[I. ROLL CALL]
          [IV. RESOLUTION]
          [V. APPLICATION]
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          CORRECT YES. YES YEAH, IF YOU LIKE. YEAH AND I THINK THAT THE TYPE OF RESIDENT THAT'S GOING TO 
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BE HERE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE ONE CENTRAL MAIN ACCESS RATHER THAN A NUMBER OF ACCESSES 
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CORRECT POINTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY MY NEXT WITNESS IS CORY CHASE. HE'S A TRAFFIC 
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ENGINEER. IF WE COULD HAVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. CERTAINLY IT'S CORY C O R E Y LAST NAME IS 
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CHASE C H A. S E AND SERGIU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. 
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YES, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT MR CHASE IF YOU COULD PROVIDE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS AND EDUCATION TO 
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THE BOARD, CERTAINLY AGAIN CORY CHASE PRINCIPLE WITH THE FIRM, DYNAMIC TRAFFIC BACHELORS OF 
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SCIENCE DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS LICENSED 
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PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND FIVE OTHER STATES THAT QUALIFIED AS 
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AN EXPERT IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING BEFORE OVER 120 MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE, INCLUDING 
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THIS TOWNSHIP ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. VERY GOOD ACCEPTED. THANK YOU. PERFECT AND YOUR 
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LICENSE IS STILL VALID IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. IT IS PERFECT. UM ALRIGHT. UM, MR CHASE IF YOU COULD YOU PRODUCED OR YOUR DYNAMIC TRAFFIC, WHICH YOU HELPED WITH PRODUCING A REPORT THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE BOARD. CORRECT THAT'S CORRECT. WE PREPARED A TRAFFIC AND PARKING ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS DATED DECEMBER. 9 2022 PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP. AND WHAT THAT DID WAS TO PROVIDE A REVIEW OF THE SIDE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION THAT MR HEBER IN DESCRIBED TO YOU, AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE A PROJECTION OF THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE GENERATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT UPON COMPLETION OF THE CONSTRUCTION SHOULD THE TOWNSHIP BACK FAVORABLY UPON THE APPLICATION. THAT'S TYPICAL WITH, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC REPORTS THAT THE TOWNSHIP SEEN ON OTHER APPLICATIONS. WE DO TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THE EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORK TO GET A BASELINE IN THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, AND THEN WE SURCHARGE THE PROJECTED VOLUMES GENERATED BY OUR DEVELOPMENT TO DETERMINE IF THERE BE ANY IMPACT AS A RESULT OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY UTILIZING DATA PUBLISHED BY THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL AND THE STATE RECOGNIZED STANDARD FOR DEVELOPING TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS WERE UTILIZED THE 11TH EDITION OF THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, WHICH IS THE CURRENT MANUAL YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE FOUR OF OUR REPORT AND TABLE TO THAT SUMMARIZES THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THIS FACILITY. TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. WE TYPICALLY FOCUS ON THE WEEKDAY MORNING AND EVENING PEAK COMMUTER HOURS, AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT THAT SATURDAY PEAK AS WELL, WHICH COINCIDES WITH SHOPPING GOING ON IN THE AREA. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE A MAXIMUM OF ONLY 22 TRIPS DURING THE PEAK HOUR THAT CORRELATES TO APPROXIMATELY ONE TRIP EVERY THREE MINUTES DURING THE PEAK HOUR JUST TO GIVE THE TALENT SHIP A POINT OF REFERENCE, THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS AND THEN J. D O T. HAVE IDENTIFIED 100 ADDITIONAL TRIPS DURING A PEAK HOUR AS BEING A THRESHOLD FOR A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT GENERATES ONLY APPROXIMATELY 20% OF THAT THRESHOLD FOR A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC , SO DEVELOPMENT IN AND OF ITSELF AGAIN, NOT A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC GENERATOR. WE DID DO A PRE IMPOSED DEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS . THOSE RESULTS ARE SUMMARIZED IN TABLE THREE AND TABLE FOUR OF THE REPORT. CONSISTENT WITH OUR REPORTS. WE PREPARED FOR THE TOWNSHIP AND AS MR FISHING YOU'RE USUALLY RECOMMENDS. WE TYPICALLY DO THESE ANALYSES WITH AND WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MONTGOMERY PROMENADE JUST TO GET AN IDEA AS TO HOW THAT'S GOING TO FUNCTION CURRENTLY AND THEN POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE. SHOULD THAT DEVELOPMENT COME ONLINE, SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE RESULTS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN TABLE THREE AND TABLE FOUR. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE INCLUDED THE PROMENADE IN TABLE FOUR. BUT NOT IN TABLE THREE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO DEGRADATIONS AND LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO AGAIN, WE DO THE REDEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS IN THE POST DEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS AND DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY NET IMPACT AS A RESULT OF THAT ADDITIONAL 22 TRIPS THAT I DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY AS YOU CAN SEE IN TABLE THREE AND TABLE FOUR NO NET IMPACT AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM WE DID ALSO JUST FOR THE BOARD'S BENEFIT. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A FAIR AMOUNT OF ONGOING DEVELOPMENT IN THE MUNICIPALITY . WE DID LIST SIX DEVELOPMENTS. 
          IN ADDITION OR FIVE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENTS BEYOND THE PROMENADE THAT WE INCLUDED IN 
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OUR BACKGROUND DEVELOPMENTS TO ACCURATELY CAPTURE THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY BEYOND JUST POTENTIALLY THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE PROMENADE TO THE SOUTH OF THIS AS WELL. UM WE DID ALSO LOOK AT THE ON SITE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION. AS MR HABERMAN MENTIONED, WE DID REDUCE THE ON SITE PARKING TO PROVIDE 40 PARKING SPACES, WHICH CORRELATES TO ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. RESIDENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS PUBLISHED THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PUBLISHED PARKING RATE FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. IT'S 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT, WHICH AGAIN CORRELATES TO THE INFORMATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED AS REQUIRED PARKING RATIO FOR AN ASSISTANT LIVING FACILITY. THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. 
          THEY ACTUALLY ALSO PUBLISHED THE PARKING GENERATION MANUAL. WHICH IS LIKE THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL ACCEPTED, PUBLISHES PARKING GENERATION DATA THAT SUGGESTS 0.4 SPACES PER UNIT. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE DATA PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT WHO HAS DEVELOPED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THESE FACILITIES, THE RESIDENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS AND THE DATA PUBLISHED BY THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. WE FEEL THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING SUPPLY IS GOING TO BE ADEQUATE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS HOLISTICALLY ON SITE AND NOT HAVE TO RELY ON ANY POTENTIAL OFFSITE OR ON STREET PARKING. UM AND JUST JUST TO GO JUST TO GO BACK. UM SO YOU SAID THERE WILL BE 22 PROJECT 22 TRIPS IN THE PEAK HOUR. THAT'S CORRECT A MAXIMUM PERFECT. AND THEN WHAT? WHAT? WHAT IS THE PEAK HOUR? THAT THAT HAPPENS TO OCCUR ON THE SATURDAY PEAK HOUR. SO AGAIN WE LOOK AT THE WEEKDAY MORNING WEEKDAY EVENING AND THEN THE SATURDAY MIDDAY SO FOR THIS USE AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE TRIPS ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THREE PEAK HOURS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 14 DURING THE PEAK HOUR 19 DURING THE P M PEAK HOUR AND THEN 22 ON SATURDAY, SO NOT A VERY WIDE RANGE OF DEVIATION BETWEEN THE THREE PEAKS. THOSE RATES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE I T E MANUALS THAT'S CORRECT, AND SAME FOR THE PROPOSED PARKING ON SITE THAT'S WITHIN THE ACCEPTED, UH, PARAMETERS OF THE I FORGET, I FORGET THE ACRONYM THAT YOU USED , UM IT IS. IT IS WITHIN THE DATA PUBLISHED BY THE I T IN THE PARKING GENERATION MANUAL. YES. AND WE DID RECEIVE REVIEW LETTER PREPARED BY MR FISHER'S OFFICE BELIEVE IT WAS DATED JANUARY. 17TH 2023, WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THAT INFORMATION. UM MR FISHING DRESS FOR A COUPLE OF POINTS OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SEVERAL COMMENTS WERE INFORMATIONAL IN NATURE AND DIDN'T REQUIRE A RESPONSE. BUT WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THAT TO THE TOWNSHIP THAT WAS DATED FEBRUARY 22ND 2023. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MR FISHING ER, BUT I BELIEVE THAT SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSED HIS COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION. YEP COREY SAID PRETTY MUCH DAVID REST. SPEAKING IN MY EXPERIENCE . DEPRESSING THESE FACILITIES DON'T SEE A LOT OF VISIT. RESIDENTS MEMORY CARE ISSUES. 
          FORGET THEIR LOVED ONES. THEY JUST STOPPED COMING. IN PERSON. MY MOTHER IN LAW. GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF MY COMMENTS, OR E. THERE WAS JUST ONE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          I'M IN AGREEMENT DISTRIBUTION, BUT WHEN YOU JUST TOUCH FREQUENTLY. NOTHING BEFORE. 
          DEVELOPED. YES. PROVIDING THOUGHTS ON WHY WHITE RATHER THAN TRACK. WE DID, AND THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION, JOE. SO TO PROVIDE A CONSERVATIVE ASSESSMENT OF THAT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, WE SENT ALL OUR TRAFFIC THERE TO REPRESENT A WORST CASE SCENARIO. JOE IS RIGHT. WE COULD HAVE DISTRIBUTED IT THROUGHOUT THE ROADWAY NETWORK, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE IF ALL THE TRAFFIC WENT DIRECTLY TO 5 18 THROUGH VILLAGES DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE ANY IMPACT ON THE RESULTS OF OUR ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE COURAGEOUS IS IT? WOULD YOU BE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE ONLY REASON ONLY REAL REASON? PEOPLE WILL BE TRAVELING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS BEHIND IT AS IF SOMEONE HAPPENED TO LIVED THERE AND WORKED IN THE FACILITY WHERE LIVE THERE AND HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS FACILITY THAT IS CORRECT. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, THE 22 TRIPS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED IN PEAK IS THAT THAT WOULD JUST BE POTENTIAL VISITORS TO THE FACILITY CORRECT BECAUSE EMPLOYEES ARE OFF HOURS . I THINK THE TESTIMONY WAS THAT WAS BUT THIS ANALYSIS ASSUMES DOESN'T TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. SO BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU HEARD BY THE OPERATOR IN THEORY, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE LESS TRIPS THAN WHAT I'M DETAILING BEFORE YOU THEN THAT THE NATIONAL DATA ASSUMES THAT THE EMPLOYEE TURNOVER SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DURING THOSE PIG. OKAY SO THAT THAT'S ANALYSIS THAT WASN'T EMPLOYEES 
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ARE INCLUDED IN THAT 20 TRIPS, OKAY? AND IT COULD ONE OF YOU CLARIFY, I MEAN, IS VILLAGE DRIVING THE CLOSEST ON STREET PARKING OR IS THERE PARKING LOT ON HARTWICK? AGAIN YOU KNOW, BASED ON ALL THE DATA THAT I PROVIDED, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THERE TO BE ANY NEED FOR POTENTIAL OFFSITE PARKING IN THE FUTURE, SO WE DIDN'T EVEN EXAMINE THE CLOSEST ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE R S. I S THE I T AND THE DATA THAT THE APPLICANT HAS. WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THERE TO BE A NEED FOR ANYBODY TO PARK OFFSITE. OKAY AND THEN ALSO FOR THE PERMITTED USES HERE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THIS WOULD FALL COMPARED TO ANY OTHER PERMITTED USES FOR THE SITE IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW MANY TRIPS WILL BE GENERATED? I DON'T. 
          UNFORTUNATELY NO COMPARABLY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THE TRIP GENERATION IS RELATED TO SIZE OR DENSITY OF THOSE PERMITTED USES , SO THEY'RE GOING TO VARY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES ON THE SCALE OF TRIP GENERATION PER UNIT OR AT THE EXTREME, LOW END OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL AS ANY SORT OF, UM YOU KNOW, OTHER OFFICE COMMERCIAL IRONIES ARE LIKE THAT ASSISTED LIVING IS THAT THE VERY LOW END? THE TRIP GENERATION RATE PER UNIT. AND WOULD THAT BE LOWER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUT IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT IT ON A PER UNIT BASIS, YEAH SINGLE FAMILY HOME WOULD GENERATE MORE IN AND OUT TRAFFIC THAN ONE UNIT OF ASSISTED LIVING. THANK YOU. OKAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR AND THEN MY FINAL WITNESS. I'M SORRY I WAS MOVING OVER. MY FINAL WITNESS TONIGHT IS, UH, JAMES KYLE. UM, HE IS OUR PLANNER. HE WAS SWORN IN AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT I'M GONNA BRING THEM UP. YOU CAN SWEAR. MEET AGAIN. UM AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE BOARD DID ACCEPT HIS QUALIFICATIONS. AT THE LAST MEETING. MR KYLE, DO YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY UM, MR KYLE, CAN YOU JUST WRITE QUICKLY RUN THROUGH? UM THE VARIANCES THAT WE HAVE LEFT, UH, ON THE TABLE. UM AND I GUESS SINCE WE'VE MOVED THE ONE DESIGN WAIVER OVER TO A VARIANCE AS THE BOARD ON BOARD FOR THE FENCE IF YOU COULD JUST QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THOSE THAT TESTIMONY AGAIN FOR THE VARIANCES AND THE DESIGN WAIVERS, SURE, AND I'LL BE BRIEF. MY TESTIMONY IS NOT CHANGING MUCH. IT ONLY GETS BETTER BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD, WE REMOVED THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VARIANCES HERE. UM WHAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA IN PARTICULAR ON THE BUILDING SET BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE. SO OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE WE HAD A 12.5 FT BUFFER, AND NOW WE'VE INCREASED THAT TO 25 FT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA ANALYSIS, I THINK IT'S NOW GOTTEN SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER BECAUSE WE'VE DOUBLED THAT AMOUNT OF SPACE. AS JEFF SAID, WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PLANTS SIGNIFICANTLY THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THAT SECTION. SO I THINK THERE WE'VE ONLY TAKEN STEPS THAT WILL FURTHER REDUCE ANY POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM FURTHER ON THE BUFFER COMPOSITION. I THINK BASED ON THE COMMENTS MR SULLIVAN HAD AT THE LAST HEARING AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE WITH THE BOARD. I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT THAT VARIANCE IS APPROPRIATE. UM YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO HAVE SOME VISIBILITY INTO THE SITE IF WE WERE TO STRICTLY COMPLY WITH THOSE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE SITE AND I THINK PARTICULARLY NOT JUST WHEN THE CONTRACT AMBULANCE COMES IN. BUT IF FOR ANY REASON, MONTGOMERY POLICE HAVE TO GO IN THERE IF THERE'S SOME REASON WHY CAN REALLY MESS HAS TO GO IN THERE? THE FIRE COMPANY THEY GENERALLY WANT TO HAVE SOME VISIBILITY INTO THE SIDE AS THEY'RE PULLING UP SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE THEY GET THEIR CARS THEIR APPARATUS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. SO IN OUR ESTIMATION, LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN, THIS WILL PROVIDE ADEQUATE SCREENING TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE ACROSS, UM, HARD WORK DRIVE, BUT IT WILL STILL PROVIDE A GOOD BUFFER. WE'VE TAKEN GREAT CARE TO MAKE SURE WE PUT IN SOME NICE ORNAMENTAL TREES IN THERE, SO IT REALLY WILL ACHIEVE WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO AND KIND OF HIDE THAT PARKING. I THINK, AS JEFF SAID, IF YOU DIDN'T SAY WE DO HAVE LOWER SHRUBS ALONG THAT CURVE BLIND TO HELP WITH VISIBILITY OF CARS AND PARKING INTO HIS POINT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING THAT'S PERPENDICULAR TO HEARTBREAK DRIVER WOULD HAVE HEADLIGHTS SHINING OUT INTO THE PUBLIC ROADWAY, SO I THINK OVERALL, PARTICULARLY ON THE SETBACK VARIANTS, THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA ANALYSIS HAS GOTTEN BETTER. AND ON THE BUFFER COMPOSITION. WHILE WE DON'T MEET IT STRICTLY, IT STILL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND WILL PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE BUFFER THERE. THE REMAINDER OF THE VARIANCES THAT WE WERE SEEKING. THAT WAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN MR CLAVELL AND MR SULLIVAN'S LETTER. UM I'VE ALREADY PROVIDED TESTIMONY AND I'LL JUST RECON A LITTLE BIT SO THE HOT BOX SET BACK AGAIN. THAT LOCATION IS DETERMINED BY THE WATER COMPANY 
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LARGELY WERE GENERALLY FORCED TO COMPLY WITH THE LOCATION THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE. I THINK THERE'S ALSO AS I DISCUSSED IN THE PRIOR HEARING. THERE IS A BENEFIT HERE. IT PUTS IT IN A LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN EASILY ACCESS IT. IF THERE'S ANY NEED FOR SERVICE, ANY ISSUES THEY CAN GET TO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME ONTO THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. IT PUTS IT IN A LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN GET EQUIPMENT TO IT IF THEY NEED TO. SO OVERALL, THE ON THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA FOR THAT AGAIN, WE'RE PROVIDING PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL BUFFERING AROUND THAT SO AS VIEWED FROM HARTWICK DRIVE, IT SHOULD BE SCREENED ON ALL SIDES EXCEPT THE SIDE WHERE THE OPENING IS TO ACCESS THE WATER METER. BUT WE'VE AGAIN TAKEN GREAT CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLE. SO I THINK OVERALL NOT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THAT ONE. THE LOADING SPACE SIZE WE TALKED ABOUT IT THE LAST HEARING AS WELL AGAIN. WE'RE ONLY 3.5 FT OR SO SHORT ON THAT. THE TRUCKS THAT WILL BE SERVICING THIS FACILITY AND DELIVERIES ARE GOING TO BE PRIMARILY BOX TRUCK SO WE DON'T NEED A FULL LENGTH LOADING AREA OF 36 FT. OR SO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ADEQUATE FOR ANY OF THE TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING TO SERVICE THIS FACILITY, SO THE BENEFIT HERE IS WE CAN REDUCE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES A LITTLE BIT, REDUCE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES. UM AND I THINK THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THAT . OVERALL THE ONLY IMPACT THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THIS LOADING SPACE SIZE WOULD BE INTERNAL TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING. GIVEN THAT ITS BOX TRUCKS IT SHOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CIRCULATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO OVERALL NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THERE THE ONE NEW VARIANTS TO TALK ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH THE FENCE SIZE FROM A DESIGN WAIVER TO A VARIANCE OF FOUR. FT IS WHAT'S PERMITTED WERE REQUESTING EIGHT. 
          SO ON THE POSITIVE CRITERIA, THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC WELFARE AND SAFETY BENEFIT. AS WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT FENCE ENCLOSES THE MEMORY CARE GARDEN. THOSE ARE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS FACILITY THAT WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME MEMORY CARE ISSUES, DEMENTIA, ALZHEIMER'S THINGS LIKE THAT, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE ENCLOSURE IN THAT GARDEN SO THAT THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY THAT ANYONE COULD GET OUT OF THAT WANDER INTO THE PARKING LOT ONTO THE STREETS, SO CLEARLY A SAFETY ISSUE AND BENEFIT FROM INCREASING DEFENSE SIZE TO PROVIDE THAT ENCLOSURE. 
          IN TERMS OF NEGATIVE CRITERIA. THAT FENCE IS LOCATED WELL, INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE SCREEN. WE HAVE A DRIVE. I'LL A PARKING AREA AND THEN WE HAVE A SWELL AND LANDSCAPE OFFERING THAT BUFFERS THAT TO THE NORTH. SO THE RESIDENTS ALONG MYSTIC WAY, WE ALSO HAVE A PORTION THAT OPEN SPACE LOT FROM THE HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT THAT WRAPS AROUND THE BACK OF THOSE UNITS, SO THERE IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE SEPARATION. IT SHOULD NOT BE A VISUAL IMPACT OF THE INCREASE IN SIZE THERE. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE INTENT OF THIS STANDARD, UH, YOU KNOW IT'S A VISUAL IMPACT ISSUE. SO I THINK, GIVEN THE LOCATION WHERE THIS FENCE IS ITS LIMITED EXTENT, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT TO THE INTENT OF THAT STANDARD. AS FAR AS THE DESIGN WAIVERS AGAIN , JUST GOING BACK TO THE STANDARD AND THE MUNICIPAL AND THIS LAW. UM IF THERE'S AN UNDUE HARDSHIP OR THERE'S A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY MEETING THESE ARE LARGELY ENGINEERING DESIGN ISSUES. I THINK MR HABERMAS PROVIDED EXTENSIVE TESTIMONY IN THE AREAS OF DEPARTURES. UNDER THE COURT CASE, GARAFALO WOULD JUST SIMPLY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE WAIVER SOLDER REASONABLE UNDER THE FACTS, AND I THINK, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT THE BOARD HAS HEARD THAT WE CAN MEET THAT STANDARD AND, UM THOSE DESIGN WAIVERS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AGAIN. WE'VE TAKEN GREAT CARE TO TRY TO REDUCE AS MUCH OF THE RELIEF IN THIS APPLICATION AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. AND REALLY, WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH ARE JUST THE ONES THAT WERE NOT REALLY ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT OR THAT MAKE MORE SENSE THAN WHAT THE STANDARD IS SO UM, MR CHAIRMAN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE IN THE WAY OF DIRECT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER AND I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVE NEGATIVE CRITERIA OF THE MINIMUM DISTANCE? I DID. SO YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE UNIQUE SITUATIONS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST HEARING. JUST GET THIS UP AGAIN. 
          SO THIS THIS SIDE IN PARTICULAR WHEN THIS AIR RAGE ZONING WAS CREATED WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS FACILITY WERE OFFICE BUILDINGS. SO DURING THE COURSE OF THE TOWNSHIPS THIRD ROUND WHEN THE PEARL PROJECT CAME TO LIGHT IT WAS CHANGE. THE ZONING WAS CHANGED TO ALLOW THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO GO IN ANOTHER. THE DOWNSIDE FOR US WAS THAT INSTEAD OF A NONRESIDENTIAL BUFFER WE HAD A RESIDENTIAL BUFFERING IS MORE STRINGENT STANDARD. SO RECALL THAT THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FOR THIS SITE WAY BACK WHEN WAS FOR 120 BEDS. AND WE'VE REDUCED IT TO 80. SO WE HAVE TAKEN ALL THE STEPS THAT WE CAN TO BASICALLY REDUCE THIS TO THE INTENSITY THAT STILL WORKS. BUT TRY TO MEET ALL OF THESE STANDARDS, SO THE POSITIVE CRITERIA ON THE, UM SETBACK. VARIANTS BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, PLEASE. SO ITS PURPOSE A TO PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE AND ALSO I TO PROMOTE A DESIRABLE VISUAL 
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ENVIRONMENT. SO AS WE DISCUSSED , WE HAD SIGNIFICANT TRACTION WITH STAFF ON THIS BEFORE WE SUBMITTED AND CAME BEFORE THE BOARD. SO THE THINKING WAS WE COULD HAVE, UM RE MANEUVERED THIS AND MOVED IT AROUND SO THAT WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMPLIED WITH PARTICULARLY THE PARKING ON THE VILLAGE, DR SIDE, SO THE BENEFIT HERE AND UM. SORRY. LET ME JUST GET TO THIS. 
          YES SO THE BENEFIT HERE AND GRANTING THAT RELIEF AS IT ALLOWED US TO MOVE MORE OF THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND IMPROVE THE VISUAL EXPERIENCE ALONG VILLAGE DRIVE. 
          SO ONCE THIS CONNECTION GOES THROUGH DOWN TO TWO, OH, SIX. IT'S LIKELY THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A FAIRLY MAJOR ROUTE THROUGH BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO AVOID THAT LOADED 206 AND 5 18, WHICH WAS REALLY THE REASON THAT THE TOWNSHIP ENDEAVOR TO PUT THESE LITTLE BYPASS SLIP ROADS THROUGH TO 5 18. TO AVOID THAT INTERSECTION. SO EARLY ON IN THE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, IT WAS FELT THAT FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE THAT PARKING ON THE HARD WORK DR SIDE, THEN BALANCE IT BETWEEN THE VILLAGE, DR SIDE HARTWICK DRIVE AND THE NORTH SIDE, SO THIS WAS REALLY A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS THE PARKING SO IT LESS THAN THE VISUAL IMPACT. YOU KNOW, ONE TO THE TOWN HOMES THAT WERE DIRECTLY ACROSS VILLAGE DRIVE, BUT TO JUST FOR THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN THE VISIBILITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE ALONG THIS ROADWAY IN THE FUTURE. UM SO HERE, MY THINKING WAS AND I BELIEVE MR SOLOMON'S AS WELL AND THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD. THIS WAS REALLY A BETTER ZONING ALTERNATIVE. IT'S BETTER TO REDUCE THAT BUILDING SETBACK AND THAT SIDE A LITTLE BIT AND BALANCE THE PARKING A LITTLE BETTER. UM THEN TO HAVE THAT ALL ON THAT ONE SIDE, SO THAT WAS REALLY THE POSITIVE BENEFIT IN TERMS OF ANY NEGATIVE AGAIN. WE'VE INCREASED THE BUFFER SUBSTANTIALLY. WE HAVE NOW DOUBLED IT. WE COMPLY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUFFER WITH A GOOD COMPOSITION. THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE GOOD SCREENING TO THAT. WE ALSO HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN IN THIS RENDERING, BUT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND ORNAMENTAL TREES THAT GO ALONG THERE AS WELL. ALL THAT WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF SOFTENING THE APPEARANCE OF THAT BUILDING IS YOU AS VIEWED FROM THE WEST? SO OVERALL NOT ASLEEP . STAN SHAL IMPACT. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME IMPACT, BUT WE FEEL THAT WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF REDUCING THAT YOU KNOW, TO THE MINIMUM LEVEL SO THAT IT WILL NOT BE SUBSTANTIAL. AND THEN THE INTENT AS FAR AS THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE STANDARD. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SEPARATION BETWEEN THESE USES. UM WE THINK, GIVEN THE PARTICULARS OF THIS SITE DESIGN THE FACT THAT THIS IS A RELATIVELY LOW INTENSITY USE, SO, AS MR CHASE SAID, IT'S ONE OF THE LOWER TRAFFIC GENERATORS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCALE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IN AND OUT ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, WE THINK THE PARKING AND THE CIRCULATION IS WELL HIDDEN, SO IT WON'T SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIRED THAT INTENT OF PROVIDING THAT SETBACK. OKAY BUT TO BE CLEAR YOU'RE STILL ASKING FOR A 50 FT. DIFFERENCE IT'S 100.9 TO THE PORTICO SHARE AND THEN I THINK IT'S 86.2 FT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE, SO WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE 136.2 TO THE MAIN BODY OF THE STRUCTURE. SO THE PORTICO SHARES OPEN. 
          OBVIOUSLY, CARS ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING UNDER IT. IT'S NOT A WALLED STRUCTURE THAT PRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MASS. SO I THINK EFFECTIVELY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT 136 FT SETBACK THAT THAT'S MORE AND FORGIVE ME AGAIN . BUT CAN YOU TELL ME HOW YOU GET THAT DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING ON HERE, AND THAT'S IT'S AN 18 FT DIFFERENCE TO THE EDGE FROM THE EDGE TO THE BUILDING. 
          SO LET ME JUST PULL UP THE EXHIBIT HERE ON MY COMPUTER. AND AGAIN MADE MY EYES ARE SO BAD THAT I'M READING PRETTY HARD TO SEE ON THAT. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. AND FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF HARTWICK DRIVE TO THE MAIN PART OF THE STRUCTURE, SO JUST BEHIND THE PORTICO SHARE THE ORANGE PART OF THE BUILDING THERE. YEP SO THAT IS 86 POINT. 
          I'M SORRY. 82.6 FT. I MIXED THE TWO NUMBERS OF ITS 82.6 FT FROM THE MAIN PART OF THE STRUCTURE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. HARD WORK DRIVE RIGHT AWAY IS 50 FT. SO WHEN WE HAD THE 82.6 IN THE 50, THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE IT'S 1 32.6. I APOLOGIZE. I MISSPOKE. SO 1 32.6 IS THE SETBACK FROM, UM THE PEARL THE APARTMENTS AT THE CROSSINGS AND THE MAIN PART OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THEN WE HAVE 100.9. FROM THE PORTICO SHARE, TOO. THE APARTMENTS AT THE CROSSINGS. JAMES, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? INTO THEIR CHRISTINE MEASURING. ONE COLUMN TO THE OTHER DOESN'T MEASURE THE 
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FRONT OF THE PORTABLE CHAIR TO THE ACTUAL OKAY OF THE DRIVEWAY . YEAH, SO WE'RE JUST SHOWING THAT WE HAVE 18 FT FOR ONE WAY OPERATION. YEAH, THE SCALE. YEP. SO 100 AND 32 VERSUS 150. 
          CORRECT. OKAY? UH DIDN'T WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRIC CHARGING TOWER FOR THE VEHICLES IN THE PARKING LOT, EITHER, YOU KNOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS HOW MANY CARS THAT MIGHT SERVICE AND, UM, BUT FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, BUT I DON'T I KNOW THERE'S A STATE LAW REQUIRING CHARGING TOWERS, BUT HOW MANY, UM, COULD YOU ILLUMINATE THAT FOR ME. IF YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO ASK MR HABERMAN TO COME UP AND DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S MORE IN HIS WILL HOSPITAL. WHATEVER THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW REQUIRES. WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY. IT'S NOT REALLY RELIEF THAT THE BOARD CAN GRANT. SO WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IT. GREAT SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? PLEASE? YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE, UM. NO THERE WAS CERTAINLY SOME CLARIFICATION REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT. UM, BASED, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASED UPON IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE OR COMMERCIAL USE. SO, UM, THAT WE CONSIDER THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT MISTAKEN, SAYS THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE ON THE COMMERCIAL END OF IT. SO UM, WE WOULD COMPLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF E V CHARGING STALLS FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE ONE THERE. UM WHICH IS SHOWN AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THAT PARKING AREA. UM AND IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, HOW MANY SHOULD BE IN THERE? I THINK 15% HOW WAS I WAS? YEAH I THINK YOU NEED THREE INITIALLY. UM AND THEN YOU'D HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, MAKE READY STALLS. AFTER THAT. I HAVE TO DO THE CALCULATION. I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. AND 15% OF 80. JUST THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CHECK. SO WHY ARE YOU SO YOU'RE SAYING ON ONE HAND YOU WANT TO FALL UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL AND ANOTHER WHO DON'T? YEAH I WAS ABOUT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION, MAN. YOU KNOW YOU WANT THE SETBACK BASED ON THE, UM THE RESIDENTIAL OR SO FORTH, BUT YOU WANT THE OTHER BASED ON THAT SO YOU THAT DOESN'T REALLY FLY. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ONE OF THE OTHER AND I THINK THIS IS ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL. SO WHETHER YOU CONSIDER IT OR NOT. THAT'S WHAT ITS OWN DOES CORRECT. SO RIGHT? GLAD YOU CAN CALL. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? SORRY THIS SOUND SYSTEM STINKS IN THIS ROOM . YEAH JUST DOES. NO IT'S NOT YOU. IT'S VERY POOR DESIGN. IT'S NOT YOU. IT'S ME. NO, IT'S NOT ITS EMR. BUT THERE YOU GO. THE APARTMENT, THE ASSISTED LIVING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE BASED ON HOW THIS SYSTEM LIVING. FACILITY IS REGULATED WITHIN THE TOWN. THE STATE DEFINITIONS AND WHAT THEY WANT REQUIREMENT. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE CANDY RESIDENTIAL USE. I NEED TO FIND . SO I WENT THROUGH THIS INTERPRETATION AS WELL. WHEN I WROTE THE INITIAL WORK AND LOOKING WAY TO SEE DEFINED THE SYSTEM LIVING PERSONS WHAT'S REQUIRED. SO I THINK IT'S A TECHNICAL MATTER. IT'S LEGAL NOW. THIS IS THE LIVING, SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE COVERED UNDER THOSE USES THAT PART THAT WAS AN HOUR. THAT'S DIFFERENT. UNDERSTAND THAT JUST. NO I DON'T. I DON'T DISAGREE. AND I SUPPOSE THE QUESTION IS FOR THIS FACILITY. UM WHO WOULD BE IF MORE E V. UM STATIONS WERE PROVIDED OR MAKE READY SPACES. WHO IS THIS INTENDED FOR? IT'S NOT THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE VEHICLES, SO IT'S EITHER EMPLOYEES. OR VISITORS, AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL SEE OVER TIME, PARTICULARLY WITH BUSINESSES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE EMPLOYEES. 
          AS MORE AND MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE BEING DRIVEN BY EMPLOYEES. THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO CHARGE THEM WHEN THEY COME TO WORK, SO IT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY END UP BEING, UM AND OPERATOR ISSUE. YOU KNOW IF HALF YOUR WORKFORCE IS COMING ELECTRIC CARS AND THEY CAN'T GET HOME. IF THEY CAN'T CHARGE, THEN YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PROVIDED. SO UM OUR INTENT IS TO COMPLY WITH THE MUNICIPAL AND THIS LAW, SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY 
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THERE ARE GOING TO BE, AND THEY WILL BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE SIDE PLANE AND DESIGNATED SPACES. AND IF THEY ARE FOR EMPLOYEES, I THINK YOU HAVEN'T MARKED MORE WHERE VISITORS WOULD BE PARKED. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ON THIS SIDE WHERE EMPLOYEES WOULD BE PARKING . YEAH, I WOULD IMAGINE, UM THAT WE WILL HAVE ONE SPACE THAT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO VISITORS. AND THERE'S CERTAIN RULES AROUND EVIE CHARGING STATIONS. YOU CAN'T JUST PARK YOUR CAR THERE FOR EIGHT HOURS AND LEAVE IT PLUGGED IN. I THINK IT'S A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU CAN HAVE IT THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO AND MOVE IT SO THAT IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO GET INTO THE SPACE AND USE IT, THEY CAN THEIR SIGNAGE THAT GOES UP AROUND THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE LAW. 
          SO WE WILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER IS NEEDED JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION. SO THE STATE LAW UNDER THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW REQUIRES ONE E V STATION. FOR ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT. BUT 15% FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT . IS THAT SO EXCITING ON THE ON THE NON RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THE SPACES HAVE TO BE MAKE READY. MAKE READY FOR OKAY, SO THAT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE LIKE A MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE A PHASE OF SIX YEARS TO INSTALL THE ACTUAL CHARGING EQUIPMENT, SO THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE NUMBER OF MAKE READY. YOUR INITIAL INSTALLATION HAS TO BE ONE THIRD OF THE REQUIRED CHARGING STATIONS WITHIN THREE YEARS, THE NEXT THIRD AND WITHIN SIX. THE NEXT THIRD AND MAKE READY MEANS THAT THE ELECTRICAL HAS TO BE RUN UNDER THE GROUND OR WHEREVER CONDUIT. ALL THE ELECTRIC CABLES . ALL THAT IS RUN TO THE LOCATION OF THE POST. AND IT'S JUST THE POST IS INSTALLED. YOU KNOW WHENEVER THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER HAS MORE DISCRETION AS TO WHEN THEY GO IN AND JUST FURTHER TO SUMMARIZE OUR BOARD ENGINEER INTERPRETS. THE LAW CASUALLY THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AND OUR BOARD ATTORNEY AGREES WITH THAT . IS THAT CORRECT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING YES. I THINK THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT. I MEAN, AS MISS CASEY POINTS OUT, MOST OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE, ACTUALLY ALL OF THEM ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO VEHICLES THAT WOULD NEED TO CHARGE AND THAT WAS REALLY THE INTENT OF THE MULTI FAMILY REQUIREMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OWNER IN A RENTAL SITUATION IS PROVIDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO PROVIDE IT YOURSELF. AND I JUST I JUST DID SPEAK TO MR STAN STAN FIELD, AND HE WHAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO WOULD BE TO ADD. 
          ADD ANOTHER STATION WOULD BE WONDERFUL. WONDERFUL YEAH, AND AS YOU, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT? WHAT? WHAT THEY WOULD. WHAT HE WOULD AGREE TO IS THOSE E V CHARGING STATIONS HAVE DUAL MHM HOOKUPS, SO THAT WOULD BE IF THERE'S TWO. THERE'S TWO GONNA BE TOO. UM HOOKUPS, IT WOULD BE FOUR SO BEFORE CHARGING SPACES. GREAT. FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO BE READY FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE ELECTRICAL ELECTRIC CARS ANYWAY . YEAH I THINK THAT'S WHERE MR KYLE WAS GOING WITH. THIS ESTIMATE IS THAT YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. IT'S CHEAPER TO DO IT NOW THAN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, AND I THINK IT ALSO MAKES SENSE. THE SUGGESTION THAT TO HAVE ONE OF THESE DUAL UNITS BY THE EMPLOYER WHERE THE EMPLOYEES PARK IN ONE BECAUSE SHE TO WHERE FAMILIES WOULD PARK IF THEY WERE COMING TO VISIT THEIR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. AND THE LANDSCAPERS. WOULD THE LANDSCAPE PLEASE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THEM. UH, INTERIOR? YEAH. OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM AND WITH MR KYLE, I HAVE NO FURTHER WITNESSES TONIGHT. OKAY LET'S GO TO OUR PROFESSIONALS. 
          SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. JAMES. TWO BECAUSE THE REQUIRED. AND YOU'RE DOING THAT PRIMARILY RUN MENTAL DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE WINTER. STOP SCREENING WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. AND BRING MR HABERMAN BACK UP. SO SURE IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE ORNAMENTAL IN THE SHADE. TREES ARE IN THE FRONT. OBVIOUSLY DURING THE WINTER SEASONS, YOU KNOW LEAVES WOULD FALL. YOU KNOW , THE VISUAL IMPACT WOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WITH LESSON. 
          UM ALRIGHT, WOULD BE GREATER TO THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE ARE PROVIDING EVERGREEN SHRUBS TO ALONG THE FRONT OF THOSE, UM, THAT PAVEMENT AREA THOSE GET TO BE A FEW FEET HIGH THERE. UM AND 
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. SO THERE THERE IS A YOU KNOW THERE IS MORE OF A VISUAL IMPACT DURING THE WINTER MONTHS, BUT YOU KNOW, BY PROVIDING THAT 25 FT BUFFER, WE FEEL THAT THAT'S PROVIDED. YOU KNOW THE IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN OF THE BOARD WITH HAVING THE PARKING IN THE FRONT FRONT YARD THERE SO UM RIGHT? GENERALLY WANT TO. REQUIRES BUT ALSO WITH THE COUNCIL CONCERNS DEFENDANTS IN THE BUILDING NEXT STREET SO THE WAY I WOULD THINK ABOUT THIS IS WITH THE LOWER IMMIGRANTS TRIPS AND ALSO, HMM. RIGHT? YES. AND IN TERMS OF. HAVING FEW EVERGREEN TREES THERE AND DIFFERENCE IS YOU CAN'T SEE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE BUILDING MORE CLEARLY IN THE WINTERTIME. SERVICES PERSPECTIVE OF THIS WAR. NOTHING. THIS. THE UTILITY TO THEM SO INTEREST IN THE MORNING. BEING THE WINTER. THAT WOULD ONLY BE IN THE WINTER , RIGHT? HMM HMM. SOLDIER. IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT? WHAT WOULD THEY PREFER AS A TRADE OFF? THE ARGUING THAT. IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THAT VISIBILITY FOR WOULD WE RATHER CLOSE IT OFF? ST ANYTHING ELSE, JAMES? OKAY? FOR ONE LIVES AND. YEAH YOU HAVE TO PULL YOUR CAN YOU PULL THE MIC CLOSER? WE CANNOT. ONE COMMON. YEP. EVERYTHING ELSE. IN THE TECHNICAL IN NATURE AND THANK YOU. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. WILL HAVE YOU COME UP ONE AT A TIME. PLEASE SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT EVERYBODY, TOO. LIMIT EVERYBODY 23 MINUTES APIECE AND HERE IS MY REQUEST, PLEASE. IF YOU ARE COMING UP TO REITERATE WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS PREVIOUSLY SAID, COME ON UP AND JUST SAY THAT YOU AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY SAID. WE DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, JUST LET'S TRY TO AVOID SAYING THE SAME THING. 15 TIMES, BUT PLEASE DO COME UP TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VOICE IS HEARD. SO ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? AND PLEASE, WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE BEFORE YOU START YOUR COMMENT, PLEASE. HI. MY NAME IS SADAT. SARIN PULL IT IN FRONT OF YOU. SORRY PULL THE MIGRANT MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF YOU. MY NAME IS THE THOUGHT SOUTHERN AND PRESIDENT OF THE MONTGOMERY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. UH ON WHOSE BEHALF I'M SPEAKING TODAY ALREADY, AND WE'LL JUST DO YOU SWEAR. AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. JUST ARE YOU ALSO MY GOVERNMENT? YOUR GOVERNMENT RESIDENT ALSO RIGHT? I AM. DO YOU HAVE YOUR ADDRESS? 4500 LANE, SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY 08558. THANKS. THANK YOU. SHALL I GO AHEAD, PLEASE? OKAY, UM SO WE HAVE REVIEWED THE CONTRACT THAT WAS PROVIDED BETWEEN ARBOR TERRACE, PRINCETON AND MEDICAL TRANSPORTATION INC DATED APRIL 6TH 2023. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS CONTRACT IS INADEQUATE. TO SERVICE THE VOLUME. AND TYPE OF MEDICAL CALLS THAT ONE CAN EXPECT FROM AN 80 UNIT ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE FACILITY. A LAYMAN'S SUMMARY OF THE CONTRACT. WHICH CAN BE CANCELED WITHIN 30 DAYS. 
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IS THAT THE FACILITY WILL CALL ABLE AND ENABLE WILL COME IF THEY CAN AS THE CHAIRMAN POINTED . SPECIFICALLY ONE B OF THE CONTRACT SAYS SERVICE ABLE IN A PROMPT SERVICE A L IN A PROMPT MANNER REGARDING EMERGENCIES AND UNSCHEDULED DEMANDS WHEN AVAILABLE. THE WHEN AVAILABLE IS UNDERLINED. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE? FOR THE PLANNING BOARDS INFORMATION. IN THE 12 MONTH PERIOD ENDING FEBRUARY 28 2023 70% OVER 70% OF THE GOALS FROM STONEBRIDGE. 2911 . BOTH OR NON EMERGENCY CALLS. PRIMARY REASON BEING ABLE WAS NOT AVAILABLE. CARRY A CLINIC. 
          ANOTHER NEW JERSEY LIKE HEALTH LICENSE FACILITY. ALSO FACES THE SIMILAR ISSUE. OVER 70% OF THEIR CALLS TO 911. IN THE 12 MONTH PERIOD ENDING MARCH 31 2023 WITH A NON EMERGENCY CALLS. WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY BOTH FACILITIES. THAT THE WHEN THE WEIGHT IS SEVERAL HOURS LONG. OR THE AMBULANCE CAN ONLY COME THE NEXT DAY. THEY CALLED 911. CONSEQUENTLY, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS SERVICE PROVIDER IS OVERWHELMED. BY THE EXISTING CALL VOLUME. WHAT WE HAD EXPECTED TO SEE IN THE CONTRACT. WAS. ONE THE DEFINITION OF EMERGENCY CALLS, MIRRORING THE DEFINITION IN MONTGOMERY'S CODE, 3 19. WHICH MIRRORS DEFINITION N. J S A 26 GOLAN TWO K DASH 78. 
          TWO. WHETHER THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE PROVIDER WILL BE STATIONING VEHICLES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE FACILITY. THREE. THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD SERVICE THE FACILITY. 
          FOUR. THE MAXIMUM WAIT TIME FOR THE PATIENT UNTIL THE VEHICLE ARRIVES ON THE SCENE. FIVE. 
          PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS. ESPECIALLY IF THE PATIENT IS NOT ABLE TO COVER EXPENSES. SIX. A LONG TERM CONTRACT. SEVEN. REMEDIAL PROVISIONS IN CASE RESPONSE TIMES ARE NOT MET. AND. EIGHT BACKUP PLANS IN CASE THIS PRIVATE AMBULANCE PROVIDER IS UNABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE IN A TIMELY MANNER. IN A STATEMENT MADE ON 20 MARCH 27 2023 IN FRONT OF THIS PLANNING BOARD. 
          BPS STATED THAT THE CONTRACT THEY SIGNED HAS FULL DETAILS, INCLUDING RESPONSE TIMES IN A 50 PAGE CONTRACT. INSTEAD, WHAT WAS PROVIDED IS A TWO PAGE CONTRACT LACKING IN DETAILS. WE BELIEVE THAT MONTGOMERY E. M S WILL BE GETTING A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF CALLS FROM THIS HEALTH LICENSE FACILITY. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BECAUSE WE DO NOT SEE EVIDENCE OF PROVIDING FOR ADEQUATE AMBULANCE SERVICES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW WE'RE IN PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THAT. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN FOR THEIR JUST STATE. YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. CLIFF STANFIELD. I APPRECIATE THE TESTIMONY OF THE VOLUNTARY M S. I WANTED TO FIRST CLARIFY THE TWO COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING COMPARED TO OUR COMMUNITY OR DIFFERENT. THE FIRST COMPARISON WAS CARRIER. WHICH IS ACTUAL BEHAVIORAL MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY, WHICH HAS A HIGHER LEVEL OF ACUITY AND CARE THAN A ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE. SECOND STONEBRIDGE HAS A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY, SO IT IT HAS 
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EVEN A HIGHER LEVEL OF ACUITY AND HEALTH REQUIREMENTS THAN WE WOULD AND WE WOULD NOT BE LICENSED AS A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY. AND THEN DIRECTLY WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR RESEARCH ON TRYING TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CARE. WE WENT TO THE MONTGOMERY E. M S WEBSITE. WHICH LISTS THE 10 MOST FREQUENT CALL TYPES. NUMBER 1 15% OF ALL CALLS ARE RELATED TO A FALL VICTIM, WHICH I THINK WE SATISFY AS AN OPERATOR HAVING AN RN NURSE 24 7. THAT WOULD BE AN INSTRUCTION BY OUR STAFF. TO CALL OUR THIRD PARTY AMBULATORY SERVICE. NUMBER TWO IS CHEST PAIN AND CARDIAC AT 8.7. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE CAN ALL APPRECIATE THAT OUR R N WOULD TAKE A PULSE AND IDENTIFY THE CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENT. BUT 911 WOULD BE THE SAFEST BET AT THAT POINT IN TIME BEFORE HAVING FULL CARDIAC ARREST. NUMBER TWO NUMBER THREE. WE HAVE RESPIRATORY AND BREATHING LISTED ON THE WEBSITE AT MONTGOMERY M. S, AND THAT'S 7.8% OF ALL CALLS. THAT CHOOSE. 
          WE KNOW WHEN SOMEONE GOES INTO A RESPIRATORY ISSUE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, RN WOULD WOULD PROVIDE CARE AND THEN CALL 911. CAN I ASK 911? THEN WHO COMES WHO IS WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION WHEN THEY CALL 911 WHO'S SHOWING UP MONTGOMERY M. S AS A TAXPAYER POTENTIAL TAXPAYER IN MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. AT THAT POINT, I CANNOT RELY ON A THIRD PARTY AMBULATORY SERVICE TO PROVIDE CARDIAC CARE AT THAT SPEED. WE WILL CALL BOTH. BUT WE WILL. WE WILL ALSO CALL 911. ARE YOU AWARE THAT TMS IS 100% VOLUNTEER AND 100? I AM JUST LIKE A RESIDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT. IF THEY HAVE A CARDIAC ARREST, WHO WOULD THEY CALL? I THINK WE AS A TAXPAYER AND A AND A TAXPAYER DOESN'T PAY E M S. I'M NOT SURE. WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE WHEN? WHEN I WAS JUST THE FIRST TIME E M S CAME UP. THEY SAID HEY, LISTEN, WE'RE MAXED OUT. WE CAN'T COVER WHAT WE'VE GOT. AND I PERSONALLY HAVING CALLS, YOU KNOW, SITTING DOWN WISDOM BRIDGE WITH CARRIER WITH HILLSBOROUGH WERE ABLE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SITTING AND R. E. M S IS STILL 100% VOLUNTEER. 
          UNDERSTAND IS STILL ATTACKS AND THEY ARE, UM VERY STRESSED AT THE MOMENT. SO THEY CAME IN AND SAID HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE KIND OF ON YOUR OWN. BECAUSE WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY AMBULATORY SERVICE, AND I THINK I THINK AT THIS POINT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A NEED TO TRY TO TEAR DOWN THAT CONTRACT AND AS A BUSINESS OWNER IS NOT IN MY BEST INTEREST TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN'T PROVIDE ADEQUATE CARE. SO I WILL IF THAT AMBULATORY SERVICE DOESN'T PERFORM AND LEGALLY UNDER MY UNDER MY RESIDENT AGREEMENTS, I'M GOING TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST AND BEST LEVEL OF CARE AND I WILL FIND AN ALTERNATE. PROVIDER BUT I THINK FOR THE DISCUSSION HERE IT IS. THAT WHATEVER WHAT WE'RE LETTING YOU KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE AN RN ON STAFF 24 7, AND WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF PROVIDING CARE AND WE WON'T TAKE THE RISK OF COMING TO MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP. UNLESS WE DO OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE, WHICH IS WE HAVE THIRD PARTY AT EVERY TOWNSHIP THAT WE DEVELOP IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO HAVE AN INSURANCE POLICY ON OUR END TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PROVIDE THAT CARE. AND AS I WOULD GO DOWN THE LIST HERE. THERE'S ONLY OF THOSE THREE HIGHEST ONES. THE NEXT ONE WAS MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH , WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. NOBODY DRIVES IN OUR BUILDING, AND THAT'S IT. 5.4% THEREAFTER EVERYTHING LISTED UNDER THE MONTGOMERY E. M S THAT THEY ARE UNDER BURDEN WITH. WE'RE RESORTING TO HAVING RN HANDLE IN HOUSE, SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT CARDIAC ARREST. 
          ANY ANY RESPIRATORY BREATHING ISSUES AND A MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH. AND ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE THE ARBITRARINESS OF MONTGOMERY IS NOT STONE BRIDGE IN THE FORM OF CARE, MEANING WE DO NOT PROVIDE SKILLED NURSING. WE ARE ALSO NOT CARE CLINIC, WHICH IS A BEHAVIORAL MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY, SO IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARE NEEDS THERE. AND UM IT'S YOU KNOW, BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE ALWAYS PROVIDE THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND WE APPRECIATE ITS VOLUNTEER, BUT WE'RE ALSO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALSO COMING TO THE BOARD WITH THE FACT THAT WE ARE HIRING A THIRD PARTY CONTRACT SERVICE. MR STANFIELD. I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I ACTUALLY DO REMEMBER ALSO THE LAST HEARING AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU OR WHOEVER HAD TESTIFIED THAT THE CONTRACT YOU'D BE COMING TO US WITH WOULD BE A VERY SPECIFIC SIGNIFICANT CONTRACT WITH TIMES, ETCETERA. UM AND THAT IS NOT THIS. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A TWO PAGE CONTRACTS SO WHAT DID HAPPEN TO THAT CONTRACT? FIRST OF ALL, SECOND OF ALL, WHEN IT COMES TO STONEBRIDGE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN , YOU GUYS BROUGHT THAT UP. TWO HOURS AGO, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING 
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ABOUT ABLE AMBULANCE, I THINK IT IS FAIR TO COMPARE. STONEBRIDGE WITH YOU KNOW, WITH WITH YOUR BRIDGES OF YEAH, IT'S A CONTINUING CARE COMMUNITY PROVIDES SKILLED NURSING, SO WE DON'T PROVIDE SKILLED NURSING, WHICH IS ABOUT 35 ROOMS OUT OF I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OR IT'S DOWN BRIDGE, AND MOST OF IT IS, UM, INDEPENDENT OR ASSISTED LIVING. SO WILL THERE BE A MORE ROBUST CONTRACT PRESENTED OR OR IS THIS IT IS OUR PROVIDER THAT WE'VE SELECTED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO FIND ANOTHER ALTERNATE CONTRACT. BUT THIS THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE IN AND THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME. I CAN'T ASK ANOTHER COMPANY TO DRAFT CONTRACT SPECIFIC BUT IF THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE TAGGED TO IT AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE CONTRACT, IT'S IN MY BEST INTEREST TO SATISFY THE BOARD IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE DO THIS VERY WELL. 
          AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE THAT LEVEL OF CARE AND SATISFY WHAT YOUR CONCERN WOULD BE. I'D BE HAPPY TO ASK ABLE TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW HOURS, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION OF THAT. UM AND OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW YOUR BUSINESS YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW A LOT OF FACILITIES, SO I THINK WE APPRECIATE THAT. UM BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT OUR M S IS SAYING THAT YOU KNOW MORE THAN 70% OF THEIR CALLS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EMERGENCIES ARE NOT. SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH THIS FACILITY? IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION, SO YEAH, AND I'VE BEEN MY RHETORICAL ANSWER WOULD BE I CAN'T QUALIFY OF THE CALLS MADE AT THE POINT IN TIME WHERE THEY 70% IDENTIFIED AS A NEED FOR 911. AND IT'S GONNA GRATEFUL THAT THEY PROBABLY WERE NOT, AND I WOULD SAY THAT OUR BUSINESSES RUN DIFFERENTLY THAN STONEBRIDGE . I'M NOT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR OPERATIONS. I'M NOT THERE . I'M NOT THERE, OPERATOR OR OWNER. I KNOW ARBOR TERRACE, AND I KNOW HOW WE OPERATE. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A NURSE 24 7 ON STAFF TO MITIGATE THIS LEVEL OF CALL, AND THAT'S HOW WE SATISFY THAT, AND OUR TEAM IS HAS A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF TRAINING. UM MATTER OF FACT, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE SOME DATA FROM ADJACENT SOME OTHER ADJACENT, HARBORED TERRORISTS AS IF THAT WAS FAIR. YOU COULD SHARE WITH US THE CONTRACTS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE AMBULANCE PROVIDERS THERE. AND SHOW US THAT THERE WASN'T A SIMILAR ONE HERE. THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT WELL, WE HAVE TO FIND A CONTRACT THAT'S IN THIS AREA THAT HAS. THAT'S WHY ABEL WAS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FROM THE OTHER GROUP. WE REFERENCED THAT WE HAVE AT BASKIN RIDGE. THEY DO BUSINESS TOGETHER SO HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU IT'S IN BOTH OUR BEST INTERESTS, AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE RESPONSE TIME. WE WOULD LIKE. KIND MR. STANFORD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AGAIN. YOU KNOW THAT YOUR BUSINESS IS TO HAVE THAT RN ON STAFF AND THAT THAT ARE ENDS JOB IS TO ASSESS SITUATIONS AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER 911 IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO OR WHETHER SOMEONE A RESIDENT CAN WAIT FOR THE ABLE AMBULANCE TO COME AND GET THEM. AND AS YOU SAID BEFORE, 15% OF ALL THE CALLS TO THE CURRENT CALLS TO THE MONTGOMERY M S IS THERE FALLS, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE ROUTED OR TRIAGE OR TAKEN CARE OF BY AN RN ON STAFF RATHER THAN CALLING A 911. CORRECT THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT REALLY SEPARATES OUR BUSINESS PLAN FROM ANYONE ELSE IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY IS THAT FACT THAT WE HAVE AN RN ON STAFF 24 7 AND CAN IT IS A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL WHO MAKES, UH SPLIT DECISIONS AND UNDERSTANDS THE PERSON INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR DIETARY CONCERNS. THEIR NUTRITION NEEDS THEIR HEALTH THEIR PREVIOUS HEALTH. UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL 911. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF THESE? SORRY, HAVE A NUMBER OF THESE BUSINESSES AROUND THE COUNTRY, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YOU MUST HAVE SOME IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE PER YEAR OR PER MONTH. YOU WILL BE TRANSPORTING. I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE A COUPLE. UM SO AT THE ARBITRARINESS MOUNTAINSIDE. PREVIOUS MONTH THEY HAD TO RESIDENTS THAT WENT OUT. TWO OR 911, BUT THE TOWNSHIP REQUIRES THEN TO CALL 911 AT THAT TOWNSHIP. HARBOR TERRORIST MIDDLETOWN. SIX RESIDENTS WENT OUT ONLY TWO OR 911 AND FOUR WERE DESIGNATED AS MEDICAL TRANSPORT UNDER THE THIRD PARTY AGREEMENT, AND THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO THE FACT THE WAY WE RUN AND TRAIN OUR TEAM MEMBERS. THE RN MADE THE DECISION AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD RELY ON THE THIRD PARTY AMBULATORY SERVICE. I HOPE THAT HELPED ANSWER ARE THEY LISTENING? SIZE BIGGER, SMALLER. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          TRADITIONAL YOU'LL SEE A SISTER LIVING MEMORY CARE RANGE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 79 95 UNITS. 
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THIS ONE WAS ORIGINALLY 120 AT THREE STORIES, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED IT TO BE TWO STORIES SO THAT WE WOULD NOT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY. GREAT. AND THE CIRCLE BACK THAT THIS IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE ZONE. CORRECT, MR STANFIELD. THAT'S RIGHT, AND IT'S I THINK THAT IT'S PERMITTED UP TO 120 BEDS. YOU DECIDED THAT 80 MADE MORE SENSE IN THIS SITUATION. YES BECAUSE IT IT WAS THE MAN. IT WAS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT. WE COULD SATISFY OUR BUSINESS PLAN BUT ALSO NOT IMPACT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU YOUR FACILITIES TO HAVE A AMBULANCE AVAILABLE. WE ARE. WE DON'T HAVE AN AMBULANCE ON SITE. WE HAVE A THIRD PART. WE THIRD PARTY AGREEMENT WITH EVERY THIRD PARTY AMBULATORY SERVICE, SO WE DON'T WE DON'T PHYSICALLY HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT OPERATE AN AMBULANCE. THEY DON'T HAVEN'T THANK YOU. OKAY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO'S NEXT? WHATEVER. GOOD EVENING, FRANCINE FEFFER FIVE MYSTIC DRIVE. SKILLMAN DO YOU NEED TO SWEAR ME INTO YOU SWEAR FROM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. I DO. THANK YOU. I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING MARRIED OR SOMETHING. UM, I IN SPITE OF MR STANFIELD. IS THAT YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY. STANFIELD IN SPITE OF MR STAN FIELDS TESTIMONY JUST NOW I AM STILL CONCERNED THAT OUR ALL VOLUNTEER E. M S THAT DOES NOT AFFECT MY TAXES MAY BE STRESSED, AND WE MAY NEED TO MOVE TO A PAID AMBULANCE SERVICE, WHICH WILL NOT PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR RESIDENTS. ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET WHO I BELIEVE IS HERE. HIS FAMILY IS M S, AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE KNOWING THAT IT IS MY VERY NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD COME TO ME. 
          UM ON A DIFFERENT MATTER OR BACK TO THIS. THIS THING YOU ARE I REALLY FEEL THIS IS SHOEHORNING A BUSINESS INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I DO FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE PARKING, BUT JUST IN CASE THERE IS NO PLACE FOR OVERFLOW PARKING . IF THE PEARL BUILDING WHICH I JUST LEARNED, WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE BUSINESSES IF THAT WAS ZONED FOR BUSINESS. THERE WOULD BE SPACE FOR OVERFLOW PARKING. BUT THERE IS NO PARKING ON HARTWICK. THAT MEANS THAT I LIVE ON THE FIRST STREET TO THE RIGHT WITH SOME OF THESE FOLKS HERE AND IF FOR SOME REASON, FOR INSTANCE, A SHIFT CHANGE IF THERE IS OVERFLOW PARKING THERE, IT WILL HAVE TO GO ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WHICH ARE MY STREETS, WHICH ARE ALSO PRIVATELY OWNED ROADS. WHICH MEANS THAT THE BUSINESS IS GOING TO COST MY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION MONEY. UM ALSO, I AM ALSO CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE MAY IGNORE THAT AND MAY JUST GO PARK ON THESE PRIVATE ROADS. UM THERE IS LIMITED PARKING BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE PARKING ON ONE STREET ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WHEN I HAD PASSED OVER AND I HAD 18 PEOPLE AT MY HOUSE PEOPLE HAD TO TREK UP THE HILL. SO IN THE CASE THAT THERE IS OVERFLOW PARKING IS ARBOR GLEN THAT YOU KEEP ON MENTIONING BASKING RIDGE THAT'S NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL ONLY ZONE THAT'S OFF A HIGHWAY WHERE YOU CAN PROBABLY PARK ON THE GRASS IF NEEDED. BUT IF THERE IS OVERFLOW PARKING ONE DAY IS ARBOR GLEN GOING TO SETTLE MY 88 YEAR OLD MOTHER UP THE HILL SO SHE CAN COME INTO MY HOUSE OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? I REALLY DON'T SEE HOW THAT WILL BE HELPED. I'M ALSO CONCERNED. UM YOU MENTIONED 14 PEOPLE PER STAFF. YOUR APPLICATION, SAID 15 PEOPLE AVERAGE PER STAFF. WHETHER IT'S 14 OR 15, THE SHIFT AREAS THREE O'CLOCK, WHICH WILL HAVE DOUBLE PARKING BECAUSE IT'S SHIFT CHANGE TIME IS WHEN BUSSES START ARRIVING IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND AROUND 3 15 3 30 . THEY CONTINUE AND THERE IS A HIGH SCHOOL BUS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND AGAIN. THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE . THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN 10 LIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS AREA. THERE IS NO EXTRA GRASS TO PARK ON AS THERE IS WHEN YOU'RE A BUSINESS ON THE SIDE OF TWO OH, SIX. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE PARK ON GRASSES AT THOSE BUSINESSES. 
          THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THERE IS NO PLACE ELSE TO PARK. THERE'S NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION EXCEPT FOR ON 206. SO I BELIEVE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WILL NEED TO BE PARKING IN THAT LOT. I DO FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT. BUT YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU. YOU YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A TIME WHEN YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE MORE PARKING AND SO IN. I'M SORRY, AND THAT IS THAT'S THREE MINUTES. SO YEAH, I WASN'T INTERRUPTING FOR THAT. I APOLOGIZE. I WAS JUST THERE WERE SOME SLIDES BEING SHOWN. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THEY WERE THESE EXHIBITS. I JUST WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING, AND THAT'S THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS. 
          THOSE ARE NOT MINE, NOT MINE. THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THE PRO LOT WHO IN THE PAROLE BUILDING WHO ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS, AND I JUST SEE THAT THIS IS JUST THIS IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND THERE'S THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS ZONE. AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THANK YOU. BUT WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I'M SORRY. 
          THAT GENTLEMAN. I UH EXCUSE ME. THEN YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MIKE. WE NEED TO SWEAR INTO. WHO 
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ARE YOU, SIR? JUST MEET BETTY AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. MYSTIC DRIVE, SKILLMAN. ALRIGHT. SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO EXPLAIN WHAT AND SOMETHING ELSE HAS BEEN HANDED OUT. WHAT ARE THE IDEA? DID YOU PREPARE THIS? YES THE HILLSIDE AT MONTGOMERY RESIDENTS CONCERNED CORRECT ON THE LEFT. I THINK MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC YOU SEE SITTING OR RESIDENTS OF THE HILLSIDE COLLECTIVELY HAVE PREPARED A FEW COMMENTS HERE. WHEN YOU SAY COLLECTIVELY DO YOU LIVE AT HILLSIDE AT MONTGOMERY? IS THAT WHAT YOU DO YOU LIVE IN. MONTGOMERY IS A COMMUNITY NAMED COVERING VILLAGE MISTAKE. 
          HARDWICK DID YOU PREPARE THIS DOCUMENT? CHECK THE PHOTOS. YOU WROTE THE TEXT. OKAY. WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN, UM, I THINK THE BOARD CAN ACCEPT IT. IF THIS GENTLEMAN IS GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO INTERJECT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TOWN IS PROTECTED HERE IS THAT IF HE SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTS HAS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HIMSELF RIGHT? HE LIVE IN HILLSIDE OF MONTGOMERY THAT HE PREPARED. DID HE TAKE THE PHOTOS? AND HE SAID BUT BUT BUT HE'S PRESENTING THIS AS IF EVERYONE HERE IS PRESENTING THIS EVIDENCE. I I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER HE SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE HERE, BUT HE DOESN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT. HE CAN SPEAK ON HIS OWN BEHALF TONIGHT. AND IS THAT SIR, YOU'RE SPEAKING ON YOUR OWN BEHALF? CORRECT ON MY BEHALF, AND WHAT I HEARD FROM MR CHAIRMAN IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS. 
          THEY WILL COME OVER HERE. THANK YOU AGREE WITH THAT, SO THAT YOU KNOW, DISSIPATES BEST INTERESTS OF EVERYBODY'S TIME. WHY DON'T WE CALL THIS EXHIBIT ONE IN THE PAST? YOU WOULD EXPLAIN. WHAT WHAT IF I COULD DISPLAY THAT OVER THE SCREEN NOW THE BOARD FOR THIS TO BE DISPLAYED IT'S CONNECTED. PROBABLY GOT THIS CONNECTED LEE HOLD ON ONE SECOND TO REPEAT IT. I MEAN, I JUST WOULD SAY IT TO PROTECT THE TOWN IN MY IN MY VIEW THAT HE SHOULD BE SPEAKING ON HIS OWN BEHALF IS , PAUL SAYS ON THAT SLIDE THAT IT'S ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE ELSE. I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT CONSIDERED, OKAY? WHY? WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? UM LET'S LET'S HOLD OFF. LET'S HOLD OFF ON PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE SCREEN BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS IN WHAT YOU JUST HANDED OUT. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND COPY OF THIS TO YOU. I'M SORRY. CAN I HANDLE IT? A COPY OF THIS TO YOU? SOMEONE ALREADY DID SOMEBODY YOU GOT IT. PERFECT THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST TALK ABOUT YEAH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COPY FOR TONY? SO PLEASE, COULD WE JUST GET YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M SPELLING J S M E T LAST NAME IS BETTY B D AS IN DELTA, I MR. BERRY. I REALLY WOULD JUST REALLY REQUEST THAT YOU JUST SPEAK ABOUT YOURSELF CAN THEN COME UP AND SAY I SUPPORT, MR PG SAID. SO UM, I LEFT RIGHT ON MYSTIC DRIVE, WHICH IS THE THIRD LOT, WHICH WAS SHOWN IN THE DIAGRAM BY THE BUILDERS. UM WE'RE NOTICING ANYWAY, SINCE WE MOVED HERE THAT INCREASING TRAFFIC, SO ONE OF THE POINTS, WHICH I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THE CURRENT STATE. AT THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS THE EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC FLOW. UM THERE IS. THERE ARE CONGESTIONS DURING THE PEAK SCHOOL BUS HOURS. MIKE IN FRONT OF YOU. SORRY. MOVE IT DOWN IF YOU WANT. THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. YEAH. AH PEOPLE PARKING AT THE ROADSIDE ON VILLAGE DRIVING HARD, QUICK DRIVER IS PRETTY COMMON BECAUSE ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD ALLOWS FOR STREET PARKING. UM NONE OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT NOW HAVE VISITOR PARKING. AND BECAUSE OF THIS DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS THERE IS AND THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES ON THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS THAT THERE IS IMMENSE TRAFFIC OF THE PARENTS DROPPING OFF THE KIDS AND BUSSES MULTIPLE BUSSES BECAUSE OF THE WAY MONTGOMERY SCHOOL DISTRICTS PRETTY MUCH FOR YOU KNOW, 3 TO 4 SCHOOLS. THERE ARE BUSSES THERE , SO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT WE SEE AS A FUTURE STATE HERE. IS A HIGH PROBABILITY OF INCREASED COMMERCIAL EMERGENCY AND VISITOR VEHICLES BECAUSE OF THIS FACILITY. UM THERE IS LIMITED PARKING OF PROPOSALS IS STILL DOING WHICH WE JUST HEARD HAS DROPPED DOWN TO 40. UM ALSO , I HEARD 14 EMPLOYEES. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT STAFF INCLUDES 
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CONTRACTORS. WHO WILL PROBABLY BE DRIVING IN THEIR CARS. UM SO NOT SURE IF 14 PLUS ACTS WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE 40 SPOTS, WHICH WILL BE TAKEN UM, THE NEXT POINT IS THE GROWING SAFETY CONCERNS. UM HIGH VOLUME OF RESIDENT CHILDREN'S REGARDLESS TO SCHOOL HOURS OR SEEN IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY PLAYING. THERE ARE PLAYGROUNDS THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE PICTURES WE'RE SHOWING CHILDREN'S PLAYING AND ADULTS LOITERING ON HEARTBREAK DRIVER NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS DUE TO LACK OF RECREATION OPTIONS OF THE APARTMENTS RIGHT ACROSS THE PROPERTIES ANYWAYS, AT A HIGH RISE, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THAT. ALSO WE HEARD IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING ABOUT THE TRASH LOCATION, THE 4 TO 5 LOTS WHICH ARE ON ON THE MYSTIC DRIVE . IF THE TRASH DUMPSTER OF THIS FACILITY IS ON THE LEFT THAT CREATES SOME ISSUES FOR THE OLDER RESIDENTS, BUT I'M SPEAKING ON MY BEHALF, 14 MISTAKES WILL GET THAT ISSUE. I THINK THOSE WERE THE KEY CONCERNS ON THE SHEET. YOU WILL ALSO SEE SOME OF THE STATISTICS ON THE NUMBER OF HOMES GROWING IN THE AREA. FOR APARTMENTS AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO THAT WAS MY THAT WAS MY REQUEST HERE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR BEATTY. AND MISS CASEY, JUST FOR THE RECORD DID DID WE MARK THAT INTO EVIDENCE? SIR ONE MOMENT. UM YES , WE DID. OBJECTOR EXHIBIT ONE. AND THEN, UH, WE DIDN'T DID WE MARK THE PAGES SEPARATELY OR TOGETHER TOGETHER? WE HAVE TWO PAGES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. MY NAME IS THREE. I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS THREE. I LIVED IN 10 MISTAKE DRY. SO YOU CAN ENSURE THE MAP. HOLD ON. WE NEED WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU REALLY? DID YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. SO I AGREE WITH. FRANCINE JUST MEET E. M S. 
          SO WE ARE ALL AFFECTED, SO I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND, LIKE 10 MYSTIC DRIVE. SO I MEAN, THIS IS A BUSINESS FACILITY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CONSTRUCTIONS THAT HAPPENING IN THAT AREA ONE SQUARE MILE. SO IT'S GONNA AFFECT, LIKE INCREASE THE TRAFFIC. FOR THE SAFETY. SO . I WOULD LIKE TO SAY NO TO THE CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. HELLO THIS IS GONNA WORK. CHATA THREE. COMSTOCK CLEAN SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY. SAME COMMUNITY AS THE FOLKS EARLIER THREE FOLKS STAY ONE STREET NORTH OF THEM SO LIBERAL, LESS IMPACT TO MY STRAIGHT COMPARATIVE TO THEIRS. 
          IF YOU WILL. TRAFFIC WISE LET YOU SPRAYED ME IN. PLEASE DO YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THOUGHTFUL. THANK YOU. SO ONE IS A COMMENT FOR THE BOARD PER SE. 
          THE FIRST COMMENT IS LIKE I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE AGENDA. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID IT. IT'S PRETTY POORLY SET BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I WORK FOR A FORMAL COMPANY. IF I WAS SETTING AGENDAS TO SPEND, NOT FOLLOWING IT ALL BE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE. ITEM THREE CLEARLY SAYS AFTER SALUTE TO THE FLAG WILL BE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THERE'S NO FOOTNOTE. THERE'S THIS SIDE NOTE . THERE IS NO DISCRIMINATION WILL BE THAT PUBLIC DISCUSSION RIGHT AFTER THE SUPER ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA. SORRY FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEMS MISSING, SO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE IN PUBLIC INTEREST IN TRANSPARENCY SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR WHAT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED? SO THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT. UM NOW GOING BACK TO THE I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID EARLIER. BUT THERE'S A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE NOTED HERE. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT TRAFFIC , AND THERE'S BEEN TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT ABOUT HOW MANY CARS PASSING 5 18. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T DONE THE STUDY, SO I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER TO CHALLENGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, HAS IT A STUDY BEEN DONE BY THE BOARD HERE TO FIND OUT HOW MANY NEAR MISSES HAVE HAPPENED ON 5 18 AND VILLAGE DRIVE. IN THE PAST ONE OF THE YEARS EVER SINCE. ALL THE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN GOING ON, BECAUSE AS RESIDENTS WE HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN A NUMBER OF TIMES THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS ON RELIGION. 5 18 HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS AND SIX AND 5 18 YOU TALK TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY SAYS THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN PUSHED ONTO 5 18. THERE'S NO PLANS FOR EXPANSION THAT RIGHT SO WITHOUT DOING THAT. WE 
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ARE THE BORDERS, BASICALLY ALLOWING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GROUND AND PUSHING ALL THIS TRAFFIC ONTO 5 18 AND IN THIS CASE, BEING A COMMERCIAL KIND OF BUSINESS. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BOX TRUCKS COMING SEVERAL TIMES A DAY. YOU LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. WE SEE BOX TRUCKS ON DELIVERIES EVERY SO OFTEN, BUT NOT WE'RE ANTICIPATE THIS LEVEL OF VOLUME GROWING UP AND ALREADY BECAUSE I WAS A PRIVATE STATE AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC MOVES TO THE PRIVATE CITY OF TRYING TO TURN AROUND WHEN IT'S NOT EASY FOR THEM TO TURN AROUND EASILY. YOU KNOW, I'M REQUESTING YOU THAT KEEPING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OUR CHILDREN'S SAFETY IN MIND THAT THIS PROJECT MAY NOT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. THANK YOU, CAN YOU I'M SORRY. 
          COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOUR CONCERN WAS WITH THE ITEMS? NOT ON THE AGENDA. I JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR AGENDA. CLEARLY STATES THAT AFTER SALUTE TO THE FLAG WILL BE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THAT WAS THERE'S NOTHING IN BETWEEN THE TWO. SO YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE YOU KNOW THIS IS THIS IS POORLY, SAID OH, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE RECEIVED . OKAY I'M SORRY. OKAY MY APOLOGIES. I THANK OUR AGENDA. AND I JUST REMEMBER THAT I SPECIFICALLY SAID IT IS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. I APPRECIATE SURE. WE UM WE WERE CONSISTENT WITH THAT SO ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY REALIZED RESIDENTS ARE HERE. WE'RE NOT PAID BY THE I'M SURE YOU ARE. WE'RE NOT YAHOO INTEREST OF PEOPLE'S TIME AND YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE SUPPORTING THE AGENDA FOR NOT GIVING THE PERMISSION. I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER FOR THE AGENDA. BUT ANYWAYS, I'LL LEAVE THAT ASIDE. SO I'VE ALREADY MADE MY REMARKS TO YOU. 
          I HOPE THE BOARD SEES THIS. REALLY FROM THE RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE. WE MOVED HERE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU CONTINUE TO HONOR THAT AND NOT PUSH COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION TO THE PICTURES THAT YOU SHOW YOU HAVE NOT MY PICTURE, SIR. SO I'LL LET THEM COMMENT ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. YES, PLEASE. MYSELF AND JAMES AND I AM ASKED, LIVING IN 16 MYSTIC DRIVE. OKAY PLEASE, JUST BEHIND THAT SWORN IN YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SO MANY PLEASE. I DIDN'T CATCH A NEW I'M SORRY. S E N. OKAY? MHM E V. YEAH YOUR LAST NAME DEAR. CAN YOU JUST SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE ME AT M E H E H T A MEDI EDVARD HENRY TOM APPLE. 
          OKAY SO I JUST FEEL LIKE, UH, LIKE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS LIKE WE ARE THE RESIDENTS THAT CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. AND SO MANY TREES ARE CUT. I FEEL THAT AREA SHOULD BE DEVELOPED JUST LIKE LIKE A GREEN AREA. ON THE HEARTBREAK DRIVE AT T O'CLOCK. PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING ON THEIR STROLLERS. YOU SEE THE TRAFFIC LIKE WE ARE PEOPLE LIVING. YOU WILL HEAR ONE DAY SOME EXPERIENCE HAPPEN. YOU COME AND YOU SEE THERE. SO MANY I DON'T WANT TO SAY, BUT SO MANY STROLLERS, SMALL KIDS THEY'RE PLAYING ON THE ROAD. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PLACE TO GO WHERE THEY COME TO MONGO LIKE HE SAID , IN OUR AREAS IN OUR PLAYGROUNDS BECAUSE TOWNSHIP DIDN'T GIVE ANY PLAYGROUND TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT LIKE 120 PEOPLE, AND EVERY HOME HAS LIKE 2 TO 33 KIDS. WHERE THOSE PEOPLE GO. THEY ARE ON THE STREETS. VILLAGE DRIVE HARD PICK. DRIVE THEY GO ALL THE WAY OF 5 18. THEY GO UP TO PRINCETON AIRPORT JUST ON THE WHEELCHAIRS. LIKE I DON'T DID ANYONE MUST BE BRAND MUST HAVE SEEN SEE IT IF YOU SEE THE HOW SOMEBODY WILL BE KILLED ONE DAY. AND YOU WILL HEAR IT. I TELL YOU, NO ONE KNOWS THE SITUATION REALLY LIVING IN FOR THE LAST YEAR, 10 YEARS PERSON WHO IS LIVING THERE, NOR THEIR ACTUAL FACT ANYONE. DOES ANYONE DENY. YOU SEE SO MANY KIDS ON THE STREETS, IT'S JUST LIKE BRONZE AND BROOKLYN. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE BAD WORDS, BUT THINK LIKE AND ONE WHO WILL BE THE CULPRIT. ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. AND I WILL JUST SAY AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD HERE OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A BOARD IS TO REVIEW AN APPLICATION. FOR AN APPROVED USAGE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE DO NOT RULE ON TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT AN 
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APPLICATION FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A WITHIN APPROVED USE. BUT WHY YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT? MY QUESTION IS THAT IT IS ALREADY IF YOU SEE THE NEXT, UH , NEXT TO THE AIRPORT SINCE 20 YEARS EVERY DAY, THE THINGS ARE CHANGING, LIKE ONE TIME, ONE TIME. A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. ONE TIME IT IS A PROMENADE. MY CAN'T YOU DO ALL THESE THINGS HERE? IF YOU GET THAT IS NOT IN THIS ONE. 
          OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. SINCE 20 YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI MY NAME IS ELLEN NUSSBAUM. 24 NORFOLK WAY. SKILLMAN YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA TALK INTO IT. MY NAME IS ELLEN NUSSBAUM. 24 NORFOLK WAY SKILLMAN, MA'AM. AND DO YOU SWEAR? AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU, UM. I KNOW THAT YOU ALL APPRECIATE MONTGOMERY IS A VERY UNIQUE COMMUNITY. MY FAMILY MOVED IN AROUND 1968, YOU KNOW? WAS IT EXTREMELY RURAL COMMUNITY ? I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TONIGHT AND HEARING THE DEVELOPERS. MAYBE LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO SPEAK OF. WE DON'T HAVE MUNICIPAL GARBAGE PICK UP. THIS IS NOT THE SAME COMMUNITY THAT I APPRECIATE. 
          DEVELOPERS OPERATE IN OTHER AREAS. EVEN IN NEW JERSEY. UM WE ARE STILL REALLY A SEMI RURAL COMMUNITY AND AS YOU KNOW, HALF THE TOWN, INCLUDING ME DOES NOT HAVE VERIZON SERVICES. WE DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY, UH, FOR CERTAIN SERVICES, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE WITH A THIRD PARTY AMBULANCE TRANSPORTATION. UH I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE STAFFING BREAKDOWN. 
          I THINK I HEARD THE NUMBER 14 EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE FOOD SERVICE. HOW MANY YOUR SECURITY AND HOW MANY ARE DIRECT PATIENT CARE AND IT WON'T LEVELS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. UM YOU KNOW, I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S NO MEDICAL DIRECTOR ON SITE, WHICH IS LEGITIMATE. THAT'S NOT A STATE REQUIREMENT. UH, BUT IN REALITY WHEN MEDICAL DIRECTION REMOTELY IS CONTACTED , THEY WERE ALWAYS SAY, CALL 911 . SO YOU KNOW, CAN THE RN ON SITE? THAT'S 24 7. CAN THEY PERFORM AN E K G AND READING E. K G AND DETERMINE IF CHEST PAIN IS REALLY CARDIAC IS REALLY YOU KNOW A CARDIAC CARDIAC ARREST AND CHEST PAIN OR TO COMPLETELY YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME. SO I QUESTION YOU KNOW, I JUST LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE STAFFING LEVELS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? HEY, MY NAME IS FRANK IT, KAREN. COULD YOU STOP THAT, PLEASE? V E. N. K 80. K I R A N WELCOME. STOCKLAND SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY CEREBRAL. 
          JUST SWEAR YOU IN. DO YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. SO THANKS FOR HEARING TO THE PUBLIC GRIEVANCES. AND ALSO LISTENING TO E. M S. ANTICIPATE SOME POSITIVE THINGS FROM THE BOARD. WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE THIS EVENING JUST TO THE HEARING TO THE GRIEVANCES. THERE ARE VALID CONCERNS BY THE RESIDENTS. ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. AS SUCH, I WOULD URGE THE TOWNSHIP OR THE PANEL. LOOK AT THE PICTURES. UH OF THE OF MY PRESIDENTS WHO HAVE COLLECTED I MEANING THAT THAT ADDS A LOT OF UH, COLOR TO THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. EVEN THOUGH LIKE WE HEARD FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THAT THERE ARE ONLY 20 VEHICLES. PART OF OUR DURING THE PEAK TIME. THAT SEEMS TO BE INCORRECT. UNLESS TOWNSHIP WANTS TO DO INDEPENDENT. SORRY. TO REALLY VALIDATE THAT THAT'S FIRST POINT. AND THE SECOND POINT IS, IF WE HAVE THE ASSISTED COMMUNITY LIVING THERE. AND ALSO THE SCHOOL BUSSES COMING AT THE SAME TIME. WHOM DO YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE KIDS VERSUS YOU KNOW ADULTS, MEANING HAVING TOO MANY THINGS AT ONE SINGLE SPACE. IT'S TOO MUCH LIKE WE HAVE A REAL COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. WE HAVE. TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TOWN HOUSES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LEAST 22,000 PEOPLE LIVING 
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THERE. AND AROUND 500. HOUSEHOLDS AT LEAST SO HAVING CONSIDERING ALL THESE THINGS, I THINK THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD REALLY DO AN INDEPENDENT SURVEY. DRAW SOME INTUITIONS. DO SOME METRICS AND TAKE DECISION WHICH WILL HELP THE KIDS OF MONTGOMERY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HAMAD AND TURKER. I'M A RESIDENT OF INSIDE IN MONTGOMERY. A LIVER 81 HARTWICK DRIVIN SKILLMAN. SIR DO YOU SWEAR? AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES, THANK YOU. I LIVE AT THE FAR END, YOU KNOW, RIGHT RIGHT AT THE BACK ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF HIS SIDE, SO I'M NOT REALLY AFFECTED BY THE NOISE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT, BUT I JUST FEEL THAT, UM A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING PLACE IN OUR AREA IN THE SENSE THAT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN, UM, UH, CONGESTION THAT'S INCREASING DUE TO ALL THOSE NEW CONSTRUCTIONS SO AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SOMETIMES I'VE SEEN IT A LOT WORSE. AH YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN A KID ALMOST CROSSED OVER WHEN I WAS DRIVING. I WAS DRIVING SLOW, SO THAT WAS OKAY. BUT WHAT? WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION AT ALL. I'VE SEEN THAT A LOT WORSE THAN THE PICTURES SUGGEST. UH SO I THINK THAT HAVING ANOTHER ASSISTED LIVING WOULD BE, UH, SORT OF ADDING TO THE TRAFFIC IN SOME WAY. UM THE OTHER THING IS, I ALSO AGREE WITH MR JASMEET BEDI , AND HE'S ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE MYSTIC DRIVE RESIDENTS WOULD GO THROUGH BECAUSE I THINK ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION ALL THESE YEARS THEY'VE SEEN A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS IS YET ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION THAT'S STARTING FOR THEM. I JUST THINK THAT THE CONGESTION AND INCREASE IN TRAFFIC PATTERNS, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT WE HAVE HERE. AH COULD ALSO IMPACT THE APPEAL OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE REGION IN GENERAL, EVEN THOUGH I LIVE ALL THE WAY AT THE BACK AND DON'T HAVE ANY SUCH ISSUES. I BELIEVE THAT THE OVERALL UH APPEAL OF THE REGION AS SUCH OF THE AREAS SUCH WOULD GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I JUST FEEL THAT, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER THIS THESE ASPECTS AS WELL BEFORE TAKING A DECISION. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING BOARD IS GARNISH AESTHETIC LITTLE BIT. I LIVE IN 25 MAY GOVERNMENT AH HILLSIDE COMMUNITY, SIR, WE'RE JUST GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN. DO YOU SWEAR FROM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES, THANK YOU. SO I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION IN THE PLAN. I DIDN'T SEE ANY WATER RETENTION BASIN. I'M ASSUMING THEY ARE GOING TO CONNECT TO THE HILLSIDE. OUR WATER RECOGNITION, BASING. INITIALLY IT WAS DESIGNED FOR US , RIGHT? AND THEN NOW THE TOWN HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IS ALSO UTILIZING THAT SO IF THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO USING THE SAME WATER RETENTION BASIN, ONE WAS A STUDY DONE, WHETHER THAT IS SUFFICIENT FOR IT OR NOT. AND TWO RIGHT NOW WE PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF IT. I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WHO IS GOING TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY, LIKE WILL THAT CITY? UH GET TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTAINING THE WATER RETENTION BASIS BECAUSE WE ARE ONE IN THE FRONT AND ONE IN THE BACK, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY CONNECTED. IF SOMETHING WORKFLOWS. HOW IS THAT MANAGED AND WHAT KIND OF STUDY HAS BEEN DONE? UH I WOULD ALL GOOD QUESTIONS. I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU GO ON THE TOWNSHIPS WEBSITE YOU AND YOU GO INTO THE PLANNING AREA. ALL OF THE REPORTS OF THAT THEY SUBMITTED AS WELL AS OUR PROFESSIONALS ARE ON THERE, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. I DO. OUR ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ENGINEER'S REPORT, AND IT GOES INTO VERY GOOD DETAIL ABOUT ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THE DETENTION BASIN. THE MAINTENANCE COSTS LIKE WHO'S GOING TO BEAR? OR IS IT GOING TO BE SHARED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEW SOMETHING'S ON THEIR PROPERTY? THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. SO, YEAH, IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY. SO WOULD THE THERE'S AN ATTENDANT. THERE'S A DETENTION BASIN ON THIS PROPERTY AND THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT? OKAY. IS THAT ONE ON THIS PROPERTY? OKAY. YEAH, AND THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S CONNECTED TO OURS, AND THEN IT WILL FLOW ALL THE WAY DOWN. I'LL PROBABLY GET 
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THE DETAILS FROM THE REALLY IT IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT BY BY OUR CONSULTANTS. SURE, WE LOOK AT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? COME ON UP. YEAH. HELLO MY NAME IS MOM TOMORROW TO 16 MYSTIC DRIVE. DO YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM AND TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. SO MICHAEL CONCERN IS AGAINST SIMILAR TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. CONCERN IS SIMILAR. 
          I THOUGHT MY VOICE IS STRONG. UM IT'S SIMILAR TO MOST OF US MAJORS. CONCERN IS TRAFFIC. UM I HAVE SEEN ON VILLAGE DRIVE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT TIMES. WE HAVE TO WAIT. EVEN NOW, MAYBE. AT TIMES FIVE MINUTES AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT DOESN'T GO GREEN, SO I SEE TRAFFIC JAM THERE. AT PEAK HOURS AND EVEN DURING THE DAY AT TIMES, OKAY. I SEE MORE ISSUES WHEN LET'S SAY, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES COMING DURING THAT TIME. AND THERE'S A HUGE LINE. THERE WILL BE. ISSUES WITH THE OTHER CONCERN IS THE. AFFORDABLE INCOME HOUSES THERE. THERE ARE KIDS PLAYING ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ALLOTTED. UH UM, PLAY AREA, SO YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE KIDS. THEY'RE GOING. THEY HAVE TO PLAY SOMEWHERE SO THAT THEY DID AND THIS FACILITY WE ARE MAKING RIGHT ACROSS. SO I FEEL THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR SAFETY CONCERN FOR THE KIDS. THAT'S THANK YOU. 
          HELLO HELLO. MY NAME IS ABHISHEK KUMAR. I AM LIVING IN 16. MCGOVERN LYNN SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY 08558. ALRIGHT WELL, JUST SWEAR YOU END YOU SWEAR. AFFIRM YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. SO I THINK MOST OF THE POINTS WHAT I HAD SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS I REMEMBER THAT I WILL NOT REPEAT ALL THOSE POINTS AGAIN. I PRETTY MUCH STAND WITH MY FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS OKAY, WHO HAVE ILLUSTRATED THE POINTS AND THE CONCERNS IN A VERY EFFICIENT WAY? I THINK THE JUST TO SUMMARIZE VERY QUICKLY. OKAY I THINK THE MAJOR CONCERN IS GOING TOWARDS YOU KNOW THE PARKING OKAY? HOW? HOW THAT IS GETTING IMPACTED. OKAY ANOTHER THING IS THE MADE. THE IMPORTANT THING IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THING IS THE PRIVACY OF THE PEOPLE WHO IS FACING THE BUILDING THE PRIVACY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE YOU KNOW, WITH WHICH THEY CAME AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND HOW WE WILL BE MAINTAINING THAT UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE KIDS? YOU KNOW HOW HOW WE WILL BE MANAGING THE YOU KNOW THE RISKS AND THE DANGER, WHICH IS SO MUCH OF VEHICLES. SO MUCH OF IN GOING OUTGOING VEHICLES ARE GOING TO MAKE. I THINK THESE ARE SOME OF THE SUMMARIZED POINTERS, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WHAT I THINK MY FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY TOLD SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MEMBERS HERE. CAN YOU KNOW? BOARD MEMBERS CAN, YOU KNOW? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND HELP US IN THE SITUATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. HI. I'M GURPREET BABY. I LIVE IN 14 MYSTIC DRIVE. INSIDE AND MA'AM, DO YOU SWEAR? AFFIRM THAT ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH ALL MY MEMBERS, WHATEVER THEY HAVE SAID. WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW THIS DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          HI I'M GOING THROUGH THE BOTTLER 10, MYSTIC DRIVER. I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THE COMMUNITY. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO A MICROPHONE? SORRY YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE. THREE GUY THREE RIGHT INTO THAT SUCKER TRICKLING OTHER BUTLER AND MYSTIC DRIVE. I ALREADY AM. DO YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM? ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. I DO . THANK YOU. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND I AGREE WITH THE ALL THE RESIDENTS, MY RESIDENCE AND ALSO WITH THE E. M S. UM MAINLY, MY CONCERN IS FOR THE SAFETY AT THE TIME OF SCHOOL BUSSES. UM RIGHT NOW WITH THE COVID. MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE DOING A TELEWORKING, WHICH IS PUREES, SO THE BOARD SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER ONE CITY SCHOOL. GO 
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BACK TO NORMAL IF EVERYBODY GOES TO ALL THE NUMBER OF DAYS THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE MORE RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE COMING UP SO. HI AND JAGDISH MONTELLA, RESIDENT OF 16, NEWPORT'S STREET, SKILLMAN. SO I'M PART OF LIKE THE HILLSIDE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT, SIR? JUST YOU SWEAR FOR MANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. I WANT TO, LIKE ECHO LIKE ALL THE FEEDBACK IS PROVIDED MY FELLOW LIKE HOMEOWNERS, SO ECHO THEM. BUT THE TRAFFIC IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIKE CONCERNED THAT EVERYBODY HAS BECAUSE THE PICTURE SHOWED WE CAN SEE LIKE IN THE MORNING. AND OTHER CONTENTS WON'T LIKE RAZORS, RIGHT? LIKE SOMEBODY SAID THAT, LIKE THE RATIO OF THE PACKING LOSS FOR THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE 0.5, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. LIKE IF THAT COMPARISON WAS LIKE IN A SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR LIKE AN A FACILITY, WHICH HAD LIKE ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SOMEBODY ACCORD. CLEARLY THERE IS NO LIKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO THE SLICK FACILITY, SO EVERYBODY WHO HAS TO COME HAS TO COME BY THEIR OWN PRIVATE VEHICLE. SO THE COMPARISONS USED WHERE THEY LIKE COMPARABLE TO THIS FACILITY OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I WOULD LIKE TO LIKE I KNOW THAT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. UM IF THE 0.5 IS IF WHAT WHAT IS THERE ANY, UM, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION CALCULATION IN THAT? SO WHILE THEY SPEAK WE HAD SOMEONE ELSE COMING UP. TALKING RIGHT INTO THAT MICROPHONE HIGH I'M HEMOGLOBIN DO AT MARIE AND I LIVE ON 21 MYSTIC DRIVE TO JERSEY AND MAN, DO YOU SWEAR FOR MANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE AWAY TRUTHFUL. THANK YOU. AND I DO AGREE WITH ALL THE CONCERNS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE REPRESENTED HERE AND ALSO BY BRINGING THIS COMMUNITY HERE IT DOES NOT HEALTHY. TOWNSHIP IN ANY WAY. SO I DO APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN TAKE A DEEPER LOOK INTO THIS AND SEE HOW BENEFICIAL IT IS TO PUT IT IN THE PLACE THAT IT IS THERE. MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WAS PLACED IN A DIFFERENT PLACE . YOU'RE NOT TELLING THAT WE DO NOT ENCOURAGE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO GET OLD AT SAME TIME, AND WE ALL NEED THE SERVICES. BUT IS THIS THE RIGHT SPOT? MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT SPOT FOR IT, WHICH WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL, MORE SAFER AND MORE EASIER TO ACCESS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN TAKE IT. THANK YOU CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. I CAN BRING UP MR STANFORD AGAIN, JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. THE 0.5 DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. SO REGARDLESS THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SARAH, COME ON UP. I NEED YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU'LL BE SWORN IN MY NAME IS ZAK WRONGS. OOH SPELL YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. MY FIRST NAME IS THE H E N G. RONG LAST NAME IS THE H. YOU DO YEAH, I'M A RESIDENT OF EIGHT MCGAVIN LING. I SWEAR, AFFIRM ANY TESTIMONY YOU GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES, I DO. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH THANKS PANEL FOR GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I REALLY AGREE WITH MY NEIGHBORS CONCERNS TRAFFIC, PMS AND THE PARKING SPACE AND I JUST HOPE THAT END OF THE PANEL CAN TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION REALLY PRIORITIZE. THE UH ALRIGHT. AM SAID RESIDENTS OVER THE THIS TONGUE A MONTGOMERY THE OUR INTERESTS AHEAD OF DEVELOPERS, BUSINESS AND DESIRE ARE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANKS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? HELLO HI. MY NAME IS STEPHEN. PAPA I'M FROM 16 MCGOWEN LANE. AND SIR DO YOU SWEAR FOR MANY TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE WILL BE TRUTHFUL. YES, THANK YOU. OKAY? A AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS FROM HILLSIDE HAVE SAID. BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE PARKING AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC WHEN WE GO INTO THE COMMUNITY ARE GOING OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY DURING THOSE PEAK HOURS, LIKE RIGHT NOW ITSELF. 
          IT'S ALREADY VERY HARD TO GET IN AND OUT WHEN THERE ARE BUSSES AROUND NINE O'CLOCK. AND DURING THE THREE O'CLOCK TIME WHEN THE SCHOOL BUSSES ARE AROUND. SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE HERE IS 
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ABOUT THE SAFETY OF MEDICAL DISPOSAL. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE THIS TRASH, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS MYSTIC. AND UH, ARE THERE ENOUGH MEASURES IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THERE IS NO HAZARD FOR THE OTHER RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO THAT AREA? AND THE OTHER. I THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT THE TREES WHICH ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THERE IS PRIVACY, BUT WE ARE NOT SURE HOW MANY TREES ARE GOING TO BE THERE. AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE PRIVACY FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE ON MYSTIC, OKAY? THANK YOU. YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN UP HERE. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO LOOK, PLEASE COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN? YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN MY NAME IS MOM TO AGAIN? UM HE MENTIONED TREES, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT'S A HILLY AREA. IT WOULD NEED LOT TALLER TREES. 
          SO THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD APPROPRIATE PRIVACY. JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN OUR BACK YARD. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN MOVED EIGHT YEARS BACK. IT WAS LIKE ALL JUNGLE, AND NOW I SEE IN ALL BUILDINGS, SO IF YOU HAVE THIS FACILITY AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING TREES IT'LL TAKE MAYBE 15 YEARS TO HAVE THAT PRIVACY. THANK YOU. OKAY? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE? SECOND ALL IN FAVOR HIGH. OKAY. BOARD DISCUSSION. I WOULD. I'LL JUST START OFF AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND OURSELVES AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY. UM AND OUR PURVIEW IS TOO. HERE APPLICATIONS FOR APPROVAL. FROM LANDOWNERS WANTING TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY. BASED ON. THE FACT THAT IT IS AN APPROVED USE. TO BE ABLE TO BUILD, SO WE HAVE TO JUST LOOK AT THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION. LOOK AT THE VARIANCES THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. US TO GRANT AS WELL AS ANY DESIGN, UM, VARIANCES AND HAVE TO PRESENT CRITERIA AS TO WHY WE SHOULD GRANTED THOSE VARIANCES AND THAT'S IT THAT THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. UM. SO I YOU KNOW, WHILE I UNDERSTAND ABOUT TRAFFIC, TRUST ME, I LIVE IN THE TOWN. WE ALL LIVE IN TOWN. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT OUR SOLE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO LISTEN TO THE APPLICATION AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON VERY STRICT CRITERIA. WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD APPROVE IT SO I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE CRUX OF THE MATTER IS THAT THIS IS A PERMITTED USE UNDER OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN. UM IN FACT , IT'S A REDUCTION TO WHAT'S ALLOWED. THERE'S 100 AND 20 BEDS THAT ARE ALLOWED. THERE'S 80 BEDS THAT ARE BEING OFFERED. OUR OWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS, AS ATTESTED TO THE FACT THAT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES PROVIDE LESS TRAFFIC. THEN UM OTHER USES THAT ARE ALSO PERMITTED. UM IT'S AMAZING THAT THE TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS COME OUT AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS BECAUSE THOSE CONCERNS DO MATTER . UH THEY CERTAINLY MATTER BUT THEY MATTER IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY FUTURE PLANS. I IN THIS IS MY OPINION, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, NOT CONSIDERING TRAFFIC. THE STRAIN ON E. M S. THE PARKING CONCERNS . ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT PARTS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER AS WE DEVELOP THE FUTURE PLANS, BUT THIS THIS PARCEL OF LAND IS PERMITTED AND OUR OUR OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO ASSESS WHETHER THE VARIANCES MEET POSITIVE CRITERIA AND THEY DON'T AFFECT NEGATIVE CRITERIA. AND THERE. I GUESS THERE ARE SEVEN VARIANCES HERE. THAT THAT WILL BE, UM, NEEDED. UH THEY NONE OF THEM PERTAINED TO TRAFFIC. NONE OF THEM PERTAINED TO E. M S. NONE OF THEM PERTAINED TO PARKING. AT LEAST THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE. BUT ALL THE VOICES ARE CONCERNED ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD AND I'M KIND OF ASKING THE TOWNSHIP AT THE SAME TIME AS WHETHER WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWN HAS ANY ORDINANCE. UM WITH RESPECT TO, UM MISUSE OR ABUSE 
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OF EMERGENCY SERVICES? UM I WORK IN PRINCETON AND WE HAVE AN ALARM AT OUR BUILDING, AND EVERY TIME SOMEONE EXITS THE BUILDING AND THE ALARM GOES OFF, AND THE POLICE ARE CALLED, WE GET FINED FOR THAT. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT IF WE HAD SOME TYPE OF ORDINANCE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY DO WELL, THEN, IF I CAN BE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE I MEAN, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND PLAY. IT'S I WOULDN'T SAY NOT QUITE ADEQUATE BECAUSE IT'S A IF THEY WERE IF THEY WERE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE PART OF TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES. IT WOULD BE AN EASIER THING. INSTEAD, IT'S UM THE FINES AND ALL END UP GOING TO COURT. IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT IS . NOT THAT ADEQUATELY UNDERSTOOD MY POINT. EVERY POINT IS, I'M TRYING TRYING TO CHINA PROMOTE IDEAS TO RE MEDIATE THE CONCERNS OF E. M S. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY PERTAIN DIFFICULTY. HONESTLY PAUL, IS THAT THEY THAT THEY'RE BEING 100% VOLUNTEER. THE REMEDIATION IS NOT IT'S FALSE, TOTALLY WITH A DIFFERENT PARTY JUST JUST TO CLARIFY 11 MORE POINT THE TOWNSHIP DOES PROVIDE THE M S SOME FUNDING IS THAT CORRECT? DOLLARS PER RESIDENT AT THE MOMENT DURING COVID RESIDENTS OF $50,000. UM IT'S ABOUT THE MONTH IT'S 30, AND WE BUMPED IT UP FOR TWO YEARS TO 70, BUT IT'S BUT $70,000 FOR TWO YEARS, BUT THEN IT'S $30,000. BUT THEN ALL OF THE GAS AND EVERYTHING IS TAKEN FROM IT. SO IT TURNS OUT TO BE ABOUT 25,000. I'M SURE THEIR OPERATIONS THEY FAR EXCEEDED THAT NIGHT, AND IT IS A VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION. IT'S AMAZING THAT WE HAVE THIS ORGANIZATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ABOUT THAT FACT, THE TOWN DOES PROVIDE SOME MONEY FOR THE VERY SMALL AMOUNT. I UNDERSTAND NOTHING. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS. 
          DISCUSSIONS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WAS ON THE PLANE CLOSE TO THE JUST SARAH GILL BRIGHT AND PUT THE MICROPHONE RIGHT UP TO YOUR LIPS. OKAY, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE TWO THOUSANDS. WHEN THIS THE WHOLE CHARBEL, UM APPLICATION WAS PRESENTED. I WALKED THE PROPERTY BEFORE THE FIRST PHASE OF IT WAS APPROVED, AND FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THERE WAS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY PROPOSED WHETHER THAT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS IS NECESSARY. VERILY. THE BEST, UM OR IT'S NOT A COMPLETELY CONFORMING, UM, APPLICATION, BUT IT, UM IT HAS BEEN. PLANNED EVER SINCE THEN, AND I'M ALSO LIKE TO SAY I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THE SHORTAGE OF CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUNDS. I REPRESENT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION ON THE PLANNING BOARD, AND, UM OUR MEMOS ARE REPRESENT THE. THE VIEWPOINTS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND SUSTAINABLE MONTGOMERY AND EVERY TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN GIVING INPUT TO ONE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS FOR HOUSING, I HAVE ASKED FOR PLAYGROUNDS AND THEY HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE MEMOS AND MANY OF THE PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE THERE. ONLY APPEARED ON THE PLANS AFTER THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION REQUESTED THEM AND I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT. WE WE MISSED SOME, UM AND ANYWAY UM . IT'S UH, IT'S IT. IT ENCOURAGES ME TO KEEP DOING AND I TO AH TO TELL THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE DO. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE BOARD MEMBERS COMMENTS. WE LOOK THROUGH. I JUST I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR AS TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THE VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO THE FIRST VARIANCE IS THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OF BUILDING TO RESIDENTIAL LOT LINE ON THE WEST SIDE. AND I BELIEVE THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN THAT EVEN THOUGH IT IS TO GO FROM 150 FT TO 100.9 FT. THE ACTUAL DISTANCE , AS JAMES SAID, SAID, IS IN CONCURRENCE WITH THEM, WHICH IS 100 ABOUT 132 FT. THE VARIANCE IS FOR 109, BECAUSE IT IS A BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH VARIANCES 
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, SO IT'S 1 50. THE VARIANCE IS AT 100.9 FOR WHAT? FIRST PARENTS , OKAY, RIGHT. AND THEN THE 2ND AND 3RD OR ABOUT THE COMPOSITION AND SPACING OF THE BUFFER. ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THEN THE THIRD. THE FOURTH ONE IS THE EASTERN BUFFER COMPOSITION. THE FIFTH ONE IS THE HOT BACK SETBACK, WHICH AGAIN. WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY THAT THAT IS A THAT'S A WATER COMPANY DECISION. 
          THE LOADING SPACE SIZE IS THE SIXTH AND THEN THE SEVENTH IS THE FENCE HEIGHT AROUND THE MEMORY CARE COURTYARD. AND JUST TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE I DON'T I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING. I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THE EASTERN BUFFER WAS REMOVED BECAUSE WE HEARD THE COMMENTS. 
          WE WENT BACK AND WE TWICE BUMPED, BUMPED IT UP SO THAT THERE WAS A UM, AN ADEQUATE SCREEN A LOT OF SCREEN ALONG THE EASTERN BUFFER. I APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING IN. NO, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. I SEE THAT. YEP OKAY. AND AGAIN THE SIDEWALK. I JUST WANT TO JUST CIRCLE BACK TO THAT ONE. SO I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE ISN'T THAT THE SIDEWALK DESIGN EXCEPTION. 
          BUT, YES, THAT'S A DESIGN EXCEPTION BECAUSE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S BEING DEVELOPED BY MONTGOMERY CROSSING. CHARBEL. YEAH, CHARBEL. CROSSINGS IN SO. I'M MISSING SOMETHING. SO WE'RE MISSING A SIDEWALK. DOES ANYONE RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? SO THE THIS THE SIDEWALK ALONG WHAT WILL BE BUILT, BUT IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SHARP BELL TO BUILD THAT. AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD SAID THAT. THAT WAS TRUE FOR VILLAGE DRIVE. IS THAT TRUE? ALSO FOR HARD WORK. I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THAT? THAT'S TRUE FOR HARDWICK AS WELL AS VILLAGE. NO, THE HARD WORK. WE'RE THE WORK. WE'RE DOING THE HARD WORK. YOU'RE DOING. THE HARD WORK AND THE VILLAGE DRIVE IS SHARP BILLS RESPONSIBILITY. AND THAT'S ON SURE, BILL'S PROPERTY. WHETHER IT'S ON CHARLOTTE'S PROPERTY OR IT'S ON THE APPLICANTS PROPERTY . IT WILL BE DEVELOPED BY CHARBEL. SO THAT'S THERE, SO IT'S IT IS PART OF THE APPLICATION SO THERE IT'S AGREED TO THAT IT IS PART OF THAT THEY WILL BE DEVELOPED. VERY MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US OUT THERE. SO THE WHAT IS REQUIRED IS SIDEWALKS RIGHT AND INCLUDING ONE ON VILLAGE DRIVE. I DON'T THINK MONTGOMERY CROSSING IS COMPLETE, SO I THINK AS BEFORE THEY GET COMPLETE AND OFF THEIR BONDS, THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO FINISH. MAYBE THE QUESTION YOU HAVE. MARY IS THE CEO CONTINGENT UPON THE THIS SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE WOULD MAKE AFFECT YOU. I'M ADMITTING THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING TO CLARIFY. RIGHT UH HUH. MHM EXACTLY. SO, IT IS THAT THE CASE? I'M ASKING HIM. SO WE'RE SO WHAT WE WERE REQUESTING WAS WAS A DESIGN WAIVER BECAUSE THIS APPLICANT ISN'T THE ONE WHO'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK. IT WAS PART OF A PRIOR APPROVAL FROM CHARBEL. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S SHARP, BROWARD'S MONTGOMERY CROSSING WHO WAS THE ACTUALLY APPLICANT APPLICANT? AT THAT POINT, I THINK I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY AND DEVELOPMENT WORLD AS YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR SURE BELL TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES, AND WE'VE WE'VE THEY'VE BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD. UM UM AND CHANGE THE PHASING OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND THE CONTINGENT ON THAT. I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THAT WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THIS SIDE WELCOMING, AMONG OTHER ROADS. BUT THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT BASED ON THE RESIDENTS CONCERNED OF. YOU KNOW, MANEUVERABILITY AROUND THIS AREA . WE WOULD WANT THE SIDEWALK TO BE THERE WHEN YOUR FACILITY IS THERE. SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT THIS SIDEWALK IS WOULD BE, UM, PART OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WHEN THERE WOULD BE BUILT, WHICH MIGHT MEAN THAT YOU'D HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF THEY IF THEY HADN'T DONE IT IN THAT TIME. THAT'S FINE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, AND BASED ON EVERYONE'S CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT. I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE. AND I UNDERSTAND. I HAD TO JUST CONFER WITH WITH A FEW PEOPLE BACK THERE. UM BUT NOW IT WILL BE DONE AS PART. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S WE ASKED FOR A DESIGN WAIVER BECAUSE IT WASN'T PART OF THE APPROVALS THAT IT WAS A PRIOR APPROVAL, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE. AS A AS A PART OF THE CL. OKAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAST DESIGN EXCEPTION WAS THE PARKING SPACE LENGTH FROM 20 FT TO 18 FT WITH A TWO FT OVERHANG CORRECT. WHAT'S THE OVERHANG? LIKE THIS EXTRA SPACE. 
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ONE OF YOUR CAR CAN CELEBRATE. SO IF YOU IF YOU GO UP TO THE FRONT AND HIT THE CURB, STOP, YOU HAVE SOME EXTRA SPACE BEFORE YOU. AH I THINK ABOUT THE CURBS , RIGHT? BECAUSE WE YEAH, EXACTLY. WE WANTED. WE WANTED TO PROTECT PEOPLE ON THE SIDEWALK THERE AND WHAT'S WITH THE SIDEWALK? I DON'T KNOW IF WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS. CAN YOU GO INTO THE MICROPHONE? I THOUGHT THERE WAS TESTIMONY AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IT WAS SIX FT. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SIDEWALK BEHIND ANY PARKING STALLS ON BEGIN TO THE MICROPHONE MICROPHONE, ASKED THE MAYOR WHO DESIGNED THIS PLACE. WHEREVER THIS SIDEWALK BEHIND ANY PARKING STALLS. WE PROVIDE SIX FT. 4 FT FOR PEDESTRIANS TO WALK ALONG THE TWO FT EXTRA FOR THE OVERHANG. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. JUST TO CLARIFY IF THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO DO THE SIDEWALKS OR MAKE SURE THEY ARE DONE AS A CONDITION OF CEO, THEN THEY DON'T NEED A DESIGN EXCEPTION FOR IT. DO THAT. SINCE THEY'RE MAKING SURE IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. I THINK THAT'S A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION. I'M SORRY . YOU CAN'T JUST YOU CAN'T JUST YELL OUT. GOOD TRY, THOUGH. UM. OR THE FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW THE 100 FT VERSUS 150. FT IS OF CONCERN TO BE THE FENCE HEIGHT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS FROM THE BOARD IN TERMS OF HOW YOU KNOW FROM THE HOMES HOW IT WOULD LOOK OR ANYTHING. WHAT KIND OF CONCERNS IF ANY, ARE THERE? I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT THE POSITIVE CRITERIA AS EXPRESSED FOR THE SAFETY OF THE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED AS FAR OUTWEIGHS THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SO THE MINIMUM DISTANCE THE POSITIVE CRITERIA WAS PRESENTED AS THAT WAS NECESSARY SO THAT. THE PARKING COULD BE MOVED AND WAS NOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          CORRECT IF I CAN LIKE A SUMMARIZE, THOUGH IT WAS SOME OF THE EARLY DESIGNS HAD PARKING IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND THIS THIS WAS THE BEST DESIGN WITH WORKING WITH THE BOARDS. PROFESSIONALS IN TOWNS AND PROFESSIONALS WAS TO HAVE THE PARKING COUNTRY TO ONE SIDE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A MORE BUFFER OF A MORE OF A BUFFER ALONG VILLAGE DRIVE. ONE OF THE OTHER EXCEPTIONS ISN'T IT IS ABOUT THE LIGHTING. RIGHT. IT'S THE 25% ISN'T THAT THAT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE DIMMER TO BRING IT TO 25% OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? IT IS NOW. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY RIGHT, BUT FOR SAFETY FOR SAFETY REASONS, THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR TO STILL HAVE IT. BUT AT 25% OR AT 75% REDUCTION. I BELIEVE CORRECT, CORRECT. 25% OF MAXIMUM , WHATEVER THAT MEANS, RIGHT? AND I JUST WANT TO ASK, UM WHEN SHE PUTS THE MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF HER. I'M GOING TO ASK SARAH BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING BEFORE. 
          I JUST WANT YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY REASONABLE. OKAY, THANK YOU. MY REAL TRUE CONCERN ABOUT THIS ENTIRE THING TO BE HONEST. IS, UM, IS. HOW MUCH THE M S IS GOING TO BE TAXED. POTENTIALLY HMM. AND THE TRULY EMBARRASSINGLY INADEQUATE CONTRACT THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDED FROM ABLE MEDICAL TRANSPORTATION. I MEAN, I GOTTA BE HONEST THAT THIS AIN'T 50 PAGES. THIS IS 48 PAGES SHORT OF A CONTRACT, SO. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE BOARD CAN DO ABOUT THAT. HMM YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THAT THIS MAY MAYBE A TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE. PROPOSAL BUT BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S PERFECT. IT'S NOT HERE APPLICATION AND IT DOES NOT. UNLESS, OF COURSE, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO BE GOOD CITIZENS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO UM NOT. PUT ALL THE PRESSURE ON R E. M S IS THE TESTIMONY WAS PROVIDED THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE GOAL IS WHAT ONE OF THE GOALS OF MY CLIENT IS, TOO. REALLY REDUCE THE NEED FOR THE E. M S TO COME TO THE SITE. UM BY HAVING THAT RN ON STAFF SHE CAN SHARE HE CAN 
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OR THEY CAN TRIAGE. ANY TYPE OF SITUATION AND MAKE A CALL AS TO WHETHER THE 911 CALL IT IS NEEDED IN WHAT TYPE OF SITUATION AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT THAT MY CLIENT REALLY I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THIS. ESPECIALLY FOR THIS COMMUNITY. UM AND THE STRIVE TO HAVE THAT THIRD PARTY PROVIDER AND, AS WAS TESTIFIED TO IF THAT THIRD PARTY PROVIDER IS NOT DOING A GOOD JOB. THEY LOSE BUSINESS. UM AND HE'S IN, YOU KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A GOOD SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR RESIDENTS. UM SO YOU KNOW, IF THAT THIRD PARTY PROVIDER IS NOT GOING TO BE PROVIDING THE SERVICES, THEN HE'S GOING TO FIND ANOTHER ANOTHER PROVIDER. 
          BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A BUSINESS CASE? BUT WHAT IF YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS OR SELL THE BUSINESS, AND THEN ANOTHER. PLACE COMES IN. I MEAN, WE'RE THERE'S NO ASSURANCES, THEN, RIGHT? LIKE WITH ANOTHER. YOU COULD JUST 30 DAYS, YOU KNOW, GET IT BUILT, AND IN A YEAR SOMEBODY COMES BY YOU OR DO YOU PUT IT ON THE MARKET THE BUSINESS ON THE MARKET AND THEN THAT PERSON SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M ONLY GONNA HAVE 10 PEOPLE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A NURSE. RIGHT? UM SO WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES COULD YOU PROVIDE TO US? CERTAINLY BREAKDOWN. I THINK THAT KNOWING EXACTLY, YOU KNOW 15 15. NO OFFENSE AT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE SERVING FOOD BUT A NURSING CARE VERSUS PEOPLE SERVING FOOD. WHAT IS THAT BREAKDOWN OF 15 STAFF MEMBERS? SO I MEAN, JUST JUST THE ANSWER THE QUESTION. I MEAN, ANYONE WHO'S GOING TO OPERATE A FACILITY WANTS TO HAVE THAT FACILITY BE, YOU KNOW, TOP TOP OF THE LINE FACILITY AND PART OF THAT IS PROVIDING THIS THIRD PARTY AMBULANCE SERVICE AGREED. BUT I THINK WE CAN. I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, THE THIRD PARTY MODEL DOES NOT WORK. I MEAN, I JUST IT DOESN'T WORK AND WE HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES HERE. THAT PROVIDE. UM THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE PARTNERS TO THE NORTH THAT ARE ACTUALLY MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ALSO RELY ON A THIRD PARTY , AND BASICALLY IT'S FAILING AND WHAT FAILING AND IT'S FAILING IN HILLSBORO. IT'S FAILING, EVEN IN PRINCETON. AND WHAT MEANS WHAT IT MEANS IS OUR OUR GEM R R. E. M S, WHICH IS VOLUNTEER AND LET ME TELL YOU, THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE COULD EVER GO TO A THIRD PARTY AS A TOWNSHIP. WE COULDN'T RAISE THE TAXES TO THEN BRING IN A VOLUNTEER. I MEAN, BRING THIS IN HOUSE, NOR COULD WE GO OUT WITH A REPORT AND GET THE KIND OF SERVICES THAT WE GET FROM R E. M S. THAT IS EXEMPLARY, AND IT'S AN UNBELIEVABLY TAXED BY, UM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND US AND PRIVATE FACILITIES AND COMMERCIAL FACILITIES. UM MASQUERADING IS RESIDENTIAL. SO IT IS A PROBLEM A REALLY BIG CONCERN BECAUSE FROM A PUBLIC GOOD, I'M GOING TO JUST TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THE E. M S IS, UM . SERVES EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY AND PUTTING THEM IN MORE RISK. FOR ME. IT'S JUST, UM UNFATHOMABLE, SO IT'S OF HUGE CONCERN TO ME BECAUSE IT ISN'T YOU KNOW, THE THIRD PARTY IS BROKEN. IT DOES NOT WORK DOES NOT WORK. SO IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH THIS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE'RE DISCUSSING THE VARIANCES HERE. I MEAN, I TOTALLY GET IT AND MANY OF US WEREN'T ON HERE WHEN THE WHOLE THING WAS APPROVED, UM INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, TURNING SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN OFFICE PARK NOW INTO RESIDENTIAL THAT REALLY HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY, AND MANY OF US WEREN'T HERE. SO UM, I'M JUST THE REAL CONCERN WITH THE M S FOR ME IS JUST, UH UM, I WOULD PROPOSE, THEN THAT A CONDITION BE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT IS IN. 
          USE IN USE RIGHT NOW IN MONTGOMERY. OR AS I MEAN. ANY FACILITY IN TOWN HAS TO COMPLY WITH MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES. SO IT'S REALLY THE ORDINANCE AS IT MAY BE AMENDED BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE MAKES NO DISTINCTION. IT SAYS IF YOU WERE, UH. IN THIS CASE THERE FACILITY FALLS WITHIN A LONG LIST OF CARE FACILITIES AND IT REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE. ITS FIRST THAT ENFORCEMENT IS THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, IT'S JUST YOU'RE ADVISING THAT THAT'S ALLOWED THAT THERE IS A CATCH ANTI GRANDFATHER CLAUSE. AH IT'S NOT A MATTER OF YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. I DON'T VIEW IT AS A MATTER OF GRANDFATHER. THIS IS AND THIS IS NOT THE. THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO, WHICH IS CALLED AMBULANCE 
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NUISANCE CALLS THAT SECTION 3-19 OF THE TOWNSHIP CODE. THAT'S NOT A LAND USE ORDINATES THAT IS A POLICE POWER ORDINANCE. UM IT HAS COME UP IN THIS HEARING BECAUSE THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN. UM THAT FACILITIES HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLYING WITH IT THAT IT'S PUT GREAT DEAL OF STRAIN ON M S. SO UM, YES. WHAT THE BOARD CAN DO IS LIMITED BUT. IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S A GIVEN THAT EVERY FACILITY IN TOWN IS OBLIGATED TO COMPLY. SO THE BOARD'S REACTION AND I THINK THAT HEARD FROM M S. 
          THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT THE VENDOR THAT THIS APPLICANT WANTS TO USE ABLE AND THEY NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE. SO UM, THEY CAN'T THEY PROVED THEY CANNOT. THE OBLIGATION OF THE APPLICANT. HONESTLY WHETHER IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION OR NOT, AS THEY DO HAVE TO COMPLY. BUT SINCE THIS HAS BECOME A DISCUSSION POINT TONIGHT, AND WE'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS OF VMS, UM. I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM, INCLUDING THAT, UM AS A CONDITION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, SINCE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS IS COMING THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT INCLUDES ANY FUTURE OR CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE. I MEAN, THE AWARDING , I'D SUGGEST THAT WOULD BE THAT THEY ALL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES REGARDING, UM, AMBULANCE NUISANCE CALLS AS THEY MAY BE AMENDED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THIS AS A GRANDFATHER. 
          SITUATION THIS IS A POLICE POWER ORDINANCE AND I WOULD I WOULD AGREE WITH MISS CASEY THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAN THE APPLICANT, AS WITH ANY RESIDENT OR OR PROPERTY OWNER IN TOWN WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT THAT THAT ORDINANCE SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE AGREEING TO THE CONDITIONS? YES. SOMEONE EXPLAINED WHAT THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE BATTERY. SORRY I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT WHAT WAS THE PROPOSAL? CAN I? WELL, WHAT? WHAT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS ADDING A CONDITION TO THE RESOLUTION THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH THE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE OR MAY HAVE. REGARDING AMBULANCE NUISANCE CALLS SO WE DO HAVE. IT'S A ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES CARE FACILITIES TO USE A PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICE FOR NON EMERGENCY CALLS ON THE ORDINANCE EXPLAINS WHAT'S EMERGENCY? WHAT'S NOT EMERGENCY? NOW? THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A REGISTERED NURSE ON SITE 24 HOURS A DAY TO HELP TRIAGE TO HELP DECIDE. IS IT AN EMERGENCY? OR IS IT NOT? UM AND BECAUSE TONIGHT A LOT OF DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HEARD. ABOUT CONCERNS OF THE. STRESS ON THE M S DEPARTMENT. I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL. THEY HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY, EVEN IF IT WAS NOT IN THE RESOLUTION. YES AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE APPLICANT HAS SAID YEAH, WE AGREE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO SO WHETHER THE ABLE ORGANIZATION CAN DO IT. OKAY? YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE HEARD FROM YOUR AMS. THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS. SO THE ISSUE ISN'T SO MUCH ABLE THIS CONTRACT. IT'S THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY AND THEY'LL HAVE TO RESOLVE. HOW WILL THEY DO THAT DOES OCCUR IN ORDINANCE HAVE PENALTIES PENALTY IS AS WITH OTHER ORDINANCES, WHICH ARE ENFORCED BY THE POLICE. UM THERE . IT GOES TO MUNICIPAL COURT IF THE DETERMINATION IS MADE THAT CALLS WERE MADE FOR NON EMERGENCIES, UM, SOMEONE'S HAVE TO BE ISSUED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT GOES TO COURT AND THEN THERE IS A PENALTY PROVISIONS IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE . UM I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS AT THIS MOMENT, BUT IT CITES US BACK TO THE GENERAL PENALTY CODE IN THE ORDINANCE OVER THE FIRST VIOLATION. THE FINEST SO MUCH SECOND VIOLATION ESCALATES. UM. AND YES, IT IS TRUE THAT THAT'S UM CAN BE CUMBERSOME BECAUSE. 
          THE SUMMONS INTO THE COMPLAINT HAS TO BE MADE. THE SUMMONS HAS TO BE ISSUED. UH HAS TO GO TO COURT. UH, THE POLICE OFFICER, YOU KNOW, ISSUED THE SUMMONS. HE'S GOT TO BE THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. ARE THEY GOING TO GIVE US THE LIST OF THEIR FIRST CALLS WHO WILL BE 
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THEIR FIRST CALLS WELL UNDER THIS ORDINANCE. IF IT'S A NON EMERGENCY, THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO CALL THEIR PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICE WILL BE THAT WILL BE IN THE EMERGENCY IS DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE. WELL, PROBABLY THE BEST WE CAN DO. OKAY CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC? I DO AGREE WITH WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID ABOUT KIDS BEING ALL OVER THE ROADS THERE. 
          UM I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE OF THE BEST USES THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, BUT SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS THIS IS OKAY. BUT THE TOWNSHIP I THINK REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GONNA SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY IF VILLAGE ROAD EVER GETS COMPLETED. AND PEOPLE GO TO RESUMING THROUGH THERE. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. AGREED AGAIN OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT CERTAINLY PEOPLE WHO CAME OVER THAT COMMENT PROBABLY NOT ADDING THAT MUCH MORE THAN RIGHT. IT'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO CAUSE THE PROBLEMS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CHOICE BETWEEN THIS AND A CHUCK E CHEESE, THIS IS THIS IS MUCH THIS IS MUCH BETTER SO OKAY, SO GIVEN THAT, UM DO WE DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UM DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'M SORRY. I MAKE A MOTION. TWO. APPROVE THE APPLICATION UNDER THE CONDITIONS , UH AS OUTLINED AND IS DISCUSSED, THERE WERE SIX VARIANCES. SO IT'S THE 123456. AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO TWO DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. DO I HAVE A 2ND 2ND YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH AND MAYBE MENTIONED SOME OTHER CONDITIONS? THANKS TO THE APPLICANT IS THAT THEY'LL COMPLY WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SET FORTH IN OUR BOARD ENGINEER PLANNER OPEN SPACE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, TRAFFIC AND LANDSCAPING REVIEW MEMOS. SORRY SORRY. UM, WE HAVE JUST DISCUSSED CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH THE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES AS THEY MAY BE AMENDED REGARDING AMBULANCE NUISANCE CALLS. THIS BEING AN ORDINANCE THAT IS A ENFORCED THROUGH THE TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE TO ELECTRICAL VEHICLE SPACES WITH DUAL HOOKUPS. SO THAT WILL RESULT IN THE AVAILABILITY OF FOUR CHARGING STATIONS, THE PUBLIC IT WILL ENSURE THAT THE SIDEWALKS ARE INSTALLED AS A CONDITION OF THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND KEVIN. YOU HAD ONE CONDITION YOU WANTED TO ADD, AND I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T GET ALL OF THAT DOWN. FROM THE WHEN OPENING FOR THE WATER. OKAY? AND I THINK THERE WAS THERE WAS ONE MORE FROM MY NOTES. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT IN THE BEGINNING, AND, UM THAT WE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO, UH, DESIGNATED AREA FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING DID DID YOU SAY THAT? OKAY CORRECT. I MISSED THE BEGINNING. THANK YOU FOR SELF IMPOSING YOUR HMM. 
          OKAY, AND, UH SO I THINK THAT'S SIX CONDITIONS AS I COUNT IT. CORRECT. THE CEO WITH. OKAY, THEN LET'S ROLL CALL TIME. IT'S SOMEONE THAT I HAD A MOTION ON THE SECOND I BELIEVE AND ARE IN SECOND. BLODGET? YES. HAMBLETON? YES. NO. YES. MATTHEWS. TODD. YES, YES. I BELIEVE IN THE MOTION CARRIES GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. PLEASE JUST WAIT TWO MORE MINUTES. WE 
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HAVE WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM. OKAY? IT'S GONNA TAKE 30 SECONDS . LAST ITEM IS THE MINUTES OF 
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THE MARCH 27TH 2023 REGULAR MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND? WELL CALL, PLEASE. I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SECOND THAT I SECONDED IT, BUT I WASN'T HERE SO SECOND CLOCK KILLER IS YES, YES. CAN YES. YEAH. ROBERT. YES. ALL RIGHT. YES, YES. OKAY FUTURE MEETINGS MAY 22ND 2023 PLANNING BOARD AT SEVEN P.M. JUNE 6 2023 SITE PLANTS SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE MEETING A 30 A. M. JUNE 12TH 2023 ON JUNE 26 2023 ARE SCHEDULED FOR PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS AT SEVEN P.M. TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, SO MOVED TO HAVE A SECOND ALL IN
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