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GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD . MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY, IS A REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER. 28TH 2023 SCHEDULED START TIME WITH SEVEN PM IT'S THE INTENTION OF THE ZONING BOARD TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY GET THEIR TIME IS NOW SEVEN OR THREE AT THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE MEETING, UM, UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS, ACT NOTICE IN TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS
[I. ROLL CALL]
. SHERRY WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? BLODGETT? EUROPE. ROSENTHAL. MOUSSAVI SKI. HERE, SING. YEAH MARK WOULD FRONT HERE. DEEDEE. MATTER. DRILL HERE. NOVALEE HERE. SERGEY.THANK YOU. MR WALMART, CAN YOU LEAD US IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG? UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
REPUBLIC STANDS ON NATION UNDER GOD. INDIVISIBLE WITH. BURNER. TIME OF THE MEETING WHERE WE OPEN THE FLOOR TO FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH AND AS A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC. THIS IS FOR COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TODAY'S GENDER AGENDA. SO ONLY COMMENTS FOR GENERAL NATURE. BUT I SEE NO ONE HERE, SO I'M GOING ASSUMING THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY
[IV. APPLICATION CONTINUATION TO JANUARY 23, 2024]
UH, THE NEXT. ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AN APPLICATION CONTINUATION. THIS IS CASE BE A TECH 04 TECH TO THREE. THE APPLICANT IS REGARD MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED. AH APPLYING FOR BLOCK 29 JERSEY 02 LOTS, 49 AND 50. COMMONLY KNOWN AS 10 TO 6 COUNTY ROAD, 518. UM. THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN CARRIED TO THE JANUARY 2023. UH JANUARY. 23 2024 IS ONLY BOARD MEETING AND NO FURTHER NOTICE IS REQUIRED A SUGGESTION ON THIS. I'M NOTICING THAT THE EXPLORATION DATE WHEN THE BOARD CAN DECIDE THE APPLICATION IS FEBRUARY 3 2024. NOW IF THEY WERE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT'S TOTALLY REASONABLE, BUT THEY'VE ASKED TO BE CARRIED TO JANUARY 23. NOW THAT EXPLORATION DATE IS UNREASONABLE, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CARRY THIS WITHOUT NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE ON THE CONDITION. THAT THEY EXTEND THE TIME TO DECIDE THE APPLICATION TO MARCH 31 2024.AND IF THEY DON'T AGREE TO DO THAT, THEN YOU MAKE THEM RE NOTICE. BUT LET'S HERE. WE GOT A VERBAL FROM THEIR ATTORNEY THAT THEY WOULD EXTEND IT. WE SENT THEM AN EXTENSION FORM TO THIS MORNING TO MARCH. 31ST WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO SIGN IT AND SEND IT BACK AGAIN. THIS IS THE CONDITION THE SO THE CONDITIONS STANDS, THEN, SO LONG AS THEY AGREE. THANK YOU, JOHN. FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. UH THE NEXT IS THE ONLY APPLICATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR. TODAY IS CASE BE A
[V. APPLICATION]
TEXT 052 TO THREE. THE APPLICANT IS RAMA KRISHNA UGANDA. UH BLOCK OF 40 TO 2 LOT THREE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS 143 COST SCARBOROUGH ROAD. THIS IS THE TO CONSTRUCT A SUNROOM ADDITION THAT WILL EXCEED THE PERMITTED FLOOR AREA RATIO. AH THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THIS APPLICATION IS FEBRUARY 9TH 2024 AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION OF PUBLICATIONS REQUIRED. ALRIGHT APPLICATION APPLICANT.THE FLOOR IS YOURS. YES PLEASE. AND THEN THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS ROOM OR QUITE BAD. SO WHEN YOU SPEAK AND YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE QUITE CLOSELY IS REQUIRED SO. CAN BOTH OF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELVES FOR THE RECORD WAS I'M GOING TO SWEAR YOU GUYS IN THEM, AND THEY SWEAR THE BOARD EXPERTS IN CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF TO PUSH YOU CAN SIT AND YOU KNOW YOU, YOU PUSH IF YOU WANT TO SILENCE IT, YOU LEAVE IT ALONE IF YOU WANT TO TALK. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS RAMA KRISHNA AND LAST NAME IS KNOWN UGANDA THE APPLICANT APPLICANT SITTING TO YOUR RIGHT. HE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER FROM THE SANTORUM COMPANY PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE CONTRACTOR. THE CONTRACT. CAN YOU GET THAT MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF YOU? AND THE TECHNICAL DIRECTION FOR THE SUNROOM COMPANY IN CHARGE OF ALL ASPECTS OF DRAWING. ARE YOU GOING TO
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TESTIFY? YES OKAY, SO CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS BRYAN ADAMS. THAT'S EASY ENOUGH. I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ASK YOU TO SPELL YOUR LAST NAME. AND YOU ARE THE TECHNICAL DIRECTOR DIRECTOR OF WHAT COMPANY J SON ROOMS AND ADDITIONS. NJ SUNROOFS AND BRUISE. YEAH. AND ADDITIONS.YES OKAY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE A FACT WITNESS. NOT AN EXPERT. CORRECT I'M SORRY. YOU'RE GOING TO DESCRIBE THE CONSTRUCTION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, CORRECT? OKAY YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT WITNESS. YOU'RE JUST WITH THE COMPANY NOT KNOWN EXPERT. AND IN THAT SENSE YOU'RE AN EXPERT. IN WHAT UM. WELL I'VE BEEN IN THIS INDUSTRY AND HAVE BEEN IN AMERICA SINCE 30 YEARS NOW, AND I CAME OVER TO INTRODUCE A SPECIALIST FORM OF CONSERVATORIES THAT WERE POPULAR IN ENGLAND. I HELPED CREATE THE COMPANY AND BUILD IT UP WITH MY BACKGROUND HAVE BEEN IN A SIMILAR POSITION IN ENGLAND, SO I'VE BEEN IN THE TRADE SINCE EARLY SEVENTIES. AND ALL I'VE EVER DONE AND ROSE TO BE A TECHNICAL DIRECTOR BEFORE. MOVING OVER TO THE STATES. THIS IS NOT AN INSULT OR ANYTHING. DO YOU HAVE ANY LICENSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANY CORRECT NOW? YEAH, WHY DON'T WE? FOR NOW WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE YOU AS A HIGHLY LEARNED FACT WITNESS. CORRECT? YES OKAY. YES SO LET'S HAVE ALL FOUR OF YOU STAND UP.
YOU TWO AND THOSE TWO EVERYONE RAISE THE RIGHT HAND. LOOK AT ME . EVERYONE SWEAR THAT OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IN THIS MATTER WILL BE THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. NO. I DO. I DO. OKAY CAN YOU GUYS IDENTIFY YOURSELVES FOR THE RECORD? AND SO THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE? I'M RAKESH DORJE. I'M THE ZONING BOARD ENGINEER. MY NAME IS JAMES CLAVELL, AND I'M THE ZONING BOARD PLANNER. OKAY TAKE IT AWAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT UH, YOU KNOW, SO SINCE YOU'RE NOT REPRESENTED BY AND I PRESUME THAT YOU'RE NOT FORMAL WITH THIS, UH, FAMILIAR WITH THESE TYPES OF PROCEEDINGS IF YOU COULD JUST LEAD US THROUGH THE APPLICATION THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP, UH, WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, BUT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO REVIEW IT HERE. UM YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF OUR BODY HERE IS THAT THE THAT THE APPLICATION DOES NOT. PRECISELY CONFORM TO OUR REGULAR TO THE TOWNSHIP ZONING REGULATIONS, AND WE'RE HERE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE YOU KNOW THE APPLICATION MEETS CERTAIN CRITERIA TO DEVIATE FROM THOSE ROLES AND GRANT VARIANTS TO THOSE RULES. SO PLEASE GO AHEAD. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND YEAH, WE HAD PLANNING TO BUILD TWO SYNDROMES THERE ARE, UM BOTH OF THEM ARE FOUR SEASONS ROOMS WITH THE COVERED POACHING BEDOUIN. UM IT WILL TAKE UP TO 816 SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO I THINK WE ARE EXCEEDING THE ALLOWED A FAIR RATIO BY 2.2. THE LORD WAS 20% BUT WE ARE AT 22.2. SO AH! BE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANTS. AND WE HAVE NOTIFIED THE NEIGHBORS UTILITY COMPANIES. THE TOWNSHIP. AND ALSO ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER. WE SUBMITTED THE AFFIDAVIT FOR IT. COMMENT THAT THE REVIEWED THE NOTICE IT'S SATISFACTORY, AND I ASSUME THAT CHERRIES REVIEWED THE CERTIFIED MAILINGS AND THERE , OKAY, SO YOU KNOW MY OPINION, THE BOARD DOES HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE APPLICATION. I PERSONALLY, UM, INFORMED ALL THE NEIGHBORS. AND COMMUNICATED WITH THEM. UM THEY ARE ALL A BIT OF THE PROJECT. WHAT I'M GONNA DO MY BACKYARD. SO THINK NO ONE HAS ANY OBJECTION, BUT RELIEF YOU'RE SEEKING TO SEE BOTH BARRIERS. BOTH VARIANTS IS CORRECT. CORRECT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO VARIANTS, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY EVEN THOUGH ITS BULK IT'S A D VARIANTS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. IT'S NOT A USE VARIANCE. IT'S A D F A R VARIANTS. SO THERE'S A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE SEA. AND I WILL GO INTO THE STANDARD LATER. AND THEY NEED TO SEE VARIANTS FOR REAR YARD SETBACK TO SETBACK REQUIREMENT. IS 30 FT. IN NEW YORK 29 FT OFF THE RIRI LINE, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE A 1 FT ENCROACHMENT. THOSE ARE THE TWO VARIANCES THAT THEY NEED, AND IT'S ALL LAID OUT IN THE BOARD ENGINEERS MEMO, WHICH IS DATED NOVEMBER, 20 TO 2023.
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CROSS OUT THE MARCH 1720 22. YEAH. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH SO IT COULD COULD YOU THEN EXPLAIN BECAUSE THE RULES ARE WRITTEN IN THE WAY THEY ARE. UM IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US AS A BOARD TO KNOW. UM WHY? WHY WE SHOULD GRANT THIS REQUEST AND SO IF YOU COULD MAKE, UM YEAH. LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION. LET ME TELL THE BOARD AND THE APPLICANT THE STANDARD THAT'LL BE GOOD APPLICANT CAN PRESENT ITS CASE. TO TRY TO SATISFY THE STANDARD. SO THE FAA ARE VARIANTS. THE COURTS HAVE HELD THAT THE BOARD'S FOCUS FOR A D FOUR F A R VARIANTS IS ON WHETHER THE PROPERTY WILL ACCOMMODATE THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PERMITTED USE, BUT WITH A LARGER FLARE FLOOR AREA THAN PERMITTED BY ORDINANCE, SO MY SUGGESTION IS GOING TO BE THAT THE BOARD ASKED THE PLANNING EXPERT. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF AN F A R VARIANTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE ? AND THEN ONCE YOU HEAR FROM THE BOARDS PLANNING EXPERT WHAT'S THE PURPOSES? THEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL AND SAY, HMM. CAN THAT PURPOSE STILL BE MET? WITH 22.5% IF THEY ARE UNDERSTOOD AT 20% AND IF THE BOARD FEELS THE ANSWER'S YES. THEN UNDER THE CASE LAW IF YOU BELIEVE THE PROPERTY WILL ACCOMMODATE. ANY PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PERMITTED DOUBLE. SUNROOF. UM BUT WITH THE LARGER FLOOR AREA, THEN THAT WOULD SATISFY THE POSITIVE CRITERION OF THE D FOUR VARIANTS. AND THE NEGATIVE CRITERION OF THE D FOUR VARIANTS. IS. WILL THERE BE ANY SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD OR ANY SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT TO THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR THE MASTER PLAN? PISSY VARIANTS, WHICH THE BOARD IS MUCH MORE FAMILIAR WITH. THERE'S TWO STANDARDS. THERE'S THE HARDSHIP STANDARD. WHICH IS CALLED THE C ONE HARDSHIP VARIANTS. BY REASON OF EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS, SHALLOWNESS OR SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY. OR BY REASON OF AN EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITION OR PHYSICAL FEATURE UNIQUELY AFFECTING THE PIECE OF PROPERTY. OR BY REASON OF AN EXTRAORDINARY AND EXCEPTIONAL SITUATION UNIQUELY AFFECTING THE PIECE OF PROPERTY OR THE STRUCTURE LAWFULLY EXISTING THERE ON WITH THE STRICT APPLICATION OF ANY REGULATIONS RESULT IN PECULIAR AND EXCEPTIONAL PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OR AN EXCEPTIONAL, UNDUE HARDSHIP NOW. WHAT IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT IN THIS ZONE. THE FRONT YARD. AND ONCE I'LL TELL YOU WHY I ASKED THE FRONT YARD IS 40. IT'S REQUIRED 40 FT. 40 HOUSES SET BACK 45 FT. SO I'M NOT MAKING ANY SUGGESTION. I'M SAYING, THOUGH, THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A C ONE VARIANTS. YOU COULD SAY, HMM. THERE'S AN EXTRAORDINARY IN AN EXCEPTIONAL SITUATION UNIQUELY AFFECTING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WELL, BUT IT'S AFFECTING THE LAWFULLY EXISTING RESIDENTS. WHAT'S THAT SITUATION? IF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 40 FT, BUT THE HOUSE IS 45 FT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A REASONABLY SIZED NOT UNREASONABLE, YOU HAVE TO FIND A REASONABLY SIZED SUNROOF TO THE BACK. AND BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS 5 FT. SIT BACK ON THE FRONT LINE MORE THAN IT HAS TO BE THAT IT DEVIATES 1 FT IN THE BACK. MAYBE YOU COULD FIND THAT THE POSITIVE CRITERION OF THE C ONE WOULD BE SATISFIED, BUT YOU'RE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NEGATIVE CRITERION. WILL THERE BE SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC? GOOD? WHICH IN THIS CASE BE WELL, WHO'S MOST IMPACTED. WHAT MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAS MOST IMPACTED BY A REAR YARD ENCROACHMENT, NAMELESS NEIGHBOR. AND THEY SAID, OKAY, SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THAT NEIGHBOR. BECAUSE OF THIS, NO. I DON'T SEE THE NEIGHBOR THAT YOU CAN SAY BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS NOT HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE. AND THEN WILL THERE BE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT OF THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE MASTER PLAN, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO DECIDE IF 1 FT. COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL. IT'S UP TO YOU AGAIN. I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT I WOULD DO OR WHAT TO DO. BUT THAT'S THAT'S HOW THE FOCUS I THINK OF THIS. APPLICATION SHOULD BE. THIS IS WHY WE LOVE OUR LAWYER BECAUSE WE GET AN EDUCATION AND WE GET TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL. BASICALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID . WHAT HAVE YOU BASICALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID? ABSOLUTELY ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK I TAKE YOU UP ON YOUR ADVICE AND I IF YOUR PERMISSION, I THINK IF I COULD ASK OUR BOARD THIS RIGHT[00:15:07]
NOW, YOU'RE PRESENTING YOUR CASE. BUT IF YOU'VE KIND OF CONCLUDED YOUR HMM. YOUR YOUR KIDS THINK I'LL ASK OUR BOARD ENGINEER AND BOARD PLANNER THEIR THEIR OPINIONS ON THE PURPOSE OF THE FLOOR AREA RATIO IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. UM AND CAN YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE WHY YOU THINK THAT IS A PART OF OUR TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE? I'LL DEFER TO JAMES TO GIVE YOU THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. SURE SO, UM, FLOOR AREA RATIO IS A TOOL TO LIMIT THE INTENSITY OF USE BY CONTROLLING THE MASS AND SCALE OF BUILDINGS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE CRITERIA AS MR DRILLED A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN I COULD. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SOMETIMES ZONES HAVE HAVE A PURPOSE LISTED AT THE BEGINNING OF AN ORDINANCE, WHICH IS REALLY NICE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. BUT THIS IS WITHIN AREA ONE OF THE BELLE MEADE PLAZA MIXED USE INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT. WHICH IS THEN DIVIDED INTO TWO SUB PARTS, ONE OF WHICH IS WHERE BLUE IS CALLED THE COUNTRY CRUNCHY CLUB MEADOWS PORTION WHERE IT WAS INTENDED FOR 108 DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH A SERIES OF BULK REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE US AS MUCH TO GO OFF OF HIS SOME ZONE PLANS MAY FOR A PARTICULAR ZONE. HOWEVER I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A GENERAL GOAL WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN. UM, WHICH DISCUSSES GENERALLY HAVE THE TOWNSHIP WANTS TO LOOK AT NEIGHBORHOODS, UM AS THEY EXIST, AND SO AGAIN, THIS WAS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND BELLE MEADE WITH 100 AND EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE GENERAL GOAL NUMBER TWO, WHICH WHICH I TOOK TO BE THE MOST RELEVANT IS THAT THE IDENTITY OF THE TOWNSHIP AS A TOTALITY AND THE INTEGRITY OF INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS SHOULD BE PRESERVED. ENHANCED AND CREATED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE. MY ANALYSIS OF THAT WAS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD DISCUSS THE PROPOSED EDITION AND WHETHER IT PRESERVES OR ENHANCES THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM WITH THAT, I INCLUDED AN IMAGE SO THE FOLLOWING IMAGE OF MY REPORT, WHICH IS ON PAGE 10 SHOWS THE REAR OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE REAR OF THE DWELLING ON THE NEIGHBORING DWELLING TO THE SOUTH, WHILE THE PROPOSED EDITION IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REAR OF THE NEIGHBORING DWELLING, IT IS OF A SIMILAR SCALE. THE SLIGHTLY WIDER AND ONE FEWER STORY AND SO I'M THINKING ABOUT PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.IT'S WHAT'S THERE NOW YOU HAVE 100 AND EIGHT FAIRLY SIMILAR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. UM AND THIS EDITION. I DON'T THINK GENERALLY AS A AS A SPECIAL MATTER WILL BE TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE. UM SO THE QUESTION I HAD ASKED IN MY REVIEW, OR WHAT I RECOMMENDED IN THE REVIEW IS THAT UH, SOME KIND OF COLOR RENDERING OF THE ADDITION JUST TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT LOOKS. UM VERSUS YOU KNOW THE EXISTING DWELLING MAYBE HOW IT LOOKS VERSUS EXISTING OTHER EXISTING DWELLINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE USEFUL. IT ALSO MAY BE USEFUL FOR THAT TO JUST BE DESCRIBED VERBALLY. IF AN EXHIBIT IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME, SO I BELIEVE A BLACK AND WHITE DOCUMENT WAS SUBMITTED. SO THAT THAT'S IN REGARDS TO THE FLOOR AREA RATIO. UM AND I THINK , GENERALLY JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE CAN THE LOT HANDLE THE INTENSITY OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. AND SO THE STANDARD THAT WE INCLUDE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT FAA ARE VARIANCES AS A WHOLE IS THERE'S A CASE, WHICH IS CALLED AND I KNOW WHAT IT SAYS. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER NAMES. VERY WELL. SO PLEASE GIVE ME ONE MOMENT. UM I THINK IT'S THE PRICES THE CASE, BUT BASICALLY THERE'S A YES OKAY, SO THE CLERK CLEARLY EXPLAINING PRICE HOW AN APPLICANT MIGHT ESTABLISH THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE, REINFORCING THAT ONLY MINIMALLY GREATER THAN PERMITTED OR MINIMAL INCREASE COULD SATISFY THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA, WHICH, AGAIN MR DRILL WENT INTO THE DETAILS THERE, ESPECIALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW IT IS SET BACK A BIT FURTHER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE FROM THE FRONT YARD LINE. UM AND THEN ON THE OTHER END OF THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, VARIANCES THAT AMOUNTED TO SAY A TRIPLING OF A STANDARD WERE NOT APPROPRIATE. THAT IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE HERE. SO THIS IS A UM SO IT IS FOR THE ZONING BOARD TO DETERMINE IS THIS YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL. UM AND IF SO, THAT COULD BE A REASON FOR GRANTING AS WELL, UM WITH THAT I COULD ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT GENERALLY, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE MOST RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT THE MASTER PLAN AN ORDINANCE HAS REGARDING THIS APPLICATION. OKAY GREAT. UM I GUESS I'LL PASS IT BACK TO YOU.
MAYBE TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. MAYBE MR ADAMS. IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN, OR YOU OR THE APPLICANT, EITHER ONE TO TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN AND HOW HOW WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COLOR SCHEMES AND. THE DESIGN. GO AHEAD. YEAH. OKAY RIGHT. AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN OF THE SUN ROOM, UM. OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE A BIT COLD ON JUST
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FLAT DRAWINGS, BUT THERE ARE VERY TOP QUALITY CONSTRUCTED UNIT. UM HE'S GOT A SHINGLED ROOF ON IT, WHICH WILL MATCH THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UM, PANELS WITHIN THE GLASS AND ENCLOSURE THAT WILL BE, UM, COVERED WITH SIDING. WHICH WILL MATCH THE SIDING ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. THAT'S THE BASIC STRUCTURE OF IT. AND THE FLOORING ISN'T ARISED. PLATFORM ON POST RATHER THAN THE FOUR FOUNDATION. AND. THEN WE CAN BE PUT IN SOME LATTICEWORK OF SORTS TO ENCLOSE AROUND THE BOTTOM TO MAKE IT. LOOK, UH BETTER LOOKING ROOM RATHER THAN JUST LIKE HAVING IT OPEN. UM AH, SO THAT'S THAT'S THE BASIC OF THE SUN ROOM. BUT IF YOU WANT TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT THAT I HAVEN'T COVERED, PLEASE, PLEASE DO, JOE. WHY IS THE CHOICE MADE FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT TO RAISE HAVE IT RAISED, UH AND ON PILLARS, AS OPPOSED TO BEING ON A SOLID FOUNDATION? WELL OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE MATCHING UP WITH EXISTING FLOOR LEVEL IN THE HOUSE, SO THEY WALK OUT. ALSO THE SAME LEVEL ON THE SUNROOM.UM BUT DOING ON POSTS. IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE FLOW OF THE GROUND UNDERNEATH. SO YOU KNOW FOR FOUNDATIONS. UM WHEN YOU DO A FULL TRENCH POOR AND YOU BUILD UP IN BLOCK WORK.
CREATES SO BY DOING ON PILLARS BECAUSE SON HAS CONCRETE SONNET TUBES THERE 14 INCHES ROUND. IT WILL, UM, BE A LOT BETTER. FOR THE RUNOFF AND WHATEVER WILL CONTINUE AND WON'T HAVE ANY AND IMPEDING ON THAT. I ASSUME I'M GOING TO ASK OUR ENGINEERING EXPERT THAT BY DOING IT THIS WAY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY STORMWATER RUNOFF BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN A MINOR DEVELOPMENT. SO YES WITH REGARD TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A MINOR PROJECT FROM FROM THE ASPECTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO. DID THE DETENTION AND WATER QUALITY. AND WHAT HAVE YOU WE DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, AND THAT TESTIMONY ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD REQUESTED OUR LETTERS WITH. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, UM, WE DO OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO PROJECTS LIKE THIS, ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW MUCH WATER WILL ACTUALLY BE CONVEYED, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY DETAINED AND MANAGED IN THAT REGARD, BUT CONVEYED SO AS TO NOT BE A NUISANCE NOT TO HAVE A LITTLE EFFECT ON ON THE SUBJECT, PROPERTY OR ADJOINING PROPERTIES . SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THE WAY THAT YOU WILL BE CONSTRUCTING THIS. THIS ADDITION. THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS WILL WILL BE MAINTAINED THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERNS MOVEMENTS THERE WON'T BE AN IMPACT WITH REGARD TO, UM TO THAT, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE RUNOFF FROM THE ACTUAL SON RODE THE ROOMS THEMSELVES. HOW WAS THAT MANAGED TO JUST RUN OFF ONTO THE EDGES? OR HOW DOES THAT GUTTERS WHERE THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF COMES DOWN? THERE WILL BE A GUTTER DOWNSPOUT. UM WHICH IS PUTTING ON A SPLASH BLOCK AT THE BOTTOM DISPERSES AS MUCH AS IT CAN DO THERE AGAIN, IT'LL IT'LL GO ABOUT ITS WAY LIKE THE NORMAL RANGE, CATCH AN EXISTING, UM, COLLECTION SYSTEM. FOR THE ROOF.
LIKE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REST OF THE HOME RIGHT NOW. ARE THEY JUST DOWNSPOUTS THAT DUMPED A GRADE OR IS THERE A PIPING SYSTEM? I DON'T KNOW THAT NOW. YEAH BUT IT JUST GOES DOWN INTO THE GROUND. DOESN'T IT JUST GOES . YES, IT DOESN'T CONTAIN FROM THIS, THESE TWO ROOMS INTO THAT PIPING SYSTEM. BE EXTENDED IT TO POP IT OUT IN THE GARDEN. SO YOU DO HAVE IT SO IT ACTUALLY DISCHARGES DEGRADE THAT IT GOES AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND THEN FROM THE HOUSE, AND THEN I THINK SO, THEN DISCHARGING DEGREE HERE WOULD JUST BE THE SAME SORT OF THING. OKAY BUT I APPRECIATE THAT, UM THAT ACTUALLY MR CHAIRMAN WERE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I ASKED TO BE ADDRESSED IN OUR REVIEW MEMO WITH REGARD TO STORMWATER, UM THE OTHER QUESTION, I THINK WAS ANSWERED THROUGH THE TESTIMONY. AS FAR AS MANIPULATING THE GROUND. YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY KIND OF EARTHWORKS, SO YOU DON'T NEED ANY YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE BRINGING IN OR TAKING OUT ANY ANY. FILL DIRT FROM THE SITE, RIGHT? OKAY THAT'S THAT'S ALL. I HAVE THE, UM WHAT WE DID ASK, UM , SINCE I'M NO. YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU GET ME STARTED. THE WE DID ASK THE, UH, THAT THE BOARD OF CONDITION THE ANY ANY APPROVAL THAT THEY MAY GIVE ON THE NAPKIN, AGREEING TO REPAIR ANY DAMAGES THAT MAY BE DONE TO THE CURB CONCRETE, UM, ALONG THE ROADWAY AS A CONDITION OF ANY
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APPROVAL, SO ANY DAMAGE THAT YOU MAY CAUSE AS REGARDED THE AS A RESULT OF CONSTRUCTION? YOU WOULD HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY, YES. UM, OTHER THAN THAT. BUT, UM, I THINK THE REST OF MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SUPPORT MAY HAVE. I JUST WANT TO SAY WAS THAT I WAS ASKED, UM, IF AND WHEN THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MR BARTOLOME HAD WRITTEN. HE WASN'T ABLE TO HIS NOT HERE THIS EVENING BUT HAD SOME JUST BASICALLY ONE POINT ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND TREES. THE DATA ON HIS MEMO. HIS IS. THAT'S HIS LICENSE NUMBER NOVEMBER 21ST 2023. I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT IF THERE WAS QUESTIONS FOR MR DARGIS. OKAY SO, AS I NOTED IN MY REPORT, THERE'S TWO REQUIRED DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. ONE IS FOR THE STREET VIEW REQUIREMENT, AND THE OTHER IS FOR THE GENERAL TREE REQUIREMENT. UM SO JUST GO TO THOSE VERY QUICKLY, SO EVER RESTRICT TREES. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR EVERY 50 FT OF FRONTAGE TO HAVE ONE TREE. THERE'S TWO EXISTING TREES, WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER STREET TREES THERE RIGHT NOW. UM AND THEN THE GENERAL. TRUE REQUIREMENT IS 14 TREES PER ACRE AT THE SIZE OF THIS LOT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD TOTAL OUT TO EIGHT TREES. SO THERE IS ALSO, OF COURSE, A WAIVER PROVISION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT RATHER THAN HAVING, UH YOU KNOW, 14 TREES PER ACRE. WHATEVER THAT RUNS OUT, TOO. IT'S REALLY JUST BASED OFF OF WHAT THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE WOULD BE. A SWEET ASKED THE APPLICANT TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL. THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT PART OF MY REPORT UP IS IT DOES FEED INTO A BIT OF WHAT MR BARD ALONE HAD RECOMMENDED, WHICH WAS, UM, DUE TO THE MINIMAL SIZE OF THE REAR YARD AND THE INTRUSION INTO THE RAIL YARD SETBACK FOR THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND ASSOCIATED STAIRS. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT A MINIMUM OF THREE UPRIGHT GROWING EVERGREEN TREES OR MULTI STEM UPGRADE GROWING ORNAMENTAL TREES BE INSTALLED BETWEEN THE PROPOSED AND CLOSED PORCH AND THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. SO IF THE BOARD YOU KNOW SAW A NEED FOR EITHER ADDITIONAL VEGETATION OR FOR SOME SCREENING, UM YOU KNOW THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MR BART ALONE HAS IS TO PUT IN SOME OTHER EVERGREENS OR ORNAMENTAL TRANSITION. REFRESH THE BOARD'S RECOLLECTION. SO FAR AGAIN. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE VERY LONG. I'M THE NEW GUY ON THE BLOCK, BUT ANY TIME THE BOARD HAS EVER GRANTED AN EXCEPTION FROM THE 14 TREES PER ACRE. THEY'VE ALWAYS THE EXCEPTION THEY'VE ALWAYS GRANTED. IS THAT OKAY? YOU CAN CALCULATED BASED ON THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST GONNA GRANT AN EXCEPTION. SO FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, THE BOARD HAS NEVER SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLANT ANYTHING SO THEY SHOULD ASK THE HAPPENING. YOU WILLING TO PLANT THE THREE RECOMMENDED TREES. WE ALREADY PLANTED DOWN, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL PLANTS RATE RECENTLY, SO I THINK WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS LIKE PLANTING MORE, BUT I'M JUST LETTING THE BOARD KNOW SURE. SO IT WOULD IT WOULD YOU KNOW, BE DECIDED BY THE BOARD, AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER ABOUT THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO. BUT I'M AS WE DID A SITE VISIT AS WELL. THERE ARE TWO TREES IN THE FRONT. UH FRONT LAWN. UM SO THOSE ARE THEIR TREES YOU'RE REFERRING TO? I'M SORRY. YES AND ALSO ONE EXTRACT TERRY IN THE BACKYARD RADIO. THAT WE PLANTED IS THE LIMIT OF THIS DISTURBANCE . THAT'S A SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM SO WE HAD STATED IN THE THERE'S A AND IT COULD BE JUST THE WAY IT'S DRAWN ON THE ON THE SURVEY, SO I TYPICALLY LIKE TO GO OFF OF THE SITE PLAN AND SURVEY. WHEN I USE THE SCALE TO DO THE MEASUREMENTS, IT WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS ARE IN INCHES IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT'S BEING USED THERE BECAUSE THAT WASN'T WASN'T CLEAR. SO I THINK BASED ON THAT THE SIZE OF THE OF THE PROPOSED IS 876 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? 876 SQUARE FEET. BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISTURB MORE THAN 876 SQUARE FEET TO BUILD 876 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE. RIGHT SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU GUYS? WHAT'S YOUR BEST OPINION ON THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE FOR THIS? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISTURB MORE THAN THAT, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE POST BECAUSE THEIR POSTS THERE BASICALLY GOING TO BE DRILLING DOWN, PUTTING. HOW MANY. WHAT? MAYBE 10 SOUND TUBES. I DON'T HAVE ANY SIGN OF TUBES TENSE ON THE CHAIR. SO YOU HAVE 10. YES 14 INCHES ROUND 10 SPOTS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE DRILLING DOWN AND PUTTING SOME TUBES IN UM, SO THE DISTURBANCE REALLY WOULD BE FROM EQUIPMENT. BUT THAT'S TEMPORARY DISTURBANCE THAT YOU'RE YOU'D ANTICIPATE WITH WITH ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION. OKAY SO HOW? WHAT'S THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET? I HONESTLY WOULD JUST DO. THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS OR OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING GO[00:30:01]
WITH 876, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF YOU WENT WITH 7 876 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE, HOW MANY TREES WOULD BE REQUIRED? 11. ARE YOU WILLING TO THE RECOMMENDED SCREENING IS, UH, IT'S THREE BEHIND THE PROPERTY. DOES THAT MEET YOUR. EXPECTATIONS I GUESS AND WHAT? YOU WANT TO USE IT ANYWHERE. WE NEED PRIVACY, SO WE ARE PLANNING TO PLANT THREE ORIGINALLY, THEN WE HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING IT A CONDITION OF IF WE WOULD IF WE WERE TO GRANT APPROVAL, AND THEN IT WILL BE A CONDITION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE TRUTH. TOWARDS THAT 14 3, OKAY? GENDER ANYTHING IN YOUR MEMO THAT THAT YOU RECOMMEND BE IMPOSED AS A CONDITION? I KNOW THAT IN PLEASURES MEMO. I HAVE. WHAT HE SAID BEFORE THE REPAIR AND REPLACE WOULD BE A CONDITION. NO SOIL SHALL BE IMPORTED. THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THAT YOU CONDITION UM AND THEY REPAIRING ANY DAMAGE SIDEWALK, CURBING IN APRONS, CORRECT. AND ANY OTHER BOARD APPROVALS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY JAMES? YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN YOUR MEMO? THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION? NO THE ONLY, UM I HAD A REQUEST THAT THAT THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING BE MADE CLEAR AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND THE MARKED UP SURVEY. THAT WAS MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S THE CASE. OKAY? UH HAVE YOU CONCLUDED? DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE A QUESTION? YES PLEASE.WHAT SHOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES? I MEAN, WELL, WE HAVE NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE SATISFACTION OF THE BOARD'S LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, BUT I THINK GENERALLY HE'S NOT REQUIRING ANY MORE THAN 5. FT. AT PLANTING IS HE UM, I THINK EVERYONE WOULD BE 6 FT. 16 WILL BE 6 FT. AND THEN IF IT'S A I DECIDUOUS TREE. THE MINIMUM CALIBER IS USUALLY THE 2 TO 2.5 INCH CALIBER, WHICH IS THE KIND OF TRUMPET THANK YOU. OKAY UM, HAVE YOU CONCLUDED THEN? YES RIGHT AS A FORMALITY. WE NEED TO OPEN. UM THE APPLICATION OF FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TO, UM PUBLIC COMEBACK WAS WELCOME. UH CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC? JUST ONE OTHER THING THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY RELEVANT, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THIS LETTER IN THE FILE. THAT THEY SUBMITTED WHERE THEY HAVE THE CONSENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO CONSTRUCT THE WHICH JUST MENTIONED THAT THANK YOU FOR, UM POINTING TO THAT LETTER. WE ALL HAVE THAT LETTER.
THAT'S RIGHT. YES THANK YOU, UM, FOR PROVIDING THAT DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION. I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SESSION. THANK YOU, MARILYN.
SECONDED THANK YOU HAVE A NASH. UH, THOSE IN FAVOR. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. HEARING NONE. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED RIGHT NOW. WE'LL MOVE TO BOARD DISCUSSION AGAIN. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HEARD WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR THE D VARIANTS AND THEN ALSO THE C VARIANT SO WE WILL WILL HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARD FOR THE D VARIANTS IN THIS DISCUSSION. UM SO DOES ANYBODY. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP ANY COMMENTS. THEY OFFER THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION. I'LL START. SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING MUCH IN TERMS OF NEGATIVE CRITERIA, EXCEPT THAT THERE IS A MEMO HERE FROM THE TOWNSHIP ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION DATED NOVEMBER 16TH 2023. AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT BASICALLY IF WE IMPROVE THE VARIANTS THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE MITIGATION FOR THE INCREASED LOCK COVERAGE. GREEN ROOFS, GREEN BARRELS DOWN SPOTS OR NEW NATIVE TREES, SO JUST QUICKLY TECHNICALLY, IS THERE AN INCREASE IN LA COVERAGE? THERE'S FLOOR AREAS FLOOR AREA RATIO THAN THE LOCK COVERAGE IS GOING UP, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF COVERAGE EXCEED THAT PERMITTED IN THE ZONE. RIGHT SO I UNDERSTAND THAT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. HOWEVER WE HAVE THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST TREES PLANTED WELL, DAVID HE'S AGREED TO PLANT PLANT THREE TREES, WHEREAS THE USUAL EXCEPTION THAT YOU WOULD GRANT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE THEM TO PLANT ONE TREE. OKAY AGREED TO PLANT TWO MORE THAN UNDERSTAND. YEAH MAYBE IF I IF I COULD JUST
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CLARIFY, HIRED ASKING ASKING QUESTION TO THE BOARD. YOU KNOW, THERE IS THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOT COVERAGE AND FLOOR AREA RATIO. AND I THINK WE I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR TOWNSHIP PLANNER THAT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO THE TENANT.PERFECT ATTENTION IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT REQUIREMENT IS TO MINIMIZE THE INTENSITY ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEREAS THE LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT IS MORE OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. AND SO YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NOT. ENCROACHED UPON THE STORMWATER ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S REALLY JUST EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT THIS INCREASES THE MAXIMUM AND INTENSITY OR OR CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO BUT I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TO POINT TO THIS MEMO. UH AND WELL, PUT IT THIS WAY. THE BOARD WANT TO IMPOSE ANY MORE THAN THREE TREES THE WAY THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT.
ONE OF THE THREE TREES IS DUE TO THE EXCEPTION THEY NEED FROM THE 14TH STREET'S PER ACRE AND TWO OF THE TREES ARE DUE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION'S REPORT BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION'S REPORT DOESN'T SAY HOW MANY TREES DOES IT, IT DOES NOT. MY OPINION. THREE TREES SEEM ADEQUATE. I MEAN, THE PROPERTY DOES SEEM TO ACCOMMODATE THIS SIZE CHANGE, GIVEN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS IN EXCESS OF THE REQUIREMENT. YOU KNOW MY CONCERN. PUTTING TOO MANY TREES IN THE BACK THERE IS THAT THE ALREADY NARROWED BACKYARDS GETTING MORE AND MORE CROWDED. UM IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE DESIGN. YOU KNOW, WITH THE 16 FT. GOING OUT, THE BACK IS A STANDARD. JUST TO MAKE THE CONSTRUCTION SIMPLER. SO YOU KNOW FROM FROM THE PROPERTY ACCOMMODATION POINT OF VIEW. THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION SEEMS TO FIT. I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
THANKS HOLLY. AH, THE STREET TREES. UM. WHAT DO WE DECIDE HOW MANY STREET CHEESE ARE REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE, 44 AND THERE'S TWO THERE. THERE'S TWO THERE. OKAY WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT THAT? SO, UM I GUESS I WOULD ASK. ARE YOU WILLING TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL STREET TREES TO MORE STREET TREES? AND I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS WITH THOSE STREET TREES. UM CREATE A VISUAL PROBLEM. FACE TO BE THE OTHER HOUSES, STREETSCAPE AND KEEP BASICALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE STREETSCAPE. YOU MEAN? YEAH THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. ARE THEY REALLY NECESSARY? OR WOULD IT LOOK WEIRD IN TERMS OF THE OTHER HOUSES? UH, AND HOW MANY TREES ARE ARE ALONG THE SIDEWALK. UH SO I THINK THAT THE WAY YOUR FRONT LAWN LOOKS RIGHT NOW IS VERY TYPICAL OF HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS, UM, ADDING TWO TREES, AND I MEAN THE TWO TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW ARE FAIRLY SPAWN. I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NEW, SO A LOT OF THE TREES HAVE BEEN PLANTED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. THEY HAVEN'T MATURED RIGHT, SO THEY'RE NOT IT'S NOT LIKE THIS OVERWHELMINGLY TREED KIND OF CANOPY. UM SO. FIRST OF HE HAS 100 AND 78 SQUARE FOOT 178 FT OF FRONTAGE, SO IT'S ROUNDED UP TO FOUR. SO IT REALLY WOULD. IT'S LIKE 3.6 TREES, WHICH I ALWAYS ALWAYS ROUND UP. UM SO AT TWO TREES, I MEAN, HE'S KIND OF ALMOST THERE. HE ALSO HAS LANDSCAPING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE OR SOMETHING KIND OF ATTRACTIVE ORNAMENTAL LANDSCAPING AS WELL. SO ADDING AN EXTRA TREE, I THINK IF YOU ADDED TWO MORE TREES, YOU KNOW. I CAN'T SPEAK TO TWO. IT'S NOT SCREAMING OUT TO ME THAT IT'S SUCH A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACT OR NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE. UM CAN YOU JUST LOOK AT THE GOOGLE RIGHT NOW? HIS HOUSE AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU CROSS THE STREET AND WHAT'S NEXT DOOR TO HIM ON BOTH SIDES? OH YEAH, I'VE BEEN THERE. THERE'S LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF IMMATURE TREES. WHAT THE QUESTION IS, THERE'S TWO STREET TREES NOW DOES THAT IS THAT TYPICAL FOR THE NEIGHBORS? YES MORE TO COME WITH FOUR. IT WOULD THAT BE A TYPICAL THAT IF IT'S A IF IT'S A WRITTEN WHAT I'M HEARING FROM JAMES IS THAT IT'S A FAIRLY NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THEN ALL THE TREES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE APPLICANTS PROPERTY OR TYPICAL THE REST OF THE OF THE HOME, SO THE SPACING ADDED TWO MORE TREES. THAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL TYPICAL CORRECT THEN THEN I THINK WE SHOULD GRANT EXCEPTION BASED ON THAT GREAT DEAL. UH VARIANT, AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS REGARDING THE LIGHTING. I KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, REPORT TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING. UH WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING ARE YOU
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PLANNING FOR THE BACK OF THE SUNROOM? THE LIGHTING IS GOING TO BE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.BUT WHEREVER YOU GET A DOORWAY LEADING OUT TO THE EXTERIOR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE BLACK CODE A LIGHT.
AND WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO THE CUSTOMER BUT HAVING LOW DOWNWARD POINTING LIGHT RATHER THAN BLARING OUT, DIRECTING OUT ITS CODE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WHETHER THE TWO DOORS ON THERE ALL STEPS . YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LIGHT, SO THERE WAS MINIMAL IMPACT AS POSSIBLE. OKAY THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION. AND JAMES MAY GO AHEAD. CAN I MENTION SOMETHING? YES, PLEASE. WE ALREADY PLANTED. UH MR JAMES. WE ALREADY PLANTED THE SIXTH GREECE ALONGSIDE THE DRIVING. THAT IS PART OF THE FRONT. UM FRONTIERS, SO WE ALREADY HAVE SIX ADDITIONAL TREE SEXUALLY. THEY ARE OF A GOOD SIZE. IF YOU LOOK AT ACTUALLY AND YOU COULD SEE THEM. I THINK IN MY REPORT. YEAH IF ANYONE HAS THAT POINT OF VIEW, SO PEOPLE CAN PAGE SIX YOU COULD SEE KIND OF IN THE IN THE REAR TO THE LEFT. THERE'S ANOTHER TREE, AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER ONE OR TWO. I CAN'T. I CAN'T SAY SIX. OFFHAND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW YOU'RE TESTIFYING TO IT. THERE IS THE ONE TREE IN THE BACK. YOU KNOW, WE THINK OF STREET TREES AS BEING KIND OF ALONG THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT THIS IS KIND OF A SUBURBAN SUBDIVISION. HAVING A TREE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE IS ALSO VERY NORMAL AND VERY TYPICAL. I THINK THAT'S STANDARD APPLIES GENERALLY TO ALL ZONES IN THE TOWNSHIPS, SO AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY MEANT TO SCREEN THE STREET FROM YOU KNOW FROM INDUSTRIAL USES. COMMERCIAL USES PARKING LOT THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE ON THIS IS AND AGAIN I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT MR NOONAN HONDA'S THE FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT IS IT IS QUITE ALREADY LANDSCAPED, DECORATIVELY ORNAMENTAL E LANDSCAPED. THERE'S A LOT THERE, I THINK YOU KNOW IF IT WAS BARREN. IF THERE WAS NOTHING, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, LET'S ASK FOR A COUPLE MORE TREES, BUT I DO THINK THAT ADDING, UH, ADDING TWO TREES IN THIS I THINK GRANTING THE WAIVER WILL NOT HAVE ANY WOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE, AND I THINK THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF VEGETATION THERE THAT THAT IS ATTRACTIVE AND OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS WILL GROW TO BE LARGER AND MORE ATTRACTIVE. UM AND AGAIN HAVING I DON'T HAVE ALL THE PHOTOS WITH ME, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT WE DID TAKE PHOTOS UP AND DOWN SCARBOROUGH AGAIN. THIS IS THIS IS VERY TYPICAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT IS THERE ALREADY? WE HAVE ALREADY AROUND THE 10 TO 11 THREES IN THE FRONT YARD. INCLUDING THE BY THE DRIVEWAY, PLEASE. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF 11 TRACE. WE HAVE I HAVE AH! YES YOU MIGHT COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ADDITION ITSELF. UM AH, PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ARE EXCEEDING THE SETBACK LINE. UM I IMAGINE THESE SKETCHES ARE CONCEPTUAL. BUT DO YOU HAVE, UM DO YOU HAVE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS? NO QUESTION OF HEIGHT. THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS ARE THESE CONCEPTUAL OR THESE, THE ACTUAL DRAWINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SUBMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION FOR ME, SO I FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED THEM. I DON'T SEE IF I MISS THEM, I DON'T SEE BUILDING HEIGHT. YOU KNOW THE STRUCTURE, HEIGHT, FISH ELEVATION. WE'RE JUST, UH GOODNIGHT ONTO THIS RELIGION. HE'S SAYING HE DOESN'T SEE AN ELEVATION. THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU SHOW ON SHE A THREE. YOU SHOW EXISTING EXISTING CONDITIONS WILL BE ON A REALLY JUST ONE SECOND. OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE. WHAT SHE IS THAT? SHE AH, THAT'S A SEVEN. WE ONLY HAVE UNTIL A FIVE CORRECT SIX OR A 77 HERE THAT ON THAT ONE THERE HOW COME WE DON'T HAVE? UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE IT. NO, THAT'S NOT IT. OK JUNIOR THE ONES THAT ARE PRINTOUTS. WE IT'S NOT INCLUDED CHARITY. YOU KNOW WHY? THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE WE'RE MISSING. TWO PAGES WERE MISSING A SIX AND A SEVEN. HE'S SHOWING A SEVEN ANSWERS THE BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONED, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THEIR PAPER COPIES THAT WE WERE PROVIDED BY. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHY. SO WE'RE WHAT HE'S SHOWING A SEVEN WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS ON A STICKY GAVE YOU GUYS OKAY ON THE WEBSITE. YEAH, YEAH. MUST HAVE BEEN SOME SNAFFLE IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE DIGITAL ONE. YEAH PAPER WEBSITE. OKAY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION
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IT'S RECORDED SOMEWHERE. THEIR ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT THAT DIMENSION THERE.CAN YOU SEE 128 TO 10 FT EIGHT INCHES. UM PLUS A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE READ SHOWS SHY AROUND ABOUT 11 FT. PEOPLE TAKE AN INCH THAT'S SORT OF PEEK AT THAT POINT THERE. OKAY? 28 IS NOT THE RIDGE 128 IS FROM THE FLOOR LEVEL. TO THE UNDER SLIDE. OKAY REACH. I SEE WHERE THE PEAK THEN YOU'VE GOT A 10 INCH FOR THE ROOF STRUCTURE ON TOP OF THAT, UM. SAFELY SAY 12 FT.
LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, UH WHAT IT IS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT. SORRY UM, ON AVERAGE OF 12 FT, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD ROOF FIGHT FOR SON. IN ADDITION, AND YOU'RE MATCHING THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION INSIDE THE FLOOR ELEVATIONS FOR THE SUNROOM INTO THE HOUSE. YES, WE ARE. OKAY. WE FIGURED OUT WHAT HAPPENED. YOU GUYS SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS, BUT YOU DIDN'T CHANGE THE DATE ON THEM, SO THE REVISED PLANS ALSO HAVE THE SAME DATE 5 31 23 AS THE ORIGINAL PLANS AND THEREFORE THEY HANDED OUT THE ORIGINAL PLANS NOT TO REVISE PLANS, BUT THEY ARE. IN FACT, THERE HERE WE HAVE YOU COVERED THAT THEN WE'LL BE OKAY WITH THAT. YOU'RE OKAY. YOU'RE COVERED. YEAH. YES IT'S A LITTLE RICH, BECAUSE IT'S POINTING THE WRONG SPOT. THIS EXISTS.
INTERESTING. I APOLOGIZE. THE ONES YOU'VE GOT ALREADY INCHES, BUT IT'S STILL EQUATES THE SAME.
BUT WE DO TRUE DRAWINGS. ONE BECAUSE OUR INSTALLERS LIKE TO WORK IN ACTUAL INCHES FOR PRECISE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE 1 FT. HMM BUT I DON'T KNOW. NO, I CAN'T GOING HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. UM I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR A PATIO? IN ADDITION TO THAT CAME UP IN THAT COME UP IN THE VERBIAGE THAT WE'VE GOT BACK. THE PLANNERS REPORT MENTIONED THAT SORRY. YEAH PLANNERS REPORT MENTIONED ON MY DRAWINGS. I'VE GOT THERE TO THE AS YOU'RE VIEWING IT UP THERE TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE. WHAT SHE WHAT SHEET OF DRAWING A SEVEN. IT IS. BACK TO THE WORDING THERE. WHAT SHEET IS THAT? THAT IS A SIX A SIX. OKAY SO JUST SO, YOU KNOW. THE REVISED SET OF PLANS YOU SUBMITTED. DO NOT HAVE AN A SIX. NICE YOU HAVE AN A SIX. THERE ARE SIX ON THE INTERNET THIS COME FROM THEM ON THE INTERNET. OKAY? YOU PUT A SIX UP THERE.
OKAY SO WHAT? WHAT PATIO YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STUPID STEPS ON THE SIDE HERE. THE WORDING OF THAT IT SAYS CLIENT HAVE NEW PATIO PLUS STEPS CARRIED OUT TO THIS SIDE.
THE QUESTION CAME UP IN THE INFORMATION SENT TO US. WILL THIS GO ABOVE THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? HE ALSO IS THAT NO, I'VE DONE ALL THE CALCULATIONS AND THEY'RE STILL GOT 400 SQUARE FEET. UH UM. LEFT BEFORE EXCEEDS THE PERVIOUS COVERAGE. THIS IS JUST TOO. IF THE BOARD IS GOING TO GRANT IT IS ATTACHING CONDITIONS, SAYING THAT THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE SHALL NOT EXCEED DOING THE BLANK 25% 25. AND ALSO TO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET A ZONING PERMIT TO WHEN THEY GO TO APPLY FOR IT. THEY WOULD GET KICKED BACK FOR VARIANCE AGAIN AS TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD. WELL, NOT IF OH, THE CONDITION IN THEN WE'LL BE SURE OF THAT. MR DRILL. SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED FROM YOU IS I TEND TO OVER EXPLAIN AS WELL SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF THERE. NO PROBLEM. APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. YEAH, I JUST PUT THAT ON THERE FOR INFORMATION.
UH, WHAT THAT WOULD BE ENDLESS SEPARATE PERMIT. ANYWAY, ONCE, UH. HAS GOT THAT HE WANTS TO DO BUT PERMIT THAT WOULDN'T BE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE SPORT. IF IT WENT OVER 25% IT WOULD JUST CURIOUS. LET'S COME BACK TO YOU. WHY WOULD YOU DO A SEPARATE PERMIT? SECOND? WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST DO IT? WE'RE NOT DOING THAT PART OF WORKS. WE'RE NOT CONTRACTED TO DO THAT.
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HE HASN'T MADE HIS MIND UP YET. WHAT HE WANTS TO DO THEN, OKAY? BUT HE KNOWS YOU CAN'T EXCEED 400 SQUARE FEET. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON ON THIS DRAWING ON A SIX. IT LOOKS LIKE THE STEPS EXTEND BEYOND THE ACTUAL SUN ROOMS. BUT ON THE OTHER ONE, IT LOOKED LIKE THE STEPS WERE INCORPORATED IN THE SUNROOM. YEAH REFERRING THOSE STEPS HERE. YEAH YEAH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING THOSE STEPS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ELEVATED. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A PLATFORM AND STEPS TO GET DOWN TO THE GROUND STEPS ARE CLOSER THAN 29. FT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A ZONING PERMIT FOR THAT, EITHER BECAUSE THE VARIANTS WOULD BE FOR A 1 FT ENCROACHMENT. THOSE STEPS ARE ENCROACHING FURTHER. YES, YEAH. SO YOUR YOUR SETBACK THAT YOU'RE MEASURING THE 29 FT. IS TO THE ACTUAL SUN ROOMS THAT. PEDAL YOUR YOUR PLATFORM AND THE STEPS COMING DOWN. EXTEND CLOSER TO THE REAL POPULAR ANSWER. YOUR SETBACK IS ACTUALLY NOT 29 FT. IT'S 29 MINUS WHATEVER THE DEPTH IS THERE? YES, THREE. PLUS THIS TREADS RIGHT? SO IS IT THE SAME CRITERIA FOR DECKS AS WELL AS BUILDINGS ON THE SETBACKS BECAUSE SOME SOME TOWNSHIPS HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS FOR DEX, SO EVERYTHING SETBACK DEFINES THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING IS INCLUDING ANYTHING ATTACHED TO IT. SORRY PRINCIPAL BUILDING IN MONTGOMERY IS ANYTHING THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT BUILDING RIGHT? SO BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ATTACHED. IT'S ALL CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THAT PRINCIPLE BUILDING. SO YOUR PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS SETBACK DOES HAVE TO TAKE THOSE STEPS INTO ACCOUNT. LET ME. THE ONLY THING WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT WE COULD DO BECAUSE THAT'S A BERRIES WIPE BETWEEN THE TWO. WE COULD DO INTERNAL STEPS TO GET THAT REDRAWN. THAT COULD BE A CONDITION. BUT IF YOU DID INTERNAL STEPS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE STILL BE KEEPING AS YOU SIT HERE TONIGHT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU DID CALCULATE WHAT SORT OF ADDITIONAL VARIANTS YOU WOULD NEED FOR THE STEPS PLUS THE NOTICE DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT A FURTHER ENCROACHMENT. THEY THE ENCROACHMENT WAS FOR THAT. I'M I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AT ALL. UM BUT IF WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE THAT AND, UH THAT'S AH AGREEMENT THEN THAT WE WOULD DO INTERNAL STEPS THAT WOULDN'T CONDITION THAT THIS STEPS COULD NOT BE ANY CLOSER TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE THAN 29. FT. YES, I MEAN, THIS THING IS THAT WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? GO AHEAD. YOU'RE OKAY WITH WOULD YOU PREFER TO REWORK AND COME FORWARD WITH A NEW PLAN? UH YEAH, YOU CAN COME BACK NEXT MONTH. IF YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THE NEW APPLICATION, OR WOULD YOU? I MEAN, THAT'S A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THOSE STEPS BEING INTEGRAL TO YOUR SON ROOM? YEAH.OKAY? ANOTHER SHIP, WE WOULD COMPLETE REGIONAL ON THAT, BUT, UH YEAH, IT DID. AND THANK YOU FOR MARYLAND FOR BRINGING THIS UP. ACTUALLY, I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING BUT ON YOUR OTHER WELL, ACTUALLY, THERE IS ONE DRAWING THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE KEPT US INTO THIS A FOUR? YEAH FIVE SHOWS INTERNAL AND THE OTHER DRAWING SHOWS THAT EXTERNAL PAGE FIVE OF THE PLAYING RIGHT PLANNING REPORT. YEAH, I GOT THAT FROM. YEAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT REALLY IT'S FINE IF YOUR AGREEMENT WITH THE STEPS BEING INTERNAL, WHICH WHICH HONESTLY KIND OF LOOKS PENTACLE IN A WAY, I THINK IT LOOKS NICE. UM TRYING TO BE POSITIVE. YOU HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. YEAH. YEAH. CONTAINS IT. THERE'S NO NEED TO COME BACK FOR THE NEW VARIANTS THAT WAY IT WILL BE AGREED UPON. I MEAN, YEAH, SO IF IT WASN'T CLEAR WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GRANT THIS APPLICATION. UH TONIGHT. UH I'M FINE WITH THE INTERNET. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR JOE, CAN YOU LIST THE CONDITIONS THAT THERE WOULD BE IMPOSED? TWO VARIANCES. TWO EXCEPTIONS TO D FOUR F A R VARIANTS FOR 22.5% WERE 20% IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED SO YOU WANT HARDSHIP VARIANTS FOR 39 FT REAR YARD SETBACK WHERE 40 FT IS REQUIRED. AND THEN THE TWO EXCEPTIONS ARE THE TWO LANDSCAPING EXCEPTIONS, THE FIRST BEING FROM THE TREE REPLY. THE 1414 TREES PER ACRE. WHICH WILL REQUIRE A TREES. THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE THAT TO BE CALCULATED BASED ON
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THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ONE TREE, BUT THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO A CONDITION FOR A TOTAL OF THREE TREES TO TREES PICKED UP FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION'S REPORT. THE OTHER CONDITION OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE SHALL NOT EXCEED 25% AND ADDITIONAL CONDITION. SURE. NOT FOR A SECOND. AH! THE ITEMS IN THE BOARD ENGINEER'S REPORT. AND.REVISED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS TO REDESIGN THE STEPS STEPS SHALL BE INTERNAL AND SHOULD NOT BE CLOSER TO THE REAR YARD LINE REALLY LOT LINE IN 29 FT. GREAT I THINK YOU SAID 30 FT AND 40 FT SET 39 AND 40 FT. SET BACK OR 20? WELL, IT'S A 40 FT REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK THERE.
ALREADY AT 45. THERE'S A 30 FT REAR YARD SETBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT 29 YEAH. YEAH, WELL, CHANGE THE DIAGRAM. YOU HAVE TO REVISE THE PLANS FOR THE FOR THE STEPS GREAT. GREAT THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. BUT THE BOARD ALSO HAS STANDARD CONDITIONS IN ITS RULES THAT I THINK YOU MENTIONED TO ME. YOU WANTED TO ASK THEM ABOUT ONE OF THEM. YES YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO UM, GENERALLY WE WHEN WE HAVE GRANTED APPLICATION, WE GIVE YOU ONE YEAR FROM THE TIME THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED TO MAKE THE PLANS THAN ONE YEAR TO BUILD. IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU? UH, IS THAT IT WITHIN YOUR PLAN? WHAT YES. UM YEAH, I WOULD PREFER I WOULD PREFER THAT I LIKE TO HAVE, LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF FORCING ON IT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL YEAR WE COULD CONSIDER THAT. YEAH IT'S NOT NEEDED. WE ALREADY ACTUALLY. OKAY SO ONCE THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, WILL BE ORDERING THE SYMPTOMS. ALL THESE ARE MADE TO MEASURE THAT WE DON'T USE ANY STOCK. GREAT. SO, UM IF I COULD ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT, IF IT'S IF IT'S GRANTED UM WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE STEPS OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO GET TO KNOW DO A NEW DRAWING. WE'LL GET THAT SUBMITTED. WITHIN. A WEEK. GREAT I MEAN THAT. THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO YEAH, RIGHT. GET HEATED RESOLUTION IS NOT GOING TO BE ADOPTED TILL THE JANUARY MEETING . YEAH BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT 45 DAYS AFTER THE RESOLUTIONS ADOPTED AS SOON AS IT ADOPTED IN JANUARY, YOU CAN GO FOR IT. YOU CAN GO FOR YOUR SUPPLEMENTS THAT NEW DRAWING, THOUGH YEAH, CORRECT, RIGHT.
THIS ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS GOING TO HAVE TO BE REVISED TO DEAL WITH THAT STEP SITUATION CONDITION? YES, YES. RIGHT AND YEAH, THEN OUR OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE DECEMBER 28TH MEETING AND BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT MEETING, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE THE JANUARY 24TH MEETING. IS THAT RIGHT TO HAVE THAT DATE RIGHT, THIS SHERRY? 23RD 23RD. YEAH, VERY MUCH. GREAT 25. OKAY UH THEN. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITION IS OUTLINED BY OUR HER LAWYER.
REMOVED. THANK YOU, MR WALMART, MR WOOD. UH SHERRY. CONTINUE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. MOUSSAVI YES, SKI? YES. SAYING YES. WALMART YES, YES BRANDS BLODGETT. THANK YOU. RIGHT UM, ENJOY YOUR SUNROOM, THEN. THANK YOU. UH EVERYBODY WAS SENT THE MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER 24TH
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2023 MEETING. AH! NOT HERE. UH SO I CAN I CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE? I WAS NOT HERE CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES TO A PROOF. THANKS MR WAZOWSKI. THANK YOU, MR SINGH.MHM EVERYTHING WILL BE IN THERE. CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? BECAUSE OF SKI SING? YES, WALMART AND WHAT? YES, THANK YOU. GREAT UM AND ALL THE ALTHOUGH IT IS SCHEDULED, IT IS A IS A NOTICED MEETING DECEMBER 28TH 23. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE QUORUM AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS ANYWAY, SO CAN WE CANCEL THAT MEETING NOW? UM YES. UH HUH. AND
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THEN OUR REORGANIZATION MEETING WILL BE ON JANUARY 23RD JANUARY. 23RD CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. AND I DO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE SINCE THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING. FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE TOWNSHIP AND TO THIS BOARD. AH I THINK WE'VE HAD A PRETTY GREAT YEAR. WE'VE LEARNED A LOT UNDER MR MR DRILL.THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AS WELL. YES I THINK IT'S A IT'S A BLESSING THAT YOU'RE HERE. UM AND I'M GLAD I'M GLAD WE HAVE YOU. UH UM, THANK YOU. GUYS. DON'T THINK I'M A PAIN IN YOUR BUT YOU ARE A PAIN IN THE BUTT. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. WE DIDN'T LEARN, UM ENOUGH, AND I THINK THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS AS WELL FOR YOUR WORK FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND YOU TO SHERRY. AND THEN, OF COURSE FOR DAWN AND JOE , WHO HELPED US THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO AS WELL SO UM, EVERYBODY IS. IT HAS BEEN A GOOD YEAR. I HOPE YOU ALL WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE AGAIN. I DO HOPE THAT WE THERE'S A FEW OPEN SPOTS IN THE IN THE IN THE ZONING. I HOPE THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE CAN APPOINT PEOPLE THAT WILL BE AS GRACIOUSLY IN SERVICES YOU GUYS AND AH, I THINK THAT'S IT. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? YOU'RE SAYING AND MR
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