Jan 23, 2024 Zoning Board

[I. OPENING STATEMENT ]

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MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, ITS REORGANIZATION AND REGULAR MEETING OF JANUARY 23 2024. TO ORDER THE TIME IS NOW SEVEN. NO. ONE UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED INCENTIVE. THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS ASK THE SECRETARY WE ARE ACTING SECRETARY. TO CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. SORRY, SKI HERE, BLODGET. HERE ROSENTHAL HERE SING. YOU HEAR WAL MARK WOULD HERE RUNS URBANSKI SHAW HERE? ALONE. THE VALLEY HERE, WE DREW.

THANK YOU. OKAY ASK EVERYONE TO STAND FOR THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG.

ENDED IN THE FALL OF LIBERTY. BEFORE I. ASKED FOR NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR. I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN

[IV. REORGANIZATION]

OKAY REALLY? AND THE GAVEL OVER. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO MUCH FOR THE CONTINUED CONFIDENCE IN MY CHAIRMANSHIP. AH LAST YEAR WAS A GREAT YEAR FOR THIS BOARD REALLY FEEL LIKE WE CAME TOGETHER, LEARNED A LOT BECAUSE OF OUR OUR ATTORNEY AND ALL OF YOUR WORKING CONTRIBUTION AND ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME TWO NEW MEMBERS TO THE BOARD. MICRO BANDS KEY, UH AND TRISHA. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO SERVICE TO THIS TOWNSHIP. AH! THE NEXT ITEM AGENDA ON THE ON THE ON THE AGENDA IS THE CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR. AND I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY NOMINATE AMY ROSENTHAL AS AS THE VICE CHAIR. I SECOND THAT MOTION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? ALL RIGHT. THE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS.

THE WORLD. SECOND STREET. THANKS. UH LOCAL POLICE SHERRY? SORRY YES, YES, YES, YES. SING YES. WALMART? YES? YES, THANK YOU. RIGHT LIKE TO MAKE A CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR PRO TEMPT, ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND VICE CHAIR. UM ZIM BUDDY, HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS ARE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER FOR CHAIR PROTEST. LIKE THAT. I NOMINATE MYSELF. WOULD YOU LIKE TO NOMINATE YOU WHERE YOU ACCEPT? YES UM, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MARYLAND BRZOZOWSKI. A SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? THE EMOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATION. MOTION TO CLOSE THE NOMINATION. RIGHT BROKE UP, PLEASE SHARING I WAS SORRY, SKI? YES BLODGETT? YES YES. SING FOR MARK. YES. YES, THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT ITEM IS THE APPOINTMENT OF THE RECORDING SECRETARY SHERRY CRUZ. UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH SHE'S ACTING. OH, I SEE. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT. GREAT. UH CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPOINT SHARE CRUZ AS THE RECORDING SECRETARY? SECOND GREAT AMY AND MIKE. THANK YOU. UH CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE SHARING OF SKI? YES, BLODGETT.

YES YES. SING. YES. WALMART AND WHAT? YES, THANK YOU. RIGHT THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE

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FEBRUARY 22ND 27TH MARCH 26TH AND 28 APRIL 23RD AND 25TH MAY 23RD AND 28TH OF JUNE 25TH AND 27TH. JULY 23RD AND 25TH AUGUST 22ND AND 27TH, SEPTEMBER 24TH AND 26TH, OCTOBER 22ND AND NOVEMBER 22ND. AH, YOU MAY NOTICE THAT THAT THERE IS NO DECEMBER MEETING WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE HE WAS APPROPRIATE, UM, TO MEET IN DECEMBER. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE TOWN. UM CITIZENS THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME OR OR THE BOARD OR APPLICANTS I THINK TO HAVE IN THE CHRISTMAS WEEK SO THERE IS NO MEETING FOR THE CHRISTMAS. A DATE. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED. THAT 2025 OR REORGANIZATION MEETING IS HEREBY SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY. 28TH 2025 TO COMMENCE AT SEVEN PM IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, LOCATED AT 100 COMMUNITY DRIVES COMING TO JERSEY BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND FORMAL ACTION MAY BE TAKING IT ALL MEETINGS. SPECIAL WORK SESSION SCHEDULED PERIODICALLY WILL BE NOTICED AS REQUIRED UPON SCHEDULING, AND THIS NOTICE SHALL BE TRANSMITTED TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPER AND FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP AND I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE MEETING DATES. I MOVED TO A PROOF THAT MEETING DATES. 2ND 2ND. CLICHE. I WAS SORRY, SKI? YES. YES YES. SING. YES. WALMART AND WHAT? YES, THANK YOU. DESIGNATION OVER OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER, THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER FOR LEGAL MUNICIPAL ADVERTISING AND NOTICE SHALL BE THE COURIER NEWS. ALL LEGAL NOTICES TO BE PUBLISHED MUST APPEAR IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER AS STIPULATED BY THE NEW JERSEY MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. MOTION TO APPOINT THE CARRIER NEWS AS OUR OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER. REMOVED.

THANKS, JOHN. THANKS, MIKE. UH LOCAL POLICE. SHERI VI OF SKI? YES WATCH IT. YES. ROSENTHAL YES . SING WALMART? YES. YES, THANK YOU. AH WE ALSO NEED TO APPROVE THE NEW JERSEY FEDERATION OF PLANNING OFFICIALS THE RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP THAT IS A COMBINATION OF MEMBERSHIP FOR THE ZONING BOARD AND ARE PLANNING BOARD. UM UM, FOR $185. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO US AND GIVE US DETAILS ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE STATE. FOR THE NEW MEMBERS. THEY WILL ALSO RUN AND FACILITATE YOUR REQUIRED TRAINING THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO ATTEND AS WELL. SO IT IS A PRETTY GOOD DEAL BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY WE LEARN ABOUT ZONING AROUND THE STATE. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO JOIN THE NEW JERSEY FEDERATION OF PLANNING OFFICIALS. DON'T MOVE. SECOND JOHN AMY. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MOUSSAVI SKI LODGE IT? YES YES.

SING WALMART! YES, YES, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT THIS IS, UH, THE NEXT IS THE APPOINTMENT OF OUR ESTEEMED PROFESSIONALS UNDER THE LOCAL UNIT PAY TO PLAY LAW. UM, THIS IS WE'VE HAVE A RESOLUTION 01 TECH 20 TO 4. THE APPOINTMENT OF LEGAL COUNSEL IS A TESTICLE, KONING SULLIVAN AND DRILL LLC.

THE APPOINTMENT OF OUR BOARD PLANNER IS CLARK GAYTON AND HENCE AH, THE APPOINTMENT OF A TRAFFIC ENGINEER BREAKTHROUGH ENGINEERING. APPOINTMENT ON LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT RICH PART ALONE. REPORTED ON BOARD ENGINEER ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS. APPOINTMENT OF THE BOARD RADIO FREQUENCY ENGINEERS, DR BRUCE EISENSTEIN. IS NOT PRESENT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT THE PROFESSIONAL, UH PROFESSIONALS AND ADOPT RESOLUTION 01 TECH 20 TO 4.

SECOND. THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES OF SKI. YES BLODGETT ROSENTHAL? YES SING? YES WALMART ? YES YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICE. IT'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH YOU THIS PAST YEAR AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE YEAR YEAR TO GO. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT NEXT WE MOVE ON TO THE OFFICIAL MEETING. UM NOT THE REORGANIZATION. PART OF THE MEETING IS OVER. UH WE ALWAYS START OUR MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION, BUT I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO ADVISE

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[VI. RESOLUTIONS]

GRANTED IN CASE BE A TAX 0619. CAN I HAVE EMOTIONAL MORAL IZED THIS RESOLUTION. MOVE. BUT MARILYN MOVED AND SECOND, JOHN THANK YOU, SARAH. SECONDED. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. THE SAAB SKI? YES.

WATCH IT. YES YES, YES. FRIENDS AND MATA NEED A DIFFERENT SECOND BECAUSE WALMART DIRECT STRAIGHT.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU REDO THAT? BETTER OKAY? THANK YOU. SO MARILYN, UH AND KEVIN MCCARTHY.

CAN YOU REDO THE ROYAL CORPORATE SKI? YES BLODGETT ROSENTHAL? YES WOULD YES. FRIENDS THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT IS CASE. BE A TECH 05 TECH TO THREE. THE APPLICANT WAS RAMA KRISHNA, UGANDA, BLOCK 40 TO 0 TO 2 LUCK THREE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 143 SCARBOROUGH ROAD VARIANTS TO CONSTRUCT A SUNROOM EDITION. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO MORALIZE? THIS APPLICATION. SECOND UP.

GREAT IMAD AND MIKE, UM, MOVED AND SECONDED. UH CAN I BROKE UP, PLEASE? SKI? YES, BLODGETT. YES.

YES WALMART? YES YES. AND PRIME. THANK YOU. NEXT CASE WAS CASE BE A TECH 02 DECK TECH 18. THE APPLICANT WAS MONTGOMERY FIRE COMPANY NUMBER ONE BLOCK 6001, LOTS 1.01 AND TWO 35 AND 45, BELLE MEADE, GRIGGS TOWN, ROAD MODIFICATION AND EXTENSION OF SITE PLAN AND USE IN BULK VARIANTS. APPROVAL CAN HAVE EMOTION TO MEMORIALIZE. SOME OF ACTUALLY MR FERNAND. DID YOU HAVE THE AFRICAN SAY AGAIN? GONNA BE HALF OF THE AFGHAN JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES COMING UP AND YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH YOUR EMAIL, SAYING IT WAS GREAT. OKAY YOU NEVER RETURNED ANY OF MY PHONE CALLS. THANK YOU, MR FINANCE. UH DIDN'T WE HAVE EMOTIONS OF ME MOVED AND SECOND AND THANK YOU HAVE A NASH. OH, PLEASE. I WAS SORRY, SKI. YES ROSENTHAL? YES SING WALMART? YES YES, AND MATTER. THANK YOU. RIGHT. NEXT. WE MOVE ON TO THE FUTURE. THIS IS CASE

[VII. APPLICATION]

UH UM. THE PRESENTATION IS NOW YOURS. UH, YEAH. UM YEAH. PLEASE GO AHEAD. EVENING CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UM THANK YOU FOR THAT OPENING. IT TOOK SOME OF MY THUNDER AWAY BECAUSE IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF MY OPENING AWAY FROM ME. BUT UM, FOR THE RECORD, CHRIS MURPHY, ATTORNEY HERE ON BEHALF OF APPLICANT. UM AS AS CHAIR SAID, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SELF STORAGE FACILITY. UM THIS IS NOT

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WE'VE DESIGNED THIS PROJECT AROUND THE ENVIRONMENTAL LIMITATIONS HERE. WE THINK IT'S A AS YOU'LL HEAR A GREAT USE FOR THIS SITE. UM SELF STORAGE FACILITY GENERATES VERY LOW TRAFFIC, VERY LOW IMPACT. UM, AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP A SITE HERE. IN THE PROJECT HERE, UM, THAT AFTER THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP IS COMPLETE, UHM CAN THRIVE AND BE A MAN ACTIVE AND PRODUCTIVE ADDITION TO THIS COMMUNITY. WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROFESSIONALS HERE TONIGHT TO TESTIFY. OUR FIRST IS JOSHI, WALT. HE'S OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. UM MR CHAIR, COUNSELOR. IF WE COULD GET HIM SWORN IN LIKE TO SWEAR EVERYONE IN WHO'S GOING TO TESTIFY IN THE APPLICATION CAN EVERYONE FROM THE APPLICANTS TEAM COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND ALSO WE HAVE THE BOARD'S TEAM OF EXPERTS AT THE TABLE. ONCE EVERYONE COMES UP, I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE TO RAISE THE RIGHT HAND. AND DOES EVERYONE SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY? YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AND I'M GONNA START DOWN HERE. YEAH, I DO. YES. YES. OKAY NOW, STARTING BACK OVER HERE, STATE YOUR NAME SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD SLOWLY AND GIVE YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICANT OR THE BOARD AS THE CASE MAY BE. CERTAINLY JOSH SEEWALD S E W A L D FROM DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS AND I'M THE AFRICANS CIVIL, CITING OKAY. YOU'RE A PE CORRECT. BEFORE HE CHANGED. C O R E Y. LICENSED PROFESSIONALS HERE WITH THAT. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. CRAY RANCH IMPHAL SPELLED BOTH. IT'S C R E I G H RAND CAMP R A. H. D N K MP AND I'M, A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER.

JAMES CARVILLE. BROADCAST DARCY WITH ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS. AND HE'S ONLY INBOARD ENGINEER.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, BY THE WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. VERY GREAT. THE COUNSELOR. UM. SHOULD WE QUALIFY OR WITNESS HERE? YEAH HE'S QUALIFIED WITNESS BY WITNESS, OKAY? JOSH FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD. CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE EVERYONE WITH YOUR BACKGROUND? YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND AND PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, WE'LL GET YOU QUALIFIED AS A CIVIL ENGINEER.

CERTAINLY GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY AGAIN, JOSH SEEWALD FROM THE FIRM DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANT. I HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE. DO YOU GET THAT MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOU? TIP IT UP. THERE YOU GO, OKAY? YEP. AH! AS WELL AS THE MASTER. LICENSE FEE IN NEW JERSEY. WERE ACCEPTED. BEFORE YOU ACCEPT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN HIS QUALIFICATIONS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON HIS QUALIFICATIONS FROM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC. IN THE PUBLIC. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS AS AN EXPERT ENGINEERING EXPERT? NO. THANK YOU QUALIFIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOSH. YOU'VE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THE BOARD THIS EVENING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD. CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ENGINEERING ELEMENTS? I KNOW WE HAVE A FEW EXHIBITS HERE. CHAIRMAN I DON'T KNOW IF THESE WERE PREVIOUSLY MARKED OR WILL BE MARKING THEM ONE BY ONE. WE'LL MARK THEM AS WE GO. I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE MARKED JUST SPECIFY WITH WHICH ONES. WHEN YOU SAY EXHIBITS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DISPLAYED.

TALKING ABOUT THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DISPLAYED. CORRECT THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DISPLAYED HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED INTO THE FILE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE MARKED. THEY WOULD BE DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBITS. IF YOU HAVE EXHIBITS THAT ARE HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED INTO THE FILE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MARK THEM. AND DO YOU HAVE A PAPER COPY SO WE CAN MARK A PAPER COPY

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CAN YOU MOVE THIS EXHIBIT UP SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE TITLE IS IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER.

EXHIBIT. THE DATE IS. JANUARY 23 2024 SO YOU'VE MARKED THAT I DIDN'T CAN YOU GIVE THAT TO OUR BOARD SECRETARY, PLEASE? AND ASSUME THE NEXT ONE COMING UP IS GOING TO BE EXHIBIT A TWO. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THIS IS ENTITLED STATE PLAN RENDERING AND AGAIN STATED JANUARY 23 2024 CORRECT.

OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. JOSH, IF YOU COULD. TO PAY. ONE THE TOP. TO THE NORTH.

BOTTOM OF THE PLAN IS TO THE SOUTH. RIGHT NEXT TO THE EAST. AND TO THE LEFT. TO THE WEST.

RUNNING. AROUND OUR PROPERTY. A YELLOW BOUNDARY THAT IS THE SHAPE OF THE FRACTURE. AROUND THAT YELLOW WHOLE VINE OF THE DOTTED LINE THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 200 FT PROPERTY OWNERS LIST. THEN YOU'LL SEE RUNNING IN THE NORTH SOUTH DIRECTION. THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES. SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE AERIAL MAPS EXHIBIT IS THE LIGHT BLUE COLORS. THAT'S TO GIVE THE SEPARATION OF THE DIFFERENT ZONES. ROSE. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SIDE. HIGHWAY.

2006 UTILIZE THIS FACILITY. THE OVERALL OFFICE FOR THEM. THE PROPERTY IS APPROX. DELIVERING SHAPE. OF GREATER THROUGHOUT THE PROBLEM. AN APPROXIMATE. ACRES OF THE PERVIOUS COLLEGE. TO THE NORTH OF OUR SITE. SUMMARY OF SHOPPING. AS WELL AS MORE THAT HAVE SEEN SOMEONE IN THE MARKET.

INCLUDING THE MAXIMUM AMERICA. NORTH SHOPPING. THE WALLET. THAT'S THERE AND

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EXISTING CUTS. GOOD FRIDAY. THE SITE. AND CONTAMINATION ASSOCIATED PREVIEW. THERE HAS BEEN SOME ANGLE.

FEATURE AND MONITOR. AS TO THE EPA X MAKE SURE THAT ANY WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE. START. OH, THAT'S BREATHING. THE TRIBE. FURTHER. HISTORY ABOUT THIS. YOU LIED. ENGAGED IN HIRED. SURVEY.

FROM SURVEY TOO. HAVE FAITH. STARTING IN NOVEMBER OF 2022. WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEGAN TO DEMOLISH.

AND RETURN IT. SIX. YOU WILL HEAR FROM TONIGHT AS WELL AS YOUR. USED TO A BRIEF BRIEF WHAT IS BEING REMEDIATED? WHAT IS THE CONTAMINATION? THAT'S BEING REMEDIATED. SIR THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF THE CONTAMINANTS. CAN YOU SUMMARIZE THIS IN LESS THAN THREE SENTENCES? TCP. SINCE 2014. THANK YOU.

NOW REFERENCING. EXHIBIT A TWO EXHIBIT A TWO BE SAFE. TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THEN COLOR TO PRESS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE. TO THE TOP. STARTING ON. THE WESTERN PORTION AGAIN THE PROCESS. A DECENT ON A WALL. MORSI A ONE STORY DRIVER. OF ITSELF.

MOMENT DRIVEWAY. WHICH IS 30 FT. WIDE. TO START FROM THAT DRAGON AND APPLIED.

CLIMATE CONTROLS ALSO. YOU SEE THAT THERE? REAR OF THE BUILDING. TO FUNCTION. ONE. THE REQUIRED. WHERE I COST. IN JULY INSIDE IS YOUR FORM. AND BE ABLE TO GET OUT. WE NEED TO WORK.

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BART STATION. DR. IN ADDITION TO THAT, TREATMENT FACILITY. WHERE IS THE TREATMENT FACILITY SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT? I DON'T SEE IT. CAN CAN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN POINT AT IT? THERE'S A SHED IN A TRAIL AND LOOK AT IT. IS IT ON HERE AND I AND IT'S JUST TOO SMALL FOR ME. THIS IS WHERE IT IS. IT'S NOT TRUE. LOOK JONAS. OKAY? BETWEEN ALL OF YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR. GOES TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ON THE NORTHERN SIDE. ACTUALLY, THE NORTH HE'S LIKE IN THE NORTHEASTERN CORNER. I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING BUT WE HIRE THE BEST, RIGHT? THE FINAL SIDE FEATURE. A SMALL 10 BY 10. NEXT WORK SINGLE STORY 9000. THAT'S RIGHT. THE OFFICE SUPPLY. A CARDBOARD. TO SACRIFICE OTHER. SECOND FLOOR, RESULTING FROM THIS ONE OFF. THAT THAT TRASH ENCLOSURE IS SMALL ON PURPOSE IN ORDER TO LIMIT IT TO BASICALLY OFFICE REFUSE ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDINGS. WE DO NOT WANT ANY OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE TENANTS TO THINK THAT YOU CAN DUMP OFF LARGER ITEMS. THOSE ITEMS WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE NORMAL PUBLIC DUMP OR PRIVATE HALL OR THROUGH THEIR MEANS OF OTHER PROJECTS. AS I MENTIONED IN MY OPENING ON EXHIBIT A ONE. THE SITE DOES HAVE SOME VARIOUS GRADES THAT ARE LOCATED ACROSS IT, UM THERE'S ABOUT 15 FT OF GREAT CHANGE, STARTING IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER HEADING TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST CORNER. IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE SIDE, OR IF YOU KNOW THE AREA FROM THE MONTGOMERY SHOPPING CENTER, AND YOU SEE A PRETTY BIG DROP OFF IN THE REAR, HEADING DOWN TOWARDS SOME OF THAT RETAIL FACILITY. SO PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT OF THE CYCLONE WAS TAKING A LOOK AT THE BOX STANDARDS, WHICH IS THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS. IN ADDITION TO THAT WE, OF COURSE, HAD TO COORDINATE WITH THE EPA BECAUSE OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO MODIFY. WHEN WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SHADE TREES, BUFFERS AND TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SENSITIVE, OF COURSE TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS EXHIBIT THAT'S BEFORE YOU. WE HAVE NO ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE SELF STORAGE LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. WE COMPLY WITH THE SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 20 FT. WE COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPE OFFERS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE, AND IT WAS OUR INTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO TRAVEL, PARKING OR UNLOADING OR LOADING WOULD BE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT EASTERN SIDE BECAUSE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, A DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY. ALL OF THE ACTUAL ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH SELF STORAGE WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE WESTERN SIDE. IN BETWEEN THAT SINGLE STORY 9000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND OUR CLIMATE CONTROL FACILITY NEXT TO OUR WHILE I'M NEIGHBOR AND THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH. OVERALL THE SITE AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS DEVELOPED THAT ALMOST TWO ACRES ON IN SIZE THIS OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT AND IT IS A REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE ARE SINCE REMOVED THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE ON SITE, AND THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY ALMOST 100 PARKING SPACES ON SITE. WE'LL BE REDUCING ON SITE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE BY 0.2 ACRES. FURTHER REDUCING MOTOR VEHICLE SURFACE AREA BY 0.82 ACRES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BASICALLY, WE'RE RIPPING OUT ALL OF THE EXISTING ASPHALT PAVEMENT. THAT'S THERE

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YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECT ABOUT THE VERY MODERN AND CLASSIC FACILITY THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED BUILDING. IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AS WELL AS A MANHOLE IN THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. WE WILL BE RETIRING BACK INTO THAT AND AS WE MENTIONED BECAUSE OF THE VERY LOW AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES AND , UH, LACK OF CUSTOMERS THAT YOU SEE IN A REGULAR BASIS, THERE WILL NOT BE A LARGE SEWER DEMAND ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. LANDSCAPING AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IS CALLED FOR RENDERING FOR THE RENDERING PURPOSES ON EXHIBIT A TWO WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE OF TIMES. WE HAVE VARIOUS REVIEW LETTERS. WE HAVE YOUR BOARD PLANNER BOARD ENGINEER YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. YOU ALSO HAVE SHADE TREE COMMISSION AS WELL AS A PARKSON. A PARKS COMMISSION AS WELL. SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO FROM OUR REV. ZERO DRAWING TO OUR REB ONE DRONE IS COMPLIED WITH AS MANY OF THEIR REQUESTS RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE CAN. I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE 98 VARIOUS TREES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE OVER 143 SHRUBS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY FOR A TOTAL OF 240 NEW PLANTINGS THAT WILL BE COMING ONTO THE SITE. CERTAINLY THE GOAL WAS TO BUFFER TO THE EAST. THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE THAT WE LOOKED AT WITH A ROCKY HILL RESIDENTS. AND THEN WAS PROVIDING VARIOUS SHADE TREES AND STREET TREES ALONG 518. SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHERING THE BUFFERING BETWEEN US AND THE WAWA AND THEN FINALLY ADDING SOME ACTUAL LANDSCAPING LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE. WE'RE RIGHT NOW. YOU JUST SEE SOME MAINTAINED LAWN AND A 3 TO 1 DROP OFF AND GRASS AS YOU HEAD TO THE MONTGOMERY SHOPPING CENTER. ONE OF THE ONE OF THE MANY ITEMS REQUESTED FROM THE APPLICANT THROUGH THE LAST REVIEW WAS TO TRY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE LARGE OAK TREES THAT ARE LOCATED ON 518. WE WENT OUT THERE WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OF OUR OWN IDENTIFIED THAT ONE OF THOSE SIX ARE UNFORTUNATELY PASSED. THERE ARE FIVE REMAINING, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PRESERVE THREE AND LOOK TO REMOVE TWO BUT IN LOSING THOSE TWO AS I MENTIONED WILL BE, WE WILL BE PROVIDING OVER 240 PLANTINGS 98 OF THEM BEING TREES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. FROM THE LIGHTING STANDPOINT, MY FIRM HAS CERTAINLY NOT MYSELF AND MY FIRM HAS BEEN BEFORE YOUR BOARD. WE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT LIGHTING IS. WE TOOK A LOOK AT YOUR LIGHTING ORDINANCE. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE CYCLONE AS WELL.

I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THERE ARE NO LIGHTS, NO AREA, LIGHT POLES OR WALL PACKS LOCATED ON THE EASTERN SIDE FACADE FACING ROCKY HILL, AND THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE LIGHTS OVER THERE. OUR LIVES ARE REALLY MOSTLY WALL PACKS ON EACH ONE OF THESE TWO BUILDINGS FACING DOWN TOWARDS THE PAVEMENT AREA. WE DO HAVE ONE AREA LIGHT BULB AND THAT IS LOCATED AT THE FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY ON 518 THAT AREA LIGHT POLE ON THE FULL MOVEMENT. DRIVEWAY IS, OF COURSE FOR SAFETY REASONS, AND SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SAFE MANEUVERS. COMING IN OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY. WE DON'T SEE THERE'S A REASON TO PUT ANY OTHER AREA LIGHT POLES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SITE. WE BELIEVE THAT THE WALL PACKS WILL BE ABLE TO SAFELY ILLUMINATE THE PARKING AREAS. OVERALL LIKE I MENTIONED, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS CLIMATE CONTROLLED SELF STORAGE FACILITY. THE HOURS OF OPERATION, OF COURSE, ARE IMPORTANT TO ANY APPLICATION, LET ALONE A USE PARENTS APPLICATION. THE FACILITY WILL BE OPEN TO OUR CUSTOMERS BETWEEN 6 A.M. AND 10 P.M. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SO THIS WILL NOT BE A 24 HOUR OPERATION. YOU WON'T NEED YOUR KEY FOB IN ORDER TO ENTER THE BUILDING AND GET IN AND OUT. THE OFFICE AREA HAS SOME REDUCED AREAS AND THIS IS ALL PART OF

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DO YOU HAVE A D AND N J D E P. L S R P OR JUST ALL THROUGH THE E P A IS THROUGH THE EPA. MY FIRM DID DO THE PHASE ONE ASSOCIATE THE SITE. WE DID THE ASBESTOS CAN SURVEY WE DID THE ABATEMENT AND WE ASSISTED WITH DEMOLITION. BUT BECAUSE THE SITE IS UNDER EPA, THIS IS NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL LS RP. THERE IS NO DEEP PERMITS. IT'S ALL THROUGH THE EPA PROGRAM. SO SOMEBODY WILL BE TALKING TOWARDS THE REMEDIATION FOR THE EPA AS WE GO THROUGH THIS TESTIMONY. THAT'S ME, SIR. I DID OPEN WITH HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY. I HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT DETAIL. THAT'S ON IT . BUT ALL THE DETAIL I'M COMMUNICATING TO YOU IS FROM THE EPA OFFICERS. THE APPLICANT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLEANUP OR ONGOING. MONITORING OF IT, AND WE HAD TO SUBMIT OUR SITE PLAN DRAWINGS, WHICH IS UNDER MY PURVIEW AS A P TO THE E P A. BEFORE I WAS ALLOWED TO EVEN FILE TO THE VARIOUS PERMANENT AGENCIES SUCH AS YET. IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE, WHO IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT'S UNDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DO THE REMEDIATION. THEY ARE DOING THE REMEDIATION. IT IS A SUPER FUN SITE. SO AT SOME POINT IN THE HISTORY SINCE THE 19 SIXTIES, THEY FOUND CONTAMINATION IN THE WATER SOURCE AND THEN FELL INTO A SUPERFUND SITE, AND THEY ARE PAYING FOR AND TAKING CARE OF THE ONGOING REMEDIATION AND TREATMENT ON THE PROPERTY AND THE FURTHERING OF THE MONITORING. THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SOMEONE'S GOING TO ASK YOU AT SOME POINT IF YOU DIG FOR A FOUNDATION RIGHT? SO AGAIN, YOU SAID IT WAS THERE WAS A PLUME. IS THIS SOIL CONTAMINATION, OR IS IT HOW FAR DOWN IS THE PLUME AND IF YOU HAVE TO DIG FOR A FOUNDATION WHO WILL BE SUPERVISING OR OBSERVING THAT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PROBLEM THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO ASK YOU THAT WILL ASK IT NOW.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT IS WHERE AN LS RP COMES IN BECAUSE THE EPA IS NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS SITE. THE EPA, OF COURSE, HAS TO REVIEW AND APPROVE IT PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. IT IS NOT SOIL CONTAMINATION. IT IS GROUNDWATER EXAMINATION. SO YOU CAN DO A FOUNDATION AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO DEAL WITH REMOVAL OF CONTAMINATED SOILS.

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NOT JUST IN THE USE COMPONENT, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT RESIDENTIAL OR DAY CARE. IT'S MORE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW RETAIL SERVICE SLASH INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL. IN ADDITION TO THAT THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED TO EVEN BE DEVELOPED IN THE SIZE OF COVERAGE AS WELL AS DON'T WANT TO MANAGEMENT SO THEY HAVE A VERY HEAVY HAND IN THE REGULATION OF THIS PROP OF THE REGULATED AREA OF THIS PROPERTY. AND IN THE LONG TERM ONCE, LET'S ASSUME YOU'VE GOT TO GO AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT SOME POINT. WILL THE E P A GO AWAY AND WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ONGOING MONITORING OF ALL THE WELLS IN THE GROUND WATER? SO THE E P A. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON, SIR. THEY THEY'VE BEEN ON THE PROPERTY SINCE THE 19 EIGHTIES AND THERE WAS ONGOING AND ACTIVE REMEDIATION PART OF THE WAY THE CYCLONE IS DESIGNED. IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LEAVE NOT JUST THE WELLS, WHICH IS USUALLY KNOWN FOR MONITORING, BUT THERE IS PIPING AND INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY IN THAT YOU WROTE ON THE SITE. THAT IS TO REMAIN FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. SO THE APPROVAL WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM EPA AS YOU CAN CONSTRUCT THIS. AND EPA'S WORLD AND IT WILL STAY IN PLACE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER OF HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE. THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REMEDIATING UNTIL IT FALLS BELOW THE THRESHOLD FOR T C EIGHT. THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AFTER THE REMEDIATION IS DONE, YES, THAT TRAILER WILL BE REMOVED ON SITE. BUT THEN THOSE WELLS WILL CONTINUE TO STAY ON SITE FOR FUTURE MONITORING, AND THAT MAYBE EVEN FURTHER ALONG. SO CAN YOU SEE THE WELLS ON THIS DIAGRAM THAT YOU HAVE HERE? SO IT IS OVER TWO ACRES IN SIZE. SO THE SCALING, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REALLY LOCATE A DESCRIPTION ALSO SO THE STENOGRAPHER AND WHERE ARE THE WELLS ON THE PROPERTY? CERTAINLY SO PART OF THE APPLICANT SUBMISSION WAS A ROBUST CIVIL ENGINEERING SET. THIS IS FOR RENDERING PURPOSES SO YOU CAN SEE THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE. BUT TO GIVE AN IDEA AND I'LL SHOW THE CURSOR FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT I'LL DICTATE FOR THE QUARTER STARTING IN THE NORTHERN REAR PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE EXISTING TRAILER IS FOR ONGOING REMEDIATION. THERE IS PIPING THAT TRAVELS IN THE WESTERN DIRECTION LOCATED UNDERNEATH THE PROPOSED YOU DRIVEWAY. AND THEN FURTHER PIPING THAT TRAVELS SOUTH TOWARDS 518 UNDERNEATH OUR PROPOSED PARKING AREA. THAT IS WHERE THE PIPING SYSTEM IS. AND THEN THERE ARE VERTICAL WELLS THAT DRIVE DOWN INTO THE GROUNDWATER TABLE, CONSTANTLY PUMPING, BRINGING UP DIRTY WATER, TREATING IT AND PUTTING BACK IN CLEAN WATER. THERE ARE SEVEN WELLS LOCATED IN THAT U SHAPE, MA'AM AS YOU HEAD BACK NORTH. AND THEN AS YOU HAD EAST TO AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE TRAILER THE TESTIMONY IS THAT THERE'S PIPING UNDER THE PROPOSED PAVED AREAS. NO PIPING UNDER THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. I'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT LATER. AH THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO, JUST, UM SUMMARIZE, UM, FROM OUR DIRECT TESTIMONY IS OUR SIGNATURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE. WE DO HAVE ONE PROPOSED I'D SIGN THAT IS LOCATED, OF COURSE AT OUR FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY NEAR 518. I DO BELIEVE IT IS COMPLIANT WITH YOUR HEIGHT. SIZE AS WELL AS THE SETBACK LOCATED FROM THE PROPERTY, AND THE BUILDING DOES HAVE A 50 SQUARE FOOT SIGN LOCATED ON THE BUILDING. YOU WILL SEE THAT ON THE ELEVATIONS FROM THE ARCHITECT SHORTLY, BUT OVERALL, JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THOSE SITE FEATURES. EXACT CONCLUDE YOUR PART OF THE TESTIMONY. WE LIKE TO BREAK SOMETIMES. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE WE GET INTO ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BREAK, THEY'LL BREAK INTO YOU.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOUR DIRECT TESTIMONY JOSHUA IT DOES. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? YEAH GREAT. GREAT SO THE WAY THIS IS GONNA WORK, AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ALREADY FROM THE BOARD. UM I'D LIKE TO WITHHOLD IT MORE FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD AND ALLOW THIS TIME TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANT TO ASK THE ADVOCATE. BUT LET US THIS WITNESS. YES OF THIS WITNESS AND ONLY THIS WITNESS, SO LET ME LET ME EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW THIS WORKS. SO YOU WILL HAVE AMPLE AND COMPLETE TIME TO GIVE YOUR OPINION OF THIS PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE NO OPINIONS OFFERED. AT THIS POINT, I VERY MUCH VALUE

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JUST CURIOUS. IS THERE AN ACTUAL LEGITIMATE SITE PLAN THAT WE CAN LOOK AT? BECAUSE UP IN THE HOLD ON, HOLD ON. HOLD ON CORNER ARE TWO OF THOSE ARE TWO EXHIBITS. OKAY BUT THIS IS WHAT HE'S SHOWING US. HOLD ON. THERE'S THIS SAFE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AND EARN THE BOARD FILE. AND IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT A SET, I'M ASKING SOMEONE JUST TO GIVE HER ONE OF THE SITE PLANS. LET HER LOOK AT IT IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. I HAVE ONE.

YES. CAN YOU GIVE THAT TO HER? PLEASE? JUST TELL ME WHAT IN THE RIGHT UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER.

WHAT THAT IS SORT OF. PICKING UP FROM THE TREES. TOWARDS THE BUILDING BUILDING THERE. YEAH RIGHT THERE. YEP. WHITE THING. WHAT'S THAT? THAT SAYS HC ZONE. THANK YOU. ZONING DESIGNATION.

IT'S A IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE. THEY USED A BAD EMBLEM. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THESE BUSHES AND TREES AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PLANT DO WE KNOW THE SIZE? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TAKING DOWN A 60 FT TREE AND PUTTING IN AND 6 FT THREE. YES, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW. YES. SO AS PART OF OUR UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE GIVE A SCHEDULE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT TREE SIZES AND SHRUBS AND WE CAN GIVE YOU A COPY OF THAT. MONTGOMERY ALSO HAS A LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERING ORDINANCE. SO IF YOU ARE TO TAKE DOWN A LARGER TREE, YOU MUST PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TREES. IT'S NOT JUST A ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT, AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH VARIOUS OTHER BUFFERING LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. SO, UM I HAVE A SET OF PLANS FOR YOU HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLANTS SET FOR MY TESTIMONY WAS THAT WE HAVE ALMOST 100 TREES THAT WILL BE INSTALLED ON SITE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF THEY'RE THIS BIG AND BIG ONES ARE COMING TO KNOW WHAT SIZE OR THE TREES THAT PLANTING, AND THEN HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE THEM TO GROW TO MATURITY? AND WHAT'S THE MATURE HEIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT TO ASK. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, ACTUALLY, GENERALLY, THEY'RE INSTALLED ANYWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND 8. FT FOR EVERGREEN TREES, ORNAMENTAL TREES WILL BE INSTALLED BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 FT. AND HOW LONG IS THE BUILDING? THE HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THE EVERGREENS? TO MATURE QUESTION RIGHT NOW. HOW TALL IS THE BUILDING UNDERSTOOD? THE SMALLER BUILDING THE 9907 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THE WESTERN SIDE IS 11.5 FT. THE LARGER BUILDING ON THE EASTERN SIDE IS 42.67. SO 42.67. AND THEN 6 TO 8. FT. THREE ISN'T REALLY GOING TO COVER MUCH CORRECT. I DON'T THINK MY TESTIMONY MAN WAS THAT THE TREES WOULD COVER THE BUILDING. I'M JUST SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE THIS BEAUTIFUL, LUSH BUFFER, BUT IN REALITY, IT'S NOT I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY AN INDUSTRIAL. IF YOU CLOSE THAT DOOR THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. EASTERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE DOES HAVE A MONTGOMERY LANDSCAPE BUFFER. WE COMPLY WITH THEIR STANDARDS FOR WITH THE DEP OFFER, AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF PLANTINGS THAT HAVE TO BE IN THERE. OKAY AND SINCE THERE'S ALSO SO MUCH I KNOW YOU THINK THAT THERE'S LESS COVERAGE. BUT THERE'S NO DRAINAGE CORRECT. THERE'S NO DRAINAGE BECAUSE WE'RE REDUCING ON SITE DEVELOPMENT BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. OKAY BUT I STILL SEE A LOT OF BUILDING A LOT OF PAVING SO THAT ALL OF THE NEW BUILDING AND PAVEMENT WILL BE COLLECTED ON SITE WITH CONCRETE, CURBING AS WELL AS WITH UNDERGROUND CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS, SO THERE IS A CONVEYANCE OF DRAINAGE THAT WILL BE HALF WILL GO TO ROUTE 518 UNDERNEATH THE COUNTY JURISDICTION. THE OTHER HALF

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BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL AREA IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT. TO BE CLEAR. WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO REDEVELOPMENT PLAN UNDER THIS WERE SUBJECT TO NORMAL FOR ONE MINUTE. I'M GOING TO ASK THE CATCH YOUR PLANNER. TELL ME IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT THE PLANNING BOARD I THINK RECOMMENDED, BUT I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNING BODY DESIGNATED THIS AS AN AREA AND REDEVELOP AN AREA NEED TO BE DEVELOPED. AND MY CORRECT OR INCORRECT THAT IS CORRECT. IT WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED AS A REDEVELOPMENT AREA. THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED. IT WAS NOTHING BY ME.

IT WAS BY COLLEAGUE OF MINE, BUT IT IS NOT A REDEVELOPMENT AREA. OKAY THANK YOU. AND MY LAST QUESTION FOR NOW. IS UM DOES THE EPA HAVE A SPECIFIC EASEMENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE A DELINEATED ANYWHERE ON ANY OF THE DRAWINGS DO NOT REQUIRE EASTMAN BECAUSE THEY TOOK OVER THE SITE AS A SUPERFUND SITE, SO THEY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE ENTIRE PARCEL AND BEYOND OUR PARCEL, EVEN BECAUSE THE POEM IS NOT JUST UNDERNEATH OUR PROPERTY, IT'S UNDER BEST AREAS. SO THERE'S A CIA ASSOCIATED WITH OUR PROPERTY THROUGH THE N J. D P, BUT THE EPA IS ALLOWED TO BE ON THIS SITE. WE ARE REQUIRED TO GET OTHER PERMITS FROM THEM TO CONSTRUCT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS EVENING. BUT THERE'S NO SEPARATE EASEMENT DELINEATING THEY HAVE RIGHTS AS THE SUPER FUN AND EPA TO DO WHAT THEY WERE SELLING THE PROPERTY. AND SO IS THE WHOLE SITE FENCED IN. AND HOW DO THE VARIOUS E P A FOLKS GET ACCESS? THE WHOLE SITE IS FENCED IN. CORRECT. I BELIEVE LINK PERIMETER. I BELIEVE IT WAS FENCED IN AFTER DEMOLITION, WHICH IS A BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. NO I MEAN IN THE FUTURE PROPOSED PLAN DOES THE

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT YES. I'M DANIEL DOYLE. UH HOLD ON. HOLD ON ITS FAILURE.

LAST NAME OIL, D O Y L E AND YOU'RE TELLING ACTUALLY RIGHT IN THE CORNER. GREAT SO I HAD ONE QUESTION THAT CAME WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING TODAY. UH YOU SAID THAT THE BUILDINGS WILL BE OPEN AT 6 A.M. AND YOU DID SAY THAT BOX TRUCKS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE IN TOWN AS FAR AS TRUCKING AND 6 A.M. AND A BOX STRUCTURE THAT BACK UP, THEY USUALLY BEEP MY PROPERTY IS VERY CLOSE TO THAT. I DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. IS THERE ANY TYPE OF NOISE RESTRICTION? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAR FOR THEM OR FOR THE BOARD OR BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S FOR HIM. THE ONLY PERSON YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO THAT. 6 A.M. I'M GOING TO ALLOW BOX TRUCKS BACKING IN THAT BUILDING, SO THE INTENT OF THE SITE DESIGN IS TO MINIMIZE ANY TYPE OF BACKING IT. COULD THERE BE SOME? YES SIR. THERE COULD BE BUT THE INTENT OF THIS SO THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR PROJECT IS ABOUT 120,000 SQUARE FEET IN THAT BUILDING TO THE EAST BUILDING HAS AN INTERNAL DRIVE THRU AREA, SO IF THERE ARE BOX TRUCKS COMING, THEY WILL ENTER THE FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY THAT'S BETWEEN OUR BOAT BUILT BUILDINGS, TRAVEL NORTH AND THEN EAST AND THEN GO THROUGH A LOADING BAY DOOR. AND THEN IT WILL THEN STAGE UNDERNEATH AND INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN THE DOOR BEHIND IT WILL CLOSE. YES THERE ARE A FEW DRIVE UP SELF STORAGE UNITS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE 9000 SQUARE FEET. COULD THEY THEORETICALLY BACK UP? POTENTIALLY THE POINT IS TO HAVE A LOADING ZONE, WHICH IS THAT STRIPED WHITE HATCH AREA SO THAT YOU COME IN OFF OF 518 YOU PARALLEL PARK NEXT YEAR SPACE. TAKE YOUR ITEMS OUT THE GOAL AND THE SITE DESIGN IS, I WOULD SAY UNIQUE IN THAT MATTER THAT YOU HAVE A ONE WAY DIRECTION AND AN INTERNAL LOADING AREA FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE UNITS THAT WE HAVE ON SITE. YOU'RE SAYING THE WHERE THE DRIVING PART THAT'S NOT THE SIDE THE BIG BUILDING. BUILD. DRIVING FORWARD. AND THEN PULL UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING BACKING UP. IT'LL HAPPEN WITH THE INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT'S CORRECT. SURE. AS I MENTIONED, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SOMEONE MANEUVERING OUTSIDE NEXT TO THE 9000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S MY TESTIMONY THAT THE SITE AND THE BUILDING IS UNIQUELY DESIGNED SO THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CUSTOMERS COME INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE DOOR BEHIND THE CLOSING. YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEN THE ARCHITECT DRAWS THEIR FLOOR PLAN, AND YOU'LL SEE THE INTERNAL LOADING SPACE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. ASKING THE QUESTION TO YOU? IS THERE A FOUND ORDINANCE? WELL YEAH, THAT THERE IS A TOWN ORDINANCE IN MONTGOMERY. YEAH I MEAN, I'LL PERMIT THAT QUESTION. IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER IT NOW, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK. THERE IS A SOUND ORDINANCE THAT YEAH. IN THE TOWNSHIP AND IT WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE AFGHAN ABIDE BY THAT ORDINANCE. THAT'S THAT'S NOT EVEN SOMETHING BUSONI BOARD HAS CONTROL OVER THE TOWNSHIP. OR WHAT TIME IS THAT? I BELIEVE IT'S. I THINK IT'S 78 JULIE, SEVEN AM SEVEN AM SPECIFICALLY BE FOR CONSTRUCTION . I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD IT TALKS ABOUT LIKE BLOWERS AND MOWERS AND OTHER TYPE OF ASSISTANCE, BUT MY CONCERN ABOUT THE SIX AM STARTING. YEAH REGARDLESS OF SAYING THAT THAT THAT KIM HAS TO ABIDE BY THE TOWNSHIPS SOUND ORDINANCE IS REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE THIS WAY. THEY'RE NOT. THEY HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE. FROM THIS FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE. THEY HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR ANY RELIEF FROM IT, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT. WHAT IT IS SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. I IMAGINE AFTER HEARING YOUR QUESTION SOMEONE ON EARTH TEAM IS GOING TO LOOK IT UP AND ADDRESS IT AT SOME POINT DURING THE HEARING. THAT'S MY GUESS. MY NAME IS JEFF YORK.

WILD ARC, A RESIDENT OF ROCKY HILL. RUN WITH BOTH MONTGOMERY AND ROCKY HILL AS AN EMT VOLUNTEER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND VERY WELL DONE. I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD. I JUST DON'T SEE ANY OTHER LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE THING. SEEMS LIKE THE WHOLE THING'S IMPERVIOUS. IN TERMS OF WATER. AND UM SO I DID A GREAT REDUCTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO REALLY KNOW THE NUMBERS BEFORE AND AFTER, BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT AS A LAYPERSON. I SEE VERY LITTLE. AREA IN WHICH THE WATERS WHEN IT DRAINED DOWN THROUGH THE SOIL. AND HAVING

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I GOT THIS ONE. SO I TOTALLY RESPECT YOUR QUESTION AT THIS TIME, LIKE YOU HEARD FROM THE SOLICITOR. THIS IS ALL QUESTIONS ON MY TESTIMONY. YOU'LL HEAR A LOT MORE TESTIMONY FROM OUR ARCHITECT, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND THEN THE PLANNER AS WELL AT THE END. WHO'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY THE BUILDING IS THE SIZED OVER THIS? TO ANSWER. I THINK A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAINING I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE PLANS ARE DRAWN TO SCALE AND ACCURATE AND WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING ON SITE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, AND IT'S NOT JUST ME TESTIFYING TO THAT YOUR BOARD HAS AN ENGINEER AS WELL. WHO CAN REVIEW AND CONFIRM THOSE PLANTS. UM, SO WITH THAT GREAT REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, NOT JUST TOTAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT REDUCTION AND ASPHALT AREA. IT IS A NET BENEFIT FOR SOMEONE IN MANAGEMENT. WE CONSIDER. CAN YOU? WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT HEARING YOUR QUESTION. YOU'VE GOT TO COME UP TO THAT MICROPHONE. I'M SORRY. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED LEAD DOING ANYTHING WITH THE LEAD? THAT'S A BUILDING FEATURE. I'LL HAVE TO ASK YOU TO TALK TO THE ARCHITECT ABOUT THAT, OKAY? ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BAILEY. OCCUPANT E. I LIVE AT 118 WASHINGTON STREET. CAN YOU CAN YOU SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME B A. I L E Y. AND MY LAST NAME IS 0 CC H I P I N T. I SO DO YOU. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE DEEP RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY. WHAT CAN YOU AS A FAVOR? EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ASKING HIM, CAN YOU FACE THAT MICROPHONE JUST SAID IT TO WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THE DEED, RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY AND WHAT OTHER USES ARE PERMITTED BY THE GOOD QUESTION, SO WE HAVE A CLASSIFICATION EXCEPTION AREA.

IT'S CALLED THE C E. A THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE ON JUNE 6TH OF 2014 . THE PURPOSE OF THAT EXCEPTION IS TO ESTABLISH AN AREA OF GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION THAT WILL THEN REGULATE THE INSTALLATION OF ANY FUTURE PORTABLE WEALTH. BASICALLY IT'S NOT JUST THE CIA ON OUR PROPERTY . IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLUME IN THE AREA. SO SHOULD ANYONE WANT TO DRILL A WELL FOR PORTABLE REASONS THAT WOULD COME UP AND IT WOULD STOP THE LICENSE ? WELL, DRILLER FROM PUTTING IT IN THERE. CAN YOU REPEAT THE BEGINNING OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID? HE? CERTAINLY IT IS A CLASSIFICATION EXCEPTION. AREA C E. A IT WOULD BE A OKAY, CORRECT. IT WAS PROVIDED ON JUNE 6TH OF 2014. AND IT IS NOT JUST ASSOCIATED WITH OUR PROPERTY ASSOCIATED WITH THE OVERALL AREA OF THE PLUME, AND IT IS TO STOP THE WELL DRILLING OF PORTABLE WEALTH. LET ME REPHRASE MY QUESTION. WHAT TYPES OF USES IN TERMS OF LIKE SELF STORAGE OR MIXED YOUTH OR RETAIL? YOU STARTED TO ALLUDE TO THEM AND YOUR TESTIMONY. I JUST WANTED TO GET THERE WAS LIKE A LIST. I'M NOT AWARE OF THE DEED RESTRICTION. SOMETIMES WE DO WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH THE N J D E P. DEPENDING ON CONTAMINATION. WE SOMETIMES RESTRICT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF THE SITE. I AM UNAWARE OF THAT BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY. SOME OF MY TESTIMONY EARLIER WAS THAT THE APPLICANT AND OUR TEAM BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR THE SITE BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S A SUPER FUN AND IT'S CONTAMINATION. WE WOULD NOT WANT TO PROPOSE, SUCH AS A DAYCARE OR A RESIDENTIAL USE. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT EXIST AT THE D E P LEVEL OF NEW JERSEY. BUT THERE IS NOT ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF ON THE SITE. IT IS A C E. A THAT IS ON THE SITE THAT STOPS GROUNDWATER FROM BEING INTERACTED WITH POTABLE WELLS. THAT'S INTERESTING. OKAY, THANK YOU. MICHAEL JABRA G. I AM B R A FROM ROCKY HILL. LAST QUESTION. TONY FELLOW CIVIL ENGINEER. AH MY QUESTION IS BACK TO JEFF'S COMMENT ABOUT THE 50% OF 55% OF. PERMEABILITY WHATEVER. WHAT? WHAT KEEPS YOU FROM? PUTTING A DRY WELL LIKE I HAVE IN MY FRONT YARD. BUT I DON'T LIKE PORCH FROM DOING THE SAME THING HERE TO, UH MITIGATE FURTHER. THE GROUNDWATER. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM. IN THIS AREA. E P A DOES NOT WANT US TO INFILTRATE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT INTO THEIR GROUND INTO THEIR CONTAMINATED

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RESTRICT HOW MUCH, UM, REMEDIATION THAT THEY'RE DOING ON SET. SO THAT THE TESTIMONY EARLIER WAS BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION OF ON SITE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. WE ARE IMPROVING WATER MANAGEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE REDUCING THE FLOW RATES AND THE VOLUME COMING OFF THE SITE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY. BUT WHAT? WHAT WE WENT FROM WHAT? TO WHAT IN THE PREMIER ABILITY.

WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE IS AGAIN. SORRY THE EXISTING SITE IS 65.3. AND THE PROPOSED IS 58.8. AND THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IS 55% THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S 55. NO HE'S SAYING THAT'S 58.8% DOESN'T LOOK AT JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT IMAGINE YOUR CALCULATIONS ARE GOOD. BUT IF YOU HURT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY. DO YOU HAVE A DRAWING OF THE PREVIEW? EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE INTERESTED IN WHAT? YOU GOT TO PUT YOUR MICROPHONE UP. NO ONE'S HEARING YOU DO YOU HAVE A DRAWING OF WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY SO WE CAN COMPARE THE 63 AND 58 APPROX . PART OF THE CIVIL PACKAGE IS A DEMOLITION PLAN. THERE'S ALSO A SURVEY THAT WAS FILED ON WITH THE BOARD RECORD. ABSOLUTELY OKAY. I'M JUST COMING BACK BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSION. I THINK THE CHAIRMAN WANTS TO KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL OKAY. YES. GO ON. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOANNA LEONARDO. AND I LIVE IN THAT HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE IT'S ABOUT TO BE BUILT.

ROCKY HILL OR ROCKY HILL. YES, FIRST HOUSE IN ROCKY HILL. UM SO CAN YOU I KNOW THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALLUDED TO THE PREVIOUS QUESTION. CAN YOU SAY WAS THE PREVIOUS BUILDING THAT WAS THERE? TWO STORIES. I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO STORIES. SORRY. SO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS TO HAVE THIS ONE TO BE THREE. THAT IS CORRECT. AND I WILL TOWER CONSIDERABLY OVER. JUST JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT TESTIFYING. I'M NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION. BUT THE APPLICANTS ATTORNEY IN THE BEGINNING INDICATED THEY NEEDED TO USE VARIANTS. WHAT HE DIDN'T MENTION THEY ALSO NEED A D FOUR. IF THEY ARE FLOOR AREA RATIO OF VARIANTS. THEY ALSO NEED A D SIX HEIGHT VARIANTS. RIGHT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED RELIEF FROM THE BOARD. OKAY, TOO. RIGHT ALRIGHT, VARIANCES NOT SEE VARIANCES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, BUT IT'S HARDER TO GET A D AND I'M GOING TO BE LATER. OPINING. ON THE LEGAL STANDARD. FOR A D ONE VARIANTS IS SUPPOSED SITE HAS TO BE PARTICULARLY SUITED. THEIR PLAN IS GOING TO PUT IN TESTIMONY AND THE BOARD'S PLAN IS GOING TO PUT IN TESTIMONY AND THERE IS A SATISFY THE NEGATIVE CRITERION, WHICH IS THAT EVEN IF THEY PROVED THE SITES. PARTICULARLY SUITED FOR THE USE. THAT'S THE YOUTH VARIANTS COULD BE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC. GOOD. THAT'S AN IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS AND THAT THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT OF THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE MASTER PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THEY'RE THE NEW JERSEY SUPREME COURT HAS SAID THERE'S AN ENHANCED STANDARD OF PROOF. WELL IN A TYPICAL DEFOUR FAA ARE VARIANTS IN A TYPICAL D SIX HEIGHT VARIANTS. THE STANDARD IS DIFFERENT. THE SUPREME COURT.

STANDARD IN A D THREE. CONDITIONAL USE. FIRING IT WOULD APPLY, WHICH IS SIMPLY IS THAT DOES THE SITE REMAIN APPROPRIATE TO LEGAL ADVICE? I'M GOING TO BE GIVING HIM MIGHT AS WELL DO IT NOW, SO EVERYONE'S ON NOTICE OF IT IS IN MY OPINION, THOSE DISY THE CONDITIONAL USE VARIANCE TEST WOULD APPLY TO A D FOR A R AND D SIX HEIGHT IF THE USE WAS PERMITTED. BECAUSE THE USE IS PROHIBITED. IN MY OPINION, THE D ONE STANDARD IS GOING TO APPLY IN THIS CASE TO THE D FOUR F A, R AND THE D SIX HEIGHT VARIANTS, SO THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO ADJUST. THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THAT MIGHT BE NEWS. TO THEM, BUT THAT THAT'S MY LEGAL OPINION. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PROOF THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET.

WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE COUNSELOR. DID YOU TRY TO TAKE AWAY AT THE YOU KNOW SOME OF THE LEGALESE THERE IS THAT WE HAVE TO HOLD THIS APPLICATION TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF THE MISCELLANEOUS LAW DID ALL CONSIDERATIONS AND PART OF THAT THE STANDARDS FOR DEEP DOO DEE ONE VARIANTS, SO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING TOWNS. SO THIS IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING TOWNS AND NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORING TOWN. THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER THE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING LOTS, WHETHER THEY'RE IN MONTGOMERY, OR THEY'RE IN ROCKY HILL. THAT'S A GIVEN. MHM. YEP. UM AND WILL THERE BE E V CHARGING STATIONS. SO HOW MANY SO WE ARE REQUIRED FOR NEW JERSEY STATUTE TO

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YES, THE CURRENT OWNER. AND UM, BEEF FOUR. THE OWNERSHIP. DID THE APPLICANT, UH, DOING ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY. MY FIRM PREPARED TO PHASE ONE E S A IN NOVEMBER OF 2022. OKAY? DID THAT PHASE ONE OBVIOUSLY IT IT UNCOVERED GROUNDWATER ISSUES OR WHATEVER.

BUT WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT PHASE ONE ABOUT THE FORMER ON SITE WASTEWATER DISPOSAL SYSTEM SEPTIC SYSTEM PROBABLY WENT BACK. 40 YEARS OR 50 YEARS. DID IT FIND THAT AT ALL? OF COURSE, AND IT WAS ALSO IN THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE E P A. UM, WHAT WAS SORRY. WHAT WAS THE STATUS OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM? THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WAS A PARTIAL SOURCE OF Y. THERE'S GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION, SO NOT THE APPLICANT WHO CURRENTLY OWNS THE PROPERTY. IN MY OPENING TESTIMONY I TALKED ABOUT THE COMPANY CALLED. EVERYTHING IN ONE MOMENT. PRINCETON GAMMA TECH. WHEN THEY OPERATED FROM 1970 TO 2006, AND THEY WERE THE OFFICE AND WE'LL CALL IT UM ASSEMBLY OF X RAY AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES. THEIR FACILITY HAD A SEPTIC SYSTEM ON SITE. SO THERE WAS A PARTIAL SOURCE OF THE GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION WAS THEN TAKEN THEIR EFFLUENT FROM WHATEVER THEY WERE MAKING INSIDE OF THEIR BUILDING AND PUTTING IT INTO THE TOWN. BUT THERE WERE OTHER CONTAMINANTS AND SITES THROUGHOUT THE AREA BACK IN THE 19 SEVENTIES THAT THE EPA IDENTIFIED SO AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS SO WHAT IS THIS STATUS OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND TO GO BEYOND THAT? SINCE I'M SORRY? SINCE THE APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, AND I ASSUME DID THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING. YES, I TESTIFIED EARLIER THAT THE APPLICANT KNOCK THE BUILDING DOWN THROUGH THE DEMOLITION PROCESS. SO IN DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT WOULD ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY APPERANCES SUCH AS A FORMER SEPTIC SYSTEM IS PROPERLY ABANDONED. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. WAS ANYTHING DONE WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS IT'S STILL THERE WAS IT DUG UP? WHAT ANYTHING DONE WITH IT WAS PREVIOUSLY TAKEN CARE OF BY THE EPA. PREVIOUSLY TAKEN CARE OF, HE WANTS TO KNOW. WAS IT REMOVED OR IS IT STILL THERE? AGAIN THERE MIGHT BE REMNANTS OF IT, BUT IT WAS CAPPED, CLEANED AND SHUT DOWN BY THE EPA MANY MANY YEARS AGO. CLEAN SHUTDOWN WAS IT REMOVED? DID THEY PHYSICALLY TAKE OUT THE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT THE EPA MAY HAVE DONE IN THE 19 SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES BUT PART OF THIS SOURCE ALL OF THE SEPTIC FACILITY. PART OF THE REASON THAT THERE WAS CONTAMINATION WAS THE SEPTIC AS I TESTIFY TO THERE IS AN ON SITE SANITARY SEWER MAIN ON THE PROPERTY THAT BUILDING THAT WAS KNOCKED DOWN IS CONNECTED TO THE BUILDING IS WAS KNOCKED DOWN. IT IS THERE AND WE INTEND ON TAKING

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NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. EXACTLY AND IF YOU'RE BANKING ON THE FACT THAT THE E P A DID IT IN THE APPLICANT HAS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEPTIC. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME ASSURANCE THAT WAS THERE SOMETHING PROPERLY DONE TO REMOVE ABANDONED TAKE CARE OF THE SEPTIC IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE IT IS PARTIAL SOURCE OF CONTAMINATION OF THE GROUNDWATER IN THE AREA. IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT AND I WOULD THINK THE APPLICANT BEFORE BUYING THE PROPERTY WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TAKEN CARE OF. AGAIN. THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, AND WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE IDENTIFIED THAT THE BUILDING THAT IS NO LONGER THERE WAS CONNECTED TO A PUBLIC SANITARY STORE, WHICH IS ON SITE . THAT IS MY TESTIMONY THAT ANY ONGOING REMEDIATION IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AFRICAN WHICH IS WHY I DON'T HAVE INTIMATE DETAIL OF THAT SEPTIC.

IT'S NOT THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO INVESTIGATE. IT'S THAT AFTER DOING OUR INVESTIGATION. IT WAS OKAY. THE EPA IS ON SITE. IT IS A SUPER FUND. THE BUILDING IS CONNECTED TO A PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER CONNECTION. EVERYONE, LISTEN, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT. HE ASKED THE QUESTION, THE CHAIRMAN SAYS YOU SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE BOARD CAN KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TO SET THAT ABSOLUTELY WILL SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION. ABSOLUTELY GREAT, FEDERALLY REGULATED THE MUSLIM IF THE DOCUMENTATION IT'S NOT NEW JURISDICTION, BUT LET'S ADMIT IT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HELLO AND BARBARA PRESTON. I LIVE IN ROCKY HILL. I'M ALSO WITH THE NEWSPAPER. BUT I'M SPEAKING RIGHT NOW IS A RESIDENT OF ROCKY HILL. UM WHENEVER IS REVIEWING SOME ASKING QUESTIONS. YOU MEAN I'M PRESIDENT? I'M ASKING QUESTIONS AS A RESIDENT. YES. UM SO MY QUESTION IS, BASICALLY, UM , THIS PROPERTY I FREQUENTLY WALK THROUGH IT TO GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM ROCKY HILL. IT'S A VERY WALKABLE TOWN. WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THE MONTGOMERY SHOPPING CENTER IS RIGHT THERE WITH THE MOVIES, SHOP RATE SHOP STORES.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE TOWN OF ROCKY HILL IS WALKABLE AS POSSIBLE. WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE TO TAKE OUR CARS EVERYWHERE WE LOVE WALKING. UM, MY QUESTION IS REGARDING A FENCE AROUND THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WOULD BE A CHAIN LINK FENCE, BUT I HEARD TONIGHT THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE I DID, HOWEVER, SEE THAT THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED A SECURITY GATE. SO MY QUESTION IS WOULD THERE BE A SECURITY GATE? OR CAN WE JUST CONTINUE TO WALK RIGHT THROUGH THIS PROPERTY? UH, CAN WE AS RESIDENTS GO RIGHT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. UM WHICH WOULD BE GOOD FOR WALK ABILITY. THAT YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS, WOULD THE RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER? I MEAN THROUGH THROUGH THE PROPERTY. TO GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER LIKE WE DO NOW. AS DEPICTED ON THE SCREEN ON EXHIBIT A TWO. THERE IS NO PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM 518 TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. HOWEVER. IN THIS ENTITLEMENT PROCESS. THE TOWNSHIPS CONSULTANTS HAVE REQUESTED US TO PREPARE AN EXHIBIT, WHICH SHOWS A CONNECTION FROM THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK ON 518 ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED BUILDING, AND THEN WE'LL PROVIDE STEPS DOWN ON THE BACK HILL OF THE SITE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE WERE POPULAR TO GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. OKAY? OKAY CAN SOMEONE SCROLL UP TO SHOW ME WHAT TITLE. BLACK AND NEED FOR YEARS. I'M STRAINING. IT'S GRADING PLAN CHEAP FIVE BUT EXISTS THE GRADING PLAN THAT'S IN. NO, THIS IS A MARKED PROVIDED THE PLANNER HOLD ON THIS WORD TO BE A REQUEST TO SEE. JUST JUST WAIT A MINUTE GRADING. PLAN. MASTER OF I'M

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I AM. I AM. HOW DO YOU INTEND TO MAINTAIN THAT STAIRWAY? UH IN IF IT IF IT IS ACTUALLY BUILT. THIS EXHIBIT IS JUST PREPARATION FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD PLANNER. THIS AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT A FULLY ENGINEERED EXHIBIT, IT IS SHOWING THE POTENTIAL PATH OF PEDESTRIAN.

THERE ARE VARIOUS REVIEW LETTERS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION THAT HAVE ASKED ABOUT THE CONTEMPLATION OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THE APPLICANTS STANCE ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS THAT IT WAS NOT NEEDED, HOWEVER, PER THE REQUEST OF MONTGOMERY'S PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS. THEY SAID, CAN YOU CONTEMPLATE IT? THIS WAS THE CONTEMPLATED EXHIBIT PUT TOGETHER. CERTAINLY WE WOULD NOT ENCROACH BEYOND OUR OWN PROPERTY LINE AND ENCUMBER YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF SEPARATE AGREEMENTS. THIS IS THE SHOW THAT IF WE COULD PROPOSE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS DUE TO THE ON SITE GRADING CHALLENGES AS I'M SURE YOU'RE WEARING THE BACK ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO GO FROM 518 ACROSS OUR SIDEWALK ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY, AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO YOUR PROPERTY WOULD BE THROUGH STEPS BECAUSE OF THE DROP OFF IN GREAT, BUT HE ASKED YOU IF CONCEPTUALLY, HOW WOULD YOU MAINTAIN THE STEPS SINCE THE DRAWINGS CONCEPTUAL YOU WANT TO KNOW CONCEPTUALLY HOW THEY MAINTAIN THE STUFF. I'M I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT IT'S CONCEPTUAL, I IT WASN'T CLEAR. THAT THIS IS NEWS TO THE BOARD, OKAY? WE'LL GET BACK. WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS. MAYBE LATER LATER TIME. THANK YOU. GREAT. THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL YOU TOUCHED IT IN A SECOND QUESTION. GENERALLY WE DON'T ALLOW SECOND QUESTIONS. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING PERTINENT, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT. UM YEAH. THANK YOU.

SUSAN BRISTOL, WASHINGTON STREET, ROCKY HILL RESIDENT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM THE BOARD ATTORNEY STARTED TO GIVE US A CRASH COURSE IN VARIANCES, WHICH WAS VERY TIMELY BUT MY QUESTION IS, UM, ISN'T IT? UH, POTENTIALLY INAPPROPRIATE ASSUMPTION BY THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY THAT IF THE USE REQUIRES A VARIANCE. UM. AND THEN THE PROJECT REQUIRES OTHER KINDS OF VARIANCES SUCH AS BULK. THEN ONE WOULD HAVE TO ASK WHY THE USE THAT THE WOULD ASSUME THE USE DOESN'T FIT. I QUESTION IS, COULD WE GET A BRIEF? JUST REMINDER FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT OF THE VARIANCES BECAUSE IF BOTH ARE REQUIRED THAN THE USE DOESN'T FIT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, FORMALITY TO THESE MEETINGS. ONE OF THEM IS THAT THIS IS THE ENGINEER, AND SO THERE WILL BE A PLANNER. AND THAT'S WHEN THE PLANNER IS A YOU KNOW, CERTIFIED BY THE STATE UNUSUALLY ANSWERED SPECIFICALLY, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW, OKAY, YOU WILL GET THAT FULL BRIEFING, AND THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT AS TO WHY THIS SO THEY WILL TESTIFY

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AND THEN CLICK ON THE FILE YOU'LL SEE ELECTRONICALLY. ALL THESE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. AND WHAT I'M GONNA DO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THE PLANNERS MICHAEL SULLIVAN AND JAMES CLAVELL. LEE JAMES, RAISE YOUR HAND AGAIN. THEY DID A THINK EXACT STICK. 34 PAGE MEMO. AND IN IT, IT DESCRIBES ALL THE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED. ALL THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED. AND IT GOES THROUGH IN DETAIL. AND IF YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO THE BEST WAY TO SEE EXACTLY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THE PLANNERS TO TESTIFY, WHICH GENERALLY HAPPENS NEAR THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT. WHEN YOU GO HOME OR TOMORROW WHENEVER GO ONTO THE WEBSITE, GET THIS PLANNING REPORT AND YOU'LL SEE EXACTLY WHAT RELIEF THEY REQUIRE. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT STANDARDS APPLY, BECAUSE I SAID A LOT YOU CAN GO TO MY FIRM'S WEBSITE. CLICK ON MY NAME. AND I HAVE THESE THINGS CALLED CRIB SHEETS. EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF RELIEF THAT A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT COULD GRANT I HAVE BETWEEN ONE AND FOUR PAGES GIVING ILLEGAL STANDARD AND YOU CAN READ IT THERE. THANK YOU. I JUST ASSUME THE ENGINEER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGNING THE SITE. WHICH IS WHY THERE ARE THE OTHER VARIANCES. SO MY APOLOGIES DO DO WE WILL WAIT TO ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? RIGHT RIGHT . AND I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT YOU OFF IN THE QUESTION IS VERY GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AH OKAY. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THE, UH, THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS? GREAT THANK YOU SO MUCH VOLUNTEER. ALRIGHT SO WE'LL TURN TO THE BOARD THEN, UH, TO CONTINUE QUESTIONS FOR THIS, UH, WITNESS, MIKE, GO AHEAD. THANKS YOU MENTIONED A GREAT CHANGE A GREAT A GREAT CHANGE IN THE PROPERTY. IS THERE ANY CHANGE TO THE GRADE WITH THIS PROPOSED DESIGN AND THE SALT SOIL HAULING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. IF SO, DOES THAT FIT WITHIN THE CURRENT EPA RULES. GREAT QUESTION, SO THE BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED AND SIMILAR ELEVATIONS AS THE EXISTING, UH, OFFICE AND EXISTING PAVEMENT AREA BECAUSE WE ARE REDUCING ON SITE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. I WOULD NOT EXPECT ANY SIGNIFICANT, UH, HAULING OF ACCESS SOIL. IF ANYTHING, WILL BE ABLE TO LOSE LIKE WE HAVE TO SAY TOPSOIL ON SITE BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE GREEN AREA THAN IN THE EXISTING CONDITION AND I DO NOT ANTICIPATE A SIGNIFICANT IMPORT BECAUSE THE SITE AS I MENTIONED IS RELATIVELY FLAT, WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO GO. THERE IS GREAT CHANGE ALONG 518, WHICH WE MADE UP IN THE DRIVEWAYS. AND THEN THERE IS, UH, STEEP SLOPES ON THE NORTHERN SIDE REAR PROPERTY LINE THAT ARE TO BE LEFT ALONE AS BEST AS WE CAN SO NO MAJOR SOIL MOVEMENT ON SITE. OKAY YOU'RE SAYING NO SOIL EXPORT. YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BALANCE? BUT IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE SOIL IMPORT. THAT'S WHAT YOUR TESTIMONY IS. YES, SIR. YOU ALSO REFERRED TO THE TWO TREES THAT TWO LARGE JOKES THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN. YOU DIDN'T MENTION WHY IT WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THE ENTRANCES, OR CAN YOU JUST GO INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE? CERTAINLY THERE ARE SIX LARGE OAKS, LOCATED ON 518 ON 518 OR TO EXISTING CURB CUTS. THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY FOR THE FORMER OFFICE BUILDING. AND REDEVELOPING THE SITE, COMPLYING WITH EPA AND TRYING TO PUSH THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST AND NOT TOWARDS THE EAST, WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS. THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH TWO PINUPS. SO ONE OF THE SIX IS DEAD. TODAY YOU CAN GO TO THE SIDE. YOU SEE, THERE'S NOTHING ON IT EVEN BEFORE IT WAS WONDER TIME AND THEN OUT OF THE 53 OR TO BE KEPT AS IS AND REMAIN, AND WITH THE TWO THAT ARE COMING DOWN. 98 NEW TREES WILL BE PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THE SECOND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION YOU HAD YOU MENTIONED OBVIOUSLY NO OFFENSE AND NO THE SECURITY. I JUST WAS WONDERING, YOU SAID THAT THEY WILL KEEP UPS FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN IS THAT ONLY FOR THE BIG BUILDING OR THE KEY FOBS? WORKING ALSO FOR THE FOR THE ONE STORY BUILDING. UM AND THE KEY POPS WON'T BE ACTIVE AND AT NIGHT IS THAT CORRECT? SO WHEN THE ARCHITECT DOES COME UP, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A FLOOR PLAN OF BOTH BUILDINGS THAT WILL SHOW HOW YOU ENTER WHETHER IT'S A ROLL UP DOOR KEY FOB TO GET TO THE OFFICE OR EVEN THE DOOR THAT COMES UP WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE TRACTOR. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER SUITED PLAN FOR YOU TO REVIEW BECAUSE THE DRIVE THRU UNITS ON THE WESTERN 9000 SQUARE FOOT OR ROLL UP DOOR. BUT THEN THERE ARE UNITS BEHIND THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP POT TO ACCESS. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS PEOPLE GET IN

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YOUR FATHER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ENTER THE BUILDING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEP. ARE THERE. STORM DRAINS ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS GOING TO COLLECT ANY WATER. UM YES. THERE ARE EXISTING STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS ON THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE MODIFYING THEM IN THE POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION. CAN YOU SHOW THEM ON THE PLAN? SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN, RENDERING WHAT SHE'S ASKING IS CAN YOU CAN WE GET ONE OF THE SITE PLAN SHEETS UP THERE. SHE WANTS TO SEE WHERE THE DRAINS ARE. UH, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. CAN WE GO ON THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP WEBSITE PULL UP BECAUSE IT'S THE FULL SET OF PLANS ARE LOCATED ON YEAH. SO THAT WAY WE CAN PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD.

ACTUALLY, THIS IS A FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. WATCH WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT THIS IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE DIGITAL FILES, JUST LIKE HE'S DOING. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WEBSITE AS WELL. START WITH GOOGLE. YOU'RE GONNA THANK YOU GONNA PUT IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, NEW JERSEY. REPORT, OKAY? CLICK ON ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. GOOD. UP UP UP UP UP TWO BOARDS ALL THE WAY. I THOUGHT THAT UP. YEAH, RIGHT THERE. HERE WE GO. HERE. QUICK VIEW DETAILS. RIGHT COURT AGENDA AND THEN GO DOWN THERE. YOU LOOK AT THAT. LOOK AT THAT LINK. IS THAT NICE? GO TO FILES FILES. LOTS OF FUN SEATBELT. I'M SORRY. THE SECOND SIDE PLAN. SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT SET OF SITE PLANS , BUT THIS TRACKS EVERY SINGLE PLAN YOU SUBMITTED. YOU WANT THE LAST REVISION? THIS IS IT. SHEETS. SIX IS THE DRAINAGE PLANE. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU. THIS IS PART OF THE RECORD APPLICATION SITE PLAN DRAWINGS. PREPARED BY MY OFFICE DATED JUNE. 8TH 2023 LAST REVISED DECEMBER 18TH 2023 SO THE ORIENTATION OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS THE SAME AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TONIGHT IT UP A LITTLE BECAUSE THIS BOARD MEMBER IS GOING TO WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE ALL THE IT'S DONE. DRAINS ARE SO STARTING IN TELL ME NO PROBLEM. SO ON THE NORTHERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE WHERE OUR NEIGHBOR IS THE SHOPPING CENTER. YOU CAN SEE THOSE, UM BOLD LINES THAT CONNECT THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT IS COLLECTING ROOF RUNOFF AND PAVEMENT RUNOFF WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AREA THAT CONNECTS TO AN EXISTING ON SITE DRAINAGE FACILITY THAT THEN CONTINUES AND MAKES ITS WAY BACK TOWARDS THE SHOPPING CENTER. MR MURPHY. IF YOU GO TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN SIDE PROPERTY LINE WHERE WE FRONT ON 518, YOU'LL SEE OTHER CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS THAT CONNECT THE PAVEMENT AREA AND THE FRONT PORTION OF THE LARGE BUILDING AND THAT'S TRIBUTARY TO 518. SO THOSE HATCH LINES THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED STORMWATER DRAINAGE FACILITIES. HOW DOES THE PROPERTY UM FLOW? HOW DOES THE WATER ON THE PROPERTY FLOW RIGHT NOW IS SPLIT 5050 SO ALL THE VARIOUS NEW JERSEY REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE US TO KEEP AND MAINTAIN EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERNS THAT WAY YOU DO NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANY ONE OF YOUR POINTS OF ANALYSIS. SO TODAY, HALF THE PROPERTY GOES TOWARDS THE NORTH. OUR SHOPPING CENTER NEIGHBOR. THE OTHER HALF GOES TO THE SOUTH TO THE COUNTY. ARE YOU AWARE AS ANYONE AWARE, IF AS IT IS NOW, IF THERE IS A LOT OF RUNOFF AND POSSIBLE FLOODING IN THE PARKING LOT FOR THE FOR THE SHOP, RIGHT, UM AREA. AS IT IS NOW. AM I AWARE IF THERE IS FLOODING IN THE SHOP, RIGHT? I AM NOT EVALUATED THAT THAT VERY LARGE TRACK OF LAND. ARE YOU ASKING IF THE PROPERTY AND ITS CURRENT CONDITION THAT I'M REPRESENTING THIS EVENING IMPACTS THE SHOPPING CENTER SO YES, THE EXISTING PROPERTY TODAY HAS CONVEYANCE PIPES THAT DISCHARGED TO THE SHOPRITE SHOPPING CENTER.

YES THAT EXISTS TODAY, RIGHT? AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT RUNOFF SUFFICIENT THAT IT'S CAUSING ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY FLOOD AREAS IN THAT PARKING LOT? AND HOW WILL UH, THAT CONDITION BE AFFECTED BY THE CHANGES WHEN YOU SAY FLOOD AREAS? YOU MEAN STANDING WATER? OKAY BECAUSE

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YOU'LL SEE A LINE THAT SAYS SIX INCHES S. THAT IS THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER MAIN IN LINE THAT WE WILL BE REALIZING RECONNECTING INTO POINT OUT WHERE THAT IS. SO THE SIX INCH S S MEANS SANITARY, SEWER, CORRECT. IN THE NORTH IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PAMPERED PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. CAN WE SAY THAT THE PROPERTY HAS A SHAPE OF LIKE A SIM CARD? KIND OF THAT'S A GOOD DESCRIPTION. YEAH. SO THAT WILL BE A NEW LINE GOING INTO THE TOWNSHIPS SEWAGE SYSTEM. A NEW LATERAL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FROM OUR BUILDING AND CONNECT TO THAT EXISTING LINE. THAT'S THERE, CORRECT. UM. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DOUBLE CUT DRIVEWAY. UH AND LET'S GET THAT UP ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE. SO THE ONTO EXHIBIT EIGHT. IT. SO THIS IS A THIS IS SOMETHING THAT VARIANTS WHEN LEAVE WILL BE REQUIRED WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR AS WELL AS THAT MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM AND YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THAT. DEBT REQUIREMENT IS TO PROVIDE A COMMON ACCESS TO MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AS YOU MENTIONED SOMEBODY UNIQUE PROPERTY AND THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING THIS ACCESS POINT IN DIRECTLY INTO THE BUILDING THROUGH THIS DRIVE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY DRIVE THROUGH CAPABILITIES ARE NEEDED FOR THIS PROPERTY LIKE LIKE, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST COME TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND CARRY THEIR STUFF IN WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S WHAT I GUESS WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC NEED TO THE ENGINEERING NEED OF THE OF THIS VARIANCE RELIEF? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACTS OF WHY WE'RE PRESENTING IT THE WAY THAT WE ARE. WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A D ONE AND SOME OTHER SIGNIFICANT VARIANCES WITH THE SITE. THE PURPOSE OF DOING AN INTERNAL DRAFTER IS TO TAKE WHAT WE CALL THOSE POTENTIAL NUANCES AND THE SOUND ASSOCIATED WITH LOADING AND UNLOADING THE ACTIVITY OF OUR USE THAT WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED TO PUT IT INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER USES ON OTHER COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS, THE ACTIVITY IS OUTSIDE. WHETHER IT'S A RETAIL BUILDING. THE LOADING IS IN THE REAR LOADING DOCK. IF IT'S A GAS STATION, IT'S ON SITE AT THE TANK PAD.

RESTAURANTS ARE SIMILAR. WE HAVE CERTAINLY DESIGNED AT MY FIRM SELF STORAGE FACILITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE THIS INTERNAL COMPONENT. IT'S COMMON. YOU CAN SEE IT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. HOWEVER, IN REVIEWING THIS SITE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND WHAT QUESTIONS MAY HAVE COME NOT JUST FROM THE BOARD, BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTS NEXT DOOR. WE WANTED THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ACTIVITY TO BE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, SO THAT ANY CAR TRUCK OR YOU HAUL THAT IS GOING TO COME TO THIS FACILITY GOES INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THE DOOR CLOSES BEHIND

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DO YOU HAVE A SCHEDULING SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN SCHEDULE WHEN THEY'RE COMING AND MAKE UP OR THEY CAN JUST COME IN NIGHTHAWK. AS THEY WISH. SHOULD THIS PROJECT BE APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTIVE? A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY COMES IN. AND IF THERE IS NO TENANTS THERE'S A RAMP UP IN A SCHEDULE AFTER IT HAS STABILIZED, THOUGH THERE IS NO SCHEDULING, BECAUSE THE ACTIVITY OF THE SITE IS VERY WELL. WHAT YOU WILL HEAR SHORTLY FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS BUILDING IS A CERTAIN SIZE, NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC IS GENERATED. BUT OF COURSE THERE IS THAT OPERATIONAL GOING FROM NO TENANTS UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. AND AFTER DURING THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WILL ABSOLUTELY DO SCHEDULING ONCE IT'S STABILIZED, AND THEY HAVE THEIR BASE PEOPLE RENTING OUT THESE UNITS. THERE'S NO SCHEDULE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME IN AND DISTINGUISHED. I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, IN TERMS OF THE LOT COVERAGE. I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PROPOSED PROJECT HAS A SMALLER LOT COVERAGE THAN PRIOR. CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. SO THE LOT THE LOT COVERAGE THIS NEW PROPOSED PROJECT AS A LOWER LOT COVERAGE THAN THE PRIOR USE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. WOULD YOU SAY THAT? THAT THE. THE BUILDING. WAS SMALLER, AND THEY PARKING LOT WAS LARGER FOR THE LAST PROJECT. THEN WHAT THIS WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY THAT'S CORRECT. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A LIKE AN OVERLAY OF THE ONE BUILDING ON LIKE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE OLD BUILDING AND THEN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW BUILDING? BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING THAT LOOKS SO LARGE, UM BUT. THE PRIOR BUILDING. IT WAS. I MEAN, THE PRIOR COVERAGE WAS MOSTLY PARKING LOT. THAT IS CORRECT. AS I TESTIFIED EARLIER, THERE WAS ALMOST 100 PARKING SPACES. QUESTION ANSWERS. CAN YOU PUT TOGETHER? EXHIBIT TO SHOW. OPEN THE PRIOR BUILDING AND THE PRIOR PARKING WE CAN PREPARE THAT EXHIBIT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANKS I THINK THAT WOULD JUST HELP. VISUALIZE SOMEONE SHOULD BE TAKING NOTES. I'M TAKING NOTES. I'M HIGHLIGHTING EVERY TIME THEY ASK YOU TO SUBMIT SOMETHING. AND YOU SAY YES, OKAY. CHAIRMAN THROUGH YOU AND HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. YES, PLEASE. AH! I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE COVERED LATER, SO YOU COULD SAY IT'S COVERED LATER BUT INTERNALLY WITHIN THE BUILDING ARE THERE ELEVATORS AND THEN STAIRS? YES AND YES, AND THE ARCHITECT CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. AND THEN I WOULD BE CURIOUS ON HOW, UH, FIRE. UM. FIGHTERS COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING AND HOW THAT WOULD BE HANDLED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE. SO WILL THAT BE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION? WHAT THE SITE HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE FIRE TRUCK WE DID RECEIVE. I DON'T MEAN TO FIRE TRUCK. I MEAN , ONCE THEY WOULD HAVE FIRE TRUCK BE ABLE TO GET INSIDE YOUR AH, INSIDE THAT, UH, AREA WHERE THE CARS GET IN. AND THEN HOW WOULD THEY ACCESS A FIRE IN ONE OF THE UPPER STORAGE AREAS ON THE THIRD FLOOR, SO IT'S PART OF OUR CIVIL SET. ONE OF THE SHEETS SHOWS A FIRE TRUCK GOING THROUGH THE SITE AND THROUGH THE BUILDING TO GET BACK OUT TO 518. THAT'S WHY I WAS ANSWERING YOUR

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CHAIRMAN I GOT ONE QUESTION. IS THAT ALRIGHT? YES. GO AHEAD. DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY? THERE WAS ASBESTOS IN THE CURRENT BUILDING WAS THAT WHAT THE THERE WAS ASBESTOS IN THE FORMER BUILDING, AND THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE. IT WAS ABATED, BASICALLY MEANING IT WAS REMOVED LAST TO KNOCK IT DOWN, IN ADDITION TO OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS THAT WERE REMOVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RIGHT REGULATIONS, AND THEN THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED. GOT IT. UNDERSTAND? THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. WILL THERE BE SOME KIND OF AIR CIRCULATION SYSTEM? GIVEN CARS GOING INSIDE ARE THEIR FANS ON THAT NORTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING? CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO ANY ADDITIONAL NOISE THAT MAY BE CREATED FOR NEIGHBORS? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION , SIR. THE ARCHITECT WHO DESIGNED THE BUILDING CAN ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. UM GET 11 OF THE I KNOW THIS WILL BE COVERED IN THE PLANNING TESTIMONY AS WELL. BUT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO VARIANTS FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE. LIKE HOW HOW WAS IT DETERMINED LIKE THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE FLORA COVERAGE FOR THIS. THIS THIS ITEM, IT'S 1.02 TIMES THE TOTAL COVERAGE. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT. UM. WHEN DESIGNING THE SITE FROM A CIVIL ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AGAIN, WE NOTICED THAT THE FOCUS. THE POTENTIAL PRESSURE POINT WOULD BE THROUGH THE RESIDENTS TO THE EAST OF US. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SURVEY TODAY IF YOU GO ON THE SITE TODAY THAT FIRST DRIVEWAY THAT WE'RE CLOSING IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY. THE PAVEMENT AND THE ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE FORMER OFFICE BUILDING RIGHT ON THE TOP. SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THE SITE PLAN AND THE PROGRAM FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT, IT WAS GO INSIDE OF A LARGER BUILDING INSTEAD OF PUTTING A LARGE PARKING LOT BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, EVEN IN LOOKING AT THE HC ZONE, AND THE PERMITTED USES THAT ARE ALLOWED THERE AS YOU SAW AN EXHIBIT A ONE THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR ON TWO OF SIX IS ALL PERMITTED USES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A NICE, ROBUST RETAIL COMMERCIAL QUARTER. WE KNEW THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COME HERE WOULD HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS. YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO ROCKY HILL MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY. THOSE TYPE OF USES HAVE THOSE OUTSIDE NUISANCES. SO WE THOUGHT FROM A PLANNING AND ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO PUT THOSE FEATURES INSIDE OF A BUILDING? THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE OVERALL JUST DEVELOPMENT. BUT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU THE REASON IT IS PROPOSED THE WAY THAT IT IS SO THAT THE ACTIVITY IS INSIDE. TOLD THE DEVELOPMENT OFF OF THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE TODAY AND TAKE THOSE 100 PLUS BASED PARKING SPACES THAT ARE OUTSIDE TODAY, AND INSTEAD OF LETTING IT AROUND THE PROPERTY, MOVING IT INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. OVERALL SELF STORAGE, IN OUR OPINION IN REVIEWING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE MASTER PLAN, ALTHOUGH NOT CONTEMPLATED. IS A LESS IMPACTFUL USE THAT A LOT OF SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF THUNDER FOR MY COLLEAGUE IN THE BACK RIGHT NOW, BUT IN DEVELOPING THE CYCLONE, IT WAS GET SOME GREEN SPACE AROUND THE PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT THERE TODAY. BRING A USE ON SITE THAT HAS INCREDIBLY LOW WATER DEMAND. INCREDIBLY LOW SANITARY SEWER DEMAND AND A VERY, VERY LOW TRAFFIC DEMAND, WHICH I'M ALSO TAKING SOME TESTIMONY FROM MY TRAFFIC COLLEAGUE. THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU BETTER. THE THOUGHT. BETTER ARGUMENT IF YOU DIDN'T NEED THE HEIGHT VARIANTS, AND YOU DIDN'T NEED THE F A R VARIANTS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE MAKING. THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE MAKING IS JUST UNUSED. UM I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

WOULD IT BE LESS IMPACTFUL TO HAVE THE ONE STORY BUILDING CLOSER TO THE ROCKY HILL LINE THAN THE THREE STORY BUILDING? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE VIEW FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. I WOULD THINK THAT THE LOWER BUILDING WOULD BE CLOSER TO THEM. THIS IN CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THAT. IT'S A GOOD CONSIDERATION. WE PARTICULARLY PUT THAT LOWER BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE OF UNITS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THAT'S WHY WE DID NOT WANT THAT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. IF THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT'S THE HEIGHT. THAT IS THE CONCERN.

THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO CONSIDER. BUT IT WAS OUR PRESENTATION SO FAR THAT I'D RATHER THAT WE THOUGHT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE BETTER SUITED WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND THEN A NICE BRICK FACADE THAN ACTUALLY BUILDING THAT HAS DRIVE UP UNITS AND BAY DOORS

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CHAIRMAN I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION I JUST WANT TO. IT'S A QUESTION OF CONFIRMATION WITH REGARD TO THE PIG. CAN YOU HIT THAT MICROSCOPES AND MICROPHONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, THE PIPING THE MONITORING, PIPING AND WELLS. I SEE. FROM. WHERE THEIR STATION IS ON. SHEET NUMBER FOUR. I SEE A FEW DOTTED LINES THAT GO DIRECTLY SOUTH. BUT DO NOT ACTUALLY. GO INTO THE BUILDING AND THEN SET OF LINES THAT GOES TO THE WEST. AND THEN DOWN IN THE PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN THEY STOPPED. THERE IS THAT THE EXTENT OF THEIR PIPING AND WELLS. SO THE PIPING THAT YOU SEE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE NUMBERS YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT IS THE ONGOING REMEDIATION OTHER WELLS ON THE PROPERTY TO MONITOR THE EXTENTS OF THE PLUME TO SEE IF IT'S GETTING BETTER OR WORSE.

AND IN RESPONSE TO MY COLLEAGUE OVER HERE. THOSE LOCATIONS IMPACTED. THIS LAYOUT AFFECTED PROPOSED LAYOUT. IS THAT CORRECTLY WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MODIFY THE PIPING THAT IS ON SITE, SO OUR BUILDING AND LAYOUT HAD TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THE OVERALL PROPERTY. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. THANK YOU. GREAT, UM TO THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JOE? GO AHEAD. WE HAD GRABBED THE MICROPHONE. THANKS. IT'S NOT ON. I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

NO IT'S JUST FISHING, AIR TRAFFIC. IT RIGHT. JOE FISHER NEAR THE BOARDS TRAFFIC ENGINEERING EXPERT. YOU HAVE PASSED THAT ONE DOWN. AND JOSH, I'LL APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING AROUND. UM FIRST AND I'M JUST GOING IN THE ORDER THAT I HAVE MY NOTES. YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT NO VEHICLES ARE STORED ON SITE IS THAT INCLUDE THE ROLL UP DOORS ON THE WESTERN BUILDING. WHERE WILL THEY BE ABOUT? ARE THEY ON A CONCRETE SLAB? CAN SOMEONE STORE A CAR IN THOSE ROLL UP DOORS? GOOD QUESTION. YOU CAN STORE A CAR AND SOME OF THE UNITS IN THE ROLL UP DOORS. SO THERE COULD BE VEHICLES STORED ON SITE JUST NOT OUTSIDE. IS THAT CORRECT? CLARIFY MY TESTIMONY. THERE WILL BE NO STORED VEHICLES IN THE OPEN AIR PAVEMENT AREAS, BUT THERE MAY BE VEHICLES INSIDE OF SOME OF THESE STORAGE UNITS IN THE BUILDING. OKAY BUT ONLY IN THE ONE STORY BUILDING CORRECT. CORRECT. NOW AND THEN THE ROLL UP DOORS ARE THEY CONTROLLED BY A KEY FOB AS WELL AND TIME RESTRICTED, OR THEY TRADITIONAL PADLOCK THAT WOULD BE A TRADITIONAL PADLOCK. SO ACCESS IN MY CORRECT THAT ACCESS TO THE ROLL UP DOORS WOULD BE 24 HOURS A DAY OR IS THERE SOME SYSTEM PREVENTING OVERNIGHT ACCESS TO THOSE DOORS? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT WILL BE IN THE LEASE OF THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT SAYS SHOULD YOU USE ANYTHING AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, YOU COULD LOSE YOUR RIGHTS TO THAT LOCKER AND THAT UNIT OKAY, BUT IT IS. IT'S A TRADITIONAL LOCK FOR THOSE UP FRONT DRIVE THROUGH UNITS. YES THE REST OF THE UNITS WILL BE KEY FOB OPERATED. OKAY, UM I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT THERE WAS A WESTERN DRIVEWAY IS A FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY. THAT IS CORRECT. CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK? AND IT WAS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE SITE PLAN. THERE'S A NO LEFT TURN OUT RESTRICTION ON THAT DRIVEWAY. AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? MY APOLOGIES FOR LET ME CLARIFY FULL MOVEMENT, AS IN THE OTHER DRIVEWAY TO THE EAST IS AN EXIT ONLY DROPPED LIKE ONE WAY FULL MOVEMENT AS AND YOU CAN GO IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU ARE CORRECT. AND IN WORKING WITH, UM SOMERSET COUNTY . THEY RESTRICTED THE LEFT OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY. SO AND I'M SURE FOR MOVEMENT AS IN AS IN TWO WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. SO AND I'M SURE YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL COVER THIS IN DETAIL SO BUT IF ANYONE FROM THE SITE WANTS TO MAKE A LEFT OUT AND GO TOWARDS ROCKY HILL, THEY WOULD NEED MY CORRECT THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DRIVE THROUGH THE BUILDING TO DO SO. OR THEY

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WAIT A MINUTE. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE TWO WAY DRIVEWAY AND THE ONE WAY DRIVEWAY? CORRECT. ISN'T LEFT. ISN'T THE PROHIBITION APPLIED TO BOTH DRIVEWAYS? AND I'LL TRIPLE CHECK THE COUNTY REVIEW LETTER. BUT THERE IS NOT A RESTRICTION. ON THE EXIT DRIVEWAY. THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY CLOSER TOWARDS THE PROPERTY LINE. GOOD, CORRECT. THE ACCORDING FROM MY READING OF THE SITE PLANS. MR SEEWALD IS CORRECT THAT THE LEFT TURN OUT RESTRICTION IS ONLY ON THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY. WHY WOULD THE COUNTY DO THAT? THIS IS WHAT THIS WOULD BE THE ONE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE LIGHT. IT WOULD AND TYPICALLY, THE CAN'T AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY. BUT TYPICALLY, THE COUNTY DOESN'T LIKE TO HAVE LEFT TURNS ACROSS A STRIPED CORE.

THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD ALLOW IT AT ONE INSTEAD OF THE OTHER. BUT I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T KNOW.

STATE WITH THE COUNTY WOULD BE DOING I JUST QUESTION WOULD WE BE ABLE TO IMPOSE THAT AS A CONDITION OF USE OF IF THERE IS THAT, NOT OUR JURISDICTION. THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. OKAY, UM I WOULD LIKE AT SOME POINT TO SEE. UH HOW THAT LEFT TURN CURRENTLY WOULD OCCUR BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION THAT IT'S SEEMS THAT THERE'S ALSO A LEFT TURN LANE TO GO INTO THE BANK OF AMERICA. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A GRAPHIC, UH, REPRESENTATION OF HOW THAT OCCURRED. IF IT'S A LEFT TURN IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED. IS THERE? ONE NOT ANALYZED THE BANK OF AMERICA PROPERTY. AND JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, UM YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. TESTIMONY WAS ACCURATE, THAT REASON THAT YOUR QUESTION, SOLICITOR. BUT WHY THEY'RE LEFT OUT IS ALLOWED ON THAT PERFECT EXIT DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE IT'S NOT LOCATED WITHIN THAT. WHY DIDN'T HATCH AREA CAN WE? CAN WE? CAN YOU CHECK WITH THE COUNTY? UM AND MAKE SURE THAT THE INTENTION OF THEIR LETTER WAS IS FULLY UNDERSTOOD.

AND PARTICULARLY IN IN CONTEXT TO THE LEFT TURN. OF THE SECOND DRIVEWAY. SURE I CAN CONTACT THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND FIND OUT WHAT FRIENDS ACTUALLY. UM JOSH, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING AROUND. UM JUST TO CLARIFY THERE YOU ARE NOT PROPOSING AND E V CHARGING STATION ON THE SITE PLAN. AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE JUST IDENTIFYING A MAKE READY SPACE IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE E V SYMBOL ON YOUR SITE PLAN AND WHAT I'M GUESSING IS A SIGN FOR THAT SPOT. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS NEXT TO THE 88 SPACE. SO IF YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING THE ACTUAL E V SPACE, WILL THEY WELL, THAT'S THE STRIPING AND SIGNING ASSOCIATED THAT WITH THAT BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE PLAN. I BELIEVE THAT REASON IT'S SHOWN THE WAY THAT IT IS TO SHOW THAT WE COMPLY WITH THAT. WE HAVE TO HAVE MAKE READY SPACE. IF YOU'RE SAYING ARE YOU GONNA ARE WE GOING TO INSTALL THE STRIPING WITHOUT THE CHARGER? NO, WE WOULD NOT DO THAT. THE PURPOSE OF IT ON THE CYCLONE. MR. SHOW THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE STATUE. WAS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT FROM THIS AND I KNOW IT'S A SMALL DETAIL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET ALL THE WAY INTO RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE OR APPROVAL AND FIND OUT THAT THERE'S STRIPING AND A SIGN ON THE PLAN. AND THE CONTRACTOR PUT IT UP, AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE UNDERSTOOD. UM. SO DO YOU. AND IF YOU NEED TO DEFER THIS TO QUARRY I UNDERSTAND UM, IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR VEHICLES TO BE STAGED ON SITE PRIOR TO 6 A.M. IF THE DOOR DOESN'T OPEN, THEY'LL 6 A.M.

COULD THERE BE VEHICLES SIT EITHER IDLING OR PARKED ON SITE WAITING FOR THAT DOOR TO OPEN? SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A SECOND QUESTION. I CAN ANSWER THAT. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE DON'T WANT TO DO A GATE IS IN CASE OF SOMEONE. COMING A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. NOW AGAIN, EVERY TENANT THAT WE RECEIVE IS GOING TO BE MADE AWARE OF THE 6 A.M. TO 10 P.M. RESTRICTION, BUT SHOULD SOMEONE COME? THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FREE FLOW THROUGH THE ENTRANCE, DRIVEWAY AND PARKING,

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AND THAT APPLIES TO THE EXIT DOOR AS WELL THAT THAT IS CORRECT. TO SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO PULL UP TO THE DOOR SWIPE THEIR KEY FOB. WAIT FOR THE DOOR TO OPEN, PULL IN OR PULL OUT. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, THE PEDESTRIAN SKETCH THAT YOU SHOWED INVOLVED A STAIRCASE.

WOULD AND IT'S ALMOST A REDUNDANT QUESTION. BUT WOULD THAT BE 88 COMPLIANT? HOW WOULD HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE AN 80 A ACCESSIBLE ROUTE BETWEEN THE SITES. I DON'T BELIEVE IN STAIRWELL BETWEEN BOTH SIDES ARE REQUIRED ARE 80 A RAT WILL BE FROM THE FRONT OFFICE OF THE

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AND THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE CAPACITY AND THE POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION BECAUSE

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ONE OF THEM IS STORM DRAINAGE, WHICH IN THIS CASE IT'S NOT JUST TAKING THE WATER OFF YOUR SITE.

IT'S WHERE IT'S GOING. SO I LEAVE THAT TO YOUR ATTORNEY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE THAT WITH ME, BUT IT'S SINCE THE TWO ATTORNEYS DURING THE ROOM. MAYBE THEY CAN COME TO SOME AGREEMENT AND THEN IT WON'T BECOME A BIG ISSUE SO ABSOLUTELY WELL AGREE JUST TO FURTHER CLARIFY THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH TRAINING BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY ON SITE IS THE EXISTING RUNOFF IS JUST GOING OVER LAND RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, SO THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S A NEGATIVE. WHAT WE'RE DOING FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT IS A POSITIVE. SO WE'RE CASH IS SAYING HEY, AND THE POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION WE'RE GOING TO NOW, PIPER. WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT TO A PIPE, WHICH IS GENERALLY GOOD ENGINEERING PRACTICE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WORST CASE YOU WOULD JUST GO OVER LAND, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PROPOSE THAT RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND, BUT TAKE AGAIN REDUCING THE WATER GOING OFF YOUR PROPERTY. OKAY, GREAT. BUT MAKING SURE THAT ONCE YOU GET IT OFF THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT CREATING A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBOR. THAT'S WHEN I BELIEVE THE BOARD ALSO HAS AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK AT EITHER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH CONSENT OR NOT, MAYBE THE WAY THAT YOU PROPOSED, BUT IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER IF IT'S BY CONSENT. THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING THE TWO ATTORNEYS TALK. NOTED. THANK YOU. 11 LAST THING, UH, REGARDING THE WALKWAY TO THE TO THE REAR. I UNDERSTAND THE STEPS. UM IT MAY BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR YOUR CLIENT TO PUT PERHAPS LOOK AT A SIDEWALK. THAT. THAT GOES INTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY FROM A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. MM EAST BECAUSE THAT GRADE IS A LOT MORE FAVORABLE. SO YOU YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO CONSTRUCT THESE REALLY EXPENSIVE STEPS. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IT COULD ALSO BE A D. A COMPLIANT, PERHAPS SO IT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM AGAIN. WE'RE I KNOW IT'S AN IDEA. A D A AH, COMPLIANCE ISN'T ISN'T REQUIRED BACK. IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE REQUIRED BACK THERE. BUT IF WE CAN PROVIDE, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO PROVIDE IT. WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT. WE'LL HAVE TO SPEAK TO OUR NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THE EVEN IF WE MOVE IT TO THE EAST, RIGHT? RAKESH WOULD BE GOING OVER. UM OPEN SPACE AND GRASS, SO WE HAVE TO INSTALL MORE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE A TRADE OFF THAT COULD ME FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL AND COMPLAINT.

PERHAPS AGAIN. I'M GOING WITH MY DESIGNING BY I RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN WE CAN WORK THAT OUT. WE CAN CERTAINLY WANT YOU TO JUST SORT OF CLOSE IT OFF. THAT'S ALL. AND JUST ONE OTHER THING, JUST

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THANK YOU. JAMES. LET'S THANK YOU, UM, SO YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, YOU HAD REFERRED TO THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN CUSTOMERS AND THE OWNER. IF I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT BUSINESS OPERATION, OR YOU'RE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR ME TO ASK, OR WILL IT BE A DIFFERENT WITNESS LATER ON WHO WILL DISCUSS BUSINESS OPERATIONS? UM RELATED TO THE USE OF THE SITE ONCE IT'S BUILT IF IT'S BUILT AND IT'S I'M NOT TRYING TO TRIP YOU UP. I'M JUST I DON'T WANT TO BUG YOU WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, POLICE AGREEMENT OR CERTAIN THINGS THAT CAN BE STORED OR HOW A STORAGE USE OPERATES. IF YOU'RE NOT THE PERSON TO ASK, BUT IF YOU ARE, THEN I HAVE QUESTIONS. I WOULD ASK. WE DON'T HAVE AN OPERATOR. MY FIRM HAS DONE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES. I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY OPERATE. IF IT'S VERY, VERY INTIMATE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS. IF YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T ANSWER HIM. HE'LL SAVE YOU GOTTA BRING SOMEBODY. OKAY? GREAT. UM SO YOU DID ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I DID HAVE ALREADY SO I WON'T DIG INTO THOSE. UM, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR AN EVENTUAL TENANT? IF SOMEBODY'S USING THIS TO UTILIZE ONE OF THE GARAGES FOR PRODUCT STORAGE RIGHT FOR A BUSINESS, SO THINK ABOUT, UM, LIKE AN ONLINE SALES BUSINESS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S PROHIBITED? HOW DOES THAT IS PROHIBITED IN THE LEAST IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT? OKAY GREAT AND FOR ANY KIND OF NOXIOUS MATERIALS, SOMETHING THAT CAN ROT SMELL BAD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS THAT ALSO COVERED IN THE PROHIBITED IN THE LEAST. UM AND I IMAGINE THAT APPLIES TO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OF ANY ABSOLUTELY OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. UM. THAT ACTUALLY COVERS MOST OF MY OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS . OKAY? AND THEN, UM. TWO THINGS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT I HAD OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ABOUT WERE RELATED TO SIGNAGE AND SIGN HEIGHTS. WHY DIDN'T SEE THOSE DETAILS ON THE PLAN? INITIALLY UM DO YOU KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE FREESTANDING SIGN OFF HAND? AND BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT DETAILS ON THE ORIGINAL ITERATION OF THE PLAN. I BELIEVE IT'S 8 FT. IT WAS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE I'D SIGN LOCATED AT THE DRIVEWAY ON 518.

OKAY AND THEN, UM DO YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE FROM THE GROUND TO THE EVENTUAL. THE FACADE SIGN, AND THAT'S AN ARCHITECTURE QUESTIONS. JUST LET ME KNOW. I'LL DEFER TO THE ARCHITECTS ELEVATIONS ON THE I'D SIGN ON THE BUILDING. GREAT THOSE OVER ALL MY QUESTIONS FOLLOW UP. IF THE LEASE SAYS YOU CAN'T STORE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN A STORAGE UNIT. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU PUT A MOTOR VEHICLE INTO THE STORAGE UNIT? YOU MAKE THEM TAKE THE GAS OUT OF THE TANK AND THE OIL OUT OF THE ENGINE. I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ANSWER. GOOD. OKAY, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION. YEAH I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, IN THE. MICHAEL SULLIVAN MEMO AND JAMES JAMES. SEE UM NOVEMBER 22ND 23 ON PAGE. 23. THERE'S A PICTURE THERE OF AN EXISTING MONITORING WELL, AND, UM, IS THAT A MONITORING WELL IN THAT PICTURE THAT IS ONE OF ONE OF THE THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE PROPERTY. THAT IS ONE OF THEM. YES. OKAY, UM SO WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE. UM THAT STICKS OUT OF THE GROUND QUITE A BIT. WHAT KINDS OF PROTECTIONS WILL BE PUT IN PLACE THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THESE THESE WELLS ARE NOT DISTURBED OR ATTRACT US. IN FACT, TRUCK DOESN'T BACK UP INTO AIR DURING CONSTRUCTION AND POST CONSTRUCTION AFTER THE FACILITIES OPERATING YEAH, I BELIEVE I TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT. UM WHEN RAKESH ASKED A SIMILAR QUESTION, THIS THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE LEFT IN PLACE. WE WILL PUT CONSTRUCTION FENCE AROUND IT, SO IT IS UNDISTURBED, RIGHT? THAT'S THEIR CONSTRUCTION AFTER THE FACILITIES IN OPERATION, HOW DO YOU PROTECT IT? IT WILL JUST REMAIN AS THIS SO THERE ARE SOME MONITORING WELLS THAT WILL BE UNDERNEATH THE PAVEMENT AND CONCRETE. THEY WILL HAVE METAL CAPS FLUSH THAT CREATE AREAS, RIGHT. SHE WANTS TO KNOW THE ONES THAT AREN'T UP. HOW DO YOU YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME KIND OF PROTECTION SO SOMEONE OUT OF MISCHIEF DOESN'T COME WITH A BAT AND LACKING OR IS A TRIP HAZARD OR EVEN THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING. WOULD THAT BE STURDY ENOUGH TO PREVENT A TRUCK FROM BACKING UP INTO IT? TOTALLY WIPING IT OUT SO THAT THE SITE TODAY IS OPERATED BY THE E P A. AND THERE ARE TRUCKS THAT HAVE TO COME ONTO THE SITE. AND DO TESTING IN EACH ONE OF

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RIGHT NOW, THEIR EXISTING TODAY AS THIS AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS, PROBABLY BECAUSE THE EPA IS ON SITE WORKING ON IT. AND EVEN DURING CONSTRUCTION, THEY'LL BE ON SITE AND POST THEM OPENING. THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE ON SET. SO SINCE EPA IS THE OPERATIVE AGENCY HERE , DO THEY HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF SECURING THESE? AH PIPES. THAT IS THE SECURITY PIPE . THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUIRED AND WHAT THEY INSTALLED BECAUSE SECURITY AROUND THE PIPE THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING DO NOT MAKE THEIR THEIR TRAILER HAS SECURITY AROUND IT, BUT THE ACTUAL MONITORING WELLS DO NOT. DOES YOUR TRAILER HAVE BOLLARD AROUND IT? IT DOES. UM, SIMILARLY TO THE QUESTION ABOUT CARS BEING STORED AT THE QUESTION WAS GAS OR OIL, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT OF ELECTRIC CARS AND THINGS LIKE E BIKES AND LITHIUM BATTERIES AND THE EXPLOSION. THAT KIND OF THING. IF YOU CAN CHECK ON THAT AS WELL, THAT CERTAINLY WILL. THANK YOU. AND ALSO IS, UH, AMMUNITION , PART OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. THAT YOU PREVENT STORAGE OF IT HAS A REGULATED HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. DO YOU KNOW IF THE LEAST PROHIBITS THE STORAGE OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION? I WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM OKAY. I THINK YOU KNOW OUR ATTENTION IS TOO CLOSE. UM THIS MEETING AT 10 O'CLOCK AS ALWAYS, UM. WE CAN EITHER GO TO THE NEXT WITNESS OR WE'RE TAKING MINOR BATHROOM BREAK IF WE NEED TO, UM, THAT YOUR QUALITY CALL YOU WANNA YOU WANNA CUT OFF? FOR THE FOR THE EVENING NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO GO TO YOUR NEXT WITNESS? YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER. HALF HOUR, BUT 25 MINUTES IF THERE'S A LITTLE BREAK FIVE MINUTES IS NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SOUNDS GREAT. YEP. GREAT. SO LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK. RIGHT? YEAH ALL RIGHT. I THINK, UM. FOR COMPLETING YOUR TESTIMONY. WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN, I GUESS TO THE ARCHITECT. UH IS THAT RIGHT? UM THE WE DO HAVE THIS, UM. THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TWO DAYS FROM NOW, ON THURSDAY, THE BOARD I'VE JUST PULLED THE BOARD. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE HAVING THIS, UH CONTINUE INTO THURSDAY, BUT I PULLED THE BOARD. WE'RE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION INTO THURSDAY. IF THAT'S AMENABLE TO YOU. UNFORTUNATELY ABOUT THREE OF OUR PROFESSIONALS HAVE CONFLICTS, WHETHER HEARINGS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO JUST JUST IN CASE WE HAD SENT OUT A 48 HOUR NOTICE FOR THE FOR THE MEETING. BUT WE DIDN'T. WE SAID THAT THERE WAS NO AGENDA SET YET, SO IT'S YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO CANCEL IT. BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD WEDNESDAY, NEXT POSSIBLE DATE FOR THEM BECAUSE STARTING NEXT MONTH THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE USING ITS TWO MONTHLY MEETINGS. ONE FOR HOMEOWNERS CASES AND EVERYONE ONE FOR THIS SO SHERRY, WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR THIS IN FEBRUARY? SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE ARCHITECT CENTER START HIS TESTIMONY, BUT AND WE'RE ALL ANNOUNCED IT AGAIN. BUT JUST HEARING IS GONNA BE CONTINUED WITH NO NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE TO FEBRUARY 22 THURSDAY. THE FIRST MEETING IS THE THURSDAY MADE IT TO HAVE THIS APPLICATION. HE'S GOING TO HAVE THE THURSDAY NIGHT MEETINGS AND THE HOMEOWNER APPLICATIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE THE TUESDAY NIGHT MEETING. FEBRUARY, 2222. AND THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORING. I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY. WE'RE GONNA MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER. ALRIGHT AND DISCUSS SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR ARCHITECT ON? YES, YES, SIR. LET'S GET INVOLVED TOWARD IN. SO, UM MR VANDAL IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD. CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF YOUR EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE AND PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE? YEP GRADUATED IN 1996 FROM BREWERY UNIVERSITY IN SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI, LICENSE ARCHITECT AND STATE OF NEW JERSEY TESTIFIED BEFORE 10 PLUS BOARDS IN NEW JERSEY MAJORITY OF THEM ON SELF STORAGE PROJECTS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING ARCHITECTS FOR 30 YEARS. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS OUT OF THIS WITNESS? MEMBERS OF NATIONS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. NO NO QUALIFICATIONS YOU ACCEPT

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UM IT IS 11 PAGE EXHIBIT. DO YOU WANT TO MARKET AS A FOUR? YEAH. LET'S MARK IT AS A FOUR AND AGAIN LET ME ASK WE HAVE A PAPER COPY OF THIS. WE DO. OKAY, SO LET'S GET THAT MARK IS A FOUR AND GET THAT OVER TO THE BOARD SECRETARY AND WHAT IS THIS? CAN WE THIS IS RENDERINGS. YES THIS IS ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, OKAY? AND THERE'S A DATE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF UH, JANUARY 23 2024 CORRECT. YES, SIR. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A SET OF ARCHITECTURAL PLANS ON FILE CORRECT. CORRECT. MR VANDALIZED? YES. IF YOU WOULD, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS. THIS RENDERING SET HERE. I'M REFERRING TO PAGE TWO OF EXHIBIT A FOR LET'S START HERE. YEAH SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON SCREEN HERE IS THERE ARE SEVEN RENDERINGS IN THIS PACKAGE THAT WILL PAGE THROUGH. THIS IS THE SHOT SHOWING THE LOCATIONS THAT SIX OF THEM WERE DONE JUST SO EVERYBODY IS KIND OF WORRYING THEMSELVES AROUND THE SITE WASHINGTON STREET ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THAT WILL BE VIEWED ONE THROUGH FOUR AND THEN YOU FIVE IS FROM THE KIND OF NORTHEAST CORNER LOOKING BACK AT THE BUILDING AND YOU SIXES FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER. WHAT THE SHOPPING SPREE REVIEW LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE ONE STORY BUILDING. YOU'RE MOVING ON TO PAGE THREE OF THIS EXHIBIT. THIS IS NUMBER ONE. THE WASHINGTON STREET VIEW LOOKING EAST. AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING. OBVIOUSLY LOOKING EAST . YOU'RE SEEING THE ONE STORY BUILDING THERE IN THE FOREGROUND OF THE BUILDING WITH THE ENTRANCE TO THE OFFICE ON THE THREE STORY BACK IN THE BACK, UM , YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE FRONT.

THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED TO BE A BRICK FACADE, BRICK AND CONCRETE BLOCK UNIT FACADE. GLAZING IS FOCUSED MAINLY TO WASHINGTON STREET, AND THEY ALSO WON THE CORNERS. UM OBVIOUSLY FROM A FROM A SELF STORAGE STANDPOINT, AND HAVING A LOT OF GLASS LOOKING IN THE UNITS IS NOT DESIRABLE. UM SO WHAT WE DO, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THESE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES IS TO GET GLASS AND GET INTEREST INTO THE CORNERS. WE PUT WHAT WE CALL DISPLAY WINDOWS. ESSENTIALLY IT'S A SMALL 3 FT. FOREFOOT LIKE CORRIDOR THAT HAS YOU CAN SEE DOORS FOR WHAT THE INSIDE IS STILL STORAGE UNIT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY DOORS. THEIR CABIN DISPLACES SOMEBODY GET GOTTEN DOWN THE OUTSIDE AND SEE WHAT THE INSIDE THE FACILITY WILL LOOK LIKE, UM THERE'S NOBODY IN THOSE SPACES. THE ONLY TIME ANYBODY GOES IN THERE, MAYBE THE DUST OR THE CHANGE OF LIGHT BULB. UM I LIKE DOGS WHO WOULD COME ON OR OFF BASED ON WHATEVER THE HOURS IN THE BUILDING WOULD BE. THE REMAINING PORTIONS BESIDE OR A MIX OF BRICK AND CONCRETE BLOCK UNITS.

TWO DIFFERENT COLORS OF BRICK. WE DID SOME WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE ACROSS THE FACE OF THE FACADE WHEN YOU GET THAT LIGHTER SECTIONS OF BRICK IT'S THE GENERATE INTEREST AND ALSO TO PROVIDE YOU KNOW WHERE WINDOWS COULD HAVE BEEN OR KIND OF MIMIC THAT SAME LOOK AS YOU GO ACROSS THE BUILDING. YEAH SO THIS IS JUST SLIGHTLY FARTHER TO THE EAST, LOOKING BACK TO MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE OFFICE AS YOU LOOK ACROSS THE BOMBING OF ASSAD THERE, YOU'RE SEEING SOME ADDITIONAL GLAZING, THERE WAS ADDED TO GENERATE A LITTLE MORE OF A RETAIL LOOK AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL ACROSS THE BOTTOM. UM THE TALL TREES YOU'RE SEEING THERE ON THE FOREGROUND.

THOSE ARE REPRESENTATIVE THE THREE TREES THAT WOULD BE SAVING UM, WE DID OUR BEST TO PULL THEM OFF GOOGLE EARTH, TRYING TO GET IN THE PROXIMATE HIGH PHONE AND TRIED TO MIRROR THOSE AS BEST WE COULD. BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE COULD GET. SO THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL VIEW. KIND OF SHOWING A LITTLE MORE OF THE SITE. SAME GENERAL LOCATION. YOU CAN SEE THE THREE TREES ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE THERE AND THEN THE EXIT THE ONE WAY EXIT OUT OF THE DRIVE. THRU LANE CAME BETWEEN THE TWO TREES ARE ON THE CURB CUT. THIS IS JUST MORE PRECISE SITE. THERE'S BEEN INSIDE ACCESS FOR HOW HOW IT ACTUALLY OPERATES. EACH SIDE. YEAH THIS WAS LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE MAIN BUILDING. UH YOU'RE SEEING THE OFFICER ON THE LEFT. WE MIMIC THE SAME LOOK ON THE RIGHT WITH ONE OF THOSE DISPLAY WINDOWS, AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME TREES. THE ONE THING I'LL NOTE THAT IS YOU CAN SEE PREVALENT IN THIS LOCATION IS THEIR RIGHT TO THE LEFT RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THE OFFICE KIND OF ON THE THIRD FLOOR BAND WHERE IT SAYS SELF STORAGE. THAT'S LOCATION OF PROPOSED SIGNAGE. UM THE INTENTION NOW IS WE PAINTED ON THE BUILDING TO LOOKS ALMOST

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THOSE ARE THE KIND OF INDUSTRIAL LOOKING ONES KNOW THAT I HAVE SEEN. YES, I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS SET OF IMAGES. YEAH. I TALK FAST, SO IF I COULD SLOW DOWN GREAT. I'M SORRY. GO. GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ANOTHER WORDS JUST FOR THE RECORD. THE BOARD PLANNERS REPORT IS DATED NOVEMBER 20 TO 2023. IN THAT REPORT. THEY LIST WHAT THEY REVIEWED. AND WHAT THEY REVIEWED. THE MATERIALS REVIEWED STARTS ON PAGE 32. AND IT GOES TO PAGE 33 AND ITEM 19.9 ARE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. SIX SHEETS DATED JUNE 29 2023. THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU REVIEWED, CORRECT. SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REVIEWED FOR MY REPORT. OKAY, OKAY. RIGHT, BUT SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OTHER THINGS, BUT THE BOARD HASN'T HEARD FROM YOU ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS YOU'VE SEEN CORRECT. YES THERE HAS NOT BEEN IN A NEWLY ISSUED REVIEW LETTER. THESE RENDERINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY. HAVE BEEN REVISED BASED ON COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNER. SO THEN I'M ASSUMING THERE WILL ISSUE A NEW REVIEW LETTER PRIOR TO THE NEXT HEARING. RICK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ALSO ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIR HAS ASKED ME ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ISSUE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ONE NOTE ON THIS AND THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED SHOULD REFLECT THIS AS WELL AS WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS KIND OF A GIVEN THE NATURE OF HIS KIND OF FORESIGHTED BUILDING TO APPOINT, SO WE MADE SURE WE TOOK THE SAME MATERIALS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING, AND WE RAN INTO SOME SELF STORAGE FACILITIES WHERE I HATE TO SAY IT'S LIKE THE BRICK AND SIDING ON THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE GET THE FRONT SIDE THAT LOOKS GOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU GO TO A DOWNGRADED MATERIAL. WE REALIZED THAT AND TOOK THE SAME TREATMENT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BOOK. WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE MATERIAL THAT IS HORIZONTAL. YEAH. WHAT? WHAT'S WHAT'S THAT MATERIAL BREAK? IT'S GREAT, AND I'D LOVE TO SAY THAT THE RENDERING ENGINES THAT WE USE RENDER IT PERFECTLY EXACTLY ON IT. BUT BECAUSE THE RED STUFF LOOKS LIKE BRICK IT'S A DEFINITE PATTERN BOARDS. IT'S NOT BAD FOR THE BRAIN. MOVING ON. THIS IS THE NORTH. SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE THIRD FLOOR OR THE VIRGIN THREE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS A CASHIER WAS THE SITE. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE BACK OF THE SITE. UM YOU'RE SEEING THE DRIVE INDOOR, UH, THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S THE DOOR THAT EVERYBODY WOULD COME AROUND AND PULL INTO IT. THE TRASH ENCLOSURE AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING THE ONE STORY BUILDING OFF ON THE RIGHT HAND. IF ONE OF THE I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE BOARD SECRETARY YOU. YOU DO IT NOW HAVE THIS DIGITALLY FROM THEIR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. SO THIS CAN ALL THESE EXHIBIT A ONE THROUGH A FOUR CAN BE PUT UP ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY? WE OFFERS FOR YOU. YES THIS IS A SIMILAR VIEW TO BELIEVE VERSION ONE OR TWO, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NOT LABELED ON THE FRONT SHEET. WE WANTED TO SHOW KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT WITH THE WITH THE LIGHTS LIT UP. UM SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE LOWER LEVEL THERE AT THE CORNER OF THE OFFICE AND THEN THE DISPLAY WINDOWS ABOVE AND THEN THE LARGE GLASS AREA THERE IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING IS THE ENTRANCE OR THE EXIT RATHER TO THE DRIVE THROUGH. YEP SO THIS SHOWS THE

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I JUST. SORRY ONE QUICK QUESTION. IF IN THE IF YOU GO TO THIS FIRST SLIDE, MAYBE I WAS CONFUSED, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A GARAGE OPENING. THANK TOWARDS THE SECOND PRETTY THE SECOND SIDE, BUT. WHERE THE RIGHT ISN'T THERE SUPPOSED TO BE AN OPENING THEIR 100% YES, I'D HAVE TO LOOK, THERE SHOULD BE NO, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH IF YOU GO DOWN, THAT SHOULD BE A GARAGE, RIGHT? YES. IT SHOULD BE A GARAGE. THERE'S A CONTINUOUS WALL, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S A BREAK. I'LL CHECK WITH MY RENDER PEOPLE IN THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GRADUATE. IF YOU GO TO THE NIGHT VIEW, YOU CAN SEE IT AND IT SHOULD BE OFF THE SAME. THERE SHOULD BE THE SAME MURDERING, BUT BEST BET RIGHT? THERE IS THE GARAGE, BUT THERE'S NOT A CUT OUT. UH, AND EITHER JUST THE PERSON OUT THE DOOR. THE BOARD SHOWING THE ACCURATE REPRESENTATION. WE ALSO SEE THE ONE STORY BUILDING WITH THE GARAGE DOOR. LOCK IT. THERE'S A RENDERING THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

CORRECT THIS IS THE THIS IS IN THE SUBMITTED THE BOARD ALREADY. THIS IS ROAD JUST REORIENT EVERYBODY. THIS IS ROTATED 90 DEGREES, SO THAT FIT ON. PUT IT ON THE SHEET BETTER, UM, SO NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THE THREE STORY BUILDING INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.

THIS SHOWS THE WHICH UNITS ARE THE ROLLUP UNITS, SO EVERYTHING IS KIND OF ACROSS WHAT WOULD BE THE PAGE SOUTH. IT'S ALL ROW PEANUTS. THEN YOU CAN SEE THE TWO ACCESS DOORS WITH THE CORRIDORS TO GET IN TO GET TO THE ADDITIONAL UNITS IN THE BACK . UM, AS WAS QUESTIONED BEFORE THIS IS ALSO FULLY CLIMATE CONTROL. UM, IT IS FULLY SPRINKLED. SPRINKLERS V PER BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO IT BE WHAT SPRINKLERS IN THE MAIN BUILDING AND THEN DRY SPRINKLERS IN THE COUNTER ROLE OF DOOR AREAS SO WE WON'T HAVE A FREEZE FREEZE POTENTIAL IN THIS BILL. UM THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE MAIN BUILDING AND I'LL TRY TO KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME WHERE CIVIL ENGINEER WAS UP HERE. UM SO THE REORIENT EVERYBODY, THE LOWER LEFT CORNER IS THE OFFICE SO THIS IS ROTATED CORRECTLY TO ALIGN WITH THE CIVIL SITE PLAN. UM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT BIG WHITE AREA RIGHT IN THE CENTER AND SAYS, DRIVE THRU FAST. THE DRIVE THRU AREA THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY COME IN THE TOP OF THE PAGE THROUGH THOSE DOORS. THEY HIT THEIR KEY FOB. THEY HIT THE KEYPAD. THE DOOR OPENS, THEY PULL IN THE DOOR CLOSES BEHIND HIM. HOW LONG IT'S OPEN. IT'S WE HAVE ONE OF THESE, MY WIFE AND I DO AND IT'S SIMILAR. I MEAN, EUROPAN 1012 SECONDS IS YOU CAN'T COME IN AND OUT OF THE DOOR. UM THEN, AS YOU CAN PARK IN THAT DRIVE THROUGH LANE, THERE'S TWO ELEVATOR LOCATIONS RIGHT AROUND IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING. UM ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THAT, AND THEN YOU CAN PARK UP AND DOWN THAT DRIVE THRU LANES. TYPICALLY, IT'LL BE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. IT'S WHERE PEOPLE PARK MOST PEOPLE, THEY DON'T HAVE A UNIT RIGHT THERE OFF THE AFTER THE UNITS RIGHT THERE OFF THE DRIVE THROUGH. THEY'RE GONNA GET AS CLOSE THAT LOBBY AS THEY CAN SO THEY CAN ACCESS THE OLDER UM, THERE ARE TWO STAIRS ONE IN THE MIDDLE WALL ON THE WEST AND CAUGHT ONE JUST SOUTH ON THE SOUTH WALL, JUST OFF OF MIDDLE.

UM I HAVE NOT YET SEEN THE FIRE COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE PLACE THOSE BASED ON WHERE WE NEED TO FOR BUILDING CODE AND ACCESS, OR WE MAY BE ADJUSTING LOCATIONS OF THOSE. UM BUT WE'LL NEED TO ADJUST THAT ONE FIRE WHEN WE LOOK AT THEIR COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE ACCESS STAIRS ARE FROM THE UPSTAIRS. UM THOSE DOORS ARE ALARMS. IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY CAN PROBLEM OPENING COME IN AND OUT. SO IT'S THEIR SECURITY FEATURES ON THOSE UM, WHEN SOMEBODY LEAVES THE DRIVE THRU THEY'LL PULL DOWN. SOMETIMES WILL BE A KEY PAD TO GET OUT CAN TRACK WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT SO SOMETIMES THEY JUST OPENED. BUT USUALLY IT'S A KEYPAD. THE DOOR WILL OPEN THEY CAN DRIVE OUT IN THE DOOR CLOSES BEHIND THEM AS THEY LEAVE AGAIN. THERE'S A TRACKING MECHANISMS WHO'S IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING AND WHEN THEY'VE SHOWN AT THEM WHEN THEY HAD UM FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, THERE'S SECURITY ALL THE EXTRA DOORS, SO THOSE TWO FIRE DOORS TO DRIVE INDOORS AND THE OFFICE DOOR SECURITY OFFICE AND SECURITY AT THE ELEVATOR

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UM THIRD FLOOR IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING AS WHAT'S ON THE LOWER FLOOR. SO THAT'S KIND OF PLANS. KIND OF. IN A NUTSHELL. I THINK I HIT MOST OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT YEAH, I'M SURE THEY'LL BE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR BED WITH US. YEP SO, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE THE ELEVATIONS. THIS IS WHAT THE RENDERINGS WERE GENERATED OFF OF, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE OBVIOUSLY IS WORTH GLASS WOULD BE AND THEN THE THREE TAN COLORS OR WHERE THE BROOK PANELS AND MAJOR RE ACTUALLY EXIST SO AND THAT'S THE BACKSIDE. AN ELEVATION ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, BUT WE'LL HAVE A RENDERING OF THAT THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATIONS THE NEXT. CHAIR. I. NO, WE'RE RUNNING UP ON IT. HAVE ALL OF OUR WITNESSES BACK AT THE NEXT HEARING, BE PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC. I THINK THAT'S PERFECT. UM YOU EVERYONE WILL BE BACK. YOU'LL YOU'LL BE BACK AS WELL FOR THE NEXT ONE BREAK RIGHT NOW. THE TIME FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE THIS EXPIRES MARCH 31. I WANT TO GET AN EXTENSION TO APRIL 30TH. ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS SIGN THIS GREAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM FOR EVERYONE COMING OUT TONIGHT. UM AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION ON ON FEBRUARY 22ND. DID YOU HAVE. APPROVAL OF THE

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ISSUES I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY WELL. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER DONE. THAT IS A TOWN SO I MEAN, IT IS A THURSDAY AFTERNOON OR THURSDAY EVENING THAT WE'D BE TAKING, BUT NOTHING IS SCHEDULED, SO IT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO IT. UM WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM TO MEET, BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE HERE. SO DO THIS. LET'S MAKE SURE THAT ALBANY NEW BOARD MEMBER MINIMUM YEAH. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FIND VALUABLE? I FIND IT VALUABLE, SO I THIS THURSDAY.

YEAH SO, UM, WE CAN'T DO THAT. BASICALLY. HUNT FOR A SECOND. THE OPEN NOTICE WE DID IT SAY IN PERSON. WE DON'T DO VIRTUAL ANYMORE. YOU CAN'T EVEN FOR AN EXECUTIVE AGAIN. THAT'S FINE.

PUT IT THIS WAY. IT WOULD BE A CLOSED SESSION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE GIVING LEGAL ADVICE. I DID NOT. I KNOW, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND, BUT UNDER THE MAYA, CAN EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IF YOU WANT TO TALK, AND YOU GO OUT IN THE HALLWAY THANK YOU. OKAY, IN MY OPINION. IF THERE WAS A HEARING, RIGHT WHERE YOU HAD TO SEE IN HERE TO BE A PROBLEM. THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER . IT'S A CLOSED SESSION. I BELIEVE AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOMEONE. HERE. THAT. YOU CAN PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY. I MEAN, IF YOU DID, YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO A CONFERENCE CALL.

YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO DO ZOOM, BUT YOU COULD DO ZOOM IF IT'S JUST GOING TO BE FOR PURPOSES OF A CLOSED SECTION FOR TRAINING. UH, NOBODY EVEN HAVE TESTED THIS YEAR. IT'S AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YOU'RE NOT HAVING A PUBLIC CORRECT. WE HAVE TO JUST POST SOMETHING ON THE

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OPEN AND THEN GO INTO CLOSE ACTION AND THEN OPEN AGAIN TRYING TO THINK OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK. HERE'S THE REALLY WE WOULD NEED SOME ONE PERSON HERE TO DO THAT. BUT I COULD BE HERE.

OKAY WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS WE WOULD HAVE TO GUESS. OPEN THE MEETING HERE AND THEN WHOEVER SKIER WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO ROOM ONE. SO THAT'S FINE. I HAVE PROBABLY SET UP THE AL AND I COULD DO ZOOM IN THE OTHER GREAT IDEA BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN I WAS FIRST HIRED, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

BUT WE WERE ALL HERE AND THEN WE WENT AND WE WENT IN THERE. YEAH. RIGHT? OKAY GREAT. SO WE'LL HAVE IT VIA VIA THIS SESSION VIA ZOOM. I'LL BE HERE. I CAN DO IT. EITHER GREAT PERFECT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT, AND I APPRECIATE IT. UM. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU.

ASK SHERRY TO DO THE FOLLOWING. SEND OUT MY CRIB SHEETS TO EVERYBODY. AND IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME AN EMAIL TOMORROW, REMINDING ME I'LL SEND YOU ALL THE CRIB SHEETS. AND I WANT TO SEND MY ARTICLE OUT THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE NEW JERSEY PLANNER ABOUT NOT USING SOCIAL MEDIA AS A BOARD MEMBER. DURING A HEARING. OR EVEN PREPARING FOR A HEARING. SO I WANT TO SEND THAT OUT, TOO, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE TALKING. AT MINIMUM. I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CONFLICTS. I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE STUFF THAT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT. IF THE PUBLIC'S HERE BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXERCISE MY DUTY AS AN ATTORNEY UNLESS WE WERE IN CLOSED SESSION. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE READING MATERIALS, AND THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC. THEY'LL KNOW YOU KNOW. WHAT WILL BE READING AND ALL THAT STUFF IS AVAILABLE ON MY WEBSITE. MANY EVENTS, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF MY LEGAL ADVICE. SEND THEM OUT. TOMORROW AFTERNOON. GREAT GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES THE FUTURE MEETINGS IN JANUARY 25TH THAT MEETING. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FEBRUARY 22ND FOR THIS MEETING, AND THEN ANY FOR ANY HOMEOWNER OR ANYTHING. WE'LL HAVE RESERVED THE 20TH FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING. CAN I GET A MOTION AND THE DRAWING SEVEN PM? UM YEAH. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? WALMART OZAKI WE ARE A GEORGE THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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