Jul 27, 2023 Zoning Board

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UM. GOOD UH, GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD. SOMERSET COUNTY, NEW JERSEY, REGULAR MEETING TO BE HELD ON JULY 27 2023 TIME IS NOW 704. IT'S THE ZONING BOARD'S INTENTION TO CONCLUDE THIS MEETING NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT NOTICE IN TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. UH, CAN YOU CALL THE

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SO, UH MR ABBAS ABDI, CAN YOU PLEDGE? YES. THAT'S ALL PLEASE. THANK YOU PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

REPUBLIC STANDS ONE NATION. YEAH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HERE. RIGHT I'D LIKE TO, AS IS CUSTOMARY, OPENED UP THIS MEETING WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT AS A REMINDER THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S SUBJECT AGENDA. SO ANY ANY GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC TO THE BOARD WILL BE WELCOME. AND AS USUAL. NO THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. BUT

[IV. APPLICATION Case BA-07-22 ]

THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPLICATION IS SEPTEMBER 30TH 2023. AN AFFIDAVIT OF NOTIFICATION AND PUBLICATION REQUIRED AND PREVIOUSLY FOUND TO BE IN ORDER. ALRIGHT UH, I THINK THIS IS THIS IS THE THIRD TIME. UH YOU KNOW, COMMENCING THIS APPLICATION IN IN THE SPIRIT OF EFFICIENCY. WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, ALLOWING THE APPLICANT TO MAKE ALL PRESENTATIONS WITHOUT THE BOARD MAKING ANY CROSS EXAMINATION BEFORE THE WITNESSES COMPLETELY DONE WITH HIS TESTIMONY, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DONE. I THINK WE WERE JUST A LITTLE BIT LOOSE ON THAT LAST TIME AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO MAKE A FULL PRESENTATION. SO UM, FLOOR IS YOURS. EVENING. FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS FRANK PETRINO AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. WE'RE HERE ON A CONTINUATION OF THE HEARING BEGUN. BELIEVE ON JUNE 22ND. AH AT THAT HEARING, THERE WERE, UH, A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS RAISED ON JULY 14TH.

WE SUBMITTED UM EIGHT OR NINE REVISED EXHIBITS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE BOARD. UM. TONIGHT. WE HAVE FOUR WITNESSES. JEFF JEFF HABERMAN WILL START OUT AND GO THROUGH THE REVISED EXHIBITS. WILL FEINBERG OR ARCHITECT IS HERE, AND HE'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE UH, ARCHITECTURAL PLANS ELEVATIONS FOR PLANS FOR BOTH THE SCHOOL AND THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT KEVIN. SAVAGE. UM WHO, UM, WE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UH, THE VARIOUS TRAFFIC ISSUES, INCLUDING ADEQUACY OF PARKING. UH UM, VOLUME OF. TRAFFIC THAT WOULD ENTER THE SITE. UH AND THE COMPATIBILITY OR THE ABILITY TO HAVE THESE TWO USES BOTH LOW. GENERATOR VOLUME GENERATOR USES ON THE SAME SITE, AND THEN OUR CLEANUP HITTER IS, UH, THAT'S MCMANUS. JIM KYLE IS IN CALIFORNIA. AH HE SENDS HIS BEST WISHES, BUT HE'S HAPPY TO BE THERE. UM SO, UM. I THINK, UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

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MCMANUS SO LET'S BRING HER UP TO GET HER SCORN IN NOW. OKAY QUALIFIED NOW, BUT THIS MORNING, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH FOR THE RECORD, SPELL YOUR LAST NAME AND GIVE YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICANT. SURE. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH MCMANUS. THAT'S EMC M A N. U. S. AND I'M THE APPLICANTS PLANNER. THANK YOU.

OKAY MR. CHAIRMAN THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR ME. AND I DOUBT THERE ARE, UH, IT'S JEFF TO COME FORWARD. WE'VE ALREADY HE'S ALREADY BEEN QUALIFIED, SO HE'S JUST GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO HIS TESTIMONY REGARDING THE REVISED EXHIBITS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM ANOTHER ONE MINUTE.

UM. ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS TO TAKE AN EMERGENCY PHONE CALL , SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST RECESS YOU DO YOU THINK? DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE LIKE FIVE MINUTES? OKAY IF SHE'S NOT BACK WITHIN FIVE MINUTES, THEN WE'LL JUST CONTINUE SO WE DON'T LOSE THE BOARD MEMBER. APOLOGIES BUT IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, LET'S LET HER GO. SHE'S LEAVING DOWN RIGHT NOW. SHE'S GONNA MAKE A FIVE MINUTE PHONE CALL. SHE HAS SOMEONE AT HER HOUSE TO TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE. SHE JUST GIVE SOME DIRECTIONS. SO DO YOU WANNA WAIT FOR FIVE MINUTES? IF WE GIVE WE COULD? YES PLEASE, COULD WE DID I KNOW IF IT'S SEVEN MINUTES THAT'S FINE, RIGHT? YEAH SO, YEAH. SORRY FOR THE DELAY.

BUT YES, LET'S UH YEAH. GREAT YEAH. FIVE MINUTE RECESS OF YOU NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM OF TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES. REMEMBER? OKAY. THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC FOR AND THE APPLICANT AND EVERYONE ELSE FOR WAITING. UM THANK YOU, MARILYN. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT FIRST WITNESS TONIGHT FOLLOW UP FROM THE LAST HEARING IS JEFF HABERMAN AND AGAIN HE WAS QUALIFIED AT THAT MEETING. YEAH, BEFORE YOUR. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE LAST THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THE QUESTIONS WAS, YOU WOULD ENTERED THREE EXHIBITS INTO THE RECORD A ONE THROUGH A THREE AND THEN MY NOTE SAYS EXHIBIT A THREE NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. CORRECT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA START SOMEWHERE NEAR THERE. I THINK WE

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YOU WANT THIS? IF YOU WANT THIS MARKET EXHIBIT A FOUR EVEN THOUGH ON ORDER LIST IT'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER. OKAY, 84. ARE. WE 100% SURE THAT THIS WAS SUBMITTED 10 DAYS AHEAD WITH THE 7 27 DATE. YES. THIS IS THE OTHER ONE. THIS EXHIBIT IS A REVISED, POLARIZED RENDERING OF THE SITE PLAN SHEET THAT WAS PART OF THE FULL SITE PLAN PACKAGE. WE HAD REVISED THIS PLAN PURSUANT TO COMMENTS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD AND THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS. AT THE LAST MEETING. THERE ARE THREE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS ON THIS PLAN THAT WERE REVISED FROM THE LAST I PLANNED, RENDERING THOSE PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING. THE FIRST ELEMENT IS THE EXTENSION OF THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT AWAY. UM, THAT PUBLIC SIDEWALK HAS SHOWN BOTH ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ENDS OF THE SITE. PREVIOUSLY IT DID NOT EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE LOTS OF THE EAST, WHICH IS LOT 59. WE ARE NOW SHOWING THE EXTENSION OF THAT PUBLIC SIDEWALK TO THE TERMINUS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE. THE SECOND REVISION IS AN EXTENSION OF A CROSS WALK THROUGH THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL PARKING LOT TO THE WESTERLY, MOST PARKING SPACES. UM I RECALL THIS DISCUSSION, UM, WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE TRAFFIC, THE BOARD TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WE HAD REVISED ESSENTIALLY THE LAYOUT THERE TO SHOW A BREAK IN THE LANDSCAPE ISLAND AND A STRIPED UM, UH, STRIPED, I'LL IF YOU WILL THAT PROVIDES ACCESS THROUGH THAT LANDSCAPED ISLAND TO THE FRONT OF MELVIN SCHOOL BUILDING. THE THIRD ELEMENT THAT WE HAVE REVISED IN. THIS PLAN IS RELATED TO THE SENATOR'S SEWER NETWORK. UM THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING HOW WE WERE GOING TO SHOW THE SENATE SO SENATORS SEWER SERVICE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS BEING EXTENDED TO THE NORTH, UM, ULTIMATELY WILL CONNECT TO TAM WITH DR WHICH IS TO THE NORTH OFF OF THIS PAGE. WE HAD SHOWN A PROPOSED SANITARY SEWER MANHOLE WITHIN THE APPLICANTS PROPERTY LINE. ABOUT 10 FT. INSIDE OF THE APPLICANTS. PROPERTY LINE IS INDICATED ON THE PLAN. THAT'S ON THE V PART RIGHT THERE. THIS IS WHERE WE SHOW THE REVISED LOCATION. WE HAVE SHIFTED IT INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM THAT WAS PURSUING TO RE, UH, REQUEST OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IN THE EVENT THAT THEY MAY WANT TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC SEWER IN THE FUTURE, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO GRANT AN EASEMENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE MALVERN SCHOOL SITE. THOSE WERE THE THREE REVISIONS WE HAD MADE TO THE SITE PLAN, RENDERING THREE SIMPLE REVISIONS AND JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT EXHIBIT. SO THE NEXT EXHIBIT THAT I WILL BE PRESENTING IS THE PROPOSED BUILDING PROFILE EXHIBIT. IT'S ALSO DATED JULY 27TH 2023. WE HAD SUBMITTED THIS ON ALSO ON JULY 14TH 2023 SO MORE THAN 10 DAYS, UM, PRIOR TO THE MEETING. LET'S BE A FIVE. I'M SORRY. SO WHAT? THIS, UH EXHIBIT REPRESENTS IS FIRST OF ALL A CORRECTION OF THE VERTICAL SCALE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHICH THE BOARD MR CHAIRMAN HAD POINTED OUT THAT THE LAST MEETING, SO THE VERTICAL SCALE

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ALLOWABLE HEIGHT. YOU WOULD BE PERMITTED TO, UM, EXCEED THAT BY 6 FT. TO SCREEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IN THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING. UM SO IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE A COMPLIANT. IT WOULD ONLY IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A COMPLIANT APPLICATION. YOU WOULDN'T REQUIRE VARIANCE RELIEF , HOWEVER, THERE IS ANOTHER CLAUSE IN THE BUILDING HIGH DEFINITION, WHICH READS THAT BUILDING HEIGHT IS NOT CALCULATED BY FINISHED GRADE, BUT IT'S CALCULATED BY THE EXISTING GREAT BENEATH THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO THAT'S WHERE THE D VARIANTS COMES BACK INTO PLAY BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING ON THAT EXTRA HEIGHT DIFFERENCE FROM EXISTING TO FINISH GREAT TO THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S 1 FT. I'M SORRY. PLUS 1 FT, PLUS 1 FT. ITS EXISTING GRADE PLUS 1. FT IS WHERE REGISTERS FROM. YES. IT WAS JUST . ABOUT 2.5 FT. YES. SO WITH PRE DEVELOPMENT GRADE PLUS 1 FT ADDED ONTO THE BUILDING HIGH CALCULATION. THE TOTAL BUILDING HEIGHT IS CALCULATED AS 39.40 FT. WHICH THEN AGAIN EXCEEDS THE 10. ALLOWABLE DEVIATION.

OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A C VARIANCE. SO THIS THIS EXHIBIT ESSENTIALLY SHOWS HOW IT CAME TO THAT CALCULATION. UM I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH ELSE TO PRESENT HERE, AND WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, LINE OF SIGHT PROFILES TO PROVIDE, THOUGH, WHICH ARE MY NEXT EXHIBITS. I KNOW MR CHAIRMAN HAD ASKED FOR THAT. OKAY FIRST DOING THE FIRE TRUCK? OH SURE WE CAN. WE CAN ADDRESS THAT FIRST, SO. MY NEXT EXHIBIT IS ENTITLED FIRE TRUCK CIRCULATION EXHIBIT. ALSO DATED JULY 27TH 2023, AND WE HAD SUBMITTED THIS MORE THAN 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. BUT THIS WOULD BE A SIX THANK YOU. SO THIS EXHIBIT IS PREPARED PURSUANT TO A REVIEW COMMENT THAT WAS ISSUED IN THE MAY 9TH REVIEW MEMORANDUM BY BREAK VIEW ENGINEERING. SPECIFICALLY, THATS REVIEW COMMENT NUMBER 10 UM, COMMENT RELATES TO IT INDICATED THAT THE FIRE TRUCK, THE OVERHANG OF THE FIRE TRUCK WAS ENCROACHING ON SOME OF THE PARKING ISLANDS AS IT WAS CIRCULATING THE SITE. SO WITH THIS EXHIBIT, ACCOMPLISHES AND SHOWS IS A REVISED FIRE TRUCKS CIRCULATION PATTERN, WHICH SHOWS THAT THE OVERHANG OF THE TRUCK IS ENTIRELY CONTAINED WITHIN THE VEHICULAR TRAVEL WAYS AND DOES NOT ENCROACH ON ANY OF THE PARKING ISLANDS. THAT THAT IS

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ALSO DATED JULY 27TH 2023 PREPARED BY MY FIRM. SUBMITTED MORE THAN 10 DAYS. PRIOR TO THIS MEETING ON JULY 14TH ON JULY 14TH. SO HE HAD PRESENTED THE BUILDING PROFILE EXHIBIT AT THE LAST MEETING. IT WAS IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE ALSO PROVIDE SOME SIGHTLINE PROFILES FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S TO THE EAST. SO WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THESE FOUR EXHIBITS DEMONSTRATE OUR PROFILE VIEWS FROM THOSE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. UM PROFILE A, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THIS SHEET.

HERE IS A VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE. FACING NORTH TOWARD THE MALVERN SCHOOL. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT THE ROADWAY GRADE OF GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE IS ESSENTIALLY AT GRADE WITH THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL. GIVE OR TAKE A FEW INCHES. UM AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S OTHER LANDSCAPING AND AN INFANT PLAY STRUCTURE IN THE WAY TO BREAK UP THE VIEW OF THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING THERE AS WELL. SO THAT'S SEVEN A. SO HERE'S EXHIBIT SEVEN B. THIS IS A VIEW. SEPARATE VIEWPOINTS. UM ONE VIEW IS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF BRECHT, NO WAY FACING TO THE EAST TOWARD THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL. AND ONE IS A VIEW FROM THE ADJACENT LOT 59 FACING WEST TOWARDS THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL. SO THAT'S THE EXISTING PROPERTY THAT HAS THE VACANT AUTO PARTS SHOP, WHICH I BELIEVE MAY HAVE BEEN RECENTLY DEMOLISHED, BUT.

HOW MANY FEET. HA WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED HEIGHT? IN THE ZONE. 30 FT. SO. A LONG BREAK.

NO WAY. I'LL SPEAK OF THAT VIEWPOINT FIRST, UM THE GRADE OF THE ROADWAY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY RIGHT NEAR THE DRIVEWAY IS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION. SO YOU SO YOU REALLY AREN'T REALIZING THE FULL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AS YOU LOOK INTO THE SITE FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE LOOKING TOWARDS THE MALVERN SCHOOL. FROM THE EASTERN PERSPECTIVE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RETAINING WALL IS RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THAT EVERGREEN SHRUB ROWERS SO THAT RETAINING WALL THAT SITS BEHIND THE MALVIN SCHOOL WILL BE BUFFERED FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. THE VIEW OF THE BUILDING AS YOU TRAVEL FURTHER EAST IN ITS CURRENT STATE, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM ROUTE 206 BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. UM ULTIMATELY, AS YOU KNOW IF THEY EVER COME IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, THAT ROADWAY IS OVER 500 FT FROM THIS PROPERTY, AND PRESUMABLY THERE WOULD BE BUILDINGS DEVELOPED OTHER TREES. OTHER LANDSCAPING ON THOSE PROPERTIES, WHICH WOULD HELP TO BUFFER THE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY FROM FROM THE ROOT 206 RIGHT OF WAY. SEVEN. SEE NOW? YES. SO HERE, SO THIS IS THE FIRST PERSPECTIVE PROFILE VIEW OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. THIS IS A VIEW FROM AGAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF BREAKING OVER. UH, BRACKNELL WAY FACING EAST TOWARDS THE MEDICAL SCHOOL. AND THE VIEW FROM AGAIN THE ADJACENT LOT 59 FACING WEST TOWARD THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. SO AGAIN, SPEAKING FROM THE WESTERN PERSPECTIVE NEAR BRECHNER, RIGHT OF WAY AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT GRADE IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE FINISHED GRADE OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. AND FROM THE EASTERN PERSPECTIVE, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE MALVIN SCHOOL, THE EVERGREEN ROAD THAT WE'RE PROVIDING BEHIND THE RETAINING WALLS WILL EFFECTIVELY BUFFER THE RETAINING WALLS THAT SIT BEHIND THAT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE THAT THE BASIN ITSELF. THAT'S A BIO RETENTION BASIN. IT'S RECESSED DOWN. UM SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE RETAINING WALL THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THAT'S THE HIGH SIDE NEAR THE PROPERTY LINE , THE WALL THAT'S IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING WILL BE BUFFERED BY THE EVERGREEN ROW. 70 70 IS THE LAST ONE HERE. AND THIS IS JUST A PROVIDE A VIEW OF THE RIGHT OF

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QUESTIONS. SO OUR BUILDING IS 39 AND CHANGE ABOVE REDEVELOPMENT GRADE. MR THE BOARD'S ATTORNEY ASKED ME. RECENT CONVERSATION. IS THERE ANY WAY TO DROP THAT DOWN? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE ANSWER IS NO HAS I KNOW IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH BRADY? BUT YOU'LL EXPLAIN BETTER THAN I SURE IT DOES ENTIRELY HAVE TO DO WITH WITH HOW THE SITE IS GRADED, UM THE ORDINANCE DOES HAVE CERTAIN STIPULATIONS FOR MAXIMUM PAVEMENT GRADES THAT YOU'RE COMING DOWN. SAY FROM BRECK MILWEE. YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. WE'RE SLOPING DOWN THAT DRIVEWAY AT THE MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE THAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS DESIGN WAS TO DROP THAT THE ELEVATION OF THAT MALVIN SCHOOL BUILDING AS MUCH AS WAS FEASIBLE AND AS SON OF AN ENGINEERING DESIGN. THAT CAN BE SO THAT IT YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE AN IMPACT OF CARS TRAVELING AROUND THE PARKING LOT. YOU DON'T WANT THE PARKING LOT TO BE SLOPED TOO MUCH, SO WE TOOK ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND DROPPED THE ELEVATION OF THAT BUILDING DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS WHY IT SITS AT 1 39.5. THE DRIVEWAY. THE UPPERMOST PART AT THAT INTERSECTION IS AT ELEVATION 1 47, SO WE DID DROP THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING DOWN. UM YOU KNOW 1 47 SO, YEAH. SO ABOUT 6 FT OR SO I DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT NOT ASKING QUESTIONS TILL WE DON'T AND I ASK ONE QUESTION. HMM DO YOU MIND IF I DO? WOULD YOU MIND IF YOU ASK ONE QUESTION? UM SO WHY IS THE HEIGHT OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING? NOT A PROBLEM, BUT THE HEIGHT OF THE SCHOOL. THE PROBLEM. SO IT HAS TO THAT TIES TO HOW THE EXISTING GRADING IS ON SITE. WHERE THE MEDICAL WORK. SORRY WHERE THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL IS. THAT IS A LOW POINT, REALLY IN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AREA ROUTE. 206 IS EVEN HIGHER IN ELEVATION, THEN THE VERY BACK END OF THIS SITE. THE EXISTING GRADE OF THE MEDICAL SCHOOL IS HIGHER, SO MR MEDICAL BUILDING. HMM UH, SO YOU'RE YOU'RE FINISHED WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.

YOU HAVE ONE MORE. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST HOLD ON UNTIL THE UNTIL THE END VIOLATES TO EVERYONE ELSE. JUMPS IN. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY UH, ONE MORE ITEM. UM. AND IT RELATES TO THE HOTBOX. AN ISSUE RAISED THE LAST HEARING, AND THAT IS UM, EXHIBIT A 20 ON OUR LIST, BUT IT WOULD BE A FOR THESE PURPOSES, AND IT'S TWO SHEETS. DID YOU MEAN? DID YOU MEET THE SAME MEDICAL SCHOOL INSTEAD OF YOU SAID MEDICAL CORRECTED MYSELF. I SAID MEDICAL BUILDING. YEAH I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL HE WAS DONE TO GET THAT. TAKE US THROUGH THOSE, UH TWO EXHIBITS THAT ARE THAT WE'VE MARKED A OR DO YOU WANT TO MR CHAIRMAN? YOU WANT TO MARK AND A AND A B JUST TO BE CONSISTENT. WHICH IS GIVEN TO TELL US WHAT EXACTLY 20 EXAMPLE OF EXISTING HOTBOX WHICH FOR THE BOARD'S PURPOSES, WE'RE MARKING A. IT'S TWO SHEETS, THOUGH, SO I WANTED. I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU WANTED A YOU WANTED EIGHT B. NINE GOOD. GOOD. THERE'S NO MARKINGS ON THESE SO THE EXAMPLE OF EXISTING HOT BOX. THE PICTURE THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S GOING TO BE A EIGHT. AND JUST TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THAT. CAN YOU JUST PUT UP ON THE SCREEN? THE NEXT EXHIBIT? THAT'S RIGHT.

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AND THIS WAS ALSO SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD ON JULY 14TH. SO. JUST TO RECAP FROM THE LAST MEETING.

UM, THE WATER PURVEYOR FOR THE SITE WILL ULTIMATELY PROVIDE WATER SERVICE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IS NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WATER? THEY HAVE A STANDARD THAT IF YOUR BUILDINGS SIT MORE THAN 100 FT FROM THEIR WATER MAIN NETWORK THAT YOU CONNECT TO IN THE ROADWAY. YOU CANNOT HAVE AN UNDERGROUND METER VAULT. IT HAS TO BE IN AN ABOVE GROUND HEATED STRUCTURE.

ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD HOUSE THE METER AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE BACKFLOW PREVENTER AND OTHER EQUIPMENT. SO THAT'S A STANDARD THAT NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WATER HOLES TO ANY APPLICANT. SO WITH THAT THE BUILDING SIT MORE THAN 100 FT. FROM THE CONNECTION OF, UH TO THE PUBLIC WATER, SO WE ARE PROPOSING AN ABOVE GROUND HEATED STRUCTURE, HOTBOX. UM, WE ARE SEEKING VARIANTS RELIEF FOR PROVIDING THAT HOTBOX STRUCTURE 25 FT, UM, AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE, WHEREAS 50 FT IS REQUIRED. THIS IS DICTATED BY THE WATER COMPANY THEY WANTED CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY, SO IT'S EASIER TO ACCESS. UM AND PERFORM THEIR READINGS. THIS SHOWN HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXISTING HOTBOX. THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. IT'S PULLED FROM GOOGLE IMAGES STREET FIELD. YOU KNOW THE ADDRESS? JUST THIS IS THE GODDARD SCHOOL. THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET ON GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN. SIMILAR APPLICATION WITH REGARDS TO THE HOTBOX. IT'S RIGHT IN THE FRONT YARD THERE. SETBACK UM PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE THAT IT'S ELEVATED, UM YOU CAN SEE THE RETAINING WALL IN FRONT OF THE SITE, AND IT'S CLEARLY ELEVATED FROM FROM THE ROADWAY NETWORK. SO THAT'S I KNOW THE BOARD HAD ASKED FOR A SAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE . THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ONE OF THE OPTIONS THERE. THEY DO ALSO HAVE ANOTHER OPTION WHERE THEY COULD DO A FIBER FIBERGLASS SYSTEM WHERE IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE WHITE IN COLOR. UM BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY EXPECT FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ABOUT 6 FT. IN HEIGHT AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHAT'S THIS ONE MADE OUT OF? IT LOOKS LIKE ALUMINUM.

YEAH, THIS IS AN ALUMINUM HOTBOX. ARE WE PROPOSING ANY LANDSCAPING? OR WE PRECLUDED FROM DOING SO EITHER YOU TELL HIM SO WE ARE PROPOSING SOME STREET TREES ALONG THE FRONT. WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY LANDSCAPING RIGHT UP AGAINST IT FOR THAT REASON SO THEY CAN ACCESS IT AND WHATNOT. BUT WE DO SHOW SOME, YOU KNOW SOME SHRUBBERY AND STREET TREES ALONG THE FRONT TO HELP BUFFER THAT VIEW FROM THE ROADWAY NETWORK. THE EXHIBIT. THAT'S UP NOW, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? HEAVEN IS IT'S AND EXHIBIT UP THERE NOW IS A FOUR. I ASSUME , UM, 84 CORRECT. THAT'S THE HOTBOX STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR JEFF. THE FIRST QUESTION. WELL DO WE WANT TO, UM, THE PUBLIC? THAT'S QUESTIONS. UM YEAH, PUBLIC PERSON. AH YOU KNOW THAT ENSURE YOUR COMPLETE WITH YOUR TESTIMONY. UM. IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT, I GUESS, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE TO THE PUBLIC. BUT BUT BUT I'D REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT THIS WE WILL BE HAVE YOU HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE. UM YOUR OPINIONS KNOWN YOUR YOU KNOW YOUR YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT ALL OF THIS. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR QUESTIONS THAT WERE FOR TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN TODAY. OR OR OR AS A PART OF MR HAVENS APPLICATION QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS ON HIS TESTIMONY HE'S GIVEN EITHER LAST TIME OR THIS TIME. SO YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF. GIVE US YOUR NAME. SPELL YOUR LAST NAME. AND WE DOING ADDRESSES NOW OR NOT, IF THEY WANT TO, IF NOT? NO WE'RE NOT DOING IT. WE'RE NOT DOING ADDRESSES. YEAH, WHEN YOU KNOW, OKAY. UM YES. SO WE'VE HISTORICALLY ASKED FOR ADDRESSES , BUT THERE'S A LAW IN NEW JERSEY. UH DANIELS DANIELS LAW, EVERYONE EQUALLY. NO LONGER ASKING FOR ADDRESSES. THANK YOU.

ANDREW DAVIS, D A V. I S I DON'T MIND SAYING THAT I LIVE ON PORTLAND'S DRIVE, WHICH IS WITHIN A HALF MILE FROM THIS SITE. UH QUESTION ON THE ELEVATION TESTIMONY FOR THE

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SO LAY PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND. IS THERE A FIGURE YOU COULD PROVIDE FOR THAT? PUT IT THIS WAY. TRUCK BASICALLY, IT'S EITHER 20 OR 30 CUBIC YARDS, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE FOR, UM , FLUFF. I WOULD SAY 15 IS CONSERVATIVE, PROBABLY PER TRUCK SO YEP. 100 TRUCKS OKAY? AND IS THERE ANY PHIL GOING TO BE PLACED UNDER THIS MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING SITE OR IS THAT GRADE WHERE IT IS NOW? THIS PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL NEED TO BE FILLED, PROBABLY MORE TOWARDS THE BACK END OF IT. IN THE FRONT END. IT'S GREEN. OKAY, SO THERE'LL BE MORE SEE IF IT'S 400 TRUCKS. HOW MANY MORE TRUCKS WOULD YOU SAY FOR THE MEDICAL? THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE SITE? OH, THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE SITE, OKAY? OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST YEAH . IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, JUST COME UP, PLEASE. MY NAME IS EILEEN CRAMER. BEDFORD DR EILEEN KRAMER. KRAMER C R A M E R QUESTION, PLEASE. ON THE DRAINAGE. YOU MENTIONED WHERE IT WAS GONNA BE DRAINING TO SPEAK IN THE MEDIA. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT HEARING YOUR QUESTION. SORRY EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ASKING HIM YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT YOU MENTIONED HE MENTIONED, UM WHERE IT'S DURING. WHERE IS THIS GOING TO DRAIN, TOO, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. AND I DON'T SEE ON THE SCHEMATIC ANY SORT OF STORM DRAINS IN THERE. WHERE WILL THIS WILL GO TO, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF THE FLOODING THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCED HERE? THE QUESTION IS, WHERE IS IT GOING TO DREAM TO THE STORM DRAINS. SURE SO. SORRY THE EXISTING CONDITION RIGHT NOW. RUNOFF DRAINS ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ENTIRELY TOWARDS TOWARDS TO A SEX TOWARDS YES TOWARDS THE ADJACENT OWNER, WHICH IS THE AUTO PARTS SHOP FAVOR, WHICH DIRECTION THE EAST CURRENTLY. TO SAY DREAMS TO THE EAST CORRECT FLOW SHEET FLOW, OKAY. AND THEN WHERE WILL IT GO AFTER DEVELOPMENT IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION. WE ARE COLLECTING STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE PAVEMENT AREAS THE BUILDING AND CONVEYING IT TO A BIO RETENTION BASIN AT THE NORTHEASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. CAN YOU USE A POINTER AND POINT TO IT? IT'S IN THE BACK OVER HERE LOOKS LIKE THE NUMBER SEVEN. IT'S THIS L SHAPED FEATURE AND WILL THAT BIO RETENTION? AREA THAT DRAINS SOMEWHERE ELSE, AS OURS DOES WHERE, WHERE WILL THAT TRAIN TO USING THAT TO GO TO THE AUTO BODY? NO SO THAT WILL ULTIMATELY DRAIN TO THE NORTH. AND TO THE EAST TO AN EXISTING COLLECTION SYSTEM THAT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF CRACKNELL. TOWN HOUSES ARE THE TOWNHOUSES ARE TO THE NORTH THIS WAY THIS IS DRAINING TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TOWARDS EXISTING STORMWATER DRAINS THAT ARE IN THE ROAD THERE. IN THE LIGHT OF ALL THE RECENT RAINS THAT WE'RE HAVING IN HISTORIC FLOODING, ACTUALLY, DO YOU FEEL THAT

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MY NAME IS JOE KALAMA. NERI CAN YOU SEE A L A M O N E R I IF YOU GO TO AN ITALIAN RESTAURANT LOCALLY, I'M ON THE MENU. WHILE WE HAVE SPENT TIME LOOKING OVER THE PLANS AND NOTHING DEROGATORY ABOUT EITHER THE MALVERN OR THE GODDARD SCHOOL. I SPENT 25 30 YEARS OUT OF MY 53 YEAR.

EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION OF SALES SELLING EARLY CHILDHOOD. I HAVE WORKED WITH EARLY CHILDHOOD, OKAY? THIS IS JUST IT. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR, I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. BUT, UM IT SEEMS LIKE THE LINE OF QUESTIONING IS AND IT IS KIND OF AN OPINION. THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT A QUESTION QUESTION FOR YOU. WHY IS THIS NECESSARY? IT'S NOT A QUESTION FOR US QUESTION BASED ON BASED ON THE TESTIMONY OF THIS WITNESS GAVE IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE THAT THERE IS NO NEED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY MIGHT SAY THAT IRRELEVANT OR BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO TESTIFY. THIS IS JUST QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS IS TESTIMONY THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE NECESSITY FOR THIS, BUT BUT BUT THIS YEAR, BUT THIS PORTION OF THE APPLICATION IS THE IS THE ENGINEER. AND SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ENGINEERING RELATED QUESTIONS BASED ON SPECIFIC TESTIMONY THAT THE ENGINEER PROVIDED TO RAISE AND RETHINK MY QUESTION. CLASSROOMS HAVE YOU PLANNED BUT, YEAH, THE PLANNER WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH AND THE ARGUMENT AND THE ARCHITECT ANY ENGINEER. WELL, LET ME NOW. HOLD ON ON YOUR ENGINEERING PLANS. DO YOU SHOW HOW MANY CLASSROOMS ARE IN ANY OF THE BUILDINGS? NO. THE ARCHITECTS PLANS. THEY WILL, YEAH. HOLD MY QUESTION. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THIS WITNESS? NO NO. SO UH, THE WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR BOARD QUESTIONS NOW, MR ABBAS R B. I THINK YOU HAD ONE. SO YOU ARE A RESPONSE TO MR DRILL ABOUT THE QUESTION OF HYPE BEING AN ISSUE WITH THE SECOND BUILDING THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YEAH, IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO MR DRILLS QUESTION REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS BEING AN ISSUE, AND I BELIEVE THE RESPONSE AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW WAS THAT THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL IS A TWO STORY BUILDING.

THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING IS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY, GREAT. THAT WAS THE QUESTION. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A SECOND QUESTION REGARDING THE RETAINING WALLS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN THESE PROFILES. I LOOKED ON THE SITE PLAN AND I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF GUARDRAILS AT THESE RETAINING WALLS. SO. GUARDRAILS ARE TYPICALLY REQUIRED PURSUANT TO, UM HIGHWAY MANUALS THERE THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THESE WERE ADJACENT TO VEHICULAR TRAVELED WAYS. YOU KNOW, PARKING STALLS EXERCISE OILS IN THIS CASE THERE. ISOLATED BEHIND THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, SO GUARDRAILS WOULDN'T SERVE ANY KIND OF PROTECTION FOR LIKE A PEDESTRIAN WALKING AROUND IT. UM, IT'S MORE FOR VEHICULAR.

PROTECTION AND I'M MERELY SPEAKING OF PEDESTRIAN FALLING SO YOU DO HAVE A PLAYGROUND NAMED RETENTION BASIN, AND I DON'T SEE ANY RAILINGS THERE ON THAT WALL TO PREVENT THE FALL OF 12 FT. THERE ARE OFFENSES PROPOSED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PLAYSCHOOL THAT ARE HIGHER THAN THE GUIDE RAILS. SO WE DO PROVIDE FALL PROTECTION FENCING , DEFINITELY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE CHILDREN BACK THERE AT ALL THE RETAINING WALLS BEHIND THE BEHIND THE MOUNTAIN SCHOOL, SPECIFICALLY, WE DO HAVE THE FAULT AROUND THE PLAY AREA. YEAH, YEAH. I'M SORRY AROUND

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AND THEN SPECIFICALLY ON THAT DROP OFF THAT WE WERE JUST ASKING ABOUT ON EXHIBIT A SEVEN C. I BELIEVE THAT THE 12 FT. ALL OFTEN YOUR. THAT'S I BELIEVE THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THERE IS AND YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING OFFENSE THERE. BEFORE THAT, ON THE ELEVATION ON THE BOTTOM OF A SEVEN C. I'M PULLING THAT UP RIGHT NOW. YOU SEE BEHIND THAT BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY STEEP DROP OFF. I AGREE. WE CAN'T AGREE TO ADD FENCING THERE FOR FURTHER FALL PROTECTION. THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO DO DURING FINAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION? IF THERE WERE APPROVED? WE CAN ADD FENCING BACK THERE. TO SEE YOU. I CAN'T HEAR YOU SEE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? C C SEVEN C OR B SEVEN C. OKAY THANK YOU THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION? WE'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT DETAILED. UM AND THAT DESIGN IS THAT YOUR SUGGEST THAT THE BOARD IMPOSED THAT AS A CONDITION IF THEY WERE TO GRANT THE PRELIMINARY SIGHTLINE APPROVAL, YES. THE PUBLIC IS WE'VE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE APPLICATION.

THANK YOU. YEAH WE'VE WE'VE PUBLIC QUESTIONS. SORRY. FOR THIS PORTION OF THE APPLICATION.

NO MORE QUESTIONS. I LEAVE. UM DID THE REVISED CENTER SIDEWALK , UM, WITHIN THE PARKING LOT? DID THAT IMPACT THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT IMPACT THE WHAT? LOOKING SPACES DID NOT OKAY, JUST CHECKING. OKAY? PROFESSIONALS.

COUPLE OF MINUTES. SIGNING. THE ACCESS UM, NO. OH, OKAY. WHAT? WHAT EXHIBIT IS THIS IS A FOUR.

THIS IS EXHIBIT A FOUR. HMM. WORKING OUT. REINFORCED CONCRETE FOR THE MERCY VEHICLES.

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DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNT, DEPENDING NEAR THE BREAK, NO WAYS. SURE SO I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MARK HERMAN REGARDING OUR PROPOSED PLAN FOR THAT, UM, I WAS PLANNING TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ONCE AND IF WE WERE GRANTED PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'S THEY'RE PLANNING TO TOP CORSET PRETTY SOON, AND IF THERE WERE UTILITIES INSTALLED, THERE'S CERTAIN METHODS THAT YOU CAN DO TO SAY YOU WERE PUTTING A NEW TRENCH IN THE ROADWAY. YOU CAN MILL OUT THE WHOLE THING AND REPAVE IT, SO I THINK THERE'S PROVISIONS AND THAT WE CAN WORK OUT WITH WITH, UM YOU KNOW THE TANTRUM ENGINEER IF BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT BREAK NO WAY WILL BE PAVED AS EARLY AS NEXT MONTH . TALKING ABOUT THERE'S A FIVE YEAR UM, RULE THAT ONCE YOU HAVE NEW PAVEMENT, IT CAN'T BE DUG UP AFTER FIGHTING BEFORE THE END OF FIVE YEARS. NO LONGER AVAILABLE. UM. MHM. THEY CAN'T ACCEPT THE. TO UNDERSTAND. HOW FAR DOWN 10 WITH THE, UM SO IT'S ROUGHLY IF I LOOK AT MY SCALE HERE FROM MY PRIOR CALCULATIONS, IT'S ROUGHLY I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO GUESS RIGHT HERE OUT. CORRECT. YES THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEVER SUGGESTED CONDITIONAL. CAN YOU CLARIFY. FOR IN OTHER WORDS. BASICALLY. THE OUTCOME WILL WORK OUT WITH POTENTIAL IN HERE. DESIGN AND ATTITUDE, SEWER. SHOULD BE OTHER. WAS THE BUILDING HER AWAY. DISTURBANCE IN THE ROAD INSTALLATIONS OR THE ROAD. GOT IT. UNDERSTANDS THAT THE SEWER I'M SORRY, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S THE SEWER THAT COMES THAT'S THE DRAINAGE OF THE BIO ATTENTION TO THE NORTHEAST. IS THAT SANITARY CENTER? THANK YOU. NO. TAKING OUR. GREAT. UM. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN, ONE UPDATED. FIRE TRUCK TURNING IN THIS MEETING MY COMMENTS AND NATURAL AND THEN. 19 FELL AWAY ANY CROSSWALKS OR SIDEWALKS. INDUSTRIES ACROSS PREK. NO WAY. SO AT THIS TIME, MISS THIS PIPELINE RENDERING DOES NOT SHOW THAT CROSSWALK. SO ESSENTIALLY, WOULD BE. IT IS EXTENSION OF THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG GEORGETOWN FRANKLIN TURNPIKE GOING WEST ON IT. SURE. UM TRAVELING WEST ACROSS THE INTERSECTION TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION. WE DID RECEIVE A REVIEW MEMORANDUM FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT WE PROVIDE THAT CROSSWALK ACROSS THE INTERSECTION SO WE WOULD PLAN TO ADDRESS THEIR REVIEW COMMENTS AND WE WOULD NEED TO PROCURE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL AS A CONDITION UM AS WELL. I ASSUME THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS IF THE BOARD WERE TO APPROVE THIS CONDITION, SAYING ADD A CROSSWALK AT THE INTERSECTION OF GEORGETOWN, FRANKLIN TURNPIKE AND BRICK LOU AWAY. YEP. HIS CHAIRMAN. THAT'S . NOT AN ISSUE AS LONG AS THAT'S

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THANKS, MR FISHING, ER. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. NEW JERSEY AMERICAN WATER. FRICTION ON SCREENING THE HOTBOX. THE INVOLVED OFFER SIGNS OF JUST ONE ACCESS POINT. UM AND WHERE IS THE ACCESS POINT? THANK YOU. THE ACCESS POINT WOULD BE ON THE LONGER SIDE, MOST LIKELY ON ON THE SIDE THAT FACES WERE EAST. PLACES. MM HMM. IF IT WORKS IS THE ROAD OR THE SIDE THAT FACES THE BUILDING. HMM OKAY. AT THE BORDER OF BLACKNESS. WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH PUTTING SOME TO THE RECENTLY TO THE SOUTH. THAT ARE SCREAMING. SOMETHING KIND OF IN FRONT OF IT. YOU KNOW SOMETHING ? THAT'S A THAT'S OKAY WITH THE TOWNSHIP LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ABOUT WITHOUT BREAKING ADVANCES TO IT. SURE WE CAN CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT WILL WORK WITH MR BART ALONE ON THE PROPER PLANTING SPECIFICATION FOR THAT. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ABOUT SO THAT HE DIDN'T STAND ASIDE.

POSSIBLY SO. HERE EXTENDS GEORGETOWN. TAKEN YEAH. SO THE PARKING AREAS TOO. PLAN LEFT.

LAST YEAR. I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS IN TERMS. PERCENTAGE OF GOVERNMENT MINISTRY LANDSCAPE , BUT IT WAS THAT GAME PLAYED OUT. DISABILITY, FAMILY STATUS ACCESS. TO GET TO THE SURE SO.

BOOK. THE NUMBERS, SO ESSENTIALLY, HE'S ASKING TO EXTEND THIS SIDEWALK HERE THAT'S ALONG THE SOUTHERNMOST PARKING SPACES FOR THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL. EXTENDING THAT SIDEWALK AROUND ON THIS. IT'S THE NORTHERN. FOR GOING TO THE SAME WELCOME WALK AROUND. LEAVING 45% REQUIREMENT FOR LANDSCAPING FOR ME IS I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION AROUND. GAME, PLAN IT OUT AND SPEAK TO IT. I KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME SOME ALLOWANCE IN THE COVERAGE LIMITATIONS SO WE MOST LIKELY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SIDEWALK. I WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO IT IN DETAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING, UM, EITHER OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'D YOU'D MENTIONED. UM BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER 5% OR SELF IMPERVIOUS TO WORK WITH STAYING WITH THE BUFFER. AND I'M NOT. I'M NOT SURE IF THE BOARD WOULD WOULD WANT TO. I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT YOU KNOW IT DID A BALANCE IN TRADE OFF WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. WE DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO GO UP TO THE MAXIMUM.

PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS IS, UH, IS A PERFECT COVERAGE STORMWATER, SURE, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE TO THE SUGGESTION, BUT YOU SHOULD STRAW POLL TO SEE IF THE BOY LIKES IT. SO LIKE, I GUESS FOR A SHOW OF HANDS WHO WOULD WANT TO IMPOSE THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK? WANT TO ASK BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY WOULD DO IT? WHO WOULD WANT TO ASK FOR IT? RIGHT? NOBODY. OKAY? VERY GOOD QUESTION. VERY GOOD. GLAD YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SAFETY, SO THE BOARD IS NOT IN THE BOARD APPRECIATES THE SUGGESTION BY ITS PLANNING EXPERT, BUT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED. MR CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR PROFESSIONALS. YES, VERY QUICK QUESTION. UM WHAT IN PARTICULAR INSTIGATED OUR ATTENTION TO THIS HOT BOX AND NOT NECESSARILY TO A PSE AND G TRANSFORMER BOX OR AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR IN THE SAME WAY? THE FACT THAT IT WAS IN THE SETBACK. AND THE TRANSFORMER PROBABLY WOULD BE AS WELL. IF IT

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THEY'RE SHOWING THE HOT BOX AND THE SETBACK AS A UTILITY, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE. IT'S YES BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE YOU DON'T THINK A TRANSFORMER IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE AN ABOVE GROUND TRANSFORMER IN THE FRONT YARD LIKE THE HOT, BUT IF THE ELECTRIC UTILITY WANTED TO HAVE AN ABOVE GROUND TRANSFORMER IN THE FRONT YARD, LIKE THE WATER UTILITY WANTS TO HOTBOX, WOULDN'T THEY ALSO NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WAS OKAY ? YEAH YOU ANSWERED IT HAVING IT COME BACK FOR A QUICK AMENDMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND SOMETIMES CNG WILL AGREE. IN COMPLY PUT THEIR SOMETIMES YEAH.

THEY'RE MORE AMENABLE THAN THE WATER COMPANY BECAUSE THE TEMPERATURE THING IS NOT AS IMPORTANT THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, AND IT'S CRITICAL TO THE WATER COMPANY. OKAY? OUR PROFESSIONALS HAVE ANY OTHER FORM OF OKAY. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES YOUR TESTIMONY FOR THIS. AND ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, UM. OUR NEXT WITNESSES. BILL FEINBERG, OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT.

NOT JUST. A FEW QUESTIONS FOR HELP MEET SOME OF THE OLD EXHIBITS. MR FEINBERG. QUALIFIED BECAUSE HE HASN'T TESTIFIED. WE SWORN IN, BUT HE HASN'T UMAR YOU EMPLOYED IN WHAT CAPACITY EMPLOYED BY FEINBERG AND ASSOCIATES OF THE PRESIDENT OF FEINBERG ASSOCIATES, WERE LOCATED AT 10. 10 HADN'T FEEL BERLIN ROAD AND FOR HIS NEW JERSEY AND WHAT'S YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND IN ARCHITECTURE? WHAT LICENSES DO YOU RECEIVED? MY BACHELOR OF ARCHITECTURE IN 1980. NINE FROM DREXEL UNIVERSITY. I'M LICENSED IN NEW JERSEY SINCE 1993 AND 14 OTHER STATES ON THE EAST COAST. HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD I HAVE AND IN THE PLANNING BOARD TAPESTRY OF MONTGOMERY HILLSIDE OF MONTGOMERY, HILLSIDE OF MONTGOMERY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE MONTGOMERY CROSSING, MULTI FAMILY PRODUCT PLANNING WOULD HAVE YOU APPEARED ADJUSTMENT WE MAY HAVE BACK IN THE TAPESTRY, WHICH WAS MANY YEARS AGO. THE ORIGINAL AND YOU ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY AND YOU WERE ACCEPTED AS QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT IN ARKANSAS. YES, I WAS. UH UM. MR CHAIRMAN, WE'RE OFFERING. MR FEINBERG IS AN EXPERT IN ARCHITECTURE. BY THE WAY, YOUR NEW JERSEY LICENSE IS STILL IN. YES QUESTIONS FOR THIS ROUTINE TO HIS QUALIFICATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIS QUALIFICATIONS? NO NO, EXCEPT HIM. YES I ACCEPT. TELL MY WIFE SAID IT WAS OPEN. APPRECIATE STILL GOOD. NOW, UM. SOME OF THE PLANS WERE PREPARED BY, UM AN ARCHITECT WHO DOES WORK FOR NOW , VERN SCHOOL. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THOSE PLANS AND. YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT ARCHITECT AND YOUR ABILITY TO UH, REPRESENT HIM HERE TONIGHT AND PREVENT THOSE THOSE PLANS ARE SIGNED AND SEALED BY THE OTHER ARCHITECT, RIGHT? RIGHT SO THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW SAYS THAT THE TECHNICAL RULES OF EVIDENCE DON'T APPLY. IN FACT. UM THIS EVEN BEFORE MY TIME, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS SO THAT A PROFESSIONAL IF THEY SIGNED AND SEALED SET OF PLANS THAT COULD BE ADMITTED. WITHOUT HAVING THE PERSON WHO PREPARED THEM HERE AS AND BUT YOU NEED SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM. SO YOU HAVE TO DO IS ESTABLISHED THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED THEM AND THAT YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM. THEN YOU CAN TESTIFY ABOUT CORRECT. SO UM , THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL HAS AN ARCHITECT RAY COLOMBIA'S LOCATED IN PEARSE, ARIZONA. HE DOES ALL OF THEIR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. HE'S A LICENSED ARCHITECT IN NEW JERSEY. AND HE DOES ALL THE PERMITTING AS PROJECTS ARE APPROVED AND MOVE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. PERMITTING UM, RAY AND I AND THE APPLICANT AND OUR PROFESSIONALS. WE'VE

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AND BY THE WAY, YOU PREPARED THE PLANS FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. CORRECT THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE IN SUPERVISED THAT IN MY OFFICE. SO THE FLOOR IS YOURS. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS THE REVISED ELEVATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON JULY 14TH, WHICH IS IT? IN OUR OUR, UM OUR APPLICATION WAS EXHIBIT A 17, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR THIS EVENING'S APPLICATION TONIGHT.

IT WOULD BE A 10. OKAY AND THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY GO AHEAD. THE EXHIBIT UP ON THE SCREEN, I ASSUME IS SHE A 2.1 CORRECT IT LOOKING FOR A DATE ON IT. HE THE DATE FOR THE REVISION IS NOT ON THERE. MR. CLUM DID NOT SHOW THAT THE ORIGINAL DATE WAS 12 9 22, BUT THIS IS REVISED BASED ON COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD IN THE LAST MEETING. BILL. PLAN. THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED THE LAST HEARING ABOUT A 17 OR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS CORRECT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OLD PLAN, AND THEN THE NEW PLAN OR HOW I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW ELEVATION AND DESCRIBED THE CHANGES, WHICH IS THIS PLANET'S UP ON THE ON THE BOARD, WHICH WE ARE MARKING AS EXHIBIT A 10 EXACT CORRECT, CORRECT, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE A DATE ON IT. IT DOESN'T IT HAS THE ORIGINAL DATE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. I DON'T SEE IT. YEAH IT'S ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS FLOOR PLANS. CAN SOMEONE CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THIS PICK THIS SHOW ME WHERE THE DATE IS. IS THAT THE RIGHT PLAN? I HAVE. COMMITTED TWICE FIRST FOR OUR PREVIOUS HOLD UP, HOLD UP. WHAT I HAVE IN MY HANDS. THE PLAN SETS THAT YOU GUYS SUBMITTED ON JULY 14TH. THAT'S CORRECT. SO JUST DO ME A FAVOR. CAN YOU TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO SHOW HIM THESE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A DATE AND WHATEVER DATE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. CAN YOU JUST PUT IT ON THERE? BECAUSE ROLL OFF THAT SPRING FROM MEMORY. I GOT THEM RIGHT HERE. TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RESIST FOR CLARIFICATION TO DATA.

THAT'S THE DATE OF THIS. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS DATED. UM DECEMBER 9TH 2022 AND THIS. AND ON MY LIST THAT WHAT I GAVE YOU, MR CHURCHILL. IT WAS EXHIBIT A FOUR A 17 IS A REVISION OF A

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WE'RE GOING OFF OUR LIST. WE STARTED TONIGHT IN AN EXHIBIT A FOUR EXHIBIT BEFORE THIS GUY STARTED TESTIFYING WAS A NINE. THIS IS A 10. ARCHITECTURAL SHEET, A 2.1 WHICH DOESN'T HAVE A DATE ON IT, BUT WE'RE PUTTING THE DATE JULY 14 2023 CORRECT NEXT, RIGHT? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THE NEXT SHEET. ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING 2.2, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE A DATE ON IT. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT A 11 AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT 7 14 23 AS THE DATE CORRECT. JULY YES. JULY 14TH CORRECT 18 AND A 11 ARE GOING TO BE UP ON THE SCREEN EFFECT EIGHT. A 11 IS UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. CORRECT THAT'S YES, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE TESTIFYING ABOUT TONIGHT.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OK ARE THEY THE SAME AS WELL? THAT'S MY QUESTION. CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE THE SAME? BECAUSE WHAT THESE ARE SMALL FRIENDS? WE DON'T KNOW IF IT LOOKED AT WHAT THE MISSING DATA ON YOUR EXHIBIT. IT'S ALSO ON THE SCREEN . WE LOOKED AT IT HERE. I HAVE A BETWEEN THE DAY BEFORE THE JULY 14TH FROM MR CLUM, AND HE HAD A DATE WHICH WAS THE OLD DATE, SO HE MUST HAVE TAKEN IT OFF THAT NEXT DAY WHEN IT GOT SUBMITTED BY OUR ENGINEER. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. ALRIGHT OKAY, SO HERE WE GO. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. SO UM, WHAT HAS CHANGED AND I KNOW WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT. BUT I JUST WANT TO, UH , DISCUSS THE FACT THAT WHEN WE WERE HERE AT THE LAST MEETING YOU'VE HEARD ALSO FROM AN ENGINEER TONIGHT, WE ASKED MR CLUM THE CHANGE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF AND LOWERED SO IN ARCHITECTS SPEAK. IT'S 2 FT. FIVE INCHES. I THINK IT'S 2.4 SOMETHING IN ENGINEER SPEAK. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAVE MR CLUM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER PICTURE AND THAT EXHIBIT THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, WHICH IS 8 10 8 10. OKAY THAT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION AS YOU WALK UP TO THE BUILDING. SO THE ROOF HAS A PITCH. UM FROM THE SIDE TO SIDE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT ELEVATION OF EIGHT ON 12 8 ON 12 REPRESENTS THAT FOR EVERY 12 INCHES HORIZONTALLY. YOU GO UP EIGHT. YOU DRAW A DIAGONAL, AND THAT GIVES YOU THE PITCH OF THE ROOF. YOU ON THE OLD DAYS YOU DREW IT BY HAND TODAY TO USE A COMPUTER. AND THEY CAN GET THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. WITH THAT THERE ARE THREE THE FIRST TWO ON THE LOWER EXHIBIT. THIS EXHIBIT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN ARE THE SIDE ELEVATION. SO WHAT WE ASKED MR CLUM TO DO WAS PREVIOUSLY HAD A SIX ON 12 PITCH, AND THIS WOULD BE FRONT TO REAR SO WE ASKED THEM TO LOWER IT TO FIVE. SO FOR EVERY INCH THAT HORIZONTALLY IT DROPPED AN INCH VERTICALLY, SO THAT GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DROP THIS 2029 INCHES IN TOTAL TO THE RIDGE OF THE ROOF. SO THAT WAS COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM THE BOARD COMMENTS THAT WERE COMING BACK. FROM FROM THE AUDIENCE, AND WE DECIDED THAT IT WAS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO LOWER THE RICHER THE ROOF.

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I'LL GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. I KNOW JEFF WENT THROUGH THAT EARLIER THIS EVENING, SO I DESCRIBED THE ROOF PITCH CHANGES SO ABOVE THE DEVELOPMENT GRADES SO AFTER THIS IS CONSTRUCTED TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF IS 34 FT NINE INCHES. OKAY UM, PREVIOUSLY BEFORE WE LOWERED THE ROOF WAS 37 FT TWO INCHES THAT THAT'S THE 2 FT FIVE. EXCUSE ME. THE PRE DEVELOPMENT GRADE, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD DISCUSSIONS THIS EVENING, WHICH IS 1, FT. OF, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHEST GRADE 1 FT, UM, ABOVE, UH, USED TO BE, UM 41 FT NINE AND THREE QUARTER INCHES. IT'S NOW 39 4 AND THREE QUARTERS. THAT'S RIGHT. SO I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS EARLIER THIS EVENING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND HOW WE DETERMINE THAT. THAT'S WHY I WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF EXPLAINING HOW WE CHANGE THE ROOF PITCH. UM, WE CAN GO. FOR THE NEXT EXHIBIT, WHICH IS 11 JUST TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR AHEAD. WERE. OVER 82.1, WHICH IS EXHIBITED 10. SAYS THAT THE

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THE PLAN, WHICH SAYS 34.75 INCHES, THE ACTUAL BUT THE WAY IT'S CALCULATED FOR HIGH PURPOSES. IT'S 39.4. FT. IS THAT CORRECT? FROM THE PRE PRE CONSTRUCTION GRADE. YES YES, THAT'S WHAT I TESTIFY, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR TO ME. UM LET'S SCROLL TO 11. SO THESE ARE BUILDING SECTIONS. WHICH ARE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS, BUT BASICALLY DESCRIBE AH, THIS IS AS IF YOU TOOK A KNIFE AND CUT THROUGH THE BUILDING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT AND THE BOTTOM ONES FROM FRONT TO REAR. SO YOU CAN SEE UP IN THE ATTIC IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF NOTES UP THERE, AND THOSE VERTICAL LINES WHICH REPRESENT THE ROOF TRUSSES STOP. THAT'S WHERE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT PLATFORMS ARE LOCATED . ACCESS POINTS TO THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN BOTH OF THOSE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS WE ALSO MISTER KLAMM IS ALSO LOWERED THE PITCH. SO THAT IT REPRESENTS THE HEIGHT JUST AS IT AS I DESCRIBED THIS EVENING. UM SO THAT GOES THROUGH. THE TWO ELEVATIONS. THE FOUR ELEVATIONS. AND THAT DESCRIBES THE BUILDING SECTIONS.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLANS. WHICH WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT THAT WE SUBMIT 1.1. EXHIBIT A FOR IN OUR LIST. OKAY PACKET. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN, SO IT'S NOT IN THE BACK OF TONIGHT. THIS ISN'T RIGHT BECAUSE YOUR ORIGINAL PACK SO I THINK TO KEEP THINGS LISTEN. LET'S NOT MARK THIS AS AN EXHIBIT BECAUSE IT'S THE ORIGINAL FILE PLAN UNLESS YOU WANT TO MARKET AS AN EXHIBIT, BUT IT'S GONNA CONFUSE PEOPLE, BUT IT'S NOT IN THIS 11 BY CONFUSED PEOPLE. HMM I USUALLY DO. MUCH OF MY WIFE TELLS ME UM . IS THAT THE ONLY EXHIBIT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE 1ST AND 2ND FLOOR FLOOR PLANS? THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK WE HAVE TO MARKET OKAY? GIVE ME SOMETHING TO MARK. AH SO THAT'S SHEET A 1.1. COMMUNITIES OF PAPER. YOU WANT A PIECE OF PAPER WILL GIVE YOU A PIECE OF PAPER. YEAH. THESE ARE THE OLD PLANTS, A 11 OKAY? WHAT ARE WE MARKING THIS 11? 8 12. WE'RE GOING TO MARKET A 12, BUT I DON'T SEE. NO WE DON'T HAVE IT. I MEAN, WE HAVE A BIG SET OF PLANS. YOU HAVE A SMALL ONE. IF WE HAVE OKAY, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. TELL ME IS MADE 23 AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS FINE. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. I KNOW IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, BUT 20 I UNDERSTAND 23RD. WE DO NOT HAVE PEOPLE. LET'S SEE. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. MAYBE WE DO HAVE WHAT'S THAT SHEET? THERE IT IS THAT THIS. OKAY CAN YOU ARCHITECT COME UP HERE? LET THE ARCHITECT COME UP. CAN YOU IDENTIFY THIS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS WAS IN OUR PACKET FROM JUNE 0.4. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO. ORIGINAL PACKET. WE MARKED A ONE A TWO AND A THREE FROM THIS PACKET ON JUNE 22ND CORRECT AFTER THE SHEET THAT WE MARKED A THREE WE'RE NOW GOING TO MARK A 12. THANK YOU WERE MARKING. IT WAS TODAY'S DATE, BUT THE SHEET ITSELF IS ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING A 1.1. THIS IS YOUR. WHAT FIRST SINCE SECOND FLOOR RIGHT HERE. OF 9 22 REVISION DIGGING DEEP IT'S ON THEIR 12 9 22. YEAH THERE'S TWO REVISION DATE WAS THE LAST

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ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GO WITH DECEMBER 9 2022. THIS ONE HAPPENED EXACTLY DATED DECEMBER 9 2022. YES THAT'S THE LATEST DATE ON THAT DRAWING. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU SPIN IT AROUND.

OKAY. SO FOR EASE OF UM, DESCRIBING THE FLOOR PLAN. I HAD OUR ENGINEER ROTATED ON THE SCREEN. SO THAT, UM YOU KNOW WHERE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS SO THE EXHIBIT, WHICH IS A ON A 1.1 1ST FLOOR PLAN. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO I'M SPEAKING TO A ON A 1.1. I'VE ROTATED IT. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR DRAWING, SO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS THE ENTRANCE VESTIBULE. AH THAT'S A SECURITY, UM, LOCKED AREA THAT PARENTSBE, UM, ALLOWED TO COME INTO THE BUILDING. UM AND THEN TO THE RIGHT JUST ABOVE IF YOU MOVE THE POINTER STRAIGHT UP. THAT'S THE OFFICE, THE ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT. THAT'S THE INFANT ROOM. AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS THE CRIB ROOM, SO THIS FLOOR IS DEDICATED AS A DAYCARE. AND I'LL DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN I GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR. GO BACK TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND THE BEGINNING, SO WHEN YOU COME IN, THERE'S AN OPEN AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S REALLY, UM I GOTTA GET THE NAME THAT WE'RE USING FOR THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY, IT'S INDOOR PLAY AREA. UM. FASCINATION STATION. THERE WE GO, SO BASICALLY IT HAS THE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE DAYCARE.

IT ALSO HAS A PLAY AREA FOR INDOOR PLAY, AND THEN BEHIND THAT THERE'S A WALL AND THERE'S SOME, UH, THERE'S GAMES AND THINGS FOR THE TODDLERS BECAUSE THIS ALSO HAS TODDLERS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS EXHIBIT. UM THE FIRST ROOM THAT YOU COME TO IS WHAT THEY CALL FIRST STEPS.

FIRST STEPS ARE INFANTS THAT ARE TRANSITIONING TO THE TODDLER ROOM, BUT MAY NOT BE MATURE ENOUGH YET TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION SO JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE ENTRANCE IS THAT FIRST STEP TWO ROOMS AND THEN THEY HAVE YOUNG TODDLERS, WHICH IS NEXT TO THAT ROOM. AH AND THEN IF YOU MOVE THAT POINTER UP, THERE'S BATHROOMS, KITCHENETTE AND THEN ABOVE THAT, OR THE OLDER TODDLERS. SO AGAIN, THIS FLOOR IS DEDICATED TO BASICALLY DAYCARE. SO NOW LET'S SCROLL DOWN, JUST TALKED ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR. SO THE SECOND FLOOR SO. REALLY OUR CLASSROOM SPACE. SO THIS IS DEDICATED TO PRESCHOOL AND PRE K. SO UM, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE SECOND FLOOR IF YOU COME UP THE STEPS AGAIN FROM THE BOTTOM. UM HMM. THE PRE SCHOOL PRE K ROOM IS RIGHT THERE . THAT'S PRE K, UH, ROOM ONE. AND THEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT THERE'S A BATHROOM THAT CONNECTS AND THEN THAT'S PRE K ROOM, TOO. AGAIN THERE'S ANOTHER PLAY AREA , WHICH IS CALLED THE DISCOVERY ROOM, WHICH IS IN BETWEEN SETS USED FOR INDOOR PLAY ANOTHER ACTIVITIES. THESE ARE NOW TODDLERS. AND THEN TO THE BACK. WE HAVE PRESCHOOL TO AND WE ALL THAT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE. AND WE HAVE GETS SET. SO SOMETIMES THEY'RE TODDLERS ARE A LITTLE MORE LITTLE LIMIT. SURE SO BEFORE THEY GO INTO A TODDLER 12 ROOM THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THAT TO THE RIGHT IS WHERE THE GETS SET ROOM IS CALLED. SO THAT'S THE DESCRIPTION OF THE FLOOR PLANS. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SECTIONS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO DO NOW IS MOVE ON TO THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE PRODUCED BY MY OFFICE, WHICH IS THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. EXHIBIT A NINE ON OUR LIST. BUT THAT WAS COME FROM THE PRIOR PACKAGE. CORRECT. BUT THIS FIND IT. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? BEFORE WE GOT CORRECT, I GOT IT

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THIS IS MELBOURNE SCHOOL, THE SAME PACKET. THAT WE HAVE EXHIBITED 12 JUST FURTHER BACK.

IN THAT PACKAGE. THE FIRST PACKAGE ENDED AT EXHIBIT A 12 THANK YOU. SAY IT AGAIN. THE FIRST PACKET YOU RECEIVED. THE LAST MEETING WENT TO EXHIBIT A 12 ENDED AT EXHIBIT A 12 SO GAVE YOU THE 1ST 12 EXHIBITS. LISTEN. PACKAGE YOU HANDED OUT LAST TIME WE JUST MARKED ONE OF THE SHEETS AS EXHIBIT A 12. I'M SAYING THAT IN THAT SAME PACKET, I BELIEVE WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN? ISN'T THAT SAME PACKET? SO WE'RE GOING TO THE NEXT EXHIBIT IS GOING TO BE A 13 14 18 IF YOU WANT TO FIND IT IN THE PAPER. I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN. I HAVE IT IN PAPER. THESE ARE NOT MARKED WITH YOU'RE A NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR LITTLE CHEAT SHEET, OKAY? AND I MISSPOKE. I'M NOT GOING TO THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. YET. THERE ARE TWO EXHIBITS THAT ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FROM YOUR BOARD PROFESSIONALS. SO THERE SHOULD BE A SHEET THAT'S LABELED A 2.3 . THAT WAS GENERATED BY MY OFFICE. YES, OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT A 13 13. THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION. IT'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF ONE OF THE TYPICAL MALVERN SCHOOLS, UH, REPRESENTS THE STYLE AND THE COLORS FOR THE STONE AS YOU CAN SEE THE WATER TABLE THAT RUNS ACROSS THE ENTIRE BASE. YOU CAN SEE THEY ALSO RUN STONE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND UP TO THE ROOF. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. THAT IS A CEMENT STUCCO. THIS IS NOT SYNTHETIC.

IT'S NOT EMPHASIZE. THIS IS A NATURAL MATERIAL. I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERNS, AND THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT WILL PROBABLY COME FROM YOUR BOARD PROFESSIONALS IN SOME OF THE REVIEW LETTERS ABOUT THE USE OF STUCCO, BUT AGAIN, THE REPRESENTATION HERE IS THIS IS ALL THEIR BUILDINGS LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME. THIS THING SAYS COLOR PHOTO. IS THIS A PHOTO OF AN ACTUAL MALVERN SCHOOL? OR IS THIS A SIMULATION? NO THIS IS ACTUAL. OKAY, SO WHERE IS THIS ONE? THIS ONE. ROBINSON HI. THIS IS NOT ROBBINSVILLE. UM I'M TRYING. TO YEAH, AS AN AS AN EXPERT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RELY ON YOU CAN TELL HIM HE'S ALLOWED TO RELY ON HEARSAY TO ANSWER A QUESTION BECAUSE HE'S AN EXPERT, WHEREAS A LAY PERSON COULDN'T YES. SO THIS IS CHESTER COUNTY WEST TOWN. MHM, PENNSYLVANIA, OKAY. TESTIMONY ROBBINSVILLE LOOKED IDENTICAL. I THINK, YES.

THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME. SO YOU HAVE THAT WAS THAT'S THE REASON FOR, UM, HAVING THE STUCCO FINISH ON THE BUILDING. ALL THE STUFF. SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAY STRUCTURES AND SHADE STRUCTURES IN THE FENCING SO YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT ON THAT PHOTOGRAPH. I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS ASKED ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE FENCING. IT WILL BE WHITE FENCING. AND BEHIND THAT YOU CAN SEE A SNEAK PEEK OF THE SHADE COVER THAT'S OVER THE PLAY EQUIPMENT. ON BOTH SIDES AND BEHIND. THERE'S THREE PREP PLAY STRUCTURES, WHICH I'M GOING TO SHOW IN THE NEXT EXHIBIT. OKAY? LET'S GO TO THE NEXT. EXHIBIT IS YOU'RE DRAWING A 0.3, WHICH IS ONE OF THE 14 CORRECT CORRECT. 14. GREAT. WAS TAKING ME AN HOUR. AND ARE THESE CUT SHEETS ARE THESE OUT OF THE CATALOG OR YES, THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT THEY USED ON ALL OF THE MELBOURNE SCHOOLS . THE EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE INSTALLED AND CERTIFIED BY NEW JERSEY, NEW JERSEY BY THE STATE AND WILL BE INSPECTED. IT ALSO HAS TO BE CERTIFIED BY A THIRD PARTY PARTY CERTIFICATION TO MAKE SURE IT'S INSTALLED PROPERLY. PER STATE REGULATIONS , SO THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLAY STRUCTURES. THE ONE IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER IS AN INFANT PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE. AND THAT'S REPRESENTED ON THE SITE PLANS THAT MR HEBER PRESENTED AT THE LAST HEARING. THE ONE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNERS, THE

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RIGHT NOW. THE SURFACING MATERIAL SURFACING MATERIAL GOES ON TOP. THE SLAB IS WHAT IT'S ATTACHED TO, SO IT DOESN'T MOVE. WHEN THE GROUND FREEZES AND OKAY , AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE, SO THE MATERIALS THAT ARE USED AS A SURFACING WHEELCHAIR KING GETS STUCK IN IT. SO THAT'S ALSO REQUIREMENT NOT ONLY FOR PLAY STRUCTURES BUT FOR ANY STRUCTURE OR PLAY AREA THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR TODDLERS OR YOUNG ADULTS. BILL GIVE ME A SECOND. JUST TO BE CLEAR. THE STATE STANDARD IS PART OF THE UNIFORM CONSTRUCTION CODE. ITS CHAPTER 11 PLAYGROUND SAFETY SUB CODE, AND IT DEALS WITH THE EQUIPMENT DESIGN DISTANCE FROM BUILDINGS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. THAT'S THE SO IT'S N J S A FIVE. COLIN 23-11 0.1 AT SIX P IN MY BRIEFCASE, NJ A N J. A C OKAY. GOT IT. AND YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO NOW THAT CONCLUDES WHAT I HAVE IN TERMS OF EXHIBITS FROM MR KLUMP AND FROM MY OFFICE REGARDING THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL.

SO LET'S MOVE ON NOW TO THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING. A. ONE WHICH THE MARK TONIGHT A 15. THE OFFICE BUILDING FLOOR PLAN DATED MAY 32,023. THAT'S CORRECT. MR CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE'RE UP TO A 15. MY OFFICE HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR A NUMBER OF MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS. WE JUST COMPLETED A 9000 SQUARE FOOT. MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, AND ROBBINSVILLE WAS 10 TO FIT OUT IN A RETAIL SPACE FOR UROLOGY AND CARDIOLOGY FOR PENN MEDICINE. SO WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THESE, UH, TYPES OF OFFICE PUT OUTS. SO THIS ONE IS 4000 SQUARE FEET. WE DO NOT HAVE A TENANT. SO THIS IS PROPOSED FROM , YOU KNOW, I WAS ASKED BY THE APPLICANT IF I HAD THIS BUILDING OF X Y SHAPE WHAT WOULD FIT IN THERE? AND WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR? YOU KNOW IF I WAS HE'S GOING TO LEASE IT. WHO A MEDICAL OFFICE PRACTICE. SO UM , IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER IS THE ENTRANCE VESTIBULE. AH, WE'RE SHOWING TO WAITING AREAS. SO TODAY THE CHANGE SINCE POST COVID, UM, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL DISTANCING WITHIN MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS. UH YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN, IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO WERE 10 15. PEOPLE WERE ALL SITTING IN THE SAME ROOM. THEY STAGGER PATIENTS COMING IN AND GIVE PATIENTS THE ABILITY TO, UH, DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER BECAUSE POST COVID, ESPECIALLY IN THE ELDERLY. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO SIT 2 FT FROM SOMEBODY THAT ENCLOSED SPACE, ESPECIALLY IN THE IN THE MEDICAL SITUATION. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE AND SEPARATED. UM UM, UM,

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AND THEN THERE'S A CONFERENCE ROOM UP IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND QUARTER, SO THAT'S TYPICAL FOR THIS SIZE PRACTICE. IT MAY CHANGE THE FLOOR PLAN. WHOEVER COMES IN HERE COULD BE A DENTIST OFFICE, THEY WOULD SET IT UP DIFFERENTLY, BUT GENERALLY THE CONFIGURATION THE SIZE AND THE LAYOUT OF THE FOOTPRINT, UH, IS CONDUCIVE TO PUTTING IN A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING PRACTICE HERE. SO WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE NEXT EXHIBIT? BUILDING REAR AND FRONT ELEVATIONS. MAYBE A 16 RIGHT, 16. DRAWING A TWO AND IT'S DATED MAY 30TH 2023 CORRECT. YES. SO GOING THROUGH THE ORDINANCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WE WERE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. THE ARTICULATIONS IN THE BUILDING THE APPEARANCE AND ALSO WE WANT TO TIE THIS IN.

SO IS COMPLEMENTARY TO THE DESIGN OF THE OF THE MALVERN SCHOOL. SO ON THE BOTTOM OF THAT EXHIBIT IS THE, UM SUDDENLY SOUTHERN. FRONT ELEVATION AND WE'LL CALL IT BUT THAT'S THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WE DO HAVE AN ENTRANCE MONUMENT THAT KIND OF TOWER CONFIGURATION IN THE FRONT. IT IS THIS BUILDING DOES HAVE STUCCO. WE DID PUT A STONE BASE THAT MATCHES THE MALVERN SCHOOL STONE BASE THAT RUNS ALL FOUR SIDES OF THIS BUILDING. YOU'LL SEE THE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT MAIN ENTRANCE . YOU'LL SEE FULL LENGTH STOREFRONT GLASS, WHICH IN YOUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT IN THE BUILDING TO OUR BEST OF OUR ABILITY. WE ARE PROVIDING THAT, BUT AS YOU SEE THE WINDOWS AS YOU HAD TO THE RIGHT ON THAT FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE THEY'RE IN EXAM ROOMS. THEY'RE MOSTLY SMALLER AND NOT STORE FRONT TYPE OF GLASS. THE UPPER EXHIBIT IS THE NORTH ELEVATION AGAIN. THAT'S MOSTLY EXAM ROOMS. THE CONFERENCE ROOM. AND THE BREAK ROOM. WE ALSO HAVE CONTINUED A METAL ROOF. SOME THINGS. THE FRONT ELEVATION CAN'T FEED THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ISN'T IT THE WESTERN ELEVATION? YES BUT YES. SO THIS ENDS UP BEING WHERE OUR ENTRANCE DOOR IS. SO WE PUT THE DOOR IN THAT COURTYARD BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS WITH THE SIDEWALK REPRESENTS. HOW THAT HOW THAT ATTACHES TO THE BUILDING. WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT FOUR TO ENSURE YOUR IS COMPARING IT TO A FOUR SOUTHERN RIGHT? THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST. BACKWARDS YES, THE ACTUAL ENTRANCES MOVE YOUR CURSOR UP ON THE NORTH SIDE.

PARDON ME. I APOLOGIZE. SO THE FRONT ELEVATION IS THE WESTERLY ELEVATION, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT

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PORCH ROOF IS A STANDING SCENE. METAL ROOF, CORRECT. OKAY YES. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS COMPLEMENTARY TO THE MALVERN SCHOOL AND ALSO MET ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES. SO IT'S NOT A BOX. WE WANT TO AVOID PUTTING A BOX HERE , SO IT HAS SOME ARTICULATION HAS SOME DESIGN. FEATURES TO IT. AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT EXHIBIT RIGHT? LEFT SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH NOW SHOULD BE THE NORTH AND SOUTH. CORRECT A 17, WHICH IS YOUR DRAWING 83.

AGAIN DATED MAY 30TH 2023 CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THE LEFT SIDE IS THE NORTH ELEVATION. UM, THAT VEST BUELL, UH, IS HAS FULL DEPTH GLASS, AND I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM ONE OF YOUR DESIGN. ONE OF YOUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. THE NEXT TWO PANES OF GLASS OR TWO BAYS.

WE'RE GOING TO DROP THOSE TO BE STOREFRONT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE WAITING AREAS SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST THAT CAME OUT OF YOUR DESIGN PROFESSIONS. SO WE'RE GONNA.

THAT WILL BE PART OF WHAT WILL DO AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THIS PROJECT. WHAT ITEM? I ASSUME JAMES THAT IN YOUR REPORT. TELL ME THE ITEM AND PAGE NUMBER. ARTICULATION. POPULATION I HAVE THREE IDENTIFIED PER VARIANCES. IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME A PROBLEM, TOO DIFFICULT. REPORT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH YOUR REPORT ANYWAY, RIGHT? AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST PICK IT UP THEN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THANK YOU CAN SEE IT. BUT OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE IT. SO UH AND THEN THE UPPER RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS, UM SELF. THAT'S THE ALSO THE WINDOWS INTO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE IN THE MIDDLE. THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS ONE OF THE EXAM ROOMS AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE BREAK ROOM AND THEN WE NEED AN EGRESS DOOR OUT THE BACK REQUIRED BY CODES. THIS COMES OUT ON THAT SIDE AND THAT AREA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. SAME MATERIAL STUCCO METAL ROOF. WE CONTINUED IT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING. THE RIGHTS. THE RIGHT SIDE IS FACING THE RIGHT SIDE IS FACING NORTH. LEFT SIDE IS FACING NORTH. RIGHT SIDE SOUTHERLY SOUTHERN. OKAY THAT'S SPACING, REALLY, THE SIDE OF THE MALVERN SCHOOL. AND. THAT I BELIEVE IS ALL THE EXHIBITS. FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING EXHIBIT. THERE IS A LINE OF SAY PROFILE, BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT ME. THAT'S NOT GOING RIGHT BUILDING IS 26 FT SIX INCHES BECAUSE IT IS ONE STORY. I THINK ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS BROUGHT THAT UP. 20 S THE ACTUAL HEIGHT MEASURED FROM 1 FT. ABOVE THE HIGHEST PRECONSTRUCTION GRADE, SO THAT'S PRECONSTRUCTION. AND WHAT'S THE PERMIT? AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING HARD QUESTIONS? NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S 30 30 FT. ACH HE WENT OFF SCRIPT I LOST. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. UH HUH. H V. A C EQUIPMENT IS LOCATED ON THE ROOF . THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT PARAPET, WHICH IS ABOVE THE STANDING SCENE. THAT'S ABOUT FOUR OR 5 FT HIGH. YOU'LL NEVER SEE THE EQUIPMENT, MOST ROOFTOP

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SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 6 FT. I GATHER. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE BASED ON CAPACITY? MARKETING OR IS IT BASED ON ENGINEERING? PLANNER THAT'S GOING TO EXPLAIN THE BASIS FOR THEIR HEIGHT. ARCHITECTURE I'M SORRY. I THINK IT'S A VALID QUESTION. I CAN GIVE AN ANSWER ON PARTIAL THAT. SO UM WE HAVE 10 FT CEILINGS. ON THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RUN DUCTWORK AND MECHANICALS AND LIGHTING. WE HAVE A 10 FT CEILING ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO YOU'RE 20 FT. ALREADY WE HAVE TO FOOT OF STRUCTURE. THAT OCCURS BETWEEN THE FLOORS, SO TO HOLD UP THE SECOND FLOOR AND THEN BECAUSE OF OUR ATTIC BECAUSE WE HAVE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, SO IT'S NOT ON THE FLOORS. IT'S UP IN THE ATTIC. AH WHICH ARE ORDINANCE YOU KNOW, TALKS ABOUT IN THE PLANET WILL SPEAK MORE TO IT ABOUT HAVING, UM MCCANN TO, REQUIREMENT HAVE MECHANICAL UNITS UP ON THE ATTIC. UM THAT ENDS UP GETTING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING UP TO THE, UM MAKE SURE I SAY IT RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW GO BACKWARDS. HMM. CAN I FOLLOW UP? GAVE US ARGUMENTS SAKE THAT YOU DIDN'T PUT THE H V A C UNITS IN THE ATTIC. YOU MIGHT NEED RELIEF, BUT ASSUME THAT YOU PUT THE EQUIPMENT ON TOP OF THE ROOF. THEN YOU PROBABLY COULD LOWER THE BUILDING THAT REQUIRE A D VARIANTS. AND YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE THE AESTHETIC LOOK ON IT, AND THE ORDINANCE MIGHT SAY SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S THAT'S ONE. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU COULD LOWER THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE TO PUT A PARAPET OF SOME SORT TO HIDE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN YOUR ORDINANCE. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE A BIG BATHTUB, BUT THE ROOF TIGHT WOULD STILL BE UP THERE TO HIDE IT, SO IT'S WHETHER YOU PUT IT INSIDE OR OUT. YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THAT IF YOU THINK ABOUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT I'VE DONE IN THE IN IN MONTGOMERY. YOU KNOW THE AVERAGE FROM 29 TO 35 FT. IN HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A WALKOUT BASEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, RAISED UP OUT OF THE GROUND, SO IT'S NOT MUCH BIGGER THAN YOU KNOW, FROM THE POST CONSTRUCTION GRADE THAT THEN I WOULD SAY A CUSTOMS, BUT I RAISED MY POINT TO THE BOARD THAT THE 30 FT FOR ANY TWO STORY BUILDING IS INADEQUATE AS A AS A AS A LIMIT. FOR THE FUTURE NUMBER ONE POINT NUMBER TWO. THE BUILDING THAT WAS SHOWN MAKE ANY POINTS, POINTS POINTS, QUESTIONS THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER. THE OTHER MELBOURNE SCHOOL WHICH YOU DUPLICATED UM, HOW HIGH IS THAT BUILDING? THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HIGHER HEIGHT THAT HAS THE EXTRA 2 FT FIVE INCHES TO IT. SO THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING IS WHAT THAT'S THE LET'S SEE IF I GET THIS LOWER. WELL AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE YOU KNOW VISUALLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE BUILDINGS YOU'RE SAYING WELL, THAT SOUNDS REALLY HIGH. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT ISN'T SO I WILL NOT JUST ASKING WHAT THE HEIGHT IS. I'M GOING TO GIVE THAT TO YOU. SO THAT'S AH 34 9 PLUS 2 FT FIVE. THAT'S 36 37 TO THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE BUILDING IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY SEVEN. YES AND WE'RE AT 34. AND CHANGE. YES, 34 9 BUILDING IS IT'S 2 FT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THIS BOARD FROM MR CLUM. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PROTOTYPE HYPE. THIS THIS PICTURE IS HIGHER IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES, YES. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, PLEASE? MICHELLE TREE. OLO T R I O L O I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROFESSIONAL BUILDING. IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A ONE? ONE PRACTICE BUILDING. WERE THIS EVENING. WE'RE SHOWING IT AS A ONE PRACTICE BUILDING MOST OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY. HOSPITALS ARE BUYING UP MEDICAL PRACTICES COMBINING THEM IN AND THEY'RE PUTTING LIKE WE

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FOR QUESTIONS. SO I HAD A QUESTION. UM THERE SEEMS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT THERE SEEMS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRUCKLOADS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN FOR THE LANDFILL. YOU SEEM TO HAVE GRADING, WHICH IS A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ROAD. WHY WOULDN'T YOU CONSIDER PUTTING THE H VAC AND IN A MAKING A BASEMENT AND PUTTING THEIR TRACK THERE? HE SAID. WHY WOULDN'T YOU CONSIDER HAVING A BASEMENT BECAUSE OF THE GRADES AND PUTTING THE H BACK THERE? HE'S IMAGINING THAT THAT'S ONE WAY OF LOWERING THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND IT ALSO, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING IN SO MANY TRUCKS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 405 100 TRUCKS. IS THAT A SOLUTION? WELL WE STILL HAVE TO BRING IN PHIL BECAUSE OF BASEMENT MEMBER ON THE THREE SIDES OF THIS. WE HAVE THE PLAYGROUND AREAS AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU WON'T BRING IN PHIL.

YOU WILL BRING IN PHIL, BUT IT WILL BE LOWER. IT SHOULD BE LESSER. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BASEMENT THERE. YEAH WE GENERALLY FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS, BUT H 3 CC IN THE ATTIC. IT ALLOWS US BECAUSE COOLING IS ALWAYS OUR PROBLEM IN A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION, SO WE GENERALLY HAVE IT SO THAT COLD AIR IS COMING DOWN. SO THAT'S WHY WE SET IT UP THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, GOING TO ANY OFFICE BUILDING ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS AGAIN. REMEMBER THIS IS NOT A HOUSE, WHICH GENERALLY AT A HOME, WE WOULD DO A BASE AND PLUS STRUCTURE WISE, YOU KNOW TO DO A BASEMENT. IT GETS PRETTY COSTLY, BUT I KNOW THIS BOARD DOESN'T ISN'T CONCERNED ABOUT COSTS AND THE AREA THAT IT WOULD USE. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO BE USED FOR THAT BASEMENT. WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE TWO MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF THERE SO THEY WOULDN'T USE IT FOR OCCUPIED SPACE FOR CHILDCARE OR FOR OFFICES. YOU CAN'T YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FULL BASEMENT YOU COULD HAVE. YOU KNOW THEIR WAYS THEY CAN DO IT MORE LIKE A CRAWLSPACE ONLY FOR THE H VAC SYSTEM, AND THAT'S IT. CROSS SPACE GETS TO BE ISSUES BECAUSE OF IT WOULD RAISE THE BUILDING ABOVE THE GRADE. BECAUSE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE AND THIS IS A WOOD FRAME BUILDING WOOD FRAME EIGHT INCHES ABOVE GRADE, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY. SO THAT MEANS THE DEPTH OF THE FLOOR, WHICH IS 2 FT, WHICH SAID THAT WOULD PUSH THE FRONT DOOR OVER 2 FT. HIGHER SO YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU ADD THE BASEMENT, YOU'VE GOT TO ADD A COUPLE OF FEEDBACK INFRASTRUCTURE. SO GENERALLY, WE DON'T DO THAT, IN COMMERCIALS USUALLY SLAB ON GRADE OPERATION. MHM. SO JUST TO CONFIRM SO IT BOTH BUILDINGS AROUND SLAB.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE PICTURE OF THE ROOF? WILL ANY OF

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WE HAVE OUR STAIR EXIT. SO A THIRD OF THAT SIDE WALL WOULD BE THE STAIR. ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

YOU WOULD HAVE THE TODDLERS AND YOUNG TODDLERS UPSTAIRS, YOU'D HAVE PRESCHOOL TO AND PRE K. TWO THERE'S WINDOWS THERE THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING OUT. YEAH, THERE'S IN THE PRE K TWO.

THERE'S ONE WINDOW IN THE THAT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE PRESCHOOL TO THEIRS TO WIN THOSE AND THEN ON BOTH ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THERE ARE TWO WINDOWS AND THEY WOULD BE LOOKING OUT AT NURSES STATIONS, WAITING ROOM AND EXAM ROOMS. YES, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT. THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WAS JUST ASKED ABOUT, UM THE FACT OF BEING ON THE ROOF VERSUS PUTTING IT UNDERGROUND. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID THAT YOU I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT IT ON THE ROOF, BUT YOU HAD SAID YOU PREFER THE AIR TO COME DOWN. DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHERE THE H VAC EQUIPMENT IS? IT'S NOT JUST WHERE THE AIR COMES OUT COMMERCIAL OPERATION. IT'S HARDER TO COOL THAN IT IS THE HEAT. WE ALSO HAVE ERIKS CHANGES BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO. UNLIKE YOUR HOUSE, WE HAVE TO BRING OUTSIDE AIR IN SO MANY CUBIC FEET PER HOUR, OKAY TO HEAT IT OR AIR CONDITIONING CONDITIONING. COOL IT DOWN. AND IT GOES THROUGH THE BUILDING, AND THEN IT GETS EXHAUSTED OUT OF THE BUILDING, SO WE LIKE TO HAVE THAT FLOW FROM DOWN, YOU KNOW, COMING DOWN, ESPECIALLY FOR COOLING BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A 95 DEGREE DAY TODAY AT THE BRING OUTSIDE AIR WHERE YOU HAVE TO COOL IT, BRING IT DOWN AND EXHAUSTED OUT. THANK YOU. NOW YOU HAVE. YOU HAVE DESIGNED IT WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE VARIOUS WOUNDS, WHICH YOU'RE CALLING CLASSROOMS FOR TODDLERS, ETCETERA, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SLEEPING AREAS OUT THERE. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE OPERATOR. HOW THEY YOU KNOW, UM I'M SORRY. QUESTION WAS WHEN THE KIDS TAKE NAPS. DO YOU HAVE A SPECIAL AREA FOR THEM? AND THE ARCHITECT SAYS TO LEAVE THAT FOR THE OPERATOR WILL WILL AGAIN. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT FINISHING TONIGHT. JOHN, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? THE

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HUDSON KENNEDY WAS SO SICK DEBATE ON IT, SO I SPEAK NEXT. AND ANY TIME THAT THERE'S A HYBRID QUESTION IS ALWAYS YOU KNOW? TYPICAL MEANT JUST SHORTER. SO I CAN'T I'M NOT A BUILDING TO AN EXPERT. THE EVIDENCE PROFESSIONALS ARE WILLING TO PUT ON THE RECORD AND TESTIMONY THAT THERE IS THAT LOOKS STRUCTURAL ARCHITECTURAL REASON FOR RECENT RELATED STABILITY WITH CONSTRUCTION CODE AS TO WHY THEY'RE PUTTING IT AND BUILDING IT THIS WAY. IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO JUST BE THE WORST THAT BRANDING REASONS THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST CONCERN. IF THE REASONS OR FINANCIAL REASONS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. HE THEY EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED FINANCIAL IS NOT THE BOARD'S CONCERNS. SO IT WE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE FINANCIAL THIS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

CONSTRUCTION CODE AND OTHER ISSUES WHERE THIS PART OF THE FINANCIAL WAS NOT THE BASIS.

YOU'RE NOT MY UNDERSTANDING OF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IF THE CONSTRUCTION CODE REQUIRED, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF STICK CONSTRUCTION. CONCRETE OR STEEL. THAT'S NOT AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM THAT COSTS MORE MONEY, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS TYPE OF BUILDING AND CONCRETE AND STEEL RIGHT, ESPECIALLY AT THE SIZE OF 8600, BUT IT'S NOT CORRECT. PUT IT AS A COST. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THIS. YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT. 20,000 INTIALLY FEASIBLE, CORRECT. IT'S FOR THE TYPE OF OPERATION THAT MAKES NO SENSE. BUT THAT'S NOT. YEAH IS SAFE.

HE'S SAYING. TO DO A BASEMENT. WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT THEN HE WENT ON AND EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION CODE, OKAY, EXPLAIN WHY IT'S NOT VIABLE UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION CODE CONSTRUCTION CODE SETS LIMITS ON BUILDING HIGH FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING AND OPERATION. SO THAT'S BASED ON WHEN WE DON'T CARE ABOUT PRECONSTRUCTION IN THE CONSTRUCTION CODE. WE CARE ABOUT POST CONSTRUCTION GRADE, SO THE MEASUREMENT AROUND THE BUILDING, WE CONSIDER THIS TO BE A THREE STORY BUILDING. OKAY SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT? BECAUSE THAT THAT CAN'T BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, IN THIS MANNER AND HAVE THE OCCUPY A BLE BASEMENT, AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY'S HEADED THAT USED THE OCCUPY A BLE. SO WHAT WOULD IT HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO HAVE AN OCCUPY A BASEMENT? WE NEED TO BE CONCRETE, WOULDN'T IT? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A STEEL AND CONCRETE BUILDING. THAT'S CORRECT CONCRETE. THEN YOU COULD HAVE THE BASEMENT OCCUPY A BLE. CORRECT YOU COULD HAVE AN OCCUPY A BLE BASIS. THAT'S WHY I SAID,

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YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. YEAH YOU'VE BEEN WRONG BEFORE. AH THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TOLD, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TOLD , BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I TALKED TO HIS WIFE, UM. YEAH YEAH, LET'S LET'S GO TO OUR PROFESSIONALS. YEAH. YEAH, I GOT IT. HEY, FORWARD. YEAH. WARS ARE COOPER. THE WORLD. YES IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE HERE. SO MIAMI ASKED ME BECAUSE IN CONFLICT WORK. TO LEARN. I WANT TO BE IN FRONT OF THEM. YES SO THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE IN CONFLICT WITH THAT DOOR? UM THE MEDICAL OFFICE. ARCHITECTURAL PLANS WERE PREPARED SUBSEQUENT TO OUR ORIGINAL SUBMISSION OF THE SITE PLAN DRAWINGS, SO WE DID NOT KNOW WHERE THE DOOR LOCATIONS WOULD BE. SO NOW THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY WILL BE, WE WOULD REVISE OUR PLAN TO SHOW THOSE DOORS. MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S COMPLIANT WITH 80. A PARKING STALLS HAVE CONNECTING SIDEWALKS TO EVERY DOOR. UM EVERYTHING WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO COVER THAT FROM YOU HAVE TO GET A REVISED THEM TO COORDINATE THE SITE PLANS WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AS A CONDITION OF PRELIMINARY APPROVAL. CORRECT. OR WE CAN SURVIVE FIVE GRAND. HMM YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO JUST TRYING TO MAKE WORK, YEAH, YOU'RE STARTING TO SOUND LIKE ME. THANKS. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. GREAT. EDUCATION, SO HAVE ACHIEVED THE WINDOWS, WHICH LOUDER ASKED ME A QUESTION ABOUT WITNESS SOON. THE CHANGES. APPRECIATED AT THEIR STORE.

IMPORTANT. EVEN NEED. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO THAT PERSON ON THE FACADE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO ACTUALLY IN CONFLICT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ORDINARY ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE YOU REQUIRE CALCULATION AND OTHER ITEMS LIKE THAT, SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW AND THEY ARE INCREASING THE GLAZING WITHOUT THE ARCHITECTS TESTIMONY . THEY'RE STILL GOING TO REQUIRE RELIEF FOR THEM. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH, YOU CAN SIT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GRADING AND THE BRING IN OF THE DIRT AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE BUILDING. UH, COULD YOU

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SO YOU WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO CLEAR I'D SAY A MAJORITY OF THOSE TREES YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PRESERVE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. BUT THOSE AREN'T EVEN YOUR LARGER TREES THAT ARE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SITE . WELL WHAT IF YOU PUT THE SCHOOL BUILDING WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE MEDICAL, AND I GUESS I'M ALSO WONDERING WITH THAT. ALSO AFFECT UM IF YOU HAD ONLY ONE BUILDING, WOULD YOU HAVE LESS? RETAINING MALLS OF THE HIGH THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED.

IT'S POSSIBLE. I DID NOT EVALUATE THAT SCENARIO, BUT I CAN STATE THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE CLOSE TO ME AND THE BUILDING BUILDING COVERAGE REQUIREMENT.

YOU COULD GO IN WITH A BUILD IT BIGGER BUILDING IF YOU HAVE ONE BUILDING ON THE SITE, TAKING ALL THE FACTORS TOGETHER THE RETAINING WALLS TO BRINGING IN THE FILL THE REMOVING THE TREES , WOULD IT LOOK DIFFERENTLY AND REQUIRE LESS DISRUPTION? UH TO THE LAND WITH ONE BUILDING VERSUS TWO I CANNOT STATE THAT I CANNOT TESTIFY TO THAT. I CAN I HAVE NOT EVALUATED THAT OPTION.

I WOULD SAY THAT YOU WOULD STILL NEED TO CLEAR A MAJORITY OF THE SITE. YOU'D STILL NEED TO BRING IN PHIL TO ACCOMMODATE ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE BECAUSE OF HOW GRADES. CAN I HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE? FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. PLANNING SYSTEM. I WONDER IF YOU DO HAVE ALTERNATIVES. RIGHT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO QUITE A BIT UNDER THE ORGANS WITH ONE BUILDING. I THINK WE'RE OKAY, THIS IS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN MY HUSBAND, STEVE. BEING JUMPING SOMETHING ONE STORY. YOU ONLY HAVE ONE USE ON THEIR RIGHT. YOU CAN REDUCE THE HIDING PROVIDING THE SERVICE THAT THEY WANT TO PROVIDE, WHICH IS ROOMS FOR KIDS. THE OTHER PARTS OF THAT, SO WE I THINK IN TERMS DISRUPTION. TREATMENT. YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET WITH THE ONE STORY BUILDING IN ONE BUILDING. DISRUPTION. THE DESIGNERS WHEN THEY THINK DO THEY HAVE? RETAINED FOR THEM AT THAT POINT SPECULATED ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN REGARDS TO THE HEIGHT YOU COULD . IF YOU ONLY HAD ONE. NO NAME, MAKE IT ONE STORY SERVICE. YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE BUSINESSES INTENDING TO WHICH THE STORIES BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE MEDICAL FACILITY. YOU WOULD JUST HAVE THE CHILD CARE EXPENSE.

WHAT ABOUT THE RETAINING WALLS? NUMBER 22, AND I'M GONNA SPECIFICALLY TO DRAINAGE INTO.

WE'RE JUST GETTING TO MOST THINGS. DESCRIPTION. YOU HAVE WESTERN GENERAL. YES. WOULD BE LESS DISRUPTION AND LESS NEED FOR THE RETAINING WALLS. CORRECT CAN I ASK A QUESTION AND THIS IS

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UNFORTUNATELY IT WOULD CREATE MORE SETBACK WITH CROSS PARKING AND ACCESS EASEMENTS. I KNOW IT.

IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR LOCK COVERAGES. YOU'RE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT YOU WOULD HAVE BUILT BUILDING SETBACK ISSUES WHERE YOU WOULD BE SUBDIVIDING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC SIDE YARD SETBACK TO EACH BUILDING. YOU WOULD BE CREATING MORE VARIANCES IF YOU WOULD TRY TO SUBDIVIDE IT. LAND USE. OKAY THANK YOU. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH SO, YEAH , SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE DEFERRED TO THE OPERATOR. UM FOR DIFFERENT TONIGHT, AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE'RE APPROACHING 10 O'CLOCK, SO WE WILL NOT, UM, WE WILL NOT GET TO THE TRAFFIC. UM ENGINEER FOR TONIGHT. UM OR OR THE PLANNER. THAT'S RIGHT, SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE BECAUSE BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH WAS DEFERRED TO THE OPERATOR, THAT WE, UM WELL, GOOD. WE'LL GO TO HER. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WE WON'T CROSS EXAMINED HER AT THIS POINT. UM YEAH, LET'S BASICALLY THIS IS CROSS EXAMINATION QUESTIONS LEFT OVER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEFERRED TO HER. IN EFFECT IS A CROSS EXAMINATION. SO UH, THE WITNESS THAT TESTIFIED AT THE LAST YEAR. YEARS ON VACATION. MAYBE WITH JIM KYLE. I DON'T KNOW. UM THAT WAS A JOKE, OKAY? UM. CRYSTAL SEAL IS HERE. THIS IS NOT HELENE SCHWARZ. I'M SORRY. AH HA! OKAY OKAY. UM SHE WAS HERE AT THE LAST, UH HEARING SO SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO. LISTEN, UH, REVIEW.

WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? PLEASE? CRYSTAL MY SAYING THAT RIGHT? YEAH SEAL AS E A L OKAY IN HER POSITION WHERE SHE CAN TELL YOU ALL RIGHT, COME ON UP. LET ME GET YOUR SWORN IN. WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE DURING THIS PROCEEDING WITH THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH? NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. CAN YOU CRYSTAL SEAL S E A L AND WHAT IS YOUR POSITION WITH THE APPLICANT AM THE DIRECTOR OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR THE MELBOURNE SCHOOL? OKAY SO THE HELENE SCHWARZ WHO WAS HERE LAST TIME WAS THE SENIOR PROGRAM OPERATIONS MANNER CORRECT OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING WITH THE MELVERN SCHOOL. CORRECT. OKAY SO WHOEVER HAD QUESTIONS THAT WERE YEAH. GO AHEAD. HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED WITH? SINCE 2004. SO WHOEVER HAD QUESTIONS THAT WERE DEFERRED TO HER, OR DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THOSE QUESTIONS? MAYBE SHE CAN JUST ANSWER THEM. IT WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT THAT WAY. SURE I HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM. JOT IT DOWN. I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THE CHILDREN NOW WHEN IN THE PROGRAM , SO THEY NAP IN THEIR CLASSROOMS. NICE, SIMPLE ANSWER WERE REGULATED BY THE OFFICE OF LICENSING FOR THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. SO WE MEET ALL LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR NAPPING CAPABILITIES WITHIN THEIR CLASSROOM. UM ADDITIONALLY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. IT IS A TWO FLOOR BUILDING FOR HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY. SO WE DO WE HAVE MADE THAT ACCOMMODATION IN MANY OF OUR BUILDINGS DO NOT HAVE. THEY ARE TWO FLOOR BUILDINGS. THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ELEVATOR. SHOULD A CHILD NEED COME AVAILABLE THAT, UM, A CHILD ENROLLED. WAS UNABLE TO TRAVEL THE STAIRS. BUT WAS IT HAD AGED INTO THOSE? WE HAVE THE ABILITY. OUR CLASSROOMS, SPACES ARE FLEXIBLE, SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE THAT CLASSROOM DOWNSTAIRS FLIPPED CLASSROOMS IF NEEDED, UM, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CHILDREN. SHOULD THAT BECOME

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IT'S MORE OF AN OPEN HOUSE CLASSROOM FOR GRADUATION, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MANY KIDS ARE IN THAT CLASSROOM, USUALLY UP TO 12 TO 12? THAT SO THEY COULD BE PART TIME, SO THERE MIGHT BE A FEW MORE THAN THAT, UM, JUST BASED ON ENROLLMENT BECAUSE CHILDREN CAN COME MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY OR TUESDAY THURSDAY OR GRADUATION OR PARTY, SO THERE'S 12, AND THAT'S TWO CLASSROOMS OF THE PRE K THAT'S 24 AND THEN THE TWO PARENTS ONE OR TWO PARENTS FOR EACH KID, AND THEN MAYBE GRANDPARENTS IS THERE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THAT, SINCE SCENARIO FOR GRADUATION, AND WE DO ENCOURAGE THE FAMILIES TO, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY BRINGS THEIR OWN CAR AND AGAIN WE DO.

WE CAN SPLIT IF THE CLASSROOMS ARE FULL. WE CAN SPLIT IT AND HAVE PRE K ONE GRADUATE ON MONDAY AND PRE K TO GRADUATE ON TUESDAY. AND WHERE DO YOU HOLD THE GRADUATIONS IN THE BUILDING , USUALLY IN THE BUILDING CLASSROOM ITSELF, SOMETIMES IN THE LAWN, DEPENDING ON THE BACK LAWN, THE PRESCHOOL PLAYGROUND DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY ALRIGHT. HAVE ISLAND. WHAT? EILEEN? YEAH. SO IT'S 100 AND 20 STUDENTS IS THAT 120 20 IS THAT TYPICAL OF A MALVERN SCHOOL. WE HAVE AIRING SCHOOLS. ACTUALLY THE PICTURE THAT YOU SAW OF OUR WEST TOWN LOCATION IS A LARGER BUILDING SO AND IN PENNSYLVANIA . LICENSING REGULATIONS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, SO THAT'S GOING WOULD HAVE ABOUT 180 STUDENTS. UM BUT THIS THIS

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THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION. ASKED LAST TIME THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVER UM, THAT WE CAME DOWN ON ONE THING OR ANOTHER. IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT POSSIBLY BUS TRANSPORTING CHILDREN FROM THE SCHOOL FOR EXCURSIONS. UM AND THAT, UH, AND ALSO FOR BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL CARE? SURE IN SOME LOCATIONS. THERE IS A BUS. THAT IS OPERATED BY MALVERN. DO YOU ANTICIPATE? THAT WOULD HAPPEN? SURE SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. HELENE DID SPEAK TO THAT LAST TIME AS WELL.

YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, SO ARE THE BUSSES NOT OPERATED BY US WE WOULD CONTRACT OUT FOR OUR SUMMER EXCURSIONS. SO OVER THE 10 WEEKS OF OUR SUMMER CAMP WE DO OFFER ARE FOUR AND FIVE YEAR OLDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO PERHAPS THE LIBRARY, UM, TO TOUR THE GROCERY STORE, THE FIRE STATION. UM, MAYBE GO SEE A LOT. LOCAL PARK THOSE KINDS OF LOCAL EXCURSIONS AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD CONTRACT A LOCAL BUS COMPANY. IN ORDER FOR THEM TO COME IN AND TRANSPORT THE CHILDREN BEFORE AND AFTER CARE WOULD BE BASED ON A COMMUNITY NEEDS. SO IF WE FOUND THAT FAMILIES IN THE AREA NEEDED BEFORE AND AFTER CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN UP TO EIGHT YEARS, WE WOULD HAVE WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A BUS THAT WOULD COME AND PICK UP THOSE CHILDREN TO THE LOCAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THE MORNING AND THEN RETURN THEM TO US IN THE AFTERNOON AFTER THEIR SCHOOL DAY. AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE CONTRACTED FROM AN OUTSIDE SERVICE. THAT WOULD BE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. YES THAT WOULD WOULD HANDLE THAT. YES SO WE GENERALLY THEN BECOME LIKE A BUS STOP. IF YOU WILL. THANK YOU, MRS ABOUT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. UH READING FROM THE CLERK KATE AND HINTS MY MEMO. IT SAYS, WHEN TWO PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT AND THE HC ZONE. AND ONE WHO IS A CHILD. CARE FACILITY AND MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THREE ACRES IS REQUIRED. IS 2.046 ACRES AND VARIANCE IS REQUIRED. SO WHAT'S THE REASON WE SHOULD GRANT THIS VARIANCE? THAT'S THAT'S NOT A ME QUESTION. I'M SO SORRY. I'M AN EXPERT ON THE MALVERN SCHOOL AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, BUT NOT THAT PART. THAT'S FOR THEIR PLANNER. I'LL HOLD THAT QUESTION. SORRY. THAT'S NOT ME. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING THE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. WHERE WOULD THOSE CHILDREN BE? BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE SCHEMATIC. YOU SHOWED US THERE. THE DOWNSTAIRS WERE THE, UH, YOUNGER CHILDREN. AND THEN UPSTAIRS WHERE THE TODDLERS AND WHERE DID THE OLDER CHILDREN GO? SO OUR FIRST FLOORS ARE INFANTS AND TODDLERS. THE UPSTAIRS IS ACTUALLY MORE PRESCHOOL AND PRE KINDERGARTEN PROGRAM IN THAT CENTER SPACE THAT HE SHOWED YOU ON THE, UM, THE SCHEMATIC THERE. THERE'S THAT INTERIOR SPACE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE FASCINATION STATION. THAT'S OUR FIRST FLOOR PLACE SPACE. OUR SECOND FLOOR PLACE.

BASES ARE DISCOVERY ROOM, AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE CHILDREN COME IN THE AFTERNOON, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE IN THE AFTERNOON, MIXING PRESCHOOLERS WITH OLDER CHILDREN PRESCHOOLERS ARE STILL IN WOULD BE IN THEIR CLASSROOM SPACES BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE CLASSROOM SPACES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM, YOU'LL SEE THE CLASSROOM SPACES SURROUND THE DISCOVERY ROOM, SO THAT ROOM IS ACTUALLY EMPTY SPACE. IN THE AFTERNOON THAT YOUR CHILDREN USE THE PRESCHOOL CHILDREN USE THAT SPACE IN THE MORNING TIME PERIOD, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO USE IT IN THE AFTERNOON. SO AT THAT FOUR OCLOCK TIME OF DAY THAT AFTER SCHOOLERS COULD COME IN AND UTILIZE THAT SPACE. I THINK I THINK THEY CONCLUDES QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. BUT I DID WANT IT. THERE WAS A DEFERRAL OF A QUESTION THAT I THINK IT WAS MR CALAMARI, CALAMARI, MARI CALAMARI. GREAT UM, I JUST WANT TO GIVE THE OBJECT NOT OPENING THE THERE'S UP TO PUBLIC QUESTIONING, BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE OPERATOR.

THE QUESTION IS THAT IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY WE HAVE OVER 4000 DAYCARE CENTERS CURRENTLY ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF FOUNDATION FOR HIS QUESTION, THIS IS NOT TESTIMONY CORRECT, NOT TESTIMONY, ASSUMING. THAT THERE ARE OVER 4000 DAYCARE CENTERS IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. AND THEN ASK THE QUESTION. IN 21 COUNTY. THE QUESTION IS, WHY DO YOU WANT TO PUT ONE IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP IN SOMERSET COUNTY? BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, THERE ARE ONLY TWO COUNTIES THAT DO NOT NEED DAYCARE CENTERS. 100 IN SOMERSET. THERE'S THE QUESTION. YOU'RE REAL. PERMITTED USE TO COUNCIL DETERMINED THAT IS USED

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COULD YOU? YOU'VE SAID IT TO THEM. NO ONE HEARD YOUR QUESTION OUT IN THE AUDIENCE. CAN YOU SAY IT INTO THE MIC? HE BASICALLY SAID THAT ASSUMING THAT ONLY TWO COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY DO NOT NEED DAYCARE CENTERS. TAKE CARE NOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S BASED ON YET.

I'M SURE WHEN HE TESTIFIES, HE'LL TELL EVERYBODY BUT ASSUMING THAT THAT'S THE CASE, WHY DO THEY WANT TO OPEN THE DAYCARE? HERE WAS HIS QUESTION. IN SUMMER. 70 THEN OBJECTED AND SAID, IT'S IRRELEVANT. I SAID, I KNOW IT'S IRRELEVANT AS TO THE HEIGHT VARIANTS. I'M NOT SURE IF THE RELEVANT OR IMMATERIAL AS TO THE C VARIANTS FOR THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE UNDERSIDES LOT UNTIL I HEAR WHAT THE PLANNER HAS TO SAY. THEREFORE I THINK IT SHOULD BE. THE QUESTION SHOULD BE ANSWERED. IT'S NOT PREJUDICIAL TO ANYONE AND THEN WE CAN LATER DETERMINE IF IT'S RELEVANT OR IRRELEVANT OR MATERIAL OR IMMATERIAL BASED ON WHAT THE PLANNER SAYS. THE REASON IS FOR THAT UNDERSIZED LIFE. VARIANTS. SO CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION, PLEASE? YES, WE WILL. THANK YOU. SO BASED ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE SUBMITTED ALREADY TO THE BOARD, UH, ONE SECOND. WE ARE, TOO DEMOGRAPHIC BEFORE. FILM IN THE MARVEL. THAT THE MINISTER MOST OF YOU GUESS WHAT? WE'RE UP TO A 18. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? NATURALLY. SO EXHIBIT 18 IS WHAT UH, DOING INTO THE MICROPHONE EXHIBIT 18 DEMOGRAPHICS FOR SKILLMAN. DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS? LET ME JUST GET MARKED. OKAY, GO AHEAD. EXHIBIT 18. DEMOGRAPHICS YOU'LL SEE THAT WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS THERE ARE 3288 CHILDREN CALCULATED UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CHILDCARE FOR THOSE CHILDREN. HER ANSWER IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT. THE COUNTY MIGHT NOT HAVE A GENERAL NEED FOR IT. HER ANSWER IS BASED ON THEIR DEMOCRATIC STUDY. THERE'S A LOCALIZED NEED FOR IT. THAT'S IS THAT YOUR ANSWER? YES THE OTHER DAYCARES IN THIS IN THE SERVICE SERVING THE SAME DEMOGRAPHICS. HE WANTS ANOTHER DAYCARES. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT OTHER ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER DAYCARE CENTERS SERVING THIS LOCAL AREA? WE DO KNOW THERE IS THAT THE GODDARD SCHOOL THAT JEFF SHOWED EARLIER BREATHING. THERE'S THE MONASTERY WON'T THAT'S FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. THAT'S FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER? ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? I PERSONALLY AM NOT PERSONALLY NOT AWARE OF IT. GET TO YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO QUESTION SINCE SHE SAID WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS. YEP WE LIVE IN SKILLMAN SCHOOL IS IN SKILLMAN. HOW MUCH OF THAT RADIUS IS MERCER COUNTY? FOR SKILLS.

THAT'S THE DEMOGRAPHIC FOR SKILLED. THEY'RE NOT 5000 KIDS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, 12. FIVE MILE RATING. FIVE MILE RADIUS AND MY POINT, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, A POINT TO POINT YOUR QUESTION IS HOW MUCH IS A FIVE MILE RADIUS GOES BEYOND THE COUNTY INTO ANOTHER COUNTY. EXACTLY WHAT THE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO SAY IS THAT IN LAND USE IN NEW JERSEY YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS, SO JUST BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A NEED IN THE IN THE ADJOINING COUNTY AND MERCER DOESN'T FROM THE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE IN NEW JERSEY, THE BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS AND NOT JUST LOCAL. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THEIR POSITION. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK WE'VE DRAWN JOHN THIS TO A LOGICAL CONCLUSION FOR TONIGHT. UM THEN THE NEXT MEETING THAT'S SCHEDULED IS AUGUST 20 SECONDS.

IS THAT RIGHT WITH? YEAH DO WE HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST? 22ND WOULD

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I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. BUT YOU RIGHT NOW YOU GOT TO THE 30TH AND I WILL GET BACK TO ME. I'M NOT THE APPLICANT. I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLE. SOMEBODY CALL SOMEBODY. YOU'D HAVE TO CALL GEL. I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. UNFORTUNATELY. DOING RIGHT? DO YOU WANT? YEAH SCHEDULE THE THING ONLY FOR YOU FOR AUGUST. MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO BE DONE. IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER. I'M GOING. I'M MAY BE FIRED TOMORROW, BUT I'M GOING TO AGREE TO THE EXTENSION EXTENDED TO OCTOBER. 31 CONTINUE TO AUGUST. 22 KNOWN EACH REFER TO NOTICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT. ALL RIGHT, UM. THAT'S IT . THE FUTURE MEETINGS ARE AUGUST 22ND ZONING BOARD MEETING THAT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND THEN WE WOULD DO WELL DO HAVE A I NOTICED AUGUST 20 FOR THE MEETING. IT'S AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AS WELL. I DO WANT TO ACTUALLY DO WANT TO MENTION ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING. UM, THAT THAT THAT IS STRUGGLING TO FIND QUORUM. UM IN JUST JUST OPEN DISCUSSION IN THE CASE, WHERE YOU HAVE AN INABILITY TO FIND QUORUM. BECAUSE OF RECUSALS. LET ME LET ME JUST CHECK. LET ME CHECK ON THIS SO I THINK I KNOW WHERE HE'S GOING. THERE'S A BORROWING PROVISIONS IN THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. AND I JUST WANT TO FIND IT. BECAUSE APPARENTLY THE PLANNING BOARD MIGHT BE HAVING A PROBLEM. GETTING A QUORUM, SO. SHERRY CAN YOU? CAN YOU CLARIFY HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU EXPECT TO BE AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING ON AUGUST 14TH AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE RECUSED AND HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO BE THERE? I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S 33 AND FIVE WE NEED TO HAVE FIVE THERE. I HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT THERE WILL BE THREE. AND YOU HAVE 33. PEOPLE HAVE TO RECUSE AND THREE PEOPLE . OKAY SO, SO, 33. WE ALWAYS SO WE NEED TO PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING. NJ ESSAYS 40 CALLING 55 D DASH 23.2. TITLED LACK OF A QUORUM FOR THE PLANNING BOARD BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS TO SERVE AS TEMPORARY MEMBERS. IF THE PLANNING BOARD LACKS A QUORUM BECAUSE OF ANY OF ITS REGULAR OR ALTERNATE MEMBERS ARE PROBABLY IT'D FROM ACTING ON A MATTER. DUE TO A CONFLICT. AND I ONLY HAVE THREE UNDER SECTION 23. THEN REGULAR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SHALL BE CALLED UPON TO BE TO SERVE FOR THAT MATTER ONLY AS TEMPORARY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE ORDER OF SENIORITY OF CONTINUOUS SERVICE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT UNTIL THEY ARE THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS NECESSARY TO CONSTITUTE A QUORUM SO YOU ONLY COULD BORROW UP TO

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NINE REGULAR MEMBERS THANKS TO ALTERNATE ALTERNATE, SO A QUORUM OF NINE IS FIVE. CORRECT. SO IF ONLY THREE PEOPLE CAN YOU ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE HAS A CONFLICT, BUT THEY'RE NOT . IT'S THEY'RE NOT. THEY HAVE A CONFIDENCE. NOT THERE BECAUSE OF VACATIONS OR SOME OTHER ISN'T IT'S NOT A CONFLICT. THERE'S ONLY THREE THAT HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THE APPLICATION ON RECUSING THEMSELVES. IT'S 99 MINUS THREE. THERE ARE SIX PEOPLE THEY CAN'T BORROW UNLESS THE UNLESS THEY'RE DOWN BELOW A QUORUM. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. OKAY, SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY OKAY, IT'S NOT. ADDITIVE IN THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THREE AND THEN THE THREE RECUSALS. I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? RECUSALS BUT YOU CAN'T BORROW FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DO THAT. SO THEY'RE STUCK. GOT IT? GOT IT. OKAY SORRY. THE POINT WAS I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU GUYS TO FILL IN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN. BUT THAT'S TRUE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD CAN THERE'S SOMETHING YOU CAN SUPPLEMENT THE PLANNING BOARD CLINIC BOARD CAN'T SUPPLEMENT. THERE'S ANYTHING THERE'S ALSO A BAR BECAUSE WE'RE YOU KNOW THERE IS A TRADITION WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. GREAT ALRIGHT. I WAS GONNA SAY WE WERE SUPERIOR TO THEM. THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I WAS SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE BOARD OF THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS CANNOT BE COMPELLED TO BE TEMPORARY PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS. THANK YOU. MHM WAS GONNA ENLIST YOU GUYS FOR SERVICE, BUT NO. UM CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? I MOVED TO A JOURNEY. SECOND UM ROZANSKI AND MR SINGH MOTION AND SECONDED. UM THE TIME IS 10 10 IN FAVOR. BOOM

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