Jan 08, 2024 Planning

[I. ROLL CALL]

[III. REORGANIZATION]

[IV. APPOINTMENT OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES UNDER THE “LOCAL UNIT PAY-TOPLAY LAW”]

[VI. RESOLUTION]

[VII. APPLICATION]

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THE NAMES OF THE OFFICES OF KAREN CASEY IS PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY CLARK KEETON HINTS SAYS PLANNING BOARD PLANNER BRIGHT VIEW ENGINEERING IS PLANNING BOARD TRAFFIC ENGINEER RICHARD BARCELONA AS PLANNING BOARD LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES INC AS PLANNING BOARD ENGINEER. AND THIS CONTRACT IS AWARDED FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR FOR THE AMOUNTS THAT FOURTH AND WITHOUT COMPETITIVE BIDDING AS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THESE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND FILED WITH MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP HAVE COMPLETED AND FILED WITH THE TOWNSHIP. A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AFFIDAVIT AS REQUIRED BY N. J S A. 19 COLON 40 FOR A DASH 20.2 CERTIFYING THEY HAVE NOT MADE ANY PROHIBITED CONTRIBUTIONS TO A CANDIDATE COMMITTEE OR MUNICIPAL COMMITTEE REPRESENTING THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE TOWN SHIFT. AND A COPY OF THIS RESIDENCE RESOLUTION, THE CERTIFICATIONS OF CONTRACT VALUE AND THE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AFFIDAVIT AND THE EXECUTED AGREEMENT SHALL BE PLACED ON FILE IN THE PLANNING OFFICE IN THE OFFICE OF THE PLANNING BOARD . A NOTICE OF THIS ACTION SHALL WE PUBLISHED ONCE IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER AS REQUIRED AND PERFORMANCE OF SUCH SERVICES UNDER THE TERMS OF THESE CONTRACTS AND PAYMENT FOR THE SERVICES? IS SUBJECT TO THE CERTIFICATION OF AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS BY THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. OKAY. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE. BATTLE. YES, BUDGET. JUST DO EMOTION,

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OKAY? NEXT IS A RESOLUTION. IT IS CASE PB DASH 3-23. THE APPLICANT IS HARLAND AND ASSOCIATES LLC. THIS IS BLACK 6000 WON LOTS 3334 34.01, 35, 35.1 AND 36 ON ROUTE 206. THIS IS PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING 32 STORY AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE MIXED HOUSING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH 18 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 36 3 BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT CLOCK. WE WILL STEP DOWN FROM THIS CASE. THANK YOU, TOO, BUT WELL, BUT THIS IS JUST A REALIZATION. MEMORIAL LISTS MEMORIAL IZATION. BUT YOU DON'T LIKE THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STEP DOWN VOTE. AND FOR THE APPLICANT. YEAH RICHARD SHOTS. 11 CHANGE. WE WOULD ASK. FOR THE DRAFT RESOLUTION. UM ON PAGE 11. H NINE H, IT SAYS PERMITS FROM U. S FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE.

THE U. S FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE DOESN'T GIVE A PERMIT. WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ADVISED THE AH, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION DO YOU RECALL? THAT'S WHEN WE CAN CUT THE TREES BECAUSE OF THE ENDANGERED SPECIES, AND SO THEREFORE OUR SUGGESTION IS TO DELETE H AND PUT ANOTHER CONDITION IN SAYING THAT APPLE WILL COMPLY WITH ANY AND ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE U. S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. OKAY VERY GOOD. DO WE HAVE A WELL WRITTEN RESOLUTION FOR USUAL. WHO WROTE IT. YOU KNOW, FLATTERY WILL GET ME NOWHERE. BUT OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MEMORIALIZED WITH THE CHANGES JUST STATED BY THE COUNCILOR MOTION TO MEMORIALIZE WITH THE CHANGES. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? YES YOU AND YOU WILL.

SECOND. IT. OKAY ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES, YES. YES THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY OUR NEXT ITEM IS AN APPLICATION. IT'S CASE PB DASH 7-23. THE APPLICANT IS MALVERN SCHOOL PROPERTIES LP PARTNERSHIP BLOCKED 28 010 LOT 57 AND 58 9 82 ROUTE 518. THIS IS FOR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN AND BOTH VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT AN 11,000. 332 SQUARE FOOT CHILDCARE CENTER WITH ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, WALKWAYS, DRIVEWAYS, PARKING AND OTHER SIDE AMENITIES. THE EXPIRATION DATE IS 1229 24 AND AFFIDAVIT, AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION REQUIRED AND PREVIOUSLY FOUND TO BE IN ORDER AND FOR THE APPLICANT CONTINUING . I GUESS YOUR PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME WE HAVE THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN ALREADY USE MY NAME IS, UH. THAT'S RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. GO AHEAD, FRANK. MR CHAIRMAN DETECTORS, SEAMAN'S WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, SIR. ONE SECOND. I'M SORRY. JUST YOU MENTIONED THE EXPIRATION DATE WAS 1229 24 TO 2924. I APOLOGIZE THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THANK YOU. MY MOUTH GOT AHEAD OF MY EYES. YEAH I THINK WE EXTENDED UNTIL JANUARY. UM. SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE HEARING THAT BEGAN ON DECEMBER 21. AT THAT TIME THE BOARD TOOK

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AND THEN THE PUBLIC PORTION WAS CLOSED. WE ONLY HAVE. TWO ADDITIONAL ITEMS. EVEN THOUGH PUBLIC PORTION WAS CLOSED. OKAY. AND JUST JUST TO, UM I'M SORRY. YOU IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD, YES. REOPEN PUBLIC WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE DONE AS TO THOSE TWO OF ITEMS. AH WELL, LET'S SEE IF PUBLIC HAS TO SAY. UM. WE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM THE FIRE CHIEF AFTER OUR MEETING. SO MR FEINBERG ARCHITECT WILL ADDRESS HE HAD TWO ISSUES. UM. I DID DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON THIS STUCCO ETHOS ISSUE. I UNFORTUNATELY. BATSMAN'S LEAVING . WE WERE AROUND IN 2000 WHEN THIS ALL BEGAN AS A CHERRY HILL AT CHERRY HILL CHERRY VALLEY COUNTRY CLUB, AND THE LITIGATION BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND D. K. M. THE OFFICE IS NOT STUCCO, AND WE'RE NOT USING ETHOS. SO MR FEINBERG WILL BRIEFLY HOW ARE YOU? EXPLAIN AGAIN OR I DON'T KNOW THAT HE FULLY DID THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OFFICE AND STUCK OUT EVEN IN THE SUPREME COURT CASE IN THE APPELLATE DIVISION CASE, WHICH REFERRED TO AS AN I'LL QUOTE, A SYNTHETIC STUCCO LIKE FINISH. NOT STUCK. SO OTHER THAN THOSE TWO BRIEF ITEMS. FIRE MARSHALS MEMO AND JUST REITERATING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. AS STUCCO AND DEFENSE. WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER AND I ASSUME AT THAT POINT IF YOU OPEN IT UP. THEN WE'LL. BOARD OF GO INTO DELIBERATIONS. IS THAT THE NEXT? WELL, I THINK WE HAVE OUR PROFESSIONALS CAN ADD ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO AND THEN WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND THEN THE BOARD WILL DO OUR DISCUSSION.

OKAY? MR FIBER. YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY SWORN SO YOU'RE STILL UNDER YES. CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH THE TWO ISSUES RAISED BY THE I GUESS IT WAS THE FIRE CHIEF AND AGAIN. DISCUSSION OF ETHOS AND STUFF GOING, HOW THERE. OKAY SO, UM, THERE WAS A MEMO SENT FROM, ADDED ADAM VERDUCCI. REGARDING TWO ITEMS WITH RESPECT TO THE PLAN REVIEW THE FIRST ITEM HE WANTED US TO GIVE TESTIMONY AND PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING ACCESS TO THE ATTIC. WHERE THE MECHANICAL UNITS ARE LOCATED. SO ON THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN, WHAT THEY CALL THE DISCOVERY ROOM THAT'S THE OPEN AREA AS YOU COME UP FROM THE STAIRS. UH THE FIRE SKIP THE FIRE STAIRS, UH, IN THE CEILING. UH, JUST ABOUT MAYBE 10 FT. FROM THE FIRE STARE. NUMBER TWO. THERE IS A COMMERCIAL FIRE RATED ACCESS PANEL WITH A COMMERCIAL RATED STARE THAT PULLS DOWN FROM THE CEILING. SO THAT'S HOW THAT'S UH, HANDLED AND SO YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY UP TO THE ATTIC SPACE IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY UP IN THE ATTIC. THE SECOND ITEM THAT HE ASKED WAS AT A GATE. AH ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING COMING FROM THE PLAY AREA. THERE'S CURRENTLY AGAIN ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO THE APPLICANTS GOING TO INSTALL A SECOND GATE ON THE LEFT SIDE, THIS WAY WILL GIVE HIM DIRECT ACCESS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND BOTH STARE TOP. AND THOSE WERE TWO ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN HIS REVIEW. UH THE OTHER ISSUE AND DISCUSSION WAS CLARITY ON THE STUCCO SYSTEM. SO I TESTIFIED PREVIOUSLY THAT THE APPLE KID ONLY USES SAY THREE COATS, CEMENT BASED STUCCO. SO JUST IN TERMS OF CLARITY ON THAT , UH, THREE KILL CEMENT STUCCO

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IT'S TWO LAYERS OF £30 ROOFING FELTS. THEY COME IN BIG ROLES THAT ARE ASPHALT IMPREGNATED.

THERE ALSO IS MATERIALS SUCH AS TIE BACK THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THE HOUSE. THERE IS A SPECIFIC ONE FOR STUCCO. THAT'S A HEAVIER MATERIAL AND ALSO HAS DRAINAGE FEATURES BUILT INTO IT. UM AFTER THAT SUPPLIED, UM, A WIRE MESH OR WIRE LAUGH IS APPLIED OVER THAT. OKAY SO THAT'S THE BASIS TO HOLD THE STUCK OUT TO THE WALL, JUST AS IT'S BEEN DONE FOR OVER 100 TO 150 YEARS. UM, AND WITH THAT THERE'S THREE COATS. THE FIRST CODE IS THREE AGENTS THICK. WHAT THEY CALL A SCRATCH COAT GOES OVER THE WIRE LAUGH. AND THEN THERE'S THREE AGENTS. THICK BROWN COATING AND FUN AS ABOUT EIGHT INCH FINISH COAT, WHICH HAS THE COLOR APPLIED THE ADVANTAGE OF USING THIS CEMENT BASED STUCCO. IT'S NOT ONLY MOISTURE RESISTANT, WHICH YOU WANT, YOU DON'T WANT RAINWATER TO COME IN, BUT IT HAS THE ABILITY TO DRIVE NATURALLY. SO BUILDINGS UH YOU'RE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THERE'S MOISTURE. IT PROPAGATES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. WE DON'T WANT TO STOP THAT AND ALSO MOISTURE FROM RAIN AND HUMIDITY WILL ALSO COME IN CONTACT WITH THE STUCCO. SO IT HAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE ON MOISTURE FROM THE INSIDE, EXPEL IT OUT TO THE OUTSIDE, AND IT DRIVES NATURALLY IN THE SUN OR AS IT GETS WARMER DURING THE DAY . THAT'S HOW STUCCO WORKS. BUT YOU SAID THERE WAS A VAPOR BARRIER THERE. YES THERE IS. THERE'S A LOT GOING TO GO FROM THE INSIDE OUT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. NO ACTUALLY, VAPOR BARRIERS ARE MADE TO BE PERMEABLE, EVEN TIE BACK. SO WHAT IT DOES IS IT PREVENTS DROPLETS OF WATER FROM COMING IN. BUT VAPOR, WHICH IS SMALLER PARTICLES LIKE STEAM THAT YOU KNOW YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE CATTLE THAT ACTUALLY CONFIRM WHAT THEY CALL PERM RATING AND ACTUALLY COMES OUT BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU HAVE THE ISSUES AS I UNDERSTOOD YOU HAD WITH THE LAWSUIT WHERE THE MOISTURE GOT TRAPPED IN THE WALL , AND IT ROTTED OUT THE PLYWOOD AND THERE BE INSULATION. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE USE, YOU KNOW, 90% OF WHAT WE'VE DONE HAS BEEN IN CEMENT STUCCO. THE OFFICE SYSTEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED AS REALLY A POLYMER BASED SO IT'S MANMADE MADE OF POLYMERS.

THAT STANDS FOR EXTERIOR INSULATION AND FINISH SYSTEM. SO THAT I BELIEVE IS WHAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUES OVER AT THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH THAT ON GREAT ROADS UM, SO THAT IS APPLIED IN TWO COATS. SO THE FIRST AGAIN YOU'LL HAVE A WATER RESISTANT BARRIER. UH IN THE CASE, MOST CASES IT'S TIE BACK OR IT'S A FLUID APPLIED, WHICH AGAIN ALLOWS MOISTURE TO GO VAPOR TO COME OUT AND NOT MOISTURE TO GO IN. AND THEN THE KEY TO HAVING A SUCCESSFUL ETHOS SYSTEM IS YOU HAVE TO BUILD IN A DRAINAGE PLANE. UNLIKE THE DESCRIPTION THAT I DID REGARDING STUCCO, THERE HAS TO BE AN AIR SPACE. SO THAT AIR SPACE ALLOWS, UM. VAPOR COMING FROM THE INSIDE TO BE ABLE TO, UM TO CONDENSE AND THEN FALL TO THE BOTTOM. AND THEN I THINK THE MAYOR PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT ABOUT THE WEEK SCREEN AT THE BOTTOM, SO THE WATER AND MOISTURE CAN GET OUT AND THERE CAN RISE THROUGH IT. THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO IT. ONE IS YOU WOULD HAVE THE FOAM INSULATION, WHICH IS PART OF THIS SYSTEM THAT GOES ON THE OUTSIDE HAS RIDGES ON THE BACK, AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY NAIL THAT? TO THE OVER THROUGH THE WATER BARRIER AND YOU KNOW, ONTO THE. PLYWOOD SHEATHING, OR THEY USE AND EXPANDING, UM THE TERM, I GUESS IN SIMPLE TERMS IS AN EXPANDING ADHESIVE, SO IT'S LIKE A CORK. BUT IT EXPANDS SO WHEN THEY STICK A FLAT PIECE OF INSULATION ON IT IT ACTUALLY IN THE FIRST HOUR MOVES ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN INCH AND PUSHES

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THEN AFTER THAT A FIBERGLASS MESH GOES OVER THE INSULATION. AND THEN THERE'S A CO POLYMER, UH, SCRATCH CODE AND THE FINISH COAT. UM SO IF SYSTEMS UM WE LIKE TOTALLY ON THAT DRAINAGE PLANE BEING BUILT. PROPERLY TO ALLOW THAT MOISTURE TO LEAVE THE BUILDING, WHICH AGAIN WAS BACK IN WHEN HOUSES WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT, THEY APPLIED IT DIRECTLY AND OR EVEN IF THEY PUT THE DRAINAGE PLANE, THEY WEREN'T REALLY PAYING ATTENTION. UM AGAIN. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, SO, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS THE CEMENT STUCCO BASE. CHAIRMAN I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER AT THIS TIME AND WERE AVAILABLE FOR FLESH. UM BUT THE. FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS PANELS, AND I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT IN YOUR REPORT, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU KNOW THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE FIRE, CHIEF. HE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE. WE GAVE TESTIMONY. I GAVE TESTIMONY THAT THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS LOCATED IN THE ATTIC. UM, SO HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW HE HAS ACCESS TO THE ATTIC. SO THERE IS A FIRE RATED METAL.

DOOR THAT'S IN THE CEILING AS YOU COME UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR IN THAT OPEN DISCOVERY AREA WITH THAT AND HAS THE ABILITY IT'S LOCKED AS THE ABILITY TO PULL DOWN AND A COMMERCIAL METAL STAIR COMES OUT OF IT SO THAT THEY CAN ACCESS DIRECTLY UP INTO THE ATTIC. OBVIOUSLY FOR REPAIRS , BUT FOR EMERGENCY IF SOMETHING'S GOING ON THE ATTIC, TAKING GET THERE DIRECTLY, BUT THERE IS NO IN. I THINK, HE SAID IN THE NOTE THAT THERE WAS OR THE MEMO THAT THERE WAS NO IT WASN'T CLEAR ON THE PLANS? YES SO THAT IS JUST NOT ON THE PLANS BECAUSE I WAS JUST TRYING TO TAKE A LOOK AT TO SEE WHERE IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT LOCATED ON THE PLANS, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLANS, THERE'S THE WORD DISCOVERY. AND THEN, UM, TO THE NORTH OF THAT THERE'S THAT STAIR TOWER IN THE BACK WITHIN 10 FT OF THAT'S THEIR TOWN. OKAY ALL RIGHT. SO THE SO FOR FIREFIGHTING COME UP STAIR TOWER . THEY WON'T TAKE THE ELEVATOR WILL COME UP THE STAIRS. POWER THAT'S AERATED TO OUR ENCLOSURE. THEY'LL COME UP. THEY'LL SEE THAT ACCESS PANEL AND IN SOME CASES, PROBABLY YOU'RE BUILDING INSPECTORS GOING TO ASK THEM TO LABEL IT WITH A STICKER THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, FIRE ACCESS TO ACT TO MECHANICALS ADDICT. THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL. SO GOOD 10. FT WILL IT? IT ASKS FOR EASY ACCESS. IT'S EASY TO GET. SO WAS THAT DISCUSSED WITH THE CHIEF? NO WE JUST WANT TESTIMONY TONIGHT AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION CAN SAY THAT 10 FT WHO COULD DETERMINE THAT IT'S EASY ACCESS TO THAT BE SOMETHING CLERKING IN HIS. DO YOU DEAL WITH FIRE DOORS? YOU DEAL WITH IT. WHETHER IT'S 10 FT IS EASY ACCESS OR NOT. CHRIS WAS FOR EASY ACCESS. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT. YOU DON'T OKAY? MIKEY WILL BE THAT IT'S READILY MARKED. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW. I PROVIDED TESTIMONY. THEY REALLY SHOULD. AGAIN USUALLY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR REQUEST AT THE TIME BUILDING PERMIT. BUT YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THE APPLICANT THAT CAN BE A STICKER THAT'S ON, SAYS FIRE ACCESS TO THAT, SO HE KNOWS HE JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHEN HE'S YOU KNOW, FIGHTING A FIRE AND EMERGENCY WHEN IT COMES UP WHERE TO GO. MY QUESTION IS IT WASN'T MARCH BEFORE. IS THAT SOMETHING? THAT'S WHY HE'S ASKING RIGHT? WAS IT ON THE PLANTS TYPICALLY NOT SHOWN IN A PLANNING BOARD SUBMISSION, YOU KNOW THAT USUALLY COMES AT BUILDING PERMIT TIME, WHICH WILL BE SHOWN ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, SO HE JUST WANTED CLARITY. I'LL READ THE STATEMENT. ON THE PLANS WE SAW IT WAS UNCLEAR AS TO THE ACCESS TO THE MECHANICAL SPACE IN THE ATTIC. SECOND FLOOR. WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ACCESS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EASILY EASY TO GET TO IN THE EVENT OF THE EMERGE. AND I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS NOT CLEAR BEFORE TYPICALLY NOT SHOWN ON EARTH PLANNING BOARD SUBMISSION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT? FIRE MEMO OR STUCK OUT. OKAY, BEFORE YOU GO AWAY. UM LET'S LET'S JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE OTHER,

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I CAN'T ANSWER, BUT JEFF WILL BE ABLE TO OKAY? AND THEN JUST SARAH ANYTHING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. YOU NEED TO PULL DOWN THE THING IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE CAN HEAR YOU THE MIC. OH, OKAY. LET'S SEE. WE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THE BUILDINGS COULD BE BUILT INTO THE SLOPE. TO UM, AVOID A LOT OF RE GRADING AND POSSIBLY THE RETAINING WALL ON THE EAST SIDE WOULDN'T BE NEEDED. LET'S SEE. IS THERE STILL A HEIGHT VARIANTS REQUESTED. OKAY? UM NOT FOR THE BUILDING. OKAY? THERE IS A VARIOUS WHILE I THINK THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THAT, OKAY? CURRENT LIMITATION. MAYBE WE GOT THOSE REQUESTS MIXED UP THE HYPERION FROM THERE WAS A WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. THERE WAS A HEIGHT VARIANTS REQUIRED WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD. BUT WHEN, OKAY, CHANGED THE PLANS. LIMITED THE HEIGHT VARIANTS, SO I THINK, OKAY, UM, LET'S SEE. WE RECOMMENDED UM, SOLAR PANELS OR A GREEN ROOF. GREEN ROOF WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER RUNOFF, SOLAR PANEL OR SOLAR READY. MR FEINBERG CAN RESPOND.

SO I GAVE TESTIMONY DURING THE PREVIOUS MEETING. UM. BUILDING WILL BE DESIGNED TO BE SOLAR READY IN CLOSING THE CONDUIT TO THE ROOF FROM THE ELECTRICAL ROOM, AND THE ROOF TRUSSES WILL BE DESIGNED TO CARRY ADDITIONAL WEIGHT. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD START. GREAT THANK YOU ALREADY. BUT HOW ABOUT PUT SOME SOLAR ON IT? IT'S YOUR BUILDING. SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY BUT REALLY, WHAT IS IT READY FOR IT? FOR THE REQUEST COULD BE TO PUT THE SOLAR ON. IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT, IT'S ALREADY THEN. PUT THE SOLAR ON.

IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE SOLAR ON? THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION.

AT THIS POINT, WE'RE PROPOSING SOLAR ALREADY. UM. I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN SOUL WILL BE ADDED. THAT MAKES SENSE. I GUESS AT SOME POINT THEY HAD IT. BUT AT THIS POINT, OUR PROPOSAL WOULD SOLAR READY. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING IN YOUR WARDENS THAT REQUIRES SOLAR PANELS INSTALLED. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, NOT A REQUIREMENT. RIGHT? NOT IN THE ORDER. RIGHT DID YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FIND A REPLACEMENT FOR THE INVASIVE MISCANTHUS FINANCES? WE DON'T ALLOW INVASIVE. UM PLANTS? YES, WE'LL CERTAINLY UPDATE OUR PLANS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU. WE ALSO RECOMMENDED POROUS PAVEMENT. RAIN BARRELS AND THE PARKING LOT COULD BE A SLOPE TOWARD THE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT, WHICH COULD BE A RAIN GARDEN. INSTEAD OF A RAISED ISLAND. AND THAT COULD FURTHER REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE BIO RETENTION BASIN AND THE HUGE RETAINING WALL. SHORT SO THE ISLAND THAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSING THAT LOCATION ISN'T WIDE ENOUGH TO BE UTILIZED AS A ABOVE GROUND RAIN GARDEN FEATURE WE DO USE A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE

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THEN YOU WOULD HAVE JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S NO SPACE AND THERE IS POTENTIAL

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I THINK WE ASKED QUITE A BIT OF QUESTIONS OF AT THE LAST HEARING. I ASKED QUESTIONS LEFT HEARING, WHICH WERE ANSWERED THE AFRICANS PROVIDED ALL THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HAD REQUESTED IN OUR REVIEW MEMO, AND WE'VE ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF OFFLINE. THE MEETINGS, CONFERENCE CALLS AND SO FORTH WITH THE AFTER. MY TEAM, AND I THINK THAT SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSED THE COMMENTS. NORMAL NUMBERS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE BORDER MANHATTAN CASH. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND I PAINSTAKINGLY LISTEN TO EVERY MINUTE OF THE 3.5 HOURS OF MEETING THAT I WAS NOT HERE FOR, UM IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A HEIGHT VARIANTS ON THE RETAINING WALL CLOSEST TO THE SCHOOL. CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE RETENTION BASIS THAT'S DRESSED. THE PARALLEL WALT TO THE 11 FOOTER. WHATEVER FOOTBALL THAT IS. IS THAT A 4 FT WALL. PANEL WALL AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE THE GREATEST BENEFIT ON MY SCREEN HERE. BY MY LAPTOP WOULD ACTUALLY BEHAVE.

FOR YOU. IS IT ON ONE OF THESE CAN BE JUST LOOK AT ON THE LINE HERE, REMEMBER, I HAD A DREAM YOU HAD TO RETAIN ALL EXHIBITED. YOU HAD PROFILE FOR IT, DIDN'T YOU? PROBABLY ISN'T PREPARE PROFILES FOR THAT ASSUMPTION. I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. MR CHAIRMAN. THE THAT WALL IS ABOUT . THIS ONE IS SO, YEAH, THE ADDED AT ITS HIGHEST POINT, DELTA ALL IS ABOUT 4 FT. OKAY AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WALL. YEAH BELOW THAT. CORRECT THE HEIGHT AND MEET, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SIGNS UP. MAYBE HE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING THE WAY BEFORE IS THE ACTUAL HEIGHT. OF THE WALL IF YOU WERE STANDING IN THE BASIN LOOKING AT THE WALL THAT'S THAT'S THE HEIGHT THAT THAT THAT THE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S THAT IS CORRECT WHAT YOU WOULD VISUALLY PERCEIVED, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE STANDING IN THE BASIN. HE ADDED TO PERCEIVE THE 11 FT. FROM FROM THE OUTSIDE. YOU REALLY DON'T SEE THAT 11 FT BECAUSE HALF OF IT IS ACTUALLY BELOW GRADE. BUT THERE IS A DROP THERE IS RIGHT, ABSOLUTELY. AND THEORETICALLY, THERE COULD BE. 1.5 YEAR OLD 28 YEAR OLD KIDS RUNNING AND AROUND THAT AREA, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FENCE AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT BUT THEORETICALLY, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE KIDS RUNNING AROUND THIS 11 FT WALL WITH HOW DEEP IT DROP IS THAT IT'S 11 FT.

DROP FROM THE TOP OF THE WALL TO THE IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT SOMEWHAT CONCERNING YEAH, OKAY. AS FAR AS IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON THING TO HAVE A RETAINING WALL THAT HIGH FOR DRAINAGE BASINS. NEERA NEERA PRESCHOOL. I'VE NEVER I'VE NEVER DESIGNED A PRESCHOOL WITH THAT TYPE THAT HIGH WILL ROUTINE LOSS OF THAT. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THAT WAY. AH, IF I WERE TO, I WOULD I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A OFFENSE THAT'S NOT CAPABLE OF BEING SCALED. SO MAYBE OFFENSE. THAT'S YOU KNOW, MAYBE 6 FT. TALL WITH A SMALLER MESH. OUT FOR A. THE ACTUAL DENSE FABRIC SO YOU CAN'T BE CLIMB WHEN YOU CAN'T STICK YOUR SMALL FEET INTO IT AND FIND IT.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO IF I WERE DESIGNING OF RETAINED WALL. IF I HAD TO DESIGN A RETAINING WALL THAT HIGH YEAH, TO KEEP IT FROM BEING A THEY HAVE HER. AND IS THERE ACCESS FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO THE RETENTION BASIN INTO THOSE WALLS? SO THERE'S A.

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THERE WILL BE A FENCE AT ANY SPOT. WOULD YOU HAVE THAT? THAT THAT DROP ON TOP OF THE 11 FT WALL WILL HAVE A 6 FT FENCE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I REMEMBERED FROM THE SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE. UM DEBORAH KEENAN HAD ASKED FOR SOME MORE GROUND COVER INSTEAD OF TO REPLACE LAWN. I THINK IT WAS DID DID THAT EVER HAPPEN? BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL. AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS WELL. WE'RE LOOKING TO USING SOME NATURAL GROUND COVER AND WE HAVE OPEN LAWN AREA SURROUNDING THE FACILITY AND WE CAN WORK WITH YOUR OFFICE, MAKING SURE IT'S LOCATED AND IN YOU KNOW, STILL A LOCATION THAT'S SATISFACTORY TO YOUR OFFICE. MR ROBERTS TO OUR OFFICE TO THE BOARD TO THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS. WELL LET LET ME JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I CAN HIGHLY RECOMMEND. UM TO NATIVE GROUND COVERS. I DON'T THINK THAT WILD STRAWBERRY IS A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. TEACH CHILDREN. TO EAT BERRIES THAT GROW ON THE LANDSCAPING. UM SO I WOULD RECOMMEND GOLDEN RAG WART. UM PACKED ERA. KOREA. AND LIAR LEAF SAGE. SALVIA ERATO. I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THEM, AND THEY'RE JUST VERY THERE'S SOME I EVERGREEN DEER RESISTANT, SHADE TOLERANT. DROUGHT TOLERANT . WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? THAT'S RIGHT. APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION, AND WE'LL DO THAT WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT INTERNALLY AND WOULD BE GREAT ON THE PLANS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO RAKESH GETTING BACK TO RAKESH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RAKESH. IT'S ARE YOU I KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE ENGINEER. BUT ARE YOU THE APPROPRIATE PERSON TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STUCK OVER THIS QUESTION? OR WOULD THAT BE THE PLANNER? I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECTURE WILL NOT, UH, CAN'T REPRESENT MYSELF AS AN EXPERT IN THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WOULD BE. IS IT JAMES OR SOMEONE FROM HIS OFFICE? I IMAGINE I CAN SPEAK TO IT GENERALLY, I CAN ALSO SPEAK TO IT AS IT'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE ORDINANCE, OR THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT WHAT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS, BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN. I MEAN, THE DISTINCTION WAS MADE AT THAT THAT EVENS IS NOT STUCCO.

UNDERSTOOD BUT WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE? SAY UM, UM AND WHAT IS WHAT IS OUR LIMITED AND HOW DO WE ASCERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT THIS SUPPLEMENT DESIGNED FEATURE THAT LOOKS LIKE STUCCO IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE. SO THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE HAS VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFICALLY THAT YOUR BUILDINGS ARE COMPOSED OF NATURAL MATERIALS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, AND IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT STUCCO IS TO BE USED AS A. I'M SORRY, BUT I FORGET THE WORD AS AN ACCENT. YOU CAN USE STUCCO AS AN ACCENT. SO IT DOESN'T INDICATE THAT STUCCO IS PERMISSIBLE AS AN ACCIDENT, BUT IT DOES NOT INDICATE THAT IT'S PERMISSIBLE AS THE DOMINANT MATERIAL ON YOUR WALL. IT DOESN'T MAKE A IT DOESN'T UM. INDICATED DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPED MATERIAL ETHOS AND STUCCO AS IT WAS DESCRIBED BY MR FEINBERG TODAY,

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GRANTED ALL THROUGH CHERRY VALLEY COUNTRY CLUB, SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT MIGHT BE THE REASON GO AHEAD. THREE VALLEY WE CAN'T HEAR YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR OR PULL THE MICROPHONE TO YOU. OKAY? THE MATERIAL USED THAT CHERRY VALLEY WAS IF IT'S NOT STOP. OKAY, WELL, SO IT'S A WELL, THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM. I MEAN, FROM THE I MEAN, JUST IN PERIODICALLY, MANY, MANY PEOPLE ARE HAVING DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AND MOLD PROBLEMS AND REPLACING THEIR IT'S NOT. THAT'S YES, SO IT'S NOT IF IT'S SO THE ISSUE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE ISSUES THEY HAD A CHERRY VALLEY. SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME MATERIAL. NATURAL STUCCO VERSUS EMPHASIS IS NOT BEING USED WERE EIGHT. THIS WAS USED AT CHERRY VALUE WASN'T IMPLIED. PROPERLY THERE WAS LITIGATION BROUGHT BY THIS TOWNSHIP KM. IT WENT TO THE SUPREME COURT RIGHT CASE ACKNOWLEDGES EXPLAINS THAT IT WAS NOT STUCK OUT THAT WAS OFFICE. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM AND THAT'S RIGHT. I COULD YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING OLDER. I SHOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THE CASE. I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE CASE IN DECEMBER, BUT I KNEW IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH STUCK UP. I'M NOW I'M QUITE CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID THAT. SO YOU'RE USING STUCCO THAN NOT? I'M USING THE MATERIAL THAT WOULD IF USED THE TKM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A PROBLEM. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU BE MORE CLEAR? SUCK UP. GOT IT? NOT ETHOS. BUT SO THE ORDINANCE DOES SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTS STUCCO AS THE AS THE MATERIAL THAT IS NOT THINK IT MORE DOES NOT. THAT'S THE FIGHT ETHOS. YES IT'S GENERIC. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T.

YEAH I THINK THEY USED GENERIC STUCCO AS A TERM PROBLEM. IF IT IS SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS SYNTHETIC. STUCK OUT TO SAY THAT STUFF. AND WE'RE USING STUCK UP. BECAUSE IT WILL NOT PRODUCE THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAD A VERY BAD WELL, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, BUT THE SO THE ORDINANCE DOES STATE THAT STUCCO IS NOT ALLOWED HAVING A MATERIAL. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT IS. IT IS ALLOWED, JUST NOT AS A PRIMARY DOMINANT MATERIAL MATERIAL, AND THERE IS NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN SYNTHETICS. STUCCO AND REGULAR STUCCO IN THE ARGUMENT, SO IT'S TOO BAD THAT DON MATTHEWS ISN'T HERE. HE WOULD PROBABLY REMEMBER THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING THIS ORDINANCE. PERHAPS SHERRY CRUZ REMEMBERS. NOPE. OKAY. THE QUESTION, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A POINT REMAINS IS THAT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE USE FOR YOU'RE STUCK OFF, RIGHT? WELL UNDERSTOOD. WELL, KNOWING KNOWING THAT THE STUCCO WE AS. NOT PERMITTED IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE. YOU CHOSE TO USE IT ANYWAY, AND REQUEST A VARIANCE. I WOULD STATE IT DIFFERENTLY. I KNOW FROM MY EXPERIENCE BEING AROUND HERE FOR A FEW YEARS. THAT STUCCO WAS NOT THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE ORDINANCE WAS INTENDED TO DEAL WITH. YOU SHOULD IF YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID EITHER ELVIS OR SYNTHETICS, STUCCO. THAT'S WHAT YOU LITIGATED OVER. YOU DIDN'T LITIGATE OVER. STUCK OUT ORDINANCE, SAYS STUCCO. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S IN MY OPINION ON THIS NUMBER. BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW THAT. I MEAN, IT COULD BE. IT COULD JUST BE A DESIGN AESTHETIC FEATURE THAT WE DON'T WANT ENVIRONMENT THAT'S RIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE DESIGN OF BUILDINGS SO WHETHER IT'S RELATED TO THE COMPOSITION AND THE IMPACT OF IT OR JUST HOW IT LOOKS WHEN WAY OR THE OTHER. IT IS SPECIFIED AS ONLY BEING AN ACCENT SO SURE, AND THAT'S WHY WE REQUESTED VARIOUS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE STUCK ON MATERIAL. IS WE? WE HAVE 36 UM SCHOOLS WAS STUCK IN. NOT EVE HAS STUCK IN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING IT HERE BECAUSE WE TAKE OUR PROTOTYPE IF YOU WILL, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE IT

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PLEASE. WE'VE GOT TO KNOW THEM. TO BRING UP THE. OKAY SO I HAD DISCUSSIONS. THIS IS A. THE PHOTO PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S BEEN PHOTOSHOPPED. IT'S UH. MY SHEET 82.4. IT'S A FRONT ELEVATION OF COLOR PHOTO OF THE MALVERN SCHOOL. HAS FEET. THIS HAS TO BREAK EXCUSE ME. THIS IS THE TAN. ONE IS THE BRICK RIGHT? SO I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNERSHIP. OF THE MALVERN SCHOOL AND BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE ALL HAD HERE, STUCCO VERSUS THE FAS VERSUS WHATEVER.

SO THERE WAS A PHOTOGRAPH. OF A, UM, SCHOOL THAT HAD STUCCO. IT WAS EXHIBIT A WAS MY SHEET, A TWO POINT THREE AND A RECORD HAD BETWEEN WINDOWS AND THE STUCCO. SO IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLE

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IT'S A DARKER COLOR. IF YOU RECALL WE HAD STONE ON THE BASE AND STONE IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS A COMPLETELY FRONT FACADE. IT'S ALL AND IT'S REAL BRICK, AND THEN WHAT WE DID IS HE ASKED TO ADD A METAL ROOF. THE BLACK METAL ROOF OVER THE MAIN ENTRANCE, SO THAT SHED ROOF WITH SHINGLED BEFORE NOW IT'S A BLACK METAL ROOF. AND THE UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW SILLS. THERE'LL BE A BRICK ROW LOCK LIKE YOU HAVE ON YOUR HOUSE, AND BEFORE WE HAD WHAT WAS A STUCCO, UM, HEAD FEATURE WITH A KEYSTONE. NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE BRICK WITH A CAST STONE KEYSTONE. SO THE APPLICANT AS WILL PUT IN THE FULL BRUNT FRONT FRONT BRICK HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE STUCK ON THE SIDES, MOSTLY BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, I GAVE TESTIMONY THAT WE HAVE A WATER TABLE THAT RUNS AROUND THE THREE SIDES. AND WE DIDN'T RUN THE STONE. BUT IT LOOKED LIKE STONE. UH HE'LL DO THE SIDES AND THE SAME COLOR SO IT MATCHES BUT WHEN THE KIDS COME OUT OF THE BUILDING HE DIDN'T PUT THE STONE DOESN'T WANT TO PUT BRICK BECAUSE THEY AND, YOU KNOW, RUB THEIR HANDS ALONG THE EDGE. SO IF YOU RECALL THAT BOTTOM WAS SMOOTH, FINISHED STUCK OUT, BUT NOW HE'LL CONTINUE TO STUCCO, BUT WE'LL DO . THE COLOR COMBINATION OF THE UPPER IS MAKE IT A LIGHT TAN COLOR AND THE BASE WILL BE A DARKER COLOR AS WE SHOW THERE, SO THIS WAY THE PRIMARY FACADE IS NOW ALL BRICK. IF YOU GO TO HAVE ANOTHER EXHIBIT SINCE I PRESENTED WHAT WAS A CAD, DRAWN, UM, ELEVATION I MODIFIED. THIS ELEVATION NOW SHOWS THE BRICKS OF RECALL FROM RAY CLUMP, THE ARCHITECT FROM ARIZONA. SO NOW THIS SHOWS THE WATER TABLE AT THE BOTTOM. IT SHOWS THE METAL ROOF. I'VE CALLED OUT THE MATERIALS CALLED OUT THE KEYSTONE AND IT'S ALL NOTED ON HERE SO THAT YOU HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT REPRESENTS WHAT THE APPLICANT WILL BUILD. CAN WE.

LIKE THIS. 812 AND YOU IDENTIFY THE. YES THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION. IT'S ON FIRE BRIGADE ASSOCIATES TITLE BLOCKS. IT'S SHEET A 2.5, AND IT'S A REDRAWN ELEVATION, SHOWING NOW THE FULL BRICK FRONT ELEVATION STATED I THINK IT WAS DATED TODAY. YES. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR BACK POCKET? MAYBE A LOWER RETAINER WALL. LOVELY SEE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SYRIAN EVAN HILL. YOU NEVER KNOW. WE DO HAVE TWO FENCES. SO YOU KNOW THERE'S A FENCE. AND THEN AS YOU HEARD THERE WAS A LANDSCAPE THERE AND THEN 6 FT FENCE ON TOP . AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT WITH THE APPLICANTS. HE HAS THE SAME CONCERNS. YEP THAT'S WHY WE'VE DONE THAT WITH A DOUBLE FENCE. BUT I JUST MR CHAIRMAN, YOU YOU SPENT 3.5 HOURS LISTENING TO THE TAPE. SO YOU HEARD ABOUT THE OTHER WALLS THAT WERE HIGHER THAN RETAINING WALLS IN THE AREA THAT WERE HIGHER THAN 11 FT. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT SCHOOLS. WHAT THEY'RE NOT SCHOOLS DAYCARES, BUT I MEAN, IF THERE'S A PIZZERIA WITH WITH A RETAINING WALL, SO BE IT, YOU KNOW, BUT DESIGNED FOR OTHER OFFENSES THAT MAKES IT EXTREMELY SAFE. AND I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS AS I HEAR EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW THE 6 FT FENCE IF WE DO AND PUT THE NON KLIMA BLE MESH ON IT, I THINK YOU'VE PROTECTED THAT OTHER LEVEL SO A CHILD WOULD HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE FIRST FENCE AND REMEMBER FENCES. AND TICKETS HAVE TO BE LEFT FOUR INCHES OR LESS SO THEY CAN'T PUT THEIR HEAD OR THEIR FOOT THROW IT. GRANTED THEY COULD CLIMB UNDERNEATH OR TRY TO CLIMB UNDERNEATH. YOU NEVER KNOW. BUT THEN YOU HAVE SHRUBBERY IS IN THE WAY AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SECOND FENCE, AND I THINK IF WE PUT THE MESH I THINK YOU PROTECTED THE CHILDREN. I DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE APPLE. WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP. I WAS MORE THINKING ABOUT IT. AND LOOK, I KNOW YOU. YOU CAN COME UP WITH A MILLION SCENARIOS. I GET THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW SOMEONE. GOES INTO THE SCHOOL TO DROP THEIR CHILD OFF AND THEIR SLIGHTLY OLDER CHILD IS WAITING IN THE CAR AND JUMPS OUT AND DECIDES TO RUN AROUND THE BUILDING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE I GUESS MY QUESTION IS OF THE OTHER. 26 HOLES. I GUESS IT WOULD BE 636. I'M SORRY. DO ANY OTHER OF YOUR

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AND THAT'S NOT TO THE 11 FT RETAINING WALL. THAT'S THE 4 FT HIGH RETAINING WALL THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY JUST KEEP IT MOVING, RAKESH ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? WOULD YOU SEND YOUR KID THEY'RE JUST KIDDING. YEAH. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ANSWER.

FORGET I'M HAVING. I THINK THE MOST PERCEPTIVE MOST PERCEPTIBLE LOCATION. THE PROPERTY. AND IT CURRENTLY DOESN'T SLIP UP RIGHT? CURRENTLY THERE'S A BALANCE OF THE WHOLE PROCESS. SIZE. TO THE AGENDA. CREATE. AND YOU DID TESTIFY LAST TIME THAT THE OWNERS OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY WERE. IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY. I DON'T RECALL IF I TESTIFIED DIRECTLY. I BELIEVE MR PETRINA HAD MENTIONED IT IN HIS TESTIMONY. BUT I COULD SAY ON THE RECORD NOW THAT I DID HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THE ADJACENT OWNER'S ENGINEER, AND THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION BECAUSE WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVING THE TRAINERS CONDITION RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, THE ENGINEER WITH ROB CORKAGE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY? YES, WITH ACT ENGINEERS, OKAY? THANK YOU. MR CLEVERLY, ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR SIDE? SO DURING THE LAST HEARING, THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GO THROUGH. I BELIEVE ALL 26

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RIGHT, UM. SO THAT IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR IT. UM . IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND NOT HAVING THE MULTIPLE MAIN ENTRANCES IS RELATED TO THE USE ITSELF. IT'S A DAYCARE WITH CHILDREN. AND SO FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE A MAIN ENTRANCE. THEN YOU HAVE A BACK ENTRANCE. IF I IF I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. YOU KNOW, TO PUT PURPOSE OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAWS, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. IN THAT CASE, THAT MAY BE REASONABLE, SO . I MEAN, THIS IS JUST IT'S A VISIBLE. IT'S A VISUAL THING. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT SAYS PLEASE GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, NOT THE MAIN ENTRANCE. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A VISUAL. THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS, AND THAT'S WHY WE THAT'S WHY THE CODE EXPECTS TO HAVE IT LOOKED GOOD FROM EVERY ANGLE, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, YEAH, SO THE IDEA IS SO WITH THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE IN PARTICULAR TALKS ABOUT KIND OF THE STREETSCAPE STREET FRONTAGE TALKS ABOUT KIND OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE PUBLIC SPHERE. AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE AS YOU'RE WALKING ALONG BRACKNELL WAY THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT OF SOMETHING AND WHICH IS A VERY NORMAL AND REASONABLE DESIGN REQUIREMENT. ARE YOU ASKING ME IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE OR NO. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHY LIKE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE VARIANCE IS THERE AND IT'S BASED ON A VISUAL THING OF LOOKING AT IT.

THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE TO KIND OF BE THIS PARTIALLY. IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S CALLED THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE, BUT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS KIND OF PEDESTRIAN, FRIENDLY, ATTRACTIVE, WALKABLE AREA, SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHY IT'S THAT WAY. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THIS IS THIS ROAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO IT'S REALLY UM PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS THING. SO HAVING IT LOOK THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS PROPOSED SEEMS PROBLEMATIC. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T IT LOOKS LIKE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. IT DOESN'T LOOK, IF YOU RECALL I GAVE TESTIMONY SO OBVIOUSLY CONTROL ACCESS. THAT'S WHY THERE'S ONE MAIN FRONT ENTRANCE. WHAT WE DID PROPOSE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVALS. THERE ARE TWO DOORS ON THAT LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT A MAN WILL DO THE METAL ROOF. WE SHOWED A PENT ROOF COMING OUT.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE AN ENTRANCE. HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT. HAS THAT BEEN MARKED UP SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT. OKAY, LOOK VIEWS. SERIOUSLY PLACING SO WE CAN GO BACK OF THE BUILDING, NOT THE WEST SIDE. CAN YOU BACK IN THE BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES? ANY DOOR COMING OUT OF THE BACK ADDED PENT ROOF ADDED TO THE TWO SIDES AND SINCE WE ADDED METAL ROOF TWO. NOW, THE NEW BREAKFAST SOD WILL ADD METAL ROOF TO THOSE. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS PREVIOUSLY SO THAT THERE YOU GO, SO YOU'LL SEE THE DOORS ON THE TOP ONE. THERE'S ONE DOOR ON THE LEFT. SIDE OF THAT EXHIBIT AND LOOKS LIKE A WHITE SQUARE. BUT REALLY, THAT'S A ROOF THAT SLOPES COMING OUT ABOUT THREE OR 4. FT CAN YOU POINT TO IT WITH THE CURSOR? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT? THAT'S IT'S JUST BLUFF ABOVE THAT. AND THIS IS THE VIEW FROM WHAT DIRECTION LOOKING FROM. THAT'S THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, RIGHT? THAT'S THE YES. SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE MOST CONCERNED IS ABOUT THE WESTERN FACADE AND THE REAR FACADE. WESTERN NORTH BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT FACE BREAK. NO WAY. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE DOOR HERE. THAT ACCESSES TO THE PLAY AREA AND THIS WHITE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A WHITE CIRCLE AND THE STUCCO THAT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO BE A ROOF THAT ITS WIDTH OF THE DOOR PROBABLY LITTLE WIRE 4 FT. IT EXTENDS OUT 3 FT FROM THE BUILDING AND WE'LL

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BUT THIS SIGN SHOULD BE A LITTLE BECAUSE YOU GO TO THE BACK. IF WE GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE BUT IT'S TWO DOORS. AND MORE. THERE'S AGAIN. THE PENT ROOFS ARE ADDED, WILL ADD THE METAL ROOF FOR THAT. AND THEN THE REAR ENGINE THROUGH. I'M SORRY, AND JUST AGAIN. THERE'S NO SIGNAGE ON THAT SIDE SIGNAGE ALI ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THERE'S A STANDALONE SIGN NOTES THEY'RE PERMITTED TO HAVE THAT'S NEAR BRACKNELL WAY. SO THAT EASTERN OR RATHER RIGHT, YEAH, RIGHT.

YEAH, BUT NOT ON THE BUILDING, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GONNA BE EMBLAZONED ON THE BUILDING. NO, NO, NO. IT'S A SMALL, RELATIVELY SMALL, FREESTANDING. SO THIS PENT ROOF WAS ON THE REAR. IT'S GOING TO REMAIN AND WALK THROUGH A METAL ROOF ON THAT NATURAL FOUR SOCKS. WELL THERE ARE FOUR OF THE PART OF THESE ARE MECHANICAL ROOM WANTS TO THE STAIR TOWER. THESE ARE THE TWO DOORS TAKE YOU. INTO THE MAIN FLOOR. THIS IS COMING DOWN. VERY GOOD, MECHANICAL. IT'S COMING BACK. WE? THEY'RE USUALLY SOLID DOORS. THEY'RE METAL FIRE DOORS. WE DON'T USUALLY WANT TO ACCENT THESE OTHER DOORS, YOU KNOW, HAVE GLASS IN THEM. SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE ACCENTED. WE CAN ALSO EXTEND THIS PENT ROOF OVER. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE WE EGRESS. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ELEVATOR MACHINE. SO BUT SO IF I LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN US HERE, AND THAT, UM THERE ARE. THERE ARE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT. THERE'S NO COLUMNS IN THE BACK, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK. YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT THERE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE ORDINANCE.

ALSO THE UM THE SHUTTERS ON THE FRONT. THERE'S NO SHUTTERS ON THE BACK. IS THAT CORRECT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. YES SO WE CAN ADD SHUTTERS TO ANYTHING THAT IS EXPOSED TO A STREET SO I THINK THIS IS EXPLODING. EAST AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD SHUTTERS. WE CAN FREAKING PUT THEM AROUND THERE. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. AND THE FACT THAT NEVER SEE BUT IF YOU WANT SHUTTERS THEY'RE BACK.

YOU DO SEE THE BACK, REDUCING I GUESS, AS YOU'RE AS YOU'RE COMING UP AROUND, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SEE IT COMING. ALL THE RESIDENTS OF JUST AS A POINT. THE BACK IS ALMOST THE MOST PROMINENT FEATURE LIKE IT REALLY ACTUALLY IS, BECAUSE THAT THE PREGNANT WAY WILL BE COMING.

IT'S NOT THERE YET, BUT IT WILL BECOME A OF THE THOROUGHFARE. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MANAGED CORRECTLY. BUT IT WILL BE, UM I THINK THAT IN ESPECIALLY PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE STREET THAT IS PROCEEDING. I DON'T KNOW IT'S NOT BREAKING AWAY. THE TAMARACK TAMARACK, WE'LL BE. WE'LL BE FACING THIS BUILDING AS THEY'RE DRIVING DOWN . I MEAN, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THEY DON'T WANT TO FACE THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING. I THINK I MEAN, JUST TAKE THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE BACKSIDE IS ACTUALLY QUITE IMPORTANT THING. I DO THINK FOR AGREE WITH PAUL BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE THE BACK OF THEIR HOMES. ALMOST RIGHT. CONDITIONAL APPROVAL WILL PUT SHUTTERS ON ALL FOUR SIDES AND ALL WINDOWS. YES, STANDARD EXTENDED SO. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. YOU MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THAT. YOU MEAN WITH I MEAN WITH NO WITH THE COLUMNS. I MEAN, JUST COMING OUT, AND CHILDREN ARE COMING INTO THE AREA AND WANT SOMEONE TO RUN INTO A COLUMN BECAUSE THAT AREN'T THEY DOING IT WHEN THEY'RE COMING? MOST OF THE FRONT DOOR TO THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I PREFER NOT TO PUT THE COLUMNS THERE. I'LL I'LL MAKE THAT ROOF LOOK YOU

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AND NOW ON THE BACK, IT WOULD BE ALL STUCCO. HE'S GOING TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE BRICK, BUT BECAUSE OF THE MATERIAL, BUT YOU KNOW WHEN KIDS ARE COMING OUT, REMEMBER SURROUNDED BY THE PLAY AREA ON ALL THREE SIDES. WE DON'T PUT STONE THERE. THAT'S WHY ORIGINALLY WITH THE STUCCO.

WE HAD A VERY SMOOTH BASE THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW, IN THAT CASE, STONE AH, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT MATERIAL. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT BREAD BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO ROUGH BRICK. JUST CAN'T START LIKE YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO GO SIT ON SOMETHING. SO THE PREFERENCES MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE BRICK TERMS OF THE STRIATIONS ON THE BASE. KEEP IT SMOOTH. YOU KNOW THAT? KEY AND THEN DO THE STUCCO BUT MATCH THE COLOR OF THE FRONT MASTER COLOR FRONT MASTER TEXTURE OF THE FRONT OR ANOTHER TEXTURE. JUST THE DESIGN IN TERMS OF THE BRICK. YEAH, WE'LL MAKE YEAH, WE'LL PUT THE PEDIMENT HEADS THAT WE'RE ADDING THE YOU KNOW WE'RE ADDING THE SHUTTERS, SO I'LL PUT ALL THOSE TREND PIECES ABOVE ALL THE WINDOWS ALSO SO IT'LL LOOK LIKE THE FRONT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET PRETTY CLOSE TO SEE THAT IT'S STUCCO VERSUS THE THREAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MATCH THE SPECIFIC CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THEN IF THE PEDIMENT HEADS ON ON THE BACKSIDE AS WELL AND THE YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OKAY. BE AN ISSUE HERE. WHO WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE AND ALL WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU DRIVE AROUND, IT SEEMS I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, 15 FT VIEW VERSUS WALKING UP TO ITSELF. RIGHT WE HAVE A FRIEND.

YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE. CORRECT CORRECT LANDSCAPING AND BIGGER TREES. MM HMM. WELL, DO IT. AND YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE MAIN WINDOW JUST LIKE IN THE FRONT HERE IS A VERY SYMMETRICAL THING AND THAT IT'S NOT SYMMETRICAL AND THIS THAT IT'S OFF KILTER. THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CENTER. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GONNA BE I JUST YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. ON ONE SECOND. I MEAN, YOU'RE AS WE SAID, WE NEED THIS. YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE IT LOOKED LIKE THE BACK AND AS ANOTHER POINT WAS MADE. PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS.

QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WILL BE SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS. AND FRANKLY, IF I WERE SITTING HERE LOOKING THERE, AND I'D SAY A POINT IN THE ROOF WHEN I WOULD SEE A WINDOW UNDER I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE SYMMETRICAL LIKE IT IS IN THE FRONT. INSTEAD IT'S OFF LIKE 3 FT OR SOMETHING. IT LOOKS WEIRD. UNDERSTANDING SO THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT THE ELEVATOR IS THERE. AND THERE'S ALSO STORAGE AREA FOR CARSON. I COULD DO AT THAT TENT ROOF IS ACTUALLY THAT TRIANGLE.

THE TOP IS ACTUALLY APPLIED. I THINK TECHNICALLY, I CAN MOVE IT SO THAT CENTER BUT NOT CHANGE THE WINDOW. SO WE CAN DO THAT AS CONDITIONS. DON'T YOU JUST CHANGE THE INSIDE? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE JUST HIT YOU'VE GOT YOUR PLUG IN PLAY THING. I FEEL LIKE YOU JUST HAVE A DESIGN THAT YOU'RE THROWING ON MONTGOMERY AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUST DEAL WITH IT RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF HOW I FEEL LIKE I CAN'T INCITE THE WINDOWS BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATOR AND I CAN'T START MOVING THOSE ELEMENTS BUT THAT TRIANGLE THAT IS A PIECE THAT COMES FROM A AND IT'S ACTUALLY ADDED ONTO THE BUILDING AS THEY BUILD THE ROOF. I COULD SLIDE THAT TO THE P COULD CENTERED ON THE WINDOWS AND YOU'LL HAVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT BUT YOU WON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S SET? SO IT DOESN'T STICK OUT LIKE IT DOES IN THE FRONT. SO THERE'S LIKE A DORM KIND OF THING ABOUT. NO, IT'S FLAT ON THE BACK. MAYBE MY EYES ARE OFF, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROOF IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU REVEALED RECALLED MEMBER OF THE FRONT HAD THREE DOUBLE WINDOW AND A SINGLE AND THEN WE EVEN THE MOUTH SO WEEKS THAT I THINK MOVING THAT TRIANGLE WOULD PROBABLY MOVE IT TO THE CENTER ANYWAY. THEN WHAT I'LL DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE PENT ROOF COVERS THE DOORS, AND THAT TRIANGLE CAN GROW OR GETS SMALLER, TOO, SO I CAN MAKE IT WIDER. IT'S NOT A BUT THAT WILL

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TO THE SHOP RIGHT LIGHT. YEAH, THE CONNECTION OF VILLAIN SHRINE. VILLAGE DRIVE, RIGHT, UM . BECAUSE IF THAT IS NOT OPEN THEN, AS I RECALL, YOU GUYS DISCUSSING IN THE LAST MEETING THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IF VILLAGE ROAD IS NOT OPEN TO 206 BECOMES A NIGHTMARE. UM. I MEAN, YOU CAN GIVE PEOPLE LIKE, YOU KNOW. PORTABLE GPS WHEN THEY DROP THEIR KIDS OFF. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S TRULY WILL BE A NIGHTMARE. THOSE ARE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT SPOKE TO THE OVERALL CIRCUIT IN THE GENERAL AREA. CAN WE MAYBE PUT A PUT A PICTURE OF IT UP THERE, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO. I'M KEVIN SAVAGED. BY THE WAY, THAT'S IT. YEP. KEVIN SAVAGE S A V A G E. I WAS OKAY? SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL FOR, UM WHAT IS IT? THE TOP CENTER OF THIS EXHIBIT HERE? ESSENTIALLY VILLAGE DRIVE CURRENTLY DOES NOT CONNECT FROM TOMORROW'S DRIVE THROUGH 2206. YOU KNOW, MR FISHING HAD MENTIONED WON'T PROVIDE A SUPPLEMENTAL ANALYSIS. UM LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW THE OPERATION OF THE VILLAGE DRIVES AND 518 SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION WITH THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC RUNNING THROUGH IT BECAUSE THE LEFT TURNS. YOU KNOW, TWO AND FROM 206, BUT ESSENTIALLY COME THROUGH THAT SIGNAL. SO, UM BASED ON AN INITIAL LOOK, WE DON'T ENVISION ANY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS, BUT WELL, YOU KNOW, RUN THAT ANALYSIS AND SUBMIT THAT TO MR MR FISHING ER FOR HIS REVIEW TO ENSURE ITS SATISFACTORY YET ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THEIR TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE TO USE THE SIGNAL AT 518 AND VILLAGE DRIVE AND WORK THEIR WAY INTO THE SAFE THROUGH VILLAGE IN TAMWORTH. IT'S THAT CONNECTION IS NOT MADE. THAT THAT IS CONCERNING. THAT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. I MEAN, HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING IS OPEN AND THE RIGHT SEQUENCING MASKING FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL ANALYSIS, JUST CHECK OURSELVES. AND LOOK, YOU KNOW THIS BOARD. HEAD A VERY LONG HEARING WITH THE HONOR OF THE PROPERTY REGARDING GETTING THAT ROAD FINISHED. AND YES, THERE ARE SOME CEO RESTRICTIONS ON THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING UP. THE ROAD HAS TO BE FINISHED, BUT YEAH. HOPEFULLY, THE TIMING WILL BE RIGHT. SO I GUESS I MEAN, I GUESS THE QUITE THE QUESTION IS LIKE WOULD YOU? WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THIS THIS PROPERTY HOW WOULD YOU ASSESS? MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE AT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, UM, IS TOO. IT'S NOT SO YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT IF THAT ROAD WASN'T OPEN YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANY ASSESSMENT ON ON THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN THAT CASE, SO I HAVE ANALYZED THAT SIGNAL AS PART OF YOU KNOW MY WORK ON OTHER PROJECTS IN THE AREA RIGHT FROM FROM DATA ANALYSIS. I KNOW THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY, YOU KNOW , LEVEL OF SERVICE CONCERNS AT

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ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS WITH RESPECT TO THE FINISH OF THE BUILDING. HER TONIGHT THAT THERE MAY BE A BRICK. FRONTAGE AND THAT THE BORDER I THINK IS VERY APPROPRIATELY CONCERNED THAT THIS BUILDING REALLY HAS THREE FRONTAGE IS THERE'S NO SIDE. THERE'S NO REAR AND APPLICANT REALLY CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BASIS FOR A LOT OF THESE VARIANCES BECAUSE OF THE EXPOSURE TO THE BUILDING. SO MY VIEW IS THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE FIXING THE FRONT BY PUTTING BRICK ON IT AND LEAVING STUCK OUT OR ANOTHER FINISH AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT FINISHED. LOOK LIKE BRICKS. THAT'S NO SOLUTION AT ALL. SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I THINK THE BUILDING SHOULD HAVE A UNIFORM FINISH. AND I BELIEVE IN YOUR PLANNERS. MEMO. THERE ARE VARIANTS IS REQUIRED WITH RESPECT TO SPACING AND FINISHING AN ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES SO THEY ASK. THE BOARD TO CONSIDER HAVING THE APPLICANT COME BACK AND REVISE. THAT ISSUE. I THINK PERSONALLY, IT WOULD BE A DARKER COLOR SIMILAR TO THE TOWN HOMES NEXT RIGHT NEXT DOOR WOULD VISUALLY BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A HOME. RESIDENTS OF THE HOUSE ANYWAY. UM SO THAT'S ONE CONSIDERATION. I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND. THE SECOND IS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO UM THE. STEEP SLOPES THAT WAS DISCUSSED TONIGHT AS WELL. THERE'S THERE ARE ISSUES IN THE PLANNERS REPORT WITH RESPECT TO WHY THAT'S NECESSARY AND THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNERS. MEMO, THE BOARD'S PLANNERS MEMO. FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY IS TOO HOW AND WHY, IN THE EXTENT TO WHICH THESE STEEP SLOPES NEED TO BE AS STEEP. TOPSOIL REMOVED OR NOT REMOVED. ETCETERA. AND ADDITIONALLY. IT WAS RECOMMENDED . I THINK IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEMO AND SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THE APPLICANT BE ASKED TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY DEMONSTRATING WHAT SPECIFIC MEASURES THEY HAD TAKEN IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE TREE REMOVAL. SOME OF THE LARGE OLD TREE REMOVALS I THINK I MENTIONED LAST TIME AND I WOULD REITERATE NOW. I DIDN'T HEAR ANY TESTIMONY. ABOUT WHAT SPECIFIC STEPS WERE TAKEN TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE NATURAL FEATURES ON THE SITE. ALL THAT WAS STATED LAST TIME. AND WAS REITERATED TONIGHT WAS THAT.

IT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT REALLY A STANDARD. THAT IS YOU CAN'T MEET THE VARIANTS. OR OR NOT EVEN THE VARIANCE STANDARDS. BUT THE, UH ORDINANCES STANDARDS ABOUT

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I MEAN, THE BOARD IS RAISING ISSUES AND THIS IS NOT LET'S MAKE A DEAL. I'LL MOVE THIS HERE WILL DO THIS. WE CAN DO THIS MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THAT'S A JUMBLED MESS, AND THAT DOESN'T CREATE VERY CLEAR OR REVIEWABLE RECORD. THAT'S GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE BY ANYONE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. DO HAVE EMOTIONS CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. STILL MOVING. ALL IN FAVOR BY OKAY? BOARD QUESTIONS DISCUSSION.

OKAY? I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT. IS THERE ANY LATITUDE OF THE OF PUTTING THE BRICK ON THREE SIDES? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE NOT 20 A SMOOTH SERVICE OR SOMETHING ON THE BACK SIDE WHERE THE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE PLAYING, BUT IT IS THREE FRONTAGE PROPERTY. AH! I THINK WE'VE GONE VERY FAR. TWO. UM ADDRESSING ORDINANCE THAT WAS MISGUIDED. THAT'S YOUR OPINION THAT IT'S BEEN MISGUIDED OPINION , BUT I WAS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE LITIGATION. REGARDLESS I THINK YOU SHOULD COUCH IT BY SAYING THAT IT'S YOUR OPINION. THANK YOU. ANYWAY, WE WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW TO, UM. MINIMIZE THE DEVIATIONS. AND. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE BOARD WOULD, UH APPRECIATE ALL THAT. WE'VE ASKED ALL THAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO. UM, STEEP SLOPES.

WE HAD LOTS OF TESTIMONY ON THE SLEEP STOPS ISSUE. I DIDN'T JEFF SPENT 10 MINUTES ON THAT THREE REMOVAL. THERE'S NO ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT. TREE REMOVAL. AND WE DID THE BEST WE COULD GIVEN THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE SITE, WHICH WAS TESTIFIED TO BY JEFF. WE WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE AT LEAST. THREE OR FOUR OF THE LARGE, LARGER TREES. UM, THIS IS NOT SOME REFERENCE THAT. YOU KNOW THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON THE SITE? THIS IS A HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS PERMITTED USE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT ABOUT THE HOUSE. THIS IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE ZONE. AND FINALLY, JIM KYLE IS HERE. AT THE LAST MEETING, HE TESTIFIED EXTENSIVELY EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE VARIANCES. HE HE ADDRESSED EACH VARIANTS INDIVIDUALLY. WE UM SPENT I AND YOU AND WHOEVER WAS THE CHAIRMAN AT THAT TIME WAS NICE ENOUGH TO GIVE US ADDITIONAL TIME. SO WE SPENT TIME IN ADDRESSED EVERY VARIANCE THAT'S IN THE LIST THAT. I THINK THIS CASE HE HAS AND THE BOARD HAS SO, UM I THINK THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED. THAT WE'VE WE HAVE AGREED TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS. UM AND I THINK IT'S UM THE CONDITIONS ARE REASONABLE. UM SO I THINK I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTOOD

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THE TESTIMONY WAS THAT THERE'S I THINK THEY'RE ONLY 43 TIME. WE HAD LANDSCAPING IN FRONT. AND THE GODDARD SCHOOL HAS A HOT BOX THAT'S MUCH CLOSER TO THE ROAD NORTH. ACTUALLY ALSO THINK BASED ON THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING SPACE, THEY DON'T REQUIRE AN EXCEPTION. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN 18 FT SPACE WITH A 2 FT OVERHANG, RIGHT? GREAT. AND THAT'S ONE LESSON ONE LIFE. OKAY THANK YOU. SO SO YOU'RE GOING FOR C ONE FAIR AND SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING FOR C ONE VARIANCES OR ANYONE EXCEPT PLEASE. I THINK IT WAS C ONE FOR THE STEEP SLOPE SLOPE. RIGHT AND THE REST WERE SEE TO MR CARLES NODDING HIS HEAD. YES, CORRECT. MR KYLE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD. YES. SO WHEN

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YEAH NOT NOT 5678 YEAR OLD KIDS. WE HAD THE SAME THING HERE. IN FACT, IT WAS RUN BY THE TOWN, RIGHT? THE BILL IS ELEMENTARY AND THE KID CONNECTION WHICH HAD ALL OF THOSE ALL OF THE ABOVE.

SO AGAIN, IT WAS IN BRICK, SO I RESPECTFULLY I DON'T THINK THAT ARGUMENT HOLDS WATER IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT. IT'S AN ECONOMIC REASON THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT. OR THAT YOU WANT TO SAY THAT'S ONE THING BUT TO SAY THAT IT'S SAFER, I THINK IS REALLY RIDICULOUS. OKAY KNOWING THAT

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IT'S PRE EXISTING CONDITION. YOU COULD SAY SO. SO THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS SITE COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH ANY USE OTHER THAN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT SITS THERE NOW. IS A SCENARIO LIKE THIS. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DEVELOP THIS SITE IS TO FILL IT AND USE RETAINING WALLS. THAT THAT'S THE PRACTICAL REALITY. SO OKAY? CAN WE TALK ABOUT? WHAT'S THE VIEW GOING TO BE OF THE 11 FT WALL? WHEN YOU'RE AT THIS LITTLE HUB THERE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT PEOPLE SITTING UP THERE LOOKING AT THE STOP SIGN LOOKING AT THIS. THE BACK OF THE 11 FOOTBALL, RIGHT? YOU WON'T THE WALL WILL NOT BE PERCEIVED FROM BRACKNELL WAY THAT'S ALL FROM ME. NOT FROM THERE. NO. BECAUSE THE CAN YOU PULL UP THE PROFILE, PLEASE.

YEAH, I'M A SO TALKING FROM THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS. SEE THIS? YOU'RE SITTING AT YOUR SITTING AT THAT COMING TO TRYING TO TAKE YOUR RIGHT ONTO BRACKNELL OR LEFT RIGHT WALL WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THAT. LOOK THIS IS A CUT WALL. SO IT DROPS INTO THE BASE. AND THIS IS THAT GREAT HERE, SO YOU WON'T YOU WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE THAT SIDE OF THE WALL. THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL SEE THAT WALL AS IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE BASIN, MAINTAINING IT, OKAY, BUT THAT'S FINE. THAT WILL BUT THE ONE ON THE SIDE IN THE OTHER WAY. SO YOU'RE COMING UP, BRACKNELL, AND YOU'RE SEEING THE BACK. THE TOP CORNER FROM HERE. OKAY YEP. NOW LOOK OVER THERE AT THE VERY BACK. THAT'S 11 FT. UP THERE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. THAT'S A GREAT AS WELL. OKAY SO YOU WON'T THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD SEE THE HEIGHT AS IF YOU WERE STANDING AT THE EDGE OF LOOKING DOWN INTO THE BASIN. AND THE ONLY THING YOU'RE SEEING YOU'LL SEE FROM THAT SIDE IS THE 6 FT FENCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT HER ON FOR SAFETY. CORRECT TO SAY THE FENCE TO ME IS ALSO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROM THE FROM THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. RIGHT NOW, WAY IT LOOKS LIKE THIS DEFENSE WILL BE STANDING ON THE GROUND WITH NO GRADE. THE GRADE IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FENCE.

ONLY FROM THE FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BASIN OR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT THERE'S ANY DEPRESSION AT ALL. THE OTHER RISK FROM THIS WALL IS THAT SOMEONE WILL THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CLIMB AND WILL COME IN AT NIGHT AND TRY TO CLIMB. NOT A STUDENT, NOT A. IT'S NOT ONE OF THE KIDS. OKAY SORRY. NOT ONE OF THE KIDS IN YOUR DAYCARE. SOMEONE MIGHT COME IN AT NIGHT AND TRY TO CLIMB THAT WALL OR JUST TRY TO TAKE A SHORTCUT AND NOT REALIZE THE DROP OFFICE THERE. OH I'LL JUST JUMP OVER THIS 6 FT FENCE. AND THEN NOT REALIZE THAT THERE'S SUCH A DROP OFF ON THE OTHER. YEAH. I. YEAH THERE THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR PROVIDING FALL PROTECTION. FENCING. I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE PROVIDING A 6 FT. HIGH VINYL FENCE LIKE SLEEP.

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CLIMB IT AND IT'S A COMPLETELY SAFE MEASURE. I'M I'M I'M I'M OKAY,

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OKAY I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LOOK OF IT. HOW IT LOOKS FROM, YOU KNOW THAT.

THAT'S WHY THAT THAT SCHOOL, AND THAT FENCE IS ACTUALLY A LOT CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY TO SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSER STATE HIGHWAY ROUTE 33 AND ROBBINSVILLE RIGHT IN TOWN CENTER. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY HIGHLY PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT. UM EVEN ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE'S A STARBUCKS. THERE'S A MELBOURNE SCHOOL. THERE'S SOME APARTMENTS. I THINK THERE'S 100% AFFORDABLE PROJECT THERE IS WELL BEHIND IT. SO IT'S A IT'S A VERY MIXED JUICE, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AREA THAT THAT SCHOOL IS IN. OKAY? UM IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HANDICAPPED SPOTS IS THAT OPEN? TO THE LONG. THE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO WALLS OR TWO FENCES. I SHOULD SAY SO THAT THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A RAMP. THAT GOES DOWN. SO IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE LAST VERSION OF THE PLANS, WE HAD THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT IT KIND OF WRAPPED AROUND A LONG BREAK. NO WAY. AND THEN JEFF REDESIGNED IT SO THAT THE ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE CAME OFF OF THE PARKING AREA, AND THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A GRASS RAMP THAT GOES DOWN THE SLOPE INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN. SO IF THEY NEED TO GET EQUIPMENT OR MATERIALS, AND THERE, THEY CAN DO THAT. AND THERE'S A GAY. I THINK THERE'S A GATE. THERE'S A LOCKED GATE THERE. OKAY? ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS? I MEAN, JUST WEIRD AND SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDRESSED AT LAST TIME. THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH UPON NOW IS THE IS LIGHTING. ALSO, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S LIGHTING UM, ALONG THE PATHWAY TO WEST THAT GOES WESTWARD DOWN TO BREAK NO WAY AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT LIGHTING ALONG THE SIDEWALK PATH BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS WILL BE A PEDESTRIAN FREQUENTED AREA.

IN THE FUTURE. AND ALSO I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP LAST TIME. IF THAT WAS YOUR VOICE. I HEARD PAUL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WALKING. THAT'S THE WEST SIDEWALK PATH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE OPEN AT 630 IN THE MORNING. I THINK YOU SAID RIGHT? WHY REGARDLESS IT'LL IT'LL BE OPEN IN THE WINTER AND DARK, RIGHT? I'M SAYING 630, IT'S THERE'S NO LIGHT. YEAH, I RECALL WE HAD DISCUSSED, ADDING SOME BOLLARD LIGHTING A SPECIFICALLY AT ATTRACTIONS AND HAVING IT RUN ALONG THAT WALK LIKE COMING TOWARD THE BUILDING. SO THERE'S NICE VISIBILITY AT LEAST GETTING WANT THAT TO BE. I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE THAT IF YOU WOULD AGREE FOR A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, THAT WOULD BE WHERE A PART OF THE DESIGN YES, BUT THEN , BUT THEN ALSO ALONG THE SIDEWALK ALSO I MEAN, WHAT. IT JUST IT SEEMS INADEQUATE AND JUST LIKE THAT PATHWAY. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WALKING ALONG THE SIDEWALK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE TOWNSHIPS, RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN LIGHTING THERE OR TYPICALLY WOULD BE AND I THINK SO. I'VE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE MANY TIMES.

THE LAST TIME I WAS OUT THERE RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION. OF TAMARACK AND BRECK NELL. THERE WERE WIRES THAT WERE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHERE THERE'LL BE A STREETLIGHT PUT IN. UM. YES. SO I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A STREET LIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION WITH BRACKNELL RIGHT THERE. I JUST THINK FROM AN AESTHETICS AND THE DESIGN STANDPOINT, IF YOU'RE PUTTING THE BOLLARD LIGHTING ALONG THE S PATHWAY, IT PROBABLY IS. BEST TO PUT IN LIGHTING ACROSS THE WHOLE THING. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT IS THE PRESSURE IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR YOUR USE. THE IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE DISJOINTED TO HAVE CERTAIN LIGHTING AND INSIDE THE PROPERTY AND ANOTHER LINING ALONG THE PATH OF THE PROPERTY WOULD LOOK LOOK LOOK MUCH MORE, MUCH NICER IF IT WAS RELATING WAS THERE FOR YOU? I'M NOT TRYING TO SPRING ANYTHING ON YOU IN THE LAST MINUTE, BUT I WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME IT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. RIGHT? AND SAFETY BECAUSE, YEAH, SO MARRIED. THAT WAS THE THING THAT I RAISED LAST TIME WAS THAT WAS THAT BASED ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE AREA, PARTICULARLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON ACROSS 206 AND THE AND YOU YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE

[04:40:02]

OKAY I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON TO WHAT? SARAH ROBERTS BROUGHT UP ABOUT SOMEONE WALKING THE DARK AND NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S A DROP OFF. YOU DO HAVE YOUR FRIENDS, BUT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SOME SAFETY LIGHTING? THERE MAY BE A SIGN. THEY'RE SAYING DROP OR SOMETHING.

WHATEVER YOU CAN COME UP WITH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING PEDESTRIANS, AND WE'RE TALKING TEENAGERS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF TEENAGERS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE'S HOUSING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WALKING AND NOT REALIZING SO I THINK FOR SAFETY, BUT SAYS YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A LIGHT, SOME KIND OF A CAUTION SIGN SOMETHING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY COULD FALL OFF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME MISCONCEPTION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE I THINK THEY'RE ANY TIME THERE'S A CHANCE FOR A FALL. THERE WILL BE ADEQUATE FENCING AROUND IT. PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA BE WALKING OFF. SIGN OF AN 11 FT THING, RIGHT? I DO AGREE, BUT I WOULD POINT BUT I AND THERE ALSO IS LANDSCAPING AND SHRUBBERY ALL AROUND THE THING YOU WOULD HAVE TO TRAVERSE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FENCE BEFORE YOU GO OVER THE CORRECT I'M STILL THINKING KNOW THAT IT'S I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A FALL HAZARD DOWN THERE. BUT IT'S LIKE A NICE LITTLE GULLY. 11 FT. DOWN IN THERE, AND IT'S LIKE LIKE HE'S SAYING, LIKE THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ARE GOING ON. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH SEEING ANYTHING LIKE THAT EVER BEFORE, BUT WITH THEIR BE ANY AH! I GUESS PRECEDENTS FOR SOME SORT OF LIGHTING FOR THAT AREA. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU CONSIDER THAT THEIR THEIR KIDS AND KIDS DO DIFFERENT THINGS. WHATEVER AND THERE'S AN FENCING IS, YOU KNOW DIFFICULT TO CLIMB. BUT THAT'S AN I THINK IT'S AN ODD SORT OF STRUCTURE. THEY JUST HAVE IN THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ALMOST LIKE AN EMPTY SWIMMING POOL. IT'S A VERY DEEP, UNDERSTOOD, MR BATTLE. THIS IS IT'S A COMMON DESIGN WITHIN THE AREA TO MONTGOMERY CROSSING HAS DESIGNED THAT SITE THAT HAS A 12 FT RETAINING WALL IN A BASIN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MULTI FAMILY BUILDING. THAT'S OVER THERE. VILLAGE VILLAGE SHOPPERS HAS A 16 FT, HIGH RETAINING WALL WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING HOUSES OVER. THERE ARE THE MULTI FAMILY WHATEVER THEY GOTTA PUT. THOSE ARE LIGHTED IN THIS AREA. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A COMMON BUT NONE OF THEM ARE LIGHTED AT ALL. LIKE YOU. CAN'T YOU JUST YOU JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S A 60 FT.

DROP COMING OF THEM ARE LIKE THEY JUST HAVE THE FENCING THE PROTECTION FENCING TO PREVENT FALLS IN OF THAT NATURE. YEAH HE DROPPED OVER 30 INCHES HAS TO BE PROTECTED BY OFFENSE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. SO. PRETTY MUCH HAVE FENCING AROUND. MOST OF THIS REGION IS THE PA GRAFFITI IS IT VARIES GREATLY, AND THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY RIGHT HERE IS THE TRANSITION BETWEEN ROUTE 206 AND EVERYTHING THAT THAT'S TO THE WEST SPECIFIC PROPERTY HERE.

THAT'S WHY IT'S UNIQUE RIGHT IN THIS LOCATION, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN ON OTHER PROPERTIES, AND THEY USE THE SAME SOLUTION FOR THEIR FOR THEIR DESIGNS. YES. OKAY? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST A SAFETY TO ME. IT'S OUR RESIDENTS , SO WE CARE. I UNDERSTAND. I THINK MR BLOGGER MADE A GOOD

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VERY SAFE IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION. DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE? WHERE, LIKE, IS IT? THE WALL? CLEARLY THE PROPERTY GOES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS THERE DO HAVE ONE. CAN WE PULL THAT DOWN SO WE CAN SEE IT? HIS CHILDREN AND RENDERING THE OKAY. JUST JUST.

SO THAT FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE THAT KIND OF BURNED THOSE TREES THERE? YEAH, YEAH, EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND THAT KIND OF TRANSITION BERM UP TO THE EASTERNMOST WALL OF THE BASIN. AND THE INSIDE. PART OF THE WALL IS ONLY 4 FT. FROM SIDE THAT SIDE OF WALL, ACCORDING GREAT. SNUBBED AT THE DEPTH IS READY RETENTION BASIS WHERE THEY BUILT ON THE BUILDING SIDE IS WORTH 11. THE PRODUCT OF THE PARKING LOT IS GETS TO BE NINE. SO THEORETICALLY, A KID COULD JUMP OVER THE EASIEST LOOP. FENCE. GET ONTO THE LOWER 4 FT WALL. WALK ALONG THAT CEMENT.

AND JUMP DOWN THERE IF HE FELT LIKE IT BECAUSE DEFENSES ON THE BUILDING SIDE THE 6 FT MAN.

ANYWHERE. IT'S MORE THAN 30 INCH DROP. THERE'S A FENCE FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND ALL THE EXECUTIVES. COMMENTS ON YEAH. YES, I MEAN, I FOR ONE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THIS APPLICATION COME IN TWO FORMS 11 WITH 22 BUILDINGS ON THIS PROPERTY, ONE OF THE SAME SIZE. LET'S DO THIS WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING AND EVERYTHING AND MUCH MORE OF A STAGGERING DROPS. AND THERE WAS ALSO A I KNOW IT'S NOT A PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE BOARD, BUT I'M GIVING YOU CONTEXT. THERE WAS ALSO A MEDICAL BUILDING.

ALSO ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WAS WHICH WAS PUSHED IN THE SIDE. I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN QUITE GRACIOUS AND KIND OF BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY COULD HAVE PUSHED THAT APPLICATION TO US AND. THAT'S A SEPARATE BOARD. I MEAN, THIS IS A BRAND NEW APPLICATIONS EDUCATION. I'M JUST GIVING YOU CONTEXT, I THINK BECAUSE I THINK THAT I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT STRIDES TO BETTER THIS PROPERTY AND TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON ITS TUESDAY IT IS PART OF THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE. IT CAN BE DEVELOPED AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WE CAN'T WE CANNOT DENY THAT. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE MADE UM UH, CONCESSIONS ABOUT THE ABOUT THE BRICK ALONG THE FRONTAGE IS GREAT. I THINK THAT'S ALSO APPEALING. I MEAN, IT COULD. IT COULD BE BETTER. I THINK IT COULD BE RED BRICK. IT COULD BE COLORS, BUT UM, I THINK I THINK I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT. I MEAN, YES, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE VARIANCES UNDER POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CRITERIA, AND BUT I THINK THAT THEY'VE MET THE STANDARDS IN MY BOOK THAT I WOULD VOTE YES, FOR THIS APPLICATION. SO I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE VARIANCES ONE BY ONE, BECAUSE I DON'T I MEAN, BUT THIS IS THE THIS IS THE ONE CHANCE WE GET FOR BOARD DISCUSSION. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH I'M JUST SAYING, I'VE BEEN ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT I THINK POSITIVE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET MINIMIZATION IF NOT ZERO. NEGATIVE CRITERIA CAN CONDITION ON ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE WILL SPECIFY. UM, I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE. MY IN MY OPINION, ALL ALL THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET, TOO. IT'S A GREAT PEOPLE HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON A LOT OF THE THINGS AND I'M CONCERNED THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR. WE KIND OF GO BETWEEN. WELL IT'S HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING ON THE BACK. BUT WE REQUIRE THAT IT LOOKS GOOD ON ALL SIDES. AND IF ANYTHING, THIS DOES NOT SO IT DOESN'T READ THAT . UM, I STILL THINK THAT'S A BIG WALL WITH A BIG FENCE ON IT. THAT IS A VERY LARGE THINGS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF PERSONALLY, I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT I MEAN, I'M I GUESS.

GLAD THAT THEY WENT FROM ONE. THEY MADE SOME CONCESSIONS, BUT THIS IS A BRAND NEW APPLICATION

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BECAUSE AND WHEN YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND GO OUT THERE AND YOU'RE WALKING IT WAS CLEAR WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE SO AND KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD NEED ALL SORTS OF VARIANCES BASED ON THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THEM AND CONSIDERATIONS NOT A CHILD DIDN'T FIX THOSE THINGS. SO, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VARIANCES THAT WE WOULD THE ONE WE'VE GOT THE C ONE IN THE SEAT TWOS. IF YOU IF YOU WANTED I THOUGHT MENTIONED AGAIN. WE UNDERSTAND THIS. WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS. WHERE? HAVING A BOARD DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. NO YOU MAY NOT. WE'RE HAVING A BOARD DISCUSSION HAS ACTUALLY I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF GIVING MY THOUGHTS AND THEN YOU CAN TALK.

UM. OBVIOUSLY, I'M CONCERNED WITH. THE WALL, THE HEIGHT KIDS, ETCETERA, BUT I GET IT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TAKING EVERY POSSIBLE UM EVERYWHERE YOU CAN TO MITIGATE THAT. UM BUT WHAT I KEEP COMING BACK TO IS WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ABOUT USING STOCK UP AND FORGET THE DEFINITION OF STUCCO. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE. AND STUCCO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DESIGN ACCENT. SO YOU'RE ASKING US FOR A PRETTY BIG VARIANTS? ON SOMETHING THAT YES, YOU MADE AN ACCOMMODATION ON THE FRONT. WE HAVE THREE OTHER SIDES THAT FACE . WELL, TWO OF THE SIDES AT LEAST AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, I THINK FACE A VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT OF MUCH DARKER, NON STUCCO. HOLMES. SO WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA STICK OUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T BLEND IN TO THE REST OF THE AREA. AND LIKE IT OR NOT, IT IS ALL STUCCO ON THREE SIDES, AND THE ORDINANCE SAYS NO. SO THAT THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S A PRETTY BIG ASK IN MY EYES FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT. SO AND THE FACT THAT YOU CAME PREPARED TO SHOW US BRICK ON THE FRONT MEANS THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A CONCERN BECAUSE IT WASN'T DISCUSSION IN THE PREVIOUS THINK WE'VE SUPPORTED OUR VARIANT. BUT OKAY ACCOMMODATION TO THE BOARD. ON THE MOST VISIBLE SIGN. 518. WELL I WOULD SAY THAT THE MOST VISIBLE SIDE OR TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS PEOPLE DRIVING BUYING CARS. BIG DEAL. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WALK THIS AREA EVERY DAY AND LIVE AND LOOK AT IT. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BRICK. THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN INSULIN TOWN SAYS HAS TO BE AN ACCENT.

NOT A PROBLEM. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT. THIS AFTER OCCASION. NOT ONLY IS IT PERMITTED USE IT'S. MUCH LESS INTENSIVE USE OF THE SITE, AND WE COULD HAVE PROPOSED. MUCH ONE CERTAIN. THERE WERE 3955 IS PERMITTED.

BUILDING COVERAGE. HAD A MUCH LARGER BUILDING ALMOST TWICE AS LONG AS WELL. YOU WE'RE AT 13 GOING TO 20. SO I THINK IN THIS ISN'T UNUSUAL. EVERYBODY HERE AGREES. LITTLE PIECES OF PROPERTY IN TERMS OF TOPOGRAPHY. THE ISSUE OF THE RETAINING WALL. YOU HAVE WALLS LARGER. ALL THROUGHOUT. THESE GUYS ARE SEALING THE PLANS. YOU DON'T HAVE EXPOSURE. THEY HAVE AN EXPOSURE IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH SAFETY. THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT EXPOSURE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T CARE ABOUT EXPOSURE. I MEAN, YEAH, EVERYBODY'S INSURED EVERYBODY. WE'RE OPERATING THIS WE OPERATE 36. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE WE LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN CHILDCARE, AND WE DECIDED TO DO IT THAT SAFELY AS POSSIBLE, AND IT'S A VERY, VERY NECESSARY THING IN THIS WORLD. I GET IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR

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WELL THE COLOR THE COLOR NEVER REALLY CHANGED ON THE ROOF. OKAY, IT'S STILL A SHINGLED ROOF. I THINK IT'S A GRAYISH. COLOR. WHAT WHAT? WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK WILL DO THE BATTLE ROOF THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING ON THE FRONT AND THERE'S LITTLE PEDIMENTS AROUND THE SIDES AND REAR. I THINK THAT'S GONNA LOOK FANTASTIC. I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T QUITE LOOK LIKE I'M TRYING TO ENVISION IT FROM THE SIDE. I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT THE OTHER SIDES BECAUSE IT ALL SIDES. ALL SIDES THIS WAY. THE MATERIAL THAT COMES DOWN AT THE LOWEST LEVEL WITH THE CHILDREN COME OUT. THERE'S A SMOOTH FACE CITING, BUT IT'S CEMENT BASED. IT'S HARDY PLANKS, HARDIE SIDING OR IT'S A SEAMAN TISH ISSE MATERIAL. MR FEINBERG, THE FRONT WOULD BE BRICK. NO NO, NOT THE WHOLE THING. WE'RE GOING TO PUT GO BACK TO THE STONE WATER TABLE ON THE FRONT. WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE STONE IN THE MIDDLE GOING UP. TWO STORIES AS YOU SEE IT ON THIS EXHIBIT. AND THEN, UH, THE THAN ANYTHING THAT'S STUCCO ON THE FRONT WILL BE NOW HARDIE SIDING OR CEMENT VICIOUS SIDING.

WE STOPPED THE STONE AT THE FRONT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT ON THE BOTTOM AROUND THE THREE SIDES. THAT WILL ALL BECOME SEMEN OFFICIOUS, CITING ALL THE WAY AROUND NO VARIANTS AT ALL REQUIRED FOR A STEP UP. VARIANCES ELIMINATED. THERE YOU GO. DID YOU SAY THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SO THE BRICK IS GOING AWAY. TOTALLY OKAY. AND DID YOU SAY THE STONE WOULD BE LIGHTER THAN WHAT WE ARE SEEING THIS COLOR? BECAUSE THAT'S HIS TYPICAL COLOR AND WHAT THE SIDING WILL BE, IS THAT IT WILL BE THE COLOR OF THE STUFF OF THE STUFF. AND SO HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HIS IMAGE AND NOT IMAGE IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE PERCEIVE IT, BUT HE HAS YOUR CORPORATE BRANDS . WE BREAK AT IT, GET IT. AND THIS WAY, YOU KNOW, HE WILL HAVE THAT LOOK. AND YOU HAVE TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO SELL. IT'S NOT STUCK OVER. NOT THAT YOU KNOW, THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE STUCK UP. OKAY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY KAREN, DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE EMOTION TO APPROVE OR TONIGHT? WAS THAT THE C WONDER THE SEATS THAT ONE WAS TO SEE WONDERS. THE WHICH WAS STUCK UP TO TWO. OKAY, THAT DOWN. ALREADY. SO. A MOTION TO APPROVE. WOULD I GUESS, FIRST START WITH THE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING GRANTED. AND BUT AND

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AREA EQUIPMENT DISTANCE TO OTHER STRUCTURE, 15 FT. THE PLATE TO EQUIPMENT DISTANCE TO OTHER STRUCTURE. 11.7 FT. BASKET BASKETBALL COURT DISTANCE TO OTHER STRUCTURE NINE POINT FEET.

FUNNY ACCESSORY STRUCTURED FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR THE HOT BOX. I HAVE 30 FT. THE PLAY EQUIPMENT STORAGE OUTSIDE THAT NEEDS A VARIANCE. UH NO LOADING SPACE WILL BE A CROP WILL BE PROVIDED THAT NEEDS VARIANCE. DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WITH STEEP SLOPES VARIANTS. THE RETAINING WALL, WHICH. I UNDERSTAND WILL BE 11 FT AT ITS HIGHEST POINT, AS MEASURED FROM THE BASIN FLOOR.

AND. THE VARIANCE FOR THE BUILDING FACING TWO STREETS. WITH ONLY ONE SHALL WE SAY, FRONT ENTRANCE, BUT WE DON'T NEED THAT. WITH DIFFERENT ENTRY. INTERESTINGLY THERE IS WHAT I HAVE AS THE REQUIRED VARIANCES IN DESIGN WEAVER FOR THE PARKING STALLS, WHICH WOULD BE 9 FT. BY 18. FT ACTUALLY DON'T NEED TO DO THAT, OKAY? OKAY? SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR VARIANCES IS THAT I JUST HAD SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS. OKAY? SO THE FIRST QUITE AREA WAS 13.5 FT. I THOUGHT YOU SAID I DID SAY 30. I THINK I WROTE. I WROTE THESE DOWN. I THOUGHT DURING TESTIMONY, BUT, UM I'M READING. FROM MY LIST, WHICH WAS FROM MY NOTICE OF PUBLIC PERIOD. I HAD 13.5 FT ON PLAYER, EVERYONE. I HAD 15 FT. EVEN WHEREAS 20 FROM PARK PLAY AREA TO 11.75 FT. OKAY BASKETBALL COURT 9.5 C. THE HOT BOX IS ACTUALLY 34 FT. NOT 50 FT. I THINK THERE WAS JUST CHECKING. LOVE LOADING AREA WE ARE HAVING IT'S COMMITTING A LOADING AREAS IN FRONT OF THE THAT'S IT. EXTENSION. COMING FROM MY CHANGES, PROVIDING IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY STILL NEED A VARIANCE, THEN? YES, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WAS JUST, UH. MENTIONING THE ONES THAT I HAD DIFFERENT NUMBERS FOR UNDERSTAND SEPARATE LOADING LIKE THERE'S A GENERAL LOANING AREA REQUIREMENT FOR NON RESIDENTIAL USES. AND THEN THERE'S A SPECIFIC ONE FOR DAYCARES. YOU MEET THE SPECIFIC ONE FOR THE DAYCARE. THEY NEED ONE FOR THE GENERAL NONRESIDENTIAL VOTING SPACE REPORTERS. YEAH LOCATION. THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE REQUIRE IN THE BACK AND THEY'RE PUTTING IT IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? NOW IN TERMS OF THE DISCREPANCY WE HAVE IN THE ACTUAL, UH. DISTANCES WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THE 13.2 FT. FOR THE INFANT PLAY . I PROBABLY GOT THIS FROM THE CLARK KATE IN THEM. OH, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOTICING SAYS YEAH, I HAD 35. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE. I HAVE 13.2. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TAKE THE 13.2. BUT I YOU KNOW, IT'S WHATEVER MY BACK AND MY 0.3 INCHES OFF. CAN WE AGREE THAT I MEAN, IF THE BOARD WORD ACT FAVORITE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN JUST CHECK THESE AGAINST THE PLANS AND MAKE SURE THAT EXCUSE ME. THE RESOLUTION HAS THE. ALRIGHT SO WELL, I GUESS WHAT WE WHAT EMOTION WOULD SAY IS THAT PRECISE DISTANCES ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION, WHICH. WELL, I MEAN, PRECISELY BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS. IT'S NOT GOING TO COME BACK AT 4. FT RIGHT? CORRECT? YEAH CORRECT. REALLY. BETWEEN THOSE JUST GRANTED 4 13.2 UNLESS THERE'S AN

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THE APPLICANT WILL ADD ADDITIONAL GROUND COVER. SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF OUR.

LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE VICE CHAIR MADE DURING OUR HEARING. SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDING MID BLOCK CROSSWALK AT THE INTERSECTION OF TOMORROW'S DRUGS AND BREAKFAST AWAY. THE APPLICANT WILL REVISE. YES AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS FENCING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. I THINK MR FEINBERG HAD MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT THAT . AND I WRITE ABOUT THAT. YEAH.

THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THAT. AND THE OTHER. GET ON THE PARKING LOT. OKAY REMEMBER KAREN AND AN INTERRUPT YOU WHEN YOU STEP TO THE MID BLOCK CROSSWALK IS ON BREXIT. NELL WILL SAY OPPOSITES. OPPOSITE THEIR SITE, ACCESS OR PROXIMATE TO THEIR SITE ACCESS. ALRIGHT HERE.

APPLICANT WILL ADD BALLERS LIGHTING SO THEIR DRIVEWAY ON BREXIT AWAY AND AT PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK. AND WHAT I HAVE HERE IS A LONG THEY'RE FRONTAGE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE BOARD, ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER. NOW. I BELIEVE, THOUGH THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST THAT IT'S GONNA GO ALONG THE S CURVE TO THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, WHICH I GUESS IS GOING TO REQUIRE NOW TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN A MUNICIPAL RIGHT AWAY. YEAH WITHIN THE SITE TRIANGLES. THE LENGTH OF THE APPLICANT WILL

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THE. APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE A STONE WALK TABLE ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING WITH HARDY PLANKING ON ALL. FACADES. IN SO WE STAY IN THE TAN COLOR. OKAY CAN WE GO BACK TO THIS ONE WITH THE, UM THE JOE FISHER RUINED WOULD APPROVE IT, HE WOULD RECOMMEND IT TO ORANGE OR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER. CORRECT YOU'RE NOT APPROVING IT PERSONALLY, YOU'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEER OR WHAT? THAT'S, HOWEVER, THE BOARD WANTS TO HANDLE IT. IF YOU WANT MY RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO MARK, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. YEAH. OKAY, OKAY. CREDIT. YEP. YEAH. I DID. I THOUGHT I SAID THAT THAT IT IS I SAW THAT SUBJECT TO THE TENSION COMMITTEE APPROVAL. AND THE SAME THING RIGHT WITH THE BOLLARD LADIES. SAME THING.

ALRIGHTY SO THERE WILL BE THE STONE LOG TABLE IN THE FRONT FACADE WITH HARDY PLANKING ON ALL OF THE SODS. IN COLOR, WHICH IS DEPICTED IN THE EXHIBIT. 11. THE SAND COLOR. THE APPLICANT.

CAN YOU. I THINK YOU SHOULD SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE IT'S HIS ONLINE TOO, AS WELL. SO INSTEAD OF USING THE WORD HARDY GENERIC TERM OF CEMENT FISHES SIDE SAY THAT AGAIN, WE SHOULD USE THE GENERIC TERM SEAMAN'S VICIOUS SIDE. WHEN WE FACE TRUE, SUCH AS SUCH AS YEAH, 70 DIFFERENT MANUFACTURE. THE LOOKING FOR SUCH AS HARDY PLANK OR APPROVED EQUAL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. OKAY, WHO'S APPROVING THE EQUAL? I'M SORRY. WHO WHO'S GOING TO APPROVE THE EQUAL THAN IF WE'RE PUTTING APPROVED PEOPLE? I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT, OKAY? I THINK, TOWNSHIP IT I THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATION HAS COME TO THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER. OF COURSE, WHATEVER. WHATEVER YOU GUYS DO, JUST ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT WILL ADD SHUTTERS AND BRACKETS.

TO THE SIDE AND WE'RE ELEVATIONS WHICH EXPOSED TO THE STREET. THEY WILL CENTER. THE ROOF PEEK OVER THE CENTER WINDOW ON THE REAR FACADE. THEY WILL. YEAH I THINK I THINK I SAID THAT. YEAH.

YOU KNOW THAT THEY WILL EXTEND THE PENT ROOFING OVER THE DOORS. ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT REAR ELEVATIONS. AND I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS METAL BLACK ROOFING. WHAT? WHAT IS BEING DONE WITH

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WE AGREED TO PROVIDE FLUSH CURVE AT THE AT THE ENTRANCE. OKAY? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE ALLUDING TO AS WELL AND THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE. OUR STAFF FOR BOARD HAS ANYTHING ELSE. YES SHOES. FIRE CHIEF. YEP. WE HAD AFRICAN VISION. OKAY SO GIVEN ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT KAREN JUST SAID, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? THE APPLICATION WILL MAKE A MOTION TO IMPROVE THE APPLICATION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL. SECOND BROKEN, PLEASE. YES. LARGE IT KEENAN. NO. MONEY. YES. ROBERT. SING. YES. YES. KHAN. YES, CAMPUS? YES. THANK YOU. FUTURE MEETINGS. SHERRY THE 22ND OF JANUARY AS OF RIGHT NOW IS, IS CANCELING SCHEDULED. VERY GOOD TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. YEAH TO ADJOURN. YOU HAVE A SECOND. OH OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE, WE ARE ADJOURNED

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