Nov 13, 2023 Planning

[I. ROLL CALL]

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RIGHT I GUESS WE CAN GET STARTED. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE AMOUNT SUMMARY TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, SOMERSET COUNTY IN NEW JERSEY. IT'S OUR REGULAR MEETING. OF NOVEMBER. 13TH 2023. IT IS OUR INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. AND THE TIME RIGHT NOW IS 7 P.M. AND UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. COULD WE DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CAMPUS. ROBERTS. BATTLE. BUDGET. YEAH.

KEENAN. HERE. MONEY. MATTHEWS. TODD. BLACK COLOR. HERE. KHAN. HERE. CASEY. SERGEY. SULLIVAN.

JAMES CLAVELL. SORRY. FISHING ER HERE. PART ALONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DON. OKAY. SALUTE TO THE FLAG, PLEASE. HE STANDS ONE NATION. VISIBLE WITH. HEY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS, OR Q AND A TO FIVE MINUTES AND WHEN PROVIDING COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR FOR AN APPLICATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.

AND IF YOU PREFER NOT TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE ADVISE WHICH MINISTER MUNICIPALITY YOU LIVE IN. DO YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? OKAY? NEXT ITEM IS A

[IV. RESOLUTION]

MONEY. TODD. YES. YES, YES. OKAY THE NEXT ITEM IS AN APPLICATION. THIS IS CASE PB DASH 03-23. YOU

[V. APPLICATION ]

THIS IS FOR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 32 STORY, AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE MIXED HOUSING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH 18 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 36. THREE BEDROOM TOWN HOUSES. THE EXPIRATION DATE IS 1231 23. AN AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION IS REQUIRED AND WAS PREVIOUSLY FOUND TO BE IN ORDER AND FOR THE APPLICANT WE HAVE RICHARD SHOTS HMAN ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT, AND TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MR MICHAEL FOR THE ENGINEER WHO WILL GIVE AN OVERVIEW AND THEN ANSWER SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE PLANTER RAISED. VERY FEW. MR DORJE IS RAISED. WE HAVE TOM AFTER NORD WILL GIVE COMMENTS ON SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. SCOTT NEARING THE ARCHITECT WHO WILL GIVE SOME COMMENTS WILL GIVE THE ARCHITECTURAL UH PREVIEW OF WHAT THE TOWN HOMES AND THE APARTMENTS WILL LOOK LIKE. AND WILL YOU ANSWER THE ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES? SCOTT VAN CLEEF AND TODD VAN CLEEF FOR THE PRINCIPLES OF THE APPLICANT. AND THEN GARY DEAN WILL ANSWERED A FEW QUESTIONS AND MR FISHING WERE RAISED IN HIS MEMORY. MHM AND AT THE END WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, UH ISSUES STILL LEFT ON THE COMMENTS OF YOUR PROFESSIONALS

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GOING THROUGH A LOT, 6 6002, WHICH IS THE OPEN SPACE PROPERTY THAT THE TALENT SHIP DID NOT WANT US TO GO THROUGH. AND THERE IS, IT MIGHT SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO LINES. THERE'S GOING TO BE A FORCED ME AND GRAVITY MAIN THAT GIVES THE MOST, UH A CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO BE HOOKED UP. TO THE SEWER LINE. DETAILS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AGAIN BECAUSE THE PIPE PUT PLAN HAS TO BE EXPANDED. AND THE 208 PLAN HAS TO BE REVISED. AND THERE HAS TO BE, UH, I CAN SAY THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS GOING TO HOOK UP TO IT, AND BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A GRAVITY LINE AND A DEEPER CUT, UM, OF THE TRENCH I FORCE MAIN ALSO WILL BE IN THE SAME LINE.

AND THE PUMP STATION WILL BE BILLED, UH, TWO TOWNSHIPS. SPECIFICATIONS UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT MARK HERMAN WANTS AND THAT'S THE SEWER ROUTE, SO WE WANTED TO GET STRAIGHT WITH THAT , AND TO BEGIN WITH. WE ARE MIKE FORD, WHO BE SWORN IN OKAY? MR FORD. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES I DO. THANK YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE BENEFIT OF YOUR EDUCATION AND YOUR EXPERIENCE? YES OKAY. IT'S UM MICHAEL FORD F O R. D WITH VAN CLEEF ENGINEERING SINCE 1991 HAVE APPEARED BEFORE THIS PLANNING BOARD. NUMEROUS TIMES, AS WELL AS OTHER PLANNING BOARDS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. I'M A LICENSED ENGINEER AND PLANTER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. 1985 GRADUATE OF RUTGERS UNIVERSITY COLLEGE ENGINEERING. WHO ARE YOU? PERCENT. FEMALES EXPERT THESE PLANS WERE PREPARED BY YOU OR UNDER YOUR SUPERVISION, AND YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, ACCORDING TO MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, AND YOU'VE BEEN TO THE SITE? YES DOING YOUR WORK, AND YOU'RE ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THE MISSILE LAND USE LAW OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. AM I CORRECT? YES OKAY. YOU WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW FOR THE EDIFICATION WITH PUBLIC AND THE PLANNING BOARD. OKAY, I, UH, FIRST WE HAVE. TWO EXHIBITS. UH PROBABLY JUST USE ONE. THE EXHIBIT THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS THE PROPOSED CONDITION EXHIBIT. UM. DATED JANUARY. 17TH 2023 LAST REVISED JULY 28TH 2023 REPRESENTS THE CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN. AND SO WE CALL THIS EXHIBIT A ONE? YES, PLEASE. AM I WAS ASKED TO BRING REDUCED COPIES OF THIS. IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD WOULD CARE TO YOU WANT TO REDUCE COPIES GOING TO GIVE THEM NOW? SURE. IS THIS? DOES THIS ACTUALLY REFERENCE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL

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SO SO FOR ORIENTATION. TOP OF THE PAGE IS NORTH BOMBER THE PAGES SOUTH. AH! WEST IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND I'M SORRY. EAST IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE. WEST IS ON THE LEFT SIDE. ALONG THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLAN IS OUR PROPERTY FRONTAGE, WHICH IS ROUTE 206. UM TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE IS AN EXISTING MUNICIPAL PROPERTY. THE PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH I'M HIGHLIGHTING NOW. UH HUH. AND THEN TO THE NORTH IS EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS. ALONG OUR EASTERLY PROPERTY LINE IS A WATERCOURSE KNOWN AS FOX, BROOKE. AND THE PROPERTY TOTALS OVER 22 ACRES.

IT'S IN, UH. SITE SPECIFIC INCLUSIONARY ZONING DESIGNATED FOR A PROJECT THAT INCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING THE PROPOSED PROJECT. ELEMENTS ARE 54 TOTAL UNITS. 36 TOWN HOUSES. WHICH I'M HIGHLIGHTING NOW ON A LOOP ROAD THROUGH THE PROPERTY, THERE IS A SINGLE ACCESS PROPOSED TO ROUTE 206, WHICH WOULD BE A BOULEVARD TYPE. OF ACCESS. AH AH AH, AND I'LL REPORT THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY. BEEN NOTIFIED BY N. J. D P THAT THE D O T PLANS I'M SORRY BY D O T THE N J D O T POINT. UH PLANS FOR THAT PERMIT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UM AND THE THERE IS ACTION REQUIRED BY THE APPLICANT TO FULLY REGISTER THOSE D O T. UH PERMIT APPROVALS , BUT THAT HAS BEEN ISSUED. SO THAT'S THE SINGLE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY OF THE ROUTE. 206. AH UM IT'S A BOULEVARD, WHICH THEN CONNECTS TO A LOOP ROAD THAT SERVICES THE TOWN HOUSES I REFERRED TO EARLIER AND THEN ON THE SOUTHWESTERLY CORNER OF THE PROPERTY IS AN AREA DESIGNATED FOR THE APARTMENTS. THAT'S 18 APARTMENTS, OF WHICH UH, 11 WOULD BE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SEVEN WOULD BE MARKET RATE UNITS WHILE I'M HIGHLIGHTING THIS. AH APARTMENT AREA. THERE IS PARKING DESIGNATED BETWEEN THE PARKING THE THREE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD HOUSE THE APARTMENTS. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO SMALLER STRUCTURES DETACHED STRUCTURES THAT WOULD BE SHED LIKE STRUCTURES TO PROVIDE FOR STORAGE FOR THOSE TO SERVICE. THOSE APARTMENTS THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT SLIGHT DISCREPANCY FROM THE TOWNSHIP CODE IN THAT THE REQUIRED STORAGE. WE MEET THE REQUIRED STORAGE, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE WITHIN THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, SINCE THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WOULD NOT HAVE BASEMENTS, WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE SERVICE WELL FOR PERHAPS STORAGE. DUE TO GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS AT THE SITE, NO BASEMENTS OR PROPOSED, SO WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT STORAGE REQUIREMENT IN THESE TWO INDEPENDENT BUILDINGS. THE PROPERTY WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE SUBDIVIDED INTO. FOUR LOTS. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH AND MARKET RATE APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD BE ON ITS OWN LOT. THE TOWNHOUSE COMPLEX OF 36 UNITS WOULD BE ON ITS OWN LIGHT. UM AND THAT'S AN OVERALL LOT. THE TOWN HOUSES THEMSELVES RATHER THAN A CONDOMINIUM TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT WOULD BE FEE SIMPLE. UM UNITS, THEREFORE, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A SMALL RECTANGULAR LOT. UM THAT'S WITH THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE 36 TOWNHOUSES. UM NOT UNLIKE AND VERY SIMILAR TO THE PROJECT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING HERE ON ORCHARD ROAD THAT WAS DEVELOPED NEXT TO 23 ORCHARD ROAD OFFICE COMPLEX, SO THERE WOULD BE AH, A LARGER LAW THAT HOMEOWNERS

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UM THERE'S ALSO A COLLECTION SYSTEM WITHIN THE PUBLIC ROADS THAT, UM GATHERS THE STORMWATER AND DISCHARGES IT TO THIS DETENTION BASIN. THE TYPE OF FACILITY WHERE PROPOSING IS A POND CONSTRUCTED WETLANDS SO IT WOULD HAVE A SMALL, PERMANENT POOL ELEMENT AS WELL AS SOME SHALLOW MARSH AREAS AND HEAVILY VEGETATED, SO IT'S NOT UM, WHAT HISTORICALLY MIGHT BE VIEWED AS A DETENTION BASIN, WHERE IT'S A MANICURED LAWN WITH A CONCRETE LOW FLOW CHANNEL DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THIS IS I THINK GOING TO BE NEXT. AESTHETICALLY PLEASING ELEMENT AS WELL AND AGAIN, IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. WELL. I'M SURE WE'LL GET INTO IT. UM AS WE GO ON THROUGH THE EVENING, BUT WE'VE HAD RECEIVED REVIEW COMMENTS EARLIER THIS YEAR AS PART OF OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL. WE RESPONDED TO THOSE COMMENTS, AND I'LL SAY THAT THE MOST RECENT REVIEW MEMORANDUM THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARDS ENGINEER HAD NO SPECIFIC ISSUES OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT, AND WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED A FAVORABLY FAVORABLE RESPONSE FROM THE DELAWARE AND RARITAN CANAL COMMISSION REGARDING THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. UM I MENTIONED PUBLIC SEWER WITH AH, THE INTRODUCTION OF ON SITE PUMP STATION. WITH REGARDS TO OTHER UTILITIES. PUBLIC WATER IS EXISTING IN, UH, ROUTE 206. UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WOULD ER SO PUBLIC WOULD OR WOULD BE PROVIDED TO SERVICE, THE BOTH DOMESTIC AND FIRE PREVENTION ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT AND THEN OTHER PUBLIC UTILITIES ELECTRIC GAS. UM CABLE TV WOULD BE THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS THAT ROUTE 206 ALONG OUR FRONTAGE. ONE OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PLAN THAT WAS MODIFIED BACK IN JULY. IN RESPONSE TO REVIEW COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN'S PROFESSIONALS WERE WAS THE UM, REVISITING OF THE PROPOSED GRADING A WRONG LONG ROUTE 206.

THERE WAS A DETAILED REVIEW OF THE EXISTING TREES IN THAT AREA. THE GRADING ALONG ROUTE TWO WAS SIX WAS, UM, PULLED BACK FURTHER INTO THE SITE. SO THAT THE, UM DISTURBANCES OF THOSE EXISTING CHOOSE ALONG ROUTE TWO OR SIX COULD BE MINIMIZED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. AND THERE WERE ACTUAL SITE VISITS AND MEETINGS WITH THE BOARDS. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IDENTIFY SPECIFIC TREES THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED ALONG THAT FRONTAGE, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT AS PART OF THE JULY 28TH 2023 PLAN REVISIONS AND ACTUALLY RECEIVED A FAVORABLE REVIEW MEMORANDUM FROM THE BOARDS. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DATED OCTOBER 16TH 2023 WITHOUT ANY ISSUES OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING. HMM THE IDEA IS TO AH AS PER THE SITE PLANT SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE. THE IDEA IS TO, UH, AS HEAVILY AS POSSIBLE SCREEN THE DEVELOPMENT

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YOU HAVE A SECOND EXHIBIT. THE OTHER EXHIBIT WE HAD WAS AN EXISTING CONDITION EXHIBIT, WHICH SHOWS THE YOU HAVE THAT NOW? THIS EXHIBIT A 22 OKAY. EXISTING CONDITION EXHIBIT. AH DATED JANUARY. 17TH 2023 LAST REVISED JULY 28TH 2023. EVERY FLEX THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION SHEET TO, UH AND HAS BEEN SUPPLEMENTED WITH AN AERIAL IMAGE. OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AND. PEOPLE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY WILL RECALL THAT UM AT OUR SOUTH WESTERLY CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AND PARKING AREA. THE OFFICE BUILDING HAS SINCE BEEN DEMOLISHED. YOU'LL SEE THE DISTURBANCE ON HIGHLIGHTING THEIR NOW ON OUR PLAN, THE PARKING AREA AND DRIVEWAY WHERE THERE AND THERE WERE OTHER STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY.

SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. ANOTHER DWELLING THAT WAS CONVERTED FOR COMMERCIAL USE AND MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS ACCESSING ROUTE 206 FROM THE VARIOUS PRIOR LOTS THAT WERE ASSEMBLED, UM TO UM. ALLOW FOR THEIR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THOSE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS WOULD BE ELIMINATED. IN FAVOR OF JUST THE SINGLE DRIVEWAY. THAT'S SHOWN ON OUR PROPOSED CONDITION MAP.

ANYTHING FURTHER. I WANT. TO WITH REGARDS TO OTHER SERVICES. THE AS I SAID THE ROADS WOULD BE PRIVATE. THE PUBLIC WATER WOULD BE VIA NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WATER AS WELL AS THE OTHER UTILITIES.

PUBLIC SEWER WOULD BE FROM THE TOWNSHIP. REGARDING UM TRASH AND RECYCLING THAT WOULD BE BY A PRIVATE WASTE HAULER. AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS FOR THE PROJECT. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE MISERABLE BUILDING HERE WHERE ALL THE TOWNHOUSE UNITS WOULD HAVE.

TRASH AND RECYCLING CANS THAT COULD BE ROLLED OUT TO THE CURB LINE AND PICKED UP BY A PRIVATE WASTE HAULER AND THEN FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AREA ON ITS OWN LOT. THERE IS A TRASH ENCLOSURE AT THE END OF THE PARKING AREA, WHICH HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR A TRASH PICKUP TRUCK TO DRIVE DOWN. PICK UP AND I'M HIGHLIGHTING THIS NOW IN THE EXHIBIT. PICK UP THE TRASH TURN AROUND AND THEN PULL BACK OUT AT THE UM MAIN BOULEVARD ACCESS TO THE SITE. THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION, I THINK IN THE BOARD'S TRAFFIC CONSULTING UM, ENGINEERS MENTS WITH REGARDS TO TRASH PICK UP ALONG THIS ONE OTHER, UM THAT END AND THIS IS A HAMMERHEAD, UH , SET UP AT THE END OF THIS UM, SECTION OF ROAD THAT SERVICES JUST THE TWO TOWNHOUSE BUILDINGS AND SEVEN UNITS TOTAL AND THIS IS IDENTICAL THAT TO WHAT'S IN MANY OF THE TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITIES HERE IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP OFF OF BLUE SPRING ROAD. UH AND WE HAVE CHECKED THE SAME GARBAGE TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATE, AND THAT CAN ALSO MAKE A TURN AT THE END OF THE ROAD IN AND THEN PULL BACK OUT AN EXIT OFF ROUTE TWO OR SIX. UM WILL GO SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE PLANNING REPORT AND AGAIN, MR DARDIS REPORT. AND THE ANSWER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE DIDN'T COVER AT THE END. OKAY CAN WE JUST WAIT FOR A SECOND, MR FORD? UM AT THE BEGINNING, MR SCHATTMAN TALKED ABOUT THIS SEWER SITUATION. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TESTIFY TO THAT. SO HAVE

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GIVE THE BENEFIT OF YOUR EDUCATION AND PROFESSIONAL. BACKGROUND PLEASE. SURE I'VE BEEN PRACTICING IN THE FIELD OF ARCHITECTURE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. I'M A PARTNER AT HOLIDAY ARCHITECTS. UM, I DID DESIGN THIS PROJECT MANY YEARS AGO. UM UH AND I'VE ATTENDED ATTENDED AMERICANS THROUGH DESIGN AND PHILADELPHIA. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU TALK IT? COULD YOU TALK ABOUT IT? IT'S TOUGH TO HERE IN THIS ROOM, MICRO. UNDERSTOOD. UM YEAH. OKAY, AND, UH. YOU BEEN TO THE SITE? AND YOU'VE CHANGE THINGS. AND I'M SORRY. YOUR EXPERIENCE AND WORK. HAVE YOU BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD OR ANY OTHER BOARDS BOARD 1377 THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER

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CORRECT. OKAY AND SO YOU'RE BEING ACCEPTED, THEN. AS AN EXPERT. IN WHAT WOULD YOU DESCRIBE? IS IT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN? WELL, UH, NON LICENSED ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, CORRECT OR IS IT WOULD YOU SAY, BUILDING DESIGN CORRECT BUILDING DESIGN? OKAY? ALREADY AND WHAT YOU'VE HANDED OUT HAS MANY PAGES. MR SCHATZ, MAN, IS THIS COLLECTIVELY EXHIBIT A THREE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, PLEASE? SO BRIEFLY. I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE TOWNHOUSES AND THEN, UM, ANY COMMENTS THAT WERE ON THE PLANNERS REPORT RELATION TO THE TOWNHOUSES AND THEN ALL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE DRAWINGS AND THEN GET INTO THE APARTMENTS AND THE STORAGE BUILDINGS. UM, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE 36 TOWNHOUSE UNITS. 18 RENTAL APARTMENTS, 11, WHICH WILL BE AFFORDABLE FOR A TOTAL OF 54 UNITS, AND THEN THERE'S TWO STORAGE BUILDINGS THAT CONTAIN, UH 10 STORAGE UNITS EACH FOR A TOTAL OF 20. UH THE THERE WITHIN THE TOWN HOMES.

THERE'S THREE UNIT TYPES. THEY RANGE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM ABOUT 2670 SQUARE FEET, 2747 SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE BOTH ARE ALL THREE OF THEM ARE TWO STORIES WITH A MEZZANINE LOFT WITHIN THE ROOF SYSTEM. TWO CAR GARAGES. SLAB ON GRADE CONSTRUCTION WOOD FRAME. EACH UNIT WILL HAVE A TWO HOUR SEPARATION WALL BETWEEN EACH UNIT. UM EACH UNIT IS THREE BEDROOMS, TWO FULL BASS 2.5 BATHS, STUDY AND AN OPEN LOFT. ALL UNITS WILL HAVE THE OPTION FOR SUN ROOMS OUT THE BACK WHICH MR FORD ACCOUNTED FOR ON THE SITE PLAN. THERE'S TWO ITEMS THAT I HAVE FOR THE PLANNERS REPORT DATED OCTOBER 12TH ONES FOR THE ROOF TREATMENTS, WHICH I WILL GO OVER AS I GO THROUGH THE DRAWINGS, WHICH WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR, AND THE OTHER WAS FOR TRASH AND RECYCLING LOCATIONS. ALSO FOR THE STREET TREES AND GUARANTEE OF PLANT MATERIAL AS WELL. THAT WILL BE MR FORD. HER. YEAH. OKAY? OKAY? UM SO ON THE FIRST SHEET WERE JUST SEWING. UM PERSPECTIVE CONNECTED FIRST SHOWING PERSPECTIVE. RENDERINGS OF THE THREE TYPES OF TOWNHOUSE BUILDINGS. THERE'S A THREE UNIT OF FOUR UNIT OR 24 UNIT TYPES AND A THREE UNIT BUILDING. UH SO THIS NEXT SHEET IS FOR AN INTERIOR TYPICAL INTERIOR UNIT TOWNHOUSE ON THE FIRST FLOOR LIVING SPACE WITH A STUDY TWO CAR GARAGE. SO THE WHICH REGARDS TO THE PLANNERS REPORT THAT TRASH AND RECYCLING ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE GARAGE AREA. THE GARAGE IS ABOUT 20 BY 20 JUST IN REFERENCE. THIS IS A BMW FIVE SERIES AND THEY'RE SO BECAUSE PEOPLE LITTLE SIZE SO THERE'S AREA IN THE BACK OF THE GARAGE. FOR CAN STORAGE. THE SECOND FLOOR IS A BEDROOM LEVEL. AND THEN THE WITHIN THE ROOF SYSTEM. WE'RE HAVING AN OPEN LOFT POWDER ROOM WITH SOME MECHANICALS. SO THIS IS FOR A THREE BEDROOM, CORRECT CORRECT. THERE ARE THREE BEDROOMS. THEY DO HAVE A LOFT ON THE MEZZANINE LEVEL, WHICH IS WITHIN THE ROOF SYSTEM AND A

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SOUNDS GOOD. AND WE'LL HAVE TO BE VARIANCE. YEAH. CORRECT. SORRY TO NOTE WITH WITH REGARDS TO THAT, SO THAT UPPER LEVEL WILL HAVE. IT WILL BE OPEN WITH NO DOORS, SO IT'S MORE OF A LOFT TYPE STRUCTURE, WHICH YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE RIGHT DOWN INTO THE STAIRS. SO IT WON'T BE A CLOSED OFF ROOM. BUT VERY QUICK. YEAH. THE NEXT SHEET. UM. THIS IS AN OPTION FOR A FULL BATH ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THE OPTIONAL SUNROOM OUT THE BACK OF THE UNIT WITH A PATIO ON GREED.

DO YOU HAVE A RENDERING OF WITH THIS WITH THE SUNROOM ON IT? I'M JUST LOOKING AT PICTURES. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING BUT WITH AND WITHOUT? NO, I DO NOT KNOW. WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT IF YOU NEED TO JUST STOP LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THIS NEXT SHEET IS OUR THERE'S SO THERE'S TWO END UNITS. THIS IS ONE OF THE END UNIT TOWNHOUSE AGAIN. BASIC SAME CONCEPT STUDY ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH OPEN LIVING, UM TWO CAR GARAGE, WHICH IS A MUCH BIGGER GARAGE, LITTLE BIT MORE FOR STORAGE. THE END UNITS WILL BE SIDE ENTRY GARAGE. AND AGAIN THE SECOND FLOOR. UM BEDROOM LEVEL AND THEN THE OPEN INTEREST. AND THEN AGAIN, THE NEXT SHEET DEPICTS THE OPTIONAL SUNROOM OFF THE BACK OF THAT UNIT. FINALLY THIS IS THE LAST OF THE TOWNHOUSE UNITS AGAIN.

SIDE ENTRY, TWO CAR GARAGE, STUDY OPEN LIVING BEDROOM LEVEL. OPEN LOFT WITHIN THE ROOF STRUCTURE. AND THEN WHAT? THE NEXT SHEET IS THE OPTIONAL SO ROOM FOR THAT. UNIT. OKAY SO, UM , A FEW REVISIONS BACK WE PROVIDED TO D COLOR OLIVE ASIANS TO DEPICT EACH UNIT. UM SO WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR WITHIN THE AS PER THE PLANNERS REPORT UNDER ROOF TREATMENTS. UM WE ARE MINIMUM OF EIGHT ON 12 ROOF PITCHES FOR THIS UNIT AND THE CORNICE BOARDS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF AN EIGHT INCH FACER FACIAL WITH AN EIGHT INCH FREEZE BOARD UNDERNEATH. WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANTS. UH AND FOR A 2 FT PRODUCT PROJECTION OF THE ROOFIES. UM THE DESIGN INTENT. WE'RE SHOWING 1 FT OVERHANGS. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH BEEN AN INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR QUITE A LONG TIME WITH SINGLE FAMILY IN TOWN HOUSE DESIGN. UM SO WE'RE REQUESTING RELIEF ON ON THAT ASPECT OF THE CODE AND JAMES AND HE, UH, THOUGHTS ON THAT. EXCUSE ME. IT'S PURELY A DESIGN. UH REQUIREMENTS. SO IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH THE WAY THAT LOOKS I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH IT AS WELL. OKAY THANK YOU, A ARCHITECT. WOW DESIGN BUILDING DESIGN THAT IS THE MINIMUS.

CORRECT? YES. 1 FT. YOU'RE GOING FROM 2 FT. TO 1 FT, RIGHT. CORRECT THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH VENTILATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS AGAIN. THIS HAS BEEN AN INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN SIGNING HOMES AND THE REST OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN COMPLIED WITH STORAGE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. CORRECT YES, AND WE DO. WE DID PUT ON

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FOUR OF A THREE UNIT BUILDING. AND THEN THE LOST THE LEVEL OF THE THREE IN THE BUILDING. UH THIS DEPICTS THE FOUR UNIT BUILDING AGAIN. END UNITS HAVE SIDE ENTRY GARAGES TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF GARAGE DOORS ON THE FRONT. AGAIN THE VARIANTS FOR THE ROOF OVERHANGS, MINIMUM ROOF PITCHES OR AN EIGHT ON 12. UM AND THE SAME FASHION FREEZE BOARDS ARE APPLIED HERE. NEXT SHEET IS A FOUR UNIT FIRST FLOOR PLAN. QUICK QUESTION ON YOUR FIRST ON THE FIRST RENDERING THERE IS THE, UH, THE FULL BATH OPTION. BUT IN THE SECOND ONE, THERE'S NONE IS THAT ON THE ON THE INTERIOR UNIT. ONLY ON THE INTERIOR ONE CORRECT, OKAY? THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, FOUR UNIT BUILDING. SECOND FLOOR BEFORE UNIT BUILDING. AND THEN THE WAFFLE LEVEL FOUR UNIT BUILDING.

OKAY, SO. LIKE TO MOVE INTO THE APARTMENTS AGAIN. THERE'S 18. RENTAL APARTMENTS, 11 OF WHICH ARE AFFORDABLE SEVEN OR MARKET RATE. THERE'S FOUR UNIT TYPES ALTOGETHER, UM, WITHIN THREE BUILDINGS. THERE ARE UNIT A AND B IS A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH UNIT ABOUT 700 TO 728 SQUARE FEET. TOTAL OF TWO UNITS, UM. THERE IS A TOTAL OF TWO UNITS, BOTH WHICH WILL BE AFFORDABLE.

UNIT C IS A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH MODEL AT 1090 SQUARE FEET. THERE IS A TOTAL OF SEVEN UNITS, SIX OF THOSE WILL BE AFFORDABLE. AH UNITY IS A THREE BEDROOM, ONE BATH UNIT. IT'S 1276 SQUARE FEET . THERE IS A TOTAL OF NINE UNITS , THREE OF WHICH WILL BE AFFORDABLE. THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE TWO STORIES OF ALL FIRST FLOOR UNITS WILL BE ADAPTABLE, ACCESSIBLE. THE SECOND FLOOR UNITS WILL NOT SLAB ON GRADE WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION . THERE'LL BE ONE HOUR SEPARATION BETWEEN ALL UNITS. UM AND AGAIN, SO THE ROOF TREATMENTS ARE GOING TO APPLY HERE. THE MINIMUM ROOF PITCHES ARE NOTED AS A SIX ON 12 ON THIS BUILDING. UM, THE CORNICE AGAIN WILL BE AN EIGHT INCH FACE WITH A MINIMUM EIGHT INCH FREEZE. SO WE ARE REQUESTING THE VARIANTS FOR THE 2 FT. PROJECTION OF THE ROOF EAVES. THESE WAR CAN BE WON 1 FT. UM ALSO IN THE PLANNERS REPORT BEDROOM SIZE, SO WE DID THE CALCULATION FOR BEDROOM SIZE MINIMUM BEDROOM SIZES ON THE A AND B UNIT, WHICH IS THE ONE BEDROOM UNITS THAT BEDROOM, INCLUDING THE CLOSET WILL BE 155 SQUARE FEET. 150 SQUARE FOOT. MINIMUM WAS REQUIRED. UH UNITS SEE THE BEDROOM NUMBER ONE IS 153 SQUARE FEET AND THE SAME ONE. THE D UNIT. THE BEDROOM. ONE IS 153 SQUARE FEET. ALL THE OTHER BEDROOMS MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF 100 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT. OR ON THE ENGINEER'S REPORT DATED NOVEMBER 1ST, WHICH HAD REGARD REGARDING THE STORAGE UNITS. SO AGAIN, AS MR FORD TESTIFIED TO WE ARE NOT PUTTING THE STORAGE UNITS WITHIN THESE BUILDINGS. WE ARE REQUESTING RELIEF TO PUT THEM INTO SEPARATE BUILDINGS OUTSIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURES. AND I'LL GET INTO THOSE LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO THROUGH THE DRAWINGS. UM, THIS FIRST SHEET AGAIN PERSPECTIVES OF BUILDING ONE, BUILDING TWO AND THREE. BRINGING SOME OF THE SAME DESIGN ELEMENTS THROUGH FROM THE TOWNHOUSES. UM 1 FT OVERHANGS. AND WE'RE TRYING TO MELDED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE. THIS IS THE TWO D RENDERING OF BUILDING ONE. AGAIN WE DID THE WINDOW TO WALL RATIO REQUIREMENTS. THE 1 FT OVERHANG IS NOTED. UM AND THEN THE ROOF

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THE KITCHENS AND BATHS WILL BE ADAPTABLE FEATURES, UM, THAT IF SOMEBODY MOVES IN WITH DISABILITIES, THEY CAN BE ADAPTED FOR THEIR USE. THIS IS HYSTERIA TOWER TO THE SECOND FLOOR. UM UNITS, WHICH IS THE NEXT SHEET, WHICH IS 22 BEDROOM UNITS AGAIN. THESE WILL NOT BE ADAPTABLE, ACCESSIBLE. THERE'LL BE STANDARD TYPE UNITS. THIS IS THE ELEVATION FOR BUILDING TWO AND THREE SAME ITEMS, THE ROOF OVERHANGS THE ROOT MINIMUM ROOF PITCHES IN THE WALL. UH ONE SORRY. THE WINDOW TO WALL RATIOS. FLOOR PLANS AGAIN, SO THERE'S THREE UNIT TYPE PART THREE UNITS ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT ARE ADAPTABLE, ACCESSIBLE STAIRWAYS UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR UNITS. AND THAT WAS FOR BUILDING TOO. BUILDING. THREE AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THE NEW DRAWINGS THAT, UM THERE WAS A COMMENT. WE COPIED UP THE FIRST FLOOR UNIT, SO WE HAD TO GET RID OF THE DOOR TO NOWHERE. SO WE UPDATED THE DRAWINGS ACCORDINGLY. ON THE THREE BEDROOM. UM SO THIS IS BUILDING THREE VERY SIMILAR FIRST FLOOR UNITS ADAPTABLE, ACCESSIBLE STAIRWAYS TO THE SECOND FLOOR. SECOND FLOOR UNITS , NOT ADAPTABLE ACCESS. AND THEN THE LAST SHEET, SO THIS IS THE INDEPENDENT STORAGE BUILDINGS. UM WE TRIED TO TIE IT IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURE. IT HAS A SORRY I CAN'T SEE THAT OFTEN. MY HEAD. AH! YEAH I THINK IT WAS A FIVE ON 12 ROOF PITCH FOR 4.5 ON 12 ROOF PITCH BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO STAY UNDER THE REQUIRED BUILDING HEIGHT. UM EACH, SO THERE'S 10 INDIVIDUAL STORAGE UNITS. THERE ARE 270 SQUARE OR 270 CUBIC FEET EACH, WHICH MEETS THE 250 CUBIC FOOT REQUIREMENT. AND THERE WILL BE AN EXTRA THAT CAN BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE OR OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. BUT EVER EVERY UNIT EVERY RENTAL UNIT WILL HAVE ITS OWN STORAGE LOCKER 270 SQUARE FEET. AND RAKESH. YOU HAD I BELIEVE THAT COVERS EVERYTHING. WE HAD A COMMENT REGARDING THAT, IN IN OUR REMEMBER, REALLY HAD TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT IT WAS A SEPARATE BUILDING AND NOT, UH, PART OF THE ACTUAL UNITS, BUT MR FORD COVERED THAT EARLIER AS WELL. GREAT. QUICK QUESTIONS BEING THAT YOU ARE ME TWO STORAGES IN THE CELLAR IN THE APARTMENTS. AND SINCE THEY'RE SLABS, THERE'S NO CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? RICHIE WE GET CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? JUST PULL IT TOWARDS YOU. PARDON? SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE SORRY. UM. THE REASON FOR THAT IS AS YOU TESTIFY. THE, UM. THE THEY'RE ON SLABS AND NORMALLY WOULD BE IN THE CELLAR. AND SINCE THERE IS GOING TO BE NO SALARY PROVIDED SEPARATE STORAGE SPACES THAT'S CORRECT, AND EACH EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT DOES HAVE THE NORMAL TYPES OF STORAGE CLOSETS, MECHANICAL ROOMS, BUT FOR BIKE STORAGE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, OR JUST STUFF. UM WE ARE PROPOSING THE SEPARATE BUILDING. ABOUT 11. QUESTION ABOUT YOUR TESTIMONY. UM. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TOWNHOUSES. YOU MENTIONED A TWO HOUR WALL. AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE APARTMENT, YOU SAID A ONE HOUR WALL. WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SO THERE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CODES WITH RELATION TO THE TOWNHOUSES AND APARTMENTS SO THAT TOWNHOUSES ARE UNDER THE IRC. THAT RESIDENTIAL CODE AND THE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE UNDER THE BUILDING CODE. SHOW UNDER THE I R. C FOR THE TOWNHOUSES. YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS SEPARATION FROM THE FOUNDATION UP TO THE ROOF BETWEEN EACH UNIT THEN THAT'S THE TWO HOUR SEPARATION. THE TOWNHOUSES WILL HAVE SEPARATION AT THE GARAGE LEVEL. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S NON RATED

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OKAY? SORRY ABOUT THAT AGAIN. OKAY? UH AGAIN, WILL MAKE SURE WE COVER EVERYTHING IN THE PLANET'S REPORTED MR GORGEOUS REPORT THE ENGINEER'S REPORT. IN THE END, I'LL MAKE SURE EVERY QUESTION OR EVERY CLARIFICATION WILL BE TESTIFIED TO BY THE VARIOUS WITNESSES, SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH EACH ITEM THAT REQUIRES TESTIMONY AND CLARIFICATION WILL BE ANSWERED AT THE END, OKAY, AND THE NEXT PERSON WILL BE MR DEAN. SIR, CAN WE HAVE YOUR FULL NAME, PLEASE? GARY D E A N THANK YOU AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL.

THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR EDUCATION AND BACKGROUND, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MIKE. AGAIN GARY DEAN PRINCIPLE OF DOLAN AND DEAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS WERE HEADQUARTERED IN SOMERVILLE, NEW JERSEY, I'M, A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN NEW JERSEY AND A GRADUATE OF LEHIGH UNIVERSITY. I'VE BEEN ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE PRACTICE OF TRAFFIC, ENGINEERING AND MUNICIPAL CONSULTING FOR TRAFFIC MATTERS OVER THE PAST, ROUGHLY 40 YEARS OF APPEARED NUMEROUS TIMES IN THIS COMMUNITY. MOST RECENTLY FOR THE 1377 ROUTE, 202 APPLICATION BUT ALSO FOR THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE SOMEWHAT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SUBJECT SITE NEXT TO CAMPS, HARDWARE, AMONG OTHER PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY. MY LICENSE IS CURRENT. IT REMAINS IN GOOD STANDING AND YOU PREPARED THE TRAFFIC REPORT. WE DID NOT TRAFFIC. YOU'RE ACCEPTED YOUR ACCEPTED. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. BUT YOU. YOU WORKED ON THE D O T APPROVED ON MY CORRECT ? YES, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT GENERALLY SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2018, NOT AS LONG AS MR FORD BUT FOR THE CURRENT ITERATION. YES. AND IN THAT CAPACITY, WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, REVIEWING, UH, VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ACCESS SCHEMES PERTAINING TO THE ROUTE 206 ACCESS. UH TO REFRESH THE BOARD'S RECOLLECT RECOLLECTION. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF SIX DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND THE CONSOLIDATION OF THESE PROPERTIES IS RECOGNIZED BOTH BY D. O. T AS WELL AS GENERAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING THAT WHERE WE CAN CONSOLIDATE LOTS AND HAVE FEWER DRIVEWAYS THAT'S ALWAYS A BENEFIT TO TRAFFIC SAFETY. EARLIER THIS YEAR. OUR OFFICE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS SUBMITTED AND ACCESS APPLICATION TO N J D O T FOR THE DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. I'M PLEASED TO SAY THAT IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR THE O T APPROVED OUR ACCESS , WHICH INCLUDES THE CLOSURE OF THE OTHER EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON THE PROPERTY. UM AND IT FULLY CONFORMS WITH ALL OF THEIR STANDARDS FOR GEOMETRIC DESIGN DIMENSION IN THE LIKE WE HAVE

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BIG ONE MIGHT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHERE THE LINE IS SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN THE FIELD. CERTAINLY WE WILL. WE WILL PUT THAT ON THE FINAL PLAN. MOVE IT AROUND. WE'LL MOVE THAT TREE AROUND. OKAY, IF WE HAVE TO CAN I ASK ABOUT THE CROSSWALKS THERE BECAUSE WE WERE BEEN FOCUSED A LOT ON PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES AROUND TOWN. SO UM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT ONE OF THE GERMAN TO ASK YOU THIS TO ABOUT DOING SOME OF THE, UM EITHER RAISING IT OR SOMETHING FROM PEDESTRIAN SAFETY OR THE, UM YOU KNOW THE FLASHLIGHT SO PEOPLE CAN CROSS LATELY. I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE AND CONSIDERING THIS IS BASICALLY A DEAD END.

THERE'S NO THROUGH TRAFFIC. THE ONLY PEOPLE COMING IN HERE ARE THE RESIDENTS AND DELIVERY VEHICLES. QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S PROBABLY OVERKILL FOR A RAISED INTERSECTION OR ANY OF THE FLASHING LIGHTS. THERE'S JUST NOT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU AND JOE. YOU DID HAVE OTHER COMMENTS HERE. I WAS ABOUT TO GET TO THOSE MR CHAIRMAN, OKAY, BECAUSE YOU HAD SAID THE ONE BUT THE SECOND ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY AND UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 20 FT OF PAVEMENT. AND WE HAVE PROPOSED 18 BECAUSE THESE ARE FEE SIMPLE LOTS AND IT WILL BE THE HOMEOWNERS OR PERHAPS A GUEST AND THAT A REGULAR PARKING SPACES NINE BY 18. WE COMPLY WITH THE NINE BY 18. I I'M A RARE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MORE PAVEMENT IS ALWAYS BETTER. SO I THINK IT'S A DAY MINIMUS. ENOUGH EXCEPTION THE PERSON I'LL SAY EXITING THEIR VEHICLE. YOU KNOW, STEPS ON THE BLACKTOP BUT DOESN'T HAVE YOU KNOW A FULL 2 FT. BUT A CAR IS GENERALLY 6 FT. WIDE SO IN MY OPINION THERE SUFFICIENT ROOM FOR THEM. TO WALK IN. IT WOULD BE AN INFREQUENT USE, BECAUSE THESE ARE GARAGE SPACES, SO I THINK THE BALANCE A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN VERSUS YOU KNOW, DOUBLE ADDING 2 FT. ON EVERY ONE OF THESE DRIVEWAYS, I THINK ON BALANCE YIELDS OF SUPERIOR DESIGN OVERALL ABOUT THE UNITS ARE THERE THE UNITS THAT WERE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE UNITS? OR THOSE UNITS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY GETTING IN AND OUT WITH AND YOU'LL SEE AS I SCROLL DOWN THE PLAN WHERE WE HAVE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES. THOSE ARE FOR THE APARTMENTS AND THEY WILL HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE AS YOU HEARD FROM OUR ARCHITECT INTO EACH UNIT. THEY ARE CONVERTIBLE

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UNLESS MR SHOTS MAN HAS A PROMPT FOR ME, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU ANY ANY OTHER NO, I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING, MR CHAIRMAN. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GIRAFFE AFTER NORTHWEST. SIR DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL.

THANK YOU WANT TO GIVE THE BENEFIT OF YOUR EDUCATION AND YOUR BACKGROUND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND? DO YOU NEED MY NAME? YES, WE DID. TOM OFTEN ORDERED THAT A U F F TWO F C AS IN FRANK. HE THEN O R. D AS IN DAVID E. UH I'M, AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT WITH A CALL SCIENCES. MY BACK. MY EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND IS I HAVE A MATTER OF SCIENCE AND A MASTER'S DEGREE IN BIOLOGY. FOR THE PAST 37 YEARS I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED, UM, WITH EQUAL SCIENCES AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST. AH UM, VICE PRESIDENT. THERE NOW, MY FIELD OF EXPERTISE IS ON THE, UM YOU KNOW, I DID THE SOFT ENVIRONMENTAL SITE. IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT CLEAN UP ACTIVITIES. IT'S UH, WETLANDS PROPERTY DONE. HUNDREDS OF PROPERTY ASSESSMENTS FOR EXTENT OF WETLANDS, WETLAND DELINEATION PERMITTING, WITH CHEAP DP INTERFACING WITH THE UM REGULATORY AGENCIES, AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENTS FOR, UM, MEETING TOWNSHIP ORDINANCES AND THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THEIR ASSESSMENT AS WELL. I'VE BEEN QUALIFIED AS A ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP, BUT ALSO IN NUMEROUS OTHER BOARDS AND NEW JERSEY, INCLUDING BRIDGEWATER AND HILLSBOROUGH BURNERS, TOWNSHIP. UM. SO AND YOU'VE BEEN ADVISING THE APPLICATOR ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. I HAVE YES. YES, OKAY.

NEAR. YOU WANT TO ACCEPT HIS CREDENTIAL FLAVOR? YES, ACCEPTED AND WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU.

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NARROWS DOWN THROUGH HERE AND THEN ALONG THE FOX RUN. UH UM, LOWLAND. FOR THE MOST PART, THERE IS A FINGER OF WETLANDS THAT COMES UP AND PORTION OF IT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA. UM AND THE UPPER PART OF THAT IS A IS A IS A SWELL THE. THE APPLICANT HAS HAD IS GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR A PERMIT TO FILL A PORTION OF THE WETLANDS SWELL FINGER IN ROUGHLY THIS THIS LOCATION. UM THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTING A PERMIT FOR THE ACCESS ROAD AND CONNECTION OF THE SEWER TO DPW. YARD IN THIS LOCATION, AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO, UM GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR AN AVERAGING PLAN FOR THE WELDING BUFFER. SO IT'S NEW JERSEY. DP DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT PROTECTION REGULATES ACTIVITIES NOT ONLY IN WETLANDS BUT ALSO A SET BACK FROM THE WETLANDS, WHICH IS 50 FT. IN THIS CASE IS MIKE FORD MENTIONED MR FORD MENTIONED, UM WE HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OF INTERPRETATION FROM FROM THE N J. D P, WHICH VERIFIED THIS WETLAND DELINEATION AND CLASSIFIED THE WETLANDS, UM AS INTERMEDIATE RESOURCE VALUE WITH A 50 FT BUFFER, AND THE SWELL FEATURE DOES NOT HAVE A BUFFER. SO IN REGARDS TO THE WETLAND BUFFER WERE ALSO APPLYING FOR AN AVERAGING PLAN. THEY CALL IT WHICH IS A IT'S A GEOMETRIC EXERCISE. BASICALLY YOU CAN, UM REDUCE THE WETLAND BUFFER AND ONE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR AN ACTIVITY. BUT YOU COMPENSATE FOR THAT REDUCTION BY INCREASING THE WETLAND BUFFER IN ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. AH, AND THE QUESTION THAT THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE HAD WAS, UM. SEEING THE AVERAGING PLAN AND THE REDUCTIONS AND THE COMPENSATION. THEY ASKED THE QUESTION THAT FOR THIS WETLAND SWELL, PHIL, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE COMPENSATION FOR THAT? AND THE ANSWER IS NONE IS REQUIRED UNDER THE REGULATIONS FOR THE PERMIT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FILL THAT SWELL. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO COMPENSATION PROPOSED. UM THIS SECOND QUESTION THEY HAD HAD TO DO WITH THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES. UM. AND I GUESS I SHOULD BEGIN BY BY SAYING THAT THE NEW JERSEY DP HAS MAPPED REALLY THE ENTIRE STATE. UM FOR THE ABILITY FOR THREATENING AND DANGEROUS SPECIES HABITAT. SO THEY THEY ASSIGN A RANKING SYSTEM TO IT. BUT BASICALLY, UM HABITATS THAT THAT COULD PROVIDE HIM COULD PROVIDE HABITAT FOR CERTAIN SPECIES. BUT THERE'S NO RECORDS ARE RANKED ONE AND TWO UM, HABITATS THAT. SUPPORT THREATENED SPECIES OR RANK THREE. STATE STATE THREATENED STATE AND DANGER TO RANK FOR AND FEDERAL SPECIES OF RANK FIVE. SO WITH WITH THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT WRECKED, RANKED AS HABITAT FOR THREATENED ANY THREATENED OR ENDANGERED SPECIES. IN THIS CORNER AND BASICALLY ALONG THE EASTERN OFFSITE EDGE OF FOX, BROOKE. THAT AREA IS MAPPED AS RANKED FOR HABITAT FOR, UM I MEAN, RANK FIVE HABITAT FOR FEDERALLY LISTED SPECIES. UM AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S UH A COUPLE OF BAD SPECIES NORTHERN, NORTHERN, LONG EARED BAD AND INDIANA BAD. UM.

IT'S ALSO MAPPED AS FORGING HABITAT FOR BALD EAGLE, WHICH IS A STATE ENDANGERED SPECIES. AH, UM THE QUESTION OR YOU KNOW THE BAT. THE BATS ARE THE REAL ISSUE HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT IN WITHIN THE MAPPED AREA FOR THE PROJECT. UM BUT BUT THE BATS THE FEDERAL THE FEDERAL, UM. THE FEDERAL U. S FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE THAT REGULATES POTENTIAL

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THAT'S THE PRIMARY ISSUE WITH WITH THESE BAT SPECIES. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRICKED, CLEARING TREES ON YOUR PROPERTY ANYWHERE, BASICALLY, UM, YOU HAVE TO, UM. YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS NOW TYPICALLY AH, UM THE WAY THIS IS HANDLED IS ESPECIALLY IF YOU NEED TO GO TO THE N J. D P FOR WETLANDS PERMIT LIKE WE DO. UM THEY WOULD DP WOULD GIVE THE U.

S FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, COPY THE PERMIT AND REVIEW THEM AND ASKED THEM TO A PINE IF FISH MY LIFE FEELS LIKE, UM THAT THAT . BASED ON THEIR RECORDS. THEY HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT YOUR PROJECT COULD IMPACT THE BATS, THEY'LL THEY'LL PLACE A TIMING RESTRICTION ON WHEN YOU CAN CLEAR THE TREES AND THAT'S TYPICALLY CLEARING IN THE WINTER SEASON BECAUSE THE BATS ARE ACTIVE IN THE SUMMER SEASON, SPRING AND SUMMER, SO THAT'S WHEN THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO CLEAR SO THE TIMING RESTRICTION ON TREE CLEARING LIMITED, LIMITING IT TO BASICALLY THE OCTOBER TO THE END OF MARCH PERIOD IS TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT'S HANDLED AND THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE SAID THAT IF THE IF ASKED THAT IF THE BOARD IS GOING TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, CAN YOU MAKE THAT TIMING RESTRICTION CONDITION OF APPROVAL. AND. I WANT. I WANT TO MENTION THAT. YOU KNOW THAT THAT THE APPLICANT HOPES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT BUT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO COMPLY WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE. UM GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS TO PROTECT BATS. UM IF YOU HAVE TO CLEAR DURING THE ACTIVE SEASON AH, THEY WILL REQUEST THAT YOU CONDUCT A SURVEY FOR THE BATS. UM IF YOU DO NOT FIND ANY BATS THAN. THAT WILL LET THE LET YOU CLEAR SO BECAUSE BECAUSE THERE'S BASICALLY KIND OF A TWO TIERED APPROACH TO COMPLYING WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE REQUIREMENTS. UM THE APPLICANT JUST FEELS LIKE JUST TO JUST TO PRESERVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THEIR PART THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONDITION REGARDING THIS, THIS ISSUE THAT WOULD BE THAT YOU'LL COMPLY WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE, OR THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE REQUIREMENTS TO PROTECT PATHS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A LIMITED TIMING RESTRICTION, WHICH IS ONLY ONE WAY THAT YOU CAN UM, RIGHT WITH WHAT FISHING RELIES. FISH AND WILDLIFE REQUIRES ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S FAIR AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT IS COMPLYING EITHER WAY, RIGHT? OKAY, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ME.

YEAH THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY OKAY. MY TESTIMONY. UM I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANTER, MR. ORG ENGINEER AND MY VERY WELL BE THAT THE AFRICAN AH, GLORIA ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. SO WAS SCOTT AND TODD VAN, PLEASE. BE SWORN AND THEN IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MR VANCLIEF, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY AND YOUR PRINCIPLE OF RELIGION ASSOCIATES, THE AFRICAN AND THE OWNER. YES, I AM. AND, UM, YOU ARE THE GUIDE GUIDING FORCE WITH THE PROJECT IN NORTHERN REVISIONS, CORRECT THAT IS CORRECT TO START WITH THE PLANNER. MHM. PLENTY REPORT IS OCTOBER 12TH 2023, WHICH I'M, REFERRING TO AND. THE 2.3 0.3 AND 2.3 0.4. THEY WANT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSULTATION DOES NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PURVIS COVERAGE OF 50. WE WILL AGREE TO THAT IT THEY ASKED FOR A CONTINUING, UH, CONTINUING CONDITION AND WE WOULD AGREE TO THAT. IT WON'T BE MORE THAN 50% BUT IT SHOULD BE A CONDITION.

MHM AND SO THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE IN 2.3 0.4. AND THE PUMP STATION 2.3. WE'RE NOT GOING OVER THE BUILDING COVERAGE. SO THAT'S ON PAGES FIVE AND SIX OF HIS MEMO. THE NEXT ONE. AND NEEDS CLARIFICATION. YES. UM THIS IS FOR YOU, SCOTT. UH, 3.2 ON PAGE

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REPLACE THE MOUNTAIN LAUREL SHRUBS WITH LEAF. MHM LEATHER LEAF VIBURNUM, WHICH IS CAPABLE OF 6 FT HEIGHT. HOWEVER THE PLAN SCHEDULE DOES NOT SPECIFY THE HIDE AND PLANNING PLANNING HEIGHT OF AT LEAST 36 INCHES IS RECOMMENDED IN ORDER FOR THESE PLANTS TO ACHIEVE THE REQUIRED 6 FT HEIGHT. WE AGREE IN AGREEMENT THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. MR BROUGHT ALONG. OKAY, FINE. 4.4 0.3 ON PAGE 10. THE APPLICANTS SHOULD TESTIFY TO DEMONSTRATE THE ADEQUATE ADEQUACY OF THE SPATIAL ACCOMMODATE TRASH AND RECYCLING VEHICLES WERE COLLECTION IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE PLACE FOR THE APARTMENT. YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT AGAIN, OR WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY, UH, GONE THROUGH THAT ADEQUATE? THE NEXT IS 5.2 ON PAGE 11 OF. PUMP STATION OWNERSHIP APPEARS ATTACHABLE OWN AND MAINTAIN THE PUMP STATION PROPERTY ONCE IT'S SUBDIVIDED. SHOULD BE CONFIRMED BY THE APPLICANT AND ANY AND THEN ANY NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION THAT AFFECTS SHOULD BE PROVIDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. AND THE ANSWER IS YES. WE'RE DOING THAT. AS I SAID, BEFORE, UH, TO THE SPECIFICATIONS REQUIRED BY MR HERMAN AND WHO WILL PRESENT IT TO THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE.

WE'RE BUILDING IT. AH WE'RE OVER SIZING IT AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AND YOUR ORDINANCE 16-4 0.14 C ONE C P TWO PROVIDES FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWNSHIP. SINCE I WAS WRITING YOUR ORDINANCE. SO IT'S CONFIRMED, AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DESIGN WAIVER OR ANY VARIANTS ON IT. SO WE'RE AND WE'RE DOING IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH JUST WHAT MR HERMAN WANTS. HONEY. UM.

ALTHOUGH THE NEXT ON 5.3 5.3. ON PAGE 12, ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT IS INDICATED ACROSS EAST SINCE WE'LL BE FINE NATURE WAY AGREEMENT RATHER THAN WHEN THE PROPERTY DEEDS WILL YOU RECOMMEND THE RIGHT OF USE AND ACCESS TO BE FORMALIZED WITH A DEED OF EASEMENT, SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY THE BOARD OF ATTORNEY IN THE SUBDIVISION PLAN SHOULD CONTAIN A NOTE INDICATING THAT THE USE ENACTS ACCESS. THE COMMON ELEMENTS IS PERMITTED BY ALL RESIDENTS WILL PUT THE NOTE ON THE PLAN. BUT I'LL WORK THAT OUT WITH MISS QUADRUPLED. OKAY WHATEVER SHE WANTS THESE THE ULTIMATE SHE'S GOING TO REVIEW THE HOME WATER STOCK MOVEMENTS. OKAY, SO WHAT SHE WANTS WILL DO.

ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANTS RESPONSE LET THIS IS 6.1 0.2 ON PAGE 12. ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANTS RESPONSE LETTER STATES THAT HAD NOTE HAS BEEN ADDED TO SHOOT 28 TO ADDRESS THE NOTE STATED STATES THAT THE GUARANTEE SHOULD BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH OUR OR SO YES AND JS 40 COLON 55 D 53. THE REVISED SUBMISSION DOES NOT INDICATE CONFORMANCE WITH HIS ENVIRONMENT. PLANS SHOULD BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE REQUIREMENT WENT THROUGH THAT BASICALLY 4055 D HYPHEN 53 SAYS THE SAME THING. BUT IF YOU WANT THE EXACT QUOTE FROM THE ORDINANCE WILL PUT IT ON RIGHT.

YOU SKIPPED THE REQUIREMENTS. ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK TO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO 6.1 0.1? YOU SKIPPED? YEAH. YEAH, YOU SKIPPED IT. 6.1 0.1. 61.1 THE AFRICAN POETRY

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I UNDERSTAND, MR BARLOW IN YOU WENT OUT ON THE SITE. AND YOU INDICATED WHAT YOU WANTED ON THE SITE, AND WE PROVIDED EVERY TREE THAT YOU WANT IT IN THE SCREENING. YES OKAY. YOU FEEL THAT THE LANDSCAPING IS ADEQUATE , BOTH THE SCREENING AND THROUGHOUT THE SITE SO BASED ON THE LIMITS OF THE SERPENTS, WHICH IS GENERALLY CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? IN GENERAL? IT WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE, WHICH IS A WAIVER OF MY UNDERSTANDING. IT'S GENERALLY ACCEPTED BY THE BOARD. YES, THANK YOU. I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME QUESTION. SO HOW MUCH SO BASED ON THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE? WHAT SHOULD THE NUMBER OF TREES B I BELIEVE THERE IS 172 CORRECT. AND YOU'RE PROVIDING 172 BASED ON THAT. OKAY CAN I ALSO ASK IS THE EXHIBIT HERE? CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY TO BE PAINTING THE NAKED ABOUT IT, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR IT REFLECT THE ACTUAL TREES. OR IS THIS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST I DO NOT PREPARE THAT HAVE TO BE THE APPLICANTS. THAT'S THAT'S FROM THE ACTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED CORRECT. AND ARE THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG 206. WHAT WHAT HEIGHT ARE THEY GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE? ARE THESE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TREES IN THE DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF THAT THAT ARE QUITE TALL. SO ARE THESE SPECIES THAT IS GOING TO GROW AND REALLY SEEMS LIKE IT'S NATURALLY THERE LIKE THE OTHER ONES NORTH OF IT. YES WE HAVE ENDEAVORED TO WE'VE WORKED WITH MR BARR LOAN. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO CHANGE THE SPECIES TO ADAPT TO NATIVE SPECIES AND SPECIES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. YES, MR HAMBLETON THERE A VARIETY OF INDIGENOUS, UM, SHADE AND EVERGREEN AND SOME NON NATIVE EVERGREEN TREES ALSO, BUT THEY WILL GET A GOOD 50 TO 60 FT. TALL STANDARDS TREES, AND IT'S TYPICAL OF WHAT'S BEING PLANTED THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. AND 6.1. 0.3 IS BASED ON RICHARD. SO GOOD. OKAY SORRY ABOUT THAT. 6.1 0.3. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. STRAIGHT TREES. UH, THE PLANTER POINTS OUT, THE APPLICANT INDICATES SOMETHING CONFIGURATION OF THE STREET TREES WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE TOWNSHIP LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND AS A REASONABLE APPROACH TO FACILITATE TREE DEVELOPMENT AND HEALTH DESIGN EXCEPTION WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THIS ITEM. THIS IS THE SPACING INDUSTRY TREES IS THAT. DO YOU CONFIRM THAT MR BORN ALONE, PLEASE? THE OPTION WAS TO DO IT AT A RANDOM INSTEAD OF TYPICAL SPACING, SO IT'S BASED ON THE LEVEL LOCATIONS AND THE QUALITY OF THE SITE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. ABSOLUTELY. MHM. HE POINTS OUT ON 6.4 0.6 ON PAGE 14 THAT THE LIGHTING PLAN HAS BEEN UPDATED CONTAINING THE BOUNDARIES DESCRIBED IN THE TABLE AND SHEET 31 OF THE PLAN TO REDUCE THE AVERAGE FROM 1.02 TO 1, WHICH IS COMPLIANT AND DESIGN EXCEPTION IS NO LONGER REQUIRED. SO AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE PLANNER WE WERE NOT SEEKING ANY, UH, SITE PLAN OR DESIGN WAIVERS FOR THE LIGHTING AND COMPLIES. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE RECORD. SO NOTED. ALTHOUGH THE ARK AND 7.4 I BELIEVE WE COVERED ABOUT THE BEDROOM SIZE GUIDE, STRICTLY REVELLI ABOUT THE BEDROOMS. YES. NO HE WAS COVERED BY THE ARCHITECT, OKAY? AH US IN 7.5 TO CHANGE THE, UH EACH OF THE THREE BEDROOM UNIT PROVIDES ONE FULL BATHROOM A POSSIBLE THE APPLICANT YOU CONSIDER RE FIGURING THE THREE BEDROOM UNITS DEPLOYED 1.5 BATHROOMS. UH THE AFRICAN MAY ALSO WISH TO REVISE THE ARCHITECTURAL FOR UNIT TYPE D FIVE, A SECOND FLOOR UNIT TO SHOW NO ENTRANCE FROM THE RIGHT SIDE EXTERIOR DIRECT DIRECTLY TO THE GREAT ROOM. YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT MR. NEARING? I BELIEVE WE DID COMMENT ON THE WE

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YEAH. WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL TO GET ANOTHER BATHROOM IN THERE AT THIS POINT. AND I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY THE TRADE OFF IS YOU WOULD REQUIRE MORE SPACE BUT RIGHT UP WITH THREE BROTHERS, SO ONE BATHROOM IS TOUGH, AND THEY GOTTA SELL THEM. SO I GOT YOU. EXPERIENCE. OKAY? OKAY? THE NEXT IS 7.1 ON PAGE 18. DOWN IN THE BOTTOM UNIT. BEYOND SHAPE SHEET. 18 IS INDICATED AS A LOW MODERN INCOME UNIT THAT YOU LOW INCOME, ONE BEDROOM UNIT THAT SHOULD BE REVISED THE STATE LOW INCOME RATHER THAN LOW MODERATE. THE APPLICANT RESPONSE LETTER INDICATES THE PLAN WILL BE REVISED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, OKAY? AH THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE AN OVERALL FACING PLAN. AND WHERE ARE YOU? WHAT SEVEN OR 7.11? THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE. PARDON WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW? 7.10. 7.2, 18 AND 19.

AND NOW I'M GOING TO GO TO SOME 0.11. OKAY, GOOD. ALRIGHT YEP. OKAY THE APPLICANT YOU PROVIDE AN OVERALL PHASING CLEAN AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING PHASES SCHEDULE, INCLUDING DETAILS OF CONSTRUCTION TIMING FOR EACH BUILDING. AFFORDABLE HOUSING FACING SCHEDULE MUST INCORPORATE CONSTRUCTION OF TOWN HOMES IN THE CALCULATOR PERCENTAGE OF CONSTRUCTIVE MARKET RATE UNITS THAT WILL TRIGGER THE REQUIRED CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. WE WILL DO THAT. AND WHAT THEY DO IN THIS TOWNSHIP. IT'S CALLED THE KOA DEVELOPERS PLAN AND THEN LAYS IT ALL OUT. MR CARVEL, OKAY? AND I'M SURE BETWEEN MS QUIROGA, WHO'S IN WHO'S THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY SHOULD CONSULT WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE IT COMPLIES WITH THE REGS. BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T DO IN THIS PROJECT. SO THE TOWN I CAN STATE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THEIR THIRD ROUND 11 UNIT. MHM OBLIGATION IN THE JUDGMENT OF REPOSE THERE WAS ENTERED ON JULY 25TH 2019, OKAY? THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE CONFIRMATION COMPLIANCE IS ESTABLISHED A MAXIMUM AND AVERAGE RENTS OR SALES PRICES FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, INCLUDING A UTILITY ALLOWANCE FOR THE UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE. REYNOLDS YES, WE WILL CONFIRM COMPLIANCE. OKAY MY CORRECT, MR CLEESE. YES, OKAY.

AH NEXT IS 7.14 ON PAGE 20. YEAH AFRICA SHOULD REVISE UTILITY PLAN ON IN WAR. THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS TO SHOW HOW GAS WILL BE LIVER TO SHOW WHERE ANY EXTERNAL METERS FOR THE RANDOM BUILDINGS WITH A LOCATED AND HOW THEY WERE SCREENED, IF REQUIRED TO SHOW WHERE ANY EXTERNAL HEATING AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT FOR THE RENTAL PILLS WHERE WE LOCATED AND HOW THEY WERE SCREENED, IF REQUIRED. MY CORRECT, MR FORD. YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH MITCH. MR BART ALONE IN DETAIL AND THE FINAL LOCATION OF THOSE UTILITY METERS, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULDN'T BE DETERMINED UNTIL THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION.

IN CONSULTATION WITH THE UTILITY COMPANY. THEY HAVE SOME JURISDICTION OVER THAT FOR CERTAIN. SO WHAT WE THINK WE WOULD DO IS JUST ADD A NOTE TO THE PLAN THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO ONCE THOSE FINAL LOCATIONS ARE TERM IND. PROVIDES SCREENING TO, UH, MR BARLOW IN SATISFACTION OF THOSE UNITS LIKE THE GAS METERS WHEREVER THEY END UP ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR THE ANY, UM YOU KNOW OTHER UTILITIES THERE AT GRADE. OKAY? OKAY RICHARD? YEP AND THAT WOULD BE A SUPPLEMENT TO THE LANDSCAPING. THAT'S ALREADY THERE. RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY, UM FROM NOW ON 7.15.

MHM. THE AFRICAN ON THAT SONG PAGE 20. THE APPLICANTS SHOULD DEMONSTRATE IT IN ITS ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND ITS UNITS WILL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE ACCESSIBILITY.

ADAPTABILITY REQUIREMENTS. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH MR NEARING TESTIMONY? YES. I YEAH, HIS TESTIMONY AND SPOKE SPECIFICALLY TO THAT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY AMENITIES, THE AMENITIES.

UH YOU DESCRIBE, WHICH WAS DESCRIBED BY MR AND THIS IS 7.16 . I'M SORRY. PAGE 20. THE

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INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPS MUNICIPALITY SHALL COOPERATE WITH DEVELOPERS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS WERE VERY AWARE OF THAT. WE CAN MOVE JUST A TIME CHECK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE ORDINANCE. OKAY JUST GIVING YOU A TIME CHECK. WE WILL STOP AT 10 O'CLOCK TONIGHT. SORRY I'M TRYING TO MOVE AS FAST AS I CAN. MR. CHAIRMAN THAT'S FINE. YOU DON'T WANT TO POINT OUT RIGHT? AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND, UM. ALSO THE CASE OF POLAND VS SOUTH PLAINFIELD PLANNING BOARD. AH SAYS THE WHOLE THING VERY BRIEFLY. FOCUS THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD FOCUS ANALYSIS LUCIDLY UPON WHETHER BENEFITS DERIVED FROM REQUESTED VARIANCE SUBSTANTIALLY OUT WHAT OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT. SO THERE'S SO THE APPELLATE DIVISION CASE SAYS IT'S UM IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GET, YOU SHOULDN'T CONCENTRATE ON EACH VIRUS. AND AS I SAID, THERE'S ONLY ONE VIRUS. THE 1 FT VERSUS THE 2 FT. WELL BUILDER WANTS TO BUILD IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. THEY MUST BUILD SOME COHOUSING AS WELL. SO LET'S MOVE ON, PLEASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR DOHERTY'S MEMO. FIRST, THE. HE POINTS OUT THE VIRUSES, UM TESTIMONY. ON THE VIRUSES. FRENCH REQUIREMENTS. UM. WHY DO WE NEED A 6 FT INSTEAD OF A 4 FT FENCE? UH FOR THE BACK OF THE TOWNHOUSES? YES THE AMONGST THE DESIGN WAIVERS IS, UH AT THE REAR OF EACH TOWNHOUSE UNIT BETWEEN THE UNITS WOULD BE A 6 FT. HIGH PRIVACY FENCE BASICALLY PROVIDES SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PATIOS AT THE REAR OF THOSE AS OPPOSED TO THE 4 FT HIGH MAX.

THERE'S ALSO A FENCE PROPOSED FENCE DEVIATION FOR THE PROPOSED PUMP STATION WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING ANY FOOT HIGH SECURITY FENCE AROUND THE PUMP STATION VERSUS THE FOREFOOT, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PUMP STATION IN THE COMMUNITY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING. MHM WERE ALSO REQUESTING AT THIS TIME. APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD FOR THE IMPORT, DIRECT OR EXPORT OF I'M SORRY. IMPORT OF 5000 CUBIC YARDS OF EARTH WORK. UM SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY RECALL. I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BETTER THAN A YEAR AGO. MAYBE LONGER. WE WERE ACTUALLY HERE FOR APPROVAL TO BRING IN SOME FILM MATERIAL THAT'S ALREADY THERE, AND THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT AND LIKE THAT APPROVAL IS PART OF THIS RATHER THAN HAVE TO REVISIT THE BOARD FOR THAT, UM, THAT APPROVAL SO THAT'S NUMBER SIX. CORRECT CORRECT THAT MAY JUST RECRUIT WITH THE CONSULTANTS TO MY WRITER THAN FOR ME THAT THE DEFENSE UH, RELIEF IS ACTUALLY VARIANTS RELIEF, NOT WAIVERS. UM SO I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THAT MY LETTER MISTAKENLY CAUSED A WAIVER OF ACTUALLY VARIANTS.

REALLY? VERY RIGHT. OKAY, SO BOTH FENCE BOTH TRANSPARENCY STATION AND THE PRIVACY FENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. THE JUSTIFICATION IS THE SAME. UM SO YEAH, I THINK THE BENEFITS OF.

I'LL DEFER TO JAMES. I'M GETTING IN HIS INTO HIS WHEELHOUSE. BUT THE BENEFITS OF THE PRIVACY PROVIDED BY THE 6 FT FENCE AND SECURITY PROVIDED BY THE FOOTPRINT AT THE PUMP. UH PUMP STATION LOT, I THINK OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENTS THAT MAY BE REALIZED. THANK YOU. OKAY WE'VE COVERED FOUR BEFORE. UM THAT'S REGARDING THE PARKING SPACES ON. FIVE IS A STORAGE SPACE FOR THE

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I S YOU CAN PROBABLY PROVIDE TESTING AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION TO REDUCE YOUR PAYMENT SECTION, IF NEEDED. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IS THIS STANDARD ACTUALLY THE TOWNSHIP STANDARD SECTION ONLY PLACE WHERE YOU FALL? SURE, GEO TECH? YEAH. ENGINEERING TO SUPPORT THAT THE USE OF THAT STANDARD PAYMENT. THE ONLY PLACE WHERE YOU FALL SHORT IS THE D G A. THE SUB BASE YOU HAVE FOUR INCHES AND ASSUMING PORTS UPGRADED SEXUALLY. IT'S SIX PER RCS. SO I THINK YOU WOULD JUST AGAIN DETAIL IT AS A COURSE UPGRADE CONDITION COMPLYING WITH ISIS.

AND THEN IF YOU UM, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE TESTING AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, YOU CAN REDUCE THE PAYMENT SECTION. YOU CAN NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY ON THE ON THE PLAN AS WELL. AND EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE PRIVATE ROADS, ALL THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE INSPECTED BY YOUR TOWNSHIP ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SO ARE YOU AGREED TO THIS, SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH NO PROBLEM. OKAY.

SORRY. GOOD. OKAY I THOUGHT IT SUCCEEDED. I'M SORRY. I MADE A MISTAKE. THAT WAS MY MISTAKE, ACTUALLY. LINE WE COVERED AH! CAN RECORD WE COVERED UM. THAT'S IT. I BELIEVE GENERAL. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE TESTIMONY ABOUT THE TRASH? AND THE RECYCLING COLLECTION IN GENERAL.

BUT IF I CAN NOT, I DON'T WANT SHORT TURKEY OR PRESENTATION. BUT JUST ABOUT ALL THE TESTIMONY THAT WE REQUESTED, UH, IN OUR REVIEW MEMO HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE ADVOCATE AND THE PROFESSIONALS AND I'M SATISFIED WITH THE TESTIMONY. THEY HAVE PROVIDED. UH, THE ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS OR ACTUALLY, THE TWO ITEMS WHICH WE ALREADY DID DISCUSS THE SOIL IMPORT AND THE PAYMENT CROSS SECTION. I DO WANT TO STAY FOR THE RECORD THAT IN 1991. I WAS A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL WHEN MIKE FORD STARTED THIS JOB, AND 32 YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO MILK A PROJECT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT I WAS AT RUTGERS WHEN MIKE FORD WAS A RUTGERS AS WELL. SO UH, RAKESH MUKESH ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR SIDE? ACTUALLY I AGAIN YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THE CHICKEN HAS PROVIDED ALL THE TESTIMONY REGARDING YOU KNOW THAT WE REQUESTED OUR LETTER. THE SANITARY SEWER. WE'VE ALREADY PUT THAT TO SORT OF REST EARLY ON. SO I THINK OTHER THAN THAT MY LETTER ISN'T SATISFIED, BUT AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO. DENY YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY ANYTHING SO OKAY, BUT I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. TO, UM ACKNOWLEDGES.

LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF EASEMENTS FINE. UM. FOR WE ALREADY DISCUSSED. IT'S THE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS. FIVE THERE'S NO PHASING IN FILE FACING PLAN. THERE'S NO FRIENDS. I UNDERSTAND . I DID GET A CHANCE AGAIN, UM TO HAVE A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR FORD EARLIER. TODAY TO REALLY GO OVER SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN OUR IN OUR MEMO AS WELL, SO GREAT. I'M OBVIOUSLY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE NO, WE'RE GOOD THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT? YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M GOOD. THE ONLY THING WE THE ONLY THING WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO. IS TWO THINGS. THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, INDIVIDUAL WATCH AND THE BEGINNING POINTS BECAUSE THE DID NOT FILING ACT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE MAP FILING ACT, MR GEORGE, AS LONG AS THE COMPOSITE MAP FALLING LONG I'M I'M COOL AND NO DESCRIPTIONS BECAUSE JUST JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

AND I KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. UM PEOPLE LOT OF TIMES IN MY EXPERIENCE, 56 YEARS THEY JUST DO A LOT AND BLOCK ON THE FILE MAP. THAT'S WHY YOU FILE MAP. CLEAR. HOW ARE THEY? IF SOMETIMES THE ARCHITECT THE SURVEYOR STARTS WITH WITH A BEGINNING POINT ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND ON THIS ROAD SOMETIMES THEY PROVIDE ON THE OTHER. ROSS IF I SUPPLY YOU WITH IT HAD TO LET IT ADDS A WHOLE OTHER LAYER OF POSSIBILITY FOR SO WE'RE SO WE'RE FINISHED WITH

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BUT HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO YOU HAVE ANY ACCESS TO THE PARKS FROM HERE LIKE HOW OUR KIDS WHEN YOU GET TO THE THERE'S NO TOWN CENTER HERE, LIKE THERE'S LIKE THE VET ROBBINSVILLE OR PLAINSBORO. I SEE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME DRIVING THE PARKS. PARK ISN'T THAT FAR FROM THIS ZERO WAKING THE KIDS CAN GET TO THE VETERANS PART FROM THIS FROM THIS PROPERTY. WE FEEL THAT THE.

WE FEEL THAT THE PLAYER IS ADEQUATE AND THE APPOINTMENT IS ADEQUATE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

OKAY? AND THE OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE. THE SHADE TREE COMMITTEE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL

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INSTRUMENTALITY ATTRACTIVE. THIS BUILDING, I THINK IS LACKS A LOT . THIS PROJECT LACKS A LOT OF

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THAT'S THE SIDE THAT CAN YOU SPEAK? IT IS. I HATE TO BRING IT . WE CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. JUST PUTTING SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT WAS THE QUESTION YOU ASKED HIM. CAN YOU SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE? SPEAK INTO THE MIKE. OKAY YOU CAN'T HEAR YOU IS THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU SHOWED US THE REVERSE OF THE BUILDING MOST OF THE SIDE THAT'S GOING TO FACE 206 STAY ON HERE. MOST OF THE THIS IS ROUTE 206. IF YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS. THE FRONT. CORRECT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE FRONTS OF ALL THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT THROUGH THAT 30 FT BUFFER WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THROUGH SO YOU'RE VERY GOING TO SEE MOST OF IT, BUT WHAT YOU WILL SEE WILL BE THE FRONT OF THE OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THE LAST. THE LAST THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. IT'S SOMETHING I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT NOW. I READ ALL THE MATERIAL, SO I UNDERSTAND AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPED PART OF THIS ACREAGE AND THE ADJOINING UNDEVELOPED PART OF THE ACREAGE, WHICH IS GIVEN TO THE MUNICIPALITY BECAUSE IT'S WETLAND. I DO NOT SEE THAT THAT AREA OF WETLAND. IT IS AN AREA THAT IS GOING TO CONTAIN.

ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF STORMWATER WHICH COULD COME DOWN. AND SO MY QUESTION IS. WHERE IS THAT STORM WATER GOING TO GO? IS IT GOING TO WASH OUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE DOWNSTREAM? I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR, AND IT'S NOT BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. AND SO THAT'S THE THIRD ISSUE I WOULD LIKE DISCUSSED AND I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM. POSITIVE RESOLUTION FOR THAT, BECAUSE YEAH. VOLCANOES IN ICELAND ON THE NEWS THIS MORNING DEVASTATION IN THE UNITED STATES AND AGRICULTURAL AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO TAKE THEM MORE SERIOUSLY AND LOCALLY. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? MR. CHAIRMAN DO YOU WANT ME TO PLEASE? THE OPEN SPACE ALONG THE FOX BROOKE. WILL BE LEFT AND IT'S NATURAL CONDITIONS, SO NO CHANGE IN LAND COVER WILL RESULT IN NO CHANGES STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THAT AREA. AND THEN THE AREA TO BE DEVELOPED. THE FRONT HALF PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS SERVICED BY AN ON SITE STILL MOTOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND AS I TESTIFIED EARLIER, UM NOT ONLY DID WE ADDRESS ALL THE TOWNSHIP OR THE BOARD ENGINEERS COMMENTS THAT'S WHY THERE ARE NONE IN THE MOST RECENT MEMO REGARDING STORMWATER WE HAVE RECEIVED A FAVORABLE UM, REVIEW REPORT FROM THE DELAWARE RIVER AND CANAL COMMISSION INDICATING THAT WE COMPLIED WITH THE STANDARDS. THAT END THERE WILL BE REVIEWED AGAIN BY THE GDP AS PART OF YOUR WETLANDS PERMITS. THAT'S CORRECT. THE STORM. MOTOR DESIGN DOES COMPLY WITH THE TOWNSHIPS

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ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC. WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER TO HER? WHAT? WHAT WAS YOUR THAT WE ALL HOPE TO SEE. THE NEW PLAN, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. HELLO. OKAY THE NAME IS JESSE HAVENS AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AVENUE DOWN, PUT DOWN . PUT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR MOUTH. IN FRONT OF IT. LIKE ON AMERICAN IDOL. RIGHT THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT IT. THERE YOU GO. OKAY? THE NAME IS HAVENS. JESSE HAVENS LIVE ON LUDLOW AVENUE LIVED THERE ALMOST 50 YEARS. SO I HAVE SOMEONE ELECTION. I'M SURE I KNOW THE ANSWER. DO YOU SWEAR FROM YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING IF FACTUAL OR FACTUAL WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. BUT ANYWAY, UM. I HAVE TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO BE THE DEAD HORSE. BUT LISTEN, JUST MEET SOME VERY GOOD POINTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HARLINGTON IS A SPECIAL NAME TO US. NOW I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS EVERY RIGHT TO NAME IT. ANYTHING HE WANTS. I WOULDN'T ARGUE THAT POINT. BUT HAS HE? I'M SURE IT'S QUITE WELL AWARE. IT'S A VERY UNPOPULAR THING THAT HE'S PUTTING HERE. AND IT WOULD HELP EASE THE UNHAPPINESS OF THE COMMUNITY IF HE COULD FIND IT IN ITS RIGHT TO OBLIGE US AND GIVE IT A DIFFERENT NAME. I BELIEVE, HE SAID HE WILL HE HAS AGREED TO THAT. I CAN'T. I CAN'T HEAR BACK HERE. IT'S NONE OF US CAN. DON'T WORRY. IT'S THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. I THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. DON'T THANK HIM. THANK THE APPLICANT WHEREVER HE'S SAYING, YEAH, OKAY, UM THEN WE COME TO WELL.

THEN THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT, AND I CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, SO THAT'S KIND OF TOUGH. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SATISFY MY CURIOSITY BECAUSE AGAIN, I CAN'T HEAR BACK THERE AND I STILL LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PRE TREATMENT OF ROOF RUN OFF THIS. I'M SORRY. TREATMENT OF ROOF RUNOFF. PRE TREATMENT OF ROUTE RUN UP. COMPREHEND WHAT CAN YOU READ THIS? SO SHE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE PRE TREATMENT OF ROOF RUNOFF IS. WELL, PRE TREATMENT IS IT IS FILTERING STORMWATER PRIOR TO ACTUALLY BEING DISCHARGED INTO THE, UH, ULTIMATE DISCHARGE POINT, WHICH IS THE WETLANDS. UM ROOF FORM OF TYPICALLY ISN'T PRE TREATED

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BUT SO HELP ME I DON'T DOESN'T COMFORT WHY I'M SORRY. IT IS ONE BIT AND I THAT'S WHAT IT IS, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GOT TO BE BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SAY THAT WE CAN HAVE BEFORE THERE. SEEMS TO BE TWO YEARS THAT HE'S WILLING TO COME BACK AND REPLACE AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THAT'S GREAT.

BUT AFTER TWO YEARS, HE'S NOT RESPONSIBLE. I WONDER IF WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT BEFORE THE TWO YEARS RUNS OUT HE COMES BACK AND WE GO OVER WHAT WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT. MAYBE YOU CAN STILL GET A CHANCE HAVING TO LET SOMETHING DIDN'T TURN OUT QUITE THE WAY WE WANT IT. THAT IS MY JOB. WE HAVE A TWO YEAR EFFORTS COMPLETED TWO YEARS WE HAD DO AN INSPECTION AND ANYTHING THAT IS NOT DOING WELL OR DEAD NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, AND WE'RE NOT, AND IT'S PART OF A MAINTENANCE BONDS, SO WE'RE HOLDING MONEY. FROM THEM. SO WE MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY DON'T DO IT, IT'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO YES, THERE IS A MECHANISM ANYTHING TOTALLY FOR TWO YEARS, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. IS THAT THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S STATE LAW.

SO I WILL DO THE INSPECTION AND I'LL MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DOING WELL AT THAT TIME.

ESPECIALLY WITH THESE NATIVE PLANTS. DONE THE ONES THAT I SEE. GROWING AROUND HERE. DON'T DO A HECK OF A LOT OF SCREENING. THERE'S A LOT OF SCRUB THIS THROWS. A LOT OF THE EVERGREENS.

UM AREN'T NECESSARILY NATIVE TO THE THIS AREA, BUT WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN. WHAT'S AVAILABLE, UM, NOTHING THAT WOULD BE INVASIVE AND THEN BEST PRACTICES WILL DO OUR BEST TO SCREEN AGAIN. TYPICALLY, THERE WAS SIX AT LEAST 6 FT. TALL EVERGREEN TREES AND YOU'RE RIGHT. IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN FIVE YEARS TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER TO THE BLOCK OF VIEW OF A TWO STORY BUILDING. UM, BUT THAT IS THE ORDINANCE AND I'LL MAKE SURE THEY COMPLY WITH ALL THE RULES.

I PROMISE. THANK YOU. UM OKAY WITH. YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISPUTE THAT THEN CLIFF THAT'S PERFECT, GREAT TO DO WHAT HE'S DOING. AND I FACT I DON'T BLAME HIM. HE'S HELD UP PROPERTY AND PAID TAXES ON IT, AND I DON'T BLAME HIM FOR ONE TO MAKE A PROFIT. BUT UM AND EVEN MORE TO THE POINT IS THAT WE SURE NEED A SEWER APPROVAL, THEN HIGHLIGHT FOR HIGHLY NATION. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SEWER GET BUILT WITH THE WEATHER. ANYTHING ELSE GETS BUILT OR NOT? I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU START WITHOUT WAITING FOR ALL THE REST AGAIN. YEAH. THAT'S YOU HAVE TO WORK THAT WITH WHOMEVER I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR IT, BUT THAT'S NOT MY DECISION, EITHER. SO UM, BUT I MUST TELL YOU THAT IN MY VIEW AND THE VIEW OF A LOT OF PEOPLE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ABSOLUTELY JARRING INTRUSION INTO ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT. MONTGOMERY HAS GREAT REASON TO BE VERY, VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED HERE WITH OUR MASTER PLAN FOR 206. AND REACH TOWN OR IT'S LOOKS GOOD. YOU DRIVE THROUGH MONTGOMERY AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE

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OKAY ANY ANY OTHER SPECIFICS LIKE CAN SAY IS THAT IT'S A CRYING SHAME THAT THIS HAS TO HAPPEN. YES IT'S VERY NICE TO HAVE HOUSING AND I DON'T KNOW WE THIS URGENT THIS MUCH, BUT FOR HIM TO MAKE A PROFIT. I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING. HE AND HE DESERVES TO. HE'S EARNED JUST BROUGHT IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IF WE HAD ANY WAY TO GO BACK TO THE KIND OF SCREENING WE HAD BEFORE PROTECT US FROM THIS KIND OF INTRUSION. WE WOULD BE VERY WISE TO ENACT THE NECESSARY LIKE RESTRAINTS BECAUSE IT'S A SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. BUT IT'S BEING ALLOWED, AND I'M TOLD THAT AS LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE RULES, WE CAN'T STOP THEM. SO I DON'T WRITE THE RULES AND I KNOW HIM. FORCE HIM. I JUST WATCHED IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? OKAY DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT? ON MULTI CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT TO HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE, AYE. ANY NEWS. OKAY THANK YOU. BEFORE THE BOARD DISCUSSION. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FOUR MINUTE. BREAK. HOW'S THAT? OKAY. WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN FOUR MINUTES. JUST ASKED WHY BIO BREAKS. GOING TO BED. BIO BREAK. YEAH. THE LONG ONE.

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YES THEY COULD KEEP EXTENDING THIS SAYING I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL I'VE GOT EVERYTHING LEARNED OUT OF THE TOWN. UM THEY WOULD PREFER TO GET THE APPROVAL WITH THAT CONDITION. UM AND TRY AND RESOLVE NOW AND WRAP UP THERE. UM, NEGOTIATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT BENEFITS, SAYING.

LET'S POSTPONE IT FOR ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS, OKAY? AND YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK WHEN YOU HAVE NOW FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED NOW BY ALL THE TOWNS, ENGINEERS. BECAUSE THAT, CONCEIVABLY IT COULD TAKE FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS TO GET TO THAT POINT. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE REASONING TONIGHT. UM AND I THINK. THE APPLICANT MAY NOT HAVE PUT IT THAT WAY. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD DISAGREE WITH WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT WHY THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED TONIGHT. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY PLANS THAT COME OUT FROM FROM THE TOWNSHIPS DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE SEWER? I MEAN, SO WHERE WILL THOSE THAT WOULD BE AT THE TOWNSHIP COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE. OKAY HARPER GOES TO THE COUNTER COMMENT AT THAT TIME ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE THE FINAL SIDE. THE FINAL APPROVAL WILL BE AS AS WRITTEN THE EVIDENCE AMENDED AND IT HAS TO COME BACK HERE AS WELL. BUT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THE SEWER. SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE HAS TO BE AWAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON WHATEVER THOSE FINAL DESIGNS ARE FOR THE SEWER PLAN.

CONCEIVED PLAN, RIGHT? WELL. I FEEL LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE PLAN. OKAY BUT AGAIN THAT THAT'S THE PURVIEW OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ENGINEER TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. OKAY, BECAUSE WHEN. COST IS INVOLVED, AND YOU KNOW, THE TOWNSHIP HAS TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT. THAT'S THAT'S THEIR WORLD, NOT OURS. BUT WHAT THE DANGER HERE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT'S THE DANGER? BUT THAT LICENSE MEMBERS OF YEAH. AND WHAT IS THE NAME? THEY DON'T SORT. THEY DON'T PUT THE SUIT WITH THE SEWERS AND THEY CAN'T BUILD THE HOUSES. RIGHT RIGHT. AND WE JUST HAVE RIGHT APPROVAL FOR THE STORY, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE TO TRUST THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE AND THE TOWNSHIP PROFESSIONALS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR JOBS AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.

BEFORE ANYTHING IS BUILT. WHICH I DO. WHICH IS WHY I WOULD. I'M WARM. YEP. BRIAN OTHER COMMENTS

[02:30:09]

YOU COULD PROBABLY CORNER BLOCK UP THAT CORNER MAKING A CLOSET SO I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ONE FOLLOW MINE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ALLOW FOR FULL BATHROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR IF THERE'S NO INTENTION TO HAVE A BEDROOM. UH IF WE DON'T WANT BEDROOMS, THEY'RE THERE AND YOU CAN PUT I GUESS THE QUESTION THERE'S A TOWNSHIP HAVE AN ORDINANCE AGAINST OR IS THERE ANY ZONING WORDS NOT AWARE OF THAT SO NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, EITHER. WE CAN'T STOP IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES THERE. YOU CAN'T STOP. WHAT IF THEY WANT TO DESIGN A FULL BATHROOM SOMEONE, BUT THIS IS AN OPTION TO BUILD OUR OFFER, SO WE COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT THE BUILDER TO OFFER FULL BATHROOM AS AN OPTION. WELL LOOK, I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL BEFORE YOU YOU'RE CONTROL IS LIMITED TO HAS THE APPLICANT COMPLIED WITH YOUR SITE PLANT STANDARDS, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SITE PLANT STANDARDS THAT SAY IN APPLICANT. UH I CANNOT OFFER A FULL BATHROOM AS AN OPTION AS AN UPGRADE, IF THE CONSEQUENCES THAT. SOME PEOPLE HAVE FAMILY WHO COME AND VISIT FOR A LONG TIME, AND THEY STAY IN THE STUDY AND THEY USE THE YOU KNOW THAT? I THINK THAT MAY GO BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN REGULATE. THE APPLICANT IS ALREADY SAID. THAT'S FINE. WE AGREE. NO ONE CAN START CONVERTING LOFT SPACES. WE AGREE THAT'S A CONDITION THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. BUT I DON'T KNOW ON WHAT BASIS IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLANT ORDINANCE THAT YOU WOULD SAY NO BATH, FULL BATHROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. NO. WE'RE JUST NOT ALLOWING IT. AND THEN WHERE DOES THE LINE GO? IN OTHER WORDS , YOU HAVE A COLLEGE STUDENT WHO COMES HOME PART OF THE YEAR AND THEY WANT TO STAY IN THE STUDY. THAT'S FINE BATHROOMS. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. BUT THIS THIS GROUP THAT THIS BODY HAS DONE IT BEFORE, RIGHT. WE RESTRICTED AH, NOT BUILDING FULL BATHROOMS AND BASEMENTS. SO. BUT IF IT'S DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT. THAT'S THE BASEMENT.

[02:35:03]

MAYBE NOT, MAYBE FOR FOUR MINUTE WALK TO THE CROSS PEOPLE WON'T DO IT. I'M NOT SURE SO WELL ACROSS THE STREET. IS THERE A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE? WHAT'S WHAT'S IT? THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, TOO, BUT I THINK I THINK IT'S JUST I THINK IT'S THEIR PARKING LOTS. SO PAVEMENT MOSTLY, I BELIEVE SO. YOU'RE SAYING PUTTING A CROSSWALK WHERE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY . YOU KNOW WHATEVER. THERE'S NO TITLE. I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A LIGHT THERE. I MEAN, FOR RIGHT, PRESUME WHAT I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE A FLASHING NUMBER TWO OF SIX. CAN WE PUT A FLASHING LIGHT ON THE STATE? WE COULDN'T. I'M SURE YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE STATE. I'M ASKING, SHOULD SHOULD WE ASK THEM TO WORK WITH THE STATE TO SEE IF THEY COULD TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING PUBLIC MEETINGS ON PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING . PEOPLE ARE JUST CROSSING ROUTE 206 IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS, SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY VALID QUESTIONS, SO BUT, JOE, WHAT IF WE WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? SO WHAT? WE'RE WHEN YOU SAY, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANYTHING AS SIMPLE AS TWO WHITE LINES AS A CROSSWALK, ALTHOUGH YOU WOULD NEED THE RAMPS ON EITHER SIDE, AND YOU WOULD NEED TO GET THE STATE TO AGREE TO WANT TO PROVE IT. UM. ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST A SIMPLE CROSSWALK. THE STATE TYPICALLY WANTS TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF HOW MANY PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE ROAD. AND IF YOU PUT A CROSSWALK AND LIGHTS AT EVERY SINGLE STREET AND EVERY SINGLE DRIVEWAY THEN TO HAVE SEX IS ONE BIG CROSSWALK. UM. YOU KNOW IF THERE IF YOU THINK THAT A CROSSWALK THERE AT THE STREET IS DESIRABLE. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO LOOK INTO THE STATE WOULD NEED TO APPROVE IT AND ULTIMATELY IS THEIR INTERSECTION. UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD THEM TESTIFY THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR PERMITS TO THIS DESIGN TO THE STATE DID NOT REQUIRE IT. SO YOU WOULD BE ASKING HIM TO GO BACK TO THE STATE. VERY FAR FROM HARLINGEN CROSSOVER. YEAH BUT DONE EVEN IF IT'S IT DOESN'T MATTER LIKE LIKE BRIAN SAID. I KNOW IS THAT NOT THAT FAR. PEOPLE STILL CROSS. I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING THAT BUT TALKING TO THE MICROPHONE, DON, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AT ALL. I'M SORRY STATEMENT LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE THERE WILL BE TWO STOPPING POINTS VERY CLOSE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE ONE IN HARLINGEN THE CHURCH, OKAY, IF YOU HAD ANOTHER ONE UP THE STREET WOULD BE HARD FOR YOU TO GET PERMISSION TO DO SURE. OKAY DON KNOWS THE HIT. DON PROWLING REMEMBERS ALL OF THE HISTORY THE STATE TYPICALLY DOES NOT WANT TO PUT CROSSWALKS TOO CLOSE TOGETHER WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING ACROSS. THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING 300. FT IS USUALLY ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT.

THE STATE SAYS. YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE WALKING DOWN TO THE SIGNAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. EXACTLY WHAT THIS DISTANCES, BUT THAT IS THE STATE'S TYPICAL RESPONSES THEY DON'T WANT. THEY WANT TO FOCUS TOO. THEY WOULD RATHER SEE YOU

[02:40:01]

THAT'S SURROUNDING HERE IS PRIVATE LAND, SO THERE'S NO EASEMENT FOR THEM TO CREATE A PATHWAY OR TRAIL. BUT I'M NOT SAYING TO BUILD THEIR ME I DON'T KNOW THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THEY MAY ACTUALLY HAVE EXISTING TRAILS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES THAT CAN LINK UP TO SOMETHING HERE. I DON'T KNOW NOTHING ENJOINING. THERE'S ONLY ONE THING THERE THAT WOULD INTEREST KIDS. AND I ASSUME IS GOING TO STAY WITH, BUT THERE IS A STORE THEIR CREDITORS. THAT'S THAT'S WHY I WAS BRINGING BEING ABLE TO CROSS THE STREET. I CAN SEE KIDS WANTING STORE NEXT DOOR.

VETERANS PARK IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW THEY COULD GET TO THESE COMMUNITIES AND MAKE THEIR WAY OVER TO VETERANS PARK. THAT WOULD BE A NICE YEAH, WE'RE TOLD . I THINK I THINK THAT'S A VETERAN'S PARK IN RELATIONSHIPS. IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. SO I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU WENT DIRECTLY EAST, YOU WOULD GET THE VETERANS PART. BUT THERE IS A PRIVATE FARM THE THERE'S THE WETLANDS, WETLAND AND WATER. YEAH. AND AGAIN THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK OF THAT, I WOULD THINK IS THE PURVIEW OF THE TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S VERY BIG ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN TERMS OF INTERCONNECTION. I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT'S THAT'S ONE IDEA. BUT JUST IN GENERAL TO ME, LIKE THE YOU KNOW? THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ON THIS

[02:45:04]

WE'VE YOU KNOW, TALKED WITH THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER FOR OVER A YEAR AND THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY LIKELY THE PRIMARY ACCESS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THE TOWNSHIP IS MAINTAINING THIS IN PUBLIC WORKS. PEOPLE ARE YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE SITE, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THEM TO TAKE THE STRAIGHT SHOT FOR THE DRIVEWAY HERE RATHER THAN TO HAVE TO GO OUT ONTO A SIX. SO WE HAVE THAT IT'S IN THE PLANS ALREADY. BOTH OPTIONS. OKAY SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TWO TREES THERE.

TWO TREES IN THE WAY OR THE FENCE AND WE CAN. OKAY SO THAT WOULD ALL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

OKAY AND THEN THE SIDEWALKS. DO THEY? WHERE DO THEY THEY'RE THEY DON'T GO ALL AROUND. THEY ALREADY GAPS OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. OKAY OKAY, SO THAT THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS. OKAY? ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY THE BOARD QUESTIONS.

OKAY? THEN WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, OKAY.

ALRIGHTY. WELL THE APPLICANT REQUIRES VARIANCES FOR A 1 FT ROOF OVERHANG AND TO ALLOW PRIVACY, FENCING AND PUMP STATION FENCING EACH TO BE 10 FT. APPLICANT RECORDED 10 FT. 6 FT AND 8 FT. 6 FT. 6 FT 8 FT FOR THAT FOR THE PUMP STATION. GOT IT. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THEY REQUIRE DESIGN WAIVERS. FOR THE NUMBER OF TREE REPLACEMENTS. TO BE BASED UPON THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE, AND THAT WOULD BE 100 AND 72 TREES TO BE REPLACED ALONG WITH THE LOCATION OF THE

[02:50:02]

CONDITION OF APPROVAL WILL BE NO CONVERSION OF LOFT SPACES, TWO ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS. THEY HAVE ALSO AGREED THAT THEY WILL NOT USE THE NAME HARLINGEN IN THE NAME OF THE PROJECT. AND THE BIGGEST CONDITION THAT THEY ARE ALTERING THE SEWER ALIGNMENT ROUTES. AND THEY ANTICIPATE NOW GOING THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS SITE. TO HARLINGEN ROAD TO RUTLAND.

THEY HAVE ADVISED THEY WILL BE BUILDING A PUMP STATION AND A FORCE ME THAT THEY WILL COMPLY.

WITH THE TOWNSHIP SPECIFICATION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURES. ALL OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE TOWNSHIP GOVERNING BODY AND, OF COURSE, THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEERS.

IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT ABLE TO OBTAIN THOSE APPROVALS, THEY MUST RETURN TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER APPROVAL, AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THEY HAVE COME BACK TO THE BOARD. UM FOR A NEW PRESENTATION OF WHATEVER NEW SEWER ALIGNMENT AND CONSTRUCTION THEY NEED. SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE. IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO ADD, LIKE WE CAN DO THAT. MR CHAIRMAN. WHAT ONE THING THAT I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT THE DELIBERATION THERE, UM I BELIEVE THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT A RESTRICTION ON CONVERTING THE LOFT OR THE STUDY. YES STUDY. OKAY, GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. THERE WAS A LATE AGREEMENT ABOUT IT. THE NAME? I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO. I'M SORRY. SHE GOT OKAY, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT KAREN LAID OUT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS MR CARON LAID OUT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BRIAN. OKAY. ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

BLODGET? YES. NO. I'M ABSTAINING . JUST A POINT OF ORDER. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THEN YOU DON'T KNOW CAN SO. TO MOVE FOR A VOTE. BUT OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE NOT TO DENY CORRECT IT IS A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE? SECOND MOTION. ANYBODY. PROVING A SECOND MOTION. YOU CAN SECOND IT OKAY, SO WAIT. OKAY LET'S PROCEED WITH THE ROYAL CALL. SORRY. THANK YOU. AND, UM JUST START OVER. YEAH. BLODGETT.

HAMBLETON. ABSTAINED SINCE PART OF THE ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS. MATTHEWS. TODD. I'M ABSTAINING AS PART OF THE ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS AS WELL. KHAN. YES. AND CAMPUS. THANK YOU. WHAT'S

[02:55:01]

THAT'S WHEN I GOT THERE ARE DIFFERENT. SHALL WE SAY ANALYSES ABOUT HOW YOU CONSIDER ABSTENTIONS? BUT. MY UNDERSTANDING IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IS THAT THESE ABSTENTIONS DO NOT COUNT AS NO VOTES. SO IN THAT CASE, I INTERPRET THIS TO MEAN THAT THIS RESOLUTION HAS BEEN APPROVED OF THE APPLICANT OR MR KATZMAN IS ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THAT, BUT.

OKAY THEN WE ARE APPROVED. AND BEFORE I SAY OFFICIALLY, I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO REMAIN IN THEIR SEATS FOR THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MINUTES, SO THAT WE CAN FINISH OUR BUSINESS WITHOUT EVERYBODY TALKING. IF THAT'S OKAY, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE'S NO UM VARIANTS HERE IS THAT WHY THAT THIS CAN BE OR I MEAN, THERE'S THE ONE VARIANCE, BUT IT'S ONLY A BULK THINGS. IS THAT CORRECT? E YES, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY FROM MY OWN RIGHT. UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THE. THE ABSTENTIONS CAN BE CONSIDERED THERE'S A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. FOR AN APPROVAL. WE WOULD NEED THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE 1234. WE HAVE 47. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS THAT THE ZONING BOARD GUARANTEE YOU NEED A SUPERMAJORITY, WHICH WILL BE FIVE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T ADDRESS USE VARIANTS.

CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO I'M SORRY. I'M THE I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING BOARD. SO THAT WAS WHERE MY HEAD IS WHERE YOU WERE AT. THANK YOU. YES, IT IS FOUR OF SEVEN. SO YEAH, OKAY. WE NEXT

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HAPPENED. TODD. YES YES, YES, YES. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS THE MINUTES TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF OCTOBER. 23RD 2023. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? THE MOTION TO APPROVE EMOTION. SECOND IT ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES. HAMBLETON. MONEY. CAMPUS YES, THANK YOU. FUTURE MEETINGS. SO FAR WE HAVE NOVEMBER 27TH 2023, BUT THAT HAS BEEN CANCELED. THERE IS NOTHING SCHEDULED FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. HMM. OUR SITE PLAN SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE FOR DECEMBER 5TH AT 8:30 A.M.

AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PLANNING BOARD MEETING DECEMBER 11TH 2023 AT SEVEN PM WITH THAT DO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, MOVED TO HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR. AYE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.