OF BOX AROUND THOSE GRAPHICS. UH THESE ARE PINNED LETTERS SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE BUILDING FACADE THROUGH THEM . SO THE ACTUAL, UM, AREA OF SIGNAGE. IS IT ACTUALLY, MUCH LESS THAN THAT, AND, UH, AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WE REVIEWED THIS AND IT WAS PROPORTIONAL TO THE BUILDING. THE NEXT. WE'LL JUST MAKE THIS EXHIBIT EIGHT. ALL YOUR SIGNAGE SLIDES THEN IS THERE ANY MORE SIGNAGE OR GREAT? MOVING ON TO THE NEXT EXHIBITS. UH, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DEALING WITH THE SCALE AND SIZE OF THE LANDSCAPING, BOTH AT ITS INITIAL INSTALLATION AND HAD ITS MATURITY. SO UM, THIS IS, UH, LET ME SLIDE UP HERE. THIS IS A VIEW OF THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING FROM EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD. UH, LOOKING. UM, I GUESS THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST. AND SEEING WHERE THE LANDSCAPE IS GOING IN. SO YOU CAN SEE BACK HERE. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THIS. THIS IS THAT 14 FT HIGH FENCE THAT ENCLOSES THAT COURTYARD AND THIS KIND OF GHOSTED IMAGE IN THE GREEN. THAT'S THE LANDSCAPING THAT GOES IN AT THOSE PARKING LOTS. SO YOU SEE THAT IT IS EFFECTIVELY SCREENING. THAT FENCE THERE. AND THAT'S FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN IT'S PLANTED OR IS THAT AT MATURITY THE TWO YEAR MARK I WILL VERIFY THAT. UM AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER SPECIES THAT ARE IN HERE IN THE AND, UH, THE PINK AND THE BLUE IN HERE,
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SO YOU JUST GET US A SENSE OF THE SCALE. OF THE LANDSCAPING IN THIS ZONE. UH, THE NEXT. VERSION OF THE LANDSCAPING IS EAST MOUNTAIN DRIVE, LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE BUILDING. SO YOU SEE THE GREENS. THOSE ARE THE EVERGREENS THAT ARE THAT ARE BEING PLANTED THERE. SO YOU SEE THAT THE BUILDING IS VERY EFFECTIVELY SCREENED FROM EAST MOUNTAIN. I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE RED LINES AROUND ARE JUST DATA LINES THAT GIVE YOU A SENSE OF UPSCALE. AROUND THE SIDE. AND FINALLY, UH, MOVING, UH, FURTHER DOWN EAST MOUNTAIN AND LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST, UM AT THE BUILDING. YOU START TO SEE. UM AGAIN. THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE ADOLESCENT AND THE LANDSCAPING. THAT'S A LONG THAT EXISTING STEEL FENCE AND HOW MUCH IT FEELS FILLS IN. THEN UM, THE NEXT SERIES GOES ON TO SHOW THE SAME LANDSCAPING AT MATURITY. AND SO, UH, AGAIN, THE SAME SEQUENCE, UH, ON EAST MOUNTAIN. LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST AND AGAIN, YOU SEE THE, UM THE FENCE AND OF THAT COURTYARD AND THE SHADE TREES AND THEIR SIZE AND MATURITY. UM.AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FROM STRAIGHT EAST MOUNTAIN, LOOKING STRAIGHT BACK AT THE BUILDING AND YOU KNOW QUITE LARGE TREES AT. AND THE FINAL VIEW, LOOKING BACK TO THE NORTHWEST TOWARD THE BUILDING ON EAST MOUNTAIN. THE SIZES OF THE SHADE TREES, THE EVERGREENS.
TREES. SO. UM I GUESS WE MARK THIS. THESE UH WHY ARE WE JUST WE'LL JUST SAY, COLLECTIVELY EXHIBIT NINE. SO, UM, ANY. BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE BUILDING RENDERINGS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING LANDSCAPING? TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. IT'S GREAT. UM SO JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE IS UM, THE QUESTIONS REGARDING DESIGNING TO LEAD WHILE THIS PROJECT IS NOT SEEKING THE CERTIFICATION OR ANY KIND OF, UM YOU KNOW, UM COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I? I AM SORRY. UH, WHILE WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY LEAD CERTIFICATION AS PART OF THE PROJECT I, I THINK, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM FROM , UH, MARI'S TESTIMONY ON THE SITE REMEDIATION WE'RE DOING AND RESTORING HABITAT. UM, WE HAVE, UM. AT EVERY STAGE OF DESIGN DESIGNED WITH SUSTAINABILITY IN MIND. AND IN PARTICULAR I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THIS, UH, ELEVATION THIS VIEW OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT ILLUSTRATES A LOT OF THE PASSIVE DESIGN FEATURES THAT WE ARE INTEGRATING TO IMPROVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND JUST THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE OF THE BUILDING. SO UH, WHILE WE HAVE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SOME LARGE AREAS OF, UH STOREFRONT GLASS, YOU KNOW? ALL OF THOSE AREAS ARE SHADED WITH BOTH, UH VERTICAL FINS THAT PROJECT AND, UH, LARGE ROOF OVERHANGS, SO WE DON'T GET THAT, YOU KNOW, HARSH SOLAR. UM SOLAR HEAT GAIN IN THOSE AREAS. AND SO THAT'S JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF SOME OF THE PASSIVE FEATURES THAT ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE BUILDING. UH OBVIOUSLY, OUR ENERGY SYSTEMS ARE ALL MODERN AND EFFICIENT. AND YOU KNOW, WHILE I DON'T WANT TO. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO, UM, SAY ANYTHING WE DID GO BACK AFTER OUR LAST MEETING. DO A RUN THROUGH OF IF WE WERE GOING TO, UM TO IS IT? WHERE WOULD WE FALL IN THE LEAD SPECTRUM, AND WE WOULD WE WOULD QUITE SAFELY BE ABLE TO BE CERTIFIED AS A BUIL. I WILL SAY THAT. YOU KNOW, THE VARIOUS MATERIALS ARE ON THE PROJECT. WE HAVE, UM THIS. THE STONE WE HAVE THE, UH UH, FIBER CEMENT LAP SIDING. WHAT IS WHAT LOOKS LIKE METAL ON THE BUILD WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE A WORD IS ACTUALLY A METAL. THAT'S A WOOD LOOK FINISH, SO IT'S VERY LONG, LASTING AND DURABLE. AND THEN WE HAVE A SILVER MEDAL TRIM. THIS IS AGAIN A RENDERING OF THE F RT C. UH, EDITION, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE LITTLE CORNER EDITION. THAT'S NOW KIND OF THE, UH, ENTRANCE POINT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, WHO ARE COMING FOR TRAINING OR FAMILY WHO ARE COMING FROM ORIENTATION. SO THE
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IDEA WAS TO GIVE THIS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PART OF THE ADOLESCENT UNIT TO GIVE IT THE SAME DESIGN FIELD AND EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE, UM, USING THAT. UM. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RENDERINGS BEFORE I MOVE, AND I GUESS THOSE WOULD BE EXHIBIT 10. RIGHT? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED SOLAR PANELS? UM. WE HAVE CONSIDERED WE DID CONSIDER SOLAR PANELS. THERE'S A FLAT A MASSIVELY HUGE SOLAR ARRAY ON THE SITE ALREADY. SO UH, WE ARE. WE DO HAVE ON SITE RENEWABLES FOR. UH, FOR THE AMOUNT OF ROOF AND THINGS THAT WE WERE REALLY WEREN'T CONTRIBUTING MUCH MORE TO THAT THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE. A PART OF THE PROGRAM. IT WAS PROVED. SOME YEARS BACK. SO, UM. IS THAT'S THAT'S REALLY, UM MOST OF WHAT I HAD TO TESTIFY ABOUT. BESIDES THE QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO. WHATEVER. GO. OK JAMES. UH AND HE, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, WE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS IN OUR REVIEW. AND IN OUR REPORT, UM, WE ASKED FOR SOME, SOME CHANGE SOME FIXES TO THE PLAN, CLARIFICATIONS AND, UM, A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THIS WOULD ULTIMATELY LOOK LIKE, UH, MR DOSS HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, SO I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER SOME FOR THE BOARD. YEAH.IS ANYONE GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW? THE REASON FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE IT YOU KNOW YOU WERE SO ELOQUENT IN THE IN THE YOU KNOW, SUBCOMITTEE MEETING. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD TO KNOW THAT GOOD. OK? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
IT'S GOOD YOU YOU CAN SIT SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. IS CAFA. COULD YOU FIRST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? IT'S CHRISTINE NAZZARO NAZZAROC. AND THAT'S CHRISTINE, WITH ACH. BUSINESS. AND DO YOU SWEAR FROM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU.
PROFESSIONAL. BACKGROUND AND YOUR EDUCATION FOR THE BOARD WITH. YES CERTAINLY GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD. CHRISTINE NAZZARO PHONE. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL PLANNER. I'VE BEEN PRACTICING AS SUCH FOR ABOUT 28 YEARS NOW IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE FROM RUTGERS IN CITY AND REGIONAL PLANNING. I AM CURRENTLY THE PRINCIPAL AND OWNER OF THE CAPONE CONSULTING GROUP, A FIRM THAT I OPENED IN 2009. I HAVE TESTIFIED HERE IN MONTGOMERY AND BEFORE WELL OVER 400 OR SO PLANNING AND ZONING BOARDS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. I TEACH PLANNING AND ZONING COURSES FOR THE RUTGERS CENTER FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICES, AND MY LICENSES ARE CURRENT AND VALID. VERY GOOD PROCEED. SO MOVED THANK YOU. YES. IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. YES. I HAVE DONE ALL OF THAT? YES.
WHAT. TWO. TWO. OF COURSE. SO MY OFFICE PREPARED A TESTIMONY OUTLINE. THAT WAS AN INTERNAL
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TEAM DOCUMENT FOR US. WE DID NOT SUBMIT TO THE BOARD OF PLANNING REPORT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED HERE AS A CHECKLIST ITEM IN MONTGOMERY TO BE DEEMED COMPLETE . SO THE DOCUMENT THAT MR UM THAT RICHARD IS REFERRING TO IS A PLANNING REPORT IS AN INTERNAL TEAM MEMO THAT WE ESSENTIALLY I PREPARED MY OFFICE PREPARED SO STATUTORILY, THE BOARD CAN GRANT THE VARIANCE RELIEF THAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT. UNDER THE SEAS CRITERIA THEY, WHICH MEANS THE USE IS PER IN THE ZONE. SO BACK IN 2011. YOUR MASTER PLAN HERE IN MONTGOMERY RECOGNIZED THIS AS AN EXISTING NON CONFORMING SITE, AND THERE WAS A MODIFICATION TO YOUR ORDINANCE MAKING THIS A PERMITTED USE IN THE MOUNTAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONE. SO ALL OF THE RELIEF THAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS EITHER BULK BULK CRITERIA OR LOCATIONS OF THE FENCE OR BUFFERS, MEANING THAT THIS USE IS CONTEMPLATED LEGISLATIVELY BY THE GOVERNING BODY IN THIS LOCATION, IT'S A PERMITTED USE. SO THERE'S TWO MECHANISMS THAT THE BOARD CAN GRANT SEE VARIANCES. YOU CAN GRANT THEM UNDER 40 COLON, 55 D 70 C ONE OR C TWO. THE FIRST IS AND I. I THINK BOTH ARE APPLICABLE HERE. I THINK THAT WE FALL UNDER THE C ONE AND C TWO CRITERIA OF THE STATUTE BECAUSE THE C ONE CRITERIA TALK ABOUT, UM, HARDSHIPS RELATING TO A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THE LAND USE LAW IS VERY CLEAR THE LANGUAGE IN THERE. IT'S NOT MY CRAFTY PLANNING LINGO THAT I CAME UP WITH IN MY 28 YEARS OF PRACTICING, AND IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. IT COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE FULL LAND USE LAW, AND IT TALKS ABOUT NUMBER ONE. THE UNIQUE SHAPE SIZE OR TOPOGRAPHY OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY OR THE LAWFUL PRE EXISTING STRUCTURES EXISTING THERE ON THIS IS A CAMPUS THAT'S ALMOST 100 ACRES AND WE PROVIDED EXTENSIVE EXHIBITS AND TESTIMONY TONIGHT ABOUT THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT MR IANELLI, OUR SITE ENGINEER TESTIFIED TO IS HOW THE ADOLESCENT BUILDING IS PLACED IN A LOCATION SUCH THAT IT WILL CREATE A CONTAINED SPACE FOR THE ADOLESCENTS, BUT IT'S CONNECTED TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, OF COURSE, THE LOCATION OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING HAS TO BE DRIVEN BY THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THERE ON AND WE ARE SEEKING SOME RELIEF FOR THE LOCATION OF THAT BUILDING. UM MR IANNELLI WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE RELIEF THAT'S REQUIRED, BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR A FRONT YARD SETBACK. FOR THAT BUILDING WHERE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES US TO BE SET BACK. UM 100 FT WERE SET BACK 78 FT. A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING VIOLATES THAT 100 FT. SETBACK YOU SAW THE EXHIBITS? I BELIEVE IT WAS EXO TWO. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PULL THAT BACK UP SO THAT WE CAN REFER TO IT, BUT IT'S A VERY SMALL, UM, SMALL PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT ACTUALLY VIOLATES THE SETBACK. WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A SETBACK FOR THE PARKING RIGHT OF WAY.AND TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THAT THAT PARKING AREA. UM THE PARKING IS REQUIRED TO BE SET BACK. 60 FT. WE'RE PROPOSING A SETBACK OF 49 FT AND AGAIN, MR NATALIE TESTIFIED THAT WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW DRIVEWAY AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR ADOLESCENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THE PEOPLE DELIVERING THEM TO THE SITE WHEN THEY'RE YOU KNOW, COMING FOR THE INTAKE PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE REASONABLE AND CONVENIENT ACCESS TO THIS FACILITY. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE VARIANT. WE NEED THAT WE'RE SEEKING WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDING AND THE THAT BACK OF THE PARKING. THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMING STRUCTURE. UM WE ARE WELL BELOW THE FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR THE ZONE. WE ARE WELL BELOW THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. WE ARE WELL BELOW THE BUILDING COVERAGE. SO THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THIS APPLICANT IS COMING EVEN CLOSE TO THE INTENSITY THAT WAS ENVISIONED FOR THIS SITE. ALSO THE BEDS THAT ARE EXISTING ON SITE. THEY'RE JUST BEING SHIFTED AROUND. WE'RE ADDING NO NEW BEDS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION. SO THAT TH THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY I BELIEVE THE C. ONE STATUTORY CRITERIA ARE ADVANCED, GIVEN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY HARDSHIP, THOUGH THE BOARD CAN STILL CERTAINLY REGRET ANY BULK RELIEF THAT'S REQUIRED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE C TWO SECTION OF THE STATUTE, WHICH IS CALLED THE FLEXIBLE C. IF YOU FIND THAT ONE OR MORE PURPOSES IN THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW WOULD BE ADVANCED. AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PURPOSES OF THE LAND USE LAW THAT WOULD BE ADVANCED BY THE GRANT OF THE VARIANCES. IN ADDITION TO THAT PARKING AND BUILDING SET BACK VARIANTS, AND MR IANNELLI WENT OVER ALL OF THE VARIANCES. I CAN GO OVER THEM AGAIN, AND SORT OF GROUP THEM JUST FOR EFFICIENCY. BUT WE ARE SEEKING VARIANCES FOR THE FENCES . MR IANELLI PRESENTED TO YOU THE FOUR TYPES OF FENCING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE HAVE THE 14 FT ANTI CLIMBING FENCE WHERE THE ORDINANCE RESTRICTS US TO 10 FT. WE HAVE THE EXISTING 10 FT CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHICH IS IN THE IN THE CURRENT SIDE YARD. WE HAVE THE RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING
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FENCE ALONG, UM, OUR PROPERTY, THE ONE WITH THE PIER ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AS WELL AS THE WOOD SPLIT RAIL FENCE. WE ARE SEEKING RELIEF FOR THE SETBACKS OF THOSE FENCES IN SOME SITUATIONS, AND IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION AS WELL. SO THIS AGAIN INFORMS MY DECISION AS A PLANNER THAT THIS VARIANCE RELIEF IS ABSOLUTELY BEING DRIVEN BY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. ON THE SITE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EXISTING FENCE FACTS ABOUT 34 FT TO A PUBLIC STREET WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING 27, AND THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 60. SO THAT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION ON THE SITE TODAY. IS IT BEING EXACERBATED BY THIS APPLICATION? YES, IT IS, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY REQUESTING THAT VARIANCE. BUT IT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION ON THE PROPERTY TODAY. UM SO THEN GETTING GETTING TO THE C TWO STATUTORY CRITERIA IN ORDER FOR US TO MEET OUR BURDEN OF PROOF TO BE ENTITLED TO RELIEF UNDER THE C TWO SECTION OF THE STATUTE WE WOULD HAVE TO ADVANCE ONE OR MORE PURPOSES OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW, AND THAT WOULD MEET OUR OBLIGATION. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE FOUR PURPOSES OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW THAT ARE ADVANCED BY THIS APPLICATION.CRITERIA A OF THE LAND USE LAW TALKS ABOUT PROMOTING THE GENERAL WELFARE. THIS IS A USE THE PROPOSED FACILITY THAT IS AN INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE SO AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS INHERENTLY.
IT IS INTRINSICALLY VALUABLE TO SOCIETY AND TO THE GENERAL WELFARE THINGS LIKE RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES. SCHOOLS, UM. RE REHAB FACILITIES, ADULT DAY CARE . THESE ARE THE TYPES OF USES IN NEW JERSEY THAT HAVE BEEN DEEMED TO BE INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL, AND IT'S INTERESTING. IT'S SORT OF, UM IT'S SORT OF LIKE A LIVING CONCEPT, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE IN THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE A HEAD TRAUMA SENSOR, WHICH IS THE PIVOTAL CASE ON INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE. BUT THIS APP THIS TO ME IS CLEARLY OF A SOCIETAL BENEFIT AND MEET THE GENERAL WELFARE CRITERIA. G OF THE LAND USE LAW TALKS ABOUT CREATING SUFFICIENT SPACE IN UM APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR A VARIETY OF USES HERE. THE COMMUNITY IN MONTGOMERY HAS TAKEN THE STEPS TO IMPLEMENT A MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS ZONING THAT RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING AND LONG TERM USE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, YOUR MASTER PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE BOTH RECOGNIZE THAT AND THIS IS BEING AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION. CRITERIA I TALKS ABOUT A DESIRABLE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT. UM, I THINK ARCHITECTURALLY, WE HAVE DONE AAA GREAT JOB OF CREATING, UM IF NOT COMPLETE, SCREENING A VERY FILTER VIEW, RIGHT? THIS IS A ZONE THAT ALLOWS FOR BUILDINGS TO BE 35 FT . TALL AND 2.5 STORIES. THAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED. AS OF RIGHT HERE IN THE, UM THE RM THE MOUNTAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONE, THE M ZONE, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A ABOUT BUFFERING AND ZONING AND SCREENING AS PLANNED, AS PLANNERS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PUT IN A ROW OF PLANTING AND HAVE IT COMPLETELY OBLITERATE THE VIEW OF WHATEVER YOU'RE DEVELOPING ON THE SITE, RIGHT. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE INTENT. IT'S TO SOFTEN. WE WANT IT TO SOFTEN THE, UM THE VIEW OF THE STREET FROM THE ADJOINING ROADWAY NETWORK FOREX AND TO DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF SCREENING IT AND I THINK THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING DOES THAT SO? I THINK YOU'LL HAVE AT BEST, A FILTERED VIEW OF THAT. 14 FT, UM, AREA WHERE THE FENCING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. WE SAW THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE, AND MR IANNELLI TESTIFIED THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS APPLICATION WERE INTRODUCING ABOUT 1400 PLANTS ONTO THE SITE, SO CERTAINLY WE WILL, IN MY OPINION AS A PLANNER, MEET THE INTENT OF YOUR ORDINANCE. FOR SCREENING AND HAVE APPROPRIATE UM APPROPRIATE FILTERING AND SCREENING. AND THE OTHER PART. THE PURPOSE OF THE LAND USE LAW IS CRITERIA M, WHICH TALKS ABOUT AN EFFICIENT USE OF THE LANDS. THIS IS, UM AND EXISTING SITE. IT'S AN EXISTING CAMPUS, SO I THINK THE UM APPLICANT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF BALANCING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
BALANCING, UM THAT WITH AGAINST YOUR ORDINANCE AND CREATING A PROGRAM TO ADAPTIVELY, UH, REUSE THIS SITE FOR THE PROPOSED NEW ADOLESCENT CENTER AND TO BALANCE WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY EFFICIENTLY, RIGHT. WHAT CRITERIA M TALKS ABOUT IS AVOIDING URBAN SPRAWL AND DEGRADATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT. AS PLANNERS, WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO NOT DEVELOP NEW SITES BUT TO UTILIZE EXISTING SITES AND DEVELOP ON EXISTING SITES WHERE YOU HAVE EXISTING DISTURBANCE, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT CERTAINLY DOES THAT, AS MR IANELLI INDICATED. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW. GREAT DETAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING GREEN WHERE WE CAN AND TRY TO HAVE NO INCREASE IN NO SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THE IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO THOSE ARE THE POSITIVE CRITERIA AND AGAIN TO BE, UM, MEETING OUR BURDEN OF PROOF, WE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO ADVANCE ONE OR MORE OF THOSE CRITERIA THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE LAND USE LAW BY LETTER, BUT I THINK THAT IGAGINM OR ALL SOLIDLY ADVANCED BY THIS
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APPLICATION. SO THEN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT SECTION OF THE LAND USE LAW THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING FOR THE GRANTS OF THE VARIOUS RELIEF . BE IT C ONE OR C TWO. WE AS AN APPLICANT HAVE A BURDEN OF PROOF TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT'S CALLED THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA AND THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA HAS TWO PRONGS TO IT. THE IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC GOOD AND THE IMPACT OF THE ZONE PLAN AND LAND USE LAW DOES NOT ASK YOU TO HOLD US OR ANY OTHER APPLICANT TO A STANDARD THAT THERE WOULD BE NO DETRIMENT JUST THAT THE BENEFITS OF THE GRANT OF THE VARIANCE OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT. AND THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO EITHER THE ZONE PLAN OR THE PUBLIC GOOD IF, IN FACT THE VARIANCES ARE GRANTED. SO HERE, I THINK, IN MY OPINION, NONE OF THE VARIANTS RELIEF WITH RESPECT TO EITHER THE FENCE LOCATIONS, THE BUILDING SET BACK THE PARKING SET BACK THE SIGNAGE OR THE LANDSCAPING. THERE IS NO RELIEF THAT IS REQUIRED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS APPLICATION THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT THAT WOULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR ZONE.AND AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC GOOD, WE ARE PROVIDING ADEQUATE BUFFERING. THE SITE WILL LOOK CERTAINLY ATTRACTIVE FROM ANY OF OUR ADJOINING ROADWAYS. WE PROVIDED THE BOARD WITH VANTAGE POINTS OF HOW THE BUILDINGS WILL LOOK, UM, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE PROVIDING FENCING AROUND. UM, AROUND THAT TO PROVIDE FOR BOTH SAFETY AS WELL AS SCREENING AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC. GOOD WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS, UM, OF THE COMMU OF THE SITE ON THE CAMPUS ARE SAFE AND PROTECTED HERE. AND SO WE ARE BALANCING THAT NEED WITH THE FENCING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. IT'S AN ANTI CLIMATE FENCE, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON IN THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THIS TYPE OF USE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE MASTER PLAN SPECIFICALLY THE LAND USE ELEMENT THAT WAS DONE HERE IN 2011, IT HAD A STATED PURPOSE SECTION AND IT IT RECOGNIZED THAT THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF THE PLANNED BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COMPLEX OPTIONAL ORDINANCE PROVISION IS TO RECOGNIZE THE EXISTENCE OF THE CARRIER CLINIC HOSPITAL AND ITS FACILITIES PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS THE BELLE MEADE FARM COLONY IN SANATORIUM THAT HAVE EXISTED IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP SINCE 1910 AS A PRIOR NON CONFORMING USE AND TO ALLOW FOR A LIMITED EXPANSION OF THE FACILITIES AS A PERMITTED USE GOVERNED BY PROVISIONS SUBJECT TO THIS UNIQUE USE. SO THE MASTER PLAN RECOGNIZED THAT THIS WAS HERE SINCE THE 19 EARLY 19 HUNDREDS AND RECOGNIZED AND ENCOURAGED THAT THE COMMUNITY HAVE A PLAN FOR THE EXPANSION OF THIS FACILITY. SO I THINK, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT THE BOARD CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT WHEN ON POINT WHEN YOU BALANCE THIS THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CRITERIA THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO WHILE IMPLEMENTING YOUR MASTER PLAN WITH NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD. I SEE ACTUALLY NO DETRIMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION THAT CAN'T BE MITIGATED BY ANY OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO WORK WITH YOUR PROFESSIONALS TO MODIFY THE LIGHTING TO SUPPLEMENT UM, LANDSCAPING, WHERE NEEDED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY SUBS. FOR DETRIMENT TO THE ZONE PLAN. GOOD. SO IN IN IN MY OPINION, THE OTHER THING I SHOULD COMMENT ON IS THE SIGNS. I KNOW OUR ARCHITECTS PROVIDED SOME TESTIMONY, BUT WE DO NEED RELIEF WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER AND THE SIZE FOR SOME OF OUR BUILDING FACADE SIGNS. I THINK WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT THERE REALLY THERE'S TWO POINTS TO ME AS A PLANNER WITH SIGNINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE GUIDED BY NUMBER ONE DOES THE SIGN LOOK NOT PROPORTIONATE TO THE BUILDING AND NUMBER TWO DOES THE SIGN GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO AS SOMEBODY WHO'S VISITING THE SITE, PERHAPS FOR THE FIRST TIME OR SOMEBODY WHO'S VISITING A FAMILY MEMBER? UM ONE OF THE FAMILY PROGRAMS HERE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T ABLE TO ACCESS AND GET TO THE PARTS OF THE SIGN THE SITE WHERE THEY DO, AND I THINK THAT OUR SIGN PLAN AS PROPOSED, DOES THAT IN IN, YOU KNOW THE MOST MINIMAL WAY POSSIBLE AND THAT THE SIGNS ARE WELL SCALED TO THE PERCENTAGE OF WALL AREA THAT THEY SIT ON. SO I THINK THE SIGN, I THINK, IN ALL ASPECTS, OUR LIGHTING OUR LANDSCAPING, OUR BUFFERING. OUR PARKING LAYOUT HERE CERTAINLY MEETS THE INTENT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE HERE IN MONTGOMERY AND ANY THAT WE ARE REQUESTING, WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND TESTIFIED TO CAN BE GRANTED WITHOUT A SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO HIS OWN PLAN OR THE PUBLIC. GOOD. ON THE SORRY. THREE. FOUR. FACE. WHAT. 1969 AND 2.1. THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. THANK YOU. SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHERE OUR OUR PARKING SPACES ARE ABOUT 2 FT. SHORT THAN WHAT THEY NEED TO BE. UM THIS IS NOT A RETAIL CENTER. SO I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT MAKE A DISTINCTION FOR THE PARKING AND I THINK THIS IS NOT A SPACE
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WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HIGH TURNOVER OR PEOPLE. UM YOU KNOW, COMING IN. I THINK THE PARKING AND IN MOST CASES, THE PARKING IS EXISTING ON THE SITE. I THINK THE PARKING IS ADEQUATELY SIZED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE USE. THE HI. SO. THE HEIGHT AND THE SCREENING. THEY DO NOT. AND THE OVERALL INTENSITY OF THESE BUILDINGS AND MR IANELLI WENT THROUGH THOSE STANDARDS. BUT THE FA R, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IS PERMISSIBLE AT 0.15, AND THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSED AT 0.0925, AND WE HAVE A BUILDING COVERAGE THAT'S ALLOWABLE AT 15% WE'RE AT 9.6% AND TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WHICH IS ALL OUR SURFACE PARKING LOTS. THE FIRST FLOOR OF OUR BUILDINGS. UM ALL OF THOSE THINGS GET FACTORED INTO YOUR TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE 45% AND WE'RE AT 24.3% SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR MASTER PLAN, WHICH ABSOLUTELY CONTEMPLATED, UM, EXPANSIONS OF THIS SITE AND GROWTH ON THIS SITE WE ARE DOING SO IN SUCH A WAY THAT IS VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE BULK CRATE AND INTENSITY CRITERIA THAT WAS SET FORTH IN THE MOUNTAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONE. AND WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THE CASE? SO. YES I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. SO THE POLLEN CASE IS A CASE THAT CAME OUT OF SOUTH LA FIELDS, AND IT'S A REALLY IT'S AN IMPORTANT CASE BECAUSE IN POLAND V SOUTH SOUTH PLAIN FIELDS, THE COURT HELD THAT THE BENEFITS FLOWING FROM THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN LIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL DEVIATION REQUIRED, MEANING. WE JUST DON'T NEED TO CHERRY PICK AND LOOK AT EACH VARIANT BECAUSE JUST LIKE IN PLANNING WHERE WE BALANCE THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CRITERIA, IT ENCOURAGES US TO LOOK AT THE BENEFITS AND THE SITE. IN THE APPLICATION GLOBALLY, RATHER THAN CHERRY PICKING EACH INDIVIDUAL USE, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT APPLICATION OF THE PULLEN CASE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICATION IN TOTALITY, I THINK THE BOARD CAN BE VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION, THE GOVERNING BODY AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAD FOR THE MR MOUNTAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONE AND THE MASTER PLAN. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THE PLANNING? NOT ON DIRECT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH, I THINK YOU HAD U SI INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE. BUT THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT, JAMES ANY, UM COMMENTS. SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT MISTER DOSS. UM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. I. I AGREE.I THINK IT IS A BENEFIT, AND I THINK THAT ANY DEVIATIONS FROM THE ORDINANCE ARE OUTWEIGHED BY A MITIGATION THAT THE APPLICANT JUST DO IT. YEAH, I AGREE. QUESTIONS. I THINK THERE WAS A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI I'M PATRICIA TOOLE TOOLE AND I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF HOSPITAL EXECUTIVE AT CARRIER CLINIC. AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. I DO. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. YOU. VERY THIS PROJECT.
YES, I AM. MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE PROJECT. FOR THE RECORD. DIFFERENT TYPE OF. GIVE US SOME EDUCATION ON THAT. ABSOLUTELY AND. YOUR CLINIC HAS BEEN PROUD TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY SINCE THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS THAT WAS STATED EARLIER AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE MONTGOMERY AND YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR CAMPUS CARRIER IS THE LARGEST PRIVATE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HOSPITAL IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. AND WE ARE PROUD TO BE THAT AT CARRIER. WE STARTED AGE 12 CURRENTLY IN OUR HOSPITAL , AND WE CAN GO TO THE END OF ONE'S LIFE. WE HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS THAT DO A TRE ADDRESS THE NEEDS AND I WILL TELL YOU IN MY 30 YEARS IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. I HAVE BEEN A CHAMPION OF FIGHTING STIGMA THAT ENTIRE TIME. THIS PROJECT STARTED WHEN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AWARDED CARRIER A $5 MILLION GRANT. AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, A 2ND $5 MILLION
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GRANT. TO ADDRESS THE PEDIATRIC MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND IN OUR OWN VERY COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE HONORED TO BE A RECIPIENT OF THAT MONEY.WHEN WE DID GET THAT, AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IS NOT OFTEN AWARDED MONEY BY THE STATE. WE VALUE THAT AND TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS TURNED INTO A MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL PLAN FOR OUR CAMPUS THAN JUST IMPROVING OUR EXISTING ADOLESCENT UNIT. IN ADDITION, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR YOUNGER, INPATIENT TREATMENT. WHICH TUGS THAT PROBABLY ALL OF OUR HEARTS AS WE THINK THAT WITHIN THE HACKENSACK MERIDIAN HEALTH SYSTEM OF WHICH CARRIER JOINED IN 2019. WE DO SEE ADOLESCENTS SHOWING UP IN OUR HOSPITALS EVEN AS YOUNG AS AGE FIVE, REQUIRING INPATIENT TREATMENT. SO WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE 16 EXTRA BEDS THERE EXISTING ON OUR CAMPUS AS YOU SEE, WE TOOK THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE CLOSING DOWN OUR OLDEST UNIT ON THE CAMPUS, WHICH THOSE OF US ARE CARRIER ARE HAPPY TO BE DOING. IT'S AN OLD UNIT. CONGREGATE BATHROOMS. IT'S NOT CONTEMPORARY FOR THE TYPE OF CARE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RENDER IN A TRANSFORMATIONAL, UH, TIME FOR US IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. IT AWARDS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHUT THAT UNIT DOWN. RELOCATE AS WE BUILD A NEW UNIT. RENOVATE AN OLD UNIT THAT HAS PRIVATE BATHROOMS. SO RIGHT NOW, OUR ADOLESCENTS HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN SOME OF OUR ADULTS. AND THEN WE CAN SHUT THAT ONE UNIT DOWN AND WE CREATE OFFICE SPACE FOR THAT MUCH NEEDED OFFICE SPACE AND ACTUALLY WOULD BE PERFECT FOR OFFICE SPACE. SO IT WAS A VERY THOUGHTFUL APPROACH. UM, IN THAT ENGAGEMENT WE WERE ALSO, UM, VERY PLEASED TO DO A NATIONAL SEARCH FOR AN ARCHITECT. ARRAY ARCHITECTS COME TO US. THEY ONLY DO HEALTH CARE, AND THEY HAVE DONE SOME OF THE MOST PREMIER, PSYCHIATRIC AND ADOLESCENT CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS IN THE NATION. SO I HOPE YOU SEE FROM SOME OF THE PLANS AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN MORE IN DEPTH PICTURES OF THE PLANS AND HOW WE INTEND TO USE THE PROPERTY. THE SOUR LAND MOUNTAINS AS AN OPPORTUNITY OF HEALING. THINGS LIKE FENCING AND LIGHTING DO BECOME DIFFERENT FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A PENN, PRINCETON OR ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON . SO THIS MAKES THINGS A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX FOR US KEEPING OUR PATIENTS SAFE, OUR STAFF SAFE AND, OF COURSE, THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE BUT ALSO EMBRACING THE 100 ACRES OF LAND THAT ARE INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR HEALING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO EMBRACE AND WHY WE SELECTED. UH A RAY ARCHITECTS AS PART OF THIS, SO HOPEFULLY YOU SEE BY THE PRESENTATION TODAY. THAT WE WENT INTO THIS WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT. A LOT OF THOUGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR THE TOWN THAT WE DO LIVE IN FOR THE PATIENTS THAT WE DO TREAT AND AGAIN APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT THAT WE HAVE TODAY. WE DIDN'T TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT THE FAMILY AND TRAINING CENTER, WHICH IS A SMALL ADDITION BUT WILL BE TRANSFORMATIONAL AS WE TAKE DOWN ONE OF THE OLDEST BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS WHEN YOU DRIVE IN OUR CAMPUS NOW WHAT WE SAID TO ARRAY IS WE WANNA HAVE THE SAME PRESENCE THAT YOU WOULD FIND IF YOU WERE GOING FOR CANCER TREATMENT. IF YOU WERE GOING FOR SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE WORTHY TO PUT THEIR NAME ON OUR BUILDING. MOST TIMES. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PUT A NAME ON THE PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL BUILDING. I AM PLEASED THAT WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS NOW LOOKING TO NAME OUR BUILDINGS, WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY. DON'T WORRY. WE'LL MAKE THE SIGNAGE ALL APPROPRIATE EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE IT'S UH WITHIN GUIDELINES. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. IN TODAY'S WORLD OF BRINGING THIS ORGANIZATION UP A NOTCH AND RESPECT YOU ALL HERE THAT ARE GUIDING THE LIGHT FOR US TO MAKE SURE IT CONFORMS WITHIN THE TOWN THAT WE LIVE IN. SO I THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION ANY QUESTIONS. YES, UM. YOU'VE HEARD TESTIMONY THIS EVENING ABOUT VARIANCES AND ABOUT SETBACKS AND SCREENING AND THAT'S ALL INTENDED. TO PROTECT.
NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS. DO YOU OWN THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE EAST MOUNTAIN AVENUE? WE OWN A GOOD PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD AND ALSO A SMALL SEGMENT ACROSS SIX AND ONE IN FRONT OF THE CAMPUS. THANK YOU. I CAN TELL. AND MONTGOMERY. I.
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I DON'T KNOW. YOU TELL ME. THAT. THAT WAS IT.I DO WANNA TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY AS A GREAT QUESTION ABOUT SOLAR. WE DO HAVE A 16 ACRE SOLAR FIELD . UH, THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND HAS BEEN UP FUNCTIONAL AND HAS REALLY BEEN TREMENDOUS FOR US. HACKENSACK MERIDIAN HEALTH HAS ENGAGED WITH A THIRD PARTY FOR ALL 18 OF THEIR HOSPITALS TO TAKE A LOOK AT ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. SO MAYBE AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL BE COMING BACK ASKING FOR, UH, DIFFERENT FORMS OF SOLAR. OTHER FORMS OF ENERGY SO THAT THAT SHOULD BE IN THE FUTURE AT SOME POINT. OK DO WE HAVE, UM ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, SO MOVE SECOND ALL IN FAVOR. I OK? FOR DISCUSSION. ANY COMMENTS? THOUGHTS. I'D I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I LIKE, UM THE WAY ALL THE FENCES UM YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THEM. AND UM THERE'S A TREES FOR SCREENING, BUT IT'S SORT OF INTERMITTENT. AND, UM I KNOW, UM. BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE GILMAN VILLAGE. UM. SOUTH OF HERE THAT PEOPLE SAY PEOPLE THINK IT'S CREEPY PEOPLE.
UM SO BEING ABLE TO LOOK INTO THE GROUNDS. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. PEOPLE WON'T DRIVE BY AND SAY. YOU DON'T KNOW. GOING ON IN THERE LIKE THEY DID ABOUT SKILLMAN VILLAGE, WHICH.
YOU KNOW YOU COULD SEE IN THERE, TOO, BUT STILL A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT. WHEN WE PUT OUR IN TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE PRINCETON HUNT A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE AROUND US WITH THE PILLARS. SO A LOT OF THOUGHT HAS BEEN GONE GONE TO THAT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALREADY HAVE HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF DOING LIKE LITTLE HEALING GARDEN OR SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE A FACILITY LIKE THIS, I THINK BEING OUT IN NATURE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF YOUR PROPERTY, JUST I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO PASS THIS, BUT I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING. NO ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT LABYRINTHS AND DIFFERENT FORMS OF HEALING GARDENS, RAISING MONEY. SO PHILANTHROPY WISE TO DONATE, SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN HARNESS THE PROPERTY AS MANY OF YOU KNOW , WE HAVE AN EQUINE, UH, PROGRAM AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW, VETERANS AND YOU KNOW THOSE SUFFERING FROM PTSD THAT WE CAN HEAL THROUGH GARDENS, AND THAT'S PART OF THE SOL. UH, THE, UM GREENHOUSE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN IN OUR ABILITY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND REALLY TIES WITHIN THE RESOURCE CENTER THAT INDIVIDUALS WANT TO COME AND SEEK. HEALING ON THE PROPERTY AND GARDENS ARE ABSOLUTELY PART OF THAT. SO YES, WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I APPRECIATED THE, UM SIGHT LINES FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. UH, I I'D HOPE THAT BECOMES MORE OF A STANDARD FOR DRAWINGS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. I THINK IT REALLY HELPS FOR CONTEXT. UM IN HEIGHTS, SO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THAT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW BEHAVIOR HE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH IS HEALTH. AND . UM I THINK YOU ALL DO AN AMAZING JOB. AND THE ARCHITECT HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB. ON THIS. UM I WILL PUT IN A LITTLE BIT OF A REQUEST. THAT WHEN YOU GUYS DO USE THE AMBULANCE CORPS OF MONTGOMERY THAT YOU KEEP IN MIND THAT FOR EMERGENCIES, OF COURSE THEY'LL ALWAYS BE THERE. NON EMERGENCIES. NOT NECESSARILY . SO JUST PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'VE WORKED THIS PAST YEAR. TREMENDOUS AMOUNT WITH SID AND THE SQUAD. UM YOU KNOW, OUT OF COVID. THERE WERE A LOT OF FIRST YOU KNOW THAT TRANS SO WE HAVE WORKED TREMENDOUSLY ON THAT AND REDUCED OUR NUMBERS BY 50% I BROUGHT OUR CHIEF OF OPERATIONS HERE. UM JUST IN CASE THIS QUESTION. WE HAVE PUT IT GREAT DEAL IN OUR FORMER MAY YOU KNOW,
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THANK YOU AND OUR CURRENT MAYOR, THIS IS A HUGE CONCENTRATION FOR US. NOT ONLY WITH, UM UH, EMS SERVICES. WE LOOK AT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE BRING THEM ON CAMPUS. UH, WE CELEBRATE THEM.WE APPRECIATE AND OUR GOAL IS TO ONLY UTILIZE THEM WHEN WE NEED THEM. THANK YOU. HAD TO HAD TO PUT A PLUG IN FOR THAT WE WERE WE KNEW THIS WAS A POSSIBILITY, SO BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY? PARENT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. WHAT DO WE HAVE? WELL I GUESS THE FIRST THING IS JUST TO RECAP THE VARIANCES THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS USING AS MY GUIDE, UM. J, KY'S MEMO. UM AS I THINK IT WAS MODIFIED TONIGHT, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT NO LONGER NEEDS A VARIANCE FOR EV PARKING SPACES. THEY HAVE COMPLIED. THEY WILL NEED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A FENCE . HE OF 14 FT FOR THE PROPOSED ANTI FENCE. THEY WILL NEED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A SETBACK OF 75 FT. FROM THE FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO A PUBLIC STREET. DISTANCE OF 49.7 FT FOR THE DISTANCE FROM THE PARKING LOT. A PUBLIC STREET. UH, PLUS OR MINUS 14 FT FOR THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FOR THE FENCE TO THE TRACK BOUNDARY. THAT'S THE 10 FT CHAIN LINK FENCE. PLUS OR MINUS 54 FT. SETBACK FOR THE SPLIT RAIL FENCE TO THE PUBLIC STREET.
PLUS OR MINUS 27 FT. FOR THE RELOCATED FENCE WITH COLUMNS SET BACK UH, 34.6 FT. UH, FOR THE WIDTH OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD. AGAIN 34.6 FT FOR THE DRIVEWAY WITHIN THE BUFFER EAST MOUNTAIN ROAD. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY NEED A VARIANCE FOR LIGHTING TIMERS. UH I THINK FOR THE TIMERS, THEY DO TECHNICALLY STILL NEED IT. OH BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO OFF WITH THE GLARE THEY DON'T NEED NO. OK? WITH RESPECT TO THE QUANTITY OF THE FACADE SIGNED, THEY NEED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FIVE SIGNS WHICH HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED IN MR KELLI'S MEMO.
UH, THEY ALSO NEED A VARIANCE OF 100 AND 18 SQUARE FEET FOR THE FACADE SIGN AREA FOR THE FRONT OF THE ADOLESCENT UNIT. THEY NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE FACADE SIGN AREA FOR THE SIDE OF THE FAMILY RESOURCE AND TRAINING CENTER SIGN OF 64 SQUARE FEET. AND THE FACADE SIGN AREA FOR THE REAR. RESIGN WALL THEY WILL NEED TWO VARIANCES FOR EACH SIGN BOTH FOR THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND THE SIZE AND THAT'S 28.5 SQUARE FEET AND 32.5 SQUARE FEET. NOW THEY'RE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AS WELL. UM. WITH RESPECT TO THE TREES REQUIRED FOR GROSS TRACT AREA AND I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE ON THAT, BECAUSE I'M NOT CLEAR. ENTIRELY. UH, I BELIEVE IT'S LIMITED TO THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE. IT IS, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT VARIANCE, ISN'T IT? JAMES FORD.
REQUIRED GROSS TRACKED AREA. THERE'S ONE FOR THE FOR THE SIZE OF THE TREES. RATHER THAN DOING THE FIVE INCHES. IT'S GONNA BE WHATEVER IT IS 2.5 OR OR THAT NUMBER WAS UM AND THEN THERE'S ONE FOR. THE BOARD HAS TO GRANT THE DESIGN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THEM TO USE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE RATHER THAN AND THEN THE PARKING SPACES ON THROUGH AISLES. SO THAT'S UM THE BOARD HAS TO GRANT THE DESIGN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THEM TO BE 18 FT IN LENGTH OF THE 2 FT OVERHANG RATHER THAN TO BE 25 20 FT. 20 FT. AND THEN THE PARKING SPACE DIMENSIONS. THAT WAS NINE BY 18. YES, BECAUSE IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT THEY ARE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, AND SO I THINK WITH THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD WAS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RETAIL SITE THAT THAT LENGTH OF PARKING SPACE IS NOT REQUIRED.
IF BOARD AGREES WITH THAT. AND THAT ELIMINATES IT. IT LEAVES IT TO THE BOARD'S DISCRETION AS TO WHETHER THE EXCEPTIONS REQUIRED SO THE BOARD'S OK WITH IT. YOU DON'T ACTUALLY NEED RELIEF OR JUST NEEDS TO BE OK WITH IT. OK? OK? AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. AND MR DARCY'S MEMO, MR BARTEL ALONE'S I MR. CALI'S MEMO, UM AND MR FINGER'S MEMO. UH, IN ADDITION,
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THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED THAT THEY WILL WALK THE SITE WITH MR FINGER. UH JUST TO REVIEW HIS CONDITIONS ON SITE WITH THEM. UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SHADE TREE COMMISSION AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEMOS, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY AS THEY HAVE RESPONDED TONIGHT. UH THEY HAVE, UH, INDICATED THAT, UH, THEY COMMIT TO USING ALL NATIVE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE.UH, SAME THING WITH MS WOLSKI'S MEMO AGAIN. AS THE, UH APPLICANT REVIEWED THIS EVENING. UM. I THINK, UH, AND WITH RESPECT TO DEVELOPMENT FEES UM, OR CONTRIBUTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IF REQUIRED, AS DETERMINED BY THE CONSTRUCTION OFFICIAL, AS THE APPLICANT IS INDICATING THEY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE EXEMPT BECAUSE THIS IS A NONPROFIT HOSPITAL USE, SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE IS CONDITIONS . I DON'T KNOW IF OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD. OKAY, OKAY. SO BASED ON WHAT. KEN JUST SAID DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SOME MOVED DO I HAVE A 2ND 2ND? WE DO A ROLL CALL. PLEASE DON BATTLE. WATCH IT. HAMILTON.
KEENAN? YES. MONEY. ROBERTS? YES. SAYING. YES. CA MBI. ROCKER. YES. OKAY. VERY GOOD.
UH, I'M GONNA I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY JUST TO WAIT ABOUT A MINUTE BEFORE YOU GET UP. WE'RE ALMOST DONE OK? THAT'S OKAY. UH, NEXT ITEM IS THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 13TH THE REGULAR
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MEETING 2023. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? THEY MOVED THE SECOND. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. ON.WATCH IT. HAMILTON KEENAN? YES? MONEY. CAMPUS CLOCK. YES, K. YES. THANK YOU, UH, FUTURE POTENTIAL MEETING IS FEBRUARY 26TH. WE DO YOU NOT HAVE ANYTHING ON FOR THE 26TH? OKAY SO AND MUST WE WILL, BUT WE WON'T BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE. WE WILL NOT HAVE A MEETING ON THE 26TH. WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION MEETING ON MARCH 5TH AT 8:30 A.M. WITH THAT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO ALL IN FAVOUR
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