Dec 11, 2023 Planning

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, LAWYER, UM, THIS IS A UM MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD. UM MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY. REGULAR MEETING. DECEMBER 11TH 2023 7 O'CLOCK, OKAY, SEVEN O'CLOCK. IT IS OUR INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. AND UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS, ACT NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. AND WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES UM, CAMPUS. ROBERTS? YES. BATTLE. HERE. HAMBLETON. KEENAN HERE.

MONEY. MATTHEWS. TODD. GLOBULAR. HERE. KHAN. CASEY HERE. PRESENT. RIVOLI. HERE. FISHING, ER ALONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND DON, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG? YEAH. ONE NATION UNDER GOD. INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. ALL RIGHT, UM, OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ANY ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA. UM SUBJECT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS AND OR Q AND A TO FIVE MINUTES UM, WHEN PROVIDING COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR FOR AN APPLICATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU PREFER NOT TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS. PLEASE ADVICE. WHICH MUNICIPALITY YOU LIVE IN. THANK YOU. YOU NONE. UM WE WILL

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IT'S IN THE HIGHWAY, UM, COMMERCIAL ZONE AND. THE APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UM AS INDICATED WE'RE SEEKING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER. FOR CHILDREN BETWEEN THE AGES OF SIX WEEKS AND EIGHT YEARS. UM WE TALKED

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OTHER APPROVALS ARE APPLICATIONS PENDING BEFORE SOMERSET COUNTY PLANNING BOARD SOMERSET UNION UNION SED ER CC, UM. WE ALSO HAVE PENDING APPLICATIONS TO NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WATER AND THE MONTH SUMMARY YOUR DEPARTMENT OR DIVISION WERE MARKING WITH THEM AS WELL. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EXHIBITS. SOME OF I THINK THEY'VE BEEN PASSED OUT TO YOU, BUT THEY'RE ALSO ON THE MONITORS WE HAVE RECEIVED. SIX REVIEW MEMOS. UM I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE WE HAVE. WELL. HEAR ABOUT THEM DURING SOME OF THE TESTIMONY. WITNESSES THAT WE ALL HAVE IN OUR DIRECT CASE, OR ENGINEER JEFF HABERMAN. UM ARCHITECT BILL FEINBERG. OUR PROJECT PLANNER.

UM, JIM KYLE. AND JUST BEFORE HIM KEVIN SAVAGE OR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. UM SO. UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. I DON'T THINK YOU WILL, BECAUSE MY PRESENTATION WAS PRETTY GENERAL ASKED THAT MR HABERMAN COME FORWARD, BE SWORN IN AND THEN I'LL QUALIFY HIM AND WE CAN GO THROUGH HIS TESTIMONY.

MR HABERMAN. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. RIGHT JEFF. BY WHOM ARE YOU EMPLOYED? IN? WHAT CAPACITY? IS THAT? YEAH THIS ON YES. GOOD EVENING. NAME IS JEFFREY HABERMAN, EMPLOYED BY DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS. I'M A PRINCIPAL AT MY FIRM. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND MY LICENSES AND GOOD STANDING. AND YOU PREVIOUSLY APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD. I HAVE NUMEROUS TIMES. RECENTLY WITH THE TERRIBLE, UH, AMENDED MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN MONTGOMERY CROSSING. UM MADAM CHAIRMAN. WE OFFER JEFF AS A EXPERT IN CIVIL ENGINEERING. ABSOLUTELY WE

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GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD COUNCIL, FELLOW PROFESSIONALS TO BEGIN. I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT OUR FIRST EXHIBIT HERE TO THE BOARD. IT'S ENTITLED AERIAL MAP EXHIBIT. AND IT'S DATED MAY 23RD 2023. THE DEBATE THE A ONE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THIS EXHIBIT HERE IS PREPARED BY MY FIRM, DYNAMIC ENGINEERING. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU SEE, HERE IS AN AERIAL OVERVIEW OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL OUTLINED IN YELLOW IN THE CENTER OF THE PAGE LABEL. THIS P I Q AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, INTO ORIENT THE BOARD. THE NORTH ARROW IS TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE, WHICH WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE SAME PLANE RENDERING WHICH I'LL PRESENT NEXT. UM IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT. PARCEL IS THE PRACTICAL WAY RIGHT AWAY.

UM, AS I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL AWARE THAT'S CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED, UM, AND PLAN TO BE TURNED OVER TO THE TOWNSHIP SHORTLY BY THE DEVELOPER CHARBEL. UM TO THE NORTH OF BRACKNELL. WAY IS THE MONTGOMERY CROSSING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST ARE A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES, INCLUDING THE VACANT AUTO SHOP, WHICH WAS JUST RECENTLY DEMOLISHED GAS STATION AND THE VILLAGE SHOPPERS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS FURTHER TO THE NORTH. TO THE SOUTH IS THE GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS COUNTY ROUTE 518 WITH AN AGRICULTURALLY USED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PARCEL. INTO THE WEST ARE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT'S TO THE WEST OF BRICK. NO WAY. ON THE SITE ADDRESSES 982 GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE AND IS LOCATED OFF OF THE WESTBOUND SIDE OF COUNTY ROUTE 518. WITH THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FUTURE, BRACKNELL RIGHT AWAY. THE BLOCK IS AS MENTIONED IS BLOCKED 28010 AND LOTS OF 57 AND 58. THOSE TWO LOTS COMBINED FOR A TOTAL OF 2.046 ACRES IN SIZE. THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE TWO LOTS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. UM AS MENTIONED. THE ZONE IS IN THE ZONE IS THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE. IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.

WHAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING WITH THE DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS UP FROM GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. THE REMAINDER OF THE LOT IS PREDOMINANTLY OPEN SPACE AND SOME WOODED AREA ALONG THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THE PARCEL. JUST TO MENTION THIS PORTION, AND THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED, BUT A PORTION OF THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE SITE WAS DEDICATED TO MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. UM, TO, UH AS PART OF THE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION FOR THE BRICK. NO WAY. UM, CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION. UM QUICKLY ON THE GRADING OF THE SITE. SO THERE THERE ARE LIMITED AREAS OF STEEP SLOPES ON THE SITE FOR MY CALCULATION THAT ACCOUNTS FOR ROUGHLY 4500 SQUARE FEET, 4500, WHICH IS ABOUT 5% OF THE SUBJECT, PARCEL. IT WAS STEEP SLOPES ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING DWELLING INTO THE

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FT GRADE DROP ELEVATION FROM WEST TO EAST ACROSS THE PROPERTY. THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY IS 267 FT. SO IF YOU ACCOUNT FOR AN AVERAGE, UM OF THAT SLOPE IT ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 8% 8% AVERAGE DROP ACROSS THE SITE. UM SO THAT PRESENTS THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY UNIQUE PART OF THE SITE AND IT TIES INTO HOW WE GRADE THE SITE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE FILLED TO BRING THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS UP TO GRADE AND I'LL TOUCH ON THAT SHORTLY. UM IT'S ALSO INTERESTING THAT THIS PROPERTY ITSELF HAS THAT TYPE OF GRADE BECAUSE ALL THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. THE COMMERCIALS. LOTS DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF GREAT CHANGE. THIS IS REALLY LIKE THE GREAT TRANSITION BETWEEN ROUTE 206 AND THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE FURTHER TO THE WEST. YOU EVEN SEE THAT AS YOU GO FURTHER TO THE NORTH TOWARDS VILLAGE SHOPPERS THEY HAVE RETAINING WALLS ON THEIR SITE THAT ARE UPWARDS OF 15 TO 16 FT. IN HEIGHT. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A RIDGE LINE THAT COMES FROM GEORGETOWN.

FRANKLIN RUNS NORTH RIGHT THROUGH THE THIS PARCEL AND THROUGH THE EDGE OF THE VILLAGE SHOPPERS, SO IT DOES HAVE A AN IMPACT ON HOW THIS SITE CAN BE DESIGNED FOR REALLY ANY DEVELOPMENT, UM AND USER. UM AND LASTLY, ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS ON SITE THAT'S IN TERMS OF WETLANDS OR FLOODPLAINS. SO TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PAGE. IT'S RIGHT HERE. THIS WILL BE OUR NEXT EXHIBIT. I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IT'S ENTITLED SITE PLAN, RENDERING ALSO PREPARED BY MY FIRM, DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS. AND IT'S DATED TODAY. DECEMBER 11TH 2023 EXHIBIT A TWO IN THIS CASE, TOO.

YEP. THANK YOU. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A COLORIZED VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PACKAGE TO THE PLANNING BOARD. UM THE NORTH AREA AGAIN IS TO THE NORTH PART OF THE PAGE. UM IN TERMS OF THE COLORS. THE BUILDING ITSELF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE IS THE ORANGE COLOR THE GRAY AREAS OF THE PAVEMENT PARKING LOT. UM AND THE GREEN IS THE VARIOUS OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPING THAT THAT, UM SURROUNDS A LOT AND ON THE NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE LOT IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN. SO MY OFFICE HAS BEEN RETAINED BY THE APPLICANT TO REVIEW THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND PREPARE THIS, UH, PARTICULARLY SLIGHTLY OUT FOR THIS SIZE SCHOOL, UM, OR CHILDCARE CENTER, IF YOU WILL, UM, WHICH IS DEMONSTRATED ON THIS EXHIBIT HERE. PREPARATION OF THE DESIGN. I HAVE BEEN TO THIS SITE ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS I'VE REVIEWED THE TOWNSHIP LAND USE ORDINANCE. MY OFFICE PREPARED THE SURVEY FOR THE PROPERTY. UM AND WE'VE ATTENDED SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE TOWNSHIP. THE SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FROM THE BORDER. UH CERTAIN BOARD MEMBERS IN THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS INTO THIS DESIGN. BUT THAT SAID, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, ALONG WITH BULK VARIANTS, RELIEF AND DESIGN WAIVERS TO DEVELOP A LOT WITH A STANDALONE MALVERN CHILDCARE CENTER, WHICH IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE.

THE CHILD CARE CENTER WILL PROVIDE CARE SERVICES FOR CHILDREN RANGING FROM SIX WEEKS TO EIGHT YEARS IN AGE. BETWEEN INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF. IT'S A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. UM THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS 5666 SQUARE FEET, AND THE TOTAL GROSS FLOOR AREA BETWEEN THE TWO STORIES IS 11,332 SQUARE FEET. ON THE TWO SIDES AND AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ITSELF IS THE

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BECAUSE THEY ARE A FIXED TO THE GROUND THAT'S PURSUANT TO THE DEFINITION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. AND THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES A SEPARATION DISTANCE OF 20 FT FROM AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. THE MALVERN SCHOOL ITSELF. UM SO FOR THAT REASON FOR THOSE STRUCTURES, THREE PLAY STRUCTURES AND A SHADE STRUCTURE ARE LOCATED WITHIN THAT 20 FT. SEPARATION REQUIREMENT, UM, ARE WITHIN 20 FT TO THE BUILDING. SO WE, WE ARE SEEKING FOR SEPARATE VARIANCES ONE FOR EACH STRUCTURE , AND WE'LL DETAIL THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. UM JUST A NOTE NOTE ON THIS, AND THIS WILL BE PROVIDED IN PLANNING TESTIMONY.

BUT THERE'S STILL A IT OF THESE STRUCTURES ARE CRITICAL FOR THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY. UM THEY'RE THEY'RE PLACED IN A WAY THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND SAFE FOR THE CHILDREN TO GET FROM THE ENTRANCES OVER TO THE PLAY EQUIPMENT AND FOR STAFF AND THE CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE SAFE ACCESSIBILITY. THESE UM THESE STRUCTURES ARE SITUATED FOR THAT REASON. UM BUT THERE'LL BE PLANNING TESTIMONY TO DETAIL TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON THAT ITEM. UM SO WITH SOME FACTUAL INFORMATION TO WITH REGARDS TO THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE, UM FROM AN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE PERSPECTIVE, THE REQUIREMENT. THE MAXIMUM REQUIREMENT IS 55% THIS LAYOUT PROPOSES 39.2. IN TERMS OF THE FLOOR AREA RATIO ZONE PERMITS A MAXIMUM OF 20% OR 0.20, WHEREAS 13% OR 0.13 IS PROPOSED WITH THIS SITE LAYOUT. SO THIS LAYOUT IS WELL BELOW THE COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, BOTH FROM AN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS FROM A BUILDING COVERAGE PERSPECTIVE.

UM ON TOP OF THAT, THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE THE CHILDCARE CENTER ITSELF IS SET BACK SUBSTANTIALLY FURTHER THAN ONE IS REQUIRED FROM THE SIDE. SORRY FROM THE REAR YARD THAT'S ON THE EAST.

AND FROM ALL THE FRONT YARDS, UM THIS SO THE BOARD IS AWARE THIS THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT HAS THREE FRONTAGE IS ONE ALONG GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN ON THE SOUTH. AND TO TECHNICALLY FOR BREAKFAST, ELWAY, WHICH IS TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTH, SO THOSE ARE ALL FRONT YARDS, AND THE SCHOOL IS SITUATED SIGNIFICANTLY BACK FROM THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK. AND FURTHER INTO THE PARKING LOTS. THE PARKING LOT ITSELF IS ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED PARKING SETBACK. FROM AN ACCESS PERSPECTIVE. SO ACCESS IS PROVIDED BY WAY OF A SINGLE FULL MOVEMENT. DRIVEWAY FROM BRACKNELL WAY. IT'S LOCATED. ALMOST CENTRAL TO THE SITE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO ROUTE 518, WHERE THE CURSOR IS INDICATING. UM AS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE BREAKING AWAY IS CONSTRUCTED, UM AND ANTICIPATED ANTICIPATED TO BE TURNED OVER TO THE TOWNSHIP SHORTLY. UM, CERTAINLY IT WILL HAPPEN PRIOR TO THE MALIBU IN SCHOOL GOING INTO OPERATION. NO WAY ITSELF CAN BE ACCESSED BY WAY OF ROUTE 206 TO THE EAST OR FROM GEORGE TOM FRANKLIN TURNPIKE TO THE SOUTH. THIS ACCESS DRIVEWAY AND ALL INTERNAL DR ISLES ARE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL VEHICLES THAT WILL POTENTIALLY CIRCULATE THE SITE THAT INCLUDES YOUR EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND E. M S. IT INCLUDES REFUSE PICKUP TRUCKS.

DELIVERY BOX TRUCKS. AS WELL AS THE OCCASIONAL SCHOOL BUS AND THEY ACCESS THE SITE SO ALL THOSE VEHICLES CAN SAFELY MANEUVER THE SITE. THE INTERNAL DRIVE. I'LL IS A COUNTERCLOCKWISE ONE WAY OPERATION. AND THE DRIVE WITH THE DR ISLES RANGE BETWEEN 22 TO 24 FT INSIDES, WHICH IN WIDTH, WHICH IS COMPLIANT WITH THE TOWNSHIP CODE. FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS A TOTAL OF 51 PARKING STALLS, WHEREAS 45 ARE REQUIRED PER THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE. THIS INCLUDES TWO HANDICAPPED STALLS AND TWO ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STALLS. WITH THE INTENT OF MAKING ONE OF THOSE ELECTRIC VEHICLES CHARGING STALLS IN 88 ACCESSIBLE SPACE, WHICH WE WOULD ADDRESS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THAT WAS A REVIEW COMMENT IN THE TRAP BOARD TRAFFIC ENGINEERS REVIEW LETTER PRETENDING TO THE PARKING WE ARE REQUESTING DESIGN WAIVER RELIEF. UM FOR THE SIZE OF THE STALL. THE TOWNSHIP CODE REQUIRES A

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UM, AND IT'S GRADED AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE A D A STANDARDS. THERE ARE A FEW CROSSWALKS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. ONE CROSSWALK IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF PREGNANT AWAY IN GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. WHICH IS SHOWN ON THIS SITE PLAN, RENDERING. THERE'S ALSO A PUBLIC SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF BRACKNELL WAY, UM, TO MENTION THAT SO THERE'S A CROSSWALK TO PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. TO THE WEST SIDE OF BRACKNELL WAY. THERE'S ALSO A CROSSWALK PROPOSED. AT THE INTERSECTION.

IT'S NOT LABELED HERE. BUT THIS IS TAMWORTH, WHICH TAMWORTH DRIVE, WHICH IS FURTHER TO THE NORTH AT THIS INTERSECTION THAT PROVIDES PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACROSS BRACKNELL WAY TO GET TO THE NORTH, AND THAT FURTHER PROVIDES PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO THE VILLE SHOPPER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO THE TO THE EAST INTO MONTGOMERY CROSSING, WHICH IS TO THE NORTHWEST. NOW WE DID, UM, I WE DID ATTEND THE SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION COMMITTING COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK AND, UM WE WERE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OPTIONS. OTHER OPTIONS TO PROVIDE CROSSWALKS. ONE THOUGHT WAS TO PUT TWO WHAT'S TO STRIPE ACROSS WALK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE . A SECOND CROSSWALK IF YOU WILL , UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION OF TAMWORTH AND BRACKNELL WAY. SO THAT WILL PROVIDE DIRECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO MONTGOMERY CROSSING WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS THE ROAD TWICE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION TO ADD ONE CROSSWALK, AND WE WOULD WE WOULD AT THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. PERTAINING TO LOADING THERE IS A DESIGNATED LOADING ZONE IF YOU WILL THAT'S LOCATED ON THE ADJACENT TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT'S STRIPED AT 9, FT BY 99 FT. AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY REALLY FOR BUS DROP OFF ACTIVITIES, WHICH ARE WHICH WILL BE VERY INFREQUENT AS WELL. AS FOR SMALL DELIVERIES. UM I MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT THE ESSENTIALLY FOR ALL DELIVERIES WILL WILL BE HANDLED BY BOX TRUCKS OR AMAZON VANS. SUPPLIES WILL BE BE DELIVERED TO THE SITE ONCE EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS. UM AND. DELIVERIES FROM AN AMAZON VAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A COUPLE OF DAYS EVERY ONCE EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEY WOULD THEY WOULD MANEUVER INTO THE SITE AND, UM, LOAD RIGHT FROM THERE FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. UM. WE ARE SEEKING VARIANTS RELIEF FOR HAVING THE LOADING ZONE SIMPLY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND NOT AT THE REAR AND SIDES OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS OR INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR CODE, WHICH IS MORE A FUNCTION OF THE OPERATION OF THE USE ITSELF. FROM A TRASH SORRY FROM A TRASH MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. THIS DESIGN PROPOSES A ONE SINGLE TRASH ENCLOSURE. THAT'S 10 FT.

WIDE BY 10 FT DEPTH. IT'S A LITTLE IT'S PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF A MASONRY, SPLIT BLOC IN HEIGHT AND LOCATED AT THE SOUTH EASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT. AGAIN THAT THAT TRASH ENCLOSURE WILL BE BUFFERED BY. YOU KNOW, I'LL SPEAK TO LANDSCAPING SHORTLY, BUT IT'LL BE BUFFERED BY EVERGREEN TREES ALONG THE FRONT OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPE PERM. AND. THAT WON'T YES. REALLY, UM AND THE APPLICANT WILL HIRE PRIVATE HAULER WHICH WILL BE CONTRACTED TO PERFORM THESE PICKUPS DURING OFF PEAK HOURS. UM SO SPEAKING.

YEAH. GOING BACK TO A LITTLE BIT ON THE EARTHQUAKE AND GRADING OF THE SITE. I HAD SPOKEN TO HOW THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE IS VERY UNIQUE TO THIS PARCEL WITH THE 21 FT DROP. IT'S A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY IN THIS SPECIFIC PORTION OF THE TOWN. UM SO THAT PREVENT PRESENTS A UNIQUE CHALLENGE WITH WITH REGARDS TO HOW WE CAN GRADE THE SITE, HOW IT CAN BE FILLED.

UM TO ACCOMMODATE REALLY ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE. AND IT'S A DIRECT FUNCTION OF SOME

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UM THE DESIGN WILL PROVIDE ADEQUATE SOIL EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THE SITE IS STABILIZED ONCE THE STEEP SLOPES ARE REMOVED, AND THE SITE IS GRADED UM, AS WELL AS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT MEASURES, WHICH ARE ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH LOCAL AND STATE REGULATIONS. THE GRADING DESIGN WAS PREPARED TO, UM, WAS PREPARED BY USING SOUND ENGINEERING PRACTICES AND THE PAVEMENT AND IN THE LAWN AREAS.

AND THE RESULTING PLAN NECESSITATES THE IMPORT OF SOIL OF FILM MATERIAL TO THE SITE, WHICH WE HAVE CALCULATED TO BE ROUGHLY 7500 CUBIC YARDS OF MATERIAL. THE OTHER VARIANTS. UM . ELSE THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO IS WITH REGARDS TO THE RETAINING WALL NETWORK THAT WE ARE PROPOSING ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT RETAINING WALL IS THE GRAY COLOR THAT'S SITS ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. A MAJORITY OF THE RETAINING WALL IS ACTUALLY 45 FT IN HEIGHT, SO NOT NOT TOO SUBSTANTIAL, BUT THE SECTION THAT WE ARE REQUESTING VARIANCE RELIEF FOR IS 11 FT. IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE RETAINING WALL THAT SITS WITHIN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN. SO WHICH PART IS ONLY 4 FT, WHICH IS 11 FT. UP TO WHAT PART SO THE RETAINING WALL CLOSER TO THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS ALL BETWEEN 4 TO 5 FT. IN HEIGHT HERE. THAT ONE IS WORTH 5 FT. AND IT'S THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S 11. THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT HERE IS 11 FT. NOW 6 FT. OF THAT RETAINING WALL AND MY OFFICE. WE DID PREPARE LINE OF SIGHT PROFILES THAT THAT I'LL PRESENT SHORTLY WITH 6 FT. OF THAT RETAINING WALL IS ACTUALLY BURRIED IF YOU WILL, UM , INTO THE STORM WATER BASE, AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY SITS BELOW GRADE, UM, BELOW THE GRADE OF THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ABOUT 6 FT. SO YOU PROBABLY YOU CAN ONLY REALLY SEE 5 FT. OF THE TOP OF THAT, RETAINING WHILE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, BUT I'LL SHOW AN EXHIBIT TO HELP CLARIFY THAT. I THINK THE VISUAL ALWAYS TENDS TO HELP WITH THAT. UM WITH THAT I I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHOW THEM NOW.

ACTUALLY THAT WOULD I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE. UM, WE DID PREPARE FIVE SEPARATE SITE PROFILE EXHIBITS, THEY'RE LABELED A THROUGH E FIVE SHEETS. UM THEY SHOW ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PROFILES FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES OF THE SITE. AND I ASSUME WE WOULD MARK THIS AS EXHIBIT A THREE THROUGH A EIGHT OR JUST A THREE FOR ALL FIVE SHEETS. THREE. YOU SAY THROUGH EXHIBIT DEEP. HEY, PHONE. IT'S A . THREE SO THESE THESE EXHIBITS HAVE DIFFERENT ORIENTATIONS.

BASED ON WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THE PROFILE. UM THEY'RE ALL DATED DECEMBER 11TH ALSO PREPARED BY MY FIRM THIS FIRST ONE HERE, WHICH IS SITE PROFILE EXHIBIT A SHOWS THE PROFILE VIEW FROM THE GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE RIGHT OF WAY. UM THE NORTH ERAS TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE IN THIS INSTANCE, SO THE PLAN IS TURNED CLOCKWISE. UM THIS SHOWS THE PROFILE VIEW OF VEHICLE DRIVING ALONG GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING, LOOKING IN, UM, ONE OF THE NICE FEATURES THAT WE DID WORK OUT WITH THE TANTRA PROFESSIONALS. THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM AT A STATE PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING WAS TO PROVIDE A NICE LANDSCAPE PERM IN FRONT OF THE SITE AND NATURALISTIC BERM. THAT'S 3.5 FT TO 4 FT. TALL. WHICH WILL HELP TO SHIELD VEHICULAR CLAIRE FROM FROM ANY PART IN, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES I MIGHT USE THAT FROM PARKING ROLE FACING TOWARDS GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE.

AND ON TOP OF THAT 3.5 TO 4 FT. HIGH BERM. WE'RE PROPOSING STAGGERED EVERGREEN TREE ROW SO THAT FURTHER HELPS TO SCREEN THE VIEW FROM GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. THE SIZE WOULD AT TIME OF PLANTING WOULD BE AROUND 6 TO 7 FT IN HEIGHT. AND THEN THESE, THEY'RE THEY'RE AMERICAN.

HOLLY'S SO THEY GROW IT. QUITE A GOOD CLIP. UM SO WE WOULD WE WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD, UM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL HEY, IT WOULD BE. BUT EVEN AT THIS WHAT THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS IS THE

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YES YES, THERE'S A 3.5 FT. 2 4 FT HIGH BURN THAT'S PROPOSED IN FRONT OF GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE FIRM IN FRONT OF OR BEHIND THE THERE'S THAT WALL. SURE SO THERE BECAUSE OF THE GRADING OF THE LAND. UM WE ARE PROPOSING A SMALL 3 FT RETAINING WALL ALONG GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE THAT SITS INTERNAL TO THE SITE, SO IT'S IT. SO YOU WILL NOT SEE THAT RETAINING WALL FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PROFILE HERE. THERE ARE ALL STATE BOARD, RIGHT? THIS IS SITE PROFILE B. I'M JUST ESSENTIALLY SHOWS THE PROFILE VIEW FROM BRACKNELL WAY NEAR THE DRIVEWAY. LOOKING INTO THE SITE, YOU COULD SEE HOW THE GREAT CHANGE OCCURS COMING DOWN INTO THE SITE, SO THE BREAKING AWAY IS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE BUILDING ABOUT 6 TO 7 FT. HIGHER AT THAT EXACT POINT. AGAIN THIS IS A PROFILE OF YOU LABELED A C AGAIN FROM BRACKNELL WAY, BUT THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BRACKNELL. WAY AGAIN. THIS TIME NORTH ARROW IS POINTING TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE. UM NEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH TAMWORTH. SO THIS SHOWS THE VIEW OF A VEHICLE FROM BRACKNELL WAY LOOKING INTO THE SITE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE PLAY AREA IS. SO I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT VIEW HERE. SITE PROFILE D, WHICH SHOWS THE PROFILE VIEW FROM THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, UM, LOOKING TOWARDS THE EASTERN FACADE OF THE MALVERN CHILDCARE CENTER. THIS PROFILE HERE SHOW IS RIGHT THROUGH THE RETAINING WALL SECTION AND ONE OF THE ITEMS OF SPEAKING TO IS HOW THERE'S A STORMWATER DETENTION BASIN IN THE NORTHEASTERN CORNER OF THE SITE. SO THIS IS THE 11 FT WALL THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING ITSELF. ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT STORM WATER BASIN CLOSER TO THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF A BERM SO THAT BASIN SITS ABOUT 5 6 FT, LOWER THAN THE TOP OF THAT BERM ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, SO YOU SO REALLY LOOKING INTO THE SITE? YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO REALIZE THE FIRST I SHOULD SAY THE BOTTOM. UM 6 FT OF THAT WALL APPROXIMATELY, AND THAT'S WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UM, ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY LINE. AND THEN THE LAST EXHIBIT HERE. THE LAST PROFILE HERE IS SITE PROFILE EXHIBIT E, UM AGAIN. SAME ORANGE NORTH IS POINTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE HERE JUST SHOWS AGAIN. THE RETAINING WALL PROFILE OR THAT SIGHTLINE PROFILE TOWARDS THE RETAINING WALL. THAT'S FOUR OR 5 FT. HIGH UM, NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

AGAIN WE HAVE EVERGREEN TREES THAT ARE PLANTED IN FRONT OF THAT RETAINING WALL TO SCREEN IT FROM VIEW FROM THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. UM SO FROM A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. THE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION. UM, JUST AS THE GIRL WITH THE GRADING OF THE LAND OF MAJORITY OF THE PARCEL, IF NOT ALL THE PARCEL DREAMS FROM WEST TO EAST TOWARDS THE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED TO THE EAST. UM IT'S UNCONTROLLED SHEET FLOW, UM, ONTO THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RUNOFF ULTIMATELY, ONCE IT ONCE IT FLOWS ONTO THE EASTERN PROPERTY DOES MAKE ITS WAY TO THE BRICK. NO WAY. ROADWAY SYSTEM, WHICH HAS AN EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PIPING SYSTEM. SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE DID IN PREPARING THE STORMWATER DESIGN WAS REVIEWING THE EXISTING SOILS OF THE SITE TO UNDERSTAND THE PERMEABILITY RATES, THEIR SEASONAL HIGH GROUNDWATER THAT WE WOULD ENCOUNTER AND NEED TO DESIGN FOR AND WHAT WE ACTUALLY FOUND WAS THAT THE SOILS ON SITE HAVE VERY, VERY LOW PERMEABILITY RATES, WHICH IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR INFILTRATION. UM AND THAT'S PRETTY COMMON IN THIS IN THIS PART OF THE TOWNSHIP, UM, FOR MONTGOMERY CROSSING. SAME THAT 30 ACRE DEVELOPMENT NO PERMEABILITY, WHICH IS WHY THAT DEVELOPMENTS DESIGNED WITH WITH WEAPONS THAT CAN HOLD WATER. SO FOR THAT REASON WHAT WE DID WAS

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IN ADDITION TO THAT, BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE MAIN CONNECTION TO THE BUILDING. THE WATER UTILITY COMPANY WHOSE NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WATER REQUIRES AN ABOVE GROUND HEATED, UH, STRUCTURE TO HOUSE THE MEETING OR EQUIPMENT AND THE FIRE FLOW EQUIPMENT. UM THAT HOT BOX I HAD MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY IS LOCATED CALLED THE HOTBOX. IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTH EASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S ROUGHLY 34 FT FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE THAT IS CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. SO WE ARE SEEKING VARIANTS RELIEF FOR THAT HOT BOX LOCATION. AND THIS IS REALLY DICTATED BY THE UTILITY COMPANY, THE LOCATION OF THE HOT BOX, BUT WE ARE PROVIDING AGAIN. YOU KNOW THE SCREENING IN FRONT OF IT, LANDSCAPE SCREENING AND A BERM TO HELP BUFFER THAT FROM FROM THE VIEW OF GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. IT'S AN ELECTRIC SERVICES WILL BE ALSO CONNECTED TO THE PUBLIC FACILITIES IN THE GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE RIGHT AWAY. FROM A LIGHTING PERSPECTIVE. UM, IT'S DESIGNED TO COMPLY WITH THE ILLUMINATION REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SET FORTH IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE. UM AS WELL AS ALSO IT ALSO ALIGNS WITH THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT THAT ALIGN WITH THE ILLUMINATION FOR ENGINEERING SOCIETY. UM THE GOAL IS TO MINIMIZE OFFSITE GLARE TO ANY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. AND UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE ENSURING SAFE, SAFE AND SECURE CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE FOR PEDESTRIANS, SANFORD VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. UM ALL ON SITE LIGHTING IS LED LIGHTING WHICH IS AN ENERGY EFFICIENT TYPE FIXTURE, AND ALL THE SITE LIGHTS ARE DOWNWARD, FOCUSED AND RECESSED. THE COLOR TEMPERATURE IS 3000 KELVIN, WHICH IS THAT THAT WARMER YELLOWISH GLOW. UM IN LIEU OF THE BRIGHTER COLORS, WHICH WHICH ARE MUCH MORE GLARING. UM. IN TOTAL. THERE'S 11 CITE POLLS ON SITE. UM THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY WITH AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT. AND THERE'S 16 FT IN HEIGHT, WHEREAS 20 FT IS REQUIRED BY THE RNC, THEY'RE BROUGHT DOWN IN SCALE A LITTLE BIT. ALL THE LIGHTING AVERAGES IN THE PAYMENT AREAS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN ORDINANCE, AND THERE'S ZERO SPILL OVER TO THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, AS WELL AS TO ANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEYOND BRACKNELL WAY OR GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. AND ONE OTHER NOTE ON THAT AS WELL. THE LIGHTING WILL BE ON TIMERS, SO THEY'LL THEY'LL BE TURNED OFF AFTER BUSINESS HOURS, WHICH IS AROUND SIX O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. UM FROM A LANDSCAPING PERSPECTIVE. I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LANDSCAPING GOING THROUGH THE PROFILES. UM BUT TO TOUCH. TOO BRING IT BACK TO THE EXISTING TREES ON SITE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXISTING TREES AND THIS THIS PROPOSALS ON DOES PROPOSED TO REMOVE A MAJORITY OF THOSE TREES. UM, WE DID LOOK AT REVISING THE SITE PLANS AND IN THE LAST SUBMISSION, WE DID PRESERVE A FEW OF THE TREES. ONE WAS A 36 INCH CALIPER, WHICH IS

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THE MONUMENT SIGN IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY. IT'S 23 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE 6 FT HIGH AND SET BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. 10 FT, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE.

THE BUILDING MOUNTAIN SIGN IS ON THE SOUTHERN FACADE OR THE FRUIT ABOVE THE FRONT ENTRANCE. THAT SIGN IS 24.94 SQUID, 94 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, WHEREAS A MAXIMUM OF 35 37.5 SQUARE FEET IS ALLOWABLE, SO THAT IS ALSO COMPLIANT WITH THE TIME SUBORDINATES. AND I BELIEVE MR PETRINO MENTIONED THE OUTSIDE HIS AGENCY APPROVALS. BUT JUST TO REITERATE WE DO HAVE SOMERSET UNION SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT CERTIFICATION. WHICH IS DATED SEPTEMBER 19TH. WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM THE DELAWARE RAIRDEN KINDA CANAL COMMISSION THAT ESSENTIALLY HAS NO COMMENTS ON THE TECHNICAL DESIGN THE STORMWATER DESIGN. THEY DID APPROVE IT. UM WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE TOWNSHIP RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL IF IT IS APPROVED TO PRESENT THAT TO STAFF TO GET TO FORMALIZE THEIR APPROVAL. THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY DIRECT TESTIMONY. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THE BOARD. OR YOU MAY HAVE I HAD A QUESTION. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? SURE I, UM YOU YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE GRADE CHANGE THE DROP OFF, UM, ON THE SITE, AND YOU SAID THAT IT EXTENDS FARTHER NORTH. BUT YOU ALSO SAID THAT IT WAS ARTIFICIAL ON THE SITE, SO I THINK IT MUST BE PART OF A NATURAL GRADE CHANGE. THAT OCCURS, YOU KNOW, UM GEOLOGY, WHATEVER. UM I HAVE ONE GOING THROUGH MY PROPERTY, TOO. UM AND SO IT MAYBE THERE'S SOME NATURALLY OCCURRING. UM UM, STEEP SLOPE IN THERE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, UM THE PRESIDENT GROUND COVERS IN THERE IS A LAWN, IS IT? UM. UH GROUND COVER. IS IT BARE SOIL, IS IT

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SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. I WAS SPEAKING TO THEIR, UM SO YOU DON'T THINK MAYBE THEY JUST CHOSE THAT SPOT FOR THE HOUSE OR BECAUSE IT WAS HI. UM. I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW THAT HOUSE WAS IS.

I THINK IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE FIFTIES OR BEFORE THAT, SO I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I'M SURE IT WAS PROBABLY A HIGHER PORTION OF IT. BUT EVEN THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL HAVE TO LEVEL OUT PIECES OF LAND AND CHASE GRADE BACK DOWN INSTEAD OF DISTURBING MORE LAND GOING OUT AND CREATING A SHALLOW , MORE SHALLOW OR ORANGES WERE DIFFERENT. THEN THEY COULD HAVE JUST MADE IT REAL STEEP RIGHT AFTER IT INSTEAD OF EXTENDING THAT SLOPE DOWN, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COVER IS THE EXISTING COVER. I'M WONDERING IF IT'S YOU KNOW IF IT CAN SUPPORT A LAWN OR OR IF IT'S EASILY ERODE HERBAL, AND THEY CAN'T HAVE A LAWN THERE OR WHAT? WELL.

I'M. I KNOW THAT THE EXISTING COVER IS GENERALLY WHAT WE CLASSIFIED IN THE STORMWATER REPORT TO IS OPEN SPACE LAWN AREA. UM AS YOU GET FURTHER TO THE EAST SIDE. THERE'S UNDERBRUSH. THERE'S TREES, UNDERBRUSH, PRETTY PRETTY DENSE UNDERBRUSH AND VINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT YOU KNOW, AROUND THE HOUSE ITSELF, THE DRIVEWAY LEADING UP TO IT. I'VE WALKED IT. IT'S REALLY LONG COVER, UM EVEN ON THE STEEP SLOPES. YES, YES, ON THE STEVE SOLVES. YEAH. INTERESTING. THANK YOU ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONDUCT? I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DISCUSS. THE PLAY AREAS, AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE VARIANCE AND IF I'M TOO EARLY AND IT'S GOING TO COME UP AT SOME POINT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND THE STRUCTURE IS BEING CREATED OR DESIGNED IN THE WAY THEY WERE. SURE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PLANNING TESTIMONY. IT WILL BE. UM THIS IS THIS IS HOW THEY OPERATE THE MALVERN CHILD CARE CENTER THAT THIS IS THEY HAVE OVER 20 SCHOOLS. UM FEW IN NEW JERSEY AND SURROUNDING STATES. AND GENERALLY THIS IS THE LAYOUT THAT THEY DESIGN. UM FROM AN ACCESSIBILITY PERSPECTIVE, COMING INSIDE OF COMING FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING TO THE PLAY AREAS. UM YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, EVEN DOWN THE STREET, THE GUARD AT SCHOOL, UM, DIFFERENT ZONE. I DON'T HAVE THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENT. THEY HAVE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE JUST AS CLOSER CLOSER TO THE BUILDING TO THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. SO INTERESTING THOUGHT THERE. UM IT'S. IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THERE. WHY THESE SCHOOLS HAVE THEIR PLAY EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, AT THE LOCATION THAT THEY ARE NEAR THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS OF THE BUILDING, BUT MR HABERMAN NEEDS THE SMOOTH GREEN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE THE PLAY STRUCTURES. WHAT'S THAT SERVICES THAT LAWN? IT'S AN ARTIFICIAL LAWN. IT'S IMPERMEABLE SURFACE OR STORMWATER CAN INFILTRATE INTO THE GROUND. PERMEABLE BUT ARTIFICIAL. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOESN'T THAT CAUSE SKINNED KNEES AND RUG BURN WHEN SOMEBODY FALLS. UH I WOULD. I WOULD NOT THINK SO. THIS IS JUST THE SPECIFICATION THAT THEY'VE USED AT ALL THEIR THEIR CHILDCARE CENTERS. I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO GO WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL IF IT WAS AN ISSUE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE STEPPED ON THEIR OTHER SCHOOLS AND WHAT THEY'VE USED I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WHAT IS THE AGE GROUP? PHYSICAL. WHAT IS THE AGE GROUP OF KIDS COMING TO THE SCHOOL? SO THE YOUNGEST IS SIX WEEKS IN A JUDGE YOUNG THAT YOUNG YES, AND THE OLDEST IS EIGHT YEARS. HMM. YEARS.

AMAZING. MR CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTING. UM THE ONLY THE ONLY WRITING IS THAT 11

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THERE. THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC STREET LIGHTING AT ALL ALONG BRECHT, ELWAY. OR OR IS THERE AND JUST NOT INCLUDED IN THIS? PLAN. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY STREET LIGHTING ALONG BREAK.

NO WAY. I KNOW THAT AT THE TIME THAT BRACKNELL WAY WAS DESIGNED. MY FIRM WAS INVOLVED WITH IT. UM TOWNSHIP REALLY ONLY WANTED TO HAVE LIGHTING AT THE INTERSECTIONS THE CRITICAL INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE OF THE DARK SKIES POLICY. THEY DIDN'T WANT THE ENTIRE ROADWAY TO BE LIT UP AT NIGHT. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, UM UM YEAH. OKAY UH, I'M GONNA ASK OUR ENGINEERING QUESTION LATER. I GUESS WHEN BUT THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT. THIS WON'T BE OPERATING AT NIGHT. WAS IT? CAN YOU SPEAK FOR THE SCHOOL? 6:30 A.M. TO 6 P.M. 630 A M TO 6 P.M. OK, HMM? HMM. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS IN THAT PARKING LOT AT ALL. THERE ARE LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT. YEAH WHERE THEY SEE HIM, OKAY. RIGHT JEFF. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT THE BOARD IS DONE. UM MR FISHING . VERY HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU ONE. DON'T WE SWEAR IN ALL OUR PROFESSIONALS NOW THAT WAY, YOU CAN MAKE COMMENT WHENEVER YOU WANT TO. MR DORJI. MR. CLAVEL MR. BARTOLOME MR FISHING, OR DO YOU SWEAR? AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. RIGHT JEFF? JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. UM I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU SAID YOU'D HAVE SOMEBODY FROM OPERATIONS TESTIFY OR NOT. DO YOU KNOW IS WILL FOOD BE PREPARED ON SITE WILL BE BRINGING IN TRUCKS WITH FOOD EVERY DAY OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? NOW. THAT UH, IF THE OPERATIONS TEAM WOULD CORRECT ME IF I WAS WRONG, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT NOW, FOOD WON'T WILL NOT BE PREPARED ON SITE THEY'LL HAVE THE KIDS WILL HAVE THEIR LUNCH BOX OR WHATEVER KIDS BRING THESE DAYS. YEP AND THEN YOU MENTIONED D N R. CANAL COMMISSION AND SOIL EROSION. WHERE DO YOU STAND WITH COUNTY APPROVAL? YES GREAT COMMENT, UM, THE COUNTY APPROVAL . THEY ISSUED A REVIEW MEMORANDUM BACK IN AUGUST. OR SEPTEMBER. SORRY, AND WE HAD RESUBMITTED OUR PLANS BACK TO THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, SO THEY'RE STILL IN REVIEW WITH THE COUNTY. WE BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THEIR REVIEW COMMENTS ARE JUST WAITING FOR THEIR RESPONSE. SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. UM KIND OF PLANNING BOARD TO THAT REGARD IF I'M READING THE PLANS CORRECTLY, THERE'S ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF YOUR FRONTAGE ON 518 IS CURBED. ANY OTHER THIRD IS NOT DID THE COUNTY HAVE COMMENTS OR CHANGES TO THAT REGARD, AND IF YOU HAD TO CURB THE WHOLE FRONTAGE? HOW DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR SAFE PLAN? OR DOES IT CHANGE IT? IF WE HAD TO CURB THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE. WE COULD CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE THAT. I THINK YOU KNOW THE GREAT COMES UP AS IT COMES TO US A PROPERTY LINE AND THEN IT GOES BACK DOWN A LITTLE BIT, SO I THINK WE COULD. WE COULD WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND CURB THAT, IF IT WAS REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY BUT DID I HEAR CORRECTLY AT THIS POINT HAS THE COUNTY ASKED FOR TO CURB THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE. I DO NOT BELIEVE BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REFLECTED ON THIS. THIS REVISION. I COULD CHECK BACK INTO THAT, UM I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER 100% ON THAT, THOUGH. IT'S MORE CURIOSITY AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION. YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY ASK YOU TO? YES. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. JOE IS THE IT'S THE FRONTAGE ALONG GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE.

THAT'S NOT CURBED. THERE'S LIKE TWO THIRDS IS THAT WHAT IF YOU LOOK ON THE EXHIBIT? THAT'S ON THE SCREEN? I GUESS JEFF'S PROBABLY GOT THE POINTER. FROM ABOUT WHERE HE'S GOT THE POINTER TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS NOT SHOWN TO BE CURBED THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ITS CURB, THEY'RE BRINGING THE CURB AROUND. WHY THAT PROBABLY 200. FT SECTION ISN'T CURBED IS WHAT I WAS ASKING. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT BECAME , IS IT SINCE THIS THAT IS COUNTY JURISDICTION? CAN WE IMPOSE THAT AS A CONDITION? I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE NOT NOT SAYING. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN IMPOSE IT. UM BECAUSE IT'S THE JURISDICTION OF THE COUNTY.

AT LEAST YOU CAN REQUEST IT TO SAY IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT THAT THEY CAN CERTAINLY OFFER TO

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THEY'RE POOR MICROPHONE. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. MICROPHONES ARE TERRIBLE, PROBABLY ME. UM BUT I ALL I SAID WAS THAT IT COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNTY SINCE IT'S THEIR JURISDICTION. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR HABERMAN. DID YOU SPEAK TO THE HEIGHT OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OR WILL YOUR ARCHITECT SPEAK TO THAT I HAVE AND YOUR RESPONSE LETTER. YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO LET US KNOW YOU WOULD TESTIFY TO THOSE SITES, WHICH JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE INITIAL APPLICATION. SURE I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE ARCHITECT THAT COOL. OKAY THANK YOU. WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT TO SHOW THAT ECHELON, ROBERT PRESTON AND LANDSCAPE I HAVE A VERY MINOR LANDSCAPE ISSUES IN MY NOVEMBER 21ST MEMORANDUM AND SOME OF YOU TO ADDRESS THOSE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. YES ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN THANK YOU. SINCE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY I MEAN, I THINK THE EXPECTATIONS WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE EVERYBODY'S EVERYWHERE THROUGH THEM ALL. THE JUST REAL QUICK.

THERE'S A AND I THINK MR HABERMAN REALLY TESTIFIED TO JUST ABOUT ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE REQUESTED TESTIMONY TO IN OUR REVIEW MEMO. UH IT'S 11 ITEM THAT I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED OFFLINE. JUST WANT TO GET CONFIRMATION. UH THIS PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE MOST CURRENT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT RULES, WHICH. THE BIGGEST CHANGES THE DESIGN FOR PROJECTED RAINFALL EVENTS. ARE YOU ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WITH THIS DESIGN, JEFF? YEAH GREAT POINT.

MR. DARCY WE ARE THIS DESIGN ALREADY DOES MEET THE PEAK FLOW REQUIREMENTS FOR IT. UM, WE CAN WHAT WE ALREADY RAN THE CALCULATIONS FOR IS PROVIDING A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THE OLIVE CONTROL STRUCTURE TO MEET THE INTENT FOR THE PROJECTED STORM EVENTS AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT CALCULATION IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. IT'S A VERY, VERY MINOR CHANGE. THE FOOTPRINT WILL NOT CHANGE THE BASE IN ITSELF. GREAT AND OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK ALL THE ENGINEERING ITEMS MR HAGEMANN'S GIVE A PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE TESTIMONY THAT COVERED JUST ABOUT ALL ALL THE ITEMS WE REQUESTED, BUT I'M HERE ALL NIGHT FOR ANY QUESTIONS. I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. MR CHAIRMAN THAT THE AREA OF RIGHT I THINK THIS MIGHT BE WHAT THE CHAIRWOMAN WAS WAS GETTING AT.

THE AREA RIGHT NORTH OF THE BIO RETENTION BASIN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN FILLED BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF DIRECTIONAL WAY. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHY IT'S SUCH A DISCONTINUOUS KIND OF LIKE JARRING DROP OFF FROM THERE? IN THIS SECTION OVER HERE. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH.

THAT HMM. THAT'S I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WAS A PORTION OF BRICK. NO WAY CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T BELIEVE OKAY. IT'S JUST CURIOSITY. I GUESS MY QUESTION REALLY IS. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IT BACK INTO TWO TO THAT SPOT THAT YOU CREATE THE RIDGE THERE OR TO AVOID HAVING THAT STEEP DROP OFF CLOSE TO THE ROAD. SO INTERESTING ENOUGH. THIS PORTION HERE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO EXISTING GRADE. WE'RE MEETING. UM WE'RE GRADING THE LAND, SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. THE EXISTING GRADE. SO UM WE'RE JUST RE VEGETATED AND PUTTING A STRONGER EVERGREEN BUFFER THERE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL DENSE UNDERGROWTH AND TREES THAT AREN'T YOU KNOW, THE MORE SUBSTANTIAL ONES THAT ARE ON SITE, SO WE'RE CLEANING UP PUTTING IN. YOU KNOW THE NEW EVERGREEN BUFFER IN THAT AREA, BUT THIS IS ALL PRETTY CLOSE TO EXISTING GRADE WHAT IT WILL BE IN THE PROPOSED GRADE IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND BECAUSE THERE IS NO THERE'S NO BACKFILL REQUIRED FOR THIS UNDER THIS.

DESIGN THERE WAS IN THE PREVIOUS ONE OF THE THOUGHT THERE WAS THERE'S NO BACKFIELD, BUT THERE'S IMPORT REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT LIKE IMPORT OF SOIL TO BRING THAT. I'M SORRY. YEAH.

HOW MUCH WAS THAT? ONLY 500. GREAT. THANK YOU. JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BUT THAT'S. LESS THAN THE PRIOR PROPOSAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, SO, YES, IT'S LESS, AND IT'S LESS RETAINING WALL SUBSTANTIALLY LESS RETAINING WALL TALES, SO IT'S BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING IS CENTERED. IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE HIGH POINT OF THE SITE, WHEREAS THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE PRIOR APPLICATION WE'RE CLOSE TO THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, SO THERE'S A LOT MORE BACKFILL AND HEIGHT OF WALL ALONG THERE. THIS SEEMS LIKE A MUCH MORE NATURAL. SETTING THAN THE PRIOR

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THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR HAMMERMAN. I'D ASK OUR ARCHITECT TO COME FORWARD. THANK YOU QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR HAVEN. YOUR NAME? WILLIAM FEINBERG. FBI N B E R G. AND DO YOU SWEAR FROM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. MR FEINBERG, WHAT'S UM, BY WHOM ARE YOU BORED AND WHAT CAPACITY HAMBURGER AND ASSOCIATES LOCATED. 1010 HADN'T FEEL BERLIN ROAD FOR EASE IN NEW JERSEY. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY. UM WHAT'S YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND AND WHAT LICENSES DO YOU HOLD IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY? RECEIVED MY BACHELOR OF ARCHITECTURE FROM DREXEL UNIVERSITY IN 1989, LICENSED ARCHITECT IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY IN 1990. THREE AND LICENSING ABOUT 14 OTHER STATES ON THE EAST COAST AND MIDWEST.

AND YOUR LICENSE IN NEW JERSEY IS STILL IN GOOD STANDING. YES, IT IS. YOU HAVE APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD, MOST RECENTLY ON THE MONTGOMERY CROSSING APPLICATION, RIGHT AND TAPESTRY AMONG GONNA MARIE HILLSIDE OF MONTGOMERY IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT AT HILLSIDE. UM. WE OFFER MR FEINBERG AS AN EXPERT IN ARCHITECTURE. WE ACCEPT MR FEINBERG AS AN EXPERT IN ARCHITECTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM. WELL, I KNOW SOME OF THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

ARE. SIGNED AND SEALED BY AN ARCHITECT FROM ARIZONA, RICHARD CLUM, AND YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM. AND REVIEWING HIS PLANS AND HAVE SUBMITTED SOME OF YOUR OWN AS WELL. BUT CAN YOU JUST TAKE US THROUGH? AH I KNOW HE'S AUTHORIZED YOU TO TESTIFY ON HIS BEHALF. BUT CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM? SO RAY CLUM AND I HAVE, UH CORRESPONDED THE, UM E MAILS AND WITH VIRTUAL MEETINGS FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SMITING THIS EVENING. UM I'VE ALSO HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANT AND MR CLUM TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE BUILDING OPERATES, UNDERSTAND THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS, SECURITY ACCESS CONTROLS MATERIALS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.

AND THE SYSTEMS. AND YOU WERE INVOLVED IN OTHER MALVERN SCHOOL APPLICATIONS IN NEW JERSEY. I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THEM. ROBBINSVILLE ROBBINSVILLE, THAT'S CORRECT. UM. SO AND YOU WERE PRESENT AT THE DECEMBER 5 TRC. YES, I WAS WANT TO START THERE. AND SURE ABOUT THAT MEETING AND WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP AT THAT HEARING, SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME UP AND IF WE CAN GO TO THE ELEVATION YEAH. WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY MR CLUM SHOWED THAT THE A FOUR. THIS IS FOR THE WHICH WHICH DRAWINGS? ARE WE MARKING THOSE A FOUR, WHICH WHICH DRAWINGS ARE REMARKING IS A FOUR. YEAH THIS IS SHEET A 2.1 . IT'S A DRAWING DATA 10 4 23 BY RAKELL, UM ARCHITECTS AND THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION. THANK YOU. WHO DURING OUR MEETING ON THE FIFTH WAS BROUGHT TO OUR

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UM THOSE TWO ARE LINED UP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. WE HAVE AN ISSUE THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION. LET ME JUST GO TO MY PLAN. WE HAVE A CONFIGURATION OF LOCKERS AND, UM, DIFFERENT ROOM CONFIGURATION OF THE UPSTAIRS VERSUS THE DOWNSTAIRS BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE IN CERTAIN TYPES OF CLASSROOM SPACES DEPENDING ON THE AGE AND THE USE OF, UH, UPSTAIRS IS OUR PRE K AND R PRESCHOOL DOWNSTAIRS OR TODDLERS INFANTS, SO THERE'S A THERE'S A RECODE REQUIRE FOR MORE WINDOWS ABOVE A CLASSROOM THAT'S ON THAT SECOND FLOOR. SO WE COULDN'T ACCOMMODATED TO BE EXACTLY SYMMETRICAL SO AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND THE PLAY STRUCTURES. SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE OBSTRUCTED AND THE FENCE THAT GOES AROUND THE ENTIRE PLAY AREA. MR. CASEY CAN WE MARK THIS EXHIBIT A FIVE? YES. NOW FOR OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THE FIFTH OF THE CONCERN THAT CAME BACK FROM THE TOWNSHIP PLANNER WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR A VARIANCE WHICH WILL STILL NEED REQUIRING OFFSETS, UM IN ELEVATIONS BY USE OF OVERHANGS, BALCONIES SEWN AND SO FORTH. UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE CLASSROOM USE, WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED TO WHAT WE CAN DO SO WE SAID THAT ON THE DOORS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE REAR ELEVATION THE BOTTOM THERE ARE PENT ROOFS OR SHED ROOFS THAT HELPED THE BREAKUP VISUALLY, THE SIDED THE TWO SIDE ELEVATION, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ADDED TO THIS ELEVATION FROM THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION. THE THIRD ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING OUR MEETING WAS THE LOCATION OF GROUND BASED H V. A C COMPRESSORS AND I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. SO MY OFFICE COORDINATED WITH JEFF'S OFFICE, AND I THINK THAT'S EXHIBIT A TWO AND WE'VE LOCATED THE GROUND BASED, UM,

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DETECTORS WITHIN THE DUCTWORK OR USUALLY ARE LOCATED AT THE FIRST OUTLET FROM THE H V. A C SYSTEM WHICH WILL SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN ESSENTIALLY OF CARBON MONOXIDE BUILDS UP GOOD. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED ONE MORE ITEM AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP WITHIN THE PREMIER TOWNSHIP PLANNER WAS THAT THE. PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WILL BE PERMANENTLY AFFIXED AND IT WILL HAVE SHADE STRUCTURE. I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE SHADE STRUCTURES.

SO WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE EXHIBIT OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? THAT'S IT. OKAY SO THIS IS JUST ROLL IT UP. THIS IS SHE. SHE A 0.3. THIS IS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, AND IT WAS PRODUCED BY FEINBERG AND ASSOCIATES. IT'S MY OFFICE JUNE 20TH 2022. TRIP. SO ON THIS EXHIBIT. THERE ARE THREE PLAY AREAS, THERE'S THE TODDLER PLAYGROUND, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S THE INFANT AND THAT'S AT THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER. THE PRESCHOOL PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS THAT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND THEN WE HAVE THE INFANT PLAY EQUIPMENT THAT'S LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE. SO, UM THE LOWER HIDE EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS REALLY THE INFANT, A TODDLER, THE TWO ON THE LEFT TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THAT CANOPIES, 8 FT. THE CATA PE ITSELF IS 2. FT UH, FOR THE, UH, PRESCHOOL. THAT'S A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE IT HAS STEPS UP SO AND IT HAS THE SLIDING BOARD COMING DOWN. SO THAT'S 12 FT TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE CANOPY OR 14 FT TO THE TOP OF IT, AND IT'S LIKE AN UMBRELLA TYPE STRUCTURE. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED AS PART OF OUR MEETING ON THE FIFTH. I CAN EXCUSE ME.

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THAT'S OUR MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING LOTS. ALSO OUR ABILITY WHERE SECURITY THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE WITH WINDOWS LOOKS OUT INTO THIS VEGETABLE PARENTS HAVE TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE CLASSROOM. THEY HAVE TO BE LET INTO THE BUILDING THROUGH THIS ENTRANCE WAY. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING IS WHAT THEY CALL THE FASCINATION STATION. IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN INDOOR PLAYGROUND DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER BEHIND THAT IS A CHART AREA AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR ELEVATOR AND EGRESS THERE. AH TO THE TOP OF THIS EXHIBIT, WHICH IS THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS THE INFANT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH INFANT CRIB ROOM. UM AND ALSO AN INFANT ROOM TAKES UP THE ENTIRE EASTERLY PORTION TO THE WEST SIDE ARE THE TODDLER ROOMS, SO THERE'S TWO TODDLER ROOMS. THERE'S ALSO I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED A STEP UP ROOM. LET ME JUST LOOK AT MY. FIRST STEP ROOM SO SOMETIMES, UH, TODDLERS ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH OR READY TO GO INTO THE TODDLER ROOM. SO IT'S A IT'S A INTERIM, UH, CLASSROOM SPACE. WE ALSO HAVE BATHROOMS FOR STUDENTS AND STAFF, AND THERE'S A KITCHEN. NO FOOD IS PREPARED. PARENTS BRING LUNCH AND THERE MAY BE SNACKS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING PREPARED THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE MAY HAVE A MICROWAVE IS IN THE IN FROM ROOM, THE HEAT UP FORMULA OR HEAT UP FORMULA. SO THAT'S THE GROUND FLOOR. WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS SHE A 1.2? IS PRODUCED BY RAY KLM ARCHITECTS, AND IT'S ALSO DATED 10 4 23 SO GROUND FLOOR UM. A SEVEN. I'M SORRY. A. SO GROUND FLOOR INFANT AND TODDLERS.

SECOND FLOOR IS PRESCHOOL AND PRE K, SO THEY'RE SEPARATED OUT BY AGE AND SO SIMILAR TO THE GROUND FLOOR. THERE ARE TWO PRE K ROOMS, ONE UP ON THE EASTERN CORNER AND WENT ON THE WESTERN CORNER. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO PRESCHOOL ROOMS, AND THIS ONE HAS THE STEP GETS SET ROOM.

SORRY AGAIN FOR THOSE, UH, THAT HURT MAY NEED A LITTLE TIME IN BETWEEN GOING TO PRE K. WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, A KITCHEN AGAIN. NO FOOD PREP. WE HAVE BATHROOMS THAT ARE OFF THE CLASSROOMS AND THEN FACULTY BATHROOMS. THERE'S ALSO AN AREA THAT'S LOCATED BETWEEN ALL THESE ROOMS BY THE ELEVATOR, AND THAT'S THE DISCOVERY ROOM, WHICH IS THE INDOOR PLAYROOM FOR PRE K AND STAND FOR PRESCHOOL. MY THINK WE WENT THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS. I THINK WE DIDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME ON WAS IN THE DAY FOR AND JUST A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE MATERIALS AND THE SURE FRONT ELEVATION. SURE SO THE MALVERN SCHOOL HAS THEIR TRADEMARK IDENTITY. IT'S A CHESTER COUNTY FARMHOUSE KIND OF LOOK, SO IT'S ACTUALLY A THREE COATS. CEMENT STUCCO. THIS IS NOT IFA'S. THIS IS TRULY STUCCO. THERE'S DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS WITH SHUTTERS AND PEDIMENT HEADS, UM, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. THERE'S A CUT STONE THAT'S APPLIED AT THE MAIN ENTRY AND ALSO EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME.

IT'S ALSO A WATER TABLE BASE UNDER THE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WE DO CONTINUE THAT WATER

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WALL OFFSETS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND SIDE ELEVATIONS IS 11 8. UM. I THINK THE ONE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT HIS 11 9, WHICH REQUIRES A VARIANCE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE VARIANTS FOR TWO ENTRANCES BECAUSE WE'RE ON TO ST FRANCH IS BUT BECAUSE OF THE OPERATIONS SECURITY, WE ONLY WANT TO HAVE ONE MAIN ENTRANCE. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE AN ENTRANCE FACING BRICK NAIL WAY. AH 11TH 10 THAT WITH THE, UM THE MATERIALS THAT WE USED TO PROVIDE, UM YOU KNOW, THE WATER TABLE AROUND THE THREE STOPS SIDES THAT WERE INSIDE THE PLAY AREA. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE NEED THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STUCCO MATERIAL, WHICH YOUR ORDINANCE, WHICH WE SPOKE ABOUT THE ONLY USES AS AN ACCENT AGAIN . WE TALKED ABOUT THAT CHESTER COUNTY FARMHOUSE LOOK AH! UM OH HIP ROOF, SO THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT'S 1114 IN THE REVIEW LETTER ABOUT OTHER TYPES OF ROOFS. SO THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT WAS THERE ACTUALLY HAD A HIP ROOF. IF YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE WEST ON BRACKNELL WAY, THE SECOND HOUSE FROM BRACKNELL HAS A HIP ROOF. THE TIGER TAIL HAS A HIP ROOF. MONTGOMERY CROSSING THEY ARE ALL GABLE ROOFS. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER GABLE ROOFS AS YOU GO UP 518 TO THE WEST. SO UM, I GAVE TESTIMONY ON 1115 ABOUT THE ROOF PITCHES AND THE OVERHANG IS 18 INCHES. UM. LET'S SEE. ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE. THE FENCING. WE WENT THROUGH THE DISCUSSION ON DECEMBER 5TH ABOUT THE FENCING AND THE OUTDOOR FURNITURE IS A FIXED. THE COLOR OF THE FENCING. WE'RE GOING TO DO AN EARTH TONE COLOR. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. WE'RE GOING TO DO AN EARTH TO FENCING. SO JUST SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID TALK TO THE OPERATOR. ALL OF THEM HAVE WHITE FENCES THAT ARE MAINTENANCE. PEOPLE PREFER TO HAVE IT WHITE. BUT AFTER THE DISCUSSIONS OF THAT SEPTEMBER, 5TH WILL DO IN OUR TOWN COLOR. THANK YOU. AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT 1119 ABOUT THE MATERIALS FOR THE PAVEMENT, WHICH IS IN THE PLAY AREA, WHICH IS BASICALLY A CONCRETE SIDEWALK COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING. YOU KNOW, ONE TO THE PLAY AREAS, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH USING THE STUCCO MATERIALS THAT WERE THIS THE CEMENT BASED MATERIALS. THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS. THAT WERE PART OF THE PLANET'S REVIEW. COMMENTS AND ALSO FROM OUR DECEMBER 5TH. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER FOR THE ARCHITECT AT THIS POINT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR THE YES ON THE PLAY AREA. THERE IS A. SORT OF A TAN AREA WHERE THE EQUIPMENT IS.

AND THEN THERE'S GREEN FURTHER AROUND IT. IS THE DOES THE OVERHANG THE SHADE DEVICE COVER THE ENTIRE GRAY AREA. NO IT DOESN'T KNOW. SO YOU HAVE THE PLAY EQUIPMENT IF WE CAN JUMP BACK TO THE PLAY EQUIPMENT, HMM. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAY EQUIPMENT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY SEE, THERE'S LIKE FOUR POLLS COMING UP, JUST PLAY EQUIPMENT, THOSE OF THE AREAS WHERE THAT SHADE CANOPY BUT NOT THE ENTIRE PLAY AREA. OKAY, SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE EQUIPMENT THAT

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UM, HOW ABOUT DID I THE FIRE TRUCKS AND ALL YOU SPEND TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT, FIRE TRUCKS. FIRAXIS HAS THE FIRE. MARSHALL SIGNED OFF ON THIS BECAUSE THERE'S ONE WAY IN. UM THEY CAN'T GET AROUND THE WHOLE BUILDING. I MEAN, HIS AGAINST THE WORDS OF FIRE MARSHAL.

HONEST DO WE HAVE A MEMO? LET ME I DIDN'T SEE HIM SUBMITTED PLANS TO THE FIRE MARSHAL. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RESPONSE YET. HE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM AT THE SITE PLAN. DID YOU REACH OUT WE DID. WE SENT THE PLANS AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK. NO, WE SO WE WOULD WE WOULD NEED TO PROCURE THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR SURE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE HE'S SATISFIED. AND, UH, TONY, DO YOU THINK FROM AN AN AMBULANCE PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? AND IF AMBULANCE HAS A COP IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE THERE TO, UM YOU KNOW, SAID MR EVER NEEDED. WHERE WITH THE AMBULANCE. GO I THINK SO. MAYOR UH, AS I LOOKED AT THE PLAN HERE, IT'S UH IT'S 5.5 FT WIDE. THE GURNEY IS ONLY ABOUT 3 FT WIDE. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF FEET LEFT OVER FOR THE E. M T S TO RIDE UP WITH IT.

OKAY. HOW ABOUT THE BILL? I MEAN, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH NOT HAVING ENTRANCES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THIS, RIGHT NOBODY CAN GET THROUGH THOSE THINGS THEY ALWAYS EMERGENCY HAS TO COME THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR ALL THE TIME IN THIS PLAN NOW THERE'S NO OTHER DOUBLE DOOR. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THEY DO HAVE A STRAIGHT SHOT RIGHT THROUGH THE MAIN HALL OF THE BUILDING TO THE ELEVATOR. OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WITH THE HAVING TO GET ANYTHING IN THE BACK OR OR ANYTHING. UM I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. THEY IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD IF THE CHILD IS HURT ON THE PLAY EQUIPMENT, THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING TO THE BACK. WHEREVER THE PLAY EQUIPMENT IS. BUT WE DO THAT KIND OF THING THAT SCHOOLS PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THERE ARE SECURED GATES THAT COME TO THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTHERN LEE PORTION OR THE FRONT ENTRANCE. WE HAVE A CONCRETE SIDEWALK THAT SURROUNDS THE ENTIRE SIDE AND REAR AND COMES OUT TO THOSE GATES. SO IN THE EVENT THERE IS A NEED FOR, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THAT THOSE GATES ARE OPENED AND THEY CAN DO THAT COME THROUGH THE BACK, PLUS THE EGRESS DOORS FOR OUR STAIR TOWERS ALSO EXIT THROUGH THAT SAME AREA AND ALL THE DOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

AROUND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT ARE 3 FT WIDE, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR A HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. YOU HAVE A CURB CUT. UH, TO THE LEVEL OF THE

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I'M SORRY ON THE SIDE AND WE GO IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAR ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM THE THIRD DOOR FROM THE LEFT. THAT'S THE STAIR TOWER, THE OTHER STAIR TOWERS SO AGAIN, IT GIVES FIRE DEPARTMENT DIRECT ACCESS AND A FIVE TO OUR FIRE RATED ENCLOSURE TO FIGHT A FIRE AND TO ALSO ACCESS THE FLOORS. SO THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE BUILDING CODE. AND THE SINGLE DOOR 3. FT. WIDE IS THE IS THE REQUIRED WITH THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR JUST ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS FOR BILL FIRST BILL, YOU MENTIONED THE H VAC BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND . HOW IS THAT ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE? IS THERE A GATE TO THE PLAYGROUND? IS THERE A GATE TO THE LANDSCAPING? HOW DO YOU HOW DOES MAINTENANCE GET TO THOSE? SO THE OPERATOR DOES NOT

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WHERE DO ALL THE KIDS GO? I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE OPERATOR HOW THEY THE APPLICANT HOW THEY DO THAT, BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THE FOR THE BOARD IS THE SITE IS BOUND BY ROADS ON THREE SIDES, AND THAT FOURTH SIDE THERE'S RETAINING WALLS ON A LARGE PORTION OF IT. MY CONCERN IS WHERE DO THEY TAKE THE KID? EITHER THEIR KIDS ARE CROSSING THE STREET OR THERE. THEY'RE NOT CROSSING THE DETENTION BASIN. IT'S AN 11 FT DROP, SO WHERE IF THIS IS IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT, I UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT WITNESS MAY NEED TO GET YOU AN ANSWER. HI. MA'AM CAN WE GIVE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY IT'S CRYSTAL SEAL S E A L AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR THE MOUNTAIN SCHOOL. AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN. DO YOU SWEAR FROM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. I DO. THANK YOU HEAR THE QUESTION. I GET BETTER. SO FOR IF THE FIRE ALARM WOULD GO WHERE TO GO OFF FOR ONE OF OUR DRILLS, ESPECIALLY. WE DO THOSE MONTHLY, UM THE CHILDREN WOULD EVACUATE FROM EITHER THEIR PRIMARY OR SECONDARY ROOT OUT ONTO THEIR PLAY AREA, AND THEN THEY WOULD LINE UP ALONG THE FENCE LINE. ONCE A YEAR. WE DO PRACTICE TO GO OUTSIDE OF OUR PLAYGROUND SPACE, UM, IN COOPERATION WITH THE LOCAL FIRE, UM, DEPARTMENT AND WE WOULD EVACUATE TO THE FRONT PARKING LOT. WE WOULDN'T NEED TO EVER CROSS SAY, BRACKNELL WAY OR GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE WITHOUT EMERGENCY PERSONNEL SUPPORT IF WE NEEDED TO EVACUATE OUR WHOLE OUR WHOLE AREA, OUR WHOLE PROPERTY THERE, UM EMERGENCY PERSONNEL WOULD WOULD ASSIST US AND THAT'S PART OF OUR EMERGENCY PLAN THAT WE FILE WITH THE STATE THROUGH OUR STATE LICENSING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR I'M THERE. TWO QUICK QUESTIONS FOR MR FEINBERG, THE BACK FENCE. DOES THAT MATCH THE REST OF THE FENCE? THAT'S AROUND AND AESTHETICALLY. I UNDERSTAND THE ENTRANCE, BUT THERE'S IT'S GOING TO BE AN ART STONE FENCE AROUND THE H VAC SYSTEM THAT WILL MATCH THE REST OF THE FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER. THAT'S CORRECT, AND I GOT THE HEIGHT OF THE THREE AREAS THAT THE INDEPENDENT SHADE STRUCTURE IS THAT THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE TALLEST PLAY AREAS OF 14 FT THAT IS IN THE LET'S SEE. THAT'S THE NORTHEAST CORNER. THE BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAY STRUCTURE. I BELIEVE IT'S SANDBOX. OKAY SO THAT'S THE 8 FT . THAT'S THE 8 FT. OKAY, AND IS THERE STILL A BASKETBALL HOOP ON THERE? THERE'S NO PERMANENT BASKETBALL HOOPS, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODDLERS ABOUT PLASTIC HOOP THAT'S PROBABLY CAUSE MY KNEECAP. THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. I JUST HAD THE JETS AND THAT WILL BE STORED INSIDE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NOTHING IS STUART OUT ON THE IN THE PLAY AREAS CAN WE CAN SO LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BUT THE SHADE STUFF BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SHADE IN A NUMBER OF OTHER CHILDCARE THINGS RIGHT AND IT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE SHADE IS ONLY OVER JUST THE EQUIPMENT, NOT THE SANDBOX. THE SANDBOX HAS A SHADE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS IN THE UPPER WE'RE RIGHT HAND CORNER OR THE NORTH EAST SIDE THERE. THE BASKETBALL CONCRETE THAT'S LABELED AS BASKETBALL THAT DOES NOT HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OR THE SOUTHEAST, THAT'S THE INFANT AND THAT COVERS ABOUT NOT ONLY THE EQUIPMENT, BUT IT GOES, EXTEND A LITTLE PAST AND COVERS THE. THE AH, THE BOLT ARE CALLED MULCHED IN AREA AROUND IT, SO THAT COVERS A BIGGER AREA THAN IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT SIDE IN THE

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IT'S UM YOU KNOW, WE. LOOK I THINK IT WAS THE LAST DAY CARE CENTER WE APPROVED. WE HELD UP.

I MEAN, WE TALKED FOR 20 MINUTES OR SOMETHING ON THIS UNTIL THE OWNER AGREED TO PUT A TREE IN THE PLAY AREA AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS BUT. I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE. I THINK. YEAH, THE SUN CAN BE BRUTAL AND WHAT A SHAME IF THE KIDS HAVE TO STAY INSIDE ALL SUMMER OR ALL SPRING OR FALL. GET YOUR CHOSEN. IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW? OKAY SO I DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS AFTER OUR MEETING ON THE FIFTH. SO THE APPLICANTS SAID OF WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THE LANDSCAPING GETS AT THE PERIMETER. MAKE THOSE LARGER TREES LARGER CAT CALIBER, SO THEY WILL GROW FASTER AND PROVIDE SHADE OVER THE FENCE. THERE ARE ALSO SOME VERY LARGE TREES ON THE NORTHERN PORTION, UM, THAT ARE BEING SAVED FROM TONIGHT'S TESTIMONY FROM THE ENGINEER, WHICH I THINK SOME OF THESE YOU SAID THERE WERE 30 INCH CALIBER, WHICH IS A FAIRLY LARGE TRUTH SO WHEREVER THE TREES COULD BE SAVED AS SHADE THAT'S BEING DONE AND WHERE HE CAN INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF TREES AROUND THE OUTSIDE PERIMETER. REFERENCES AGAIN FROM YOU KNOW, SAFETY AND SECURITY AND BEING A HAVE LINE OF SIGHT. THAT'S THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S BUNK. I HAVE TO TELL YOU. I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE. I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED YOU NEED SOME TREES IN THERE, AND I ALSO THINK THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO SHADE ON THE BUILDING, RIGHT. I MEAN, THERE'S YOU JUST HAVE TONS. YOU'VE GOT THESE WINDOWS. THERE'S NO AWNINGS OVER THE WINDOWS.

THERE'S NO LIKE IT'S JUST THIS BIG. BUILDING IN THE FIELD. RIGHT TO SOME DEGREE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME MORE TREES, TREES ALONG THE BACK. I MEAN, I'D REMIND YOU THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE, SO THE SUN IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THOSE TREES AND WON'T PROVIDE ANY SHADE. AND DO WE EVEN KNOW WHAT KIND OF TREES THEY ARE, THEY COULD BE INVASIVE TREES. THEY COULD BE CURRENT ONES, THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UM ANOTHER ANOTHER? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST I HAVE, UM I WHEN I WAS A CHILD, I PLAYED UNDER SO MANY DIFFERENT TREES. I HAVE, UM GOOD MEMORIES OF THEM,

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WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT. OKAY THAT'S THAT'S NOT A NEGATIVE. IT'S A ONE TIME OCCURRENCE. THAT'S NOT A NEGATIVE STUCK OUT. WE HAVE BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY THAT HAVE STUCCO. SO I MEAN, I AM NOT. I'M TRYING NOT TO ARGUE EITHER. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE ABILITY TO CONDITION UH . THIS IS BASED UPON CRITERIA THAT DON'T EXIST IN YOUR ORDINANCE. THEY DO EXIST IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IS IN OUR ORDINANCE. THE STUCCO STUCCO IS PART OF HIS OWN PLANET. SO IS THE DESIGN OF THE OF THAT AREA, SO IT DOES MAKE A NEGATIVE CRITERIA, MR PETRINO. JUST A QUESTION. UM YOUR CLIENT TESTIFIED THAT THE SHADE STRUCTURE IS NOT GOING TO BE COVERING ALL THE PLAY AREAS. IS THERE SOME ROOM FOR YOUR CLIENT TO ADD MORE SHADE STRUCTURES? IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT TREES? CAN THEY PROVIDE MORE SHADED AREAS? NEED TO BE IN FRONT FROM YOU, MIKE. HI CRYSTAL SEAL, SO I DO NOT BELIEVE BASED ON THE WAY OUR PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES ARE WITH THOSE POSTS. THERE'S A CERTAIN BEARING THAT YOU KNOW, SIZE THAT THEY NEED TO BE IN THAT RESPECT, SO THEY REALLY COULDN'T CANTILEVER OVER ANY LARGER FOR SAFETY, UM, TO BE ABLE TO COVER ANY MORE PORTIONS OF THOSE ACTUAL STREETS.

STRUCTURES STRUCTURES ARE ACTUALLY BUILT IN FOR SAFETY TO INCORPORATE THOSE POSTS. SO IT'S LAST POST FOR THE CHILDREN AT PLAY, SO THEY'RE INCORPORATED INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. UM IF YOU CAN YOU PULL UP THAT PICTURE BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE PLAY STRUCTURE VERSUS BEING AN ADDITIONAL POLE AND FOR THE CHILDREN AT PLAY. MISS STEEL. JUST A QUESTION. THIS IS THE DESIGN. YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS THE DESIGN YOU DO FOR ALL YOUR FACILITIES? THAT IS THAT OUR OUR LATEST DESIGN THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR OUR FACILITIES THAT MEETS THE LATEST, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR FROM THE CPS.

I'M GONNA THAT THE PLAYGROUND? YES, THE FEDERAL HANDBOOK FOR I'M LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO REMEMBER THE ACRONYM FOR PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES FOR THE AGE GROUPS THAT WE THOSE EACH ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES IS FOR. AND LOOK AT ALL THAT GREEN SPACE WITH NO SHADE AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE GRASS. THE CHILDREN CAN EVEN MAKE A DAISY CHAIN OR A CLOVER GRASS. THERE IS GRASS.

ABSOLUTELY THAT GREEN SPACE WE UTILIZE FOR, UM FOR A STRUCTURED AND UNSTRUCTURED PLAY. SO THE ONLY THAT PERMEABLE UM SOFT PLAY , UH, HORRIBLE SPACE IS ACTUALLY AROUND THE CLIMBER, AND THAT'S REQUIRED. BY THE FEDERAL STATUTES FOR FALZONE, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT IS GRASS FOR THEM TO PLAY. GLAD TO HEAR THAT, UM, I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT THE WHOLE AREA INSIDE THE PLAY JUST AROUND. I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE, UH, SICK. 6 FT. I THINK IT'S 6 FT, UM, BY THE ORDINANCE THAT IT HAS TO BE AROUND EACH OF THE PLAY AREAS, SO IT'S JUST THAT THAT FOOTPRINT IF YOU WILL, OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. RECOMMEND YOU PUT CLOVER IN THE GRASP. CHILDREN WOULD LOVE TO LOOK FOR FOUR LEAF CLOVERS AND MAYBE MAKE CLOVER CHAINS. FOR ALL THE GUYS WHO THROUGH WHAT? WE PLAYED ON BALL FIELDS. THERE WERE NO TREES AND YOU GOT HOT AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE MY AGE OR GETTING THINGS REMOVED FROM YOUR NOSES AND THEIR EARS AND THEIR BALD HEADS AND THEIR SHOULDERS AND THEIR KNEES. YES MIES? YEAH I'VE ALREADY HAD MY HIPS DONE TWICE. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THE

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BUT IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE LATER IN THE DAY, IT MIGHT BE MORE OF AN ISSUE. SO UNDERSTANDING THAT AND IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE SUPPLEMENTED FOR SHADE. WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT IS GOOD POINT. SO THE CHILDREN GENERALLY ARE OUTSIDE AND PLAY THEIR STAGGERED TIMES, SO EACH CLASSROOM HAS THEIR OWN TIME PERIOD ON THEIR OWN DESIGNATED PLAYGROUND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 930 IN THE MORNING TILL ABOUT 1145 TILL LUNCH BEGINS, AND THEN THEY'RE BACK OUTSIDE AROUND 330, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR, THIS TIME OF YEAR, WE'RE IN PRETTY EARLY BECAUSE IT GETS DARK OUTSIDE, BUT IN THE YOU KNOW IN THE LATER WHEN THE SUN IS SHINING A LITTLE LONGER, WE WILL WILL STAY OUT UNTIL, LIKE, FIVE O'CLOCK ISH. OKAY WE ALSO HAVE IN THE SUMMERTIME. WE'LL HAVE LIKE WATER PLACE SPRINKLER TIME FOR THE CHILDREN DURING AGAIN THOSE SAME HOURS AND IT'S ALL AGE GROUPS AT THAT TIME. GENERALLY THE INFANTS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THEY'RE ALL ON THEIR OWN INFANT SCHEDULE, SO WE DON'T MANDATE ANY SORT OF SCHEDULE SO THE CHILDREN WILL GO OUT. WE HAVE A BUGGY THAT THEY'LL WALK AROUND THEIR YARD OR THEY'LL GO OUT AND PLAY. BUT IT'S A VARIETY OF THE TIMES OF THE DAY. SO IT'S PROBABLY REASONABLE THAT THE TIME OF CONCERN MOST FROM HEAT PERSPECTIVE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK ON, UM RICHARD AND THEY'LL BE ASKING, RIGHT. WE WERE HAVING A YEAH, THE QUESTION LOCATION FOR A SHADE TREE. WE ON THE SOUTHWEST, THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE OF THE SITE TO BE ON ON THE BUCKNELL WAY RIGHT? THERE WOULD BE THEN PERHAPS IT'S GET SOME LARGER SHADE TREES. BRICK NAILS. WAYSIDE DOESN'T QUITE WORK WORK SINCE IT GOES AROUND THE BUILDING RIGHT ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BOAT TALKING ABOUT RIGHT THERE. IN UNITS OVER THEIR CONDITIONS ARE YEAH.

CONDITIONING UNITS. PERHAPS WE CAN UPGRADE THE SIZE OF THOSE TREES THAT WERE ALREADY PROPOSED. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION THAT WOULD HELP. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ONEROUS. I DON'T HAVE. YEAH I TESTIFIED THAT SPEAKING TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY WOULD INCREASE THE SIZE AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER DEFENSE AND CERTAINLY ON THE WESTERLY PORTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE CAN INCREASE. YEAH WE'LL MAKE THINGS LIKE A REASONABLE SOLUTION. THANK YOU. AND CHOOSE TREES THAT WILL GROW TO CAST SHADE CANOPY. YEAH. YES.

AND PLACE THOSE LITTLE SHRUBS OR WHATEVER IT IS. WE'LL WORK WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND SUBMIT A REVISED PLAN TO YOUR OFFICE AS WELL TO CONFIRM AND WE'LL WORK WITH MR BARR ALONE AS WELL TO PICK THE PROPER SPECIES FOR THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S A COMPROMISE. OUR PEOPLE ON THE BOARD READY TO ACCEPT THAT AS ADEQUATE. WELL HOW MANY TREES ARE WE TALKING ONE. RIGHT HOW MANY TREES? THAT'S A QUESTION NOW MULTIPLE. I JUST FEEL LIKE NO SHRUBS. I THINK SO. THAT'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX SHRUBS. TICKET PLAN NOW AND MAKE HIM MAYBE 563 12. I THINK TREES WERE PLANTING AT THE TIME OF PLANNING. FOR WHAT 6 TO 8 FT, SO THE TREES ARE PLANTED 12 TO 14 FT. TALL 68 EVERGREEN TREES SO WE CAN GET SOME LARGER TREES WORK WITH THE PROFESSIONALS WILL GET SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL. THAT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL UNREASONABLE I. SO EVERGREENS ARE VERY NICE, BUT THEY AREN'T SPREADING TREES WERE GROWING MUCH FASTER THAN EVERGREEN TREES. YEAH I'VE PUT MY FOR SHADE. I WOULD SUGGEST SHADE TRAINS. YES, YES, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. TO EAT AND CHEAT STREET. ABSOLUTELY YEAH, WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF PLANTINGS ON THAT SIDE OF THE FENCE. WE CAN WE'LL STAG WILL REPLACE SOME OF THOSE WITH LARGER SHADE TREES, LARGER CALIBER, UM, SPACE AMOUNT ACROSS THAT ENTIRE FENCE SO THAT YOU PROVIDE SHADE ALONG THAT ENTIRE SIDE, AND THEY COULD EVEN BE PLANTED WITH I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAYBE AMERICAN HOLLY'S UNDER THEM SO THAT THERE'S GOOD SCREENING. RIGHT THAT'S SHADE TOLERANT, RIGHT? YEAH. I AM. I WOULD ACCEPT THAT COMPROMISE IF EVERYBODY ELSE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. REDEMPTION. NEXT WEEK SINCE THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR FEINBERG? NO I DON'T SEE ANY SHOULD WE HAVE A

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PREPARED BY THE DYNAMIC TRAFFIC L. L. C J IN AUGUST 25 2023. I DID OKAY. UM YOU PULL THAT MICHAEL LITTLE CLOSER. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. UM AGAIN, THE REPORT WAS TRAFFIC AND PARKING ASSESSMENT DATED AUGUST 25 2023. THAT'S CORRECT. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. GREAT SO AS PART OF THAT AS PART OF OUR WORK ON THE PROJECT, AND IT'S PART OF OUR REPORT. WE LOOKED AT THE ACCESS, TRAFFIC IMPACT, IMPACT AND PARKING FOR THE PROPOSED FACILITY. UM SO, AS WAS MENTIONED BY MR HABERMAN, THE ENGINEER ACCESS TO THE FACILITIES PROPOSED VIA ONE FULL MOVEMENT. DRIVEWAY ALONG BRICK. NO WAY. FROM THEIR VEHICLES WILL ENTER AND TRAVERSE IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE ONE WAY FLOW AROUND THE PARKING FACILITY. UM JUST WANT TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT AS WELL FROM A HIGHER LEVEL PERSPECTIVE, THE ACCESS TO THE TO THE SITE, SO I'M REFERRING TO. I BELIEVE IT'S EXHIBIT A ONE. IT'S THE AERIAL MAP EXHIBIT. SO THAT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW, AS WE'VE MENTIONED ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. RUNNING FROM FROM LEFT TO RIGHT WEST TO EAST AND BRACKNELL WAY IS LOCATED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. BRECHNER WAY INTERSECTS BOTH THE U. S ROUTE 206. AND GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE HERE. BOTH ARE RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURNOUT INTERSECTIONS, SO LEFT TURNS TO AND FROM BRACKNELL, WAY FROM BOTH ROADWAYS ARE NOT PERMITTED. UM IN ORDER FOR VEHICLES TO TRAVEL TO THE SITE AND MAKE THOSE LEFT TURN MANEUVERS. UM THEY WILL NEED TO ACCESS VILLAGE DRIVE VIA TAMWORTH DRIVE, WHICH I'M HIGHLIGHTING WITH THE CURSOR HERE, WHICH RUNS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. VILLAGE, DR. UH CURRENTLY INTERSECTS GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE FURTHER TO THE WEST JUST OFF THE EXHIBIT HERE, AND THAT IS A FULL MOVEMENT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. AH! ULTIMATELY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MONTGOMERY WALK DEVELOPMENT HERE, VILLAGE DRIVE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AND CONTINUE TO INTERSECT WITH U S ROUTE 206 AGAIN WITH A FULL MOVEMENT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. NEXT. I WANT TO BRING UP ANOTHER EXHIBIT . I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ONE HAS BEEN MARKED. I THINK IT WILL BE A 10. I BELIEVE THEY TEND. THIS IS THE LINE OF SIGHT. PROFILE EXHIBIT PREPARED BY DYNAMIC ENGINEERING DATED DECEMBER 11TH 2023. OH, THIS EXHIBIT WAS PREPARED TO ADDRESS A COMMENT FROM THE BOARDS. TRAFFIC ENGINEER REVIEW LETTER SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING A SIGHTLINE PROFILE OR A VEHICLE EXITING THE DRIVEWAY ONTO BROOK.

NO WAY AND LOOKING RIGHT. THIS SITE HAS BEEN DESIGNED. YOU KNOW, THE GRADING AND THE LANDSCAPING HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO KEEP THIS AREA AND THIS SITE TRIANGLE FREE. UH, FREE OF, YOU KNOW, OBJECTS AND OBSTRUCTIONS. UH SHOWN BELOW IS THAT PROFILE YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM OF

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WE THEN SURCHARGE THE SITE GENERATED TRIPS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ON TOP OF THOSE NO BUILD VOLUMES TO CREATE WHAT WE WHAT WE CLASSIFY AS THE BILL TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND ULTIMATELY COMPARE BOTH CONDITIONS. UH A COUPLE OF THINGS REGARDING THE TRIP GENERATION FOR THIS FACILITY. SPECIFICALLY TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH A DAYCARE CENTER. I T IS, YOU KNOW, STUDIED THIS AND THEY HAVE CONCLUDED THAT WHO IS I T THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. THEY HAVE CONCLUDED THAT A DAYCARE ITSELF IS TYPICALLY THERE IS SOME PASSED BY TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE DAYCARE USE PASSED BY TRAFFIC IS ESSENTIALLY TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY ON THE ADJACENT ROADWAY NETWORK, SIMPLY TURNING INTO THE SITE DROPPING OFF OR PICKING UP THEIR CHILD AND CONTINUING ON ON THEIR JOURNEY. UM AND FROM A, YOU KNOW, DAYCARES PERSPECTIVE, AND FROM A PARENT'S PERSPECTIVE THEY OFTEN WANT, YOU KNOW, DAYCARE THAT'S CLOSE. TO THEIR THEIR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS ON THEIR WAY TO AND FROM WORK, SO I T AS ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED A 44% PASSED BY TRAFFIC PERCENTAGE FOR THIS USE, WHICH IS RELATIVELY HIGH. UM. NEXT AS PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, STUDY, WE DID LOOK AT THE SITE DRIVEWAY INTERSECTION WITH BRACKNELL WAY AS WELL AS THE TWO INTERSECTIONS. BRACKNELL WAY HAS WITH GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE AND WITH U S ROUTE 206. BEYOND THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS OR THREE INTERSECTIONS RATHER THE NUMBER OF NEW TRIPS YOU KNOW, THROUGH ANY ANY INTERSECTION WOULD FALL BELOW WHAT N J. D O T WOULD CLASSIFY AS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. UM, TYPICALLY, THAT'S YOU KNOW. A LEVEL THAT'S ANTICIPATED WITH A PERCEPTIBLE CHANGE IN TRAFFIC.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BEYOND REALLY THE SITE DRIVEWAY THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS USE REALLY FALL BELOW AND IDEOLOGIES THRESHOLD. FOR A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.

SO BASED ON THE CAPACITY ANALYSES THAT WE CONDUCTED, WE ONLY OBSERVED MINOR CHANGES IN DELAY. AT THE BRACKNELL WAY INTERSECTIONS AND WE DID NOT OBSERVE ANY OPERATIONAL CONCERNS AT THE PROPOSED SITE DRIVEWAY. LASTLY, IN TERMS OF PARKING THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE.

SETS FORTH A PARKING REQUIREMENT OF 11 SPACE FOR EMPLOYEE AND ONE SPACE FOR EIGHT CHILDREN FOR CHILDCARE CENTERS THAT EQUATES TO A TOTAL OF 45 SPACES FOR THIS FACILITY. 51 SPACES ARE PROPOSED , WERE COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT. AND ANOTHER POINT TO MENTION IS DROPOFFS AND PICKUPS FOR THIS FOR THE MALVERN SCHOOL OR TYPICALLY STAGGERED THROUGHOUT THE MORNING AND EVENING PEAK HOURS. PARENTS TYPICALLY PARK. PARK THEIR VEHICLE WALK INTO THE FACILITY TO PICK UP OR DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN, SO PARKING SPACES ARE TYPICALLY ONLY

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CONVERSELY IS MR SAVAGE STARTED TO SAY A MID BLOCK CROSSWALK HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN COMMITTEE WOULD NEED TO ESTABLISH AN ORDINANCE FOR TO PUT A CROSSWALK THAT WASN'T AT A PUBLIC INTERSECTION. SO IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO SO. BUT THE TOWN HAS TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT LEGAL. THANK YOU. YEAH YEAH, BUT WHAT IS WHAT IS ACROSS FROM THE YOUR ENTRANCE? WHAT THERE'S SOMETHING SO I THINK THERE'S ONE THERE'S ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF BRACKNELL. THERE ISN'T AROUND THE CURVE ON THE TOP LEFT OF SORRY. THE TOP LEFT OF THIS EXHIBIT. THAT IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS. I BELIEVE FOR THE MONTGOMERY CROSSING DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE, NOT CROSS, NOT SIDEWALKS THERE. SO MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT PEDESTRIANS AND WHAT YOUR ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS THAT MIGHT BE COMING TO DROP OFF CHILDREN AT THE AT THE SITE, DO YOU? DO YOU INCLUDE THAT AT ALL? TYPICALLY WE DO NOT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE. I THINK BASED ON THE PROXIMITY TO THE MONTGOMERY CROSSING DEVELOPMENT, YOU MIGHT HAVE HAVE YOU KNOW A HANDFUL? MAYBE ONE OR TWO FAMILIES THAT I MEAN, IF WE COULD JUST DWELL ON THAT POINT A LITTLE BIT. I MEAN, YOU'RE THE EXPERT. I'M NOT. BUT SINCE YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVEN'T CONSIDERED IT. I THINK I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIANS SO THAT WILL BE COMING FROM? NOT ONLY NOT ONLY THAT SITE. I MEAN IT COULD COULD WE POSSIBLY GO TO THE VERY FIRST EXHIBIT A ONE? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH I MEAN, SO I MEAN, WE'RE YOU'VE GOT THE YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BEING BUILT RIGHT THERE. UM AND WHAT'S IT CALLED? MONTGOMERY CROSSING, I THINK. AND THEN EVEN ACROSS 206, WHICH IS GOING TO WHICH IS GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE BY WALKING PATHWAY THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVER THERE, AND THERE'S YOU KNOW THIS THIS PORTION OF OUR TOWN IS BECOMING KIND OF A WALKABLE, LIVABLE AREA , UM, BEING ACCESSED BY, THANKFULLY, BRUCE BY THIS BOARD BY ALL OF THE YOU KNOW, CONNECTING ROADS. I CAN IMAGINE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A FEW OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO A PLACE LIKE THIS HAVING SMALL CHILDREN WORKING IN THE AREA COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ALL THROUGHOUT, UM, LIVING IN THE AREA. I JUST I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS ACTUALLY QUITE A LARGE COMPONENT OF THE FUTURE USE OF THIS PROPERTY. UM AND I ACTUALLY WAS KIND OF WAITING ON THIS, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE EVEN INSUFFICIENT. UM IN THE IN THE

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IT'S ALL GOOD. THE MAIN POINT I THINK I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT I THINK THAT THERE I MEAN, IT'S IT GETS DARK AT FOUR O'CLOCK AND THE OPERATION OF THE SCHOOLS AT SIX O'CLOCK AND THERE WILL BE WALKERS LEAVING FROM THE SCHOOL. THERE WILL BE WALKERS LEAVING FROM THE SCHOOL GOING DOWN THAT ROAD AND THERE ARE NO LIGHTS. ZERO LIGHTS, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR YOUR FAULT RIGHT NOW.

BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WE SHOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CONSIDER LIGHTS OR PEDESTRIAN LIGHTS. I MEAN PEDESTRIAN ALLIANCES, LIGHTS ALONG THE SIDEWALK. UM PAUL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STREET LIGHTING, ESSENTIALLY WHETHER THEY'RE THE OLD SCHOOL, COBRA HEADS OR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DECORATIVE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STREET LIGHTING.

ESSENTIALLY YES, THAT'S RIGHT. BUT ON THIS PROPERTY, YEAH, I JUST I JUST FEAR SOME CHILD YOU KNOW, AND THEIR MOTHER OR FATHER WALKING ACROSS THE STREET. UM THEN WITH THE COURT WITH THE CARS TRYING TO GET BACK TO A SIX AND THEY'RE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT'S A LOOP ROAD, AND SO THEY'RE GOING REALLY FAST AT NIGHT. UM SO TREACHEROUS ROAD. IT'S KIND OF TREACHEROUS. MM, AGREE.

PARTICIPATE CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE YOU GOT TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? MICROPHONE. DONE SORRY. JUST PULL IT TOWARDS YOU. IS THERE A FEAR THAT THIS THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO BE WALKING THEIR CHILDREN? YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I WASN'T EVEN I DIDN'T CONSIDER MANY PEOPLE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. ACTUALLY YEAH, HERE IF YOU LOOK

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WE'RE IN THE RIGHT AWAY ON OUR SITE RIGHT AT THE RIGHT OF WAY. BUT ON OUR SITE, SO THAT YEAH, I THINK ANYTHING IN THE RIGHT AWAY WOULD REQUIRE COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL APPROVAL. THOSE LIGHTS ALSO GO OFF AT SIX PM OR IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. I THINK I THINK BECAUSE THEN THERE IS ALSO GOING TO BE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE LEFT TO THE WEST. THE OTHER THE BOTTOM LIGHTS. I DON'T THINK THE ILLUMINATION WOULD SPREAD OUT PAST THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET. I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY WELL CONTAINED. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BOLLARD LIGHTS, STREET LIGHTS.

YOU COULD HAVE TO DO THE SAME KIND OF THING WITH THE DOWNCAST RECESS KIND OF LIGHT WHERE IT'S NOT EXTENDING ALL THE WAY OUT TOWARDS THEIR PROPERTY. SO WHERE WERE THOSE LIGHT SPEED THAT THEY WERE THINKING THAT BY MOVING WAS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME SPILLOVER ON BRECK, NORWAY JUST TO GET CARS INTO AND OUT OF THE SITE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ILLUMINATED, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT A STRONGER ILLUMINATION. MAYBE MOVE THE LIGHTS CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINE SO THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN INTERSECTION THAT'S LIT UP. UM PROPERLY ILLUMINATED. UM THAT'S JUST FOR YOU KNOW CARS DRIVING IN AND OUT AND THEN PUT SOME BOILED LIGHTS AT THE S PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT CONNECTS INTO THE SITE. IT COULD BE JUST A SERIES OF A COUPLE LIKES TO PEOPLE SO DRIVERS CAN SEE PEOPLE WALKING UP TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK HERE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER.

ABSOLUTELY. THE LIGHTS MARKING LINE. UH FURTHER FOR OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. OUR LAST WE ALWAYS SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST, AND THAT'S JIM KYLE OR PLANNER. MADAM CHAIR. I DO HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS FOR KEVIN BEFORE WE GOT KIND OF SIDETRACKED THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE

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BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION BEFORE OF OKAY. IF YOU'RE COMING NORTH ON 206, HOW DO YOU GET IN AND OUT? IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON 206, HOW DO YOU GET IN AND OUT SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHEN WHAT VEHICLES HAVE TO USE, WHICH LOOP ROAD YEP, UNDERSTOOD. SO TWO OR SIX IS ON THE YOU KNOW, SENATOR RIGHT OF THE SCREEN HERE, SHOWING HIM MY MOUSE TO YOUR COMING NORTH BONG ON 206. YOU NEED TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AT 518 AND THEN A RIGHT TURN INTO BRICK. NO WAY TO ACCESS THE SITE. TO LEAVE. YOU NEED TO TRAVERSE BRACKNELL, WAY TO TOWARDS TO A SIX AND THEN TURN RIGHT ONTO US SIX TO TRAVEL SOUTH. UM TRAVELING SOUTH BONG ON 206 CAN MAKE A RIGHT TURN INTO BRICK. NO WAY TO THEN ACCESS TO TIGHT DRIVEWAY TO LEAVE, ULTIMATELY WANTS THE VILLAGE DRIVERS CONNECTED VEHICLE COULD USE TAMWORTH DRIVE TO THEN ACCESS VILLAGE DRIVE TO MAKE A LEFT ONTO ROUTE 206. UM TRAVELING FROM THE EAST ON 518 VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, TRAVERSE WEST AND THEN MAKE A RIGHT TURN ONTO BRACKNELL WAY. IN ORDER TO LEAVE THE SITE THEY WOULD NEED TO EITHER. UTILIZED BRECK. NO WAY TO MAKE A RIGHT ONTO 206 AND THEN A LEFT ONTO 518. OR THEY COULD UTILIZE TO MARS DRIVE TO VILLAGE DRIVE TO THEN MAKE A LEFT ONTO 518 JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY A QUESTION ON THAT ONE. THE THERE IN THE FUTURE. THERE WILL BE NO LEFT. TURN FROM 206 TO 518 IS THERE IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT THOSE EVENTUALLY ONCE THE PROPERTY AND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER COMES IN, THOSE LEFT TURNS WILL BE PROHIBITED. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? SO EXITING OUT OF BRECHNER AWAY TO THE RIGHT TO GET BACK ON TO 518 TO THE EAST.

THEN THERE THERE WILL BE A LOOP ROAD. I MEAN, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT YOUR CONTEMPLATION RIGHT? OR MAYBE IT WAS, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOOP ROAD, RIGHT JUG HANDLE RIGHT. SO INSTEAD OF WHEN MADISON, MARQUETTE OR THE MONTGOMERY PROMENADE COMES IN, YOU WOULD GO SOUTH THROUGH THE SIGNAL. TAKE A FAR SIDE JUG HANDLE TO THEN GO BACK TOWARDS ROCKY HILL, RIGHT. STILL MAKE THAT MOVE AT THE INTERSECTION. IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER JUG HANDLE INSTEAD OF A DIRECT LEFT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A JUNK JUNK HANDLE BECAUSE THE PROPERTIES WON'T LEAVE, SO IT'S THE IT'S THE OTHER LOOP ROAD THAT MEN. YEAH. RIGHT CAN YOU KIND OF POINT OUT WHERE THAT OTHER LOOP ROAD IS GOING TO BE, THEN? SO IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON 206, AND YOU WANT TO GO TOWARDS ROCKY

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IF SO, OUT OF BREATH. NO WAY ONTO 518. PEOPLE CAN ONLY TAKE A RIGHT CORRECT. WHICH LEADS ME TO MY LAST QUESTION, KEVIN AND THIS WASN'T MY REVIEW LETTER. WE HAVE HEARD COMMENTS FROM EITHER THE PUBLIC OR THE BOARD ON VARIOUS APPLICATIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ALLOWING THE LEFT TURN FROM 518 ONTO BRECK. NO WAY WERE YOU ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AT ALL? AND THEY HAVE AN OPINION REGARDING PERMITTING THAT LEFT TURN AND I RECOGNIZE THAT ULTIMATELY, THE SOMERSET COUNTY NEEDS TO APPROVE THAT SINCE IT'S THEIR INTERSECTION. YEAH, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE CHANCE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY ON IT, UM, JUST HAVING GONE THROUGH AND YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE EXTENT OF PERMITTING REQUIRED FOR THE MONTGOMERY CROSSING DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THIS SPECIFICALLY WANTED THAT LIMITED TO TWO RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT MOVEMENTS ONLY. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THE QUESTION OF THE COUNTY. SO THAT THAT BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT. AND BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT EASTBOUND FROM FROM 518, OR WERE YOU ABOUT TO GET INTO THAT WAS ABOUT TO GET TO THAT COMING FROM EASTBOUND ON 518. YOU NEED TO MAKE A LEFT INTO VILLAGE DRIVE AND THEN RIGHT ONTO TAMWORTH AND RIGHT ONTO BRACKNELL LEAVING THE SITE. YOU CAN SIMPLY GO SOUTHBOUND BRACKNELL TO MAKE A RIGHT ONTO 518. THERE'S A LIKE THAT. I'M SORRY, COMING EASIER.

YOU JUST MAKE A RUNNING MICROPHONE. FROM THE EAST ON FAT ON 518 FROM THE SORRY FROM THE WEST ON 518 TRAVELING EASTBOUND YOU NEED TO MAKE A LEFT AT VILLAGE DRIVE AND THEN A RIGHT ON TAMWORTH AND THEN A RIGHT ON TO BREAK THAT WAY. SO WE NEED TO USE THE SIGNAL THAT THEY'RE NOW AND YES. COME THROUGH THE REST OF THEM. OKAY AND THEN I KNOW I SAID THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION.

AS FAR AS TIMING HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE VARIOUS ROADS AS A SIDE COMPARED TO THE TIMING OF YOUR SITE. WILL THESE VARIOUS CONNECTIONS BEING PLACE BEFORE YOUR BUILDING IS READY TO OPEN BRACKNELL WAY WILL NEED TO BE COMPLETE AND OPEN. PRIOR TO OUR DEVELOPMENT OPENING. I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE FOR THE COMPLETION OF VILLAGE DRIVE THROUGH 2206. BUT AGAIN THERE IS, YOU KNOW THE ABILITY FOR A VEHICLE TO TRAVEL OUT TO THE SIGNAL HERE AT YOU KNOW, 518 AND VILLAGE DRIVE IF THEY NEEDED TO MAKE ANY OF THOSE LEFT TURN MANEUVERS. SHOULD YOU KNOW THE MALVERN SCHOOL OPEN PRIOR TO THAT CONNECTION OCCURRING SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO TAMWORTH DRIVE TO BE OPEN AND VILLAGE AND THE CHARBEL SECTION OF VILLAGE DRIVE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE CONNECTION OUT TO 206 CORRECT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION SO BASED ON THE PRIOR ACTION FROM THIS BOARD? FOR THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OF THAT BUILDING. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM THAT SO THE CONSTRUCTION ALONG TWO OR SIX. I THINK IT'S CALLED TERRIBLE. EARN UP THE VILLAGE WALK. VILLA SHOPPER VILLAGE SHOPPER. THAT ROAD HAS TO BE COMPLETE. IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR CERTAIN BUILDINGS. YEAH FOR THE FOR THE ONES IN THE IN THE IN THE ALONG TO A SIX THAT THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S CORRECT. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? YEAH. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SPEED IT UP. YEAH. SO WHAT I WOULD ASK KEVIN IS IF YOU CAN PROVIDE, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO PROVIDE A SUPPLEMENTAL ANALYSIS? UM I GUESS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD LOOK AT IF TAMWORTH DRIVE IS OPEN, BUT THE CONNECTION THAT MISSING CONNECTION OF THE VILLAGE SHOPPER PIECE OF THE UGLY SEE PEACE, WHATEVER. WE'RE CALLING IT IF THAT'S NOT IN, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS TO CONFIRM

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BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS A REQUEST IS BEING MADE. AND YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER SAID, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT ANALYSIS. AND THAT ANALYSIS IS SUPPOSED TO DEMONSTRATE IS THAT PORTION THAT VILLAGE SHOPPER PORTION DOES THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLETED? BEFORE THE MALVERN SCHOOL. IS OPERATIONAL BEFORE THEY GET THEIR CEO, AND THEY OPEN UP, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT? WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT ANALYSIS? I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO BRACKNELL WAY AND 10 WITH DR IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MY INTENT WOULD MY THINKING WAS THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS FROM MY REVIEW, AND I WOULD IF IT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO ME, THEN THEY MOVE FORWARD. IF NOT, THEN I WOULD SAY I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD. OKAY AND THEN ALREADY AND THE ANALYSIS WHAT ROADS ARE WE ANIMAL? WHAT I MEAN. ULTIMATELY THE CONCERN IS IF THE CONNECTION VILLAGE DRIVE OUT TO 206 IS NOT COMPLETE CONTROL RIGHT? ALL OF THE TRAFFIC. ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC WOULD NEED TO USE THE LIGHT AT 518 IN VILLAGE DRIVE, AND I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT INTERSECTION CAN OPERATE EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT WITH THIS SITE, OPEN AND VILLAGE RIGHT AND THE CONNECTION OUT TO 206 NOT COMPLETED. WITH LESS THAN AN ADDITIONAL. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE? YOU GOTTA JUST GO SO WITH LESS THAN ADDITIONAL 100 TRIPS, YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT THAT INTERSECTION WON'T FUNCTION. I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT 100 JUST BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS 100 TRIPS IS INSIGNIFICANT ON A STATE HIGHWAY. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT 100 TRIPS IS IN CANNES, INSIGNIFICANT ON ALL. HIGHWAYS.

WELL IF YOU WANT TO ADOPT THE T I D. YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THE BOT STANDARD AND THAT'S SIGNIFICANT IS 100 OR MORE. OTHERWISE. IT'S NOT BEAMS. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT. OKAY ARGUMENT. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT LEVELS SERVICE? ARE WE LOOKING AT THE WELL? NO, IT'S A SIGNAL, SO I GUESS IT'S LEVEL SERVICE WOULD BE LEVELS OF SERVICE. YES, OKAY. YES. OKAY.

I'M TOLD THAT JUST AGREE. OKAY OPEN NOW. NO. NOT COMPLETELY OKAY? DEFINITELY FAST. THAT'S THAT'S A PIECE OF THIS RIGHT IS AN OPEN NOISE. BRACKNELL WELL, YEAH, THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S MORE OF A SIGN OF THAT'S WHY, BUT THAT'S WHY CAMERA IS NOT OPEN. TAMWORTH TAMWORTH IS CONSTRUCTED UP TO THE POINT WHERE, YEAH, I DON'T NEED TO TESTIFY TO THAT. I ISSUES WITH GUIDE, RAIL AND LIGHTING ON BRACKNELL. THAT'S PREVENTING THE ROAD FROM. THERE WITHOUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THIS

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UM OKAY, WHO ON THE BOARD WOULD AGREE WITH THAT? THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO STAY, UM FOR A WHILE AFTER 10 O'CLOCK. I'M NOT CUBAN THAT SECOND RACE, OKAY? WHO WHO? DON'T WE JUST SAY WHO WOULD STAY TILL 1030 OR IS THERE ANYBODY THAT CAN'T STAY TOO PAST 1030? IF WE CAN WRAP IT UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR, ABLE TO MANY WHO CANNOT STAY TILL 1030 ALSO WHO THINK THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CONCENTRATE ON THIS FOR ANOTHER HALF HOUR OR THAT 10 THIRTY'S TOO LATE TO THINK STRAIGHT. STAY UNTIL 1030. OKAY STAY TILL 1030 CAN SAY 1030 IF IT MATTERS. WHO CANNOT IS THERE. ANYONE WHO CANNOT. OKAY I GUESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER HALF HOUR. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT AND FINAL WITNESSES.

JIM KYLE ARE PLANNER. WELL, I'M SO SORRY. DO YOU SWEAR FROM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. UH JIM, BY WHO ARE YOU EMPLOYED AND IN WHAT CAPACITY? SOME OF PRINCIPAL AND OWNER KYLE MCMANUS ASSOCIATES AND HOPEWELL, NEW JERSEY. AND WHAT'S YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND? WHAT LICENSES? DO YOU HOLD THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY ? SO I'M A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING AND DESIGN FROM RUTGERS, WHICH I RECEIVED IN 1996 BEEN A PRACTICING PLANNER FOR 25 YEARS. OUR OFFICE CURRENTLY REPRESENTS A NUMBER OF MUNICIPAL CLIENTS.

HAVE ALSO APPEARED BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD HERE IN MONTGOMERY. A NUMBER OF TIMES UM THE ASSISTED LIVING APPLICATION. I ALSO WORKED ON THE VILLAGE WALK, AMENDED APPROVAL, AND THEN I'VE APPEARED A NUMBER OF TIMES BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD AND WHAT LICENSE DO YOU HOLD IN STATE, NEW JERSEY. I'M LICENSED BY THE STATE AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER.

I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS. WE OFFER HIM AS AN EXPERT IN PLANNING, WE CAN ACCEPT HIM AS AN EXPERT IN PLANNING. NOW YOU DIDN'T PREPARE A REPORT SO I DON'T HAVE TO ASK YOU THOSE QUESTIONS. YOU DO NOT SO PLEASE, UH, TAKE US THROUGH THE REQUESTED VARIANCES AND TELL US ABOUT THE UM POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CRITERIA THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE GRAINING THE VARIANCES. SURE SO, GIVEN THE LATE HOUR I'LL TRY TO CONDENSE THIS DOWN, AND WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCE RELIEF THAT'S REQUIRED. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF VARIANCES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE PROFESSIONAL REVIEW MEMOS THAT I CONCUR WITH AND LET ME JUST LIST THEM, UM, FOR THE BOARDS INFORMATION. SO THE FIRST AS MR HABERMAN HAD SAID. THERE ARE A GROUP OF VARIANCES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE ACCESSORY PLACE STRUCTURES, SO WE HAVE JUST GO TO THE SITE PLANNING IT. SO WE HAVE, UM. THREE PLACE STRUCTURES THAT ARE WITHIN 20 FT. OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. WE ALSO HAVE THE BASKETBALL COURT THAT IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. IT'S AN ACCURATE STRUCTURE, BUT IT IS STILL A STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S A

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YEAH WE'VE STRIPED THAT AT 9 FT. IN THAT WHITE CROSSHATCH AREA THAT YOU SEE JUST SOUTH OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. AND IT IS LOCATED. IT IS LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND OBVIOUSLY THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY HERE IS THAT WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC STREET FRONTAGE IS TECHNICALLY WE HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS HERE, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE GET INTO THE VARIANTS DISCUSSION. THERE'S A BULK VARIANTS FOR STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AS WELL. WE DO HAVE SLOPES THAT ARE GREATER THAN THE 10% IN GREATER THAN 15% THAT ARE BEING DISTURBED, SO THAT DOES REQUIRE RELIEF. THERE IS A BULK VARIANCE FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAINING WALLS, AS MR HABERMAN HAD DISCUSSED. WE HAVE PRIMARILY FOUR AND 5 FT HEIGHTS ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. BUT AS YOU GET INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE STORM WATER, THIS BIO RETENTION BASIN. WE HAVE 11 FT WALLS ESSENTIAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT DETENTION AND RETENTION STRUCTURE, WHICH REQUIRES A VARIANCE. THERE ARE. THREE VARIANCES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURE AND I APOLOGIZE IN THE THIRD ONE BECAUSE THAT THE STUCCO ISSUE WAS NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE PROFESSIONAL MEMOS. UM BUT I DID CONFIRM AND LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE ACTUALLY, IN ONE OF THE MEMOS I LISTED AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS REQUIRED BECAUSE I WAS UNSURE OF WHAT THE MATERIAL IS SO THERE ARE REALLY THREE VIRUSES RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURE. THE FIRST, UM WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE VISUAL BREAKS IN IN THE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THIS BUILDING, WHICH ARE NOT PROVIDED, WHICH REQUIRES RELIEF. THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT ANY BUILDING FACE THAT FRONTS ON A PUBLIC STREET BE CONSIDERED A FRONT ENTRANCE AND PROVIDE AN ENTRANCE . UM SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS NOT PROVIDED, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THIS FACILITY, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHAT ENDS UP DRIVING OUR INABILITY TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. AND THEN RELIEF STUCCO IS PERMITTED AS AN ACCENT MATERIAL ONLY ON THE BUILDINGS. BUT AS WE HEARD FROM MR FEINBERG , UM YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE STONE ACCENT. ON THE FRONT. JUST GO TO THE SURE. SO I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT THE PRIMARY FACADE MATERIAL ON THIS BUILDING IS STUCK OUT. UM I DO UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT THE MAYOR IS COMING PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES IN MONTGOMERY, WHICH LED TO THIS I KIND OF WANT TO STRESS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MR SCANDAL, THE OWNER AND MR FEINBERG AND ASSURE THE BOARD THAT THE MASONRY THAT GOES ON THIS BUILDING IS IT IS STUCCO. TECHNICALLY. BUT IT'S DONE KIND OF IN THE OLD STYLE. UM WHERE IT'S MIXED ON SITE. IT'S NOT IF IT'S OR, YOU KNOW, PREMIXED MATERIAL IT'S ACTUALLY DONE BY ARTISANS THAT FACE THIS BUILDING . SO IT'S A QUALITY, UH, CEMENTED THIS MATERIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP PUTTING ON THIS. BUT AGAIN, WE DO NEED RELIEF FOR THAT. SO LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND WILL REALLY TALK ABOUT THESE FOUR VARIANCES TOGETHER. UM, I THINK THIS WOULD MEET THE C TWO CRITERIA WHERE THE PURPOSES OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW WOULD BE PROMOTED AND THE BENEFITS WOULD OUTWEIGH THE DETRIMENTS. SO THE PRIMARY PURPOSE HERE THAT HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE A AND THAT'S THE GENERAL WELFARE, PUBLIC SAFETY. UM WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS. SO YOU KNOW THIS APPLICATION WAS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD HAD A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE CO LOCATED WITH THE STEAK CARE FACILITY. AFTER THE I CAN'T REMEMBER OBLIGE. IF WE HAVE ONE OR TWO HEARINGS. WE HAD SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ON THAT APPLICATION, AND IT WAS MODIFIED TO JUST BE A SINGLE BUILDING CHILDCARE CENTER AT THAT POINT, SO WE SPENT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT THIS RELIEF WAS IDENTIFIED IN THAT APPLICATION. WE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME WITH THE OPERATOR DISCUSSING THIS RELIEF AND SEEING IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE THIS COMPLIANT, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS REALLY COMES DOWN TO AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE FOR MALVERN SCHOOL. THE PROXIMITY OF THESE STRUCTURES TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS DONE VERY PURPOSELY. AND IT'S AN ISSUE OF THE STAFF'S ABILITY TO BETTER SUPERVISE STUDENTS NOT ONLY INSIDE BUT OUTSIDE NOW, IF YOU

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WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE STRUCTURES. UM ON A SITE THAT ARE TOO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER IF YOU HAD A SHED SAY ON A COMMERCIAL FACILITY WHERE YOU HAD MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT IN IT.

YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE WITHIN 20 FT OF THE BUILDING LIKELY FOR FIRE CUT PURPOSES, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE ARE NOT STORAGE STRUCTURES THERE PLAY STRUCTURE, SO I DON'T THINK THE GRANT OF THE RELIEF IN THIS CASE IS GOING TO RESULT IN ANY SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT TO THE INTENT OF THAT STANDARD. THE HOT BOX SET BACK. WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT. UM YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VARIANCE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON A FEW APPLICATIONS IN THIS AREA. THE ASSISTED LIVING BEING ONE OF THEM. WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE WHEN THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED MORE THAN 100 FT FROM THE PRIMARY ROADWAY. AMERICAN WATER IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT WE PROVIDE THE STRUCTURE AROUND THESE FACILITIES. SO. THIS WOULD ALSO QUALIFY UNDER THE SEA TO ANALYSIS. THE PURPOSE THAT WOULD BE PROMOTED HERE IS THE GENERAL WELFARE. GRANTING THE RELIEF IN THIS CASE JUST ALLOWS THAT HOTBOX TO BE IN A LOCATION. IN THIS CASE. I SAID AS I SAID, WE MOVED IT BACK ANOTHER 1110 OR 11 FT FROM ITS ORIGINAL POSITION. IT ALLOWS IT IN THE LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN STILL ACCESS THE FACILITY. FOR MANY MAINTENANCE THAT MAY BE REQUIRED BY NEW JERSEY AMERICAN BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THEIR STRUCTURE, UM, AND HAVE ACCESS TO IT IN A LOCATION WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME ONTO THE SITE, AND THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE. IF THEY NEED TO GET IN THERE FOR MAINTENANCE. THEY CAN DO IT WITHOUT COMING ONTO THE SITE. SO THERE'S A THERE'S A BENEFIT THERE. IF THERE'S EVER AN ISSUE, THEY CAN EASILY ACCESS IT AND CORRECT ANY PROBLEMS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. AS FAR AS ANY IMPACT OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AS MR HABERMAN HAD DESCRIBED. WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE BERM THAT STRETCHES ALONG THAT SOUTHERN PARKING LOT BOUNDARY YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RENDERING HERE WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING. THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE SIDE OF THIS, UM , WHERE THE OPENING IS FOR ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE THAT WILL NOT HAVE LANDSCAPING. BUT WE'VE LOCATED SOME A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY FROM THAT. THAT DOESN'T IMPEDE THE OPENING OF THAT DOOR.

FOR ACCESS SO IT WILL BE WELL SCREENED FROM 518 YOU CAN SEE ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THIS EXHIBIT. WE HAVE SOME VEGETATION THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN AND THEN WE'LL BE SUPPLEMENTED SO IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE TO THOSE THAT ARE DRIVING ALONG 518 NOR TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE TO THE SOUTH OF THIS ACROSS 518, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT FROM THAT.

AND AS FAR AS THE INTENT, PURPOSE OF THE ZONE PLAN AGAIN, NOTHING SPECIFIC IN THE MASTER PLAN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR STANDARD. BUT IT'S LARGELY VISUAL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING AND ARE DISTRACTING IN THIS CASE, GIVEN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SCREEN IT VERY WELL. IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE. THEY THINK IT'S FOUR OR 5 FT. TALL, ROUGHLY 5 FT. TALL SO IT'S AND IT'S A

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OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE PLENTY OF LENGTH IN THAT LOADING SPACE, SO PLENTY OF ROOM. MOST OF THOSE SINGLE UNIT TRUCKS WILL FIT FINE IN THAT IN THAT 9 FT, WITH THOSE DELIVERIES THAT DO OCCUR WILL BE INFREQUENT AND ALSO IN VEHICLES THAT WILL NOT BLOCK THE DR ISLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THE BENEFIT HERE ON THE C TWO ANALYSIS IS THAT WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE ABOUT 6 FT OF PAYMENT WITH FOR THAT ENTIRE 99 FT. THE BENEFIT IS WE'RE GETTING RID OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED ON THE SITE THAT REDUCES STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IT REDUCES MOTOR VEHICLE SURFACE, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO REDUCE IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, SO THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC THERE AS FAR AS ANY IMPACT WITH JASON PROPERTIES AGAIN. THIS IS MORE OF AN INTERNAL ISSUE WITH THE WIDTH OF THAT SPACE. WON'T REALLY AFFECT ANY ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND THE OBVIOUS INTENT HERE IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE LOADING FACILITIES THAT DON'T BLOCK DR ISLES DON'T TAKE UP REGULAR PARKING SPACES, WHICH THIS LOADING ZONE WILL ACHIEVE AT THE NINTH FOOT WITH FOR US, UM, ALSO WITH THE FRONT BEING IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ISSUE AGAIN. WE HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS HERE. FROM THE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS FACILITY . OBVIOUSLY WE CANNOT LOCATE A LOADING AREA WHERE WE HAVE PLAY ARDS, SO IT DOES PRESENT A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY IN MEETING THE STANDARD OF LOCATING IT TO THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE BUILDING. IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL FOR A SITE LIKE THIS, GIVEN THE THREE ROAD FRONTAGE IS AS WELL AS THE PLAYER IS SO UM, BUT AGAIN, NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES FROM THAT, GIVEN THE SCREENING AND ALSO THE FACT THAT, UM IT WON'T IMPAIR THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S WELL OFF THE ROADWAY AND WON'T LARGELY BE VISIBLE TO THOSE TRAVELING BY THE SITE. UH THE STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE. UM THIS , I WOULD SAY QUALIFIES UNDER THE C ONE CRITERIA WHERE THERE IS A UNIQUE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATUTE, SLOPE CHARACTERISTICS ARE ONE OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT CAN QUALIFY HERE ON HARDSHIP BASIS. AS MR HABERMAN HAD DISCUSSED, AND OBVIOUSLY OUR OFFICES LITERALLY THREE MILES DOWN THE ROAD. I'M THROUGH HERE ALL THE TIME. DID LOOK AT IT AGAIN. TODAY I WORKED ON THE VILLAGE SHOP AROUND THE VILLAGE WALK APPLICATION. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YOU KNOW THAT IS A CONDITION THAT IS REALLY UNIQUE TO THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. AS YOU LOOK FURTHER TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH EVEN AS YOU GO INTO THE PROMENADE, YOU DON'T SEE THESE TYPES THIS TYPE OF TOPOGRAPHIC CHARACTERISTIC IN ANY OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTY, SO IT IS UNIQUE REALLY TO THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. THERE IS REALLY NO PRACTICAL WAY TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH ANY USE WITHOUT DISTURBING THOSE SLOPES. I DID GO OUT TO THE SITE AGAIN TODAY AND LOOK AT THEM. MOST OF THE STEEPER SLOPES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING PAD WHERE THAT HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE HIGHEST PART OF THE SITE. IT'S KIND OF ON A LEVEL PORTION, BUT THEN IT KIND OF GOES DOWN THE SLOPE SO AS THEY FLATTENED FOR THAT BUILDING PAD, THEY CREATED RETAINING WALLS, AND THEN THEY HAD THESE SLOPE AREAS THAT WERE ESSENTIALLY MAN MADE. SO SOME OF THE SLOPES THAT ARE OVER 10% ARE NATURALLY OCCURRING. BUT THIS SIDE IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY IT IS ESSENTIALLY JUST ONE SLOPE FROM BRACKNELL, WAY STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE EAST AT ABOUT AN 8% SLOPE. SO ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME KIND OF DISTURBANCE OF THOSE SLOPES. WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO AVOID THEM, BUT THERE'S ESSENTIALLY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SITE . THEY'RE NOT AT THE PERIMETERS. THEY'RE KIND OF DEAD IN THE CENTER, SO IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO BUILD ANYTHING ON THE SITE WITHOUT DISTURBING SOME OF THOSE AS MR HABERMAN HAD INDICATED THE RELATIVELY MINOR AND AREA THEY REPRESENT LESS THAN 5% OF THE TOTAL AREA OF THE SITE. SO IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE IN THAT REGARD, BUT I THINK WE CAN READILY DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S A HARDSHIP REALLY, TO DEVELOP ANYTHING ON THE SITE WITHOUT DISTURBING THOSE WHICH IS DOES MEET THE POSITIVE CRITERIA AS FAR AS ANY IMPACT TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UM AS MR HABERMAN HAD TALKED ABOUT. WE HAVE SPENT TIME TALKING WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST. RIGHT NOW. THE CONDITION OF THIS PROPERTY IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR THEM BECAUSE ALL THAT WATER SHEET FLOWS DOWN THE HILL AND GOES DIRECTLY ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. THERE'S NO ATTENUATION OR NO CONTROL. UM, THEY WERE ACTUALLY HAPPY THAT WE WERE DOING THIS. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CATCH ALL THAT WATER. NOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCHARGE IT INTO A CLOSED SYSTEM RATHER THAN DIRECTLY ONTO THEIR PROPERTY, AND WE WERE VERY CAREFUL IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. MR HABERMAN HAD WITH ROB CORKAGE FROM ACT WHOSE THEIR THEIR

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SO TO TRY TO PUT A SECOND ESSENTIALLY FRONT FACADE ON THIS BUILDING WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS. AND REALLY, WHAT IT ENDS UP GOING TO IS THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN THAT ARE IN THIS FACILITY, AND IT'S A PUBLIC WELFARE BENEFIT IN THIS CASE. TO ENSURE THAT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING ONLY HAS ONE FRONT ENTRANCE THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED FOR ACCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CHILDREN THAT ARE IN THE FACILITY ARE SAFE ON A DAILY BASIS, SO IT DOES PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE. IN THAT REGARD AS FAR AS ANY IMPACT TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES FROM THIS STANDARD. IT'S LARGELY VISUAL ISSUE. UM, WE DO HAVE THE ONE FRONT FACADE. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS BUILDING IS SET WELL BACK FROM BREAK. NO WAY. WE'VE TALKED THIS EVENING ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN ON THE OUTSIDE PERIMETER OF THAT FENCE. WHICH IS LARGELY GOING TO TAKE CARE OF MOST OF THAT CONCERN OVER ANY VISUAL IMPACT AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND THE INTERNET AGAIN, LARGELY VISUAL IF THIS WERE COMMERCIAL BUILDING WHERE THERE WERE RETAIL STORES HERE, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. BUT FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY LIKE THIS WITH SECURITY NEEDS UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOES NOT. SO I THINK THE INTENT OF THE STANDARD WAS REALLY RELATED TO THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF SUCH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. HERE THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK THE RELIEF GIVEN THE PARTICULAR SITUATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS FACILITY WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIR THE INTENT OF THAT AGAIN, PARTICULARLY GIVEN HOW WE'RE DEVELOPING THE SITE AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT WILL HAVE THEIR THE SECOND ISSUE WAS RELATED TO THE VISUAL BREAKS. UH IN THE BUILDING AND AGAIN SIMILAR ISSUE WITH THE FUNCTION OF THIS BUILDING AND THE SPACES THAT WE HAVE TO CREATE INSIDE. THIS BUILDING IS NOT REALLY OF A SUDDEN, AND I WOULD GET THIS IF THIS WERE A LARGER SHOPPING CENTER TYPE BUILDING, AND WE HAD

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YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, YOU'VE PROBABLY HAD A PRACTICAL ISSUE WITH HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE HAD POOR STUCCO JOBS THAT YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IMPACTED THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE. BUT I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE END PRODUCT HERE AND THE QUALITY OF THIS IT IS A MASONRY FINISHED.

IT IS WELL CONSTRUCTED. I THINK IT YOU KNOW, AND YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT THE FACADE OF THIS BUILDING IS NOW CHANGED FROM THE FRONT. SO WE'VE ADDED MORE SYMMETRICAL WINDOWS. THE FACADE IS MORE MORE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACE. UM YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN. ON THE OTHER FACADES, THE SIDE AND THE REAR. WHERE WHERE FEASIBLE TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY ALLOWING STUCK ON THIS BUILDING AND THE QUALITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL GET AGAIN. NOT ANY FASTER PRODUCT. THIS IS ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, MASONRY STUCCO THAT WILL BE APPLIED IN THREE STAGES.

THREE STAGES, SO IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S TRUE MASONRY STUCCO, NOT THE TYPICAL PRODUCT THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST. SO I THINK HERE ARE THE BENEFIT IS THAT WE'LL STILL GET AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING THAT WILL BE DURABLE. IT'LL KIND OF AVOID A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT THESE STANDARDS WERE INTENDED TO ADDRESS. SO ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T IT CERTAINLY WON'T IMPACT ADJACENT PROPERTIES, PARTICULARLY GIVEN HOW FAR THIS BUILDING IS FROM THE ROADWAY IN THE PERCEPTION OF IT FROM THOSE DISTANCES SHOULD SHOULD NOT BE AN IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND I THINK IT'S STILL MEETS THE INTENT. YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE QUALITY CONSTRUCTION, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS WILL STILL BE AN ATTRACTIVE MASONRY BUILDING WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. CAN YOU REPEAT THE BENEFIT? THEN WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT IT WOULD BE A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY FOR THE OWNER TO REDESIGN THE ENTIRE FACADE OF THIS BUILDING. UM WHY IT'S. THIS IS A PROTOTYPE THAT WE'VE SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME DEVELOPING, UM YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BRANDING ISSUE. IT'S ALTHOUGH MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND EASILY IDENTIFIED AS MALVERN SCHOOL, IT'S JUST THIS IS THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT POSITIVE CRITERIA BENEFIT MHM. ACTUALLY YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WRAPPING THAT ALL UP TOGETHER, AT THE END OF THE DAY. THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT OR THE IT'S A VISUAL ISSUE, AND IT'S A QUALITY ISSUE, AND I THINK THE REPRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE TONIGHT OR THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO ACHIEVE WHAT THE ORDINANCE DESIRES IN RESTRICTING THE STANDARD. USING THIS PRODUCT AS IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL STUCCO THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT WERE PROBLEMATIC IN THE TOWNSHIP. AND MOST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS NOW ARE NOT USING TRUE STUCK OUT, MASON READ. THEY'RE DOING ETHOS, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT. IT'S YOU KNOW, A PREFABRICATED PANELS AND UM I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL THAT ATTRACTIVE. SO THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID WITH THESE STANDARDS. SO THE BENEFIT WE STILL GET AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING. I THINK YOU KNOW WE CAN LOOK AT THE IMAGE. THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS ABOUT. THIS IS, UM. 89 SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT A NINE WE'RE STILL ACHIEVING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE USING STUCCO. SO THE LAST VARIANTS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE BASIN WALL

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AND THEN YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT SOME OF THE HILLSIDE AND TAPESTRY PROJECTS DID HAVE SOME RETAINING WALLS. UM BUT I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW THAT. 11 BUT THERE ARE SOME IN THE AREA IS THE POINT. WELL JEFF HAD TESTIFIED. THERE WERE SOME ONE WAS 16. YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

TO HAVE A RETAINING WALL THAT SIZE IN THIS TOWNSHIP AND FOR THE SAFETY ISSUES. THERE IS A FENCE AT THE TOP TO PREVENT PEOPLE FALLING OFF THEIR R AND I ASSUME THE RETAINING WALL HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WON'T COLLAPSE AT THE BOTTOM DUE TO STORMWATER HOPE SO, YES.

UM NO, IT HAS. YEAH, OF COURSE. THAT WALL NEEDS TO BE STRUCTURALLY DESIGNED AND SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING APARTMENT BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN 4 FT IN HEIGHT, SO THEY'LL REVIEW ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS AS WELL. WE ALWAYS INTEGRATE DRAINAGE INTO THAT VERY CAREFULLY, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING REGARDING I'M SORRY INSTRUCTIONS REGARDING THE RETAINING WALL. THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE ROUTINE WALL HAS TO BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO SEEING INTO THE FINAL PLANS. SO LIKE TO BE REVIEWED BY OUR OFFICE AND THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER BEFORE BEFORE THE SIDE PLANS RIGHT SIDE GOOD. THANK YOU, MR DARCY. YEP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE QUICK

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AGAIN. FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH. ALL RIGHT, SO IT IS NOW. 1030 HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT STAYING TILL 11? I DON'T I'M DONE. I UM I'M DONE. I'M SORRY I STAY UP LATE, BUT, UM I AM HUNGRY. I'M HUNGRY IS NOT GREAT. JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEM. THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AREA.

PROBABLY WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO GIFTS, GIFTS. AND ALSO, MR PETRINO. I THINK I HAD MENTIONED TO YOU. ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS CAME RIGHT AFTER YOU HAD BEGUN YOUR COMMENTS AND YOU'D INDICATED YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO QUICKLY. JUST RECAP. SO THAT IF WE GET TO VOTE TONIGHT, OUR MEMBER COULD VOTE. OKAY, WELL AGAIN, UH, AFTER INTRODUCING THE PROJECT. AND. OUR SERVICE OF AND PUBLICATION OF NOTICE. THE BOARD TOOK JURISDICTION. I WENT THROUGH THE, UM, SIZE OF THE SITE TO ZONING OF THE SCIENTIST GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE SITE. UH, IT'S IN THE HC OR HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE. I WENT THROUGH THE REQUESTED RELIEF THAT'S BEING, UH THANK YOU. OR PRELIMINARY FINAL SITE PLAN. THE VARIANCES THAT YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT QUICKLY WENT THROUGH AND JUST DESCRIBE THEM. AND THE OTHER THING I DID WAS JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS AND WITH REGARD TO THOSE SOMERSET COUNTY IS PENDING, AND WE HAVE SOIL CON, UM SOIL CONSERVATION DISTRICT. UH CERTIFICATION D N R. WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT. THEY HAVE NO ISSUES. THEY CAN'T GRANT THE CERTIFICATE. UH AUTHORIZATION THAT THEY GRANT UNTIL A LESSON UNTIL THERE'S A LOCAL ACTION TAKEN FAVORABLY. AND WE HAVE TO, UH, RECORD A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. UM, AND WE'RE. WATER AND SORE. WE HAVE APPLICATIONS INTO THE APPROPRIATE UTILITIES, TOO. PROVIDE WATER AND SOAR TO THE SITE. SO THAT WAS GENERALLY ALL I WENT THROUGH BECAUSE THERE ARE THE SMART GUYS, I'M JUST UP HERE AS A PRETTY FACE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. SO IT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE SORT OF REACHED RIGHT ARE ARE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. UM DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I THINK WE CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR RIGHT MAXIMUM, UH, FIVE MINUTES, RIGHT? SIR WE NEED YOUR NAME. IF YOU COULD SPELL IT, PLEASE. ANDREW DAVIS, D A V. I S I LIVE IN. MR DAVIS. YOU CAN EITHER GIVE US YOUR FULL ADDRESS, OR AT LEAST ADVISE WHAT TOWN YOU LIVE IN. SKILLMAN ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND WE'RE GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU PROFESSIONALS. THANKS FOR STICKING IN THERE THIS LATE AND THANKS FOR MR BLOGGER FOR RECOGNIZE ME AND OFFERING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET UP THIS LATE HOUR. I'LL BE VERY QUICK. UM I DON'T. MY INTENTION IS NOT TO ENGAGE IN EXTENSIVE BACK AND FORTH. I THINK I CAN DO THIS IN FIVE MINUTES OR LESS. SO I PROPOSED IS LIKE FIVE BASIC ISSUES. I'LL JUST READ DOWN THE LIST IF I COULD, AND THEN HOWEVER, YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS OR CONSIDERED. I'D APPRECIATE THAT. SO FIRST WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC. OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT. I'M NOT OBVIOUSLY, BUT I AM NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I LIVE IN THE AREA VERY CLOSE TO THIS

[03:25:06]

THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT THIS ONE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? OR IS THAT NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED? BECAUSE THAT EXACTLY VIEW AND I GET YOU KNOW, BEAUTY'S IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. SO JUST MY PERSONAL VIEW IS I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PARTICULARLY GOOD LOOKING SCHOOL . I THINK THAT LOOKS LIKE A MCMANSION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAYBE MELBOURNE'S STANDARD BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DON'T ALLOW THE STANDARD MCDONALD'S THEY MAKE THEM LOOK A LITTLE BIT NICER. I DON'T I THINK THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AND I THINK THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT AT THE SHORE BILL PROPERTIES. IT WAS VERY NICE LOOKING SO TO THE EXTENT THAT COLORS OR SOMETHING COULD BE COORDINATED WITH THE TOWNHOUSES THERE, I THINK WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM LAST POINT, THE CROSSWALK LIGHTING ISSUE THAT MR BLODGETT RAISING THE STREET LIGHTING. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THIS IS YOU ARE EXACTLY TRYING TO MAKE THIS MORE WALKABLE. THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIANS FOR SURE. AND NOT ONLY STREET LIGHTING, BUT ONE THING I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. MAYBE NOT HERE. BUT IN THE TOWNSHIP ARE THOSE CROSSWALKS WITH THE ILLUMINATED FLASHING THE LIGHTS BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE PEDESTRIANS? SO THAT'S AN AH, LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANKS FOR THE TIME HERE IS A DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED FACADE, IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE INTERESTING COLORS TO IT IS THEIR COLOR, RENDERING BECAUSE THAT I DIDN'T SEE THE COLOR COLOR TESTIFIED HERE, OKAY? YOU'VE HEARD WHAT I HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. SO UM, IS THAT IT? UM WE WILL HAVE TO ADJOURN.

YEAH. HMM. OR. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. DO WE WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE? AND WE GAVE YOU A HALF HOUR AND YOU TOOK 45. THAT'S RIGHT. ACTUALLY TOOK ONE THAT RIGHT. SO, UM ALL RIGHT. IS

[03:30:01]

YES SO PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED AND. LET'S SEE WHAT WE DO DISCUSSION. UM ARE WE GOING TO HAVE BOARD DISCUSSION? I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH ALL THE MEMOS YET. WHAT WELL, I MEAN THE APPLICANT. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS. I REALIZED THE BOARD HAS NOT GOING THROUGH ALL THE MEMOS THEMSELVES , BUT I WOULD SAY THEY DID. WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SHADE TREE COMMITTEE MEMO, THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL MORE OF MY MOST.

YES LET'S EXTEND, UM. WE HAD ADDRESSED ALL OF THE NOSE THAT WE RECEIVED. AND THE LETTER DATED DECEMBER, 8TH HAD. 80% WILL COMPLY. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME THAT INDICATED WE WOULD PROVIDE TESTIMONY. AND WE'VE WE BELIEVE WE'VE PROVIDED TESTIMONY ON OTHERS ISSUES SO WE IN TERMS OF I KNOW THE MAYOR OR SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT SO WE GOT. I MEAN, THAT CAME ACROSS FRIDAY EVENING FOR THAT BIG 36 PAGE THINGS. SO I MEAN, FRANKLY, I JUST FEEL LIKE I DON'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING INTO THE PERSONALLY I'D LIKE TO. I THINK WE SHOULD EXTEND THE LEAST, YOU KNOW, 1520 MINUTES OF DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD AT LEAST AND UM DO YOU ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH. NO, WE MEET TWICE, BUT OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE CHRISTMAS DAY. OH NO, NO, I'M THINKING DON'T MEET JANUARY 8TH. AND THEN IS IT THE 20? WE HAVE WE HAVE JANUARY 8TH, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD BE THE EIGHTH THAT WOULD GET CARRIED 22ND JANUARY 22ND IN JANUARY, 8TH HMM. IT'S OUR REWORK. IS THAT THE CONSENSUS THEN THAT THE BOARD IS LIKE TO CARRY AND MARRY. YOU THINK THAT MOST OF THE BOARD CONSTITUENTS WOULD BE THE SAME. I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE A CORE.

AND SO I MEAN, EVEN THE NEW BOARD MEMBER. I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO. WE WOULD HE WOULDN'T HE OR SHE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE PARTICIPATE RIGHT? WANTED TO, WE WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT EXTRA VOTE IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. WELL, THEN, IF THAT IS THE BOARD'S CONSENSUS 22ND FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING FROM HOME, UM THIS APPLICATION THAT WOULD BE CARRIED TO JANUARY 2020 FOR THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO RE NOTICE. QUESTION IF YOU HAVE NEW BOARD MEMBERS. AND THEY'RE NOT. WHEN WOULD THEY BE SWORN IN? THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO BEFORE THE EIGHTH. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE WATCHING IT IS NOT REALLY A POSSIBILITY IF IT'S ON THE EIGHTH, BUT WE DON'T NEED THAT BOARD MEMBER TO HAVE A QUORUM THEY WOULD BE SWORN IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST MEETING, AND THE REORG MEETING IS, UM THE NIGHT BEFORE. I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING A BIG ONE. I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THOUGH, IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET WELL , TONIGHT WE HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS WHO CAN PARTICIPATE. HAVING A BEAR QUORUM ON THE EIGHTH IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME MEMBERS. IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE COMPRISE. THE MEETING ON THE EIGHTH WILL BE COMPRISED OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRESENT HERE, PLUS ONE RIGHT AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, THEIR, UM THEIR TERM IS OVER. AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY ALL THE NUMBERS. YEAH. ONE. YOU THINK WE'VE GOT OR SOMEBODY GOES ON VACATION. WELL EVERYBODY THINK WE USUALLY END AT 10. IT'S NOW WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PUBLIC DISCUSSION. UNDERSTOOD JUST SAYING TONIGHT. DID THEY ANTICIPATE BEING HERE IN JANUARY OR SOME PEOPLE? WILL BE HERE, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY RAISE YOUR HAND. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE JANUARY 8TH I KNOW TODAY? YES. CORRECT. THAT'S EVERYBODY. OKAY SO I GUESS YOU'VE CONTINUED IT WITHOUT PUBLIC NOTICE. ADDITIONAL PUBLIC, UH, NOTICE.

SO HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON JANUARY. 8TH THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. WE NEED AN EXTENSION, SHERRY SAID IF WE CARRY IT, WE SHOULD GET AN EXTENSION. I

[03:35:01]

IF YOU WANT TO SIGN IT, THERE'S OTHER ACTIONS, RIGHT? SO, UM IS THAT WHAT ALL WE NEED TO DO? TURN E. YOU CAN MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. FOR FUTURE MEETING , WHICH WAS JUST SAID IT'S JANUARY. 8TH UM AND THEN I GUESS IT'S ADJOURNED. WASHINGTON THIS APPLICATION WILL BE RESUMED ON, UM GENERATE JANUARY 8 AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO INJURY?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.