Jan 24, 2023 Zoning Board

[I. OPENING STATEMENT]

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RE. MEETING. ARE YOU GOING TO START THE MEETING THEN? ALRIGHT, GREAT. EVERYONE IT IS THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD MEETING. IT'S THE REORGANIZATION AND REGULAR MEETING JANUARY 24TH AT 2023 THE TIME IS SEVEN OR ONE . UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF THIS MEETING HAD BEEN POSTED AND SENT TO THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED NEWSPAPERS. SASABE IS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT. SKI PRESIDENT. HERE. SING WALMART IS ABSENT.

WOULD YOUR BRONZE DIDI IS ABSENT. AND MATTER IS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT. GLOBALLY.

DORJEE. DRILL. MR BLODGETT, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG? ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS. CAN I HAVE

[V. REORGANIZATION]

I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY NOMINATE AMY ROSENTHAL AS VICE CHAIR SECOND. ANY FURTHER NOMINATIONS.

CAN I HAVE EMOTIONS, TOO CLOSE NOMINATIONS. MOST TO CLOSE. DAVID HI. CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL? LISOVSKY BUDGET. YES, YES. SING. WOULD AND BRONZE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS THE CALL FOR NOMINATIONS OF THE CHAIR, PRO TEMP. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A SECOND CHAIR VICE CHAIR. ARE THERE ANY WILLING PARTICIPANTS? I BELIEVE? MS BRZOZOWSKI. ARE YOU WILLING AGAIN? I BELIEVE IT WAS MR MARKETING. HE'S NOT HERE . SO BE WILLING TO SERVE. YES. THEN I WOULD NOMINATE, UH, MARILYN BLACK BREZOSKY IS CHAIR PRO TEMP SECOND. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? HAVE EMOTIONS, TOO CLOSE NOMINATIONS. SOME OF. ALL IN FAVOR. GREAT UM, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? SURE. BUDGET. ROSENTHAL. YES. YES. SURPRISE. THANK YOU. UH ALRIGHT. THE NEXT STEP IS THE APPOINTMENT OF THE RECORDING SECRETARY. OUR NEW ZONING OFFICER IS A JOE SEMAK CERAMIC.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, SIR. UH CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT JO SAMET? RIGHT, NOMINATE. OH, SO.

BUDGET YES, SAYING WOOD AND BRONZE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT NEXT IS THE OUTLINING OF THE MEETING SCHEDULE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP OF MONTGOMERY WILL MEET ON THE IN 2023 ON THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF THE MONTH AND THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH TO BE UTILIZED AS THE MEETING DATE, BUT ONLY AS NECESSARY FOR SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. UH AND THAT THE MONTHLY MEETING DATES OF THE BORDER HELD HERE BY SCHEDULED ON THE FOLLOWING DATES TO COMMENCE AT SEVEN PM IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, LOCATED AT 100 COMMUNITY DRIVE SKILLMAN, NEW JERSEY IN THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW BUILDING. AH WE HAVE JANUARY 22ND. I'M SORRY. JANUARY 26TH FEBRUARY. 23RD FEBRUARY 28TH MARCH 23RD MARCH 28TH APRIL 25TH

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THANK YOU. ALRIGHT NEXT IS THE DESIGNATION OF THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER FOR THE ZONING BOARD THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPERS OR FOR LEGAL MUNICIPAL ADVERTISING AND NOTICE SHALL BE THE COURIER NEWS. ALL LEGAL NOTICES TO THE PUBLISHED MUST BE APPEAR IN THE IN AN OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER AS STIPULATED BY THE NEW JERSEY MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT THE COURIER NEWS AS OUR OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER? I MOVED TO APPROVE. WAZOWSKI. YES, BLODGETT. YES YES , SING AND BRONZE. THANK YOU. RIGHT NEXT IS THE NEW JERSEY FEDERATION OF PLANNING OFFICIALS . RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP. THIS IS THE, UH IT PROVIDES YOU, THE NEW JERSEY PLANNER AND ALSO PROVIDES TRAINING FOR NEW APPOINTEES OF THE BOARD. THE COMBINATION MEMBERSHIP FOR THE ZONING IMPLEMENT PLANNING BOARDS TOGETHER IS $185 PER YEAR, HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO RENEW OUR MEMBERSHIP. WELL, SOME OF SEVEN. WELCOME PLEASE. YES. YES. SING. WOULD. AND BRONZE. THANK YOU.

UH, THE NEXT STEP IS THE APPOINTMENT OF OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES UNDER THE LOCAL UNIT PAY TO PLAY LAW. THIS IS A RESOLUTION 01 TAX 0 TO 0 TO THREE APPOINTMENT OF LEGAL COUNSEL TICKLE KONING SULLIVAN AND DRILL LLC APPOINTMENT OF BOARD PLANNER CARTER CLINTON AND HENCE AH, APPOINTMENT OF OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH BRIGHT VIEW ENGINEERING. AH APPOINTMENT OF OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AS RICHARD BART ALONE APPOINTMENT OF OUR BOARD ENGINEER IS ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTION ZINC APPOINTMENT OF OUR BOARD RADIO FREQUENCY ENGINEER IS DR BRUCE EISENSTEIN MOTION TO APPROVE THE SLATE OF LIKE TO APPROVE THIS ENTIRE SLATE? SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ROLE OF SKI? BLODGET YES. ROSENTHAL SING. WHAT. ON BEHALF OF ALL THE PROFESSIONALS, WE ALL THANK YOU. AND I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE PROFESSIONALS THAT SERVE THE

[VI. PUBLIC COMMENT]

THERE WILL BE A COMMENT SESSION. AT A AT A LATER TIME FOR COMMENTS RELATED TO THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. SO SUBJECT TO MY DISCRETION. WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIMIT ANY COMMENTS TO, UH IN THE Q AND A SESSION TO FIVE MINUTES AND SO AGAIN. THIS IS FOR COMMENTS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY. JUST GENERAL PURPOSE COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD. I'D LIKE TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANY COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY. NONE ALL RIGHT? I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY ANY COMMENTS OF THAT NATURE, SO WE'LL GO INTO

[VII. APPLICATIONS ]

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THANK YOU BOARD. UM SO I'M REAL SURE. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. MY GENERAL CONTRACTOR WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND RIGHT NOW. SOMEBODY REPRESENTING THE CASE, LET ME JUST GET YOU SWORN IN AND LET'S GET THE BOARD ENGINEERING EXPERTS SWORN IN CASE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM ? CAN BOTH OF YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BOTH OF YOU SWEAR THAT OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE INTO GIVING THIS PROCEEDING WILL BE THE TRUTH. THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH FOR THE RECORD. AGAIN CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? AND YOU ARE THE APPLICANT. CORRECT SO YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD IS RAHU SHA LAST NAME S H. H UM AND I'M THE APPLICANT OF THIS. OKAY, LET'S HAVE THE BOARD ENGINEER AGAIN INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD BROADCAST RG ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS AND YOU'RE THE BOARD'S ENGINEERING EXPERT. OKAY? GO AHEAD, PLEASE. SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. UM THIS IS REGARDING IMPORTING THE SOIL TO THE PROPERTY. WE ARE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND WE NEED A IMPORT SOIL FOR THE ELEVATION PURPOSE OR FOR THE LIVING PURPOSE AND WE HAVE REQUESTED ABOUT WE AT THIS POINT WE NEED ABOUT 15 CHOCOLATE LOADS OF 10 TO 15 TRUCKLOADS OF SOIL. AND WE REPEAT THAT. HOW MANY TRUCKLOADS RIGHT NOW? THAT 50 AROUND 15 TRUCKLOADS. WE NEED 15 GOING OUT OR 15 IMPORTANT. THE YES. TRUCKLOADS OF IMPORTED SOIL AND IMPORT. I MEAN, THE SOIL IS COMING FROM VILLAGE COOPERATED. DEVELOPMENT ARE ON ROUTE 26 2 OR SIX. SORRY. I'M NOT. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU SLOW DOWN A LITTLE? THE SOIL IS COMING FROM WHERE IT'S A VILLAGE WALK, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ON ROUTE SIX FROM FROM THE VILLAGE WALK, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT THAT MR PUBLICITY'S PROPERTY. I BELIEVE THE PERMIT AND EVERYTHING HAS THAT TESTING HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE SOUL. SO I'M FOR THAT PROPERTY LOCATION, AND IT IS SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION. THE BOARD ENGINEERING EXPERT. WHAT STANDARD OR WHAT'S THE BOARD SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERING IN THIS APPLICATION FOR WE WAS JUST ABOUT TO GET THERE WE HAVE ACTUALLY THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE OF BUT, UH I'D LIKE YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS FALLS WITHIN THE TOWN SUBORDINATES OR WHETHER WE EVEN NEED TO. SO I APOLOGIZE. DID YOU TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED? DOWN, GO AHEAD. TRY AGAIN. TESTING. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH BY THE WAY FOR THE APPOINTMENT FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO. APPRECIATE THAT, UM YEAH. OUR CAPSULE COORDINATES. UM, REQUIRES THAT ANY ANY MOVEMENT OF SOIL INTO OR OFF OFF OF OR ONTO A SITE IN EXCESS OF 20 CUBIC YARDS REQUIRES APPROVAL BY THE APPROVING BOARD. USUALLY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S DONE AS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS WHEN THEY'RE CUTTING IN AND OUT, CAN YOU. HOW ABOUT NOW? THAT'S PERFECT. SO OUR ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE PERMITS FOR MOVING SOIL ONTO OR OFF OF A SITE IN EXCESS OF 20 CUBIC YARDS. THAT'S USUALLY SOMETHING THAT GETS DONE AS PART OF THE REVIEWING BOARDS. UM UM, PROCESS FOR APPROVAL. WE QUITE OFTEN HAVE THAT HERE AT THIS BOARD AND AT THE PLAYING BOARD, UM AND WHAT'S REQUIRED. FOR THAT IS TESTING THE APP CAN HAS HAS ACTUALLY, UH, SUBMITTED A REPORT FROM G TA ASSOCIATES AND GEOTECHNICAL FIRM, UM, INDICATING THE SAMPLES THAT WERE TAKEN ON THE ON THE STOCKPILING QUESTION TO BE TRANSPORTED. AND INDICATING THAT IT IS EVERYTHING WAS BELOW THE NJ VP CRITERIA WITH THESE HIM, WHICH IS A NATURALLY OCCURRING, UH UM, ELEMENT IN IN SOILS. UH AND

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ENGINEER CAN YOU? YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC. SO WE FROM THE ENGINEER. LET ME JUST CONFIRM THAT ONE. I DON'T THINK I HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. BUT I CAN GET IT DONE AND SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP AS NEEDED. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PART OF THE APPLICATION IS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A GRADING PLAN SUBMITTED FOR YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE ACTUALLY IMPORTING . THE SULTAN HAS THAT HAS A GREAT PLAN BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP AT ALL AS PART OF YOUR LIKE CONSTRUCTION, LIKE BUILDING PERMIT AND EVERYTHING. OKAY, SO THAT'S YEAH. SO WE HAVE AN APPROVED READING. PERFECT SO YOU DO YOU DO YOU DON'T HAVE. I DON'T NEED TO SEE IT RIGHT NOW.

AS LONG AS THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEERS LOOKED AT IT, THAT'S THAT'S THE MAIN THING. OKAY, GREAT. SO AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION YOU KNOW, WE HAVE . IT'S STATED IN HERE. THAT'S 1500 CUBIC YARDS, SO THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU TESTIFIED TO EARLIER BASED ON MY AGAIN I AM NOT EXPERT ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? SO WHEN I TALK TO MY BUILDER WE SAID, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ON THE HIGHER SIDE. WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME HOW MUCH WE WILL NEED, BUT NOW WE ARE AT THIS STAGE LIKE YOU KNOW, WE CAN ESTIMATE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT CLOTHES NUMBER WE NEEDED AND WE ARE GETTING TO THAT, UH, QUICKLY. HOW MANY CUBIC YARDS PER TRUCK SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO GET OUT. YOU SAID ABOUT 10 15 TRUCKLOADS. IT'S USUALLY ABOUT 15 YARDS TO A TRUCK. SO IF THERE'S 10 TRUCKLOADS IS 150 CUBIC YARDS IN YOUR APPLICATION. YOU PUT 1500.

I UNDERSTAND JUST TO BE ON THE HIGH SIDE WHEN YOU FULLY APPLICATION OUT. SO IF THE ESTIMATE FROM 1500 TO 150 TOWNSHIP REQUIRES. WE CAN DO THAT ONE. UM I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO PUT AN UPPER LIMIT. THAT'S MORE REASONABLE. UM YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO MY ENGINEERING ASSISTANT, SHE'S SEEN THE GRADING PLAN AND IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN 100 AND 50 CUBIC YARDS, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THE BOARD CAN KEEP IT. THE 1500. THE TESTING IS GOOD FOR THE 1500 CUBIC YARDS, SO JUST TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THAT LEEWAY IS 1500 CUBIC YARDS AND HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE COMING. JUST 100 TRUCKS, 100 TRUCKS. 15 TRUCKS. NO, NO, NO, THAT'S WHY I LIKE YOU KNOW 100 TRUCKS. WE DEFINITELY DON'T NEED 100 TRUCK AT THIS POINT. SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, AND THAT WAS APPLICATION BEFORE THE EXCAVATION WAS DONE, SO WE WERE NOT SURE HOW MUCH SORRY WE WILL GET IT FROM OUR PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT I WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND OR SUGGEST THAT YOU KEEP IT ON THE HIGH SIDE, BECAUSE IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU NEED MORE MORE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN FOR THAT. SO I WOULD MAYBE KEEP THE ADVOCATE PUBLICATION THE WAY IT IS WITH THE 1500 LIKE IT THAT YOU WANT TO CORRECT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT IT COULD BE UP TO 1500 CUBIC YARDS, OKAY? YES. SO WE WERE DEFINITELY, UH, CAN CORRECT MYSELF AND WE WILL NEED UP TO 1500 CUBIC CARE FOR THE PROPERTY FROM THE PROJECT. OTHER THAN THAT, MR CHAIRMAN. IT LOOKS LIKE AND I'VE HAD A CHANCE. YOU KNOW HERE RIGHT BEFORE THE MEDIA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE AFGHANS SUBMISSION AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IS COMPLIANT WITH OUR ORDINANCE WITH THE PROVISION THAT TESTIMONY I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION, MR GIORGI ABOUT THE SOIL, AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN A PLACE FOR THE SEPTIC AREA OR FOR AN ALTERNATE SEPTIC AREA, SO AND IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH SOIL PERKING AND WITH THAT BEING APPROPRIATE SOIL FOR A SEPTIC SYSTEM, SO IT'S THE SOIL WASN'T THE SOIL. INFORMATION WE HAVE. IT DOESN'T CHARACTERISTIC THE QUALITY OF THE SOIL AS FAR AS PERMEABILITY GOES, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE TEST THAT HAS TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM DESIGNED. THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY CONDUCT SOIL TESTING AND PERCOLATION TESTING AS PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. SO MY AGAIN NOT HAVING THE APPLICANTS GRADING PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, MY EDUCATED GUESTS AND EXPERIENCES THAT THIS MATERIAL IS REALLY INTENDED TO FILL IN AND GREAT AROUND THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT CRITICAL, LIKE LIKE A SEPTIC AREA, OR EVEN AGAINST LIKE A BASEMENT WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS REALLY MORE THE BRING THE GREAT UP TO GET PROPER CHANGED AT THE SITE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHEN WAS THE SOIL TESTED? I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. THE REPORT. IS DATED JUNE 22ND 2021. AND THE

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ZUKOVSKY. YES. YES. YES. WHAT? YES. YES. YOU MISSED YOUR SHOT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

EVERYONE. ALRIGHT THE NEXT CASES BE A TAX ZERO TO TECH TO THE APPLICATION IS GOLDEN BISON INVESTMENTS LLC. THIS IS BLOCK 11002 LOT 14 AND 15 ON 59 ZION WORDS VILLE ROAD. THESE ARE FROM BULK VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DWELLING. THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THIS APPLICATION IS MARCH 7TH 2023, AN AFFIDAVIT AND NOTIFICATION OF THE PUBLICATION WAS REQUIRED. UH I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR. AND IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF STITCH NAME WILL HAVE TO GIVE YOUR SWEARING. SWORN IN AS WELL. MORE COMFORTABLE SITTING. YOU CAN SIT AND USE THAT TABLE, MIKE. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD EVENING, JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORDING. CAN YOU PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOUR YES. GOOD EVENING , MR CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS JONAS SINGER. I'M AN ATTORNEY. WELLS AND SINGER AND BORDENTOWN. THIS IS AN APPLICATION. BY GOLDEN BISON HAS CHAIRMAN INDICATED. I HAVE ONE WITNESS THIS EVENING, MICHAEL FORD FROM VANCLIEF ENGINEERING. ON WHO HAS PREPARED A VARIANCE, I PLAN AND SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION. AH! HERE'S MY WITNESSES. SO LET'S GET LET'S GET YOUR WITNESS SWORN IN, AND WE HAVE TO BOARD WITNESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING.

SO LET'S HAVE EVERYONE WAS GONNA TESTIFY. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND TO ALL OF YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM THIS PROCEEDING WITH THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH DO AND THEN STARTING WITH MR FORD, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW WE KNOW YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF. HELLO GOOD EVENING. UM. MICHAEL FORD F O R D LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING PLANNER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. UM WITH VAN

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SUPPORT. WOULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD THE APPLICATION? OKAY UM AS WELL AS INTRODUCED, THIS IS A VARIANCE APPLICATION FOR AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING DWELLING AND UM GOING TO LIMIT THE EXHIBITS TWO DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED AND ARE ON THE RECORD, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE MARKED AS LONG AS YOU KEEP IT TO WHAT'S IN THE BOARD FILE AND DON'T ADD ANY COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENTER ANY ANY EXHIBIT. EVERYTHING'S ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD. THE FIRST EXHIBIT, ACTUALLY, UM REFERRING TO IS PAGE FOUR OF NINE OF THE PLANNERS REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF THE DATE AND THE PLANNERS REPORT. THAT IS AH, JANUARY 3RD 2023.

THIS IS, UH AS ENTITLED ON THE COLOR PHOTO IN THE EXHIBIT. THE REAR FACADE OF THE DWELLING WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING DWELLING, WHICH WILL BASICALLY FILL THIS GAP? BETWEEN TWO WINGS OF THE EXISTING DWELLING AND THIS IS WHAT PRESENTS A UNIQUE AND UH, PARTICULAR. UM HARDSHIP OR. DISTINCTION OF THIS PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS RENOVATION TO THIS EXISTING DWELLING BUILT IN THE 19 FIFTIES, ACCORDING TO THE TAX RECORDS, AND ACTUALLY WHEN CONSTRUCTED. WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED ON TWO LOTS. IN FACT , WHEN I GO TO A PLAN VIEW IN A MINUTE, YOU'LL SEE THAT UM, AND AS IDENTIFIED ON THE VARIANCE PLAN, IT'S LOTS 14 AND 15. IN BLOCK. 11,002. AND THE LOT LINE ACTUALLY GOES DOWN BETWEEN THE TWO WINGS OF THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE AND FROM I UNDERSTAND FROM THE APPLICANT WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY RECENTLY, THIS WAS ESSENTIALLY UM, FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES, NOT A TWO FAMILY DWELLING BUT BASICALLY TO RELATIVES THAT LIVED IN TWO SEPARATE WINGS OF THE BUILDING AND WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THIS FASHION ON TWO SEPARATE LOTS SO THAT THEY CAN ZERO LOT LINE, BUT NOT EXACTLY ZERO, RIGHT? WELL ACTUALLY THE FRONT PORTION OF THE DWELLING YOU'LL SEE AT THE VERY REAR HERE WHERE IT SAYS LOCATION PROPOSED ADDITION.

POINTS TO A POINT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY CONNECT IN THE FRONT. AND PERHAPS I CAN GO NOW TO AAGT , WHEN SHOWS AN OVERALL EMERGED . DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE LOTS WERE MERGED INTO ONE? WILL LEAD TO FURTHER APPLICATION EMERGENCY LOTS. CORRECT. ONE OF THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO REVIEW MEMORANDUM XYZ TO, UM OFFICIALLY MERGED THEM. I THINK THE DOCTOR OF THE DOCTRINE OR MERGER AND YOUR ORDINANCE STATES THAT WENT TO LOTS ARE AH UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP AND ARE INSUFFICIENT AND LOT AREA OR WERE DON'T MEET THE BULK STANDARDS THAT THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY MERGED. BUT BASICALLY RIGHT NOW, BASICALLY, THEY DO STILL SHOW UP AS TWO SEPARATE LOTS ON THE TAX MAP. UH DOES REFERENCE TO SEPARATE LAW CONDITION WILL BE TO FILE A DEED OF CONSOLIDATION. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND SO IT'S MENTIONED IN OUR REPORT AS WELL. UM NOW I'M ON PAGE TWO OF NINE AND THAT SAME REPORT, WHICH IS AN OVERALL SO THE LOT IS THE PROPERTY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. YOU'LL SEE THE IDENTIFICATION OF LIKE 15 AND 14 , AND YOU'LL SEE THE STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. AND WHAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING NOW IS THE REAR WINGS OF THE PROPERTY

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ESSENTIALLY IS THE VARIANTS THAT'S BEING REQUIRED BECAUSE THAT PUTS ARE BUILDING COVERAGE.

THE ZONING FOR THIS AREA. THE M R ZONE HAS DISTINCT SEPARATION OF COVERAGE IN THAT THERE'S A BUILDING COVERAGE LIMIT OF 7% IN AN OVERALL TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE LIMIT OF 10. THIS IS THE BUILDING COVERAGE. BY VIRTUE OF THAT THIS EDITION GOES TO 7.7% SO SLIGHTLY OVER THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE 7. WHAT I'LL TELL YOU FROM AN OVERALL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE STANDPOINT.

IS THAT AND I'LL GO TO LATER PAGE AND THIS SAME REPORT. I'M NOW I'M ON PAGE FIVE OF NINE.

WHAT WERE YOU PROPOSED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION IS THERE'S AN EXISTING U SHAPED DRIVEWAY AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AS I STATED JUST MOMENTS AGO. THE ADDITION IS VERY SMALLER 112 SQUARE FEET AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SUCH THAT SO THAT THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. AS A RESULT OF THE PROJECT. IS, UH A NET ZERO. UH OR NO ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IN TOTAL ON THE SITE. WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE A SMALL PORTION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. JUST MAKING A LITTLE NARROW DRIVEWAY, BUT WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE SAME. YOU SAVE DRIVEWAY AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. AND NOW YOU SEE, ALSO, IN THIS VIEW, THE FRONT OF THE EXISTING DWELLING WITH THE ONE SINGLE DOOR IN THE FRONT. AND THE EXISTING FACADE, WHICH WILL REMAIN ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED, ALTHOUGH THE OTHER POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT OR IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS IN A DETERIORATED STATE SO IT WILL BE RENOVATED, ENHANCED UPGRADED UM AND, UM. ALSO ENHANCED FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT. ALSO PART OF THE PROJECT WILL BE A REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM. SO FROM ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT SERVICES THE PROPERTY NOW WHICH IS YOU KNOW VERY AGED, WILL BE REPLACED WITH MODERN TOTALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT CODE ADVANCED TYPE OF TREATMENT SYSTEM AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE OTHER BULK STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO THIS A LOT IN THIS AREA. THAT IS TOTAL LOT AREA. AH, UM FRONT YARD SETBACK. AS I JUST REFERRED TO THE BUILDING COVERAGE AND THE TOTAL LUCK COVERAGE TO TOTAL LOCK COVERAGE EXISTING TODAY IS 13.3% IT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN TO 12.7% BUT IT'S STILL ABOVE THE 10% MAX. BUT AS I JUST STATED IT'S NOT AS A RESULT OF A NET INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE . THERE'S ACTUALLY A SLIGHT DECREASE IN TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OF THE PROJECT. BUT THE REASON FOR THAT CALCULATION AND A REDUCTION IN THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE MERGER OF THE TWO LOTS THAT IS COMBINING LOTS , 13, 14 AND 15. THERE'S ALSO BEEN A REQUEST THAT WE DEDICATE SOME ROAD FRONTAGE. THIS IS A LONG, UH DESIGN WARTS VILLE ROAD RIGHT NOW THERE IS A RIGHT AWAY . BUT THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST THAT WE DEDICATE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY ALONG OUR FRONTAGE. SO THE BASICALLY THE HALF ACRE LOT. IS REDUCED BY DOMINUS.

AMOUNT UM, BUT BY VIRTUE OF THE CALCULATION, THE OFFICIAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS REDUCED TO THAT 12.7% THAT I REFERRED TO AND THEN BY VIRTUE OF THE RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW LESS THAN 100 REQUIRED. IT'S 68.2 TO THE FRONT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND AS PART OF THE RENOVATION TO THE STRUCTURE. THE ADDITION AS I JUST DESCRIBED IS THAT THE REAR THERE'S NO ADDITION BEING PROPOSED AT THE FRONT. JUST I'LL SAY COSMETIC AND STRUCTURAL ENHANCEMENTS, TO REPLACE AND ENHANCE EXISTING BUILDING MATERIALS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. BUT THE FRONT SETBACK OF 68.2 FT TODAY GOES DOWN TO 59.7 FT BY VIRTUE OF THAT RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION. AND THEN AGAIN. AH SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO

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UM, THE SPECIFIC UH. COMMITMENTS BY THE APPLICANT VERY DISTANT, STATED THE SEVEN TREES THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. THERE'S BEEN ALSO SUGGESTION IN, I THINK A NUMBER OF THE REVIEW MEMORANDUM THAT THE 50 FT FRONTAGE. WE HAVE A NARROW FRONTAGE AND I'LL GO BACK TO THE OTHER ILLUSTRATION EARLIER. UH SO THERE'S A 50 FT WIDE LOT. THERE'S THIS GRASS AREA BETWEEN THE U SHAPED DRIVEWAY. THERE'S A SUGGESTION THAT A SHADE TREE BE PLANTED THERE FOR, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS. THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE TO DO THAT WITH THE SELECTION OF THE TREE SPECIES AND THE PLANTING OF THE LOCATION OF THE PLANTING OF THE STREET. TREE BE DETERMINED WITH THE BOARDS. LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, MR BART ALONE. THERE WAS ALSO SOME REFERENCES TO EXISTING DEBT OR DISEASE TREES, AND I'M CERTAINLY PROBABLY AWARE, YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF TREES AND WOODED AREAS THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP WITH THE YOU KNOW DIFFERENT TYPES OF BLIGHTS THE APPLICANT, UM, IS PROPOSING TO REMOVE ONE TREE WHERE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS BEING PROPOSED THAT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM DESIGNED. IT'S ACTUALLY A DEAD TREE NOW. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY OTHER TREES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE DWELLING THAT WOULD WARRANT REMOVAL AND THAT WOULD BE MORE FOR I'LL SAY, BECAUSE OF DANGER TO THE STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, GIVEN A CONSTRUCTION IN THE 19 FIFTIES AND TREES THAT ARE PLANTED NEAR THE DWELLING OR ALLOWED TO GROW NEAR THE DWELLING, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY DON'T SEEM TO POSE ANY DANGER. BUT OVER TIME DO THEY MAY BE REMOVED AS WELL AS ANY DEBTOR DISEASE TREES, BUT THERE'S NO TREES THAT ARE TO BE REMOVED AS A RESULT. DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION BECAUSE, AS YOU SEE , IT'S REALLY JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, FILLING INTO THE GAP AND WITH REGARDS TO CONSTRUCTION ACCESS THAT WOULD BE DOWN THIS NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S NO TREES IMPACTED. SO THE. OUTLINED THE EXTENDED THE LANDSCAPING THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. UM WITH REGARDS TO OTHER REVIEW MEMORANDUM. WE GO TO THE. THE OPEN SPACE. AND I'M REFERRING TO A NOVEMBER 22ND 2022 REVIEW MEMORANDUM BY LAUREN WILL ZUKOVSKY, THE OPEN SPACE AND STEWARDSHIP DIRECTOR. I ALREADY SPOKE TO THE TRUTH STREET TREE. UM, THAT THERE'S ALSO, UM, A REFERENCE TO THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE REGARDING SIDEWALKS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, AND I KNOW THERE'S UM YOU KNOW, ONGOING FOCUS ON TRYING TO PROVIDE SIDE AND LOCKS WERE APPROPRIATE IN THE TOWNSHIP. THE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IN THIS SITE. THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR SIDEWALKS AND AGAIN. I WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT THERE'S NOT EVEN A WAIVER NEEDED FOR THE PLACEMENT OF SIDEWALKS BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT REQUIRED AT THIS LOCATION. REFERRED TO THE STREET TREE REQUIREMENT ALREADY , AND WE'RE NOT SEEKING A WAIVER OR AGREE TO PLANT THAT TREE. THIS WAS ASKING POINTS OUT CORRECTLY THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S A NARROW LAW. THERE ARE THE TWO DRIVEWAY CURB CUTS. THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING UTILITY POLE WITH OVERHEAD LINES THAT SERVICE THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY PLACEMENT OF THAT TREE AND THE SPECIES OF THAT TREE WOULD BE DETERMINED WITH MR BARTEL LOANS GUIDANCE, SO THERE IS A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT TREE . EVEN YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BEYOND THE DRIVEWAY OR IN THE REAR YARD. WE WOULD AGREE TO DO THAT WITH MR BARTEL LOANS. UH CONCURRENCE REVIEW IN THE SATISFACTION. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING. UM. REPLACEMENT TREES FOR THE FOR THE DEAD OR DISEASED TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED WITH THE HALF ACRE LOT AND I'LL GET TO IN A MOMENT. THERE ARE EXISTING WOODS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY BEYOND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. UM MISS WAZOWSKI SUGGESTS THAT THE BOARD OR THE APPLICANT, CONSIDER PLACING A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OVER THAT WOODED AREA. TO PRESERVE IT, AND I'LL REPORT TO THE BOARD THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. UM AND SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DESCRIPTION FOR THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LOTS TO BE

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TELL ME IF I AM MISSING ANYTHING. I THINK THE ONES THAT ARE CHANGING ARE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IS CHANGING SLIGHTLY AGAIN , AND YOUR TESTIMONY IS BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. DEDICATION.

THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK IS CHANGING BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION. THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE IS CHANGING BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSAL. ARE THERE OTHER THAN THOSE THREE OR ANY OF THE OTHER? PREEXISTING DEVIATIONS CHANGING. TOTAL COVERAGE THAT I DESCRIBED EARLIER. CHANGES BY VIRTUE OF THE RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION. WHERE IS THAT ON YOUR CHART IS UH, BLOCK COVERAGE? YES, SIR. BUT BUT IT'S GOING DOWN. I'M TALKING , OKAY? ANYTHING THAT'S BEING EXACERBATED, CORRECT. ASKING ABOUT DOESN'T COMPLY, BUT IT'S GOING DOWN. CORRECT OKAY, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE. CORRECT SO I ASSUME HEARING YOUR TESTIFY THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR A C TWO FLEXIBLE C VARIANTS FOR THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID WAS IT'S GOING TO PROMOTE AESTHETICS, AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO BASICALLY UPGRADE THE DWELLING WHICH WOULD ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MY CORRECT ABOUT THAT. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WOULD BE A C ONE HARDSHIP VARIANTS FOR THE FRONT YARD AND THE MINIMUM LOT AREA BECAUSE YOUR ARGUMENT IS GOING TO BE IF YOU WANT THAT, RIGHT, AVOID DEDICATION. YOU'RE FORCING US TO EXASPERATE THOSE CONDITIONS GRANTED TO SEE ONE AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE DEDICATION. IF YOU DON'T GIVE US THE C ONE. YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE DEDICATION DID NOT. YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT. BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? OKAY AND ALSO THE NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THE RESTORATION AND IMPROVEMENT OF A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE. RIGHT? SO LET ME JUST ASK OUR PLANNER YOU DO YOU THINK THOSE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT BEING TOUCHED? IS IT A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA TO GRANT VARIANCES FOR THEM? JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE? AND THE THINGS THAT DON'T CHANGE OR NOT. SO EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY. UM . I'M ALWAYS OF THE OPINION THAT, UM IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE NONCONFORMING, IT'S BEST TO MAKE IT LEGAL IF IT HASN'T BEEN SO AND SO, TO PUT IT IN THE RESOLUTION, SOMETHING CLEARLY BC ONES BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT. EXACTLY. THEN I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY FOR THE RIGHT WAYS. MEN AND THE CONSERVATION HAS BEEN IN THE SHADE TREE. I THINK THAT SHOWS LOTS OF GOOD FAITH IS. ARE THERE ANY BOARD QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I HAVE A QUESTION. UM YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE TAKING POTENTIALLY TAKING DOWN SOME DEAD DISEASED TREES, WHICH ARE POSSIBLY CAUSING A HAZARD TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE . HAS THAT BEEN CONFIRMED THAT THEY ARE DISEASED OR DEAD OR POSING A HAZARD BY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OF THE TOWNSHIP? THE LANDSCAPE MARKET. DUCK DOESN'T REFER TO THEM. BUT IN I'LL SAY THE OPEN SPACE MEMORANDUM THERE . THERE IS REFERENCE TO THEM. THERE WAS A SITE VISIT, AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED THEM. THEY IDENTIFY THEM AND CERTAINLY LIKE I'VE SEEN MANY APPLICATIONS ARE LANDSCAPING WOULD ALL BE SUBJECT TO MR BARTEL LOANS, REVIEW AND

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AND, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS DIFFICULT TO NEGOTIATE. UH AROUND THERE WITH THE AH WITH AN SUV. UH, OH, I AM. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT IF AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE EITHER A FIRE TRUCK OR EVEN AN AMBULANCE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN THERE. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO WE GET SOME SORT OF OPINION ON ON THAT? OKAY THE LOOKING AT YOU FROM FROM A ACCESS STANDPOINT.

TYPICALLY I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A TYPE, WHERE WHERE SHE WOULD KIND OF TURN AND I BY LOOKING AT IT.

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GREAT THANK YOU SO MUCH. EXCUSE ME. I SAID ONE MORE COMMENT, WHICH IS AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. SO FIRST UP, MR FORD. THANK YOU FOR USING MY REPORT IS THE GUIDE DIDN'T REALLY PREPARING IT AT ANY TIME. UM THE DRIVEWAY. THERE'S AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT THAT A DRIVEWAY CAN'T BE WITHIN 10 FT. OF PROPERTY LINE IF WE'RE KIND OF, UH, NOT SURE, DOING MORE WITH THE VARIANCES BY GIVING A VARIANCE FOR EVERY NONCONFORMITY . WE MIGHT WANT TO ALSO CONSIDER DOING ONE FOR THE DRIVEWAY DISTANCE TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE SECTION SUITABLE MOMENT. IT IS A 16 DISH. 4.2 E. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE THE BOY SAYING THAT DRIVEWAY CAN STAY RIGHT WHERE IT IS. AND IF YOU'RE GRANTING VARIANCES SHE WANTED VARIANCES. FOR ALL THE OTHER DEVIATIONS.

YOU MIGHT AS WELL THROW THIS ONE INTO THE POT. THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT. MY ONLY COMMENT. COMMENT ALRIGHT, OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS APPLICATION. MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. AGAIN. IN FAVOR. I CALL THE ROLE SHARING. I'M SORRY. UM CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND THERE ARE THERE ARE A FEW CONDITIONS. UM ONE IS THEY IS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. IS THAT I HAVE SIX OF THEM. BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THEM, I WILL. BUT I TOOK GOOD NOTES. IF YOU BUT GO AHEAD. I THINK CONSOLIDATION TO MERGE THE TWO LOTS. DEDICATION OF THE ROAD FRONTAGE PLANT SHADE TREES IN THE SHADE TREE IN THE GRASS AREA WITHIN THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY TREE SELECTIONS TO THE SATISFACTION OF MR BARD ALONE. LANDSCAPING SELECTION TO BE TO THE SATISFACTION OF MR BART ALONE. UM. CONSERVATION EASEMENT OVER THE WOODED AREA PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THE BOARD STANDARD CONDITIONS WHICH ARE IN THE BOARD'S RULES. IT'S ME. WHO ARE YOU, RIGHT? UM SO JUST ONE THING AND, UM I DIDN'T PRODUCE A REVIEW MEMO. I DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION, OBVIOUSLY PREPARED TO DISCUSS ANY ANYTHING THAT THE BOARD MAY WANT TO DISCUSS. ONE ITEM THAT'S IN MS WESOLOWSKI. UH, REVIEW MEMO, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ACTUALLY COVERED AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS ADDRESSED. ITEM NUMBER THREE ON PAGE THREE. COORDINATES REQUIRES 14 TREES PER ACRE. AH, FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN ACCORDANCE TO 16-56 POINT D THREE. THE AFRICANS PROPOSING WHICH IN THIS CASE RESULTS IN SIX TREES THE AFGHAN IS PROPOSING SEVEN UH UM. I'M SORRY EVANS PLAN INDICATES THAT SEVEN SHADE TREES ARE PROPOSED. HOWEVER, THOSE TREES ARE ACTUALLY SEVEN. JANE GREEN OR PROVIDES ALONG THE SIDE, WHICH ARE REALLY MORE OF A BUFFER PLANTING. AND MS WESOLOWSKI POINTS OUT THAT THAT BUFFER PLANTINGS ARE SEPARATE FROM SHAPE TREATMENT THING. SO EITHER YOU'D BE GRANTING THAT VARIANCE . LET ME JUST APOLOGIZE AGAIN IS THIS THIS IS THE ORDINANCE PROVISIONS WHERE THE BOARD IN THE PAST HAS SAID THE CALCULATION IS GOING TO BE DONE.

BY THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE CORRECT. WE HAVE NOT YET IN THE PAST. YES IF THAT WAS DONE, HOW MANY TREES WOULD RESULT DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER SO THERE? WELL WE CONSIDERED IN OUR REVIEW OF THE GREEN AND JANE ARE PROVIDED TO BE A TREE. SO EVEN WITHOUT DOING IT THE WAY YOU'RE MENTIONING WITH THE WAIVER, WHICH GRANTS IT JUST FOR AREA DISTURBANCE, UM, THE PROPERTIES A LITTLE UNDER HALF AN ACRE, SO THEY REQUIRED 6.538 TREES, PROPOSING SEVEN EQUIVALENT OF SEVEN TREES. EXACTLY MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THE BOARD IN INTERPRET THIS OF YOU DON'T HAVE TO GRANT ANY FURTHER RELIEF. INTERPRET WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AS THE EQUIVALENT OF SEVEN TREES , WHICH IS ONE MORE TREE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO WITH THE STRAIGHT APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. YEAH AND THANK YOU, MR DODGES. BRING THAT UP. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT TO THE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CONSERVATION. HE'S BEEN HAVING TO BE FILED BEFORE IT GETS A BUILDING PERMIT, THE DEED OF CONSOLIDATION AND THE RIGHT AWAY. DEDICATION WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE FILED BEFORE HE GETS THE POINT. GOOD POINT GOOD POINT.

MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSAL. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER MOTION TO, UM TO APPROVE

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CORRECT SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG. NUMBER. TWO NUMBER 36 NOT PAID NOT JUMPING TO THE 36 PAGE IN THE PDF, RIGHT, CORRECT YOU THIS , UH, PORTION OF THE DOCUMENT TALKS ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY STRUGGLE WITH STRUGGLE WITH SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER IN THE UNITED STATES AND 2021. AND, UM. FOR 18 TO 25 YEAR OLDS. THE NUMBER IS 24.9% OF THE POPULATION HAVE A SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. 26/14 0.8% OF THE POPULATION OF A SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. AND AGAIN THAT'S WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. CORRECT CORRECT. THE SECOND PAGE I WILL BE REFERENCING IS PAGE 50. AND THIS IS DATA IN REGARDS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY QUALIFY FOR TREATMENT, NOT HOW MANY PEOPLE RECEIVE TREATMENT, BUT WOULD QUALIFY FOR TREATMENT IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 TO 25 25.1% OF PEOPLE WOULD QUALIFY FOR TREATMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND 26 OVER IT'S 15.1% OF PEOPLE. OKAY NOW LOOKING AT THESE STATISTICS, WHAT THEY TELL US AND WHAT THEY TELL YOU IS THE NEED FOR THESE TYPES OF TREATMENT FACILITIES, BOTH NATIONALLY STATEWIDE AND LOCALLY WITHIN THE COUNT, CORRECT, I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE IMPORTANT AND GREATER THAN EVER. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY TYPE OF AUTHORITY OR COMMENTARY? THAT IS. ROBUST THIS CONCLUSION THAT SAYS THERE'S ENOUGH TREATMENT FACILITIES THAT ANY STATISTICS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IN THE FIELD THAT SAY THERE'S ENOUGH FACILITIES LIKE THIS OUT THERE.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING. OKAY? WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE NEED FOR THESE FACILITIES IS ACUTE. YES.

DOES THE EXISTING DEMAND FOR THESE FACILITIES EXCEED YOUR ABILITY TO SUPPLY THE SPACES FOR INDIVIDUALS SEEKING TREATMENT? YES. IS THERE A WAIT LIST FOR MANY OF THESE FACILITY IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IS THEIR WAITLIST, ESPECIALLY LOCALLY AND STATEWIDE FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.

TYPICALLY, THERE IS OKAY. SO WOULD I BE ACCURATE IN SAYING THAT THESE FACILITIES SUCH AS YOURS? RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT PROGRAMS FOR THOSE SUFFERING THROUGH THE DISEASE OF ADDICTION. THAT THE NEED FOR THEM IS ACUTE AND COMPELLING. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.

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TYPICALLY WE GET WEIGHT IN THAT QUEUE FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN GET ASSIGNED A PROCESSOR AT THE STATE. SO THE PROCESSOR AT THE STATE LEVEL WILL THEN REQUEST YOUR POLICY AND PROCEDURE MANUAL. THIS MANUAL'S TYPICALLY ANYWHERE FROM 100 TO 2 PAGES LONG DETAILING OUT EVERY WHICH WAY THAT YOUR FACILITY MUST OPERATE AND THESE POLICIES ARE BASED ON THE REGULATIONS AND STATUES THAT THE STATE HAS IN PLACE, AND THEY HAVE A 400 PAGE DOCUMENT REGULATING EVERYTHING SHOWING YOU HOW YOU MUST OPERATE YOUR FACILITY. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE POLICIES AND REGULATIONS AS OPERATIONS OF OTHER FACILITY? COULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? SURE. SO THE STAFF YOU HAVE TO HAVE ON SITE THE BACKGROUND PROCESS. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT PROCESS EACH INDIVIDUAL STAFF MEMBER HAS TO GO THROUGH TO GET THEIR LICENSES CHECKED BY THE STATE. UM THE ACTUAL FACILITY ITSELF. WHAT THE FOOTPRINT HAS TO BE HOW MANY SQUARE FEET HAVE TO BE ON SITE. IT'S A VERY DETAILED PROCESS. SO ONCE THEY GET YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE TWO MATCHES THE STATE'S REGULATIONS AND THEY WILL START CHECKING YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES LINE BY LINE. THIS PROCESS USUALLY TAKES 6 TO 8 MONTHS, SO IT'S A VERY COMPLEX LONG PROCESS. THEY WILL COME BACK, GIVE YOU EDITS AND REVISIONS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE ON HOW YOUR FACILITY MUST OPERATE. ONCE THEY DEEM YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES COMPLETE . THEY WILL THEN ASK FOR YOUR STAFFING SHEET. SO THE REQUEST EVERY STAFF MEMBER THAT YOU WILL HAVE ON SITE ALL THE LICENSES AND ALSO BACKGROUND CHECKS, AND THEY EXPECT FINGERPRINTS AS WELL. SO THESE HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE AS WELL AND APPROVED BY THE STATE, SO THERE IS A VERY RIGOROUS PROCESS DONE BY THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE OPERATING YOUR FACILITY PROPERLY. ONCE THEY SEE YOUR STAFFING ROSTER DEEMED THAT COMPLETE. THEY WILL ACTUALLY COME ON SITE AND REVIEW YOUR SITE PLANTS SO THEY'LL LOOK AT THE SITE. MAKE SURE IT'S 88 COMPLIANT. IT HAS THE PROPER GROUP ROOMS. COUNSELORS OFFICES , FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM WILL REALLY MAKE SURE ALL YOUR PROPERTY IS LINED UP WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT THE STATE HAS. ONCE THEY DEEM THAT COMPLETE. THEY THEN WILL ISSUE YOU A CONDITIONAL LICENSE SO YOU CAN OPERATE AT YOUR FACILITY. THEY WILL COME BACK OUT WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF YOU. OPERATING CHECK YOUR OPERATIONS. MAKE SURE IT LINES UP PERFECTLY. WITH THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE MANUAL. THEY WILL GIVE YOU ANY EDITS OR REVISIONS OF HOW YOU MUST OPERATE YOUR FACILITY AND THEN GIVE YOU YOUR FULL LICENSE. ONCE YOU RECEIVE YOUR FULL LICENSE, THEY WILL COME BACK OUT YEARLY TO DO AUDITS OF YOUR FACILITY. OKAY AND JUST TO BE CLEAR THIS LICENSING PROCESS, UM, WAS VERY SIMILAR FOR THE CRAWFORD HOUSE HAD TO GO TO CORRECT CORRECT BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAD A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY LICENSE. CORRECT THEY DID. OKAY SO THEY WERE DOING THE YEARLY INSPECTIONS. THEY OKAY? THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN THAT ACCREDITATION GOING FORWARD. YES SIR. JUST TO BE CLEAR. THIS IS WE'RE SPEAKING OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE COMMISSIONERS IS THIS LICENSING PROCESS. CORRECT THAT IS CORRECT EVERY LICENSES SIGNED BY THE COMMISSIONER. SO. LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE AS TO THE PROPOSED FACILITY THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD? UM GENERALLY HOW THIS FACILITY WILL OPERATE. I THINK, STARTING WITH WHO'S GOING TO COME TO THIS FACILITY WHO WAS WHO WAS ALLOWED TO ATTEND THIS FACILITY. YES. SO OUR FACILITY WILL STRICTLY BE A PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE FACILITY. SO WHAT THAT MEANS WE REALLY CATER TO WORKING CLASS PROFESSIONALS.

DOCTORS LAWYERS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, PEOPLE IN CORPORATE FINANCE, UH WHITE COLLAR AND BLUE COLLAR WORKERS. MOST PEOPLE COMING TO OUR FACILITY WILL UTILIZE FMLA, WHICH IS THE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT TO COME TO OUR FACILITY. SO NOW IF YOU IDENTIFY AS HAVING A SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER QUALIFIES UNDER THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT, SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO LEAVE WORK, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER MEDICAL CONDITION. GET YOUR TREATMENT AND THEN RETURN TO

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BEHAVIORAL WHAT TAX TECH TAX. YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WHAT THOSE ARE. BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEXT. MAIN JOB RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MONITOR THE FACILITY IN PATIENTS AT ALL TIMES, SO THEY WILL BE MONITORING ALL EXIT POINTS AND SUPERVISING ALL THE PATIENTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. NOW WHEN YOU'RE TALKING MONITORING PATIENTS. YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE LAST MEETING AND THERE'S A CAMERA SYSTEM PROPOSED WITHIN THE FACILITY. CORRECT YES, WE WILL HAVE CAMERAS AND ALL THE COMMON AREAS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY ON ALL EXIT POINTS AT THE FACILITY AND THEN ON THE OUTSIDE EXIT POINTS AS WELL THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY , THIS CAMERA AND THESE CAMERAS WILL BE LINKED UP TO A TV IN THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEXT OFFICE. SO ONE TECH WILL BE MONITORING THESE CAMERAS AT ALL TIMES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE WILL BE CAMERAS WITHIN ALL COMMON AREAS AND COVERING ALL THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY, AND SOMEONE WILL BE MONITORING THOSE CAMERAS. 24 7 CORRECT AND AT THE SAME TIME THERE WILL BE TEXT MONITORING THE PATIENTS ON THE GROUND WALKING, CHECKING THE ROOMS, ETCETERA. YES I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THERE WILL BE A SECURITY SYSTEM JUST LIKE MANY HOUSES HAVE THAT IF A DOOR OPENS TO GO OUTSIDE IT THINGS AND GOES OFF AND ALERT STAFF MEMBERS AS WELL. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT. AS TO THE PATIENTS, THE RESIDENTS WILL BE HERE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT AS TO THE ADMISSIONS PROCESS FOR THEM? YES SO WE DO HAVE A VERY THOROUGH ADMISSIONS PROCESS SO WE REALLY CAN ONLY TAKE LOW RISK PATIENTS SO WE CAN ONLY TREAT PEOPLE FROM A MEDICAL STANDPOINT, UM, FOR THEIR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. WE CANNOT PROVIDE ANY PRIMARY MEDICAL CARE SERVICES AND WE CANNOT TREAT PRIMARY MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. SO REALLY ONLY LOW RISK PATIENTS CAN COME AND ENTER TO OUR FACILITY, UM, FROM FROM A MEDICAL STANDPOINT OF ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. WE CAN PROVIDE MEDICATION, MONITOR THEIR MEDICATION THAT THEIR OWN AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN TAKE VITALS THROUGHOUT THE DAY IF THERE WAS GOING TO SAY SHOPPING BACK TO THAT EMISSIONS PROCESS OF THE TYPE OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT SOMEONE FROM BEING ADMITTED INTO THE FACILITY. COULD YOU GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WOULD BE AN IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFIER FOR A POTENTIAL PATIENT TO THE FACILITY? SO ANY HIGH PSYCHIATRIC CASES COMPLEX MEDICAL CONDITIONS ANYONE WITH A VIOLENT HISTORY OR VIOLENT PAST AND ANY SEX OFFENDERS ARE IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFICATIONS FROM OUR FACILITY. AND YOU'RE CHECKING POLICE RECORDS CRIMINAL RECORDS TO ENSURE THAT RIGHT. OKAY SO WHAT'S THE ON BOARDING PROCESS LOOK LIKE AFTER THAT

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UM, HOW DO THEY GET TO THE FACILITY? HOW DO THEY START? YES SO WE WILL BE UTILIZING A TRANSPORTATION SERVICE SO UNDER NO CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES IS ANY INDIVIDUAL ALLOWED TO HAVE A VEHICLE ON SITE AT OUR PROPERTY . I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF INDIVIDUALS WILL BE UTILIZING THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICE ONCE THEY'RE APPROVED TO COME TO OUR FACILITY. UNDER RARE OCCURRENCES AND IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR LOVED ONE CAN DROP OFF THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED IN ADVANCED BY A STAFF MEMBER. OKAY, SO. IN PRACTICE, SOMEONE WOULD CALL AND SAY I'M INTERESTED IN ENTERING THIS FACILITY AND YOU WOULD COORDINATE A TIME FOR THE VAN TO GO AND PICK THEM UP AT THEIR RESIDENTS TO BRING THEM TO THE FACILITY. YES AFTER AFTER THE SCREENING PROCESS, A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL WOULD HAVE ON THE PHONE. WE USING ELEKTRONIK MEDICAL RECORD SYSTEM KEEP OOH, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUESTIONS GIVEN BY THE STATE THAT WE HAVE TO ASK THESE INDIVIDUALS AND MAKE SURE THEY PASSED THE SCREENING PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY WE GO THROUGH ANY DISQUALIFICATIONS. AND THEN IF THEY'RE APPROVED, WE WOULD SEND A TRANSPORTATION SERVICE TO PICK THEM UP. OKAY? SO. AS DISCUSSED. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS BOTH A DETOX AND AN INPATIENT FACILITY. SO STARTING WITH THE DETOX CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT THAT DETOX PROCESS ENTAILS? YES SO THE DETOX PORTION OF TREATMENT REALLY DEALS WITH THE PHYSICAL DEPENDENCE ON SUBSTANCES, SO SOMEONE IS COMING TO OUR FACILITY TO DETOX OFF THESE SUBSTANCES. IT'S TYPICALLY AROUND 5 TO 7 DAYS LONG AND IT'S MONITORED 24 7 BY A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL. SO TYPICALLY, A NURSE WOULD BE MONITORING THESE INDIVIDUALS. AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE VERY LIMITED ON THE SCOPE OF MEDICAL SERVICES WE CAN PROVIDE . SO WE'RE NOT A PRIMARY CARE FACILITY. WE CAN'T TREAT ANY PRIMARY MEDICAL CARE ISSUES WERE NOT A PRIMARY MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES SO WE CAN'T TREAT ANY OF THOSE ISSUES AS WELL. WE CAN STRICTLY ONLY TREAT THE SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS MEDICATION MANAGEMENT. WE CAN PROVIDE THE MEDICATION. WE CAN MONITOR THEM WHILE THEY'RE ON THIS MEDICATION, AND WE CAN TAKE THEIR VITALS THROUGHOUT THE DAY . ANY ABNORMAL VITALS WITH ANY INDIVIDUALS, WE WOULD HAVE TO REFER THESE INDIVIDUALS TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE TO TREAT THESE COMPLEX MEDICAL CASES.

OKAY? AND JUST SO IT'S CLEAR. WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF GOING THROUGH THIS MEDICAL DETOX HERE, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO DO IT AT HOME OR ELSEWHERE. WHY IS IT SOMEONE? WHY WOULD SOMEONE BE INTERESTED IN GOING INTO THIS FACILITY TO DETOX HERE? YES SO IT IS A MUCH COMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT. OBVIOUSLY, THE MEDICATION HELPS WITH THEIR DETOX PROCESS AND MAKES THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AND IT'S ALSO ALSO A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO GET HELP, OKAY? I KNOW. WE MENTIONED THAT THE LAST MEETING BUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THERE THEY'RE COMING THROUGH THIS DETOX. THEY'VE MADE THAT DETERMINATION TO BEGIN THIS DETOX PROCESS. CORRECT THERE'S NO ONE THERE THAT IS BEING ORDERED BY A COURT OR AS PART OF A DRUG COURT INITIATIVE, OR OR WHATEVER EVERYONE THERE IS THERE BECAUSE THEY HAD MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THEY WERE READY TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF RECOVERY. YES THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE THERE ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL AND THEY'VE MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY WANT TO ENTER THE RECOVERY PROCESS. OKAY? SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INPATIENT PORTION . SO JUST THE DETOX. HOW LONG NORMALLY DOES THAT TAKE PROCESS IS ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 7 DAYS, SO IT'S A VERY SHORT PROCESS CAN BE AS LONG AS 10 DAYS BUT TYPICALLY 5 TO 7 DAYS, OKAY? AND ONCE YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THAT 5 TO 7 DAY PROCESS YOU YOU ENTER THE INPATIENT PORTION OF THE FACILITY. CORRECT CORRECT. COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WITH WHAT THAT MEANS? SO THE RESIDENTIAL INPATIENT PORTION OF THE PROGRAM IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN THE THERAPEUTIC ENVIRONMENT IS CRAWFORD HOUSE? UM, MOST INDIVIDUALS, THIS IS REALLY THE CHANCE FOR THEM TO TREAT THE CAUSES AND CONDITIONS OF THEIR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER, SO IT'S A VERY THERAPEUTIC, FOCUSED ENVIRONMENT. IT DEALS WITH COPING MECHANISMS TRIGGERS ON WHY THEY USE ANY PAST TRAUMA THAT THEY MAY HAVE HAD CAUSING THEM TO USE. AND THEN HOW TO DEAL WITH LIFE ON THE OUTSIDE. ONCE THEY GRADUATE, THE PROGRAM.

THIS PROCESS IS ANYWHERE FROM 14 TO 20 DAYS LONG. AND IT'S IN A CONTROLLED SETTING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE TIME. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT CONTROLLED SETTING, SO THIS IS WHERE THEY WILL GET COUNSELING SERVICES SO THEY WILL MEET WITH THEIR CASE MANAGER, THEIR INDIVIDUAL COUNSELOR, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE DAY WILL BE ATTENDING GROUP THERAPY, SO IT'S A VERY CONTROLLED SETTING WHERE THEY'RE BEING MONITORED AND PARTICIPATING IN GROUP THERAPY, INDIVIDUAL THERAPY AND CASE MANAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, OKAY, ONE OF THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED AT IN THE DECEMBER MEETING WAS THE ABILITY OF RESIDENTS BOTH IN THE DETOX AND IN THE INPATIENT PORTION OF THE FACILITY, THEIR ABILITY TO LEAVE TO GO OUT. UM CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT AS TO WHAT THEY ARE PERMITTED TO DO AS RESIDENTS OF THE FACILITY? SO ONCE THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM, THEY'RE THERE FOR

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IF THEY WANT TO GO BACK HOME, WANT TO LEAVE THE FACILITY. WE WILL HELP SAFELY TRANSPORT THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO IT WOULD BE ONE COIN, THE EMERGENCY CONTACT AND EITHER HAVING AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR WEALTH, ONE PICKED THEM UP, OR WE WOULD UTILIZE OUR TRANSPORTATION SERVICE TO BRING THEM BACK HOME, OKAY? I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT. THESE INDIVIDUALS. WHEN THEY COME TO OUR FACILITY, THEY DO TURN OVER THEIR PHONE, THEIR WALLETS, CREDIT CARDS AND CASH THEY HAVE SO THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE TO BE CALLING IT JUST RANDOM PEOPLE TO PICK THEM UP. THEY DON'T HAVE CASH ON THEM EITHER, AS WELL SO AND IN YOUR EXPERIENCE. HOW OFTEN IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS MADE A DETERMINATION TO ENTER THIS PROGRAM SUDDENLY SAYS I WANT TO LEAVE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FIND IS A FREQUENT OCCURRENCE. IT'S NOT A FREQUENT OCCURRENCE, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO GO, MAYBE THEY ONLY GO FOR THE DETOX PORTION AND THEY SAY, HEY, I DON'T WANT TO STAY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF TREATMENT. OR MAYBE THEY'RE IN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF TREATMENT AND SAY THEY'RE JUST DONE WITH TREATMENT . AT THAT POINT. IT IS VERY RARE, THOUGH, OKAY, AND OBVIOUSLY THE DOORS. THE FACILITIES ARE NOT LOCKED, BUT THEY ARE ALARMS. SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO LEAVE, THE ALARMS WOULD GO OFF AND IN ADDITION TO THE TEXT ON THE GROUND TEXT WATCHING THE CAMERA SETUP. IT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY APPARENT THAT SOMEONE IS ATTEMPTING TO STOP THEIR TREATMENT AND LEAVE CORRECT. I DON'T REALLY SEE WHY SOMEONE WOULD JUST WANT TO WALK OUT WHEN THEY CAN APPROACH HER STAFF MEMBERS AND SAY, HEY, I'M DONE WITH TREATMENT. CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME GET BACK TO A SAFE PLACE? I DON'T REALLY SEE A REASON WHY SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SOMEONE TRIED TO WALK OUT THE FRONT DOOR. THE SUPERVISED AT ALL TIMES WOULD FOLLOW THEM. THEIR EMERGENCY CONTACT PERSON WOULD BE CALLED CORRECT, OKAY? AND I JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD WHEN THE INABILITY OF THEM THESE RESIDENTS TO LEAVE, OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAN THE CRAWFORD HOUSE MODEL HERE, IN WHICH MANY OF THEM HAD PART TIME JOBS, AND THEY WERE VISITED BY FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND UM, THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE NOT OFFERING THESE RESIDENTS THAT SAME ABILITY HERE , CORRECT? SO AS MR CURTIN SAID , INDIVIDUALS AT THE CRAWFORD HOUSE WHERE REQUIRED TO GO GET JOBS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY LEAVE THE SITE. IT WAS PART OF THE PROGRAM TO LEAVE THE SITE COME BACK TO THE SITE. ANY MEDICAL MEDICAL ISSUES MAY BE DONE OFF SITE FOR THE CRAWFORD HOUSE. FOR US. EVERYTHING IS DONE UNDER ONE ROOF, AND IT IS A VERY SECURE ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S NO REASON WHY SOMEONE WOULD JUST WANT TO WALK OFF SITE AND LEAVE. OKAY NOW, WHAT ABOUT FOOD? CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT? HOW KITCHEN SERVICES HOW THAT WORKS WITHIN THE FACILITY. SO THERE IS A COMMERCIAL GRADE KITCHEN ON SITE AND WE WILL HAVE A CHEF THAT PREPARES FOOD FOR THE INDIVIDUALS, BOTH BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER. RIGHT THERE IS A EXISTING LAUNDRY ROOM ON SITE AS WELL WHICH WE WILL BE UTILIZING. NO FOOD DELIVERIES COMING IN. THERE'S NO LAUNDRY TRUCKS COMING IN. THIS IS ALL HANDLED ON SITE. THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY AND THAT WAS HOW THE CRAWFORD HOUSE OPERATED. NOT SURE HOW THE CRAWFORD HOUSE DID THEIR FOOD ON SITE ON SITE. LAUNDRY WAS DONE ON SITE AS WELL. OKAY? AND FINALLY I KNOW THERE WAS COMMENTS AS TO OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES LIKE THIS WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. UM CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THESE OTHER FACILITIES WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND SOME OF THE WAYS THAT THEY'RE SIMILAR AND DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE? SURE SO I KNOW WHAT THE LAST HEARING I DID MENTION THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER FACILITY IN SOMERSET COUNTY, WHICH IS CARRIER CLINIC. I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH CARRIER CLINIC. IT'S NOT REALLY AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON OF OUR FACILITY, BUT THEY DO HOLD THE RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER LICENSE. THEY CAN ALSO TREAT PRIMARY CARE, MEDICAL ISSUES AND HIGH PSYCHIATRIC CASES, SO PRIMARY MENTAL HEALTH AS WELL, SO IT'S NOT REALLY SAME COMPARISON. THEY ALSO DON'T ONLY TAKE PRIVATE INSURANCE, AND THEY ARE ONLY THE ONLY HOSPITAL IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY THAT HAS A PSYCHIATRIC EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT

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CORRECT, OKAY? THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR MR KEMPSON AT THIS TIME. AH, GREAT. I. I I'LL OPEN IT UP BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF PERFORMANCE FOR THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS. BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS YOUR DOMAIN. IT IS CLEARLY IS NOT. UM THEN, UH, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE BASED ON THE TESTIMONY. IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO FIRST. I CAN DO THAT. NO PLEASE, PLEASE DO YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE MIDDLE MEDICAL DIRECTOR. IS THAT A DOCTOR, AN MD OR D O OR DOCTOR? AND SO THE DOCTOR DOES HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITHIN INDUSTRY, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE A SAM CERTIFIED. TO BE WHAT SAM CERTIFIED CAN PULL THAT UP. I THINK IT STANDS FOR. AMERICAN SOCIETY OF ADDICTION MEDICINE. SO TO SOCIETY THAT CERTIFIES DOCTORS. AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT TO GET THE LICENSE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. CORRECT. THANK YOU, UM CAN YOU GO THROUGH AGAIN WHEN YOU SAID FOLKS WERE NOT ALLOWED AND YOU HAVE TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK? UM RELATED TO I BELIEVE YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT CRIMINAL RECORD OR SOMETHING. COULD YOU JUST REPEAT THAT BECAUSE YOU WENT THROUGH IT. I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I HAVE THE NOTES ON THAT THE APPROPRIATE NOTES CORRECT SO WE WILL ASK INDIVIDUALS ABOUT ANY VIOLENT HISTORY VIOLENT PAST. VIOLENT BEHAVIORS AND RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THE INDIVIDUALS. OKAY AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT INCLUDES SEX OFFENDERS THAT INCLUDES ALSO INCLUDES DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CORRECT OKAY, YOU'RE CHECKING THEIR CRIMINAL RECORDS? YES. UM WELL, YOU SAID ALL PEOPLE TAKE A CAR SERVICE. I ASSUME YOU'RE REFERRING TO PATIENTS. YOU'RE NOT REFERRING TO EMPLOYEES AS WELL SO EMPLOYEES WILL DRIVE THEMSELVES TO THE FACILITY OR GET PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT IS CORRECT. UM AND EMPLOYEES PARK ON SITE. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, UM AND TALKING ABOUT SLIGHT DIFFERENCES OR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CRAWFORD HOUSE AND THIS USE. SO, UM AND IF I'M GETTING INTO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO ENGINEERING TESTIMONY, JOHN SHOULD I YEAH, THIS IS OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. UM IS THERE SUFFICIENT ON SITE PARKING FOR THE AMOUNT EMPLOYEES WHO WILL BE THERE? SO I'M NOT A PARKING PROFESSIONAL. I KNOW THERE IS. THINK 14 SPOTS ON SITE IF YOU DON'T KNOW. DON'T TAKE A GUESS AT IT. YEAH THAT'S FOR YOUR ENGINEER, RIGHT? CORRECT. UM SO THIS IS IT THIS QUESTION A LITTLE BIT TIES IN BUT I THINK HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE OPERATION. SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS ONE JUST JUST LET ME KNOW. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LOADING, SO I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS FACILITY YOU'VE EXPLAINED HOW IT'S DIFFERENT THAN CRAWFORD. UM THAT IT HAS. YOU WILL HAVE ON SITE MEDICAL AND CLINICAL SERVICES. SO DOES THAT CHANGE THE SUPPLY DELIVERY ROUTINE FROM CRAWFORD? SO YOU HAVE MORE DELIVERIES OF MEDICAL SUPPLIES, MORE DELIVERIES OF FOOD, MORE DELIVERIES OF ANYTHING? COMPARED TO CRAWFORD, SUCH THAT IT WOULD NECESSITATE MORE SPACE FOR LOADING IN SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS MORE FREQUENTLY THAN CRAWFORD HOUSE. AND THAT MIGHT BE AN ALGERIAN QUESTION. YES, QUESTION FOR HIM. YEAH I WILL SAY THERE WILL BE FOOD ON SITE JUST LIKE THE CRAWFORD HOUSE. THEY HAD FOOD ON SITE AT ALL TIMES. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE DELIVERY PROCESS OF WHAT THE CRAWFORD HOUSE HAD IN REGARDS TO MEDICATION OR DIFFERENT.

MEDICAL. UM. MEDICAL DELIVERIES AS WELL WHERE THE MEDICATIONS THAT PATIENTS ARE GOING TO BE TAKING. WHERE DO THEY COME FROM ? HOW DID THEY GET TO THE SITE? THAT'S WHAT MR CAVALESE ASKING? YES. SO IT IS FROM A PHARMACY. SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT AGREEMENT WITH THE PHARMACY THAT DELIVERS THE MEDICATION. DELIVER. CORRECT. OKAY UM, AND MY REASON FOR ASKING, THIS IS IF YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE A DENTAL OFFICE OR MEDICAL OFFICE OF PARTICULAR SIZE, WHETHER SMALLER LARGER IS THAT THEY DO REGULARLY GET AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE AN APPLE STAPLES COMPARISON. BUT THEY REGULARLY GET DELIVERIES, SOMETIMES FROM A UPS TRUCK OR SOME SOME OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLE . UM AND WITH THIS FACILITY, NOT BEING EQUIPPED WITH THE LOADING SPACE AT THIS TIME, UM DO YOU IS THE PLAN OR DO YOU KNOW HOW THIS PHARMACY DELIVERS SUPPLIES AS IT VIA OVEN IS THAT THEY'RE TEMPORARILY. IS IT A LONG TERM PROCESS OF KIND OF DROPPING OFF THAT MATERIAL? IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AT ALL, SO TYPICALLY, EVERY PHARMACY IS DIFFERENT. SOME WILL DELIVER.

SOME WILL LET YOU PICK UP THE MEDICATION, SOME DELIVER IN JUST A NORMAL CAR. PUT IT THIS WAY.

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YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY UM, AND AGAIN AND BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPARISONS TO THE PREVIOUS USE DURING TESTIMONY, UM IN MY RESEARCH AND WRITING MY PLANNING REPORT, AND AS IN THERE IS THE LENGTH OF STAY OF RESIDENTS AT THE CRAWFORD HOUSE. I BELIEVE IT'S 2 TO 6 MONTHS TYPICALLY, UM, WITH YOUR FACILITY, THE LENGTH OF STAY, SO IT'S JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S A DETOX THAT IS TYPICALLY 5 TO 7 DAYS AT A MAXIMUM OF 10. AND THEN THERE'S A 20 DAY PERIOD AFTER THAT, OKAY, UM. AND ALSO IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS. YOU REFER TO IT IN THE TOWNSHIP DOCUMENTS THAT TALK ABOUT THE CRAWFORD HOUSE. THEY REFER TO INDIVIDUALS STAYING THERE AS RESIDENTS IN THE APPLICATION. DIDN'T HEAR THAT. YOU DROPPED OFF THE END. I'M SORRY. OKAY, THAT AGAIN. SO, UM IN THE MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP RESOLUTIONS FOR THE PREVIOUS USE FOR THE CRAWFORD USE. INDIVIDUALS ARE REFERRED TO AS RESIDENTS IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR YOUR APPLICATION FOR WOODMONT. THEY'RE REFERRED TO AS SAYING. WE HAVE 22 BEDS, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE AMOUNT FOR CRAWFORD. SO IS THERE FOR THE BOARDS UNDERSTAND FOR THAT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN SAYING BEDS VERSUS RESIDENTS . DOES THAT IMPLY A DIFFERENCE? DOES THAT IMPLY ANY TYPE OF DIFFERENCE IN THE USE? OR IS IT JUST DIFFERENT WORDS MEANING THE SAME THING? DIFFERENT WORDS, MEANING THE SAME THING. DO YOU REFER TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THERE AS RESIDENTS, OR DO YOU REFER TO THEM AS PATIENTS, BOTH RESIDENTS, PATIENTS, CLIENTS, UM 20 BEDS. THAT MEANS IT'S UP TO 20 PEOPLE. 22 22 RESIDENTS GIVEN TIME RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE 22 PEOPLE. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY UM AND DOES THE FACT THAT FOLKS STAY THERE FOR A LOWER SHORTER LENGTH OF TIME THAN THEY DID A CRAWFORD HOUSE IN? UM, DOES THAT DOES THAT LEAD TO A CHANGE OF USE FOR INTENSITY IN ANYWAY? UM IN IN COMPARING THE PREVIOUS USE TO USE HAVING THIS IS THE INTENSITY DIFFERENT BY FOLKS BEING THERE FOR A SHORTER LENGTH OF TIME VERSUS LONGER DO YOU HAVE MORE TURNOVER AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY? IF IT'S TOO, GENERAL THE QUESTION I CAN TRY THAT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHAT HE'S ASKING IS DO YOU HAVE? IT WOULD SEEM THE THAT YOU HAVE MORE TURNOVER BECAUSE THEY HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE LONGER AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE SHORTER. IS HE CORRECT IN THAT ASSUMPTION THAT I WILL JUST SAY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO YOU? UNLESS YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION, DEPENDENT QUESTION. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DO THAT. HE'S TESTIFYING. THE TURNOVER IS QUICKER, BUT CRAWFORD HOUSE DID REQUIRE PATIENTS TO COME AND GO FROM SITE EVERY DAY. SO THE PATIENTS WERE LEAVING AND COMING TO THE FACILITY EVERY DAY. UM AT OUR FACILITY. YES THE TURNOVER TURNOVER WILL BE QUICKER, BUT THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE LEAVING AND COMING BACK. SO FROM AN INTENSITY PERSPECTIVE, WHILE RESIDENTS MAY COME MAY LEAVE MORE QUICKLY OVER THEIR OVERALL STAY. THERE IS LESS IN AND OUT BASED ON WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT IS ALLOWED OR WHAT THE PATIENT AGREES TO BEFORE GOING IN, SO THEY DON'T LEAVE AS MUCH. OR AT ALL. IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DO NOT LEAVE TREATMENT ONCE THEY'RE THERE UNTIL THEY'RE FINISHED, OR THEY WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK HOME

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IT IS LEGALLY THEIR RESIDENTS AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT IN A LOT OF WAYS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. WHEN YOU SAY IT'S LEGALLY , THE RESIDENTS EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE AS IT IS, THE RESIDENTS ARE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN. FEDERAL LAWS PROTECTING IT FOR THEIR RESIDENTS, AS IS ABLE TO INDIVIDUALS ISN'T SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY'RE JUST RECEIVING TREATMENT THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY RESIDING IN THIS FACILITY BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY. YOU'RE BASING THAT ON WHAT SO YOU SAID SOME SOME IS THAT WRITTEN SOMEWHERE THERE'S EXISTING CASE LAW THAT I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE TO THE BOARD. JUST ABSOLUTELY.

CASELOAD WITH YOUR REPRESENTING IS THE CASE. LAW SAYS THAT THE RESIDENTS CORRECT. YES, YOU COULD FORWARD THAT. YOU COULD FORWARD THAT. TO CHERYL WITH A COPY TO ME AND THEN PUT IT RIGHT UP ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY SO YOU WOULD CALL THEM LEGALLY RESIDENTS AND NOT PATIENTS. I THINK PATIENTS AND RESIDENTS FOR HOW IT OPERATES, MAYBE INTERCHANGEABLE, BUT LEGALLY SPEAKING, I THINK THEY'RE RESIDENTS. UM YOU REFERRED TO FOLKS LEAVING THE FACILITY ONLY FOR SMOKE BREAKS THAT ARE PERMITTED IN SUPERVISED. UM DOES THAT MEAN SO? SO I WENT TO THE PROPERTY AS PART OF MY INSPECTION AND SEEING THE REPORT THERE WAS I BELIEVE THERE WAS A GARDEN THERE. THERE LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS KIND OF OUTDOOR. SEATING AND FURNITURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT DO RESIDENTS OR PATIENTS DO THEY DON'T USE THOSE THINGS UNLESS IT'S FOR A SMOKE BREAK. IMAGINE ARE YOU ASKING IF THEY USED THE GARDENS AND EVERYTHING ALSO LIKE, UM DO YOU FOLKS LIKE, OR YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE LIKE YOU GO OUTSIDE AND YOU WALK AROUND, YOU'RE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITY. IT'S NOT JUST OUTDOORS, SO YOU HAVE TO REMAIN INDOORS THE ENTIRE TIME.

OTHER THAN A SUPERVISOR, MINT BREAK, CORRECT. SO YOU'RE WITHIN THE BUILDING? YES, OKAY. OKAY AND YOU SAID THAT IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT SOMEBODY LEAVES EARLIER BEFORE THEIR TREATMENT IS COMPLETE. DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE PERCENTAGE OF FOLKS WHO MIGHT DO THAT? SO I KNOW WHAT THE, UH CURRENT FACILITY THAT I OWN AND OPERATE 14% OF PEOPLE DON'T COMPLETE A SECOND LEVEL OF CARE OR THEIR ORIGINAL LEVEL OF CARE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE APPROACH STAFF AND SAY, HEY, I'M DONE WITH TREATMENT, OR I THINK I'M FINISHED AT THIS PORTION OF THE TREATMENT PROCESS. I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT PORTION OR HEY, I WANT TO LEAVE EARLY AND GO BACK HOME. OKAY UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THEM.

THANK YOU. MISTAKE. LOOKS GREAT. SO, UM. GENERALLY WE WOULD HAVE TURNED TO THE PUBLIC, BUT I THINK, UH, THE BOARD CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS IN THE INTERIM. UM OKAY. UH I'D LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK TO PERSONNEL. UM YOU MENTIONED THE CHEF. BUT HOW ABOUT SUPPORT STAFF OF PEOPLE CLEANING THE ROOMS, CLEANING UP SERVING FOOD CLEANING UP AFTER THE FOOD DOING THE DISHES? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO WE WILL HAVE A CLEANING SERVICE THAT COMES TWICE A WEEK TO CLEAN THE FACILITY FOR THE ACTUAL DINNERS AND FOOD BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEXT WILL HELP OUT WITH THAT AS WELL , WHO WILL HELP OUT THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEXT? WELL, OKAY. HEALTH TECHNICIANS. WHAT ABOUT CLEAN? SO YOU'RE PROVIDING THREE MEALS A DAY? AND UM HOW ABOUT CLEANING UP THE DISHES AND THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEXT DO THAT, NOT THEY JUST CLEAN UP. IF SOMETHING IS LYING AROUND, IT'S REALLY THE CHEF'S JOB RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE FOOD , PREP THE FOOD AND CLEAN THE KITCHEN AND CLEAN THE DINING AREA. UH WHAT DO THEY SERVE THE FOOD BUFFET STYLE OR BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT KIND OF OTHER SUPPORT STAFF NEEDS TO BE THERE. YOU SAID.

THERE'S A CLEANING SERVICE, SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING TWICE A WEEK? SURE I HAVEN'T HIRED THE CLEANING SERVICE YET. BUT I DO KNOW WE WILL HAVE A CONTRACT CLEANING SERVICE. THE FOOD SHE WANTS TO KNOW. IS THE CHEF ON HIS OR HER OWN. DO IT COOKING, PREPARING SERVING,

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SO DURING THE DETOX PROCESS, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ANY VISITORS ON SITE 57 DAYS. UM THERE THEREFORE THE DETOX PORTION WHEN THEY'RE IN THE INPATIENT PORTION . THEY'RE ALLOWED ONE VISIT FROM ACCOUNT APPROVED BY A COUNSELOR. ASK THE SAID, TO TAKE AWAY THE CELL PHONE ON WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO CALL FAMILY IF THEY EVER WANTED TO, OR THEY ARE WE DO ALLOW SUPERVISED CALLS IN THE TECH OFFICE, SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CALL A FAMILY MEMBER OR LOVED ONE HAS TO BE A PRE APPROVED LIST, AND IT'S THEIR EMERGENCY CONTACT LIST, SO IT HAS TO BE AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR A LOVED ONE. ALSO REMEMBER LAST TIME THERE WAS THIS OTHER SECOND LITTLE HOUSE THAT AND THAT WAS USED AS A MEETING AREA FOR FAMILY MEMBERS. I SUPPOSE THAT'S NOT THE SAME PURPOSE ANYMORE. IT SHOWS IT IN YOUR DIAGRAMS AS CLINICAL OFFICES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PATIENTS WOULD GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS OR NO, NO, NO, NO CLINICAL SERVICES WILL BE DONE AT THAT BUILDING. I'M SURE THE BOARD HAS PLENTY OF PLENTY OF QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THEY'RE MORE MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO RUN . THIS IS TO ACTUALLY ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO US THEIR QUESTIONS FIRST. AND THEN BASED ON THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS, THEN WE'LL TAKE CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS AND THEY'RE QUITE YES. VERY VERY GOOD. UH SO I IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD , I JUST ASKED TO RESTRAIN THE QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A DIRECT QUESTION, BASED ON A QUESTION THAT THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS HAD ASKED, SO I I'D LIKE TO SHIFT TO THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS. UH FOR THIS PERIOD, AND, UM SO I FOR ONE, I THINK YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENT WITH WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND I AM GLAD TO SEE EVERYONE OUT HERE. BECAUSE OF THE PRACTICAL NATURE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE. UH I AM GOING TO IMPOSE A FIVE MINUTE LIMIT ON ANY ANY INDIVIDUALS. QUESTIONS UM, FOR NOW, AND BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU WANT TO THE, UM TO THE TO THE WITNESS. THERE WILL BE A PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO STATE YOUR OPINION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE HERE OR NOT, WE YOU WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO VOICE THAT IN AN OPEN FORUM HERE, PROBABLY OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT THIS IS A DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR THE OPERATIONS THAT THAT THE GENTLEMAN CAN ANSWER. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THE ONLY WAY I'LL STOP. ANY COMMENTS IS IF THEY THANK YOU. THANK YOU IS IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE IRRELEVANT QUESTIONS OR IMMATERIAL QUESTIONS OR OR IF THEY'RE UNDULY REPETITIVE, SO I , YOU KNOW YOU CAN COME UP AND SAY THAT YOU, UM JUST IF THERE IF THERE IS A REPETITIVE NATURE, I WILL STOP STUFF THAT JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING OUT HERE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE OUR FIRST. UH QUESTION. YOU CAN

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PLEASE ALLOW HIM TO YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET ME TO ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN AND THEN YOU CAN ANSWER IT. DEFIED. THAT WITH REGARD TO THE DAY TO DAY OPERATION OF THE WOODMONT FACILITY, IT WOULD HAVE THE SAME LICENSING THAT CRAWFORD HOUSE HAD CORRECT. SO I SAID THE CRAWFORD HOUSE HAD THE RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER LICENSE. UNDER THAT LICENSE.

THERE'S DIFFERENT SERVICES YOU CAN PROVIDE. SO THEY PROVIDED HALFWAY HOUSE SERVICES. WE WILL PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL DETOX AND RESIDENTIAL INPATIENT SERVICES. OKAY. NOW, UM. WHAT WHAT? UM NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE RELATES TO THE STANDARDS FOR LICENSURE OF RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS. REPEAT THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME. SURE WHAT IS THE NEW JERSEY REPEATS? NOT I'M NOT TAGGING YOUR TIME ON THE REPEAT. PORTION OF THE NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. WHAT SECTION RELATES TO THE STANDARDS FOR LICENSURE OF THE RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS TREATMENT FACILITY. REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION. CAN I REPHRASE? REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION.

PROVISIONS OF THE NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE GOVERNS THE LICENSING OF FILL IN THE BLANK.

TEST CLIENT. RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT SERVICES THAT IS THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. SORRY SECTION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE N. J A. C. GOVERNS THE LICENSING. IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU SAY YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW I DO NOT KNOW, NOT KNOW CERTAIN, UM, I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME. THE NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. SECTION 10 COLON 1 61 A. OKAY UM , THAT RELATES TO THE STANDARDS FOR LICENSURE, RESIDENTIAL SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS, TREATMENT FACILITIES. I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF IT.

CORRECT I DO NOT KNOW EVERY PAGE OF THAT. YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCES, YOU WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCES IN THE CRITERIA AND THEN WHAT'S REQUIRED UNDERNEATH THE LICENSING BOARD FOR A DETOX RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. CORRECT? YES. SO UM, KNOWLEDGE. I KNOW SOME DIFFERENCES. YES PRINCESS, OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE? FOR A RESIDENTIAL DETOX INPATIENT FACILITY. DO NOT HAVE THAT MEMORIZED. WE DO UTILIZE A CONSULTANT WHO IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE REGULATIONS. OKAY BUT YOU TESTIFIED THAT THEY WERE SIMILAR. CORRECT OKAY, SO, UM NOW. YOU WOULD AGREE THAT ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN CRITERIA BETWEEN A HALFWAY HOUSE AND RESIDENTIAL REHAB FACILITY IS THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW TO BE PRESENT, CORRECT, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU JUST TESTIFIED THAT THERE WOULD ONLY NEED TO BE 4 TO 6 PEOPLE. PRESIDENT UP TO 10 DURING THE DAY. CORRECT 4 TO 6 AT NIGHTTIME DURING THE DAYTIME 10, OKAY AND THE 10. UM WOULD INCLUDE WHAT ARE THEY A MEDICAL DIRECTOR. NURSE. UH THERE.

THERAPIST. BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TEXT. OKAY AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NURSE, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE 24 7 NURSE, UM BEING THERE. CORRECT, CORRECT, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT NURSES TO HAVE A 24 7 PRESENCE, CORRECT THAT SOME NURSES WORK 2 12 HOUR SHIFTS. OKAY, SO THEN THERE WILL BE TWO DURING THE DAY. BETWEEN THE DAY AND THE NIGHT, THE NURSE . HIS TESTIMONY WAS AT ANY ONE TIME. ONE TIME, OKAY? AND YOU

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YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE MINISTRY OF THE FACILITY CAN BE THE CLINICAL DIRECTOR OR MEDICAL DIRECTOR? YES THEY CAN HOLD MULTIPLE POSITIONS AT THE FACILITY. ALSO NOT RUNNING THE CLOCK WHILE YOU'RE RUNNING LOOKING THROUGH YOUR NOTES. THANK YOU APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT ABOUT THE COUNSELORS? HOW MANY DO YOU NEED FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELING AS COMPARED TO WHAT IS NEEDED IN ACROSS IN A HALFWAY HOUSE. SO YOU NEED ONE COUNSELOR PER EIGHT PATIENTS. OKAY AND HOW MANY DO THEY NEED FOR A HALFWAY HOUSE? NOT SURE OF THE NUMBER. WELL. WOULD YOU? UM SO ARE YOU CONSIDERED BOTH A SHORT? ARE YOU CONSIDERED A SHORT TERM RESIDENTIAL FACILITY? YES. OKAY SO SHORT TERM RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES, AS YOU JUST SAID, HAD IT A MINIMUM ONE COUNSELOR FOR EIGHT OR FEWER CLIENTS, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE 22 BEDS SO YOU WOULD NEED 2.5 COUNSELORS. THREE THREE. SO THAT'S THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO BE THERE PLEASANT NURSE PLUS SO FAR THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, SO YOU'RE UP TO FIVE PLUS TWO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, SO YOU'RE UP TO SEVEN CRAWFORD HOUSE THEY CAN HAVE THEY NEEDED ONE COUNCILOR FOR 15 CORRECT. SURE ABOUT THE REGULATIONS WERE FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING FROM THE NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE I CAN GIVE YOU JOHN A COPY OF THE MINISTRY OF CODE. YOU SUBMIT THAT TO ME AND THE APPLICANTS, ATTORNEY I ASSUME THIS IS TITLE. 10 COLON, 1 61, OR IS IT MORE THAN THAT? NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. SO YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COUNSELING NUMBERS BETWEEN A HALFWAY HOUSE VERSUS AN INPATIENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. CORRECT I KNEW THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE. I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT NUMBER OKAY? YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A DIRECTOR OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELING. CORRECT CORRECT, SO THAT CAN BE YOUR CLINICAL DIRECTOR AS WELL OR MEDICAL DIRECTOR AS WELL. MANY FACILITIES THAT ADMINISTRATORS EITHER THEIR CLINICAL DIRECTOR OR MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND THE DIRECTOR OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE IS THEIR CLINICAL DIRECTOR OR MEDICAL DIRECTOR. DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR HAD TO BE EITHER AN M, D OR D O. FOR OUR FACILITIES, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT HAS TO BE AN M D IN THE STATE REQUIRES THEM TO BE AN MD. FROM MY KNOWLEDGE. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR CAN COVER. HE CAN BE THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR, THE MINISTRATIONS OF THE FACILITY AND THE HEAD OF SUBSTANCE COUNSELING. CORRECT. NOT ALL THE POSITIONS NO. CAN'T BE ALL POSITIONS CAN BE AN ADMINISTRATOR, AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE COULD HOLD THE DIRECTOR OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELING, WHICH CAN BE YOUR CLINICAL DIRECTOR. OKAY SO THAT'S ANOTHER

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THE MAJORITY OF THE DAY WILL BE ATTENDING GROUP THERAPY AND COUNSELING SERVICES. I KNOW WE WILL REQUIRE OUR FACILITY WILL BE OVER WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES FOR COUNSELING AND THERAPEUTIC SERVICES. MANY HOURS OF COUNSELING EACH CLIENT. THEY DON'T SAY BY THE WAY RESIDENT THEY CALL THEM CLIENTS WITH EACH CLIENT WILL. HOW MUCH DO THEY NEED TO RECEIVE? EACH CLIENT PER WEEK. I'M NOT SURE WITHOUT READING OFF THE DOCUMENT. MS. MS CLIENT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW YOU'RE ABOUT 15 SECONDS OF CUMULATIVE QUESTIONS TAKEN ABOUT 12 MINUTES. PROVISION OF DIETARY SERVICES. YOU ALSO HAVE TO PUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO OBTAIN A DIETICIAN. CORRECT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A DIETICIAN ON CONTRACT. OKAY AND WAS IT YOUR TEST VOTING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE CHEF WHO HAS WHO IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO PROVIDE THREE MEALS, PLUS SNACKS AND DO ALL THE CLEANING UP AND ALL THE SERVING. THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE CHEF. CORRECT. OKAY, THAT THAT CONCLUDES THE FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. I'M CANDY WILLIS FROM KNICKERBOCKER DRIVE IN BELLE MEADE, NEW JERSEY. CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT NAME AGAIN? PLEASE? HANDY.

WILLIS. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE STATISTICS THAT YOU PROVIDED AT THE BEGINNING MICROPHONE WAS GOING TO STAND RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, ALL RIGHT. THE STATISTICS YOU PROVIDED AT THE BEGINNING YOU TALKED ABOUT THE UNITED STATES, THE 18 TO 25 YEAR OLDS THAT 24.9 OF THE PEOPLE ADMITTED THAT THEY NEEDED UM EVERYTHING. UM AND 26 OLDER 14.8. AND THEN YOU GAVE SOME NUMBERS FOR NEW JERSEY. MY QUESTION IS, UM WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVATE HEALTHCARE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SERVING? WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS? YES SO I KNOW THIS STATE FROM A KNOWLEDGE FROM WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT, DOES NOT BREAK DOWN THE CATEGORIES OF THE UNMET DEMAND OF PEOPLE PER WHAT TYPE OF HEALTH INSURANCE THEY HAVE FOR THE UNMET DEMAND BECAUSE IT SEEMS NOT SUPPOSED TO TESTIFY. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PEOPLE WITH PRIVATE HEALTHCARE INSURANCE WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE. SO DO YOU HAVE THE NUMBER? WOULD YOU AGREE? OKAY WOULD YOU HAVE NUMBERS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT PEOPLE WITH PRIVATE HEALTHCARE INSURANCE WHO ARE? UM WHITE COLLAR AND BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS PROFESSIONALS? WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING. UM, TREATMENT THAN INDIGENT PEOPLE. I THINK SO. YES I WOULD SAY BOTH. THERE IS A LARGE UNMET DEMAND IN BOTH CATEGORIES. YOU CAN FIND OUT THOSE NUMBERS SO THAT WE CAN KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH PRIVATE HEALTHCARE INSURANCE COULD SO LIKE, WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS DO NOT HAVE THOSE NUMBERS? UNFORTUNATELY, THE STATE DOESN'T BREAK DOWN THE UNMET DEMAND. OF PEOPLE SEEKING TREATMENT. WHAT LIKE PEOPLE THAT DID NOT RECEIVE TREATMENT? WHAT INSURANCE POLICY OR WHAT IF THEY'RE STATE FUNDED OR DON'T HAVE ANY INSURANCE AT ALL? IT'S NOT BROKEN DOWN BY THAT. THANK YOU. YES. MY NAME IS ROCHESTER AND FROM TINNY CORN DRIVE, AND, UH, MY ALLOWED TO GIVE MY PROFESSION TO PREDICATE THE QUESTIONS FOR COMMENTS. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR PROFESSION THESE ARE HIS QUESTIONS. OKAY, UH I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION THAT WAS JUST ASKED TO POINT THAT WAS JUST RAISED. I, UH. I AGREE WITH YOU VERY MUCH, NOT NOT THAT THAT MATTERS AND RESPECT THE GREAT UNMET NEED BUT WAS ALSO JUST LIKE THE LAST QUESTIONER VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCAL NEEDS TO ASK A QUESTION, SIR, WOULD YOU HAVE YOU INVESTIGATED ANY OF THE VOCAL REGIONAL SITES OTHER THAN CARRIER CLINIC? THAT TAKE PRIVATE INSURANCE IN SOMERSET COUNTY IN SOMERSET, MERCER BERGEN ANYWHERE IN THE STATE, SO

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MERCER COUNTY HAS THREE FACILITIES SO THEY HAVE TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT ARE LICENSED AS A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER. PENN MEDICINE. WE LEVEL UP AND PRINCETON DETOX AND THERE STILL IS. I THINK I DID TOUCH ON THE DATA OF VERY LARGE, UNMET DEMAND OF PEOPLE NEEDING TREATMENT.

WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU IF I TOLD YOU THAT I CALLED SIX PLACES AROUND THE STATE THAT ACCEPTED IN THE PLACES THAT ACCEPT THE PRIVATE INSURANCE TOLD ME THAT MUCH MORE OFTEN THAN THAT THEY DO. SAME DAY ADMISSIONS. AND THAT WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU IF I TOLD YOU WAS CARRIER CLINIC, PRINCETON DETOX AND X WINS, UH, BLAKE RECOVERY, WHICH IS PART OF CARRIER CLINIC, BUT A SEPARATE ENTITY. YES THERE ARE ON THE LEFT SIDE. I KNOW A LOT OF PLACES ON A WAITING LIST. WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THE PLACES ON THE WAITING LIST WITH THE STATE OUTLINE AND PRINCETON BEHAVIORAL BECAUSE THEY TAKE MEDICAID, MEDICARE, UNINSURED PATIENTS CHARITY CARE AND PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS TO MEET SOME OF THE UNDERINSURED. YOU GOT IT. ARE YOU ASKING QUESTIONS? ARISE YOU THIS STATEMENT THAT IT WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU AND THEN HIS STATEMENT. IT WOULDN'T. SO WOULD YOU WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED ON THE OPPOSITE END AS WELL IF THEY WERE ON A WAITING LIST AS WELL? BUT BUT IF IT'S TRUE THAT THERE'S NO WAITING LIST FOR THE INSURED PATIENT GOING INTO A VERY, VERY, VERY WELL STAFFED FACILITY. UM WOULD YOU AGREE THAT YOUR FACILITIES NOT ADDING ANY ADDED BENEFIT FOR THE LOCAL REGIONAL POPULATION? SO I DON'T HAVE DATA ON THE UNMET DEMAND OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE IN THAT CATEGORY. BUT BUT AM I MISTAKEN? OR DID YOU SAY YOU WERE ONLY GOING TO BE HAVING PATIENTS WHO HAD PRIVATE INSURANCE IS CORRECT. AND IF CARRIER CLINIC PRINCETON DETOX, UH NEXT WINS RARE AND VALLEY ADDICTION SERVICES IF THEY ALL INDICATE THAT THE WELL INSURED PATIENT GETS ADMITTED, UH, WITH LITTLE OR NO, WAIT. SOMETIMES WITHIN AN HOUR, ALMOST ALWAYS WITHIN A DAY. WOULD YOU THEN AGREE THAT THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR YOUR FACILITY IN THE VOCAL REGIONAL AREA? I WOULD NOT AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS NOT ON A WAITING LIST DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR A FACILITY IN THE AREA. I WOULD SAY THEY WOULDN'T BE TRUE . IF THEY'RE NOT INSURED. THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET INTO YOUR FACILITY. CORRECT. OKAY AND IF THEY ARE INSURED, THEY CAN INTO CARRIER. THEY CAN GET INTO THE BLAKE HOUSE AT CARRIER THEY CAN GET INTO PRINCETON DETOX, THEY CAN OFTEN GET INTO PRINCETON HOUSE AND RARITAN VALLEY ADDICTION SERVICES AS THEY CAN FIND PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR THEM VERY RAPIDLY , THEY SAY, AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU AGREE THAT THE BIG UNMET NEEDS IS ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY LIMITED TO UNDERINSURED.

UNINSURED MEDICARE, MEDICAID, CHARITY CARE AND PEOPLE REQUIRING SUPPLEMENTS OR SCHOLARSHIPS. I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT DATA IS BEING PULLED FROM UM, BECAUSE I YOU HAVEN'T YOU HAVEN'T SURVEY THE IS IT? IS IT TRUE THAT YOU HAVEN'T SURVEYED THE LOCAL SITES TO DETERMINE THE LOCAL NEED? SO I DID PULL DATA IN REGARDS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THURSDAY TO OUT THERE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE WITHIN SOMERSET AND MERCER COUNTY. JUST NOT HOW MANY SUBSTANCE ABUSE PEOPLE IN THE UNMET DEMAND CATEGORY HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE , OKAY AND FOLLOWING. FOLLOWING UP THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED BEFORE ME. I THINK THAT RAISES AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, GETTING BACK TO SOME OF THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN CRAWFORD HOUSE AND PRINCETON AND THE PROPOSED AND THE FACILITY YOU PROPOSED THEY DID. DO YOU RECALL OR DO YOU KNOW THAT AH! CRAWFORD HOUSE DID KNOW DETOXIFICATION DURING ITS ENTIRE 20 PLUS YEAR 30 PLUS YEAR. CORRECT OKAY. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE INCIDENTS OF SEIZURES IS AFTER ALCOHOL OR A

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OKAY, UH, AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY PUBLISHED DATA THAT INDICATES THAT THE PRIVATELY INSURED PATIENT UNDERGOES A WITHDRAWAL, PHYSIOLOGY OR BIOLOGY THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE TREATED IN A STATE OR FEDERAL FACILITY? BECAUSE THEY'RE UNINSURED. I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT. OKAY AND I ARE YOU AWARE OF, UH, STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT THE SELF REFERRED PATIENT FOR OPIATE WITHDRAWAL HAS A HIGHER UH, FREQUENCY OF LEAVING AGAINST MEDICAL ADVICE THAN PATIENTS WHO ARE NOT SELF REFERRED. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT CAN SUBMIT THAT TO THE I CAN SUBMIT THAT TO THE BOARD THAT WILL ASK THE APPLICANT ATTORNEY YOU ABSOLUTELY ARE ENTITLED ONCE IT GETS TO PUBLIC COMMENT TO PUT IN EVIDENCE. NOW IF YOU'RE OFFERING TO PUT IT IN AHEAD OF TIME, IF IT TOOK IF THE APPLICANT ATTORNEY WANTS TO SEE IT. I UNDERSTAND. SO YOU HAVE A CHOICE. HE CAN EITHER SUBMIT IT AHEAD OF TIME OR HE CAN. WE CAN ALL WAIT UNTIL YEAH. HE MAKES HIS SWORN PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT AHEAD OF TIME , THEN YOU TELL HIM OKAY. YOU CAN SUBMIT IT AHEAD OF TIME IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO SEE IT AHEAD OF TIME THAN SAY, NO, YOU'RE STICKING TO YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE IT. WAIT TILL HE MAKES COMMENTS. SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO IN PROPORTION? OKAY THANK YOU . THANK YOU. AND WHO WILL BE HANDLING MEDICAL WASTE THAT THE NEW PROPOSED FACILITY? HOW OFTEN WILL THEY BECOMING SO WE WILL HAVE AN OUTSIDE COMPANY THAT HANDLES THAT ONCE A WEEK AND IN DUE IN THE PLANNING STAGES, HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU PROJECTED WITH 12 PEOPLE UNDERGOING ACUTE DETOX, OPIATE BENZO THERE HIS OPINION, ALCOHOL, COCAINE, WHATEVER. HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU PROJECTED AMBULANCES, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, ACUTE CARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR SECURITY , BEHAVIORAL ISSUES WHO RELATED TO THE EXTREME NG SOCIETY, STRESS AGITATION AND CRAVING THAT GOES ON DURING AH DRUG SUBSTANCE, MEDICALLY SUPERVISED SUBSTANCE WITHDRAWAL. YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION WE FULLY BUT I WAS GOING TO ALLOW YOU, BUT THAT WAS A VERY LONG QUESTION. AND YOU RAN THROUGH THE TIME. SO LET HIM MAKE HIM ASK. YEAH, HE CAN ANSWER. YES WE DID NOT DO A PLAN. I KNOW. UM FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, WE ARE MUCH MORE SECURE THAN WHAT THE CRAWFORD HOUSE WAS. AND WE WENT THROUGH TESTIMONY ON THE TYPE OF SECURITY WHERE WE WILL BE PROVIDING SO IT IS VERY SUPERVISED AND MONITORED ENVIRONMENT. THAT DIDN'T ADDRESS THE MEDICAL NEEDS DURING THE ACUTE ATTACKS, DRUG WITHDRAWAL.

JUST YOU KNOW, BEING FAIR TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. CAN WE? CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT QUESTIONNAIRE? THAT WAS THE LAST QUESTION. THANK YOU, SIR.

I THINK HE INJURED GREENBERG 40 FIELD, CHRIS COLEMAN. THE PHONE UP AND DO IT AGAIN. ANDREW GREENBERG, 40 FIELDCREST, UM FIRST QUESTION IS ARE THERE GOING TO BE? RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FACILITIES AT THE . I CENTER FOR YOUR FOR YOUR CLIENTS LIKE OUTSIDE RECORD RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? NO. MM. ARE YOU AWARE THAT. AND THE NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 10 TO 16 1, A 13 1 PROVISION OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND STATES DIVERSIFIED PROGRAM WITH WON'T YOU GOTTA SLOW DOWN. OKAY, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE ON TIME, BUT WE DON'T. WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND OR HEAR WHAT QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING. THAT'S FAIR. UM I'M ENQUIRING REGARDING RECREATIONAL TO DO YOUR QUESTION, BUT JUST DO IT SLOWER.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REQUIRES A PROGRAM OF INDOOR AND OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES TO ALLOW CLIENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN AN INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP BASIS , AND PHYSICAL, SOCIAL, INTELLECTUAL, RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL ACTIVITIES. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT I KNOW FACILITIES CAN OFFER INDOOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

LET HIM FINISH. LET HIM FINISH APOLOGIZE. I I'M NOT NOT AWARE THIS IS BETWEEN YOU AND ME. IF

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CORRECT YET THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WE HEARD LAST TIME WAS ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A TRANSITION OF A LICENSE FOR VARIOUS SIMILAR ENVIRONMENT. CORRECT YET ONE IS ACTIVE TREATMENT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING AN ACUTE MEDICAL ISSUE WITH DETOXIFICATION AND THE OTHER ONE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THAT, AND WE'RE REALLY THERE FOR COUNSELING. SO. I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I SEE DIRECT ANALOGY THERE. IS THAT IN FORM OF QUESTION? WHAT'S THE QUESTION? SO THE QUICK NOW THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY ANALOGOUS? THE TWO FACILITIES. ARE THEY REALLY ANALOGOUS YET? SO I KNOW THEY FUNDER FALL UNDER THE SAME LICENSE CATEGORY AS A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER. I WOULD SAY OR FACILITY IS SAFER IN THE SENSE FOR THE MEDICATION ON SITE AS THE INDIVIDUALS THAT CRAWFORD HOUSE WHERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN MEDICATION. THESE WILL BE ADMINISTERED BY A PROFESSIONAL, AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S MORE MEDICAL STAFF ON SITE. CREATING A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS AND NOT HAVING AS MUCH FREEDOM ON SITE. UM ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU AWARE THAT WHEN CORPORATE HOUSE CAME TO BE MUCH OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING CORPORATE. HOW'S THAT EXISTS NOW DID NOT EXIST THEN. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. I KNOW THEY DID CLOSE DOWN AND 2020 AND OPERATED THERE FOR 40 YEARS. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS YOUR TIME. SO JUST AS A STATUS BUT YOU CAN COME UP WE THE INTENTION OF THE BOARD IS TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING, UM AT 10 O'CLOCK AS IT WAS SPECIFIED ON THE INITIAL READING OF THE AGENDA, SO JUST FOR PEOPLE'S AWARENESS, ALRIGHT, ATTENTION IS TO HOLD TO THAT. YOU DON'T WANT ME RESPONDING TO YOU DON'T REALLY WANT ME RESPONDING TO THE INDIVIDUAL WITNESSES. WHAT I'M PREPARED TO DO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU. MR CHAIRMAN IS ONCE ALL OF THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED THEIR

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FOR THE RECORD. I'M YOUR AND ST JUST FOR ME. CAN YOU SPELL FIRST AND LAST NAME? WHY A T I N THE L V, I. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, CLINICAL DIRECTOR MEDICAL DIRECTOR AND PHARMACISTS KIND OF ALL ROLLED INTO ONE SINGLE ROLL. UM AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO IS REALLY THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE COMPLIANCE OF THIS FACILITY? THE ADMINISTRATOR. SO IS THAT THE FOURTH PERSON LEADING INTO THE SAME ROLE OR THE ADMINISTRATOR IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN A TRAITOR CAN BE THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR. IT CAN BE THE CLINICAL DIRECTOR, BUT THEY HAVE ULTIMATE OVERSIGHT. OVER THE FACILITY. I WOULD SAY THE REAL PERSON OR THE REAL AUTHORITY THAT THAT THAT DOES HAVE COMPLIANCE OVER OUR FACILITY IS THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AT THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. OKAY WILL THIS PERSON BE AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY AS WELL AS DURING THE NIGHT? YES I HAVE TO BE ON CALL AND AVAILABLE 24 7 , BUT NOT AT THE FACILITY. THEY ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ON A CALL BASIS, OKAY? UM IN AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR SHARING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. IT WILL BE COMING VERY HANDY IN THE FUTURE. BUT WHAT ARE THE TOP FIVE DRUGS THAT YOUR FACILITY WILL BE TREATING FOR? SO ALCOHOL, UM THEN JOE. OPIATES COCAINE AND MARIJUANA. THANK YOU. SO IN TERMS OF THE TWO CATEGORIES THAT YOU MENTIONED OF THE PHASE TREATMENT, DETOX AND INPATIENT OTHER TOP TWO CATEGORIES THAT YOU MENTIONED RIGHT OF DETOX IS USUALLY ABOUT FIVE DAYS UP TO 10 DAYS AND THE PATIENT, UM, USUALLY CAN BE A LITTLE LONGER. CAN YOU EXPLAIN? UM YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR RISKY BEHAVIOR YOUR PATIENTS CAN EXHIBIT DURING THE DETOX PHASE. SO I WILL SAY THEY ARE ON MEDICATION TO EASE THE PROCESS. I WOULD ALSO SAY THERE'S NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL FOR PEOPLE IN TREATMENT. MORE MOST PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO RELAPSE OUTSIDE OF TREATMENT ONCE THEY LEAVE TREATMENT THAN THEY ARE IN TREATMENT. ALSO I WOULD SAY WITH THE PREVIOUS USE TO CRAWFORD HOUSE, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO GO INTO THE COMMUNITY GET JOBS. I WOULD SAY THERE'S A LOT GREATER OF A CHANCE FOR THEM TO ENGAGE IN RISKY BEHAVIOR WHILE THEY'RE IN THAT PORTION OF TREATMENT, AND THEY WOULD BE IN A DETOX OR INPATIENT PORTION. IN IN TERMS OF ALL THE STAFF THAT YOU MENTIONED. WILL YOU BE HAVING ANY PART TIME, YOU KNOW STAFF THAT WOULD COME INTO THE FACILITY THAT WOULD YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO UNDERGO ANY BACKGROUND CHECKS.

CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PART TIME EMPLOYEE TO COME IN? UH SO PER DIEM THERAPISTS. MAYBE WE MIGHT HAVE ON SITE THE PER PER DIEM MEDICAL DIRECTOR. MAYBE SOMEONE A NURSE THAT WORKS PER DIEM FOR OUR FACILITY. THOSE WOULD BE COMMON EXAMPLES. AND HOW WOULD YOU CHECK FOR ANY KIND OF INFILTRATION? ARE YOU KNOW SOMEONE CARRYING AND THINGS INTO YOUR FACILITY? ESPECIALLY AROUND ? YOU KNOW THE STUFF THAT IS PART TIME OR CONTRACT ID. WHAT WOULD BE THOSE SECURITY CHECKS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE? WHAT? YOU HAVE BACK DOWNS? WHAT DO YOU HAVE AN ARMED SECURITY GUARD WHO WILL DO IT? CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN THE TEAM ABOUT THAT PLACE? PERSON DOES HAVE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK HAS TO GET FINGERPRINTED. ALSO THE STATE DOES CHECK THE LICENSES OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT IS LICENSED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AN UPSTANDING EMPLOYEE. UM SO I REALLY DON'T SEE THAT BEING HE ASKED. WILL THERE BE ANYTHING IN PLACE WHEN SOMEONE WHEN A STAFF MEMBER COMES IN? ARE THEY CHECKED TO SEE HE HAS ARE THEY CHECKED TO SEE IF THEY'RE BRINGING ANY CONTRABAND? HE DIDN'T USE THE WORD CONTRABAND.

THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT INTO THE FACILITY. THAT ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU TRIED TO ASK. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JOHN. JUST LIKE, UH, I WOULD SAY A DOCTOR'S OFFICE. INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE CHECKED FOR CONTRABAND ON THEIR WAY IN. THIS ISN'T A PRISON SO THE ANSWER IS YOU DON'T CHECK CORRECT. OKAY? UM. YOU DID MENTION THAT YOU DO NOT REALLY HAVE A LOT OF INSIGHT INTO THE LOADING AND LOADING AND THAT THAT PHASE OF YOUR PLANNING IS STILL OPEN. UM BUT YOU KNOW, SUNSET IS A ONE LANE ROAD. AND IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH OF COMMERCIAL MOVEMENT, WILL THAT CAUSE ANY TRAFFIC? YOU KNOW, BACK IN ISSUES IN THAT AREA. HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH THAT KIND OF AN APPROVAL PROCESS? AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO I'M NOT A TRAFFIC PROFESSIONAL,

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UM WHY CAN'T THEY JUST GO TO THE CARRIER CLINIC THAT IS ALREADY THERE WHICH HAS SPACE AVAILABLE? WHY WOULD THEY? YOU KNOW, NEED TO FILTER THROUGH YOU MENTIONED . WE ARE STRICTLY PRIVATE INSURANCE FACILITY. WE CATER TO THE WORKING CLASS PROFESSIONALS , SO THESE INDIVIDUALS DO EXPECT A CERTAIN ENVIRONMENT WHEN THEY'RE GETTING TREATMENT. A LOT OF TIMES A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO A MEDICATED OR STATE FUNDED PLACE JUST LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE WOULD SEE THEIR PRIVATE INSURANCE DOCTOR AND NOT A STATE FUNDED DOCTOR. OKAY SO YOU WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S AN OPTION. IT'S NOT A SHORTAGE OF A FACILITY. I WOULD SAY THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF TREATMENT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, GIVEN THE NUMBERS OF THE UNMET DEMAND. UM FINALLY, YOU DID SAY THAT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE NOT LEAVE THE FACILITY. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY LIKE FAIRLY LIKE ME. JUST CHANGE THAT, UM THE FACILITY. DOES IT INCLUDE JUST THE BUILDING OR THE ENTIRE TRACK OF LAND? ARE THEY ALLOWED TO MOVE AROUND THE PROPERTY ITSELF OR DO THEY HAVE TO BE CONFINED TO THEIR ROOMS AND THE BUILDING TO THE BUILDING EXCEPT FOR SMOKE BREAKS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I GUESS THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM IS GOING FIRST. NOW, GO AHEAD. YOU GOT THE LAPTOP OUT. COME ON. I PAUL. CALL ALL OF YOU. O L I U 29 DRIVE. UM I THINK THAT'S LOT 55 THAT. I JUST LEARNED THAT BUTTS UP TO CRAWFORD HOUSE. I AM NOT A LAWYER. SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M GOING ABOUT THIS ALL THE WRONG WAY, BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU'RE THE TOP FIVE SUBSTANCES THAT YOU WILL BE. DEALING WITH COCAINE. BENZO EXCUSE ME, ALCOHOL, BENZO, COCAINE, MARIJUANA AND OPIATES, OKAY? UM DO YOU DO YOU OWN MANAGE ANOTHER FACILITY LIKE THIS OWN ANOTHER TREATMENT CENTER. IT IS AN OUTPATIENT FACILITY. SO NOBODY STAYS THERE. CORRECT. UM. THIS MIGHT BE PART OF YOUR ALL THE PACKAGE THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH. IS THERE A PLAN FOR ANYTHING THAT REMOTELY LOOKS LIKE A FENCE OR SOME TYPE? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING ANYONE TO LEAVE. I KNOW CARRIER CLINIC, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID. JUST PUT UP A FENCE, SO WE DON'T HAVE PLANS. FOR THAT. I WOULD SAY CARRIER CLINIC DOES TREAT HIGH ACUITY, PSYCHIATRIC CASES THEY DO TAKE PEOPLE ON MEDICAID OR MEDICARE, AND THEY DO TAKE MEDICAL COMPLEX CASES AS WELL. UM WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. YOU YOU YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU ONLY ACCEPT LOW RISK PATIENTS. THERE IS THERE IF TOMORROW FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU DECIDED AS A FACILITY THAT YOU WANTED TO GO INTO MEDIUM RISK PATIENTS OR HIGH RISK PATIENTS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO OR DOES THAT CHANGE? YOUR ENTIRE BUSINESS AND THEN APPLICATIONS AND YOU HAVE TO COME BACK HERE. SO I WILL SAY THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE PUTTING THEIR LICENSE ON THE LINE THEY SUBMITTED TO THE STATE. THEY DO NOT WANT TO TAKE HIGH RISK PATIENTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT WOULD MARK TREATMENT CENTER WILL NOT HAVE A LICENSE TO TREAT THEM FOR SO IF THEY HAVE MEDICAL COMPLICATIONS, THEY WON'T WANT TO TAKE A PATIENT THAT HAS A HIGH RISK. MEDICAL COMPLICATIONS. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T WANT TO RISK THEIR LICENSE. OKAY? THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. IT'S JUST SOME QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS. I KNOW THAT ONE RIGHT THERE AS TO WHAT WOULD BE DOWN TO TESTIFY TO THIS BOARD. IF HE DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER. HE'S GOT TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF HE STARTS ANSWERING THE QUESTION. HE'S ANSWERED IT ONCE YOU DO YOU REBUTTAL. HE CAN CALL HIM. YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO THE LAWYERS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS. ONLY THE WITNESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS. HOW ABOUT THE GUY WITH THE LAPTOP? I CAN CASLER TELL 1 77 KILLED. HE RODE BELLE MEADE. LAST NAME AGAIN.

KESLER TUB A S S L E R DASH TA. YOU BE 1 77 KILLED THE ROAD. THANKS. APPRECIATE THE TIME SO.

SO DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS FROM MONTGOMERY TOWNSHIP REQUIRED INPATIENT DETOX IN 2021? YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT GETTING THE

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ABSOLUTELY YES. DID YOU STATE LEVEL DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENT OF, UM PEOPLE FROM SOMERSET COUNTY ARE TREATED IN WITHIN THE COUNTY ITSELF. RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT. I THINK IT'S A VERY ALREADY 38% ARE YOU AWARE THAT IT'S 38 HELP YOU OUT? DID YOU KNOW THAT WAS 30 TO PUT THEM INTO TERMS OF WHAT'S THAT GAME SHOW WHERE YOU HAD TO ASK THE QUESTION? JEOPARDY! PRETEND YOU'RE ANDRZEJ DUDA GAME. OKAY? AH! YOU SAID THAT ABOUT 75 TO 80% OF 85% OF PEOPLE IN GENERAL WHO SOUGHT DETOX WE'RE NOT ABLE TO RECEIVE IT COULDN'T BE ADMITTED DID NOT LIKE THAT THAT I SAID THE REPORTED NUMBER FROM THE DATA RIGHT AROUND. I THINK IT WAS 76. UM AND THEN 80% 80 SOMETHING PERCENT. THAT AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REPORTED THREE QUARTERS ISH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE HOUSEHOLD SURVEY OF PEOPLE ADMITTING THAT THEY NEEDED TREATMENT. AT SOME POINT , I WOULD SAY THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS MUCH HIGHER, BUT THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY REPORTING IT COULD BE.

HOW DOES THAT BREAK OUT IN TERMS OF IN PATIENT DETOX LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE VERSUS OUTPATIENT ? BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ADMISSION NUMBERS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU CAN PLEASE CORRECT ME. IF I'M WRONG THAT COVER BOTH. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT OKAY, SO YOU KNOW HOW THAT BREAKS OUT FOR INPATIENT VERSUS OUTPATIENT FROM A STATEWIDE LEVEL STATEWIDE OR COMFORT, DON'T BUT I KNOW IT'S ON THE PAPER AS WELL THAT I COULD READ. OKAY I'M NOT SURE IT'S THERE.

BUT I'D LOVE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING IF IT'S YOU KNOW, 5.

IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF IT WAS 5% FREE PLACES ON THAT SHEET OF PAPER, AND IT'S A LARGER PERCENT, OKAY? UM NEXT. DO YOU, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU EXPECT IN THE COURSE OF THE YEAR WILL GO THROUGH YOUR FACILITY. IN OTHER WORDS, 22 BEDS 14 OR 12 AND 10 OR SOMETHING. OVERALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 100 PEOPLE GOING THROUGH OR DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT? I MEAN, YOU MUST HAVE HAD A BUSINESS PLAN TO KNOW THAT RIGHT? CORRECT SO I DON'T HAVE THE DATA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THE FACILITY. I KNOW WE WILL BE TREATING 22 RESIDENTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 20 TO GUESS THE NUMBER. WHAT IF I SAID IS 100 TOO HIGH IS 100 TO LOW? DON'T KNOW. OKAY WELL, HERE'S HERE'S MY QUESTION IF 14% LEAVE EARLY, WHICH IS I THINK THE NUMBER YOU SAID BASED ON YOUR OUTPATIENT OR IS THAT BASED ON AN IMPATIENT BASED ON MY OUT PATIENT FACILITY THAT THE NUMBER WOULD BE HIGHER OR LOWER IN THIS FACILITY? I DON'T LIKE GOING OFF OF THINGS.

I THINK I LIKE TO GO OFF DATA AND I DON'T HAVE THAT. SO I JUST WAS WONDERING, UM WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUT, OF COURSE, IS AND CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK WOULD CHOOSE TO LEAVE EARLY FROM THIS FACILITY EACH YEAR, AND I GUESS WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT? UM WHAT IS YOUR DRILL? HMM YOU MUST HAVE A DRILL LIKE AN EMERGENCY PLAN FOR, UM, EMERGENCY SEIZURES , FIGHTS, UM, ASSAULT. WHATEVER WHAT IS THAT PLAN? SO I WOULD SAY THE MEDICAL STAFF PUTS THAT IN PLACE, NOT MYSELF. THE INDIVIDUALS ON SITE PROVIDING THE MEDICAL CARE. BUT DO YOU THINK THAT HAVING SIX PEOPLE AT NIGHT? IS ENOUGH TO HANDLE ANY EMERGENCY DO MOST RESIDENTS ARE SLEEPING AT NIGHT. OKAY BUT AREN'T THESE PATIENTS ARE THESE CLIENTS RESIDENTS? WHATEVER. THEY TEND TO BE AGITATED, DRUG SEEKING WHEN THEY'RE WITHDRAWING , HAVING MEDICAL ISSUES HAVING GASTROINTESTINAL ISSUES, THE WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SO MANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE. PLEASE CORRECT ME. IS IT TRUE THAT MANY OF THEM WOULD BE AWAKE DURING THE NIGHT AND WANDERING THE HALLS AND SO FORTH, PEOPLE WILL NOT BE

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YOU SAID THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE CARS, SO I'M WONDERING IF SOMEONE LEAVES WITHOUT PERMISSION WITHOUT HAVING A RIDE AND SO FORTH. DOES THAT MEAN THEY'LL BE ON FOOT? I DON'T. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I DON'T REALLY SEE SOMEONE JUST WALKING OFF SITE THAT'S THEIR ON THEIR FREE WILL WITHOUT A PHONE OR WALLET OR CREDIT CARD, AND THEY'RE SUPERVISED THE WHOLE TIME. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO JUST WALK OFF THE PROPERTY AND RUN THROUGH SKILLMAN TOWNSHIP WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO BACK HOME. WELL I THINK, IS IT? ISN'T IT TRUE THAT PEOPLE IN A STATE OF WITHDRAWAL OR DETOXIFICATION FREQUENTLY OR NOT THINKING LOGICALLY? I WOULD SAY THESE INDIVIDUALS COME TO US BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK PEOPLE TRYING TO GET WELL AND THEY WANT TO COME OFF THE SUBSTANCES. THEY'RE THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL TRUE, BUT ISN'T IT TRUE THAT DURING THE STATE OF WITHDRAWAL THAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN, AND THEIR MENTAL OUTLOOK AND THINKING PATTERN CAN CHANGE ISN'T THAT TRUE WOULD SAY THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE AN EPISODE LIKE THAT, AND THEY'RE ACTIVE ADDICTION. WHICH FROM THE DATA, I SAID THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE ACTIVE SUBSTANCE YOU SORT OF, I WOULD SAY DURING THEIR ADDICTION, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY.

HAVE AN ISSUE THAN THEY ARE DURING THE DETOX INPATIENT PROCESS. DOES THAT MEAN IT'S A 2% RATE? IT'S A 10% RATED TO 20% RATE, I GUESS. MORE LIKELY IS THAN BEING AN OUTPATIENT. WE'RE GETTING A TREATMENT DOESN'T REALLY HELP US BECAUSE WE'RE BECAUSE SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. I DON'T HAVE THE DATA ON THAT. I WOULD SAY SOMEONE AT AN OUTPATIENT LEVEL OR WHERE THEY HAVE TO CONTINUE WORKING DAY. TODAY THEY HAVE MORE OUTSIDE STRESSORS AND TRIGGERS OFFERED HOUSES. A IS NOT A COMPARATOR AT THIS POINT, OKAY, SO THANK YOU. YES SO YOU DID ASK ABOUT OUR PATIENT FACILITIES IF IT WOULD BE MORE OR LESS. I WOULD SAY THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE MORE STRESSORS THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFE DURING THAT TIME OF TREATMENT, SO THERE'S LIKE I SAID MOST PEOPLE RELAPSE OUTSIDE OF TREES. NOT IN THE TREATMENT PROCESS. UNDERSTOOD. HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE JUST HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT, AND THE BOARD HAS ONE MINUTE LEFT. MONTGOMERY HAS CHANGED SINCE 19. 77. I DON'T KNOW. THE POPULATION OF THE TOWNSHIP IS TRIPLED SINCE THAT TIME. WOULD THAT SURPRISE YOU? NO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN UM. AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ACTUAL PROPERTIES OF BUT WITH PRIVATE RESIDENCES ABOUT THE CRAWFORD HOUSE SITE.

NOW I LOOKED AT A MAP. MAYBE 10, OKAY? IT'S ABOUT RIGHT IF YOU START OUT BY SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHY EVEN WHY EVEN GET I MEAN, YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU WANT, BUT ASKED ME, I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE I LOOKED AT THE MAP AFTER MAYBE 10 PROLONGING. I DO NOT KNOW. OKAY AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I'M GOING TO SNEAK INTO MY ONE MINUTE IS UM IF SOMEONE DOES GET OUT AND LEAVES THE FACILITY AND IS NOT NOTICED, OR NOT CHASED OR NOT APPREHENDED , SO TO SPEAK. UM, HOW FAR IS IT TO THE NEAREST SCHOOL? DO YOU KNOW? SO. FIRST I'M ALMOST OFFENDED THAT YOU'RE TREATING THESE PEOPLE LIKE CRIMINALS OR THEY'RE SICK PEOPLE TRYING TO GET WELL SO THEY'RE THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN ACCORD, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT COURT ORDERED. THEY'RE NOT CRIMINALS. THEY DON'T HAVE A VIOLENT HISTORY. YOU MIGHT BE INSULTED. BUT ANSWER HIS QUESTION, PLEASE. YES SO I FROM A MAP. I LOOKED AT 1.7 MILES, WHICH WOULD BE A 33 MINUTE WALK RIGHT? EXACTLY. AND THERE ARE AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE WITHIN TWO MILES OF CRAWFORD HOUSE ACTIVE DAY ON THE DAY. I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT 3000. AND DO YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE LEAVES CRAWFORD HOUSE? I'M SORRY WOULDN'T WANT. DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOCKDOWN ORDERED AT THE SCHOOLS AS THERE IS WITH CARRIER CLINIC WHEN SOMEONE IS LET'S OUT GETS OUT. I'M NOT. I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW.

THE CRAWFORD HOUSE OPERATED THERE 40 YEARS WITH THESE FACILITIES, SCHOOLS AROUND THE AREA, AND I WELL AGAIN. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH SO THAT THAT DOES CAN BRING US TO OUR STATED CONCLUSION FOR THIS EVENING. I DO THINK THAT

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THE MEETING STARTS AT SEVEN, AND IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THIS HEARING WILL RESUME. NOW IT'S SEVEN. SO WE CAN JUST SUSPEND HERE AND THEN? ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE WILL HAVE WILL BE ANOTHER MEETING THIS WEEK ON THURSDAY, JANUARY 26TH THAT WILL BE THE CELL TOWER OCCUPATION. UM CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? MOTION TO ADJOURN. THANKS, MR SINGH. ALL IN FAVOR.

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